Digital Social Hour - Ketamine Therapy, Importance of Spirituality and Finding your Soul Tribe I Tori Gordon DSH #363

Episode Date: March 20, 2024

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Got a great guest for you guys today, Tori Gordon. How's it going? Good. Thanks for having me. Excited to be here. It's good to see you. guest for you guys today, Tori Gordon. How's it going? Good. Thanks for having me. It's good to see you. I know you're doing some really interesting stuff. Can't wait to dive into the mental health, the psychedelics. I want to start off with sort of your personal mental health journey and how that sort of started. journey I think for me I grew up in a very traditional like had a very traditional childhood and background I didn't start having mental health challenges or struggles till my mid till my early 20s mid-20s oh wow yeah so I was really fortunate um but and I used to be just to give you some context like the girl that thought anxiety was like not real yeah we all know someone like that yeah i was her i was like are people just making this up like is this just an excuse to get out of doing things that they don't want to do like i don't understand until

i experienced it for the first time yeah and i remember it was a regular day i was pulling up to a sales call and had to do a meeting and all of a sudden was just flooded. My body was flooded with anxiety and this feeling rushed over me of like, I have to get out of here. Like, I don't want to do this. I need to leave. And I was like, oh, that's what I'm experiencing. So that was like this new awareness that I'd had never had before. I remember another moment in my kind of mental health journey when I was living a life that looked absolutely beautiful on the outside, living in a penthouse apartment. I was dating a major league baseball player. I was, had the life that so many people like would have looked at and dreamed of. And yet one day I walked

out of my condo and felt the sun on my face and burst into tears and realized, oh, something's not right. Like I've been sheltered up in my apartment for two weeks and haven't seen anybody. I think I might be depressed. And so those are a couple of the moments where I've had these awarenesses that there's something internally that doesn't match my external world. And so for me, I've been on this journey over the last decade of like, how do I build a life that feels as good as it looks? Right. Because I was somebody who had a life that looked really good, but it didn't feel good.

And I did so much work to try and curate my external world and control my external world and garner acknowledgement and achievement and accolades and all of that but I it didn't satisfy or like fulfill the part of me that was suffering and that was longing to be you know dealt with and so yeah I think for me personally I've struggled at different stages with depression and anxiety and PTSD and different things. I've been through a lot in my life. And now I'm really committed to finding tools and resources and having experiences that truly can transform my life and relieve me of the stress and the suffering that I've experienced. I love that.

And I feel like there's a lot of people dealing with that, to be honest. Everybody. I don't know anybody that's not, maybe a handful of people, but they are fully committed to that. Like their lives are committed to that work. You know what I mean? And I think it takes a level of dedication and commitment to yourself and to realizing like you deserve to have a life that feels good. You don't have to suffer. You don't just have to accept that this is just how it's going to be forever. And part of that, for me, has been realizing the diagnosis.

I was diagnosed with ADHD at 26. I was diagnosed with depression after my mom and my sister passed away. Dealt with anxiety., dealt with different things. And part of me didn't want to just accept a diagnosis and be like, this is who I am now. This is my identity. This is something I'm always going to struggle with. Instead, I went to work figuring out

how can I deal with the root cause of why I'm feeling this way so that I can actually heal instead of just having to take a pill the rest of my life. So you're saying root cause, that's more holistic. So you believe mental health can be treated holistically? For sure. I think, you know, people go through different... Do you guys spend a lot of time or money or both on food, especially cooking and ordering delivery?

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And there was definitely a period of times where I was on antidepressant and anti-anxiety medication. That worked for me. I was on ADHD medication for a long period of time. That worked for me until it didn't. I was on hormonal birth control for a long time. Worked for me for a while until it didn't. And then I had to renegotiate what works for me and what are the alternatives. And what I realized when I looked at our health care system, because I spent a lot of time in hospitals with, unfortunately, sick family members of mine, I realized we don't really have a health care system.

We have a sick care system. We have a sick care system. We have a disease management system. We're putting people on medications for the rest of their lives that address symptoms, not the underlying root cause of these things. And so, and I'm not telling people how to live their journey or their life, but for me, I was like, I need to understand what's really going on underneath the surface. And so there was a point in my life where I was just like, I don't want to be dependent on these medications forever. Some of them change my personality. Some of them have terrible side effects. So what are my alternatives? And most of us don't even get to that question. We're like,

oh, we just accept this for truth. What I would encourage people to do is like open up the possibility of like, is there another way? Is there something else that I can do to experience the freedom or the feeling or the relief that I'm trying to feel, which most of us go to all different types of things to feel better. Because, yeah, like we said, I don't know many people who aren't suffering in some way or in some form. And we're all using a lot of different things to cope with that.

Yeah. No, pretty much everyone I talk to, I can't even think of someone that hasn't dealt with it in the past, mental health stuff. Yeah. Yeah. dealt with it in the past, mental health stuff. Yeah, yeah. It's like, and what I also realized is like, in order to have the life that feels really fulfilling and feels really good for me, like I can't be at peace in my life if I'm at war in my mind all the time.

That's deep. And I was like constantly at war like with my circumstances with my past with things that had happened and what i didn't realize is that i was like in resistance to the way life was a lot and i was always trying to change something fix something i was the girl that's like i can always be better and so i was never in acceptance of my life it was like this is wrong how do I make this better how do I get to this next level etc and that gave me this energy of like actually resisting life versus embracing it and accepting it for what it is and I don't feel like I think that internally creates this conflict in inside right you're always trying to get to the next thing you're never happy where you are.

There's like this gap. Yeah. And so I've really had to find through like meditation and breath work and psychedelics and other alternatives, like ways to be okay with how my life is right now. Living in the moment. Yeah. Even if it's not ideal, it doesn't mean it's perfect, right? It doesn't mean that I have everything figured out, but can I be okay with this stage? Can I be okay with this season? Can

I be okay with being in the middle? Not being where I thought I, you know, not being where I was, but I'm not where I want to be. I'm somewhere in the middle. Can I be okay with that too? It's tough to live in the moment. I think people either live in the past or the future. Most, yeah. I'd say very few people are in the present. Yeah. You can tell when you're talking to people. Fully.

And, you know, I did a talk on this recently. You spoke at the same conference, and I don't know if you stuck around or if you were there for it, but I talked a lot about heart-led leadership and part of getting out of our heads and leading with our heart and what that looks like. And you were just talking about being in the present moment. Like I feel in order to have real connection with people, like presence is a prerequisite for that.

For sure. You have to be here. Yeah. And I have to be here. We have to both choose to be in this moment together to create something. Yeah. Otherwise we've missed it. Yeah. You can tell when people are thinking about other stuff be in this moment together to create something. Yeah. Otherwise, we've missed it. Yeah. You can tell when people are thinking about other stuff when you're talking to them.

Yeah. Yeah. And so for me, I used to be really fast paced. How do I get more done? How do I cram as much stuff into the day? How do I get to the next job, the next opportunity, the next whatever? Are you interested in coming on the digital social hour podcast as a guest we'll click the application link below in the description of this video we are always looking for cool stories cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life click the application link below and here's the episode guys and i was missing out on so much of the fulfilling parts of my life and i was like how do I actually just slow down and be where I am and see that actually

there's, this is where the magic is. Like the fulfillment, the joy, the peace, it's not out there in the getting and accumulation of things. It's here. Right. And I've just been missing it. Yeah. Yeah, man.

Robert Edward Grant was just talking about living in the present as well. Yeah. It's something people don't really think about, but that mind switch is really impactful once you do do that. Yeah. I wear this necklace because it helps me. It's just like a little reminder, but it also is like I breathe through it. So I exhale, inhale through my nose, exhale through this.

And it's by a company called commissar design it's they're really dope but it's just like this gentle reminder that like when you become aware of your breath you become aware of your life it's like the thing that we do first when we come into this world and last thing we before we exit and then most of us forget about breathing in between but it's like as soon as i become aware of my breath it's like i've entered this moment i've just arrived yeah here in the body in the moment and when i can do that and when i can practice that regularly that's when i open up to the life that's present and alive around me versus being in a relationship,

not with the present moment, not with you, not with whoever I'm with. I'm in a relationship with my mind otherwise. Yeah. An idea of the future, an idea of the past. I'm not actually in a relationship with life. Yeah, you can get in your own head easily. Totally. Yeah. of the past i'm not actually in a relationship with life yeah you could get in your own head easily totally yeah so for me it's also about like how do i create practices and things in my life that help me get out of my head yeah breathwork's so important i mean i do it every

day and the days i don't i notice it it's like night and day it's like a for me it's sort of like a walking meditation or i'm walking prayer it's's like, I think we think breath work has to be like very, I have to take time, I have to sit, I have to breathe. And that's great. And you can access some really amazing states like that. But also if you're just in the car, literally last night, I got really overwhelmed. And I typically don't do that.

It takes a lot to shake me yeah shake me up and for whatever reason something like really shook me up and i was having like this intense reaction like my body was kind of shaking and i immediately just started breathing i was like this is the way back home this is the way back to the moment this is way back to my body and ultimately safety. Like that's, I'm having this panic in my body and in my mind and my mind's racing to the future or to the past. Like that's what anxiety is. It's like because we've left the moment and how do we return back? And one of the things I say about anxiety too, it's like, it's like a little kid on the playground okay so if you're a parent and your kid wanders off a little too far you're like hey baby come back over here where i can see you

too far right i feel like that's what anxiety is when you start to feel anxious it's like your body and your mind is saying hey baby you've wandered a little too far off from the present moment come back come back over here you're too far off and that's why you're like off into the future that's true and it's saying can you just come back here where life is being lived where it's safe because it starts to feel unsafe when we're like thinking of all the worst case scenarios and things that could go wrong yeah in the future that's so true i love that yeah i want to talk about soul tribes you talk about soul tribes a lot what exactly is a soul tribe soul tribe yeah i think it's a community of people that you can show up and be part of and take part in that is an environment in which you feel really safe

and where you feel like you're welcome to be your full self. I think in our culture, we wear a lot of masks. For sure. We play a lot of roles. We're taught really young, like, who do I need to be in order to be accepted and loved and belong and fit in and be cool? And I lived that way for a really long time. And I really cared about what people thought.

Same. And I still do to some degree. Like, it's nice to be. It's natural, right? It's absolutely natural. But when I had to start contorting and changing who I was to fit in, that felt really inauthentic to me. So I think a soul tribe is a collection of people, however many, that have like-minded values, similar values to you, similar goals and vision. But also more than anything, it's just like really safe for you to be all that you are and that you don't only have to be a certain version.

Like you don't have to just be podcasting, Sean. Like be at home sean you can be nerd sean you can be whatever sean all the versions it's like we love you for you not for what you do for us right yeah you're just yourself not worried about any judgment yeah real friends yeah and what's sad is i don't think that many people have that in their life. Definitely not. I just remember my high school days. I was just putting on a show. Yeah. What was that like for you?

Trying to fit in, you know? That wasn't me at all, though. Have you found, do you feel like you've found your people? Yes, but it's not a lot. Maybe two. Really? But yeah, it's hard for sure. It's been a journey for me too.

I think like it's required me to walk away from a lot of people that aren't my people or just like not even that they're not my people. That sounds wrong. It's more like I just either outgrew or we had different priorities or different values or whatever. And there was definitely periods of time where i was like pretty lonely um but since i came out to vegas and this is something i see and really admire about you too is is trying to find real raw genuine people and i found that here um but i also feel like you get what you put out for

sure you know what i mean and i you attract kind of what you are and i've come to a place in my life where like i have a standard for like this is how i'm going to show up and i hope that the people that i attract and bring into my world are a reflection of the authenticity that i show and that i bring and yeah and i think that's where it starts. It's like you can't affect who's around. You can't like, you don't know who you're going to meet today. You don't know if you're going to meet your best friend. Like you could have possibly not met your best friend

or the person you're going to be with or whatever. But you get to decide how you're going to show up. And if you're going to wear the mask or play the game or if you're just going to be truly who you are and see where the cards kind of fall. If people walk out of your life or you're not longer aligned with them because you're being your honest, authentic self, then they're not your people. Outgrowing is a common issue I see in the entrepreneurial space, especially when people achieve success. I think they're growing at a pace too quickly for their old friends yeah have you experienced that totally yeah it's interesting

uh it definitely did especially when i was early on in my business some of my closest friends and they've now one specifically i can think of he has come come to me and said, your growth threatened, made me feel threatened. It felt like you were leaving me behind. And that was scary. And I showed that in really immature ways, basically. But sometimes your pursuit of your goals and your excellence and your highest self shows and mirrors to people where they're not kind of showing up for themselves and that can be triggering wow yeah i never thought of it that way but that's so true because now it's their insecurities being projected onto you yeah because they didn't achieve what they wanted to right so i see this a lot of times with my clients

are like when kids are you know go going after their dreams and their parents are like, no, stay, do the thing, because their parents were afraid to take the leap and take the risk. And they've sacrificed their own goals and dreams for a life that they've just accepted. And so when you refuse to do that, it can bring up things for people where they have to acknowledge that within themselves. Yeah, that's something we got to be cognizant of if we have kids, it can bring up things for people where they have to acknowledge that within themselves. Yeah. That's something we got to be cognizant of if we have kids because my parents wanted me to go to college. Really?

Get a job and all of that. But that was, they were just teaching what they thought was best, I guess. Of course. Well, and I think a lot, you know, it's what they think is best and what they think is going to keep you safe. And it's like we're, we as human beings, we want guarantees. Yeah. what they think is going to keep you safe. And it's like we as human beings, we want guarantees. We want certainty naturally because it creates safety. We think if it's predictable, if I know you're going to go on this path and then you're going to get this job and you're going to go to this school,

that feels predictable, that feels like a certain outcome, and therefore we feel safe and that you're going to be okay. And when you start to take a different path whether it's your parents or your friends or your partner whoever that feels uncertain which is inherently risky right and threatening to the potential unit or whatever it's like well what happens if you take this path yeah and and i think ultimately it comes all down to our fear, which is, am I going to be okay? Are you going to be okay? And going back to the conversation about anxiety and mental health, I think as long as we live

with a belief that we're not going to be okay, like if I go for this, if I allow myself to be vulnerable, if I speak from my heart, if I try this new thing, if I believe that I'm not going to be okay, I'm always going to live with a level of anxiety. But what if I like actually trusted and believe like it's going to be like no matter what happens, I'm going to be okay. I'm not going to die. Yeah. not gonna die yeah if i like go for this if i tell this girl i like her if i you know whatever it might be it's the brain that's like no no no that's a threat don't do that yeah because even if you fail you're still learning yeah it's not like you like you said you're gonna die and can we practice learning to be okay with the uncomfortable feelings of growth. Yeah.

Because I don't know anybody that's grown without getting uncomfortable and stepping into the unknown. Definitely not. You believe that everyone has to go through hard challenges to grow, right? Yeah. I mean, it's like resistance training. You don't grow a muscle without using it. Yeah.

You know what I mean um you have to stretch you have to put some pressure on yourself at times and and there's nothing good that comes from like not putting an effort not trying and i'm not saying everything has to be hard like i used to like think that life had to be hard for me to be successful because i'd seen my parents struggle i'd seen them work three plus jobs and travel and do all these things to make you know we were a middle class family but like i had subconsciously started to believe like i have to create some hardship for myself in order to either be deserving or worthy of the success i got um i do think you have to come

up against some challenges but at the same time it's like i now subscribe to a different kind of belief system that i can still i can do it with. Like I don't have to create pain for myself. That's so relatable. I used to, if I wasn't working hard, I would get anxiety because I believe that too. I saw my parents working two jobs each and I thought you just had to work long hours every day to be successful, honestly. Yeah.

And when you, and I had to kind of ask myself, do I want that to be a belief? What does that do for me? Because there's a cost and there's a payoff. I get to feel significant or proud of myself because I work hard. That's nice and that's good. But am I sacrificing other areas of my life for that? And is there a way to have both?

Yeah. I used to sacrifice everything for hard work, health, friendships, family. And what was the motivating driver for you? That's a good question. I mean, at the time, it was just to prove people wrong, I think. Because there was a lot of doubt those first few years. Family doubted me. Friends doubted me. Everyone did. Then it became money. But now it's shifting, I'd say. Now it's more real purpose like i really feel good about this podcast and i'm not just doing it for money yeah which is honestly the best i've ever felt yeah i mean that's and that's like a powerful journey and i think a lot of people go

through that it's like this elevation of consciousness so much it's like we focus on the eye initially, our own pain. Like, oh, people are doubting. I don't want to be in this situation. I don't want to be poor. I don't want to be broke. I don't want to be rejected. I don't want girls to think I'm lame, whatever it is.

And so we focus on the I. How do I fix my problem that I perceive that I have versus – and then you fix that and you're like, oh, now people aren't doubting me. I don't have as many haters. They know I've proved to them. And so now I'm doing this for a different purpose and then it's it's like for me it was the same thing with my journey it was like i was focusing on getting out of my pain then i realized and elevated to a place of like how does this affect we not just it's me and we

to like all of us to what you were talking about like purpose now you're stepping into purpose like how can i give how can i explore this thing that feels really fulfilling and deeply meaningful versus how can i prove something or what i'm here to perform so that you think x of me or like that you like me or that you you know approve versus i'm doing this because this just feels really authentic and true for me. It feels amazing. Yeah, that's the goal. Being able to get these messages out there.

I mean, it really does feel like you and I as podcasters are changing lives. I don't think we'll ever be able to quantify the impact that we make, and specifically you. You've got an enormous audience, and I just want to genuinely speak this into your life like you're making a massive difference and you'll never know the implications of what that means and the waves that that continues to touch people's lives because somebody could listen to a show that you do and take one thing that you said and implement it or go out and read a book or go out and then work with this person or whoever.

It opens their mind up to a possibility. And that's the thing that changes everything for them. And I say that because I am byproduct of that. I heard something on a podcast at a time in my life, I needed to hear it. Wow. And my life changed. That's awesome.

It opened me up to this whole world that I now work and live in. But at the time I was just seeking and searching for something that felt tangible and substantive and that it could actually possibly help me i was desperate yeah and i heard something on a podcast and and then i ended up working with that person and going on a retreat and finding breath work and then i got facilitator like i got you know my facilitator license and then now i have a whole business because of something amazing that happened on a podcast and that's what you're doing every day. Yeah.

What was that retreat? Was that a silent retreat? It wasn't. It was sort of like a somatic healing retreat. So I went out to Maui and traveled alone. I had never done anything like this before. I didn't really know what to expect. I was just in a desperate place place it was like i gotta do

something different right and um that was where i first got in touch with my like my grief and my anger it was the first place i experienced breath work and i felt my own body and my own like all of this power that was in me i was like my ability to experience altered states of consciousness without drugs, without anything else. It's like, this is my breath. It opened me up to a whole new world of, of potential and perspective shifts about like how I saw my life and my, my future and my past. And after that, uh, that retreat, uh, I ended up quitting my corporate job and starting my podcast and starting my business.

It was, I had experienced so much relief and freedom. I knew then I'd tapped into something and I was like, I will spend the rest of my life telling people about this. Incredible. Yeah. Since then you've experimented with other meditations, plant medicines. Walk me through some of those. Yeah. So it started with the journey like home to myself and my power started with like yoga and breath work and meditation.

Those were kind of my like entry level things, which I still practice and they're fundamental to me. Yoga helped me get back into my body and feel the subtleties of the way I was like holding and contracting and like holding tension in my body in different ways. Breath work helped me to get out my head and into my like feel again.

So it started there and then i would baby step i was also very afraid of any psychedelic grew up religious so i was like very judgmental and very straight-laced um but it eventually evolved into me hearing about like getting in these circles hearing about other people's transformations, their experience. So plant medicine came on my radar a couple of years ago and I worked with a shaman and therapist in tandem to do some deep psilocybin work, which was transformational. Most recently, I started working with a holistic psychiatrist, which is really interesting because you don't hear about any of those. And there's a man named Dr. Sam Zan who now we're partnered because his work is so, so

transformational. It's really raising the standard of care in psychiatry. And he's helping people to get off medication through holistic remedies and also psychedelic therapy. He is a professor of psychedelic medicine at UNLV. Amazing. You should have him on your show. He's amazing.

Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah. So he took me through ketamine therapy most recently, and that's been really transformational for me as well. Just really understanding the mind and how we get programmed into these patterns and these belief systems, these cycles that we just keep repeating over and over. And because I realized a lot of the quote unquote pain or suffering I had was a byproduct of just something from my,

I just was like repeating a pattern. I was like trying to protect myself or I was trying to control a situation, whatever. And so plant medicine and psychedelics has been really beautiful in helping me to reprogram some of that. So, so ketamine and psychedelics, including the MDMA and psilocybin, have been extra, extra powerful. I'm going to look into that ketamine one.

So is it like a microdose or are you fully? Yeah, good question. So it's a full therapeutic dose. So actually, they have a, this company is called Anywhere Clinic. It's a telehealth psychiatric platform that offers also ketamine. And here in Vegas um it's company's called anywhere clinic uh it's a telehealth psychiatric platform that offers also ketamine and here in vegas it's called calm clinic um so basically i've been doing at-home ketamine therapy which you get a prescription it's fully legal there's no like wow yeah i didn't know it was legal yeah and i got a prescription you give

get these lozenges and it's depending on the dose, you go up. But it starts around 50 to 100 milligrams and goes up. It can go up to like 400 milligrams at high dose, high range. And it's what they consider and call a medicine-assisted meditation. Okay. So ketamine is different than like psilocybin, magic mushrooms, other psychedelics, ayahuasca, which is very – there might be a big purge. There are some really intense – you're really experiencing some maybe out-of-body experiences, hallucinations. This is more of a – in my experience, a very deep meditation.

Ketamine is a dissociative drug so it you sort of disassociate a bit from your body you don't feel as pain like pain at high doses of ketamine it's used as a anesthetic oh yeah for anesthesia um so we're not going that far with it by any means, but you're able to allow your subconscious mind in meditation because you have like an eye mask on and you're just, I'm at home in my bed with headphones and eye mask in a very relaxed, safe environment. Wow, I would do this. Yeah. See, when I think of psychedelics, I think of like hallucinating. No. So I'm like literally laying in my bed with an eye mask and headphones. And prior to the session, I just, you know, I like to set up my room very vibey. I get into the mood. I like write some intentions, kind of journal a little bit about where I am, what I'm hoping to get out of the session. And then I do some breath work um if you've ever heard of wim hof yeah i typically do

wim hof and then i take the medication allow it it's a laws and so it dissolves in my mouth hold it for 15 minutes and i spit it out and then i'm in a very relaxed state at that point and what happens is your subconscious mind kind of bubbles to the surface and sort of brings you just like what you need. For me, the first time I experienced it, I experienced it in two ways. One, it was like a genie in a bottle. I had this awareness, which I'd had before, but ketamine really solidified this. It's like I am a genie in a bottle.

And what I mean by that is the medicine helped me to come out of the bottle i could feel my the expansiveness of my being like tori as a spiritual being which is not just this body and this personality it's like my essence came it was like i'm connected to all things i can i feel my enormous like how big i am how powerful i am how much of a creative force i am that i'm connected to all of life and then i'm not separate i'm not alone like i'm one it was that oneness feeling and when i came out of the meditation, it was like, I fit back into the bottle, which is my body and my personality.

And, but I still had that awareness of like, I am, I'm not alone. Yeah. I'm connected and I'm, I'm okay. And that gives me a sense of,

okay, that's cool. That gives me a sense of, I'm, I'm not out here fending for myself and I can really f**k it up and it's all up to me. And the other perspective it gave me is sort of like that life is a coin. And what I mean by that is when before the session, I entered and I was seeing and perceiving my life, my situation, my circumstance, my relationships from a certain point of view as if I was like looking at it from tails.

And then the ketamine in the session actually flipped that coin over and I could see it from a different, I was like seeing it from heads, like almost like right side up. Or like I was, or my perspective like got shifted and i was like before i was turned upside down and now i was right side up and i could see things clearly i could had a whole different perspective and vantage point of my situation and it was from a place of love and not fear and anxiety and stress it was from just a deep sense of peace and super cool yeah i just did hypnosis therapy with dom the hypnotist. Okay. I've been hearing about this guy.

Yeah. I haven't met him yet. It actually sounds similar to this because he brings your subconscious forward. So your subconscious is talking to him and he's reprogramming all your traumas. Wow. Yeah. How was that for you? Oh,

great. So the first time it worked a little bit, but then he told me I need to open up my throat chakra more because it was pretty close. So he had me just start singing every day, like in the car, in the shower. And that actually opened it up. So two weeks later, we did another session and it worked amazing. Amazing. Yeah.

That's really cool. I would love to do that. Yeah. The subconscious mind is like the room in the house if you're in a house it's the room in your house that you're in with the lights are on yeah like that's your conscious mind it's like everything you can see in this room is lights and you're like oh i can bring my awareness to anything in this room. And then they described the subconscious mind as like all of the rooms that you've been in

in the house that you could enter into if you wanted to. It's like I could go there, I could bring that memory up, I could choose to walk in this room or that room or whatever. And then the unconscious mind is like all the rooms you've never been in

and everything around the property. Wow. And everything else. That's like the Akashic Records. Yes. Yeah. And so it's powerful to be able to access those alternate rooms and see what's in there and kind of look around and become aware of like, oh, I didn't know that this is actually affecting my behavior or the way I feel or whatever. Tori, it's been a pleasure.

Anything you want to close off with or promote? You know, I think the biggest thing is just encouraging people to recognize that there are alternative modalities and ways that you can find relief and healing and peace and joy in your life. And you can actually build a life that feels as good as it looks, but it requires you to say yes to that, to become open to that possibility. And if you're curious about what that looks like, obviously, please connect with me online. You can find me at TheToriGordon on all social media platforms and also on the Coachable podcast where we talk about a lot of stuff like this. Love it. Thanks so much for coming on, Tori. Thanks for having me. Thanks for watching as always, guys, and I'll see you tomorrow.