Digital Social Hour - Reclaim Your Energy: The Power of Natural Rhythms! | John Douillard DSH #767

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

Unlock the secrets to reclaiming your energy by harnessing the power of natural rhythms! 🌿 Dive into a fascinating conversation with Dr. John Douillard on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly. Tune in now to explore how aligning with your Circadian rhythm can transform your life, banish those morning headaches, and supercharge your energy. Don't miss out on insights into Ayurvedic medicine, the hidden wonders of proper breathing, and the truth about modern diets. Packed with valuable insights, this episode will change the way you think about health and wellness. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and discover how centuries-old wisdom meets modern science to optimize your well-being. #nightroutine #healthybreakfastideas #dayinthelife #breakfastideas #morningroutinesforschool #productive #morningroutine #breakfastideas #nightroutine #howtowakeupearly CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 03:39 - Nose Breathing Benefits 08:26 - Gluten-Free Diet Risks 09:58 - Microbial Diversity Importance 12:48 - Soil Depletion & Mineral Toxicity 14:10 - Microbes & Human Health 16:34 - Recovering from Antibiotics 17:53 - Evaluating Digestion & Lymph Health 18:04 - Vaccines Overview 19:02 - Heavy Metals Impact 21:54 - Ayurveda Practices 23:31 - Circadian Rhythms Explained 28:29 - Cancer Insights 31:05 - Fortifying Grains & Seed Oils 33:50 - Seasonal Eating Tips 35:36 - Future Plans for Dr. John APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: John Douillard https://www.instagram.com/lifespa www.youtube.com/@JohnDouillardsLifeSpa https://lifespa.com/ https://www.tiktok.com/@johndouillard SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Because a lot of people use alarm clocks to wake up. I would go and do consultations. And this guy, he said, yeah, I wake up every morning with a headache. And I treated him and nothing happened. I treated him again, nothing happened. And I said, when do you go to bed? And he goes, like, two or three in the morning. And I said, oh, my God.

And get in bed around 8 o'clock. Take out a boring book. As soon as your eyes get tired, go to sleep. And as soon as your eyes open in the morning, get out of bed. And he did that. He called me back, like, two weeks like two weeks later and he said you know what that's the first time in years i woke up without a headache all right guys got dr john duyard here today thanks for coming on man good to be here john creator of life spa.com yeah been around a while right i've been around a while for sure yeah so's been around a while, for sure, yeah. So what exactly was the purpose of creating Life Spa?

You know, back in 1981, I went to a lecture on meditation. And the guy was talking about yoga, breathing, and Ayurvedic medicine, which is like the traditional system of medicine from India. And afterwards, I was super into it. And I asked the guy, I said, hey, look, I'm training for an Ironman triathlon. I wonder if it's good to do all this exercise based on your system. And he said, what's an Ironman? I said, well, you know, it's a two and a half mile swim, 112 mile bike, a 26 mile run.

And he looked at me and said, why do you do that? And I was like, I didn't really even have any answer. I never even thought of it. And he said, do you meditate? And I said, yeah, I get really deep sleep when I meditate. And he looked at me again like I was sort of an idiot and said, meditation is different than sleep. Sleep is completely, you know, you're knocked out.

Meditation is being restful and alert at the same time. And he goes, you're exhausted. So I started meditating more and going to meditation retreats. And I went to a two-week meditation retreat. After that retreat, this is the two weeks, I came back and I was like shot out of a cannon. I started competing at a really high level. I was in my internship at that time. And I started, you, and I had this level of capacity and multitasking I never experienced. I had like a three-month window of being in the zone. And I was so passionate and fascinated by that drug that I was on that I kind of needed to figure out what that drug was. So in 1986, I had a chance to go to India, study this Ayurvedic

medicine, stayed there for a year and a half, closed my practice in front of a phone in New Delhi. I never went back to that practice. I met Deepak Chopra there in 1986 after my training, came back and co-directed his center and started doing research on nose breathing versus mouth breathing and ancient medical wisdom and modern science. And I just love the idea that you have these practices that are thousands of years old that are still in practice today and then there's actually an amazing amount of modern science to back them up and science alone you can just prove whatever you can prove whatever it wants you know coffee can be good or can be bad so it can be good because it can be bad depending who's you know publishing

or paying for the studies right but when you have the ancient wisdom and the science together that's kind of what i do is I write about those things and I feel like that's what we should be looking at, you know, not just throw away all that time-tested wisdom, but actually bring it up, find the science to prove it, take the good, leave the bad. Yeah, I love that. It's hard to trust certain studies, man.

You see these headlines and they instill fear and emotion in you. Oh, totally. I mean, you can just find whatever you want. I mean, I live on PubMed, so you really can just find whatever you want without having something that's time-tested. It's like, I don't know. It's really nice to have that traditional wisdom that's kind of setting the tone for what you're going to take on medically. Yeah, absolutely. You found some interesting stuff out about nose breathing. So 91% of athletes tested do not have a fully functional diaphragm. That's right.

Yeah, none of us do. So that affects their breathing capacity? And so much more. You know, every stress that we experience in our life, we breathe a little bit differently. That new stress version of breathing becomes normal to you in short order. Another stress comes along, we breathe a little bit differently. Another one, another one, we breathe. And next thing you know, we're breathing completely different than how we started as young children.

And we start breathing in a shallow way, breathing into the upper chest, fight or flight receptors. And not only that, is the diaphragm can't function any longer. And the diaphragm isn't just a breathing muscle. It pumps your entire lymphatic system. You know, the extra weight around your belly and hips is lymph congestion. The diaphragm pumps the cerebral spinal fluid in and out of your brain, and we dump three pounds of plaque and trash out of our head every year while we sleep at night.

Wow. But if we're not breathing properly, that trash builds up, and it's linked, according to the studies now, linked to anxiety, depression, cognitive decline, inflammation, and even autoimmune concerns. Jeez. And breathing techniques can actually have been shown to reverse heartburn, GERD, reflux, high blood pressure.

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I was like, God, if they only knew. Someone told them that if they did like five minutes of breathing practices to get their diaphragm stronger, this wouldn't happen. If someone told them that just five minutes a day would actually reverse their heartburn, their GERD, their reflux, their cognitive decline, actually prevent them from accelerated DNA damage. It happens as we age. And we don't really ever really talk about breathing because we just kind of do it normally. But very few of us really understand

what functional breathing is really about. So just five minutes. Yeah. What's the technique? Well, I mean, you can even do it when you wake up in bed. You can just lie in bed. When you wake up, roll over on your back, lie there and breathe in through your nose, but try not to move your chest or your shoulders and just breathe into the lower ribcage. Okay. And try to fill the lower ribcage up like a balloon, pushing the air out to the sides and even into your back. So try that. Breathe in and just breathe into the ribcage on the sides.

Interesting. You push it in, and then when you breathe out, squeeze the rib cage on the sides and then engage your abdominal muscles. And when you engage your abdominal muscles on the exhale, you create an abdominal diaphragmatic cardiac massage. And that flips the brain, and we publish studies on this, into an alpha state. We did this with athletes. We had one group of athletes breathing through their mouth,

one group of athletes breathing through their nose. And the ones that did it through their nose, their brain went into a meditative alpha state during vigorous exercise. So imagine like running as fast as you could, but your brain's responding to that like a meditation versus the mouth breathers were in a fight or flight panic state. Their brain was in a beta state, super stressed out. So that was like when when I, when I, when we did that research and we finally published those studies, I was like, we did it. We, you know, I figured out what it was that got me into that zone, into that drug space where I just felt so different for like three months I was in this space. And, uh, and it has a lot to do with how we breathe. Cause that sets up how you respond

to stress in your life. And I think about it as the eye of the storm. If you can create a calm neurologically by how you breathe, then you can, the bigger the calm, the more powerful the winds, right? Yeah. So most folks are living out there in the winds of the storm, dodging refrigerators, and it's dangerous out there. It breaks you down. But if you can actually establish that calm and hail from that place, there's really no limit to your potential and that runner's high of the zone.

But even taking that into your regular life, I mean, if you can run as fast as you can with your brain in a meditative state, why can't you take that off the mat and bring it into your life so you're calm, you know, taking your kids to soccer practice or whatever, you know? I could see that because as a basketball player and a distance runner, people that were breathing through their nose always looked calm and people through their mouth looked like they're panicked. Yeah. Like when I was at the Nets, I taught them how to nose breathe. That's actually how I got the job. It was in my book, Body Mind Support, it came out, and I did some in-services with them, and got hired full-time. And not only were they doing it on the court when they could, but

actually breathing through the nose, creating that abdominal diaphragmatic cardiac massage, flip the brain into alpha state when you're shooting foul shots in front of 30,000 people, it's the difference versus when you're shooting in your backyard, no problem, right? But when there's 30,000 people screaming at you, you can create a neurological comma, vagal response. Man, you're not, you know, you're in your backyard. Wow. That's awesome. Because I'll make 10 free throws in a row before the game. And during the game, I'll shoot like 60% from the free throw line. Exactly. And we're all like that, whether you're on the basketball court or in your job or whatever.

Yeah, that makes sense. Wow. Dangers of a gluten-free diet. So that's like a hot diet trend, right? Not eating gluten. You know, I think of wheat as a canary in the coal mine. You know, folks stop eating wheat. There was a couple of studies that have been done where they took people who ate wheat

and then people who didn't eat wheat. They didn't have celiac, but they didn't eat wheat. There was a couple of studies that have been done where they took people who ate wheat and then people who didn't eat wheat. They didn't have celiac, but they didn't eat wheat. And they found that the people who ate the wheat had four times less mercury in their blood than people who were gluten-free. And significantly more good bugs, less bad bugs, and significantly more killer T-cells than people who werefree. Wow. And there are so many other studies showing that the wheat actually, and the harder-to-digest proteins like the lectins and the nitrates and the phytic acid, everybody says, don't eat, don't eat, don't eat. When you bubble wrap the diet, you actually create a long-term, down-the-road problem.

Those harder-to-digest foods create a hormetic effect. You know, it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. There was a crazy study with kids, Amish kids, who have the lowest rates of asthma on the planet. And their genetic cousins, the Hutterites, when they came to America from Switzerland, they became modern farmers. And those kids, same genetics, same valley they came from,

have the highest rates of asthma on the planet. Wow. So they were like, how could this be? They measured the dust in the barns genetics same valley they came from have the highest rates of asthma on the planet wow so and they were like how could this be they measured the dust in the barns where the Amish kids were running barefoot in the barns they had cows as pests and it was the dust that created an irritant on the respiratory tract that gave an immune response to asthma and they didn't get asthma wow harder to digest foods if we bubble wrap our diet we're going to become you know so I put somebody on welfare they'd be like well it's much easier just to be on the

dole. Right. So exactly the reason you and I have gut immunity, which is 70% of our immune response is because of those harder to digest foods. So instead of just taking the food out of the diet, which of course, if you feel bad eating it, don't eat it, but don't, that hasn't fixed the problem. The idea is to actually find, find out what the underlying imbalance is in your digestive system and fix that. Of course, eat whole foods, non-processed foods, because the pesticides on the foods kill the enzymes. They kill the bugs, rather, that make the enzymes to help us digest the wheat and the part of the digested food. So we're sort of screwed by all the pesticides. But that doesn't mean we can't reboot digestive strength

and be able to have a wider berth of foods we can eat. And the studies show now that by eating a bubble-wrapped diet, we are having more and more microbial, lacking microbial diversity. They did another study out of Stanford, and they took mummies that are 1,000 years old, and they measured their poop and the bugs in their poop, and they compared that to human, not modern humans. And the lack of bugs in our feces was so much different than the 1,000-year-old poop that they're actually calling that an extinction event.

So our lack of diversity in our bugs, because we're eating processed food, bubble-wrapping our diet, the same food again and again and again, it's really a big deal. And that stems from not having digestive strength. If I can't eat something, you know, I can't eat phytic acids, lectins, beans, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, nightshades, gorgogens, then I'm just going to stop eating them. Well, that's where all the diversity comes from. That's where the hormesis irritation creates an immune response. If you don't have that, we are seeing the studies come in and say,

hey, you know what? This is becoming a bigger problem now. Yeah, that is is fascinating i'm more impressed with how that poop lasted a thousand years i'm more impressed how they figured out how to get the poop and a study actually just came out from the new england journal of medicine just this week a similar study basically saying the same thing wow how they figured out and how that poop was maintained i don't know as long as there was a lot more parasites in them basically uh i don't know. So there was a lot more parasites in them, basically? I don't know if it was parasites, but just more diversity.

Different kinds of bugs. That makes us stronger. 70% of American diets process foods now. It's crazy. It's really high. That's too high. Way too high. In the last 30 years,

the diversity of the diet, like ethnic foods and all that, has reduced by 50%. So we're eating 50% less diverse foods than we used to, which is like, and even the organic spinach we get from the grocery store now in a plastic container comes off a conveyor belt. That's grown in the same dirt again and again and again. That's not diversity. I mean, it's good, it's organic, but it's not microbial diversity. Fruit and veggies don't taste the same. When I was a kid, I remember like really bold flavors.

Yeah. You know? Yeah., I remember really bold flavors. Yeah. You know? Yeah. The soil epidemic seems really problematic. I mean, the minerals are just devoid in the soils because we keep using it again and again and again. And then the farmers will put minerals back in there and oftentimes overshoot the runway

and actually create mineral toxicity. Whoa. So it's sort of a random. I mean, it's like you get too much or you get none. It's a crazy world right now. Yeah, so we got to start our own farms at home then. Yeah, exactly. That's the only way to know the source and everything.

Because the pesticides is another problem too. Yeah. I mean, it's in water now. Yeah, it's everywhere. It's crazy. And like I said, those pesticides, they compromise our ability to digest those, which is why we want to bubble wrap our diet, but that's not the solution. Yeah.

Now, nuts are kind of controversial. I hear so many opinions on that. What's your take on nuts and seeds? Again, they're a hard-to-digest protein. You need a good, strong stomach acid to do it. And if you're stressed out, eating a bunch of junk, your digestive strength is going to weaken. You're not going to break down those nuts. And here's a quote from the studies. If you don't break the proteins and the fats down completely, they'll go in completely into your intestinal tract. They'll be too big to get into your blood. They'll get uptaken into the collecting ducts of your lymphatic system,

and that'll create extra weight around your bellies, rashes out of your skin-associated lymph in your skin. It'll create congested respiratory lymph, and your brain lymph, as we mentioned, dumps three pounds of plaque. It'll actually start accumulating in your brain chemistry and creating more severe problems. Wow. Yeah.

So that's why we have to have good digestion. It's the key. Is it true only 10% of the cells in the human body are human? Yeah. I mean, most of it's microbes. Yeah. That is crazy. We evolved to create a home that moves around

and spreads the bugs around with our poop. We eat, we poop, and we keep moving, and we keep spreading the bugs around so the bugs survive. We're here for, I mean really when you think about it logically, we're here for them. So we're 90% bugs. Yeah. That is crazy. That is crazy, yeah. Holy crap. Yeah, and they may, and there's even studies that show that when you can take a toddler and look at the bugs in their gut and actually predict if it's gonna become a doctor, a lawyer, or an artist. What? Yeah. From the bugs? It's called psychobiotics. Yeah. You can totally tell by their microbiome, their core microbiome,

where their tendencies, likes, dislikes, propensities are going to be. Really? It's crazy. Yeah. I wonder if there's one for entrepreneurship because it seems like a lot of people say they're born with it. We should check your bugs. Yeah. I'd be interested. That's crazy. So you're really born with a set path in life then? Yeah. There's a core level and then there's stuff we add on, but yeah, for sure. Dang. Is there any influence on that? Can you change the bugs?

You can totally change the bugs. I mean, you can't change the core level, but a lot of times what happens, you take some antibiotics, right? You kill off a lot of the bugs. In short order, they all come back. There's no vacancy ever. But what comes back can be bugs

that don't do anything good or bad. They just take up all the real estate. And then, so there are ways to kind of get rid of some of those opportunistic bugs that don't do anything and repopulate with colonizing probiotics, ones that have been proven to stick to your gut lining and become permanent, versus most of the probiotics on the market are transient. They work, but you've got to keep taking them to keep the benefit. And I'm not a big fan of those because then I've got to sell a pill on a powder to somebody forever. The best way is to reset a microbiome and then start eating diverse foods in season

because the bugs in the soil change from one season to the next to the next. The bugs in our gut, according to the Hadza tribes, Tanzania tribes, and the Hadza hunter-gatherer tribes, their bugs change from one season to the next to the next. So we should be eating in a more seasonal way to inoculate the bugs, you know, the gut with the right bugs for the right season to sort of decongest you in the spring from allergies, get rid of heat in the summer, and boost your immunity in the winter. That's how it works. We eat like the same food processed every day.

It's a bad look. Yeah, I got off probiotics actually. I used to take those. I'm on a bad look. Yeah. I got off probiotics actually. I used to take those. I'm on fermented veggies now. Yeah. I like those. Doing something like that or doing something that's going to make a permanent change is what you want to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a fan of antibiotics also. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got to do it. You got to do it, you know, because they do save lives, but you know, you got to do something after to kind of help repair and reboot. Yeah. So what should you do after if you take that for a week? Soluble fiber, like a slippery elm, licorice, marshmallow, flax, chia, the soluble fiber, make a tea out of it and drink it throughout the day and just coat your whole gut like the

Pepto-Bismol commercial with soluble fiber. That's a prebiotic and it's a healing agent for the lining. And that soluble fiber attaches to the bile. So in your liver, there's bile like a Pac-Man gobbling up toxins. Eat some fatty food, the bile grabs the fat in your intestine tract. The fiber takes all that fat and toxins to the toilet. If you don't have enough fiber in your diet, all those toxins get reabsorbed back to your liver, 93% of it. So we end up just kind of re-washing the same dirty dishes again and again and again. So you do that to kind of create a fertilizer for healing the environment. And then you take like the fermented vegetables or some type of colonizing probiotic and maybe some saccharomyces and things like that to knock off some of the yeast and some of the opportunistic bad bacteria.

But there's definitely ways to reboot that. I treat that in my practice all the time, SIBO and chronic issues with digestion. That's sort of an Ayurvedic medicine. That's like the king pin. You have to evaluate the digestion and the lymph first. And if you fix those things, the lymph's like the drains in your body taking the trash out. Digestion is like the faucets bringing the stuff in. If those two things are broken, you're going to pay a price. What's the Ayurvedic approach with vaccines? Is that something you guys get at all?

They didn't have vaccines 2,000 years ago. I mean, they had really interesting ways of doing it. They would take, you know, 24-karat gold and then heat it up and then put it in water and create these gold tonics. I've never seen any studies to show that that actually works, but they didn't have vaccines back then. You know, and I think my personal opinion on vaccines is that we give these little kids at four months old way too much too soon. Like in Europe, they wait a year before they start giving vaccines.

You know, when a baby's being nursed, you have a lot of immunity there. And when these kids are so small and they're getting injected, it's sometimes just too much too soon is my opinion. I agree. Now they're finding heavy metals in some of them too. Well, that's been taken out now. So that used to be the case. But nowadays the heavy metals have been taken out. So you're right.

There was a thing, but not a thing anymore. So that's a good thing. They've made some adjustments there. The problem is you can't sue them if anything goes wrong. That's the problem. Those are tough to get out of your body because I just did a parasite cleanse. I still have decently high heavy metal count in my blood. Oh, really?

Yeah, I took my blood a couple weeks ago. Really? There's absolutely ways to get that out of there I can share with you. Okay. Take some high doses of EDTA. Arsenic was my highest, and that was surprising to me because I'm very— Do you eat a lot of rice? Not really, but I used to eat a lot of Indian, so maybe it compiled.

I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah. I love Indian rice, the basmati rice or whatever. Yeah, that rice. A lot of plant vegetables, plants will pull certain heavy metals. That's what they do. That's something that they knew thousands of years ago, and they actually created detoxes for the body to help get the heavy metal load out of the body

because they knew that there were issues with you know certain toxins building up in the body yeah um so there are definitely ways to handle that so you got to be careful what plants you're eating then if they're absorbing those heavy metals you got to make sure you know what soil it's growing in and if you get if you get herbs that that are fda certified what are called gmp certified like our herbs that we have we carry you have, we have to test them when we get them in the raw material, and we've got to test them again after we make a formula. So we have a formula called Turmeric Plus, which is turmeric, 16 parts, one part black pepper.

And the absorption, the study showed, when you put those two together, the absorption goes up by 2,000%. Holy crap. By just mixing them together like a curry kind of a thing. So we got some stuff in. We tested the turmeric. We tested the black pepper.

We put them together, and the bugs exploded. My guy called me up and said, John, these are like probiotics. I mean, there's no bad bugs, but they're just unbelievable. And that's sort of the cool thing about understanding how to traditionally blend herbs and foods together in old recipes and things because you make something it's called nutrient synergy you make something better by taking two things that like each other and put them together and now you make something that's really going to inoculate your gut with a whole bunch of new bugs where our food is just like you know we don't have

any tradition time tested wisdom behind it we just eat stuff that we think tastes good right but the tradition was do things that would be passed on. And the reason it was passed on and not thrown out is because it did something special. Is there a way to tell if the bugs inside you are harmful versus helpful? Yeah, you can get your microbiome tested for sure. Oh, your stool? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, do a stool test for sure. I've never done one of those. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit of a moving target because things are always changing, but if you have some bad stuff in there ever, you kind of want to deal with that. Interesting.

Yeah, but in Ayurveda, thousands of years ago, they talked about bugs that were invisible, and they called them crimmy. They couldn't see them, but they knew they were there. But they also said don't kill them. They said change the environment. Make the environment in such a way that the bugs don't want to be there. But they also said, don't kill them. They said, change the environment. Make the environment in such a way that the bugs don't want to be there. And let the good bugs take care of the bad bugs. You know what I mean? So as opposed to just, like, we just want to kill everything,

kill everything. And that creates an environment destruction. So now we have an environment that doesn't support the good bugs anymore. So we just get more and more bad. We clean them out, but then they just come right back because we've changed the environment. Yeah. Has Ayurveda taken off in other countries and regions? You know, I've been doing it. I've been in practice for 40 years now, practicing Ayurveda full-time after coming back from India. And I would have thought that because it's such a cool system, it's all about living in harmony with nature and circadian rhythms. And I would have thought it would have exploded by now, but I don't know why. Maybe it's because it lacks the science

and that's what I try to bring to the table is the ancient wisdom and the science, you know, I don't know. That's a, it's a, it's a really good question. It's an, it's the all Indian Ayurveda Congress is the largest medical organization in the world and it's been forever and nobody knows about it. That's crazy. I've never heard about it actually. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's nuts. So it's only been around for thousands of years, more than longer than Chinese medicine. So it's sort of amazing to me it hasn't just blown up. Is it similar to Chinese medicine? Similar. They use the elements and they understand the seasons and our relation to the seasons and how there's herbs that will heat you up. So if you're of a body type that throws off the covers all the time and you're eating hot, spicy food all the time and

hot herbs, you're going to overheat. So there's herbs that will cool you down and summer nature provides the antidote to the heat in the summer with a tarvus cooling fruits and vegetables so nature had this incredible plan like in the winter you get nuts and seeds warms you up when it's cold yeah spring you get you get bitter roots like the dandelions in your garden that will kind of suck up all the mucus and the potential allergies you know issues that you might have so nature had this plan and Ayurveda is just a study of that plan, like a really in-depth study. Yeah. How does the circadian rhythm stuff work? Because a lot of people use alarm clocks to wake up. Yeah. You know, not the best thing to really be doing. You know, I had a patient of mine. I used to travel around when I was with Deepak

many years ago and I would go and do consultations. And I, this guy, he said, yeah, I woke up every morning with a headache and I treated him and nothing happened. I came back three months later, saw him again, treat him again, nothing happened. And I said, when do you go to bed? And he goes like two or three in the morning. And I go, what time do you wake up? And he goes, maybe 11 or 12 in the day. And I said, oh, my God. I said, tonight go to bed at, get in bed around 8 o'clock. Take out a boring book, not my book. Take out a boring book.

And when your eye, and go to sleep. As soon as your eyes get tired, go to sleep. Shut the lights out and go to sleep right then and there. And as soon as your eyes open in the morning, 5.05, whatever it is, just get out of bed and walk around. I don't care if you're walking around like a zombie. Just get out of bed. And he did that.

He called me back like two weeks later and he said, you know what, that's the first time in years I woke up without a headache. Wow. And then he got mad at me because I didn't actually fix him the first time because it was so simple. I was like, wow.

But circadian rhythms are, you know, our biological clocks in our body have to be in sync with nature's circadian rhythms. And if we don't have that synchrony, we're going to pay a price. Chronic issues, DNA damage, diabetes, extra weight, poor digestion, can't sleep at night. It's amazing. 8 p.m. is early for a lot of people to go to sleep. Well, that was just to get him to experience some change because he you know, out of whack on the other side of

things. Yeah. I just wanted to see if I can get him to do it. They did another study in CU Boulder, and they took a bunch of Boulder types, healthy Boulder types, and they measured their circadian rhythms, their cortisol and their melatonin at night. And they were producing melatonin at 12 noon in the middle of the day, needing coffee to stay up.

They took the whole group, took them into the mountains, no cell phones, no light, bed with the sun, up with the sun. And in one week, they had a 100% reset of all their circadian rhythms and biological clocks. Wow.

So we can do that. Like even like I talk about, they did a weekend study, a follow-up study, and they got 68% reduction. So we can do like a no artificial light weekend at home. You know, just kind of get in, turn the lights out, no Wi-Fi,

just shut it down for a weekend and reset those clocks. So the trick is to go to bed when the sun sets and then wake up when it rises. Two hours after the sun sets would be a good time to do it and then get up before the sunrise. Before the sunrise. You got to be there when the sun starts, day starts for sure. I got to look up when it rises out here. Yeah, right.

Probably like 7 a.m. It's early right now. I mean, right now it's probably more like 5. It's early. I will say when I go outside right away, I feel better when I wake up rather than when I stay in bed and go on my phone. Yeah, that light, that morning light is exclusively infrared light and red light, and that penetrates your skin.

It activates an enzyme in your body that actually makes ATP energy, vitality, and the more light you get in the morning, the more melatonin you're going to produce at night to get deeper sleep. So that light in the morning is what heals you and prepares you and gives you energy for the day. And it actually heals your skin. So in the middle of the day when the UV radiation comes, you've got the UV that protected you from the damage.

And in the afternoon when the sun sets, you get more of that red and infrared light that actually heals you from any uv uv damage or uv radiation damage you might have gotten nature had a plan you know but we just sort of get out there in the middle of the day lie there try to get a tan and burn you know yeah and nature you know people who are out all day long the traditional folks they don't have those issues it's damaging, when you're out during the peak? Because Brian Johnson only goes outside when the UV is under three. Right.

So that's like early morning and late at night. Yeah. And he said anything above that can cause skin damage. Right. But don't forget that the UVA radiation, the one that everybody tries to paint sunscreen on for, in 1901 won the Nobel Prize for healing skin conditions and autoimmune concerns.

Really? Won the Nobel Prize. You skin conditions and autoimmune concerns. Really? Won the Nobel Prize. You might remember seeing pictures of hospitals where they would wheel people out on the balconies in the old pictures. The reason they would wheel all the patients on the balconies was because of the Nobel Prize in science that the UVA radiation, which we think is so bad, actually has a healing effect now. It's a matter of dose, right?

You can't get too much of that. But it's not that there's nothing wrong with the sun it's just that we end up getting way too much of it and we don't have the uv infrared light in the beginning or the infrared light at the end to protect ourselves so we have to try to plug that into the equation yeah i think sunscreen is one of the best marketing campaigns of all time yeah i mean that is a trillion dollar industry now right sunscreen yeah it's amazing and now they're finding out it might actually harm you one of the best marketing campaigns of all time. I mean, that is a trillion dollar industry now, right? Sunscreen. Yeah, it's amazing. And now they're finding out it might actually harm you. Depending on what they're putting in it,

you know, for sure, you know. But again, you know, skin cancer is a real thing as well. And people are getting way too much, you know, too much intense radiation at one time without having the natural preparation. And we do burn. It can be a problem. What's the Ayurvedic approach to dealing with diseases like that,

cancer and the deadly ones? You know, in Ayurveda, the definition for cancer is that the cells lost their memory of proper function. So they started to go rogue. They were starving. They didn't have enough. They didn't have the nutrition coming in and the waste coming out. So they didn't have the nutrition to divide and become two healthy new cells because they couldn't get the good stuff in because of poor digestion. They couldn't get the waste out because of lymphatic drainage,

congestive issues. So now the cells are going, well, how do I divide and become two new cells? And we go, we don't have enough nutrition. There's a big trash backlog. So the body starts actually dividing in an aberrant way, one that doesn't require so much nutrition to divide in a complete way. So the cells lose their memory of proper function and they go rogue. And so the treatment would be to restore the nutrition in, fix that digestive piece and make sure your drainage systems, your lymph, your skin as a detox organ, your intestinal tract, your digestion, make sure you can detoxify well. If you can't get the trash out, you're going to pay a price.

And the thing that goes wrong with most of us most of the time is getting rid of the trash. You know, people get swollen rings on their fingers. Their skin breaks out. They get extra weight around their belly. Their joints begin to ache. They can't sleep at night. These are all, that's brain lymph congestion. These are all trash removal systems. And once you understand why that's there and detoxify that lymph and support

digestion, the body tends to heal itself. You get out of the way. Don't just try to kill the thing and fix the disease. We're just trying to bring the body back in balance, let things do what they're supposed to do. Yeah. I've read some books on people actually treating cancer just through diet change. Oh yeah. Which is crazy. And that's sort of doing the same thing. You're just getting the body back into that balance and diet with good bugs, you know, that have the whole bio is when they actually have the plant chemistry and the microbiome together. And when you put those together, you've got a whole food with intelligence. You know, there's bugs on plants and herbs, if they're whole herbs, not extracts, that are actually called bacterial endophytes. And those bugs support the growth,

the longevity, the intelligence, the potency, and the immunity of that plant. So when you strip it down, you know, spray pesticides on our food or, you know, create extracts of herbs that are sterile, they're going to be more like a drug that's going to have a benefit, but it's going to have a consequence. But when you use the whole plant, the whole food, this isn't nutritional, nutrient synergy. It's actually working with you, helping the body do its job as opposed to doing the job for the body. And at the end of the day, we all want to be able to do it ourselves. Right. Yeah. What do you think of America fortifying and enriching most of their grains? You know, the crazy thing about whole wheat in America, you take the wheat and you put it into the grinder. And for it to be called whole wheat,

it only has to weigh 51% of what it actually started with. Wow. That's a whole grain. And then what they do is then they fortify it. I mean, need I say more? I mean, that's just insane. Yeah. So it's not even bread at that point. No, that's why in Europe, people go, why do I go to Europe and feel better when I eat the wheat? Well, because the whole wheat here is 49% of what it once was.

Wow. And where did all that go? And so there they're using the whole grain, they're grinding, you're getting all the nutrition and they're making their bread every single day. You know, the,

the, the, you've, I'm sure you've had many podcasts. I think I've heard a couple on seed oils, but what they figured out with the seed oils is they make things, they make things stay on the shelf longer. They extend shelf life.

Of course, not our life. And you put that oil in a loaf of bread and now the bread never gets hard. When I was a kid, there were bakeries and they had to make bread every day because it would get hard at the end of the day. They'd give it away the next day. Now you put seed oils in that stuff and the bugs on the counter that normally eat oil won't go near it. The bugs in your gut that normally eat oil won't go near it. So where does all the oil that nobody, none of your microbiome is going to eat go? To the trash can,

which is your lymph and your liver. And now you have liver congestive issues, lymphatic congestive issues. And that's usually what we're trying to do is reboot lymph and liver function. I was so disappointed. I went to Wegmans recently and I grew up eating their bread every day as a kid and every single bread had seed oil. Yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. It's so hard to find in a grocery store. Couldn't even eat Wegmans bread. I grew up eating their olive oil bread every day. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And that stuff was supposed to cure heart disease, right? And that didn't work. So they had us use it to make the inside of the grocery store stay on the shelf forever. Yeah. It's crazy. Plus a lot lot of them have the Enriched and Fortified, which I have the MTFR gene break or whatever,

which 50% of people have. So they're actually eating stuff they're allergic to, and they don't even know. Right. They can't break it down. Yeah, it's crazy. And that's in almost every single pasta too. Yeah.

That's why understanding how nature, like every spring, if you ate only what nature provided in the spring, there ain't a lot happening. You can't harvest any pasta or pizza in the spring. It's a pretty what nature provided in the spring, there ain't a lot happening. You can't harvest any pasta or a pizza in the spring. It's a pretty austere time of the year. That's why all the fasting and the religious fasting is done in the spring. So that's a time to really go into a calorie-restricted time and force ketogenesis where you're burning fat, and inside the fat is all the toxins. So that's when you go do the really deep detox of your tissues, because we

are going to accumulate some heavy metals or toxins. That's what we need to do. But we don't eat seasonally anymore. We just eat the same old food. And so that's such a simple way to start is just start. We have a, I wrote one of my books called The Three Season Diet, which is eating with the harvest of spring and the harvest of summer and the harvest of fall for winter eating because there's three harvests that we actually eat from and one of those seasons is a resting dormant season which is winter

so we have a grocery list which is free on my website for winter you just circle the foods on on that list that you like and eat more of them doesn't mean you have to only eat them but you want to get medicinal dosages of the foods in that season yeah right and then And so you inoculate your gut with the right bugs for that right season. And then you have a list for spring, circle of foods, eat more of those, same thing with summer. And now you're starting to get yourself locked into being connected to the rhythms of nature from a food perspective, which is why we're here, because we eat foods in season. I love that. A lot of people do the same thing every day, chicken and rice, whatever it is. Exactly. And we think it's good because it's healthier, but we're not inoculating

the guts. We're not changing the bugs. It's the same thing. That, that has a tribe thing was a really funny study where they saw that the bugs in the gut change from one season to the next, to the next, but the men had a stable of bugs that were really good for digesting protein, meat protein. And the women and the children and the grandfolks had a stable of bugs that was really good at digesting vegetable protein and starches. And they were like, okay, how does that work? Well, the men every morning would wake up and they'd go out on their hunting trip. And then they'd come back empty-handed.

And they'd go, oh, we didn't have anything. And they would eat what everybody put together. But somewhere out there, they were eating some meat all by themselves because it was only the men that had the bugs in their gut for meat. It was sort of really interesting, but it was because they were the hunters

and they were eating more of that meat. Wow. Dr. John, it's been fun. What's next for you? I know you got the new book, right? Yeah, I got my book called Eat Wheat, Body, Mind, and Sport. I'm also teaching a breathing course

with the SHIFT Network that's coming up this July, which is a seven-week in-depth course about breathing techniques, which is going to be really cool. Nice. We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for being here.

Thanks for watching, guys. As always, I will see you tomorrow.