Digital Social Hour - Kamala vs. Trump Rallies: The Truth About Attendance | Harry Sisson DSH #855
Episode Date: November 4, 2024Get ready for a deep dive into the truth about Kamala vs. Trump rallies with our latest episode on the Digital Social Hour! 🎥 Join Sean Kelly and guest Harry Sisson as they explore the real stories... behind rally attendance and the energy difference between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump's events. Don't miss out on their engaging debate, packed with valuable insights on the political climate and social media's role in shaping public opinion. Tune in now to discover which rally was truly packed and which saw attendees leaving early. 🤔 Join the conversation and hear firsthand about Harry's experiences at both rallies and his thoughts on the political landscape. This episode is filled with eye-opening discussions, from the impact of celebrity endorsements to the truth behind election rhetoric. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 #disseminationofinformation #grassrootsactivism #democrats #covid-19news #socialmediafreespeech CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:26 - Harris vs Trump Rally 01:50 - LeBron James Endorsement 02:16 - 4 Days Left 04:01 - Debunked Russian Video 05:09 - Censorship on Social Media 06:31 - DNC Payments 07:42 - TikTok Debates 11:04 - Trump's MSG Rally 14:48 - Obama Insights 16:53 - Weaponized Government Agencies 21:01 - Elon Musk Discussion 25:27 - Student Loan Forgiveness 28:50 - Federal vs State Power 31:32 - E. Jean Carroll Case 32:48 - Trump's Economic Policies 35:38 - Age Limit for Presidency 36:36 - Biden's Policies 39:17 - Trump Discussion 42:21 - Kamala Harris 43:37 - Hate Speech 45:50 - Going Live 47:14 - Why Support Biden 48:50 - Presidential Control of Gas Prices 51:18 - Border Crisis 58:19 - Illegal Immigrant Voting 59:43 - Legal Immigration 1:03:45 - Agreeing with Trump 1:04:16 - Is College a Scam? 1:06:43 - Charlie Kirk 1:07:22 - Ben Shapiro 1:08:57 - Where to Find Harry APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: Spencer@digitalsocialhour.com GUEST: Harry Sisson https://www.instagram.com/harryjsisson/ https://www.youtube.com/@harryjsisson LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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provides us, and so we have to be careful about that.
So that being said, are you a fan of some sort of censorship
on social media?
I think there has to be regulation.
Like, not to the point where you can't express
a political view.
If you're like, I'm supporting Donald Trump,
I think you should be able to say that.
If you're saying I'm supporting Trump because of X, Y, Z,
no problem.
But if you're saying that Haitians are eating dogs and cats,
I mean, there has to be some regulation on that.
All right, guys, Harry Sisson here today just went to a rally
yesterday, right?
I went to both Trump and Kamala Harris. Wow. It was good.
Which one was better?
I have to say the Kamala Harris. It was the Kamala Harris
rally. Like, the energy was really great. There was a lot
of joy, a lot of excitement. But the Trump rally I went to the
first people I started talking to, the first people
I started talking to recognized me.
And they were like, oh, you're a DNC shill.
You're a communist.
You want to indoctrinate our kids.
They were really in our face from the get-go.
But I loved the debate.
So it was fun.
It was just kind of intense at the beginning.
Did you go there to film content?
Yeah, we went there to do some in-person debates.
And I've got to be honest.
There were some people there that were Trump supporters who were good faith. They weren't. You know, they were there to do some in-person debates. Yeah. And I gotta be honest, there were some people there
that were Trump supporters who were like good faith.
They weren't, you know, they were trying to engage
in a good way and like actually have conversation.
But I'd say the majority of people we ran into,
they were not interested in like a cordial conversation.
Which rally had more people?
Oh, the Kamala Harris rally.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, the Kamala Harris rally was packed.
The Trump rally, I actually posted a video on TikTok
about he was still on stage and people were leaving.
Like a lot of people were leaving really early.
Wow.
And some of these people had red hat on.
Some people I think were just kind of maybe interested
or just attending the rally to see what was up.
Yeah.
But a lot of people were leaving early.
Damn, that's wild.
I thought Trump got more people, honestly.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know the specific numbers
when it comes to venue sizes that they were at just from my eye which
is obviously not like a reliable indicator but from my eye it seemed like
Did you see LeBron's video yesterday? I did. What did you think about it? I thought it was great
I'm glad that you know a lot of these these celebrities these people with huge
platforms are coming out and endorsing Kamala Harris I mean obviously I think
that's the right move for the country so it's I'm glad that people like Taylor Swift or LeBron
James and whatnot are coming out.
She's gotten some big ones lately.
Yeah, there have been a lot of big celebrities
in recent days.
I think that's probably deliberate.
I don't think the timing is a coincidence.
But yeah, it was a great video.
How are you feeling with four days left?
Because there's a lot of different polls.
There's the polymarket stuff.
There's the actual polls.
How are you feeling? I think it's a true toss up. I mean, there's a lot of, I. There's the polymarket stuff. There's the actual polls. How are you feeling?
I think it's a true toss up.
I mean, there's a lot of, I'd say, people on both sides
who are like, oh, my candidate's definitely going to win,
or whatever.
Or it's decided practically.
I totally disagree.
I think that it's, I would say it's 50-50.
Coin flip.
It's going to come down to turnout.
I think, genuinely, I think 50% of the country supports Harris.
50% supports Trump.
It's just like, will the 50% for your candidate get out?
And that will decide it.
It's gonna be like tens of thousands of votes.
So you're pretty objective.
Yeah, I mean, I think like, I obviously have my opinions
when it comes to Kamala Harris,
but when it comes to like the data,
like the numbers don't lie.
So we have to be honest and like set expectations properly.
But I also try to be objective with the political views.
I'm not just buying into democratic politics
because it's fun or you know.
Which I think is important in your space.
Yeah, I mean, 100%.
I think what's lacking in politics right now
is genuinely good faith discussions,
people who want to have a conversation with someone
they disagree with.
You get a lot of screaming.
You get a lot of name calling.
And I'm not innocent in that.
You know what I mean?
But I've had my fair share of those.
It's human nature.
It's human nature, right?
But I think we have to get back to sticking to the facts
and focusing on information we know to be true,
as opposed to what we want to be true.
And I think this is almost objective,
which I think the Trump supporting side
suffers from more now.
With what happened in 2020, denying the election results,, Trump's just lies about virtually every single topic.
It's incredibly concerning how a lot of Trump supporters just kind of buy into it automatically.
And like, one of my goals is trying to be like, pull these people out and be like, Hey,
you can be more conservative.
That's okay.
Like we at least have a factual conversation, you know?
Yeah, yeah, the election results is definitely a big one.
And he seems to be very serious about this upcoming election.
He's now accusing Pennsylvania of cheating, right?
Did you see that?
Yes, I did see.
And it's already been debunked.
Oh, really?
Yeah, a lot of this stuff has been debunked.
There was a video alleging to show a person from Haiti
illegally voting with multiple ballots.
The FBI just came out today and talked about how that video
was created by Russia.
Oh, wow.
And spread by Russia.
And so this is what's so concerning to me. The FBI just came out today and talked about how that video was created by Russia. Oh, wow. Spread by Russia.
And so this is what's so concerning to me.
It's like, I think a lot of people are voting based off of misinformation, and especially
on Twitter right now with the way that it's run, like these videos are just able to explode.
And they did.
Like, Elon Musk was talking about it, all these huge accounts were talking about it.
And it really hurts the trust in the institution of our democracy and voting.
And I think that's really concerning.
So that's why I'm like, just focus on the facts.
You know, we can disagree, but just be honest.
Yeah.
Video spreads so fast these days.
Especially on Twitter.
Like, you know, video posted an hour ago alleging to show some-
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Nefarious plot can have like 10 million views
and it's just like, that's like 10 million people
or however many people it is,
believing total misinformation, something that's spread
by a foreign actor that they want to blow up,
so it further divides us.
We have to be careful about that.
So that being said, are you a fan of some sort
of censorship on social media?
I think there has to be regulation.
Not to the point where you can't express a political view.
If you're like, I'm supporting Donald Trump,
I think you should be able to say that.
If you're saying I'm supporting Trump
because of X, Y, and Z, no problem. But if you're like, I'm supporting Donald Trump, I think you should be able to say that. If you're saying I'm supporting Trump because of X, Y, and Z, no problem.
But if you're saying that like Haitians
are eating dogs and calves,
I mean, there has to be some regulation on that.
Whether it be like a fact check that's on it,
like I guess Instagram kind of does that.
Something along those lines,
because just look at the way that Twitter's run.
Like so much of the misinformation that I encounter,
that a lot of people in politics encounter,
comes from Twitter.
And we have to be like, well, it's not true because of X, Y,
and Z.
So I'm a huge proponent of free speech.
I think everybody should be able to say what you want.
But social media is just a different beast.
To be fair to Twitter, don't they have a fact-checking thing
on the bottom?
They do.
They have community notes.
I think that community notes is a really flawed system
as it stands.
I would love to see it get better.
It's just, it can take a long time to appear.
Some of the community notes are certainly
like politically driven.
And I've seen it on both sides happening to Democrats
and Republicans, like I've gotten community notes
on my post saying that I'm paid by the DNC.
I've never received a dime from the DNC.
And it's just like, you know, it's just kind of like,
that's annoying.
That's obviously an abuse of the system.
So if there was more objectivity in the community notes,
I'd be like, great, you know?
Yeah.
So I'm glad you said that,
cause I saw that came out with the whole Bryce Hall thing.
You said you got paid.
So could you explain what happened there exactly?
Yeah, I don't really know where it came from.
People have just said that, you know, since I'm young,
I'm 22 and I'm supporting Kamala Harris
in such a strong way
that I must be getting paid for it,
that I must be receiving compensation.
It's like, no, the majority, I'm not gonna lie,
I make money from social media,
just like anybody else on social media.
But it doesn't come from a political party paying me.
There's certain laws and regulations
that actually prevent that, or I have to disclose that.
So that's something that like,
Bryce and Republicans have made up,
and they've said that it's been funneled through my management team and it's just,
it's a bunch of nonsense. But for example, that's a community note that I've gotten.
Yeah, that's wild. So I wonder how the community notes are made then.
I mean, I think I'm not an expert in the system, so I don't take my word for it.
But my understanding is that people can sign up to be writers and you can get
approved or rejected.
And so I think that's how it works,
but I'm not 100% sure.
And I have some people who do,
that I know that I'm like decently friends with
that write community notes, but again, not an expert.
Yeah, so it sounds similar to Wikipedia then
where there's like a seniority level.
Yes, 100%.
That makes sense. 100%.
Were you one of the first people
that did those TikTok live debates?
Cause those are viral now, right?
Yeah. So, I mean, I wouldn't say I was the first.
Like I have some friends of mine, Parker and Dean,
who have really been doing the live streams for longer,
but I've been doing them for like, I'd say eight months,
eight months now.
Yeah.
And they're fun.
And those are wild to me.
Cause I'll pull on on any hour and it'll be 10,000 people.
It'll be either midnight or like 10 AM.
And it's just like packed.
Yeah. I mean, I think that, I think that those debates are really important.
I think I described it in a recent interview
I did for a newspaper as like the new version of door
knocking, right?
If you're on the ground, which on the ground work still
is crucial.
But if you're on the ground, you can
hope to hit like 100 houses in a day or like 200
houses in a day, whereas with a live stream,
you can hit like hundreds of thousands of people a day or like 200 houses in a day. Whereas with a live stream, you can hit like hundreds
of thousands of people a night and they're listening
to arguments and points that they hadn't heard before.
So these live streams have been really great
in like spreading the word.
And I have to say, I think that the Democrats
or left-leaning people have really utilized them better
than Republicans, which obviously I'm very happy about.
Yeah, 100%, especially on TikTok.
Yeah, yeah, I think like the Republican social media game still is just not that great. Yeah, 100%, especially on TikTok. Yeah, yeah. I think the Republican social media game still
is just not that great.
Yeah, I would say on Twitter, they're pretty prevalent.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, Twitter.
But in terms of debates, yeah, Jubilee
has taken over the debate game lately.
They've been great.
Yeah, Jubilee and the 20 V1s that they do,
one Democrat.
I just saw the Destiny one.
Yeah, Destiny.
I was actually really impressed with Destiny on that one.
He's a fantastic debater.
I mean, I've had disagreements with Destiny,
but like when it comes to the knowledge,
the way to articulate his arguments,
he's one of the best in the game.
He's up there.
What were your disagreements with him about?
I mean, he's just, I think he's said some things
in the past, you know, I'd say like some slurs,
maybe I'd describe it as, that I obviously I wouldn't say.
He's obviously, he doesn't really, I think, buy into that stuff of as, that obviously I wouldn't say. He's obviously, he doesn't really,
I think, buy into that stuff of like,
oh, I can't say this or I can't say that,
or I shouldn't say this or that.
So he's just kind of different in that way.
But some of that stuff, I wouldn't personally say.
That makes sense.
I don't think a lot of people should either.
Have you been on those Jubilee debates yet?
I have not.
Oh, no?
I've, we've tried to make it happen.
It's just, I live in New York, they're in LA.
It's kind of like a tough trip. But I would love to.
I want to do one of the 20 V1s.
I'd love to see you on a one on 20.
I want to do one of the 20 V1s.
Would you want to be the one or the 20?
The one.
Oh, yeah?
I want to take all the people on and debate.
I think that'd be really fun.
Did you debate growing up?
I actually was never part of a debate team,
or I never did model UN, or anything like that.
My father used to be a lawyer, so we would debate a lot.
And I would debate a lot with friends and family.
So I kind of grew up in my own way debating,
never through a program or anything.
That makes sense.
But I've been doing it.
I really like debate.
I really like arguing people.
I thought you held your own on Steinie's debate.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
It was kind of a 2 v 1 a little bit, but it was fun.
It was great.
And it was funny.
I like the debates.
And that was, I forget her name.
Emily.
Emily.
Emily Austin, yeah.
She was nice.
And I also think she was good faith.
I don't think she was.
She's got experience going on, Pierce Morgan,
which you've been on as well.
I have been on Pierce Morgan.
Those debates on Pierce get wild.
Yeah, I have disagreements
with Pierce as well, but he really does bring
like a diverse group of people together.
It's like, it's just always such an interesting
collaborations on Pierce.
Yeah.
You know, they have like formed presidential candidates,
former Sarah Palin was just on the other day with Destiny.
I saw that.
Which was fascinating.
So they bring together some cool people, you know.
Yeah, since you're in New York,
were you at the Trump rally at MSG? I was not I deliberately stayed away
I was like gotta gotta stay away from that
But it looked huge. It was packed. It was packed. I've heard that the numbers were really big there
But I've I just saw a memo from the Harris campaign today that
Their data is showing that undecided voters are now breaking for them by double digits
because of Trump's MSG rally.
Damn, because of Tony's talk?
Holy crap.
What Tony said, what other people said,
I think he also made a joke about people of color
eating watermelons, just the most racist garbage stuff
you've ever heard.
And that has really swayed people.
This is, in my view, what a second Trump administration
would bring. And I think a lot of people are seeing that as, you know, this is in my view, what a second Trump administration would bring.
And I think a lot of people are seeing that as well.
And the data is actually showing that as well, which is.
Yeah, I'll say just being objective about it.
Having a comedian as an opening act is risky.
Yeah.
Like that's especially this late in the game,
like a week before.
Yeah, and the thing about it is like,
there's no ability for people I disagree with to say,
oh, you know, he has free reign.
He just made this joke by himself.
It's not representative of Trump or anything.
The Trump campaign reviewed his speech and approved it.
They were perfectly OK.
Oh, really?
So they have to review all the opening act speeches?
Oh, yeah.
All the speeches are approved.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, 100%.
Because they want to avoid something like we see right now.
And they just totally dropped the ball
when it came to the Puerto Rico's garbage comment,
the watermelon comments, the comments
about Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris,
those have all been in the media.
But like they approve those things.
They said, yeah, call Puerto Rico garbage.
That's fine by us.
And I think that's wrong.
Wow.
I did not know that about rallies.
So they have to approve all those.
Oh yeah.
All this stuff is approved.
You know, there's nothing that Trump,
or I'd say Harris does that isn't like reviewed line by line.
Wow.
They're very particular.
And their speech, their things are written out for them, right?
Yeah, they have speech writers.
Speech writers.
So like Trump is never, you know, writing his own speeches.
He has somebody that's doing it for him.
Oh, really?
100%.
I mean, he goes off the teleprompter a lot.
And then he, I think that always ends very badly for him because he'll talk about Hannibal
Lecter, he'll talk about boat sinking and things like that
with batteries.
It's all nonsense.
But that's, I think, important for people to see
because that's who Trump is.
A lot of people who've worked around him are saying, yeah,
this guy's incompetent.
He has no idea what he's doing.
He has no understanding of US history.
And so when he goes off teleprompter,
that's who would be getting for four more years.
And I don't think anybody, in my view, would want that.
He is 78.
I just saw Pacman drop the video
that there is signs of mental decline
and actually proof of it.
So I thought that was interesting.
Yeah, I mean, also, you know, not a doctor,
not an expert in this stuff,
but you know, when you compare the Trump of now
versus the Trump of like eight years ago, it is different.
And that doesn't mean that he's suffering from dementia
or like some form of mental decline,
but he has gotten like more unhinged,
more unstable in my view.
And you can really see it in his rhetoric.
Like, why is he talking about Hannibal Lecter?
Why is he doing that?
Like, what does that mean?
Why are you doing that?
It's just very strange to me.
Yeah.
Have you ever talked to him?
No, oh my God, no.
He's never tweeted at you or anything?
Not to my knowledge.
He just went out Mark Cuban.
He, yeah, they have a few.
They've had a few going on for a long time.
Yeah, what did you think of that whole debacle, I guess?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I think that Trump sometimes projects his insecurities
onto people he knows are better than him.
So I think he's incredibly jealous of Obama.
Really?
A two-term president admired by, I'd say,
the majority of the country in terms of the numbers,
a Nobel Prize winner, a really accomplished man,
Harvard-educated lawyer.
And Trump is really none of those things.
So I think he does that to Obama.
I think he does with Mark Cuban as well,
because Mark Cuban has also liked.
He's really successful in all this stuff.
And he's got $6 billion.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
He's got a lot of money.
He's got a lot of money.
And not saying that Trump doesn't either, of course, he's got a lot of money. He's got a lot of money. And not saying that Trump doesn't either,
of course he's got a lot of money.
Yeah.
You got to meet Obama, right?
I did get to meet Obama.
I saw a video with you and him.
He is fantastic.
Really?
He is so smart, so kind,
and I think fundamentally a really good person.
And I think he got involved in politics
for all the right reasons.
And I'd say that about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
These are people who dedicated their life to public service.
Kamala Harris was district attorney of San Francisco,
then attorney general in California,
Senator, Vice President.
She spent her life fighting for people.
Whereas I think Trump got involved in politics
for all the wrong reasons, right?
This is somebody who had a silver spoon
in his mouth growing up.
He's a wealthy billionaire and ran for president in 2016,
I think unexpectedly won,
and then of course,
ran for re-election in 2020 lost.
And now I think he's running to keep himself
out of prison personally.
Wow.
Yeah, because he's facing over 700 years.
Holy crap.
Oh yeah, if he's convicted, I mean,
that's incredibly unlikely, but if he's convicted
of all the crimes alleged against him,
and he gets the maximum for all of them,
he'd be spending over 700 years.
Were those the 34 felony counts?
It's those and the other indictments that are pending.
Oh, there's pending.
Oh, yeah.
He has two.
He has one in Georgia for trying to overturn the election there.
He has one in DC for January 6 and trying to overturn
the election nationally.
And then one is still going on in Florida.
It's currently dismissed, but the 11th Circuit,
which is the court that kind of covers that area,
is going to reinstate it almost certainly.
What was that one about in the one in Florida?
That was a classified documents.
Oh, classified, damn.
Yeah, so Trump after he left office,
he took classified documents from the White House.
He knowingly did it.
And he-
I saw this, the raid at Mar-a-Lago, right?
Yeah, so that's what they were looking for.
Like he had the nuclear secrets of foreign countries.
What?
Yeah, and a lot of these documents had information
on human assets in other countries,
meaning like US spies, and that's really dangerous.
These people, if their names get revealed,
they could be killed, right?
These are people who are in Russia, Iran, China.
And he had these documents just kind of lying around,
and he knowingly had them, he refused to give them back,
and of course he was indicted
for retaining national defense information.
And the thing is, if either you or I did that,
we'd be sitting in jail right now
for the rest of our goddamn lives.
So it's weird how, you know, a lot of people are voting for that.
Yeah, I feel that.
So when you see these conservatives like Vivek say government agencies have been
weaponized, what do you think about that?
I think it's nonsense.
Really?
I think it's nonsense.
Yeah.
When they say something like the FBI or the Department of Justice is targeting
Trump, there's quite literally no evidence of that.
In fact, it's the contrary.
Like Trump has so much evidence against him in these cases.
I'd say a lot of legal experts on both sides are saying,
if these went to trial,
he would almost certainly be convicted.
So it's just that it's not weaponization.
It's like, if you break the law
and there's evidence you broke the law,
you're gonna be indicted.
And they're not doing this.
There's no evidence that like Biden coordinated or Kamala Harris coordinated. It's just that like Trump is, you're gonna be indicted. And they're not doing this, there's no evidence that Biden coordinated
or Kamala Harris coordinated.
It's just that Trump is on audio
acknowledging he stole classified documents.
Is the VEX argument that we should just ignore that
and not indict him and not hold him accountable legally?
It's also like it erodes the trust
in the Department of Justice,
it erodes the trust in the FBI.
We even have Republicans saying we should defund the FBI.
Damn. It's nonsense, right? Yeah, I don't know if that'd be good. I mean, the thing in the FBI. We even have Republicans saying we should defund the FBI. Damn.
It's nonsense, right?
Yeah, I don't know if that'd be good.
I mean, the thing about the FBI is that they do so much work
behind the scenes that we don't appreciate, right?
So like every single day, there are terrorist attacks.
They stop.
They're going after predators, murderers, things like that.
And if they were defunded, we wouldn't be able to do that.
But Trump and the Republicans have called for them
to be defunded, call for the Department of Justice
to be kind of like have a bunch of these lawyers fired and also defund the FBI that is
Like I can't even like put into words how bad that would be, you know FBI one
I probably don't agree with the IRS
I think a lot of your friends would probably agree with you on that.
I think we should fund the IRS.
When we fund the IRS, I think the data shows that they're not going to go after middle income earners.
If a middle income American misses their taxes by a little bit,
and they're not trying to deliberately commit fraud. They're not going to be indicted. But if we fund the IRS, we have the ability to go after really wealthy people who evade
their taxes and they benefit the most from evading their taxes.
So if we can hold those people accountable, make them pay their fair share, that makes
all of our lives better because we can invest that in things like healthcare and building
roads and bridges and improving our water system.
That's things that Kamala Harris has talked about.
Trump, not so much.
I will say the very wealthy, there's
so many loopholes that most of them aren't even paying.
Exactly.
And so that's also a huge issue in this election
that Kamala Harris is talking about closing these loopholes,
making the wealthy pay their fair share.
And it's not like you have to give us
100% of your income.
It's just pay your fair share like everybody else has to.
But Trump is saying, let's give them another tax cut.
It's like, what? They're already else has to. But Trump is saying, let's give them another tax cut.
It's like, what?
They're already not paying.
Does Elon Musk need another yacht?
I don't think so.
He did cut it when he was in office, right?
He did.
And the 83% of the benefits went to the top 1%.
And everybody else kind of got screwed over.
And so I hear from a lot of Republicans saying,
my taxes have gone up under Joe Biden.
The funny thing is we're still under Donald Trump's tax plan.
Oh, really?
Yeah, that doesn't expire.
Some of it expires 2025, most of it expires 2027.
So right now we are still under Donald Trump's taxes.
Wow, I didn't know that.
So if your taxes have gone up in recent years,
you can thank Donald Trump.
Yes, you can't blame Biden for that one.
100%.
Now you're young, so you're gonna start making serious money
as you get older.
Do you think your opinion on this will change
as you make more money?
No, I mean, look, I don't like taxes.
You know, I don't like paying taxes. I'm not a fan of it., look, I don't like taxes. I don't like paying taxes.
I'm not a fan of it.
I mean, I don't think anybody is.
But I shouldn't say I don't like paying taxes.
I don't like because I would obviously
like to have more money.
But I understand that taxes are a necessity
to run a country well.
And you can just see that in the United States
compared to other countries.
Like, I would argue that we are the greatest country on Earth.
And there's a reason for that.
There's a reason that we're able to have the best military,
invest in our healthcare system,
invest in manufacturing, whatever.
It's because we have taxes.
While I don't like it, it's really important.
My thing is, and you might disagree with this,
is I feel like there's a lot of overspending going on.
And you also don't really see
where the tax money's going to exactly.
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't argue against more transparency there's a lot of overspending going on. Sure. And you also don't really see where the tax money is going to exactly. Yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't argue against more transparency with that stuff to see like where our tax dollars
are going.
And I think that there's probably waste somewhere in the government that we could address.
But maybe.
I wouldn't be opposed to what you just kind of talked about.
More transparency.
So when you see Elon stepping in one new fix out, what do you think about that?
Well, I think that Elon being in charge of a government agency
would be really terrible.
He was talking about cutting the,
I think it was spending by $3 trillion a year.
But the thing is our discretionary spending
is like $2.7 trillion.
So it's like, how would that even work?
That makes no sense.
And the fact that Trump is saying, hey,
this guy is going to run a government agency to do this,
and he doesn't know how much our discretionary spending is,
it's like, that's really concerning.
We should have experts, and people
have been doing this their entire lives in these agencies.
Not like Trump's buddies.
He's also talking about putting RFK Jr. in charge
of all of the health agencies.
Why would we do that?
He put a bear cub in Central Park.
He cut off a whale's head.
I mean, wait, what?
Oh, you've not heard about this?
No.
Yeah, yeah, R.F.K. Jr.
He put a bear cub carcass in Central Park in New York City
and then never told anybody.
It came up like 10 years later.
Why did he do that though?
Your guess is as good as mine.
Bear carcass, interesting.
A bear cub carcass.
He cut off a whale's head
and tried to put it in his car
and bring it home.
What?
Yes, yes.
Yeah, I never heard about this.
So strange.
And one of my main criticisms of RFK Jr.,
aside from the vaccine stuff that he talks about,
is he was asked about sexual assault allegations against him
and his response was, I'm no church boy.
Like, what does that mean? Why would that be your response?
Does that mean that you've done something wrong?
But aside from that, his opinions on health is awful.
So overall, like having RFK Jr., Elon Musk,
and all these strange individuals running these agencies
I think would be really catastrophic for the country.
So you feel like his messaging though
of Make America Healthy Again is awful
or where do you disagree with him on the health aspect?
I mean, the whole like, I never really liked his messaging
of Make America X, Y, or Z again.
I don't like referencing the past
as like a version of prosperity.
Okay.
I think we should be looking more forward, not again.
I just don't really agree with the phrase,
but I have no problem with like making America more healthy,
like encouraging like healthy eating, exercising.
But when it comes to like criticizing things like vaccines or just general health care, I think that's insane.
You know, we have so much data that suggests that these things work.
You know, there's a reason why you don't see anybody with an iron lung anymore because we have a polio vaccine, right?
So R.F.K. Jr. criticizing that and you know, COVID generally is just crazy.
So you're you're pro-vaccine,
because now kids are getting 74 ages zero to 18.
What was that?
74 vaccines.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm definitely pro-vaccine.
So you like all of those, all 74?
Yeah, I mean, unless there's like a specific one
you can point to that has data that suggests it's not.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm in favor.
I mean, these are all like tried and tested
and investigated by people who are, again, virologists,
they're experts in these fields.
They're not just being like, oh, let's just give the kids vaccines because it's fun.
Yeah, these are these are really necessary.
Well, they've done studies on them individually, none of them have issues.
I think the problem is when you give five in one day and then there's heavy metals in
them.
You know what I mean?
I mean, is there data to suggest that that's a problem?
Uh, I wouldn't know of any studies yet.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't think that there's any problem with that.
People underestimate how strong the human body is and how strong our immune system is.
And you can have two viruses at once and have your body fight both of those.
Really?
Yeah, 100%.
That's why we have, that's what the purpose of a vaccine is, producing the antibodies
to fight it.
And of course, again, no virologist here, so not an expert, but that's my understanding at least.
So Trump announced, I think yesterday,
that he wants to get rid of big pharma,
or it might have been RFK, big pharma advertising
on television, did you see that?
I did not actually see that, no.
Okay, so basically there's only two countries in the world
that allow big pharma to advertise on commercials.
It's the United States and New Zealand.
Wow.
So what do you think about them trying to remove them
from advertising?
I mean, I don't know.
I think like intuitively it sounds attractive as an idea,
but then you kind of get into like, well,
can the government really prevent people
from advertising that?
Like with cigarettes, you can do stuff like that
because there's evidence that obviously cigarettes
are bad for you.
You shouldn't smoke.
You'll get lung cancer primarily.
But with health companies, I think the argument is like,
well, are you infringing on their ability to be a business?
So you're infringing on their right to engage in the market.
And it's like, I don't know, maybe that's something
that people are, they put not advertising over that,
they prioritize that more so.
But I'd say I'd probably stay away from that
a little bit in my view. I probably wouldn't side with that.. Okay that makes sense. Did you go to college? I'm currently
in college. Oh you're in college so this whole student loan forgiveness where do you stand on
that side? I'm a I'm a fan of student loan forgiveness. I also think that there's data
that says that it's helpful. Look if you I President Biden talks about this a lot if you can give people
a little bit of breathing room take a little bit of that debt off their table, they can do so much more.
They can invest in a house.
They can start a family.
Maybe they want to move somewhere.
They get out of their hometown and start a small business.
They have more room to do that.
And I think that's a good thing.
I think student loan forgiveness, people just
kind of view it in a two-dimensional way
in the sense that, oh, there's no benefit to it.
You just give the money, and then nothing else happens.
It's like, no, the economy actually grows
when people don't have debt.
They are more financially stable when they don't have debt.
They're more willing to invest when they don't have debt.
So if we can do that and help millions
and millions of people, I mean,
I think that the benefits are endless, you know?
So a hundred percent forgiveness
or is there a certain percent you want forgiven?
Well, I don't think that there's a way right now
for the government legally to forgive a hundred percent of the debt without going through Congress.
But through the mechanisms we have right now and like Biden's plan of $10,000 or $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients, I have no problem with that. I think that'd be great.
I thought they passed something a year ago because my fiance told me they forgave it. But did something happen along the way? Yeah, I mean, so President Biden signed an executive order for the plan I just talked
about, the 10,000, 20,000.
It was blocked by the Supreme Court.
They said that he didn't have the authority to.
That lawsuit was actually brought by Republicans.
So if folks out there have student loan debt and they want it forgiven, you can thank the
Republicans for that not being the case.
Wow.
So yeah.
So do the Republicans have control over the Supreme Court right now?
They do.
It's a 6-3 majority.
Interesting. And that's also another really important reason that Kamala Harris wins,
because the President appoints Supreme Court justices.
So if Trump wins, it's likely that two of them who are the older ones,
Clarence Thomas and Samuel Leto, they'll retire and he'll get two more appointments.
So it'll be 8-1?
No, they're Republicans, they're conservatives.
So their seats would just be replaced,
but they would have that 6-3 majority for like the next 20 30 years because they're all very young
Yeah, 20 30 years
So if you don't like this Supreme Court has overturned things like Roe v. Wade taking reproductive rights away from women
At least on a federal protection level
They've obviously overturned the supreme the student loan forgiveness. They've rolled back gun regulation. They've rolled back climate regulation
They rolled back the chevron deferenceference which is huge. Essentially it gave federal
agencies discretion over like if a law is vague they'll say well the agency
like the FDA or the EPA has discretion to interpret that law to enforce the
regulation. Got it. So it gives more power to them to actually do their jobs.
Now the Supreme Court overturned that,
saying that basically you have to go to courts
and have them decide what a vague law means.
So unless a law is written in the exact way
to address every possible outcome from the EPA,
then you have to go to courts and get it figured out.
And I don't think that judges should
be deciding what's good EPA regulation and not.
I think that experts in environmental science
and who are experts in the environment generally
and climate change and things like that,
those folks should be deciding what is good regulation
and what isn't.
I can agree with that.
And that's what the Supreme Court overturns.
So if you don't want that anymore,
if you want what I would say are justices
that follow the law and interpret it
not in a conservative or liberal way,
then I would argue people should vote for Kamala Harris.
Makes sense from that point of view.
When you see conservatives say they want more power towards the state and towards local communities, what do you think about that?
I mean, I'm not opposed to states having authority and having power to
you know, deal with their own problems.
I think that the problems of somebody living in Idaho are vastly different than the problems
of someone living in New York.
So I think that states can have discretion in deciding that.
But when it comes to things like reproductive rights,
I don't think that a state should be able to decide that.
OK, so you want a federal on that level.
Yeah, I think we should go back to what we had with Roe v. Wade,
which said that up until viability, which at the time
was around 20 to 24 weeks, states before that point do not have an interest,
meaning that they can't regulate that.
They can't say, no, you can't get an abortion at 16 weeks.
But after that point, then states could.
But I think even in the third trimester,
women should be able to get abortions
in the event of a medical emergency.
Fair.
So Kamala Harris stands for that, Donald Trump, not so much.
Really?
Yeah, no, Trump, I mean, his record is so terrible
on reproductive rights.
In 2015, when he was running for president the first time,
he said women should be punished if they get an abortion,
and now he brags about overturning Roe v. Wade,
which has led to women even dying.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
They've died because they haven't been able
to get critical reproductive care.
So, like, quick brief story is,
a woman named Amber Nicole Thurman,
she was living in Georgia, she went to North Carolina and took abortion pills,
which is the primary method of abortion now.
She came back to Georgia.
Fortunately, she still had fetal matter in her uterus.
And she went to a hospital in Atlanta.
And the procedure she was meant to be getting is very typical.
It's like, you know, it doesn't take long.
It's not all that intrusive on the woman.
It's not like they have to cut her open,
it's very simple, right?
But the doctors there were unsure
if they could perform the procedure because of the way
that the law is written in Georgia.
So they waited and waited and waited to see,
can they do this, are they permitted?
And they waited 20 hours, and then they eventually
started operating after tracking her infection,
and she died.
She had a six-year-old son, she wanted to go to nursing school and now she's dead
because Republicans passed these really archaic and I would say like generally evil
laws that restrict a woman's right to do that. So I want that to not happen anymore.
Yeah.
And that's why, you know, I'm obviously supporting her.
Yeah, that's a sad story. Rest in peace.
Yeah.
I gotta look into that one. When did that happen?
That was, I believe she died in 2022.
Wow.
A couple years ago.
Yeah, a couple years ago.
The story is only coming out now because there is often
a lag in these states reviewing these cases.
There's often like a two-year lag.
Oh, wow.
It just doesn't get that much funding.
It doesn't have the ability to do comprehensive reviews
really quickly.
So we're only kind of learning now
about all these women who have lost their lives
because they were denied reproductive care.
And unfortunately she is one of those women.
Dang.
Yeah, you see women coming out
with essay accusations too, right?
Yes, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I mean against a bunch of people for sure.
Yeah. Just generally, yeah.
I think the timing on that's a little weird though,
to be honest.
Against Trump?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't really agree.
I think that if a woman sees somebody who assaulted them, like running for president
of the United States, I think that they have an interest in being like, well, this guy
is actually a really bad person and kind of informing the public.
And so that actually happened with E. Jean Carroll.
She's a woman who sued Trump for sexual assault.
And they went to court in New York and the jury found him liable for doing it,
that he assaulted her.
Really?
Yeah, and he defamed her as well.
Oh, wow.
So, you know, he is a proven sexual abuser.
This is who is running to be the Republican side.
And I think that, you know,
there's a lot of Republicans out there that, you know,
I talk to that don't really care about this stuff.
They don't care about the sexual abuse.
They don't care about the felonies.
They don't care about the business fraud. They're just saying like, you know, I want my, I want to make don't really care about this stuff. They don't care about the sexual abuse. They don't care about the felonies. They don't care about the business fraud.
They're just saying like, you know, I want my,
I wanna make more money, right?
And so I disagree with that.
I think that we should care about the character
of a president.
They're just saying, hey, you know, I focus on this.
But the problem with that argument I see is that,
first of all, he's a terrible person.
But second of all, he's actually not good for people.
Like his policies are just bad.
So from both aspects, if you care about character and you care about policy, and I'm happy to elaborate,'s actually not good for people. Like his policies are just bad. So from both aspects, if you care about character
and you care about policy, and I'm happy to elaborate,
he's not good for you.
He will not make your life better.
Really?
100%.
Because I have a lot of entrepreneurial friends
as I'm sure you do too.
And they do say the economy is better under Trump.
Yeah, so that's, I think the trap
that a lot of people fall into,
which is they saw a good economy under Donald Trump
and they're like, well, he's just going to do it again.
But I think we have to think a little bit more critically about that.
We have to ask why, why was the economy good under Donald Trump?
Was it because of Trump or was it because of something else?
And every data point in my view, and I think a lot of people's view is that it's obviously
not because of Trump.
Obama had the longest stretch of positive job growth in American history.
And Trump then inherited that economy and said, oh, it's great.
Look what I did.
You know, I did all this.
No, he didn't.
It's Obama's economy.
He didn't pass any law or any regulation or do anything
that actually made the economy better.
And obviously, COVID happened.
He lost a bunch of jobs.
I'm not blaming that on him.
But you're asking people say, well, you know, Biden and Harris,
they had a bunch of inflation.
Well, the inflation is caused because of COVID.
It's not the president doesn't actually control
the economy. I'd say it's more to the Federal Reserve. So inflation going up is not because
of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. You know, even if Trump was president, that wouldn't have changed.
Yeah.
But we have to be like honest about why these things are occurring. Like Trump didn't do
anything for the economy and he's not going to do anything now. He wants to impose a bunch of
terrorists, which would increase the taxes for your average American. It's like, I don't know.
I mean, I could turn off a lot of people do put the blame on the
president for the economy.
Or they do when you're saying it's the Federal Reserve
mainly.
Yeah, I mean, but also I wouldn't even blame like the
Federal Reserve for what happened during COVID and the
inflation.
It's like these things are so out of our control.
Like inflation was global.
It happened in all of these different major developed
economies.
You know, there's it's not a coincidence that Great Britain,
France and Germany and Japan had their inflation rates
spike at the same time.
It's because we were all suffering from a global pandemic
that shut down people's economies.
So it's not because of Biden, it's not because of Harris,
but in that same vein, a good economy under Trump
is not because of him.
He actually didn't do anything to help the economy.
That's what I've been trying to like hammer.
No, because a lot of people do connect those dots,
Trump and good economy.
Yeah, they say that, oh, I also hear that, oh, he's a good businessman, he a lot of people do connect those dots, Trump and good economy. Yeah, they say that.
Oh, I also hear that, oh, he's a good businessman.
He knows how to run the economy.
That I also think is nonsense.
I hear that a lot too.
He's gone bankrupt six times.
He committed a bunch of business fraud.
The Trump organization was found guilty
of all tax charges against them.
Really?
Tax charges, so not paying taxes?
Yeah, like tax fraud and things like that.
Oh wow.
I think it was 11.
I think it was 11 charges.
They were found guilty on all.
Damn, I didn't know about that one.
It's crazy.
I knew about the bankruptcies. You could argue that some very successful people have experienced
bankruptcies.
Yeah, I think you can argue that for sure. But I think that like Trump's business failures
in particular are not just like, oh, somebody, you know, they learned from this and they
became a better entrepreneur. It's like Trump was always wealthy because he inherited a
bunch of money from his parents. He didn't really like do all that.
And I would argue that he made a lot of his wealth
through fraud.
I mean, that's what the court in New York found.
Oh, well.
He had access to a lot of different opportunities
that you or I would not have access to
because he committed fraud.
It's like, I also don't think we would want
a proven fraudster as president, you know what I mean?
So, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm surprised there's not a law against that,
that you can't run as president if you're a fraud.
Yeah, I mean, the Constitution's pretty open
when it comes to running for president.
You can run for president as a felon,
as a sexual assaulter, as whatever.
There's no law.
Murder?
Murder.
You can run for president if you've committed murder.
Damn.
You think there should be an age limit on the upper end?
I know minimum is 35, or is it 45?
It's 35. 35.
Do you think there should be one on the upper end? I know minimum is 35 or is it 45? It's 35. 35, do you think there should be one on the upper end?
I don't, I think that the way that medicine is evolving
and science is evolving, that it's not inconceivable
that in 30 years from now, your average life expectancy
is significantly higher than it is now.
And thus, somebody that's 80 in 30 years from now
might be perfectly fit to run the country
and be as energetic as like today's 60.
You know what I mean?
Fair enough, yeah.
I think that putting a cap on that might be unnecessary
given how society is evolving in the future
could produce a different result.
I started seeing people talk about that with Biden.
I mean, I think that Biden's perfectly fit.
I mean. Really?
Yeah, I've met him.
When did you meet him?
I met him in May of this year, so May of 2024. Oh, and you didn't see any issues? No, I actually interviewed him. When did you meet him? I met him in May of this year, so May of 2024.
And you didn't see any issues?
No, I actually interviewed him.
How long was the interview?
Like five or six minutes.
I don't know if that's long enough to gauge
a full cognitive ability.
I mean, probably not.
I was more with him like for 15.
The interview was just a short amount of time.
But yeah, no, I mean, I watch his speeches often.
I've met him, and he was great.
He didn't have the questions beforehand or anything like that.
He just answered off the dome.
And he was great.
He was comprehensive.
So I think a lot of people have a bad view of Biden.
They kind of see like certain clips on social media
that make him look bad.
Him falling.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Like, and my argument to them is like, well, look,
if you or I or anybody had a camera on us
every single time we stepped out of the house,
we are bound to make a mistake.
We're bound to do something dumb.
And everybody has these embarrassing moments
where you're like, God, I really hope nobody saw that.
So imagine everybody did.
And if you take all these little clips and put them together,
you can paint a picture about anybody.
You know what I mean?
You can make you or I look stupid.
So I think that's my argument when people are like,
oh, look, he fell.
It's like, whatever.
But there were definitely some cognitive decline signs,
I believe.
I mean, I would argue no.
No, none at all?
Because, well, I might just be biased because I've met him.
I've actually stood in front of him.
And also, he had a neurology report this year.
Oh, he did?
It's public.
Yeah, it's on Whitehouse.gov.
Everybody can go read it.
And these are not, I hear the argument all the time
that these are biased doctors.
They're not.
They're people who work at Walter Reed, which
is dedicated to serving service members and government
officials.
So they're not making millions of dollars doing that.
They're public servants.
And they had neurology experts and general physicians
do these reviews of President Biden.
They found no.
Really?
Yeah.
So I'm big on trusting the experts, trusting the science. And if they didn't find anything, I'm big on like trusting the experts, trusting the science and you
know, if they didn't find anything, I'm not going to say, well, you know, my
eye tells me a different story.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
I mean, I felt like he performed poorly in the debate though.
It was not a fantastic performance to put it lightly.
It was not a fantastic performance.
I think that a lot of people said that Trump won the debate.
And I think that like, from a presentation standpoint, I understand why people. And I think that like from a presentation standpoint,
I understand why people said that.
But I think from a policy standpoint, Biden did.
Really?
From a hundred percent.
Like in that debate, Biden talked about a lot of the issues.
He focused on policy.
And while I don't think he was great at articulating it,
the substance in my view is what matters.
Whereas Trump, he did a lot of like personal attacks.
He lied a lot, just like he did with the debate
with Kamala Harris.
So I don't think that you win debates by lying.
So I almost like by default,
Biden was gonna take that debate
because he was more honest
and he was focusing on the things that matter.
Makes sense.
Did you see Trump on Rogan?
I didn't watch it.
Oh, you didn't watch it?
I didn't watch it.
I've heard terrible things about it though,
that he was rambling and I've seen clips and it's just, I can't, it? I didn't watch it. I've heard terrible things about it, though, that he was rambling, and I've seen clips,
and it's just, I can't, like, when I watch stuff like that, when I've seen the certain
clips, I genuinely have a hard time understanding how people see it, and they're like, that's
my guy.
That's who I want to be president.
You know, he was, again, talking about the things that only affect him, the election
in 2020 that he still cares about, the FBI investigating him, the DOJ indicting him,
and things like that.
It's like, that doesn't make our lives better. It doesn't make anybody watching his lives better. It's only kind of helps him
It's like it's not there's no future talk there, you know
Yeah, like me I saw Vance just go I didn't watch the Vance one yet, but he just went on to
Vance did I wanted Kamala to go on dude. I also wanted Kamala to go on. Yeah, I really did go on but uh
Yeah, I think Joe Rogan said that,
I think he put out a statement saying
that it's not off the table.
He wanted her to travel to Texas and she's campaigning.
So, you know, she wanted them to come to her and whatnot.
And she wanted the questions before, right?
I don't know, I didn't see anything about that.
Oh, okay.
I can't imagine that being the case though.
Really?
No, I don't think that, I have not seen any interviews
or anything like that where she's had questions beforehand.
I gotta look into that.
Cause I thought she did, but I'm not sure.
Again, I haven't seen it.
I haven't like really paid attention to them all that much.
Yeah.
But no.
Well, just with her answers in general,
like I saw her on Fox News and a couple other podcasts,
they seem more scripted than just natural responses.
Yeah, I mean, but I almost think that that's like
how politics should be.
That's how it has been.
Yes.
But Trump kind of turned a new leaf, I feel like.
Right. Trump has, he's certainly off script a lot, but I don't actually think that's a good thing.
Really?
I think that leaders should be prepared.
They should know the points they want to hit on and hit on those points.
Trump doesn't do any of that, right? He doesn't stick to the issues that he's talking about,
he doesn't stick to the policy and that leads him to go off script and sound really stupid,
in my view. And I think it's quite embarrassing when Trump goes off script for the United States.
So Kamala Harris getting up there, sounding really professional, talking about the issues,
having the data beforehand, I think represents a good leader, someone who is prepared. And I think we want our leaders to be
prepared. When Trump goes on to Rogan, and he's rambling about the most incoherent random topics
you've ever heard, it's like, was that really a good look for the United States? Do we want our
leader to do that? Yeah, you know, I don't mind being genuine. I'm not saying don't be genuine.
But I'm saying if you're conducting an interview
You know, you don't see the leaders in Europe
Talking about fictional movie characters like Trump does that's a good point. Actually I could see that that side Yeah, I think people just want to see them more humanized
yeah, and that's why that's what I mean like I don't mind being genuine if you know Kamala Harris, I think does a lot of
Genuine media appearances and you kind of see it when she's talking to people
After rallies or before rallies
and she's taking photos with people,
like that's who she is.
But when she's like in the mode of campaigning,
I do want Kamala Harris to be focused and prepared
and talking about the issues that are affecting people.
Trump just doesn't do that.
I can see that.
Have you met her yet?
I have.
So I met her at the White House in 2022.
Nice. So. It's on my bucket list to go there one day.
So congrats.
Oh, thank you.
That's awesome.
I appreciate that.
It's a gorgeous building.
It's really just beautiful.
But we were there.
I was there for an event.
It was the Inflation Reduction Act celebration.
It was a bill that Biden signed into law.
And she worked the photo line.
I talked to her for like two or three minutes.
That's the only time.
So that was when she was VP, or she still is.
Yeah, yeah. That's when she was like not even. Nice. What was your I talked to her for like two or three minutes. That's the only time. So that was when she was VP or she still is.
Yeah, yeah. That's when she was like, you know, not even.
Nice. What was your elevator pitch to her? What did you tell her?
I think, I honestly can't really remember the conversation. It just happened so quick.
But I think I talked about like content creation and stuff and how, you know, that's what I do.
And I think the work she's doing is really important and how I was really appreciative of the administration.
But, you know, I kind of, I didn't want to take too much time. She had a lot of people
to talk to. So I was kind of like, do your thing.
You were probably one of the first liberal content creators I've ever seen. Were you
really, were you early on to that?
Yeah, I started, so I'm 22 now. Yeah. I started when I was 17. Okay. So five years. Yeah.
So five years, I started in like April of 2020. So COVID kind of hit my school was shut
down. I was still in high school
at the time, school shut down, all my internships shut down.
So I like pivoted to social media
to try to still impact the election.
And then I just kept doing it an hour here.
So I've been doing it for like over four years,
close to five years now.
And were you getting hate right away or like,
when did the hate come in?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, the hate was kind of immediate.
People that disagree with me.
Yeah.
But I think the hate is elevated in recent years. Like I've been swatted.
Damn, you got swatted?
I've got swatted four times.
Holy crap.
I got bomb threats to my university, to my house.
Oh my God.
Yeah. So I'm not 100% sure how much I can talk about it, but this is a point of investigation.
So it's still kind of-
Sorry to hear that, that's terrible.
It is what it is.
It's part of the game now.
I just have kind of accepted that,
but those are the extremes, right?
Those are the very rare extremes,
but I'd say I get hate and it doesn't really bother me.
Like all the comments on social media don't ever get to you?
No.
They phased me when I was 17 and young.
Yeah, same. I used to crawl in my room and curl up and shit.
So how old were you when you started?
Social media, yeah, around the same age, 18, 19.
Yeah, so you're still developing.
You're still very young.
And a bunch of people saying things at once
that you don't know, it's like, that can be intimidating.
Oh, 100%.
Because if you backed Trump in 16, you got hate.
Oh, yeah.
Tons of hate.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'd say it was kind of almost the same in 2020,
I'd say, of both sides because the country was just so divided.
It is now as well.
But when I was 17, I think the comments bothered me.
But now I'm 22.
I'm just like, they almost make me laugh.
Fickerskin, yeah, same.
I crack up now.
Yeah, they're almost kind of funny.
When I see these people in my Twitter replies especially,
saying the most outrageous stuff,
or posting edits of me, I show my friends,
I'm like, dude, how crazy is this being kind of loud?
Yeah, I got a ton on the Pac-Man one,
but honestly, I took some feedback.
I could have done better on that interview.
What do you mean by that?
I wasn't as prepared as I should have been.
I didn't know who Pac-Man was going into that interview.
Oh, really?
Yeah, so I could have taken a lot more time,
done some proper research,
and I did look pretty stupid on that interview.
Were you like debating him or?
It didn't, it was supposed to be an interview,
but you know how his style is.
Yeah, he's confrontational.
Yeah, he's confrontational.
So yeah, he would just outclass me in certain arguments,
but shout out to Pac-Man, I like what he does.
He's awesome, like he's also like an inspiration of mine.
You know, he's been doing it for a while
and I've been watching him for a while.
So it's kind of cool that I've talked to him,
and he follows me on TikTok and stuff.
Yeah, no, you're up there, man.
Are you live every day on TikTok?
I try to be.
So right now, I'm in Vegas right now.
So I haven't been able to go live the past couple of days.
But when I'm home and just in my apartment,
yeah, I try to go live and debate every day.
Dude.
I don't know if that happens after the election, though,
because you know, but.
How do you not get burnt out?
You're on there all day debating.
I mean.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I there are, you know, times, there are periods where I'm
a little bit more like, oh, I don't really
want to do this than others.
But I think probably it's just the energy
with the election being so close that's very motivating.
So, you know, after the election,
maybe there'll be like a downturn where I'm like,
you know, maybe I'll just relax today.
Yeah, I can't wait till after I can finally chill.
I know man.
I've been cranking these podcasts with political.
I'm telling you, man, I feel the same way.
And you're here in a swing state,
so I can only imagine like what it's like.
Dude, they're here every week, like either Tromberg, Mala.
Yeah, yeah, and they were, again,
both here the same day yesterday.
Yeah, that was crazy.
Yeah, yeah, like not that far away from each other
Oh, yeah, where was her rally? Yeah, I don't actually I don't it was like the some amphitheater. Okay, some amphitheater
Can't remember that. Anyway, I can't remember the address but his was in Henderson. Yeah, so it was like a 30 40 minute uber
Okay, we took that's not bad man. Yeah, we'll see what happens next week big week
It's we're right now four days away as a filming four days away. Um, and it's
gonna be, it's gonna be huge, man. I'm just, I'm, as you said, I'm excited for
it to be over. Yeah, she really needs to win. I hope she does. Will you be really
upset if if Trump wins? Yeah, yeah, I'd be, I'd be really upset. It's not, and
it's also not because I'm just a Democrat. Like, I fundamentally believe
that Kamala Harris winning
is in my interest, in your interest,
in everybody's interest.
It helps the country.
She has actual policy.
She has a vision.
Whereas Trump, I really do think he's running to save himself.
He hasn't really told us what he's gonna do about housing
or how he's really gonna make the economy better.
He hasn't responded to criticisms of his tariff policy.
It's just like, that's gonna be upsetting know, I think it's important that whoever wins the American people accept them as the winner.
You know, I have seen him want to lower energy.
Energy bills. Have you seen that? Yeah, he's talked about, you know, wanting to lower energy,
but he doesn't have like a plan to actually go about that. Like yeah, he always says, you know,
I'm gonna lower energy by drilling more gas or more oil.
And it's like, well, how does that actually
lower energy prices?
Because gas prices are based on global markets.
So we can be drilling a bunch of oil here in the United States.
It doesn't mean that our gas prices are going to go lower.
And that's exactly what we're seeing right now.
We are right now drilling more oil than ever
before in American history.
We are drilling more oil than any country in the world.
Yeah, Biden is drilling more than Donald Trump.
But as you'll notice, gas prices are not a dollar, a gallon.
It's because they're based on global markets,
and the president doesn't obviously
control global markets.
So Trump just saying, hey, I'm going
to lower your gas prices when I get into office
is great because he's just lying to people.
He's saying this to try to win people's votes.
And so if Trump wins, I hope people are prepared for the reality that that's just not going to happen this to try to win people's votes. And so if Trump wins, you know
I hope people are prepared for the reality that that's just not gonna happen. That's interesting to me
I thought the president could control gas prices. You're saying it's a global thing. It's global Wow
So everyone's hiring on gas not just America
If you look at and especially when gas prices peaked the United States again with inflation
It was happening all over the world
Oh, I had higher gas prices than we did. Ireland, Great Britain, France,
all these countries were allied with,
they all had very, very high gas prices,
often higher than us.
And so it's not, you know, the president,
and I always say to Trump supporters,
I'm like, think about it this way,
just think about it logically.
If Biden could control gas prices,
and there was just like a lever he could pull to do,
why wouldn't he?
That's true.
And if that's the case, then why didn't Trump
make gas prices a dollar a gallon when he was president? Right, why not? If they can do it, why not? It's because it just doesn't he that's true and if that's the case then why didn't Trump make gas prices a dollar a gallon when he was president right why not if they can do it why not because
it just doesn't work that way yeah people try to simplify the issue right yeah they
try to say that oh you know Biden can just lower inflation just do X Y and Z or he could
just shut the border down or just lower gas prices it's like unfortunately well I would
argue fortunately because we don't we don't live in a dictatorship or have a king the
president can't control these things.
Yeah, they only have a certain amount of power.
Yeah, really.
Like, and that's the thing.
It's like the president has a lot
of influence over certain things.
Like I would say judges are really important.
And of course, they sign or veto bills.
They're commander in chief when it comes to the military.
But on these economic factors, like inflation and gas prices, it's like,
no, the president doesn't control that.
That'd be insane, right?
You know, the president did that.
That's interesting, because I see that argument a lot
with gas and grocery prices.
Yeah.
People are like, it's too high.
I'm telling you.
I don't know who else you have lined up for your podcast,
but I would argue that if you have more conservatives coming
in here, just ask them, what did Biden and Kamala
do to raise gas prices or raise inflation?
And if they say spending, well, Trump actually spent more over a 10-year period. more conservatives coming in here, just ask them, what did Biden and Kamala do to raise gas prices or raise inflation?
And if they say spending, well, Trump actually spent more
over a 10 year period.
He has almost double the amount of borrowing
that Biden has for a 10 year period.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh wow.
It's like his is around including non-COVID
and COVID spending around 8 trillion.
With Biden, it's around 4.2.
Interesting.
So it's just always funny.
Like the Trump supporters, the Republicans try to say,
oh, Biden did X, Y and Z when it comes to inflation.
Ask them why, how did that happen?
And there's never a really great answer.
I think it's hard to just compare presidents
because also timing and so many things you can't control,
right?
Like COVID happened.
Yes, 100%.
That's not a fair comparison anymore.
Yeah, and the presidents deal with different issues.
So the issues of Obama's time are not
the issues of Trump's time and are not
the issues of Biden's time, right?
So it's kind of hard to, but I would argue that,
you know, the Biden administration has been one of the best
in modern American history in terms of policy past
and things done, I'd argue that Trump's is one of the worst.
So it's, but it is kind of hard to make those comparisons.
Yeah, for sure.
We do have to talk about the border though,
cause that seems to be the number one issue these days.
Let's talk about the border, I'd love to.
What would you like to discuss?
So when you see these crazy numbers,
like 20 million people coming in,
or like they're stationed around the world
and they're getting paid to come in
and they're getting phones and they're getting hotels,
like what do you think about all that?
Well, again, I think my response is similar
to what it is with inflation and gas prices.
They say, well, the numbers are so high
under Biden and Kamala Harris.
It's like, okay, but why?
Why are the numbers high?
Why are people coming to the border?
And I would say that immigration has,
or like, you know, people coming to the border
has absolutely nothing to do
with what we do inside the country, right?
Like, you know, Biden legislating does not prevent people
from coming to the border.
They'll still come.
It has everything to do with happening,
with things happening outside of our country.
And what happened in recent years that led to this COVID
and war happening in Southern American countries,
or at least political division and instability.
So Venezuela primarily has had a lot of folks coming over
from there in recent years, including under Donald Trump.
But the point is that high numbers of people
coming to the border has not been because of Biden
just opening the doors.
It's been because COVID shut down a lot of these
Southern American economies, their economies didn't bounce back as fast as ours did. So they're seeking
economic opportunity just like a lot of people. So that's why there was a mass influx and especially
with countries like Venezuela and countries like that, a lot of people have been coming from there.
And the interesting thing is this trend is consistent all around the world. So France
recently passed one of their most restrictive immigration bills that they've done in their history.
Why?
It's because they're experiencing the same thing that we did.
Oh wow.
African countries did not bounce back.
Middle Eastern countries did not bounce back
in the way that we did.
So these folks are coming up seeking economic opportunity.
That's how you know that it's not just an American problem.
Oh, that's good to know.
Cause people don't talk about that.
No, if you look at the trends in Asia, in Europe,
in North America, it's the same.
Canada last year took in the most amount of immigrants they've ever taken.
Really?
Yeah.
This is...
Wow.
It's not just the United States. So that's number one.
But number two, when it comes to people coming in, the majority of people that come to the border
are rejected. The numbers you see are apprehensions or encounters, which just means that somebody was
physically encountered. It doesn't mean they got in. It would just mean that they were
interacted with by border patrol. So the majority of these people are rejected.
And you see like there have been 10 million encounters. So if the majority have been rejected,
that's at least over 5 million people who have not come in. And then also, encounters
can happen twice. So if you encounter the same person twice, that accounts that counts
for two and got it. So, you know, people saying there have been 20 million people come in,
absolutely not true.
But on the issues that you mentioned,
like hotels and phones and things like that,
the hotels are mostly state policy.
So like New York City, for example,
they have been housing migrants in hotels.
That's New York City specific.
That's not federal.
And you live there.
So how do you feel about that?
I mean, I think that's the right thing to do because also I
have to just quickly preface
that these are legal immigrants.
They're coming through asylum, which is a legal process.
So if they're led into the country, they're legally here.
So they're not, New York City is not
housing undocumented migrants.
That's an important distinction.
Exactly, they're all legal.
So these folks that are in hotels,
if they've been given phones, they're legal.
And those phones are not like, you can go play like,
I don't know, Candy Crush on your phone, right? They're mostly for tracking your court date. God are like imagine your phone, but it has one app. Okay, you can't do anything else
So it's just for tracking your court date, but a lot of this is state policy. So you're saying well, what about food?
What about housing that's New York City specific or state specific? That's not Joe Biden doing that, you know, okay
So that was a lot of info. That was a lot. No, that was a lot. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah
Yeah, I see these crazy numbers and I've was a lot. Thank you for sharing that because,
yeah, I see these crazy numbers
and I've never had someone break it down for me like that.
So you're saying under 5 million is more realistic.
Yeah, and those are, I would still argue are just encounters.
We don't actually have like a solid number
as to how many people have come in.
But there's also another side to this argument
that while there has been a lot of strain on the system
with so many people coming to the border and a lot of people being granted temporary asylum
it's also been really good for the economy fun fact hmm so the
congressional budget office released a study I believe in either early 2024 or
late 2023 talking about how because of the influx in migration over 10 years
our economy is going to be seven trillion dollars bigger and our federal
revenue will be one1 trillion more.
Really?
Yeah, because more people are working jobs.
Oh, wow.
People are coming in, they're working.
And it's also important to note that America's workforce,
the native-born American citizens right now
can actually not keep up.
Older people are retiring faster than younger people
are getting involved in the workforce.
So these migrants coming in and filling a lot of these jobs
has kept the American economy afloat.
And Trump's proposal to just deport everybody
would dramatically hurt our GDP,
dramatically hurt our federal revenue,
decrease the size of our economy,
and also we'd be spending like hundreds of billions of dollars,
maybe trillions of dollars to deport people.
It's like, it'd be expensive.
But he wants to deport the illegal ones, right?
Well, yeah, there's currently, I think,
11 million undocumented migrants in the country.
Okay.
But also, again, a lot of these people are working jobs.
A lot of these people, the majority of people in the country who are undocumented are folks
that just overstayed their visas or overstayed their green cards.
They didn't come in through the border and sneak in or anything like that.
There are folks who were here once legally, their green cards have expired, and now they're
working a job.
They're part of their community.
They might be the soccer coach at their local school.
And it's like, do you really think
that we should deport these people?
Like they're law abiding, they're working,
they're part of their community.
Is that really somebody you think,
yeah, you have to get out of here?
That just doesn't make much sense.
I can see that.
Do you think there's any place for deportations?
100%.
If you're a criminal, you're breaking our laws,
something along that line, no problem.
Deport them, or a lot of these folks
are actually in jail in the United States
if they've committed crimes, perfectly happy with that.
And I think that there is some merit
to deporting some people who have come in recently.
But this whole like mass deportation thing
that Trump talks about just logistically makes no sense.
It sounds scary.
Because they'd have to go door to door, right?
Practically.
They'd have to send people to houses.
Practically.
And it's also like, how do you do that legally?
I mean, there's a lot of laws preventing you
from entering someone's home or respecting somebody's privacy.
And even that also, those protections
apply to undocumented migrants.
So how do you legally go door to door and raid the house
and deport these people?
And it's like, a lot of these folks have kids who were born in the United States.
Why would we do that?
Right.
You know, another concern I've seen on the conservative side is these illegal immigrants being able to vote.
Yeah, that's utter nonsense.
They're not gonna be able to?
No, no.
There's no law or part of the Constitution that allows someone who's undocumented to vote.
There are certain very, there's only like I think six or seven in the United States.
Actually don't quote me on that.
I don't want to, I'm not 100% sure what the number is.
But there's only there's some certain jurisdictions in the United States where undocumented migrants
can vote on very local elections.
So like school board, for example.
But when it comes to governor, senator, anything statewide, anything national, undocumented
migrants cannot
vote and I would point people to the 14th amendment which says that only native born
American citizens or people who have obtained American citizenship can vote.
Right.
So that's one of Trump's big lies that undocumented, it's just-
I've seen that a lot all over X.
There you go all over.
And that's why I try to get both perspectives.
Here's where people mess up.
They only have one perspective.
Oh yeah. So that's why I like you because you're debating Here's where people mess up. They only have one perspective. Oh, yeah.
So that's why I like you, because you're debating.
You're getting the other side's perspective every day.
Well, it's really important to listen to the other side.
And I want to be clear.
I think Republicans' concerns with inflation and gas prices
and migration is totally valid.
If you care about these issues, you're not a bad person.
You're not evil.
I don't think you're wrong.
I don't think that you're terrible
or you're trying to oppress anybody.
None of that.
I think those are perfectly valid concerns.
But then again, we gotta be honest
about what the problem is.
So with undocumented, with migration right now,
the problem is actually not people
coming across the border illegally.
Our border has never been more fortified.
Really?
There's more wall, more border patrol agents,
more security measures, more laws regulating our border
than ever before in American history.
But right now the asylum system is being abused.
So Kamala Harris is offering reforms and policy that will actually change the asylum system
for the better so people can't abuse it.
Whereas Donald Trump, his whole thing is just let's just build the wall.
The wall doesn't stop people from seeking asylum.
You could have a wall with big turrets on top of them with spikes.
It's like people can still come to the border
and seek asylum and they'll be granted temporary stay.
So we have to reform the laws and be smart about it,
logical about it and follow the facts
as opposed to just listening to like sensationalize
political rhetoric from Trump of like mass deportation,
build a big wall.
It's like, so, you know, I think those concerns are valid.
We just have to be honest about them.
Agreed.
I will say coming here legally is very difficult.
Oh, it's incredibly difficult, right?
I mean, and that's another thing, you know,
not to keep bringing you back to Kamala Harris,
but she wants to make the legal immigration system smoother.
She wants to give out more green cards, more work permits,
which of course comes with vetting,
and that also helps our economy.
Whereas when Donald Trump was president,
he actually reduced the amount of green cards and work
permits we give out.
And my argument to Republicans is like, okay, if that's who you're voting for, don't you
think that if somebody can't come to the country legally, they'll try to come in illegally?
Like, do you really think that depriving somebody of a work permit or a green card is going
to keep them away?
Right.
No, it's a good point.
So we should incentivize legal immigration, make that system system far easier and make it much harder to come in illegal
I agree because it could help our economy to 100% narrow that down. Yeah, I'm getting married next year and
Thank you. But yeah, we have family overseas. It's very difficult. It's incredibly difficult incredibly difficult
So and that's what Kamala Harris is all about. She's like I want to secure the border
But let's do it in a humane way, in a way that makes folks coming into the country
who want to work, or like your family coming into the country,
let's just make it easier for them.
That makes sense to me.
I think that would make sense to a lot of people.
Yeah, 100%.
Because there's people waiting over 10 years right now.
10 years. Crazy.
And that's the thing with like, you know,
Trump's talk or Elon Musk's talk
of undocumented migrants voting.
Like people who came in during Obama's like first term
are now only able to obtain citizenship
Oh, wow. It's like do you really like it's so difficult to get citizenship. It's so difficult to become a legal American
That is that really the argument that you think that somehow magically these folks are voting en masse
Illegally, it just makes but you know, uh, you see Elon's giving out a million dollars a day
Yeah, that's like definitely illegal.
You think it's illegal?
100%, like, or it's walking the line
because there's federal law that says
you can't give financial incentive
or any incentive to register for your party
and vote for a given candidate.
So Trump saying like, or excuse me,
Elon Musk saying, hey, sign this petition,
which you have to be registered to vote to sign,
but I'll give you a million dollars.
It's like, that's really illegal in my view.
And I think that it's telling that that's the lengths
that the Republican side is going to,
to try to get Trump elected.
It's like, do we really want people
and very wealthy people walking the line of the law
to get their candidate elected?
I certainly don't think so.
Yeah, it sounds like a lottery almost.
The lottery stuff is no joke.
Gotta be careful with those.
And there's pretty stiff penalties.
So, and I just before actually we came on,
Elon Musk's, his request to move the case
that he was sued for, at least investigated for,
to federal court was rejected.
So it's gonna stay. Oh wow.
I think it's- They're already suing him?
Yeah, there's some legal movement there.
Damn, that was quick.
Yeah, they don't mess around.
They don't mess around.
Yeah, with the election on the line,
there's high stakes for sure.
High stakes a lot.
And there's gonna be a lot of legal challenges.
If Kamala Harris wins,
just expect Trump to file lawsuits
in virtually every single state to try to overturn it,
which also again, I think is a reason to not vote for Trump.
Well, he did that last election, right?
He did that last time. He did a lot last time. And that's why a reason to not vote for Trump. Well, he did that last election, right? He did that last time.
He did a lot last time.
And that's why he's been indicted for that.
He's been indicted for trying to defraud the American people,
which I think is what the charge was actually
labeled as, the statute.
And I don't think we want that again.
We have to get to a time of, even if you disagree
with Kamala Harris, I would argue
it is objectively more peaceful or more stable with her as president. With Trump, there's the, even if you disagree with Kamala Harris, I would argue it is objectively more peaceful
or more stable with her as president.
With Trump, there's more chaos.
Yeah, I could see that.
You know what I mean?
You saw that in 2020.
Yeah, if you're being objective,
I think you could definitely argue that, for sure.
I think Trump brings a lot of nonsense, a lot of chaos,
and I think we are far better as a people
when the president's boring.
Yeah.
Like, we don't want an entertainer as president.
We want somebody who you can forget about and be like, Oh yeah, they're
they're president, but I'm not really thinking about politics every single
day and what the leader tweeted.
You know, you do want a strong leader.
Yeah.
You know, that can negotiate with other countries, handle all the business.
Yeah.
Trump's not bad.
Not at all.
I think Trump is very weak.
I love that man.
Is there anything you agree with him on policy wise
or just as a person?
Damn, you're struggling.
Yeah, I mean, definitely not as a person,
but there were some things he did as president
that I thought were good.
There was the law, the First Step Act was passed.
Some criminal justice reform, okay, no problem.
He also had Operation Warp Speed,
which was the development of the COVID vaccine.
No problem with that.
But in terms of like the big things that Trump tried
and failed to accomplish or some of them he did accomplish.
Yeah, no, I totally disagree with him.
I feel that.
What do you think of Charlie Kirk?
Cause you're in college right now.
He's out here saying college is a scam.
You know, how do you feel about that
as someone that's actively in college right now?
About that specific statement? I guess that and we can move on to others, yeah. How do you feel about that as someone that's actively in college right now?
About that specific statement?
I don't know how you can make that argument when the data is really clear.
There's no problem with somebody not going to college.
If you want to go be an engineer or a plumber, those are noble jobs. jobs, right? And any job you work in the United States, if you're working at McDonald's or you're a garbage man
or whoever you are, there's pride in that work, right?
So you don't have to go to college to hold a good job
and be a productive member of society.
But the data is pretty clear that if you go to college
and the more education you obtain,
you're more financially stable,
you have more access to opportunity and things like that.
So-
Is that industry-based though data or is that overall?
I think it's just overall.
Okay.
I don't know what the industry data is.
Like, well, or is that overall?
in terms of running a business. But I think there's probably some value
in obtaining a business degree.
Basic stuff like accounting maybe,
but just overall entrepreneurship,
it's so ever-changing that you can't really learn it
in a textbook, in my opinion.
Sure.
There's so many trends and stuff.
Yeah, and I think that in business,
entrepreneurship, if having a mentor
would probably be more beneficial.
Yeah, oh, way more.
Yeah, so I could see how that makes sense.
That's what I mean.
Certain industries, it might just make more sense to not,
and also like, you know, specific people are different.
So college and going into business school
for some person might work and for maybe for you
or somebody else that doesn't, it's like,
I have no qualms with that, but you know,
generally I think that, you know,
calling college a scam is like, you know,
I know there's a lot of debate around it.
I just don't agree.
I think certain professions, it's no longer needed.
I could see that point of view.
But yeah, college overall as a scam, that's a tough.
Yeah, because you got doctors, you got lawyers.
I mean, it's a tough thing to say.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
And you learn a lot in college.
And I think that being a young person interacting
with other young people, learning
from people who are different parts of the country,
I think is really beneficial.
There's also the social aspect of being introduced
to different viewpoints.
What are you majoring in?
I'm studying politics and law with a focus
on constitutional law.
Makes sense.
You're going to be a lawyer one day.
Let's go.
Maybe.
That's going to help you in your debates, because it's
a whole other notch, right?
Exactly.
That's hopefully the goal.
So we'll see where that goes.
But Charlie Kirk also just sucks generally.
What else do you not agree with him on?
Well, he's very pro-life.
He's very pro-Trump.
And I think he ignores a lot of the negatives of Trump.
He always tries to pull it back to,
can you define a woman and how many genders are there?
Classic.
It's like, who the hell cares?
I just don't care.
If somebody wants to be whatever they want,
I couldn't care less. We're past that argument. I feel like that was like, yeah. That's like, who the hell cares? I just don't care. If somebody wants to be whatever they want, I couldn't care less.
We're past that argument.
I feel like that was like, yeah.
That was like 2020.
You know what I mean?
People cared about that in 2020.
But if somebody wants to identify
as a different gender, I'm going to be like, OK.
I couldn't care less what you do.
If you're happy, fine by me.
But Charlie Kirk is still going out there saying, well,
what's a woman?
It's like, who the fuck?
It gets views so I can see why he's doing it.
Yeah, yeah.
There's an incentive review, so I understand. But just just from that he also like ignores the Trump legal cases. He ignores all that stuff
He ignores Trump trying to overturn the election
Which I think is I think it's wrong if you want to be good faith
You kind of have to engage with the pros and the cons
Yeah, well, I think he's so tied in that if he just speaks negatively about it. It's you know, it's a bad look
Well, that's also the case
I think like he's very much embedded in the Republican Party, just like folks
like Ben Shapiro are that, you know, if they criticize Trump, that'll be its own
headline. Right. If they say like, oh, you know, actually Trump's terror policy is
bad. Charlie Kirk is going to get slammed.
And I'm sure he's he has friends in the Republican Party and on the Trump
campaign who would have something to say about it.
So, yeah. What do you think of the Ben Shapiro one on 25?
I actually didn't watch it.
Oh, you didn't watch it?
No, I didn't watch it.
So I can't really comment on it, but I also I think Ben Shapiro kind of falls
into the same category as Charlie Kirk.
Charlie did one too.
Did he really?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Your buddy Dean was on there.
I think that might be how Dean blew up.
Oh, actually, I did watch the Charlie Kirk one.
Yeah.
I didn't watch the Ben Shapiro.
That's where Dean really started taking off.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's where, and I saw his Charlie Kirk's debate
with Parker, who's a friend of mine.
Parker too, yeah.
He saw his and I saw Dean's part of it,
but I didn't watch the entirety thing,
but I saw some clips.
Yeah.
No, Parker and Dean really crushed on that, man.
Yeah, they're really great debaters.
I was impressed, cause they're young.
Yeah, I think Parker is, I think he's 22.
I think he's my age and I think Dean's 20 or 20.
Crazy.
Yeah, like they're going out of young.
Yeah, shout out to you guys.
You three are like the face of the party now.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, for real.
I can't wait to see what you guys do in the future.
But where can people find you and keep up with you, man?
Yeah, I'm on everything.
I'm on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Snapchat,
all under the username, HarryJaySisson.
So yeah, everywhere. Boom, we'll link below. Thanks for coming on, man. Thanks, man. Thanks for watching, guys, all under the username, HarryJSysson. So yeah, everywhere.
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