Digital Social Hour - NEVER Do This: Top Sports Bettor Exposes Industry Lies | Tyson Nguyen DSH #1023

Episode Date: December 27, 2024

NEVER Do This: Top Sports Bettor Exposes Industry Lies 🚫💰 Tune in now as we sit down with Tyson, one of the hottest sports bettors in the game! 🔥 At just 19, he's shaking up the industry and ...revealing shocking truths you won't hear anywhere else. Discover how Tyson built a thriving business, retired his parents, and amassed a following of over 120,000 members in the biggest sports betting Discord. 📈 Learn about the real risks of sports betting, insider strategies, and why 99.8% of bettors lose in the long run. From his unconventional start at age 5 to his current success, Tyson shares invaluable insights on bankroll management, avoiding common pitfalls, and the truth behind those tempting parlay bets. 🎰 He also opens up about his journey as an Asian-American entrepreneur and the challenges he faced dropping out of high school. Don't miss out on this eye-opening conversation that exposes industry lies and offers a realistic perspective on sports betting. Whether you're a seasoned bettor or just curious about the world of sports gambling, this episode is packed with valuable insights you can't afford to miss! Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and learn why Tyson believes in giving back to his community and helping others succeed. Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more captivating stories and expert advice! 📺 #prizepicks #nflbets #footballbettingpredictionsfortoday #nbaplayerprops #bettingtipstoday #nflpicks #prizepicks #nflbets #footballpredictionstoday #bet365 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:32 - Tyson's Journey into Sports Betting 05:00 - Control in Sports Betting 07:36 - Building a Successful Sports Betting Discord 17:25 - Approaching Your Sports Betting Business 19:10 - The Sports Betting Industry's Reputation 21:08 - Developing Innovative Betting Software 28:40 - Retiring Parents at a Young Age 33:30 - Launching a Free Sports Betting Platform 35:10 - Discord Challenges 36:30 - Importance of a Financial Safety Net 37:46 - Significance of Tattoos 40:27 - Cultivating Mental Strength 46:03 - Early Business Ventures 49:20 - Importance of Taking Action 50:40 - Navigating the 9-5 Grind 52:30 - Dealing with Fake Touts 54:10 - Understanding Red Streaks 55:25 - Real Insights into Sports Betting 57:36 - Finding Tyson’s Betting Picks 57:43 - Closing Thoughts APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: jenna@digitalsocialhour.com GUEST: Tyson Nguyen https://www.instagram.com/securedtys https://www.youtube.com/@SecuredPicks/videos LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:10 I sat down with my mom before I even started talking bro. Just to grab her like, hey mom can we go talk? Crying everywhere bro. Like I swear the anxiety and stress you get just from telling your parents that you don't want to go to college is unreal She's always been so supportive of me, but for some reason with culture and college is so different. We're live, Digital Social Hour here with Tyson, one of the hottest sports bettors right now there. Thanks for coming on, first podcast as well. Yeah, it is. Super excited though, but got a little butterflies and stuff, so, but we're chillin, we're chillin. You're chillin, bro. And you're 19 in the sports betting space. Yeah, I'm 19, which people kind of get confused because they're like, how can you sports it when you're 19?
Starting point is 00:02:46 But prize picks chalkboard and stuff is like 18. At least when I first started they you could be 18 now it's 19 I feel like they lowered it cuz I thought it was 21, but maybe it's always been that yeah It actually has it's 21 for like traditional books like draft Kings Vandal, but prize picks I guess they want to hit everyone so they they're 18 and up now or 19 up now So yeah, so pretty much the second year illegal adult you could become a degenerate Yeah, and you've been able to figure it out fast because I feel like most people don't get good at sports betting until they're way older Yeah, that's that's honestly mainly because I've been sports training since I was a little kid like there's pictures of me like five years old Playing poker with my family like wow with like my Christmas money birthday money 20, 20 bucks, 40 bucks, whatever it is, I'm gambling.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Like that's just always been, it's like an addiction, right? So I've always been used to, I've been exposed to gambling a lot. So I know like the exact mentality of it. Like anytime I go on social media or go on live or whatever, I'm like, I know you're thinking right now, you're gonna do this, you're gonna do this. And they're like, how the fuck?
Starting point is 00:03:41 I'm like, dude, because every gambler generally thinks the same. But that's why also I'm like the books know this shit They know what you want now Why do you think their ads and stuff hit hella hard and the second you're on that platform you lose it all yeah That's why I always try to get people to like you know Lock in and then like just be a lot better and then they end up They like no matter what if you have good strategies you will win more
Starting point is 00:04:02 You might not win just in general cuz gambling is harder, but you will win more. That's like almost a guarantee. Yeah, that's interesting. So you grew up around gambling though. You said you were playing poker at five. Yes, bro. Like, so there's a thing called Chinese New Year's. So we'll gamble and it's like a whole week, at least in my family,
Starting point is 00:04:18 it's a whole week of gambling, like poker, a bunch of different games and stuff like that. And you're just, I was exposed to gambling. I like actually more like four or five years old but like when I gained consciousness at five or six years old, I was like gambling and it was like the second Chinese New Year's ended, all I'm talking about was like okay when's the next Chinese New Year's? Because it's you know the moon calendar, the lunar calendar. Yeah. So it's like when is it gonna be because on Chinese New Year's you get like 10, 20 bucks from your family as a gift. You throw that all back in gambling.
Starting point is 00:04:45 So I learned poker, like Chinese poker really early on. Like I was competing with like my adults, like my uncles, like my mom, my dad, whatever, on the same level as them with poker. So growing up around sports betting, I was always used to that like mentality of any type of bet. Wow. So they taught you at a young age. Yeah. It's pretty bad.
Starting point is 00:05:04 But it's like, I'm thankful for it. It's pretty bad. Like, so they taught you at a young age. Yeah, it's pretty bad, but it's good. I'm thankful for it. It's pretty bad. My parents are, that's just the culture with Asian culture. A lot of other cultures have it too. But I think I just took off with it because a lot of people could probably resonate with this. Like they always have at least one or two family members
Starting point is 00:05:21 with gambling addictions, right? Like, oh, my uncle or aunt lost all their money in gambling, so I had those people too. So I always knew what to look for and what not to do. Like, the biggest skill you can have is learn from other people's mistakes. Right. Like, you don't have to necessarily make the mistakes
Starting point is 00:05:34 of yourself, you know? So that's pretty much how it all started, like, as a youngin'. So that being said, did you ever lose anything, lose everything? Oh, growing up? Oh, hell yeah. Hell of times. Like, some, this one New Year anything, lose everything? Oh, growing up? Oh, hell yeah. Hell of times.
Starting point is 00:05:45 This one New Year's, I was down like 200 bucks. And as a five-year-old, I was probably like seven or eight. As a five-year-old, 200 bucks is like, I felt like I lost the lottery. I felt like I won the lottery by 200. Like, $200 was a lot at that time, but I lost it all. And my uncle, he tried to teach me a lesson. So he won my money, right?
Starting point is 00:06:04 Cause I was like full degenerate. I was like, oh, I lost 20 bucks. Give me back 50 bucks. And I kept doubling it. Cause you know that mental, Oh, if I keep doubling eventually I'll win. I don't believe in that shit. Yeah, I don't believe in that shit.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Like, because my uncle was like, okay, I'll just keep doing this, keep doing this. And he ended up winning 200 bucks, right? It was like four bets in a row. I was stupid. And he ended up winning all my cousin's money and gave all my cousin's money back Wow that's some Dana White shit and he didn't give mine back and I was just sitting in the corner like fuck like well my life sucks I just ruined all this stuff but I wasn't
Starting point is 00:06:36 mad at him I was mad at the fact that I did stupid shit and just like kept throwing it on the board like why why are you like so emotional right right that's kind of like but it's not like, oh, you get a flip. The next year I was doing the same thing. So it's like, it takes so many years to actually get to that point to when I hit 18 and then now I can actually be on these books and now it's different.
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Starting point is 00:08:11 From football to basketball and hockey to baseball, whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet 365. Must be 19 or older, Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you or someone you know has concerns about gambling, visit connectsontario.ca. that's essentially how it all started to yeah and do you feel like with sports betting you have the most control a sports betting at times yes but with sports betting whenever someone asks me
Starting point is 00:08:36 that it's like oh are there factors or you can control to a certain extent you can't control anything because you can't control the lines you can't control when they drop well you can't control is what's going on up here, right? So like most sports bettors, it's like if you do the math, so like plus EV for instance, like statistically you have an edge over the books if you find those certain props. But the thing is, it's like that is assuming that you as a person can run one unit every bet for hundreds
Starting point is 00:09:01 and hundreds of bet. Realistically, no human out there can emotionally control what they're betting. So what you can control is your emotion, how many bets you place, what type of games you bet on, the sports you bet on, all that stuff that you can control, then you have way more of an advantage compared to you last week.
Starting point is 00:09:18 And then you have to just take what the books give you, right, because we can't do anything about that. You can run more promos. Like some books will have no limit promos like chalkboard one of my books that I run It's like they'll give you a discounted prop and they won't put a limit on it Most books will put like a $10 limit because why would they give you an edge but chalkboard no limit? I'll throw two grand on that cash out for five grand and it's like you have the highest odds of hitting so you have to be really selective about things and the things that you can control
Starting point is 00:09:47 is not gambling every day. You don't need to be gambling every single day. A lot of people, they're just full degenerate mode, which is fine, we all like to have fun. But at the same time, if you're going full degenerate mode and at the end of the day you lose, don't tweak out because you're gonna do the same thing, full degenerate mode.
Starting point is 00:10:02 So you have to try and get out of that cycle and that loop. So the things that I try and control is just my mental state. So like, if I lose, I truly kind of act like it's paper trading because if you act like you're sitting there, oh fuck, I just lost rent money. I just lost this. So I'll bet two, five, 10 grand a bet each slip. And that's just how it is because I think of it more
Starting point is 00:10:24 as like units and slips. So if I'm down six grand and my units are two grand, I'm down three units. Three units, you could win that back by winning one slip, like one and a half slips, whatever, but it's not that serious how I like to think of it. The people who lose the most are the ones that take it so serious.
Starting point is 00:10:41 It's okay to take it serious because you know it's money. We work hard for that money, but at the same time you worked hard for that money. Why are you being stupid with it? Right? Think of the logic. So it's like, if you're going to like, it's like, it's not the lottery where you're just putting in random numbers. It's like you can make calculated decisions. You may have a slight little less edge, but you still are in control of that. Absolutely. So when did the Discord start? Because you have the biggest Discord in the sports betting
Starting point is 00:11:08 space, right? Yeah, so we have 120,000 members. We're gaining like 10, 20,000 members a week right now. Crazy. We kind of plateaued during MOB, because MOB is MOB. But yeah, NFL, NBA, we're on a hot streak. But the Discord started really when I turned 18. So I was sports betting for years, right?
Starting point is 00:11:24 I don't know if I'm sports betting for years, right? I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but I would use my family's books and stuff, like get on user IDs and stuff. But I would always be on those books, I was always gambling. But once I turned 18, now I can publicly say, oh, I'm gambling, right?
Starting point is 00:11:36 So, I created the Discord because I, when I first started, actually was like, all right, I'm low-key addicted to sports betting, it's kind of hard to stop. How do I become good at it? I took a bunch of money that I had from like prior businesses and just working because I used to be a waiter too at a restaurant. I had 10 grand. Uh, well, I say I like 20 grand, but I took 10 grand and put that in my price fix account and blew it all. I lost it all. Like everything gone.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Dan, how long? Uh, like in a week. But that's how, that's how like degenerate degeneracy works. When you lose once, you go full throttle, and you go full throttle. It's like when you're in that position, that's why I always tell people, I know, I know, because shit, that was me. So when I first started Securepix,
Starting point is 00:12:16 that's the name of my Discord, it was really to help people, because I had joined a bunch of other communities as I was coming up, as I was trying to get better. But back then it was over two years ago so there wasn't that many communities. And if there were, they were pretty ass. Like the people at the top were either of two things.
Starting point is 00:12:33 They were profitable but their group was just terrible. And they weren't profitable which is the majority. Most people don't actually profit. And their group is just terrible. For like a lot of the times they don't tell you why they like a bet. They don't tell you how much to place a bet. They don't even place a bet with you.
Starting point is 00:12:46 They'll crop out how much they put on a slip. It's like, if you want me to put a thousand dollars on a slip, you won't even show me how much you put. So I started my community because I saw, from a business side of things, I saw that I could turn this into a business to help people, obviously, because the more value I provide, the more money I make.
Starting point is 00:13:01 And as on an actual helping side. So when I started Secured Picks, the reason why we blew up is because I was just going on tik tok and Instagram every day Saying guys prize picks want you to do this These books want you to do this do this and everyone's like holy shit that helped that helped doing this help doing this help And then like people I meet in real life right all the time I get recognized They immediately go do you helped me out so much. Even if we're red that week, like, cause you know, cold streaks, very normal.
Starting point is 00:13:28 I'll get nervous. I'll be like, damn, I hope. With Uber Reserve, good things come to those who plan ahead. Family vacay? Reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights. To all the planners, now you can reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance.
Starting point is 00:13:43 See Uber app for details. People don't get upset at me for losing, but they always say, dude, your strategies help me. No matter what, even if you get unlucky that week, your strategies help me. So when I first started Secure Picks, we blew up to the moon. The first day I launched, I swear, the first day,
Starting point is 00:13:59 made the Discord live, we gained 8,000 members. Because my TikTok video went viral of a free play, I dropped a free NBA play and then I dropped another one the next day and they both hit easily, which is also comes into luck to like, I also lowkey got blessed on that. So 8,000 people joined, they tailed it all and they're like, dude, cash, right? And then throughout the months I was just putting in more strategies, refining my own strategies as well, building a team. And as I'm making more money from sports betting
Starting point is 00:14:25 and the Discord itself, I'm reinvesting that in the same way any business would, like you're going to make money, you reinvest it. So I hired strategists, like the best strategists, the best like, just people to really help guide me, helped my sports betting, and then now I can bring that to everyone else. Like I'm spending tens and tens and thousands of dollars
Starting point is 00:14:44 on advisors. These guys get it for $15. That's how much my group is too. So people always ask me, oh you sell picks just for money. It's like, it's $15. $15 for years of strategies, the best picks of the day,
Starting point is 00:14:57 we're working nonstop. I have a team of 12 staff, my staff is 12 people. They're all on payroll, it's $15 bro. You know what I mean? So we're doing this for the community, yes, but at the same time we're still a business.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And so my personal sports betting journey has been crazy. Discord's been crazy. It's like, I wanna get to the point where everyone is just in this community just getting way better. Like we're at the point where we'll come up with strategies like, oh, we'll run correlation bets. So we used to run a lot of correlation plays. What's a correlation bet?
Starting point is 00:15:28 So a correlation bet is like, so it's where you're betting on a team to like hand in hand help each other. Like, so you're betting on the quarterback and then you're betting on the wide receiver. Got it. Because if the quarterback does good, the wide receiver will most likely do good.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Or let's say like that there's just a correlation in the bets, so we used to run a lot of that, and we were printing, right? Now the books, they flagged it, so now we can't run correlation bets that much. If you do it too much, they flag your account. Yeah, so it's like, exactly, they'll ban you,
Starting point is 00:15:55 those type of things, so me personally, I have to figure out ways to help my community in general while still making sure that it's possible. So plus EV, correlation plays, all these things where it's like fancy terms, but basically it's like, imagine if you're playing blackjack, the dealer always has the edge. So in a sense, the player gets the edge over the books by doing all these fancy little terms.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Right. Yeah. So. Cause these books have probably crazy algorithms to make the lines. Yes, exactly. So it's like they're, they're algorithms and they're like staff and team. I don't know how they do it, but when to make the lines. Exactly, so it's like their algorithms and their like staff and team, I don't know how they do it but when they make these lines, they're so exact. They're like down to the yard like 27.5 yards, why not 28 yards? Like you know what I mean? So, but the thing is like those players will always land right there.
Starting point is 00:16:40 So their goal, these books, prize breaks, DraftKings whatever their goal is to make these lines as close as possible To like a 50-50 bet except edge in their favor So that's really where you have to play off of right so if you're getting a 50-50 bet right logically You're gonna say run one you don't have to run six six mans eight mans They're like ten leg parlays right sure the payout looks hella good, but your odds are absolutely terrible. That's like playing blackjack and you just get one card and the dealer gets two. Like that's how I view sports betting.
Starting point is 00:17:12 It's like anything that they give you that seems super juicy, super good, run the fuck. So you're not a fan of parlays? No, I'm not. I am in a sense of like I have to because price makes you have to do two. So I have to do two mans, but so when I first started, a bunch in a sense of like I have to because price specs you have to do too. So I have to do two mans but, so when I first started a bunch of people running six mans
Starting point is 00:17:29 cause that's how you go viral. You hit a six man and now everyone joins your community cause they think you're Jesus. But I was the only person on the internet saying, stop running these six mans bro. Stop because I was like, I didn't think he was gonna give me viral or nothing but I was like, stop running these six mans.
Starting point is 00:17:43 What are they posting on the ads? 25X your money, 25X your money. I was like, stop running these six mans. What are they posting on the ads? 25X your money, 25X your money. I was like, three X your money is already a lot. Like if you put 100 bucks in the stock market or even 100K in the stock market and you get 300K back, bro, you're going to dinner, you're celebrating at Nobu. So it's the same way with sports betting. It's like just because the market is saying,
Starting point is 00:18:02 oh, I took $100 to 600K, doesn't mean your $100 to $300 isn't good. So like, it adds up over time. You're winning more rather than hitting once in like a lot, but you're not gonna hit it. Like generally, I look people in their face and I go, dude you're not hitting that 10, you're not hitting that 10,
Starting point is 00:18:18 you're not hitting that 12. Hit the 12 leg and be happy with your money, but it's like you're one of a million probably. So that's just how odds work. It's just calculations. I love how realistic you are because a lot of people in your space are, oh my God, your videos are hilarious.
Starting point is 00:18:32 I get it because there's two types of sports players. There's businessmen and then there's actual sports players who aren't that good at business, but they hit a lot so they get business. I'm a mix of both, but I like to keep it real. I'm like, dude, it's sports betting, bro. Quit being stupid. I could go here, hit a six man parlay this week.
Starting point is 00:18:49 I could probably do it. I could probably just add up, like I would've hit a six man yesterday if I took all my bets and put it up and be like, ah, I'm the best sports betting in the world. I took a thousand to 25K. But it's like, then they're gonna join and they're gonna be like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:19:01 You posted 26 man, you're not hitting. So like realistically, I wanna actually make my people money. Because from a sports better side of things, you have to hit to get these people to stay. From a business side of things, it's like, imagine you're signing up to something that you think is a good service and you pay 15 bucks, 20 bucks, whatever,
Starting point is 00:19:19 and it's not a good service, you're gonna leave. So business side of things, I want these guys to stay. I get like a 10 or 15% churn. That's like outrageously low for sports playing. For sports playing, 30 to 40% churn a month. I get around 10 to 15%. That's the lowest I've heard in your space. Yeah, it's super low. And you can fact check all this stuff with my company and stuff too, but even this week though, churn is like less than 10%. Wow. Because it's like even if we lose out, so the way I operate my business is,
Starting point is 00:19:45 it's not just picks, it is guidance. Like I'm acting as their advisor, and even my team, I trained all my team one on one. Like okay, we're red for the last two days. Third day, either don't bet or just go super light. Cut your units in half or by a third and just understand what is happening with your luck. Luck is real, okay?
Starting point is 00:20:05 Luck is very, very real. People run into luck. By the same time, you can control your luck. If you're not betting all your money on that day, you don't have to get lucky. You just maintain, you know? Just maintain, cool it out, wait till the games go on. Like, the first one to three weeks at NFL
Starting point is 00:20:19 were just underdogs winning everywhere. So what did I tell my team? Hey guys, let's take it slow. Let's bet more on WNBA. Let's bet more on college football. Let's bet more on MLB. Even though it's the beginning NFL, it's super hype. And guess what? We've been winning.
Starting point is 00:20:31 We've been winning. And now week four just started and we've been sweeping the board because we waited until the games were consistent. Now the games are super good. The games are super good and now props are all hitting. By the time this podcast comes out though, it's going to be different because like, but right now week four just began, the games are all hitting. By the time this podcast comes out though it's gonna be different because like but right now week four just began the games are very consistent so it's like most people are hitting with their props because most props are hitting. Yeah. So it's like just control your luck right so obviously you
Starting point is 00:20:54 can't time it all the time but it's like in blackjack right they say when you're when you're hot leave right and when you're cold just calm the fuck down because if you're cold why are you gonna keep doubling your bet? Makes no sense. So that's the way I like to approach things. I'm always guiding people. Guys, one unit bet on this, two unit bet on this. If it's a good game and we're not running too many slips,
Starting point is 00:21:16 go two or three units on this. So it's like an advisory as well. Because genuinely, genuinely for real, not a lot of sports players can say this, but I actually care about my guys. Like not to hate on anyone else, they're all killing it. But it's like, so the first week of NFL, like I said, was red, right?
Starting point is 00:21:32 I gave away three grand. I would just split it up among as many people as I can give money to cause they're all hating on me, right? And I was like, guys, I'm putting the same amount of bets as you, I care. Like I actually care about you guys winning. That's why I made the entry fee so cheap. I made it 15 bucks.. Who doesn't have 15 bucks. That's the lowest I've heard in your space Exactly. They're mostly at 500 bucks a month 500 bucks a year my year pass 200 bucks for a whole year
Starting point is 00:21:54 Wow, you know so you can make that off one bet exactly and exactly so like all my members yesterday and it's like it's just gets so crazy because yesterday and it's like, it just gets so crazy because the way we operate the business is like, we prioritize our members first and then the members will pour in. Like one person refers two or three person people and now I'm just blowing up. So it's like, from a business side of points,
Starting point is 00:22:17 it's smart for me to do that. And from an actual human side of points, I grew up with families with gambling addictions. I never promote gambling, but if you already gamble, I'll be like that cool uncle who fucking gives you weed. Like, if you're gonna smoke weed anyways, I'll fucking give you the best weed out there, right? So that's how I like to operate things.
Starting point is 00:22:33 That's the way I've always operated things, because like, yeah, I talk to all my members one-on-one. Anyone watching this can literally DM me on Instagram. And whenever I have time, I just answer all their DMs. And like, any advice, you can talk to me for like 10 days like and I'm giving you advice. That's just how I operate, even if you don't pay me, you know, that's just how I operate the business,
Starting point is 00:22:51 that's where I like to stand by. Good karma man. Exactly, so it's like in the industry where it's a bunch of scummy people and a bunch of you know, not ethical people, I try to be as ethical as possible because my passion isn't in robbing people for 15 bucks a week.
Starting point is 00:23:06 My passion isn't actually helping people win. And like when people win, I just make more money. Just in general. Yeah, yeah, your industry has a bad rep. Terrible rep, it's terrible. Like I tell people, oh I'm a sports player and they like give me a little side eye. I'm like, bro, but it's a little bit different.
Starting point is 00:23:20 They automatically don't trust you. Yeah, exactly. Like even people that are thinking about joining your program, they've probably been scammed like four times on average. A hundred thousand times, man. Like there was this one comment yesterday who's like, I joined 10 different discords.
Starting point is 00:23:30 It's my second day here. I'm never leaving. Wow. And it's just because the way we operate shit. It's like the amount of care we show for per person is real and our support team is all there. Like you ask a question in chat, within five, 10 minutes it gets answered.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Damn. Yeah, swear to God., I have people on staff 24-7 because I actually want these guys, because sports betting, I was there. Anyone who says, oh, this guy's just a guru selling, dude, we're all normal people. I was literally there, I lost 10 grand, I had no help, had none of these advisors, had none of this stuff. So when people actually come into the group,
Starting point is 00:24:04 oh, I'm a beginner, to do this, you click, what is it called? Like bankroll management guide, guide A through Z pages long on what you should do and what you shouldn't do. Like that's, and I spent hours on that. Bunch of advisors, we're all talking about collaborating my team, spent a whole hour on this guide.
Starting point is 00:24:19 That's cool dude. Yeah, I've seen a lot of people come and go in your space. Yeah man. They rotate pretty often. Yeah, so like the top guys are never at the top for that long unless you're just like spending hundreds of thousands on ads And you're just like maintaining it, but I'm probably the only guy who got up here organically like um The so we're the biggest price breaks community in the world We're getting close to biggest sports betting community in the world because there's still DraftKings and like other fantasy sports
Starting point is 00:24:44 But we're getting there, we're getting there, and we will get there, because it's just like, something I'm just crazy about, like that goes into a software I'm building too, because I'm building a software to help beginners. Is it AI related? Yeah, technically, because all algorithm stuff, but it's mainly just data, and being able to sort the data.
Starting point is 00:25:00 So imagine this, right? Not trying to get too much of my sauce out there, but imagine this, so you're a beginner, right? Let's say you want to start sports betting right you go to this software. That is free I'm making it free for people and you just look at all the props of the day every single prop you click one button One button and it sorts it out highest chance of winning It calculates odds calculates last ten calculates last five head-to- winning, it calculates the odds, calculates last 10, calculates last five, head to head match up, calculates literally everything
Starting point is 00:25:28 that your human brain cannot do all at once. And it sorts it from best to worst. The best odds of everything, you pick one or two, put in a two man, call it a day. And then like, that's essentially what I'm trying to build because me and my team, our schedules are insane. Like we'll work till like last night we were working till 1 a.m.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Cooking up place because the way price fix itself drops the props is very strategic in a sense They want you to lose right so they drop the shitty props first and then they'll slowly Twinkle in the good problem So you have to stay up to like 1 a.m. And then you have to wake up at like 7 a.m. That's smart It's so smart like the way that average people don't know this about books But everyone in my community knows because everything that I learned from being at the top in the industry,
Starting point is 00:26:08 I tell them bro, data providers, the people making the lines isn't the actual books. PriceFix, Chalkboard, Sleeper, it's not them. Like they don't have employees going, oh let's make Steph Curry at 29. It is a data provider and the way you control the data provider is completely different than the book. So people are like, oh, PriceFix lines suck.
Starting point is 00:26:26 It's not PriceFix, it's just their lines. But actually, PriceFix has their own in-house data providers, so they control their lines. Interesting. Yeah, so like shit like that is like industry secrets that no one would know that helps you have an advantage, right? So I tell all my members this, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:26:40 the reason why PriceFix's line right now is higher, it's because they know this shit's a good prop, they're making it higher, and then the other books, they have the actual lines where it's actually at, but Price's is.5 or one higher. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's all that type of secrecy type of stuff where it's just keeping you down there.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Average bettors, you can't win. Statistics show 99% lose. I would say 99.8% lose. That high? That high, you cannot win. The only way you win in sports betting, right? Besides like actually having a good strategy, like the average gambler,
Starting point is 00:27:10 the only way you win is if you and me go on price fix for a week, throw whatever, cash out. That's the only way you win. It's kind of like blackjack, right? The only way you win is when you leave the damn table. So with price fix and player props, player props is significantly harder
Starting point is 00:27:25 to hit than like any other prop. And on top of that, you have to pair them up. You have to put two. If you were able to just do one, one prop on price picks, it would be a lot easier, like drastically easier. That's why, that's why I'm like DraftKings and FanDuel and stuff, payouts are low. So it's not like, with price picks, it's like two props is a 3x, but sometimes on DraftKings, DraftKings Vandal, it's like a 1.6 X for one prop. But that's just like the odds and the payout, because everything correlates, right?
Starting point is 00:27:52 But I'd rather bet on that 1.6 payout every single time compared to the three X. I just do the three X because that's what my community wants and that's what they need, right? I do straight bets too. I do a lot of straight bets. That's where a lot of my winnings come from. That's the best odds, right?
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah, amazing odds. Like money lines, I really like spreads of straight bets. That's where a lot of my winnings come from. That's the best odds, right? Yeah, amazing odds. Money lines, I really like, spreads, I really like. We're like five out of seven on our last straight bets. Wow. Yeah, which is pretty good, because if you bet a thousand bucks, you're winning five, six grand. Yeah, that's solid. Yeah, it's pretty solid.
Starting point is 00:28:19 So people always ask me, oh, isn't that realistic because I don't even have a high bankroll. It's like, dude, tacos on price picks. So it's basically they just give you a discounted prop and then you pair it up and then you can hit a 3X. So max $25, right? Oh, I don't have that much bankroll, bro. My members took, what is it, like 50 bucks to 150.
Starting point is 00:28:38 And then imagine doing that on three different accounts every week, right? So it's like very, very realistic to make thousands and thousands of dollars. Plus you get the edge, because you're betting on promos. You're not just betting on regular lines, you're betting on the shit that the books give you, but they're using this to entice you.
Starting point is 00:28:54 So it's like, oh, sign up to PriceFix, you get this promo, you get this taco. But even if they lose money on those tacos, right? Because tacos are hitting a lot right now. Because you get value. You have way better odds betting on those tacos, right? Because tacos are hitting a lot right now. Because you get value. You have way better odds betting on that taco, right? So even if they lose a shit ton of money on that taco, they know the next day you're betting on those player props.
Starting point is 00:29:13 So sometimes I'll tell guys, hey, if you guys have a low bankroll, I'm talking about 100, 200, $300, that doesn't mean you don't make money. That means just bet on only promos. And there's some platforms, Chalkboard, Sleeper, Underdog, they drop.5 free squares, which means Steph Curry on only promos. And there's some platforms, Chalkboard, Sleeper, Underdog, they drop.5 free squares, which means Steph Curry over.5 points,
Starting point is 00:29:29 which is a free square. You pair it up with a good prop, you get three extra money, right? So 10 bucks to $30, imagine 10 promos. And you can do like five, you can do like five promos a day, that's pretty realistic, cause these books drop them like, they drop them like, it's hot, bro, like drop all these five promos a day, that's pretty realistic, cause these books drop them like, they drop them like, it's hot bro, like drop all these damn promos,
Starting point is 00:29:47 and yeah, you just farm the promos. And then what's even better is like, let's say my girlfriend's sitting right there, right? I get her account, right? My account too, we both lock in these promos. Now that's $20 max instead of just 10. And now you're hitting and you're hitting and you're hitting. Now you're making thousands of dollars off of promos,
Starting point is 00:30:04 like promo bets where you have the edge, where it's not much risk at all. Some platforms even do protected plays where they protect like up to $25. So if you bet $25, even if you lose, you get it back. So like shit like that, but it's like, people use that as an intro to sports betting, and then they just forget about it
Starting point is 00:30:21 because they're like, oh, it's 10 bucks. I'm like, no, that is 10 bucks on three different accounts, 30 bucks, that's 90 bucks each. Imagine 10 times, 900 bucks, right? 600 dollars profit. And imagine that every other day. 600 dollars profit every other day. And I know it's like, we're assuming
Starting point is 00:30:35 that we're hitting all of it, but generally if you have good picks, like you're gonna hit them. Like you're gonna hit them because everything is odds based. In the same way how the books have a slightly better odd and they keep winning. If you have a slightly better odds, you will keep winning in the long run. So that's the same way how it works. I love that. Yeah. DraftKings has a crazy promo right now.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Deposit five bucks, get 250. That's nuts. But you have to think, they're giving you $250. When you bet $5, how much are they making off each person right and I'm at the top of the game I can't say the numbers, but I know how much they're making per person. Yeah, it's a fucking lot I mean their lifetime values got their lifetime values insane because they know no matter who you are you're going to lose You're gonna see that prop prop prop prop and now your $10 can turn into 10,000 You people eat it up. I mean's like, they eat it up. And it's just so sad because you'll see it all over Twitter
Starting point is 00:31:28 and stuff too, like, oh, someone won, like the other day, someone won 100K. I don't know if you've seen, but they won 100K off of a anytime touchdown play. It looks like a three-leg parlay or whatever. But it's like, how often do we see those? Like, sure, it's spread it like wildfire now, right? But it's like, he's won in millions and millions and millions and millions of people that's
Starting point is 00:31:48 like that's like if I went and bought the Super Lotto every day and if I did if I didn't get it I would be mad as fuck it's like do you buy it just knowing that you're probably not gonna hit it you might you might hit it some people actually genuinely rely on these parlays to like make a living and I'm like I'm like, I'm like, I don't know who you've been listening to, but that's not realistic at all. That's some D-Gen shit right there.
Starting point is 00:32:08 That's some D-Gen shit right there. I'm like, my thing is safe bets, reliable and consistent. And it all matters up here. Because if you're betting safe bets, but then you do some dumb shit the next day and lose it all. It takes one day to lose it all. It takes one day. That's nice.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Dude, you retired your parents at 18. Oh yeah, I did. That's crazy. What, you retired your parents at 18. Oh yeah, I did. That's crazy. What did that feel like? It was honestly crazy because the reason why, even as I'm talking, I'm so passionate about helping people, making money, whatever, it's always come and stem from my parents.
Starting point is 00:32:36 So I was wanting to retire my parents. That's always been the, even thinking about it now is crazy because it just happened last year. So my mom, the first thing I did when I started making money Was like I remember I made 15k in a day from sports betting and I have the screenshot to tell a funny I just randomly zelled her seventy five hundred dollars. So I sent her half
Starting point is 00:32:55 Mmm, and she goes son. Did you just send me seven and a half grand? I go. Yeah, lol. What's wrong? Like just like playing casual because I've been waiting for moments like this Yeah, she was so excited so happy cuz my mom was my grandma was poor as shit growing up like most parents she gambler No, no, no, she doesn't agree with the gambling at all until I actually started making money My dad's a fucking degenerate though, but I love my dad. But yeah, he's degenerate He's kind of what taught me what not to do basically like we're in Vegas So he's always be up in Vegas and shit, I used to come up with him and watch him lose it all.
Starting point is 00:33:26 So stuff like that. But when I sent my mom that money, it was crazy. Bought my dad a Corvette. I don't know, all this stuff I don't even show on social media too, because that's just shit that I actually wanted to do. I market my lifestyle and the shit that I buy, old fancy watches, fancy cars,
Starting point is 00:33:40 all I care about is my parents. The most I spend a month, if I spend six figures a month, just out of my own pocket, majority of that is going is my parents. Most I spend a month, if I spend six figures a month, just out of my own pocket, majority of that's going to my parents. Yeah, I swear to God, a lot of rich people won't help their parents. And I'm always like, they're the reason you're alive. That's how I see it, because growing up,
Starting point is 00:33:59 dinner or whatever, or even trips to Disneyland, I'm always like, man, I can't wait to pay them back. Can't wait to pay them back. So like when I retired, my mom, it was great. It was from sports betting and business because you cannot just retire your parents making 20, 30K a month from sports betting. So I'm very transparent about that.
Starting point is 00:34:17 It's like I own a very successful business. That along with my sports betting is what allowed me to retire my parents and to live this lifestyle. It's not just sports betting. If it was just sports betting, I would be a lot more down there. That's why, you know people who say like they bought
Starting point is 00:34:31 this $10 million house off sports betting, I don't know how true that is. It's off selling picks. Yeah, I mean it's off selling picks. Like the thing is, you have to be honest with people because you will trick them into believing that they're going to become a millionaire just like you. But it's not true.
Starting point is 00:34:45 I like to just monetize what I've actually done. But I never say, hey, you can take that 100 into 100k. That's what everyone says. I'm like, you're not gonna help them take that 100k to 100k. Right? You know what I mean? It's like with my parents too. When I started sports betting, they hated it. But anyways, like when I retired my mom, it was great.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Like I remember the process of retiring her was very Boom like that. It wasn't like oh mom. I'm starting to make money. I'm starting to make money within six months I called her up and I was like because she lives somewhere else and I lived in California right because just She way cheaper to buy a house over there and she worked her whole life to buy this house She told me it took her 21 years to buy this house. So I called her up, I go, hey mom, I'm gonna get you a penthouse.
Starting point is 00:35:29 She goes, what? What are you talking about? And I go, you're retired, just come down. And so we toured the penthouse, 20 something blah blah floor, and then the most expensive one that you can rent there, and I go, just live here. I don't even care if it's rent.
Starting point is 00:35:42 I mean, I'm gonna make it back, it's worth spending, right, whatever. Because if I I spend eight grand a month six grand a month on rent I make that back like by then I was really really confident right it was the NBA season, and it's true I had been making it back, so I retired her there, and then I was like a mom What is it was your favorite car again? She goes Tesla model s plaid I go you really need a plush He goes yeah, I like it I go go, ordered, boom. 100 Gs. 100 Gs. And I sent it to her
Starting point is 00:36:07 and then her whole life changed in a blink of an eye. It wasn't like we grew up rich. It was like out of nowhere. Boom, now you're retired. Wow. And then I was like, mom quit your job. Quit your job now. Cause she worked corporate her whole life.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I used to go to her damn office. I used to sit there and do my homework. I was like an Asian kid in the background. Classic. I was the Asian kid with the glasses, a little chubby doing homework in the background when my mom worked corporate I hated it. I was like really mom you're slaving away cuz I hear drama 24-7 Oh, my boss said this I'll have to go to Oakland to go do this. I'm like Oakland You're gonna die. So I was always like I hated that for my mom, right?
Starting point is 00:36:40 Yeah, the second I was able to and comfortable to, to retire her, done, no questions asked. And at the time I didn't even have anything. I rented my apartment after hers. So I moved into the nice one after her. So it was like, my mom is everything. Even like, so that was last year. Now I just bought her a $2 million property. Yeah, and we're gonna build our dream house there.
Starting point is 00:37:00 And yeah, like I didn't get my house first. I still rent. I just bought her a $2 million property. We're gonna build a bunch of houses. Now I'm't get my house first. I still rent. I just bought her a two million dollar property we're gonna build a bunch of houses. Now I'm talking about my dad too. I retired him too. I did all that stuff with him too. Incredible dude. Yeah man it's been great so ever since then now my real passion is less in like making money and more like helping people. That's why I want the software too. Like you can't tell me I'm gonna make a software that will beat these books and I'm making it free. Now it's gonna be 100% free, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:37:26 You could have charged for that. Yeah, I could charge like 50 bucks a month for that. Easily. And make a million a month. Like, the numbers that I will bring in, because I can easily get 200K active users on that because it's gonna be the best, right? And I can charge even 10 bucks.
Starting point is 00:37:39 That's two million a month, right? I could do that, I'm making it free. You know what I'm saying? So is that the strategy though, are you gonna make it free at first and then once it's proven, start charging? Eventually, I haven't even thought that far, but it's mainly just going to be like,
Starting point is 00:37:50 if you go onto the platform, so like I promote promo codes, right? And literally anything about money you ask me, my members ask me, honest, because you have to be honest in the market that is not honest to you. So I'm very honest people. So every time you use my projects code, chalkboard code, under all code, I get some money.
Starting point is 00:38:07 So this software is like, it'll mainly be, if you want, you can hop on these platforms to use our code and that will be our only source of revenue. Even if we break even, even if we barely profit, that will be what the business model will be. Because the goal is to just get a shit ton of users on. Like that's like, one of my passions is just growing stuff. Like, growing secured pics to 100k members, that was insane.
Starting point is 00:38:28 I was like, man, life accomplished, retire my parents. You probably can't even read the chat. It's probably just nonstop. Yeah, dude, dude, oh my god, like, some days when we win, like, when we cash, Discord just bugs out. It just bugs out, because my community's on Discord,
Starting point is 00:38:43 so the chat is just tweaking and tweaking and tweaking and it just bugs out and it just freezes and everyone's phone is dead and then like five minutes later we're like, yo, what the fuck happened? That's crazy. That type of stuff, I'll post screen recordings and all that stuff too.
Starting point is 00:38:54 You're breaking Discord. Yeah, it's so funny, it's so funny, but yeah. That's awesome, dude. Discord's been amazing, it's just fun because it's a community. It's everything I've wanted to build, pretty much, and I'm just doing everything I've always wanted to do.'re breaking the norm dude because even discord has a bad rap like yeah I just scammers on discord. Yeah, I like telegram and she has a terrible rep
Starting point is 00:39:12 Yeah, like that's so true. But um the thing is like even shit like okay if I'm making like someone will buy a year pass I'll make 200 so right now. It's 200 bucks. I used to like 400 bucks I'll make 400 bucks like that They'll be like and they'll randomly say that they're underage for some reason. And I'll be like, dude, get out. And I'll refund them. But I could be making a shit ton of money off that. It happens a lot.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Like people will be 16 using their mom's IDs and I'm like, dude, get out. Just because ethically and morally, I can't. I cannot be gambling with you guys. Even if it helps you guys, I'll literally have my team or me directly message them and be like, yo bro, you're 16 years old, go find a real job or go do something,
Starting point is 00:39:49 like something where sports betting isn't like your main thing. My thing with sports betting is I always tell people this, I can sports bet full time because I have businesses. I'm a businessman, I've always been an entrepreneur, my first business was when I was 12, actually 11. But like, I've always had businesses and a backup. If sports betting fails, I have a backup.
Starting point is 00:40:06 And if sports betting fails, I have more bankroll. I can throw in a bunch of money in my bankroll, right? Right. You have a safety net. Yeah, very honest with this shit. And it's like, that's just how I always am. You know, that's how I've always been. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:40:18 A lot of sports bettors don't have that safety net. They're all in on sports betting. So it's a little more risky. Yeah, exactly. They'll put like 200K on a game or 300K on a game. But it's, that's not the way to put sports bet. You gotta run units. You gotta run, you gotta manage your bankroll.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Like you can't, I mean you can like once in a while, like Super Bowl and you do some stupid shit. Yeah, Sean Perry bet a million on it. Yeah, and he lost. This year he lost, but he won the previous what, six? Yeah, but he went on like a crazy heater right after that too. But it's like Sean Perry is a millionaire. He loses a million. He doesn't even blink an eye, you know So it's like guys who see that right? I love Sean Perry. Don't get me wrong, you know vouch for him
Starting point is 00:40:55 Whatever, but like I like to be realistic. These are normal people like you could tell me Sean Perry comes to me Hey, let's put 500 can the Super Bowl. I'll be like fuck no, but I could do it I could do it and if I lose I be like, fuck no, but I could do it. I could do it, and if I lose, I'll survive. You know, like, I will survive. But normal people who put even $1,000 into a bet, I would never, ever, ever advise that or even tell them to do that, because realistically,
Starting point is 00:41:16 these are nine to five working people who cannot lose that. You know, I actually care about these guys. So, like, my strategy's always been put in your bankroll what you can afford to lose. But if you lost it today, don't stress about it. Absolutely You know, I gotta ask about the tattoos man. Oh, yeah, man full sleeve full sleeve coming. It looks really professionally done Yeah, thanks. I flew to Bali to get it. Wow. I was like that's also one like how I started social media to On my on the personal branding side of things is tattoos. So I got this one was 18. Yeah It's like- Your parents were pissed, weren't they?
Starting point is 00:41:46 Oh, man. Those Asian parents, I know how they are. I'm half Chinese. Oh yeah? Nice, yeah. Like my, dude, my mom was pissed. My grandma didn't talk to me for three months. Holy.
Starting point is 00:41:56 And I'm so close to my grandma, like, dude, I love my grandma, we do everything together. She didn't talk to me for three months. You didn't give them a heads up that you were getting it? Well, I did, like a day before. So the thing with the tattoos, right, is everything has meaning, obviously, right? But this is real meaning because ever since I was little,
Starting point is 00:42:13 I always knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur. Never wanted to go to college. I dropped out of high school. Never wanted to do any of that shit. So I was like, dude, I got dragons on my neck. Who's fucking that crazy at 18? I know, people are always like, dude, I don't like your tattoo.
Starting point is 00:42:24 I'm like, I don't care but the why I got it is because dragons have always been my favorite animal. Right, and they represent power, wisdom, all that type of stuff, that corny shit, whatever. But it's like, I wanted that on my neck cause it's kinda like, I used to get like, look he abused when I was growing up. So like I used to choke.
Starting point is 00:42:39 So I was like. We're just gonna gloss over that. What are you talking about? But yeah, I used to get like, bro like, I got tattoos on my neck so it's like, I have. We're just gonna gloss over that? What are you talking about? But yeah, I used to get like, bro, like I got tattoos on my neck, so it's like I have power over my own life. No matter what anyone tells me to do, I'm going to do what I believe
Starting point is 00:42:51 will get me to a higher level. So I was like, do you know this? You're an entrepreneur. Growing up, no one fucking believes in you. Nobody. They always tell you, oh, go do this, go do this, do this. If I listen to you, I'd be in the same position as you. I'd be nine to five.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Exactly, so you're in control of your own power.. Exactly, so you're in control of your own power. So like, or you're in control of your own life. So like, I've always been in control of my own life, never really listened to anyone that I didn't like want to switch places with. Facts, that's great advice. Exactly, right? So it's like, if you told me something, I'm listening.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Cause you're successful, you're an entrepreneur. But if like, one of my uncles, that's like a degenerate, does this, does coke or whatever, tells me, hey, you should do this. Why the fuck would I listen to you? Because it's not a respecting, I respect everyone. It's a, I wouldn't switch places with you, so I'm not gonna take your advice.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Plus, normal people don't know the situations that entrepreneurs are in. People may see, oh, secure pigs grew up, blew up because he's just good at sports. No, dude, we're talking about training so many employees, working so much, like, working 24-7 non-stop, like almost breaking up with your partner, like, ruining relationships with your family
Starting point is 00:43:52 because they don't believe in you, but you believe in yourself, so you gotta separate yourself from, like, all that type of shit. Losing all your money, like, in business, like, especially in business, right? You can see, oh, that's a successful business. They could be in bankruptcy and you wouldn't know. Right, like, shit like that is so real. So it's like, that's a successful business. They could be in bankruptcy and you wouldn't know. Right, like shit like that is so real.
Starting point is 00:44:05 So it's like entrepreneurship is a different level of mindset that you have to have going into it. And just no more people just, they just wouldn't know. So. Yeah, like tattoos. I purposely got my hand tattooed because there's no going back after this. There's no going back, you know?
Starting point is 00:44:18 Like. That one must've hurt. Yeah, that shit was hell, bro. Straight bone. But it's like, you just gotta, in the same sense as how tattoo is all mental, I genuinely believe business and a lot of other things are just all mental.
Starting point is 00:44:29 Because at the end of the day, we're all human, and we are all capable of doing the same exact thing. We can all do the same thing, but it's just the guy who's mentally there, who can stay up those hours, who can stay fuck off to everyone, and just get to work, right? Those are the only people succeeding.
Starting point is 00:44:45 The entrepreneurs, people who think about business and go, oh, I want to get into business because I want to control my own hours and I want to be more free. You're working more hours. Way more, double the hours. Instead of a nine to five, you're working nine to 12. Pretty much, that's what I do every day.
Starting point is 00:45:01 I'm in Vegas, supposed to be having a good time. I was working all morning. And then now we're here working and then I'm going to go home and work and then maybe we'll have So like so that's just how I see it with everything the tattoos is like they're basically a statement of like I really don't Give a fuck what you say love it my family Asians Yeah, I'm oh hey, you're the only Asian dropout. I know from high school really yeah That's not common strength, bro
Starting point is 00:45:22 Like nah, they don't have the strength because I get it though Like I literally get it though. Like I literally get it because when I told my mom I wanted to drop, that's always talked about college. I was a straight A student, 4.0, 4.20. Damn. Like that type of shit. I had glasses, I was really chubby. Like you may be able to see me now but I may look a little different.
Starting point is 00:45:38 But back then I was really chubby, very insecure, all I cared about was school. I was still extroverted, very talkative, very ambitious, but I was stuck in that life, bro. I was stuck in that, my mom wanted me to be an engineer. What do engineers even do? I still don't know to this day, right? Respect to all engineers, but that is not my passion. I like building and growing things, business especially.
Starting point is 00:45:57 So I was like, once junior year hit, I had built a business before that, but then I sat down with my mom, one on one, before I even started talking, bro. Just to grab her like a month ago talk crying everywhere bro Like I swear like she knew it was so no me. Oh you were me crying she was like what the hell is wrong with you and I was I was crying bawling my eyes out because The anxiety and stress you get just from telling your parents that you don't want to go to college is unreal Because that is like you're expected to do that your whole life. Your entire life you're expected to go to college you're expected to go the
Starting point is 00:46:28 traditional route go the safe route and go take care of your family be an engineer have a nice 401k. So when I told her that I was like mom I will literally jump off this bridge right now if you make me go to college like I was so serious I was crying my eyes out I was like mom trust me you know how because she knows she's always been so supportive of me But for some reason with culture and college is so different like my mom anytime I needed her Social security at 12 years old to just start a job shipping business. She let me that's how much faith my mom had in me Which is that's why I always give back to her like every single time. I think of anything. I think of her this whole trip
Starting point is 00:47:03 I've been sending her pictures and I was like, hey, we're gonna take you next time, right? So it's like, when I first told her that, it's like she was so against it still. And seeing that I was, because for more context, that junior year I had created an e-comm business and I was making 100K. Like I was, well I made 100K by the end of that year, but by leading up to that year I made 30 or 40K.
Starting point is 00:47:23 On track to hit 100K that year. That's pretty insane for, I was 17. So it was two years ago, three years ago. So I was 17, right? And I was like, mom, I'm building a successful business. You know, this is what I've always wanted to do. But she's like, oh, it's not safe. It's not this, it's not that, whatever.
Starting point is 00:47:39 And I was like, college, I cannot. It took like two hours of convincing and agreement. I had to make an actual agreement. And I was like, I have to make a hundred K by the end of year for your first ever Business a hundred K profit is insane not especially ecom where like 50% margin Yeah, so like the amount of grind I had was unreal But we agreed to that and I was really happy because I was just so confident myself So it's like you have to have undying confidence in yourself. Most entrepreneurs do.
Starting point is 00:48:06 They like have this kind of delusion of like, I'm the best, I'm the best and I can do it, right? And that's what you'd need. Like to be able to stand up to my mom like that and be like, no mom, like all this time you wanted me to go to college, all this time, whatever, I'm not going. Like I'm seriously not. Like even if you make me go, I'm not gonna show up.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Like I would tell her. And I brought this up to her. Imagine, I'm a bit, I'm not going, like I'm seriously not. Like even if you make me go, I'm not gonna show up. Like I would tell her. And I brought this up to her. Imagine, I'm a bit, I'm an entrepreneur. I wanna build businesses. You want me to go to a nice four year UC, go into debt, waste four years of my life, and have all that money that I have to pay back, and by the end of the four years,
Starting point is 00:48:39 in my eyes, I have nothing. Give me four years, I will retire you. I did it in two.'t do well in less than two That's because I was 17 now. I'm 19 I did it the next year because I started secure picks secure plays blew up within a year. I hit 60k members on secure picks within a year sports fans taking off I did it all so quick, but I'm one of I would say like on a luck to ambitious standpoint I'm very lucky and blessed like I, every day I think I'm blessed.
Starting point is 00:49:05 I don't think that I got here alone. I think that someone up there guided me here and I like just put myself in the right position, right? So it's like, that's just how everything is, is like you have to take that step to go tell your parents you don't wanna go to college. Maybe you wanna go do something else, right? And take that step to actually like,
Starting point is 00:49:22 take power over your own future. Like, if you fail, it has to be because of you. It can't be because your parents want you to be an engineer because then you're gonna look back and you're gonna be like, fuck man, my life could have been so much with my mom. Your mom wants what's best for you. She thinks in her era, this was the right way.
Starting point is 00:49:38 But in this new era where entrepreneurship, online businesses, it is a new era of moneymaking. It is up to you to do the research, to understand that you can go through that route. You know, there's like guys on TikTok, shop affiliate, drop shipping, making tens of thousands of dollars a month. I see that. Like what reason is there for you to not like,
Starting point is 00:49:55 go learn that shit? Like what reason, right? Instead of scrolling on TikTok all day, go scroll business advice. That's what I used to do. Like if I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna waste my time on fucking TikTok or YouTube, it's gonna be listening to a bunch of these entrepreneurs
Starting point is 00:50:07 and listening to their guidance and taking that shit in and changing my entire perspective on these things. Yeah. That's what I did too. Damn, we got really similar journeys, man. Yeah, exactly, right? Yeah. When I was dropping out of college,
Starting point is 00:50:17 I did not want to tell my mom, dude, but I had some revenue. I had a business at the time and I was able to leverage that. Yeah, exactly. Because a lot of people want to drop out with nothing. With nothing, bro. And they'll come to me and they're like, yo bro, I want to business at the time, and I was able to leverage that. Because a lot of people wanna drop out with nothing. With nothing, bro, and they'll come to me and they're like, yo bro, I wanna do what you're doing,
Starting point is 00:50:29 I wanna drop out. I'm like, all right, so what's your plan? What's your passions? At least you need to know what your passion is. Mine is building things and helping people, and those two make a lot of money. So I was like, what is your passion? They go, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:50:40 I'm like, just because you don't know doesn't mean that you just need to drop out of college. I would say for the average person, college is okay to figure out what the fuck you want to do. Like some people are creative, they want to go into photography so they can go learn all that stuff, right? But for me specifically, for you specifically,
Starting point is 00:50:56 business, entrepreneurship, grinding, doing shit every day, that's the type of shit that we're passionate about and we don't need college for that. No, I was literally skipping class to work on my dropshipping business. Me too. Yeah, I started dropshipping when I was 11 or 12, I forgot, but back then.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Wow, that's early. Yeah, because when it was at viral, 2016 to 2017. That's when I was doing it, yeah. Exactly, I saw that shit all over my YouTube feed. I was addicted to YouTube and anime. So I would go on YouTube and I came across some dropshippers and I was like, oh my God, this is my moment.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Because I always knew I wanted to be a business owner. I was like, I'm gonna do this. I didn't sleep for like two days straight. That's a weird thing I have too, is I would do an all-nighters for some reason. My brain won't shut off until I finish that goal or learn something that I wanna learn. So I stayed up for two nights straight,
Starting point is 00:51:38 crashed the third night. I built my whole dropshipping store in those two days because it's so easy and quick. Now it's a little, it's over saturated. We both know it's over saturated. We both know that shit's not real. Like we both know that shit's not real. But, um, back then it was very achievable, right? I was selling Rick and Morty t-shirts, fucking like, like the, the, the weirdest shit you can get on, uh, AliExpress. But that shit worked. It did. I put, I, uh, I paid like 10 bucks, 20 bucks on meme pages and got up there.
Starting point is 00:52:04 I was literally 12 or 11 at the time. Let's just say I was 12. But I was 12 at the time making a few hundred bucks a week. Doing that. Yeah, that's how dropshipping started my first 100K. Nice. A lot of entrepreneurs in our space, they started with dropshipping.
Starting point is 00:52:16 That was like the catalyst. Everyone needs a stepping stone. Yeah, and these days it's different. Like it's not dropshipping anymore, but people got to figure it out. Yeah, exactly. Now it's short form content editing. I see a lot of those kids making good money.
Starting point is 00:52:25 The thing is, it's like, yeah, let's say anyone watching this, oh, I don't wanna go to college either. Go learn how to create content. Oh, I don't wanna put my face out there. You're not cut out. You're not cut out for it. Or go find faceless something.
Starting point is 00:52:37 People do faceless content all the time, but it's hard. You have to be the top of the top to do faceless. So it's like, if you can't even have the balls to show your face, don't say you can't, don't say you want to drop out of college. Don't say, you can't, you don't even have the balls to put your face in front of a screen. You don't have the balls to put your face
Starting point is 00:52:54 in front of your mom and say, I don't want to drop out. Right? You don't have the balls. Yeah. Right? So it's like, it's more of a, you just gotta fucking do it, bro. It's like, I tell everyone this, it's like, how do you do this? How do you do it? I just did it.
Starting point is 00:53:05 There's no secret formula, right? Everyone thinks it's a secret formula. Just start. Yeah, just start. And it spirals. You're gonna learn more from doing it than actually talking to people about it. Literally, like my uncle,
Starting point is 00:53:15 he's getting into building businesses, right? He went to college for building business. He said it was utterly useless. Like utterly useless. Like when he built his first business, that's when everything came in. Facts. Exactly, right?
Starting point is 00:53:27 So like that's just how it is with entrepreneurship, all that type of stuff. The stuff's changing so fast that by the time it's in a textbook these days, it's irrelevant. Because yeah, another thing is like, your parents, my parents, they have learned out outdated information.
Starting point is 00:53:42 So 18, 20, 30 years ago, engineer college, that was the route to go. That was, don't get me wrong. Do fast forward to 2024, going into 2025, no. Like for people who wanna get to that top 1% of income, where you wanna be baller, you wanna be rich, you wanna live the lifestyle that you see Iman Ghazi, all these guys living,
Starting point is 00:54:03 you cannot go that traditional route because that data is out, you know, it's outdated. Right? So like you have to look at what is happening in real time, present, now. You can see, why does everyone have courses? Maybe selling courses is the way to make money. It is.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Why is everyone doing TikTok, Photoshop? Maybe it is. So just go fucking learn that shit, right? But it's like people are so, they don't want to put that foot in the door. If you never go through the door, you're just never going to get to the fucking end of the hallway.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Nine to fives have a cap. Exactly. You're not going to make more than like 250 a year. Yeah, and you could get laid off like during COVID. Anytime. Or everyone get laid off. Yeah, you could get laid off. You're at someone else's mercy.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Exactly. Like in the same sense, how like our employees, whatever, no matter the, I always say this, like it's fucked up. It is, but life is value. If you, as an employee, cannot provide value to a company, they're going to replace you. That doesn't mean we're hating on you, that just means the business owners care
Starting point is 00:54:53 about their business, they're going to prioritize their business. So corporations like Apple, Amazon, Google, eBay, you have all these workers, but you can get laid off whenever, and it's cool, yeah, you're making 10 Gs a month, you have a nice healthcare, but if that is not the life that you wanna live, then whenever. And it's cool, yeah, you're making 10 Gs a month, you have a nice healthcare, but if that is not the life that you want to live, then don't live it, right?
Starting point is 00:55:09 So that's, I know a lot of people who are scared of getting laid off at Tesla, Tesla just laid off a shit ton of people. I heard about that. Yeah, they laid off a shit ton of people because my family works in Tesla, have friends that work in Tesla. So it's just like, you are at the mercy of
Starting point is 00:55:23 whoever is in control. Same with Amazon, I mean AI's gonna be replacing a the mercy of, you know, whoever's in control. Same with Amazon. I mean, AI is gonna be replacing a lot of these jobs. Bro, like tell me about it. Like my software that I'm putting out is gonna replace all these shitty ass sports groups. Really? Like bro, the way that these sports group operates
Starting point is 00:55:34 is like, I, it's all good, bro. Make your money how you wanna make your money. But it's like, you're just going on a software and you're finding the picks you like and you're just throwing out there and you're making 10 Gs a month, right? But it's like my software will literally take over you because it'll be more powerful, it'll be free,
Starting point is 00:55:50 and it's just better. And then you can join secure picks for free because secure picks you could join for free just for the community, and then if you want picks, you could pay. So it's like, I cater to everyone. So it's like that software is going to actually help people because I'm sick of these sports writers, bro.
Starting point is 00:56:02 I'm sick of them. Like it's just not real. It's not real. Like everything I do, I'm not saying like sports writers bro I'm sick of them like it's just not real it's not real like everything I do I'm not saying like oh I'm the only fucking legit one I'm just saying I try to be as real as possible and I see way too many fake people out there you know that's just how that's just how it is dude I've heard some of them have two different chats and then oh you know what they do same pick yeah you know what they do let's say Niners money line right or Niners spread and against whatever the chiefs
Starting point is 00:56:25 One group like these are big fucking groups like near my level one group will bet on the Niners Oh, they won't bet on chiefs matter what they're winning. They're printing and it's ball. That's messed up, dude I found that shit. I was like what the fuck you guys are you guys are you guys are dickheads, bro These cuz how I see each paying customers like dude That is a real human being who worked an hour or two for that entry fee, and then 10 plus hours for what they're betting. So it's like, you have to care about these people
Starting point is 00:56:52 as much as like, I'm not even trying to be corny. It's like, for real, you know? So it's like, these aren't just numbers on a screen. You have to be real. So like, a lot of these guys create sports groups because you know what makes quick money? Now it's a lot harder. It's a lot more, like back then two years ago,
Starting point is 00:57:04 you posted some shitty plays. You could go viral if you hit. But now it's like, you have Now it's a lot harder. It's a lot more, like back then two years ago, you posted some shitty plays. You could go viral if you hit. But now it's like, you have to actually be a business person. You have to actually be a business person. Like, I'll do, like I'm so serious about this shit. I kind of like vet people who are in my network. And if I see that they're real potential, or potential they have good plays, I'll mentor them.
Starting point is 00:57:22 And they're all making like 20 Gs in one thing. Yeah, so and I'll take a cut of that obviously, but like I'll mentor them and then show them how to actually do it, right? And like how to actually care about the community. If you lose, fucking apologize. At the least you could do is apologize to these guys. So it's like, people don't even think about it.
Starting point is 00:57:37 People don't think about it. They're like, oh no, I've been read all week. I'm like, then why is your channel like so dead? Like you're not talking to me. They're like, because I've been read. I'm like, your community paid for you and you're red. You have to talk to them at least. You have to tell them, yo, boys, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:57:50 It's a red day. The very least you could do is that. It's like interacting with any human, you're going to fucking say sorry if you hit them on accident, right? So yeah. What's the longest red streak you've had? Dude, the longest red streak, it doesn't typically
Starting point is 00:58:02 go longer than two weeks, but two weeks is rough. That's a long time in sports betting. It is, it's like rough because like red streaks, everyone runs into them, but sometimes there's like actually nothing you can do. So red streaks, like let's say I lose for two days in a row, then I start switching shit up. Like NFL, we switch different sports,
Starting point is 00:58:19 switch different props, switch research, you can switch all this stuff. Sometimes it's just like, it's just, you're just fucked. But that's in the course of of years and years, two weeks. So typically now my red streak ends super quick and it'll either go break even or just under a loss, like if we're talking about losses, but typically it'll bounce back,
Starting point is 00:58:38 either break even or positive. Positive a little bit. How I structure my business is like, we're waiting for that green streak. We're not like, hey, you're gonna win every day. We're kind of waiting for that green streak. We bump up the units a little bit. How I structure my business is like, we're waiting for that green streak. We're not like, hey, you're gonna win every day. We're kind of waiting for that green streak. We bump up the units a little bit, go a little bit heavier, and now secure those profits.
Starting point is 00:58:51 That's how I like to run things, because you have to think about it realistically, right? Realistically, are you gonna be able to win every day? No. Realistically, are you gonna be able to win more than 50% of the time? No, because the books have an edge. It depends on your strategy,
Starting point is 00:59:01 it depends on what you do, so that's the most control. Going back to control, that's the most control I can have over things. Dude I see the funniest screenshots on Instagram people are like 180 and all. Yeah. I like come on dude. Like bro. That's so unrealistic. You can Photoshop anything like dude let me show you this. Hold on this is one of my books. You can Photoshop anything right? So let me see so this chalkboard. I like it they have better lines, good promos. So I had um um, 30 K at the beginning of last week. Okay. So, and you can see, you can see withdrawal. So when cash is fake, it doesn't say withdrawal and look, so you can, you can refresh it and everything.
Starting point is 00:59:37 So I started at 30 K, K guys. He started at 30 K last week and I'm scrolling down to the bottom and you can see entries. You can see actually placing entries. You can see all that shit. And you were even at 150 at one point. Exactly. So yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:59:52 Nice. Yeah, withdrawalable cash, $113,000. Exactly. And the way I sports bet, bro, I have to get direct wires. I can't even get like, I can't withdraw this because the app doesn't have the function to literally withdraw. I have to message the guys because I know all the co-founders. Yeah, I go, yo, I want to withdraw 50K.
Starting point is 01:00:09 I'll invoice them 50K. They just withdraw from here and then they invoice me. Wow. Like that's how high level this shit is. And people were like, oh, how do you not get banned? But I'm the biggest sports betting community in the world. If they ban me, they lose business. They lose a lot of business. Like people, people like think now you're a scammer
Starting point is 01:00:24 because you're going to get banned. You're going to, you're going to get limited. Why would they limit? They're one of their biggest sources of traffic, right? Like me promoting chalkboard. I'm so close to chalkboard, right? I win a shit ton of money from them. Sure. A couple hundred G's, but I bring thousands, hundreds of thousands of users. So that's completely different. You know, so like pretty much anything you can fact check me on. Like you can go to my discord and check like what?
Starting point is 01:00:45 Today is October 2nd. You can check and see our win streak and you post your losses to which no one else does. Yeah on Instagram So I'll be like hey boys We cashed three out of four four out of five four out of six whatever right now. We're eight out of eight this week Yeah, which is genuine. Wow. That's a good streak. It's really good. Like we're super lucky right now We don't do this every day, but we're super lucky right now. Sunday night football, Monday night football, we cash big. Nice.
Starting point is 01:01:08 We cash big. I hit for like 40K. Holy shit. Yeah, and that's on the separate books on, so I use an offshore book because I can't use Javkings or Fanville. So like half of that came from straight bets. That's awesome, dude.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Yeah, we'll link your, we'll link your Discord below. And if your software's out by the time this airs, we'll link that too And your Instagram anything else you want to close off with her? No, I think we're good. I think we've pretty much gone through everything but any sports writers out there just be careful because anything online can be doctored like literally anything and if They're showing you the very fancy lifestyle or they're not showing you the actual winnings
Starting point is 01:01:44 You have to figure out who's actually winning. Because a lot of people have a lot of flashy shit, but it came from something else. Absolutely. Tyson, it's been fun man. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, appreciate it man. Thanks for watching guys. Check out the links below. See you next time.

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