Digital Social Hour - Legal Battle with Prime? I Tom Bosworth DSH #456

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

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Thanks for having me, man. Yeah, you've accomplished a lot at your age. Yeah, it's been an interesting couple years. Yeah, because I feel like for lawyers, they don't really peak until late, but you've had some huge settlements already at 35. Yeah, I actually never thought I'd be a lawyer. Oh, yeah?

My dad was a cop, and my mom was a waitress, so I didn't think law schools would let me in. I didn't think I was up to snuff, so I'm grateful for all the successes. Yeah, that's a big change. Did you want to be a cop growing up? No way. My little brother's a cop, so he followed in my dad's footsteps like um and i love my dad and my brother but i get ragged on a lot during thanksgiving for being a lawyer but i never want to be a cop i would watch cops and be like can they do that like yeah cops pretty

stressful but so is being a lawyer yeah for sure there's both different types of stresses i guess definitely and you're dealing with one right now right a couple i guess i could i could list a lot for you for sure yeah and it's do you try to separate like the personal side from the the legal cases it's hard because i think old school lawyers would disagree with me but i actually think that you need to be emotionally invested in your client's case. Not overly, but like if you're not emotionally invested, I don't think you can be the best advocate.

And if you don't actually care, I don't think you can be the best advocate. So, but there's a balance there, right? Like, cause if I go home and I'm like consumed and I'm like with my kids and my wife,

that's not good either. So it's always like a delicate balance. But I think to remove the emotion is bad. Yeah, I kind of agree because as a consumer point of view, I've hired tons of lawyers. And when I can see that they're just doing it for money mainly and they're just treating it logically, it almost feels kind of weird.

Exactly. If they're not a little emotionally invested because a lot's on the line in some of these cases. Exactly. Like your whole livelihood, you're getting sued for a big amount or something. Yeah. And all the people that I represent, they've either lost someone who died, who they love, whether that's their child or their mom or whatever, or they've had a stroke or they're

paralyzed, like really big stuff. So if I'm like going in there like, hello, you know, emotionless, it's not great. Absolutely. Yeah. So you were the youngest lawyer to get an eight-figure settlement in Pennsylvania? Eight-figure verdict, which would be just the jury verdict as opposed to settlement is out of court agreement. But this was an in-court jury verdict. But yeah.

What happened in that case uh a woman in her 50s had a spinal mass in her spine that was growing over many years and she was basically blown off by her doctor her primary care doctor she was going to him and he was basically gaslighting her and saying like oh well you're overweight you work a lot like because she was having back pain and like and eventually numbness and tingling in her legs which is like spinal cord 101 problem like needed an mri needed a cat scan he never sent her for one he never sent her to a specialist to look at her spine or anything he just kind of wrote it off until eventually she like her legs gave out wow and she ended up on her own in a neurologist's office

who took one look at her and was like, holy smokes, we need an MRI. They found the mass, they operated, but unfortunately by then she couldn't walk without a walker. Her ability to go to the bathroom was affected. Her ability to live alone, everything. She lost her job. Ironically, she actually worked for the same health system

that she ended up having to sue. She was a lab tech for that same health system. After? No, before for her whole career. So she would be the person, like if you go get your blood drawn or you do a urine test, she would be the person who would transport that from the hospital where you are to the lab to test it. right so she worked for that company that is crazy yeah wow and then they like

fired her because she couldn't work anymore which tech would they were correct she couldn't work anymore but then in court this is what gets me about like insurance companies and defense lawyers is that in court they then like changed their tune and hired a bunch of paid experts to come in and say like oh she's really not disabled she really can work and when they had hired they had fired her interesting yeah yeah wow that must have dragged on for a while right because the fact you went to court probably took years to get that like three or four holy crap yeah i feel like the system's very long. It is. If you go the full way. It is.

And the defense lawyers that get paid by the hour, they love that because whether they win or lose, they get paid. Right. So I only get paid if I win. But yeah, it's really overwhelming for people going through the process because they're like, for better or worse, they're like a cog in the system and they kind of suffer those consequences of having to wait. Yeah. Yeah. I like your way better because I've paid the hourly. I paid the retainer model.

It just adds up, dude. Yeah, it does. For real. Yeah. And sometimes you're like, wait, I just called you. Like kind of a normal convo. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't love that. it's insane i feel like your model's more aligned with the consumer it is no doubt but it's also like we get the most stigma like the ambulance chaser meant um label like the insurance industry the corporate industry has done a really good job at like demonizing victim lawyers but nobody even knows or seems to care like you've had personal experience but like hourly rate lawyers on the other side where you know someone's ruined someone's life and they're negligent and the lawyer knows it and everyone knows it but they're like i don't care i'm gonna drag it out because i get paid by the hour for real i got hit with 400k bill this guy was 515

hours so the whole year was 400k yeah i mean that's insane yeah it is and they just keep piling it up yeah exactly um so let's see 248 000 followers on tiktok as a lawyer that's pretty high yeah was that something you planned to do a lot of social media marketing to acquire clients? Not even close. Oh, really? I was in vacation and my wife was like, who's way more tech savvy than me. Like I wish she was here because she would make fun of me about how little I know how to do online. But she's like, you should do TikToks. Like I had a TikTok account, but I never got any views. I didn't do law videos.

I was like, nobody wants to hear a lawyer. But I did a video on medical malpractice and it got like 40 000 views i was like holy crap so i just started doing them and i i i do them i love the ability to spread information and awareness in a way like i think tiktok does that really well um in a way that reaches a ton of people. So I've gotten clients from it, but I didn't wake up one day like, oh, all right, I'm going to push social media. I just did it and it happened. Nice. Yeah.

So how common is medical malpractice? Way more common than people realize. There's a study that was done that said it's basically the third leading cause of death in the country. Johns Hopkins did a study on this. So people think of it as rare, and I think the health industry wants us to think of it as rare, but it's not at all.

It happened to me when I was in like fifth grade. Really? Yeah. I went to get my ears checked, and I don't know what she was doing to my ear, but it ended up bleeding, and then I got an ear infection all from just a regular visit. and i didn't even know what to do because at the time i was one of those people who just like blindly trusted the doctor before i got into this field like i would be the person

that's like well they said this so it's okay and like now i realize like you have to be your own advocate and you kind of have to be savvy and understand that how the system works because it is a system and it is a business. Right. And one of your tips for people is not to go to the ER alone, right? If you can avoid it. Now, obviously, I don't want people to be lying on the ground at their apartment, not calling the ambulance so they can get someone.

But ideally, you want someone there because you want a witness and you want somebody who's there. every not every case just about every case i have yeah the doctors or the nurses or whoever's on the other side like either dispute that something happened or go so far as to say that something in the medical records didn't happen like craziness that is easy to kind of rebut when there's someone else there but they defend these cases not based on what actually happened a lot of times but what they think they can get away with absolutely and some of these prices man i mean i just went to the er with my friend she had a panic attack twelve thousand dollars yeah isn't that crazy it's criminal i mean that's insane for two hours of i don't know, they did a couple scans and stuff, but nothing intense.

It's disgusting, yeah. I think it's a product of politicians sucking, meaning not holding corporations accountable. Because the only reason they can charge that much is because they're allowed to. And it's just, yeah, it's out of control. We asked for an itemized bill, they they're making us mail a letter like this crazy process that's going to take three weeks just to get the itemized bill dude you should fight it yeah yeah yeah it seems this was a principle of it but like they get away with it yeah and i think it's from their vantage point they're like oh well even if they fight this like maybe we'll settle it for $10,000. But that should never cost that much.

I know. That's the reality. I might fight it just out of principle. Yeah. You also recommend people not to use baby powder, which a lot of people do, right? Yeah, a lot of people. A lot of people use that for their babies.

For sure. Yeah, there's been in the Johnson & Johnson cases involving, technically it's called telk powder. I mean, the brand name is baby powder, but they found asbestos fibers in some of the Johnson and Johnson product. A friend of mine, a colleague, Mark Lanier, who's a really well-known civil trial lawyer, got a multi-billion dollar verdict against Johnson & Johnson. I think he was the first lawyer to expose the asbestos in the talc powder. Prior to then, there had been litigation, but there hadn't been a focus on the asbestos,

and it can actually cause ovarian cancer. Jeez. Yeah, so women that, mostly women, that have used it since they were little kids and babies have been really exposing themselves to this carcinogen, which doesn't mean that every person that's used it is going to get this, but there's definitely a causative link. Yeah.

Isn't it crazy how products we used on a daily basis growing up are now we're finding out they cause cancer and all this stuff, health issues. Yeah. Like even like toothpaste and like deodorant floss floss everything everything we use growing up every day it's not it really is actually yeah i mean it's a lot of money for lawyers though yeah um i'd rather the world be safe but but it is true yeah now now with round, I mean, that was a daily thing on the lawn when I was growing up. Yeah, that's crazy.

Monsanto, the all-loving Monsanto, made Roundup. And it's interesting because they've been fighting these cases in court for years. And the main ingredient that is alleged to be bad is glyphosate which is but so monsanto took glyphosate out of roundup remarketed it without glyphosate put it back on the shelf but then they go into courtrooms and say there's nothing wrong with glyphosate so there's this tension between in these big corporate cases there's this tension between what is real and in reality and then what the company is actually doing a courtroom right it's really interesting i think most people assume like they're playing by the rules and

they're not they're just like manipulating evidence or trying to manipulate evidence to to get an outcome. Interesting. Oh, so they removed it completely, but in court they're saying it's fine. Exactly. Wow, I didn't even know about that. Yeah, I had a doctor on Lane Kilpatrick. He said glyphosate's in 60% of rain now. Yeah, it's everywhere.

It's crazy. I don't know if you know about PCBs, polychlorinated biphenyls, another Monsanto product. Thanks, Monsanto. But they're like in baby's blood. And like I actually am involved in the case in my hometown in Massachusetts, which was one of the biggest PCB Superfund sites in the world where I represent a bunch of kids who have cancer. People don't believe me when I say this, but their playground in this elementary school was built with PCB-drenched soil. Whoa. That General Electric, the company, sold to the town back in 1950 to build the elementary school.

But they used soil from their plant that had been drenched in PCBs. And PCBs have been banned since 1979 in the United States from all use. So think about the things that we already consume that are terrible, that are legal. Like even, even our country said in 1979, like we're not doing this anymore, but they're, but they're, they don't biodegrade. So they're, they're just permanently like in the environment. That is crazy. So kids were playing on that playground for 70 years.

The school's still open. And it's still there? People are still playing on it right now? Yeah, if you look at the playground, like a picture of it, in the background you can see the landfill, the PCB landfill, like the mountain. It's right up against the home plate backstop of the baseball field. That is terrible.

And these kids are just playing on it, not even knowing. And now they have cancer? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That's terrible, man. Yeah. Yeah, if our country banned it, that's next level.

But it's like a small town I grew up in, right? So it didn't get as much exposure as it ever should have. And I was like, this is messed up. Yeah, that's super messed up. So a lot of this just comes down to big companies looking to make margin and not really care about side effects. 100%. Are you interested in coming on the Digital Social Hour podcast as a guest? We'll click the application link below in the description of this video.

We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life. Click the application link below. And here's the episode, guys. That seems to be like most of these cases yeah and they the companies people don't realize how sinister it gets because a lot of the companies actually they literally bake into their financial calculations the litigation risk so it's not even like an oopsie daisy like oh man this like what is no they're like aware of it and know it's going to either hurt or kill people um the most famous case is the gm ignition switch case which was um a products

liability case where certain general motors cars were defective the ignition switch was was defective and was causing all these unintended crashes g GM knew about it, and they wrote this internal memo basically calculating how many people are going to die, how many people are going to get hurt, and how much are we going to have to pay out. Wow. And then the conclusion was something like, and I'm paraphrasing, but the conclusion was like,

eh? It's like they looked at their numbers, and they're like, well, we we're gonna make a lot of money and that case came out through civil civil jury trials which is why civil jury trials are really important one of the reasons but but um you know that's something that like as a member of the public like at least me i would never think that would even exist yeah but that that's real that's super sinister i thought it, they just didn't know and they weren't aware, but the fact that they're building it in advance, that they're pretty aware

of the health risks. Definitely. Holy crap. That is scary, man. So I'm here to lighten the mood. Yeah. No, this is important to get out though, because people don't even know about this. For real. They just see the lawsuit and think it was an accident, but it was all planned. Wow. You were just baked into their numbers yeah exactly that's that man so you started your own firm two years ago a year and six months ago nice yeah what was that process like was it tough transitioning into that yeah it was it was it was an unexpected transition for me and um but it's like the greatest thing in the world i love it so much i don't know about you but no i, I love it. I like being my own boss. Yeah.

I think it's good to get experience working for someone else or mentored, but nothing beats your own. I mean, you're just in control. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good feeling. Also, everything falls on you though. That's true.

The risk is higher, much higher. But you had that safety net from working for X amount of years beforehand. So I think that's a smart way to do it. Some people dive into it right after college and they're already in debt and it's tough. I also think our generation is more willing

to take on that risk. Like the old school mentality was like, you get a job and my parents and my grandparents, they're like, you get a job, you never leave. Don't leave your job. That's crazy. I grew up in a blue-collar household. So it was like, you get a job you never leave right don't leave your job that's crazy i grew up in like a blue collar household so it's like you know you get a job don't don't screw it up but i think we're in a totally different age now especially younger people absolutely you also told people not to use self-drive on their teslas yeah man and i'm

gonna get elon coming after this but but uh I don't proclaim to be a software engineer or necessarily an expert. But there have been software engineers at Tesla who have come out and talked about sort of this tension between where the technology is at and what the leadership of the company is telling the public about it. Like, you know, in every innovation and every technological advance, you want to push things like that, which I respect and understand. But at the same time, there has to be consideration of safety. So I think even within the company, there's been kind of a sort of a sticking point between, is this developed enough? Is this reliable enough enough is it safe enough

versus let's get it out on the street and i think you've seen some of the effects of that with some of the the crashes that have occurred with the technology um but i i probably get called a hypocrite for this but i i do on balance still think tesla as a company is doing a tremendous amount for safety yeah like if you look at the overarching numbers and what they're doing i do think they're in environmentally too i have one i'm a little scared i'm seeing these conspiracy theories about kill switches have you seen those no what's that they'll be able to shut your car off from like a distance that's freaky you're just driving 80 miles per hour and they just shut it off like the company like just in general with

electric vehicles like a hacker can get in and just shut your car that's terrifying and it also seems possible i'm not i'm not like an expert but that's freaky i mean hackers are good these days yeah you ever deal with any cases like involving hackers no thank god well sometimes these hospitals get hacked and all your data gets leaked. That's terrifying. Yeah. It happens to law firms too. Oh, yeah. Which is terrible for like a client, right? Because like your most personal and sensitive information, your health records, all that.

Yeah. And a lot of these hospitals seems kind of outdated with the way they store and keep information. For sure. And that's probably why there's a lot of misdiagnoses and stuff because a lot of it's handwritten still. The doctors have terrible handwriting. Yeah. Do you see that a lot of misdiagnosis and stuff because a lot of it's handwritten still the doctors have terrible handwriting uh yeah do you see that a lot yeah i'm like going through records like what is that like and then you have to take their testimony and you're like what does that say i've even had some of them like i don't even know like you wrote it at least they're honest yeah exactly yeah i mean i could barely read my own sometimes same i mean when i'm

in a rush. Oh, dude, you should see me during trial. I write in big letters with a Sharpie on a notepad, but you wouldn't be able to read it if I paid you. It's not good. Do you raise your voice in trial? Are you very animated? Sometimes, but not all the time. I think you have to be authentic.

Not that you're not there to persuade, you're not – you're like representing one side, right? But jurors are human beings and human beings have really good meters. Excuse me. But they have really good ability to look at someone I think and say like, are they being authentic? Do they mean what they say? Are they being authentic? Do they mean what they say? Are they being sincere? And I think if you can't do that in a courtroom, you're in deep trouble. Right.

So some lawyers brag about their record. They're like, I've never lost a case. Is that something you care about, your winning record? I care about it. But any lawyer who's like the top creme de la creme trial lawyer, like they've lost cases. Oh, yeah. They don't talk about them as much.

Like I've just lost my first trial. wow um a couple months ago and so but i found that like in the field it's like taboo to talk about your losses yeah which i think is stupid i mean like the best trial lawyers in the world lose cases and if they're being honest and i've talked to them all they're like yeah if you're trying enough cases you're going to lose some of them and you're going, yeah, if you're trying enough cases, you're going to lose some of them and you're going to win some cases that you should have lost and you're going to lose some that you should have won. But the important part is knowing, frankly, in my field, the insurance company and the defendants have to know

you can go in there in the courtroom and cause damage and get a big verdict. Otherwise, they're not going to change. Do you ever see these companies change at all after big verdicts? Only after repeat blows. I think there's always this initial, when there's a big verdict, there's usually an initial denial phase by the company of like, we're still right and we're going to appeal.

But over time, and you see this with Roundup, I i think they've kind of racked up some big verdicts um in an ideal society you you you want to see them change do they actually i think sometimes but i also think a lot of times they they're like well it's just the cost of doing business but you hear that all the time these big companies and i still see roundup in every store I go to. I don't think they stopped selling that. Yeah, no, they didn't. Crazy. I don't know if you want to touch on the Prime stuff,

but that's how I found out about you, that Prime video you made. Which Prime? No, I'm kidding. Yeah, no, that's been a wild, wild roller coaster for sure. Yeah. What compelled you to make that video? Were you really passionate about it? So I was contacted, and a lot of lot of i think this got lost in translation but a lot i was contacted

by a father of a young boy who's 10 who's actually was just hospitalized he has leukemia and so he was drinking a lot of prime and the dad didn't come to me saying like oh i know prime caused it but he had already seen the the class action lawsuit which i didn't even to me saying like, oh, I know Prime caused it, but he had already seen the class action lawsuit, which I didn't even file, but which alleged there were forever chemicals, which they're just forever chemicals are just nasty. And so, you know, this is my, this is what I do for a living. So it really wasn't any thing other than another case I was going to investigate and still am investigating. More will be revealed on that front. But I did the video because I did think it was a matter of public importance.

I, as we sit here today, think it's a matter of public importance. Whether or not the allegations are true or not, I think it's something people ought to know, right? And there's been a lot of blowback, like, oh, you can say anything in a lawsuit. Like, yes and no. Like, you can say anything in a lawsuit. Like, yes and no. Like, you can't say anything. Like, if you say things that are unsupported by evidence or false, there are specific rules in the law that allow the defendant, in this case Logan Paul or Prime, to file a sanctions motion against whatever lawyer filed it.

So there's ways for defendants, if they really believe the allegations are way out of left field, to address that. As far as I can tell, Logan Paul's never way out of left field to address that. As far as I can tell, Logan Paul's never done that. Prime's never done that. So it begs the question, you know, where does the truth lie? And I think that's why we have court cases. It will play itself out. But I don't regret talking about it. And I don't, you know, despite getting a very, very aggressive letter from a corporate law firm.

A corporate law firm, might I say, who represents chemical companies and big corporations involved in all sorts of toxic lawsuits, also representing Prime. So that was interesting. But I deal with those people all the time. Yeah. I used to be so scared of cease and desist when I was younger.

Like, for real when i was in my teenage years doing e-commerce i would get some would you really yeah and they used to scare out of me uh just like people just send them on shopify if you have similar products you my wife did e-commerce yeah so she might have even got one right and uh yeah but now they're just like whatever i mean there's there's levels to. If you get a demand and then you get like a lawsuit. Well, what's funny is – I don't know if it's funny, but I've got all these people commenting on my video like – I think they're like 17, 18-year-old kids.

Yeah. And I was 17 and 18 too, so no hate. But like they're like, you're done, bro. I'm like, no. Like I'm good. And like you're going to be like without a lawyer i'm like i have multiple lawyers in different states so i'm not you probably went to law school with so many lawyers i mean they'll just help you out yeah um that's crazy but there is honestly

there's an irony here in my opinion with like logan paul made his name for lack of a better way of putting it like on social media like doing videos like being an influencer right yeah and my video that sparked this whole thing was which got 16 million views was speaking publicly about a a public document, a lawsuit, and trying to raise awareness about it. And Logan Paul didn't like that very much. I just think there's a little irony. I used the mechanism and medium, social media, that he's adept at. So it's just an interesting thing. That video blew up, and that was before you took it down it probably would have got even more views which is crazy but honestly dude there's

forever chemicals i'm not saying it's in prime but there's forever chemicals in tap water like it's pretty common that it's in stuff absolutely people don't know that yeah and like what bugged me about the whole like controversy following my videos wasn't the personal attacks on me. It wasn't the comments. It was the fact that less people cared about what Forever Chemicals are and how prevalent they are and whether companies are doing anything about it. That hasn't been focused on. Not at all. Which I know in the social media world, I can't control like what catches people's attention but as like a as a trial lawyer who cares about this stuff i'm like guys like yeah focus on well

they just want the drama they don't even care about exactly from forever chemicals which they should exactly because that damages your health a lot for sure yeah yeah and it's in a lot of tap water yeah that's what's crazy too and i think think like Logan Paul's video referenced, oh, well, we have these technologies like filtration systems. And if that's true, that's awesome, right? I think that should be the standard for any beverage company. For sure. tap water um granted you didn't put it there but if you're going to sell products to people you got to do something about it yeah one question i had with logan's was like did you install this is my lawyer brain yeah did you install that before or after you got sued because i do see a lot of times where there's big lawsuits involving chemical exposure or allegations and the defendant does a bunch of stuff they could have done or should have done before the fact in response. That's true.

Yeah. That's something a lawyer would notice. How many people are part of that class action? Did they publicize that number yet? So by virtue of it being a class action, it covers like it automatically covers anybody who fits within the definition of the the class in the lawsuit so the lawyer actually gets to define the class in the lawsuit so the way i didn't and i don't know what it is off the top my head here but usually it's defined by like any person aged blank through blank who drank prime or drank this they can define it any way they want, really. So it's definitely a lot of people.

Got it. Did that lawyer who filed it reach out to you after your video? No. Oh, he didn't? I sent the videos to him because I wanted him to be aware that they had been made because those are statements being made by a defendant in a lawsuit. Logan Paul.

Well, Logan Paul's not a defendant. Prime Hydration is, but one of the heads of the company is making public statements that are directly relevant to that lawsuit. Interesting. I wonder if this is the first lawsuit against a drink, like Gatorade's huge, there's other big drinks.

That's a good question. This is the first one I've seen, at least. Yeah, and I think, yeah, there's all sorts of dyes in certain drinks oh my gosh red dyes i don't know if you like heard about all that red dye five yeah yeah yeah i mean it's banned everywhere else but not here and that's just lobbying right just paying off the right people yeah yeah yeah so big food and western medicine all in bed they really are scary well one of the the um uh gary brekka who no but he did a video on like the the recommended diet for someone with diabetes and i'm not an expert on this but it was like

all like bad food i was like what for diabetes yeah it was like orange juice drink a glass of orange juice and eat the like a bagel or i exactly, but it just struck me as like not what someone who's diabetic should be eating. Interesting. Yeah, he is very polarizing. But I've done his health test and his blood test and his gene test and I've seen results personally. Nice. Yeah.

Are you big on like Eastern or do you lean more towards Western? Like if I get like stabbed, I'm going to go to the hospital. But I think we've got it backwards in this country. I mean, I think we've totally got it backwards. We focus on treating a disease when the process that brought that disease about was like reversible or avoidable. We don't talk about that enough. I think it's shifting like I think you and I talked about before we got on here.

But I'm very much about trying to prevent the problem. Absolutely. Tom, it's been fun, man. Anything you want to promote or close off with? No, no. Your law firm? Bosworth Law is my law firm. So I'm on TikTok, I'm Tommy the lawyer, and I have a real old school webpage. Got it. We'll link it below. You take cases in PA, right? Yep. And I get asked to represent people across the country. it below you take cases in pa right yep and i get um asked to

represent people like across the country so i do take cases on nationwide i have to affiliate with um whoever is like in that particular state like a lawyer but i'm able to got it below thanks for coming out man that was fun thanks man yeah absolutely thanks for watching guys as always see you tomorrow