Digital Social Hour - Red Light Vs. Cancer: Cutting-Edge Biohacking Explained | Jonathan Otto DSH #1401

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Discover the revolutionary world of biohacking as Sean Kelly dives deep into red light therapy vs. cancer with viral guest John Otto! 🚨✨ This episode of Digital Social Hour unpacks cutting-edge health secrets, from stem cells and detox techniques to the surprising benefits of red light therapy. 🌟 Learn how biohacking can enhance energy, improve performance, combat chronic illnesses, and even support anti-aging! Whether you're curious about innovative wellness tools or intrigued by bold health experiments, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won’t want to miss. 💡 Join the conversation as John Otto shares eye-opening facts about urine therapy, stem cell regeneration, and how ancient practices meet modern science for groundbreaking results. 🧬✨ Plus, discover why red light therapy is hailed as a game-changer for skin rejuvenation, pain relief, and even cancer remission. 🚀 Tune in now and see how these mind-blowing therapies could transform your health. Don't miss out—hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more insider secrets on the Digital Social Hour! 📺🔥 Watch now and join the wellness revolution! 🙌 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 01:25 - Is Urine Waste? 07:54 - Morning Urine Color Changes 10:05 - Benefits of Aged Urine for Skin 13:36 - Understanding Postbiotics 17:20 - Red Light Therapy vs. Infrared Saunas 18:09 - Research on Red Light Therapy 24:30 - Studies on Blue Light Therapy 31:05 - Recommended Documentaries 32:18 - Mahatma Movement Overview 33:21 - Science Feedback Critique 34:10 - Media Critique on Chlorine Dioxide 38:00 - Urine Therapy: Scientific Debate 44:33 - Impact of Microplastics 46:10 - Health Risks of Formaldehyde 48:56 - Understanding Cysts 52:23 - Home Red Light Therapy Solutions 54:47 - Discount Code for Red Light Therapy Panels APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Jonathan Otto https://www.instagram.com/jonno.otto SPONSORS: THERASAGE: https://therasage.com/ AMNISIA: https://buyamnisia.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are solely those of the individuals appearing on the podcast and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. While we encourage open and honest conversations, Sean Kelly is not legally responsible for any statements, claims, or opinions made by guests during the show. Listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions and consult professionals for advice where appropriate. Content on this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice. Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad #redlighttherapy #photobiomodulation #redlighttherapyforeyes #redlighttherapyforweightloss #redlighttherapyfortheeyes #redlighttherapy #prostatecancer #lungcancer #photobiomodulation #redlighttherapyformaculardegeneration

It's more sterile than the blood. Wow. It's the purification of the blood and this is why it's safe to then re-consume. Even the concept of vampires like drinking blood and living forever. Urine is blood. It's plasma ultrafiltrate, which is plasma blood ultrafiltrate. Ultrafiltrate blood.

That's all it is. And so you're going to see everything that's in the blood you'll see in the urine. Alright guys, he is back. One of my most viral guests ever, John Otto. Thanks for coming back on, man. Oh, welcome, Sean. Yeah, we stirred up some stuff on the first one. Yeah, we did. Oh my gosh, we had a lot of haters, a lot of people seemed intrigued. A lot of interest. I'm sure we at least compelled people to look more into urine therapy, right? True. True. It was good, man. I was glad to go into the battle with you or rope you in on my quest.

Yeah, it's true. It's true. Did you get affected by it or? Oh, no, not at all. I just laugh about all that kind of stuff just because I'm very confident in the research. People think I do it for attention, but it's definitely not. I was very concerned originally. I thought I'm going to lose my credibility over this issue, but the science was so clear for me, and people's lives are on the line.

The universal accessibility of this, to me, I think everyone has a responsibility to explain it to others. So yeah, I was fine with it. Yeah, I can live with all that Yeah, let's debunk some of the videos because some people were saying urine is waste, right? Yeah, that's like the biggest thing that people tell you about it. I'd assume. Yeah, exactly So yeah, so they think it's waste because that's what they've been told and and they just use a basic logic That the body's getting rid of it. So therefore it's waste but then breast milk It's coming out of the breasts the body's getting rid of it so therefore it's waste but then breast milk it's coming out of the breast the body's getting rid of it but you know it's not waste and then semen you know it's coming out of the body but it's not waste.

Urine your body needs to balance blood pressure so you need to urinate but it doesn't mean that your body's dumping out its waste. If it were then why would babies be living in their urine? Which is a point that I made, but it's such an important point because they urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day in the womb. Wow. So they're drinking their own urine. Every day, copious amounts, hundreds of milliliters for a fetus, a small baby compared compared to you,

I mean, that's more than its body weight in most cases of its urine per day. So why would it be consuming its own waste? What do we not understand about what's going on here? And then you'd say, maybe, well, the baby has a toxic-free environment because the umbilical cord is giving the fluids of the mother and it's all very sterile and safe and clean.

But the opposite is true. So the umbilical cord when it was tested for just 400 of the thousands of chemicals that they should have tested for, they found 287. Whoa. Of those, you know how many were proven to cause cancer? I'm assuming a lot. 180. 180. Uh, more than 200 cause, uh, proven to cause, uh, birth defects and brain deformations.

So now how does the baby, when it's growing and it's urinating and drinking its urine and it's using whatever is going on here is responsible for the growth of the baby. So what's going in is actually causing the growth of the baby. And now it's apparently getting filled with toxins. It doesn't make any sense because what the baby's actually doing is canceling its problems. So what you get in urine is the blood

filtered through the kidneys. You have a metabolite. It's a signaling molecule that is how the body signals itself to remove that certain toxin. So water holds memory. So you're going to see a structure that looks like mercury or lead or formaldehyde of life you're gonna see these structures but they're in infinitesimal amounts so and not

not harmful amounts which is but more importantly it's in a form that is available to the body to act as a signaling molecule to signal the body to remove it but not in a way that it attaches to the body and causes toxicity. And this is, it makes sense then why babies thrive in the womb, why they regenerate. If people like Dr. Ben Carson did surgeries in the womb and they would come out as if they had never had a surgery and people would wonder, you know, why is this happening? Was because urine is filled with stem cells. And so they're in the womb and any like scarring or cutting that would happen

would get regenerated by the amniotic fluid which is urine. Wow so when you get a c-section the stem cells help it recover more? Well yeah so you'll see a scar on the outside of the woman but on the inside there's no scar. Whoa because the urine. Yes. Holy crap. Well think about it if you had stem cells where where are all the stem cells coming from when people get stem cell therapy? From the placenta right? Yeah, it's the umbilical cord, cord blood, wardens jelly, which is around the cord and the amniotic fluid.

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It's not, it doesn't discriminate. It doesn't have a way to remove that from the baby not receiving that. But it has a mechanism to deal with it, which is the urine. Surprisingly, so, urine is the way the body deals with toxicity. And so, when you have toxins in your body, the way to signal what you actually have in your body is to drink your own urine, which signals then your olfactory gland,

gives your body all the information it needs to know about what the specific poisons are and how to remove them. So people that do it, you watch their mercury levels, all the different markers for toxicity go down. They immediately on the onset go up slightly, which is showing that there's a challenging agent that's being activated, but then they drop off.

And yeah, it chelates. It removes the toxins. Yeah. Why is urine so much darker in the morning when you first get up? Well, it's dehydration. And there is a high concentration of stem cells in the morning urine

because you're generating stem cells while you're sleeping. Right. And so you have a higher concentration of all the metabolites because there's been over 5,600 small molecule metabolites identified in urine. And there's a high concentration of these. That's part of the reason why it's darker. And then you haven't been drinking water for the last eight, nine hours or however long you've slept. So then, so you have a high concentration. But it is, it is more powerful. It's more effective. Most, all the cultures that have done this, which is practically every established civilization, has used urine as a medicine and as an anti-aging.

This was before biohacking was a thing, but they used it as the fountain of youth. It was always understood as the metabolic distillation of the blood, the fountain of youth, the elixir of the, uh, the elixir of youth. That was what it was all referred to. Yeah. And the sculpture of the fountain of youth is a little boy ping. Whoa. I never looked into it that deeply, but that makes sense.

Yeah. Whoa. I never looked into it that deeply, but that makes sense. Yeah. And then you look at the studies on the stem cells, the younger you are, the stem cells that are in your urine, which Wake Forest found 100 million, I can talk about that study in a 24-hour urine sample, which is amazing because it's about 20 million, sorry, it's about $20,000 worth of stem cells, which on a daily basis though, which equates to somewhere around the vicinity of $5 million plus worth of stem cells per individual. That's crazy. Yes.

People are kind of saying that they don't have the money to do all the things that all the rich and wealthy people have and do, but the reality is they have this at their fingertips. They just don't know. It's to me, it's lies and misinformation that causes people not to know what's on access to them. But anyway, these cultures that came before us all understood this not to be toxic waste, but they understood it to be a powerful agent and they were used. Brought to you by Amnesia Vodka, crafted to leave an impression.

For all these different practices when it came to health, longevity, and even dealing with chronic diseases, including the big C word. Yeah. Are you still using it on your face? Yeah. That club went viral, man. Yeah, exactly. Dude, yeah, and I've done some additions to that. Oh, yeah? What are you doing now? Well, for starters, okay, so that Wake Forest study, it was showing 100 million stem cells,

but it was aged for three weeks. Did you remember me mentioning this? No, was that on the first episode, the Wake Forest study? I think I, I'm sure I would have mentioned it. It's like in the back of my mind, but okay. So they took 10 adult males and some were 20 to 40, and then some were 50 and up. And they tested their stem cells in their urine.

They found 140 in the fresh, complete 24 hour urine sample. But then when they aged it for three weeks, it proliferated into 100 million. Oh yes, you did mention this. The rate of proliferation was one times 10 to the power of eight. So it's an exponential growth rate. Urine itself is a culture medium. They did use a culture medium, but urine itself is a culture medium. Because notice the baby's in the womb.

They don't have anything that's added into that. But that's where all these stem cells are, which makes sense why the baby's lungs are formed by the urine, which is referred to as amniotic fluid, which is almost entirely urine, which goes into the nose and mouth and forms the lungs of the baby at eight weeks. So the lungs are actually formed by the amniotic fluid, which we now know as of 2008, urine is filled with stem cells and has stem cells, which we didn't know until 2008.

And by 2022, we understood that now, well, there's a hundred million once it's aged for three weeks. So the fact that the baby's living in its own urine for this entire duration, like about nine months, is showing you that it's living in this culture medium. And then later people all want this fluid for their stem cell injections for their knees. And it's all just the urine. But anyway, so based on this then the regime that I worked out was to one,

just age the urine for at least three weeks. Sometimes I would do it for like six months or a year. I must look funky at that point. Well, I had to actually do have some here. Y'all this guy. Oh my God. It's six months old in your backpack right now. Yeah. Dude, you're wild. And you fly around with that. I did this time because I was just like,

I would now because I, it's actually the first time I flew with it. But because sometimes I was like, oh man, I'm away from the place, from my home. I wish I had that age during. Yeah. My wife actually threw out a bunch of it recently.

Ah, she got sick of it? Well, she just couldn't problem solve quick enough. So she was, she was like, oh, people are coming here and they might find this cabinet thing and then so she ended up like throwing I'm like baby could have just moved that somewhere else but anyway I decided not to hold it against her and just realized that there's more where that came from so yeah but even though I'd aged it for like two years so whoa two years so the amount of stem cells in that must have been insane yeah I think so like I don't know where it stops,

because we know that we had that study. I don't know where it stops. But I'd imagine at least up until nine months, just because that's what the baby is doing. So anyway, so I get that aged urine and then exfoliate the skin and then put it directly on my face. It's strong, but it also is interesting though,

because if you look at animals, they're attracted by each other's urine. Really? Oh, dogs are, right? Yeah, and like deer, when people go deer hunting, and I'm not a fan, but they'll spray the urine and so to attract the deer. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, all that kind of stuff. But post-biotics, there's studies on tributerone or butyrate, which is partners choosing their partners off this subconscious scent that they get, which is a post-biotic, which is butyrate, which is partners choosing their partners off this subconscious scent that they get, which is a postbiotic, which is butyrate, which is in urine. Interesting. So you choose your partner based off the smell of their urine? Yeah, off of feces.

Really? Yeah, well, it's a postbiotic. So you know, prebiotics turn to probiotics turn to postbiotics. And so it's once your food undergoes the whole process, which would be, you know, anyway, I didn't think I'd get into that. But yeah, well, there's like, so which could be, so there's just these scents that we're getting from people that we don't realize, but they're super subconscious. But we can smell people like everything, right? And like animals understand it.

That's why you see them actually do a lot of that. They're communicating that level. I'm just saying that the things that we think are gross subconsciously are actually things that can be attractive. It's got a musky smell, but anyway, you put it on your skin and it'll just absorb into your skin. And then you can wash it off.

The other thing that I did was really crazy where I'd actually like exfoliate the skin and then put it in like a bucket or something. It was like a food fruit bowl. And then I got a snorkel. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.

There was that much of it dude? Yeah well is this like because if I put my face in then I gotta pull it out because I gotta breathe. Yeah yeah. And by the way I only did this just because yeah I guess everyone cares about like their skin or whatever and like I'm what one year short of 40 and so I you, you just kind of, you know, and I had a lot of health challenges as a kid. So there's lots of things that could have caused me to turbo age, I got baldness on both sides of the family,

or, you know, so there's just, you know, like why not stay ahead, but also I just wanted to experiment on this and see, cause like a lot of women that I then taught about this, they explained that when they used the age urine it was like a facelift. And like, it was like they literally went and got a facelift. That's how powerful the urine is.

I mean, you're putting stem cells directly in your skin and they're meant to be absorbed in the skin because they go through, you know, urea is in the urine, which is in all the expensive skincare products. We talked about that. How it's the most absorbable substance. And that's why it's one of the only, if not the only, clinically proven skin moisturizer

to put water back in the cells because your blood Filtered then it easily goes back in now. It can deliver those stem cells back into your skin, right? So you don't have to do the expensive vampire facials with a PRP platelet-rich plasma. It's super painful doesn't I had it done once? It didn't seem to work Botox super Invasive like super harmful. It's a botulism toxin. It'll paralyze your face. It like eventually makes you like, you know, turbo age. Almost paralyzed too. Yeah, exactly. Because it's working off these like kind of poisons that are like venoms, but they're... A botulism toxin works exactly like a venom.

So these things... Anyway, so I put the snorkel on. I put my face in and just like let it sit in there. I've only done it like a couple times, but I I'm gonna do it more just to experiment with it. But like there are ways, cause then you could just sit there for like half an hour, let it absorb in. It takes you like what half an hour to drive to an appointment and sit in the line and pay a lot of money.

You sit there for an hour. It's way quicker, cheaper, arguably a lot better. That's fascinating. Did you see any wrinkles go away? Yeah, yeah. Wow. And to me to combine it with red light therapy is really cool. Yeah, we're going to dive into that next.

Yeah. Yeah, so do you do both every day? Yeah, yeah. Like almost every day. Like sometimes you just kind of forget or you're just like doing whatever, but I would say practically every day. I, yeah, like maybe I'll miss one or two days out of the week kind of thing. Right. And this is a specific red light therapy we're talking about. Cause I asked you about the infrared sauna. Yeah. What you're talking about is different.

Yeah, exactly. Infrared sauna is using a far infrared and which is around 2000, 3000 nanometers. And so it kind of shoots past the target. It's good for heating the core body temperature. And so I think that people ought to do these types of things, but it's almost an entirely different thing. So red and near infrared, and then other light, like yellow, orange, blue, which is all the way down to 480.

The optical, it's known as the optical window, which is the 700 to 1200 nanometers. That is where the red light really shines in, pardon the pun, and the clinical studies are just mind-blowing. Yeah, let's dive into it. So what's the biggest study you like to show people when you're getting into this?

Well, that one that I was just showing you off camera is mind-blowing, right? So there's a 2006 pilot study, and I can say this in a way that is, look, firstly, this is for informational purposes only, educational purposes only, not intended to diagnose, treat or cure any condition or disease. This is just referencing studies so people can then go research them themselves and that's a really important

aspect there. Okay so what they found in that 2006 pilot study, which you can find on PubMed, specifically on lymphoma, the finding that I read out, which was specifically that all treated patients achieved complete remission of, in this case, cutaneous B-cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions, which is photobiomodulation is red light therapy, photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent,

which could be a supplement or technically classed as a drug in some settings. Others just pure natural supplements like curcumin or berberine or even something that's kind of like a hybrid, which is methylene blue. So they use this and the results were, it was three patients, so it's a pilot study, but they all within one week achieved a complete remission as defined by complete absence of

cutaneous B-cell lymphoma as the finding, you know, dictated. And you saw that with your own eyes and I showed the study. Yeah, we'll link it in the description too. Pretty mind-blowing, right? The study, yeah. It's pretty, it's only three people, so we got got to say that but the fact that you said it's the same result for each person is a good sign right exactly you know and all within one week yeah so that was an 06 that was a while ago correct they haven't done any

newer ones yes they they have and for that particular study like that should then go into having you know hundreds or even thousands of people I don't know why why such an amazing finding then didn't follow up with a larger study. But the good news is that there are lots of great studies. Like the prostate cancer study was amazing because it was 413 participants and it was in Europe and they had 10 different control centers

published on major medical journals. And what they found in this study was that it was a two year study,. So now is a longer study 49% went into complete remission and then you'd say well then what was the control group those that didn't use red light and the answer is 13.5% So your likelihood was about four times greater of beating in this case prostate cancer going into remission if you used red light there Wow in conjunction they used a photosensitizer, which was a deep sea bacteria, which is super interesting.

That's not common. The other one that was used in the lymphoma study, which is more common, was amino-luvalinic acid, or 5-amino-luvalinic acid, or a methyl form, which is a photosensitizing agent. So it causes, and the mechanism is super important, of how, because your cells are designed to receive light. You're highly reactive being to light and you basically cannot live without it.

People talk all the time about diet, but I'm saying, well, okay, so there's carnivore, there's herbivore, you know, vegan, all this. To me, what I want to get people more clear on is heliovo, helio sun, right? So you, if there's any one thing that really humans are is that they're heliovoids. We're meant to be in the sun. And you look at studies like this, considering that red light therapy is just replicating the sunrise and the sunset. And then, and then rainbow like has blue and green, these different colors, and that they're also very effective for certain things. Like nothing corrects circadian rhythm better than 480, which is blue light.

Nothing helps with acne and skin rejuvenation better than 480. And neonatal care, babies in the womb, 480 blue. So these different colors all respond to people's bodies in different ways. But these photosensitizing agents help the absorption of light into the cells. And in this case, so you look at the cancer studies, it's specifically

around how the electromagnetic waves from the red lion causes the body to produce reactive oxygen species. One of which is singlet oxygen and singlet oxygen if you saw it in a military setting you'd see a missile get shot down out of the air using singlet oxygen Wow, your body produces it when stimulated by red line. Holy crap. It's that powerful? Yeah, it's fluorescent red inherently So to just like light up like a mini explosion It's amazing what and guess what it's most guess where it goes for tumor cells

That's it's it's specific for other tumor cells or senescent cells Which is cells that are not functioning properly that need to be cleared out of the body. So if you're not healthy, your body needs to clear out these unhealthy cells and needs to help feed the healthy cells with what they need. So that's where the reactive oxygen species like singlet oxygen target cancer cells, target other unhealthy cells and cause apoptosis, which is programmed cell death. It, that makes sense now why these studies are so profound. And the breast cancer study was using four different wavelengths. And now, now here's where wavelengths come in.

And it was an in vitro study. So in a Petri dish. And it was with triple negative and non triple negative breast cancer. And they irradiated with the nanometer of light at 615, 630, 660 and 730 nanometers which translates to millimeters so that's like 630 would be 6.3 millimeters and that's showing you the depth of penetration so it's going through the dermis into the epidermis and then then the deeper ones

like 810 which is near-infrared so you can't see to that point and that's this goes to the subcutaneous tissue, the bone, which improves bone density. They're even using it for bone cancers, it gets through the lungs, tinnitus, all the different deeper things that are like either in the brain, the organs. Anyway, so what they did with this is

they tested these four wavelengths. Only one was proven to be effective. And it was 660 that dropped the breast tumor proliferation by 40% in 24 hours. Wow. That quick? PubMed study, yeah. Holy crap, that's so fast.

So this stuff works immediately. It can, it can. And then it's active for that time. So it was irradiated 24 hours before, they tested it 24 hours later and watched the drop. So even though you did it yesterday or the day before, it's active in your body for that next period of time. And in many cases, some of these studies, they're doing like two or three treatments a week or more. Yeah. You mentioned blue light helps with acne earlier. Yeah.

Wow. I always thought blue light was bad for you for some reason. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. It's kind of like this debunked myth, which is super interesting. Even though, because we were just at a biohacking event and so like everyone's wearing their blue blockers. So it's a big like, and then you got me on talking about this and saying that blue light is good. But if I sat down with any other guys that were like presenting last night, they would agree with me on this because the science is too clear on it. It's the issue is, okay, one, if we were alleged to blue light,

then we should never go out in the sun in the middle of the day because it's almost primarily, it's a large part of it is blue light, which is why you also see it. Correct. And then the morning, sunset, sunrise, that's more red. But the sun during the middle of the day isn't bad. It's too much of it could be. And that's why even animals go, will go for shelter. They they they're not going to be continually always exposed there.

But the blue light, the issue is that these screens would be high flicker, right, without your eye noticing. So it's turning on and off constantly. And even though these studies are actually on LEDs, which is super interesting, the high quality LEDs don't flicker. So they're actually very effective. And it took the laser therapy that was developed back from,

by the way, this goes back to the 1903 when Dr. Niels Finsen won the Nobel Prize for light therapy to be remedial for lupus vulgaris. So this was around for a hundred years. Yeah, Nobel Prize won for it too, yeah, 120 years plus. Amazing, right? And so then the Hungarian physician Dr. Andre Mester in 1967 used red light with lasers but then it then was expensive they could heat really hard. It was, you know, there's some challenges there. How could then people access this? And so then that moved over to LEDs. So it's interesting that LEDs can be both damaging and healing. It just depends on the quality of the light source. So it needs to not have a flicker.

A flicker? Yeah, so you can't see that this is flickering, but everything here is flickering. Like these lights and the cameras are all flickering? Yeah, like maybe the, yeah, the screen on the camera most likely, but all these lights, all these screens. Wow. Correct. And your eye can't see it, but it's damaging your eyesight. Which is, though, if you open your eyes in red light, you can expect a 17% eye improvement, even in as little as a week, based on clinical studies.

This was particularly, this was a myopia study. So normally you're supposed to wear protective eyewear, but in this case, for limited periods of time, it's been proven to have your eyes open in the light, and it's improving eyesight and vision. And those changes were effective for a week, for example. And then the tinnitus study was showing that with using these 8, 10, 850, that it was effective for three months. But what happens is, like, so resolution of tinnitus, which is amazing,

considering that people take their... I've got to be careful what I say, but people amazing considering that people take their, I gotta be careful what I say, but people feel like giving up in life and do give up in life because of a lot of these horrific conditions like tinnitus and autoimmune conditions. But yeah, this was remedial for this period of time, but what happened was that if people then continue the therapy because you're supposed to be continually exposed to light, then it would maintain the change and deepen the transformation as well. So you could get better improvements on your eyesight.

That was supposed to be done in the morning hours. Dr. Andrew Huberman has talked quite a lot about this study and particularly applicable if you're 40 or older in reversing the eyesight problems. Wow. That's exciting. I remember last time I asked you if urine therapy could help with eyesight too. Yeah, and since then I even saw cases where people had reverse, you know,

seen their eyesight get back to complete, crystal clear 2020. Wow. Yeah. Well, I know it's possible because Dave Asprey, I don't know the exact methods he used, but he restored his vision to 2015. Wow, amazing.

I think he was 2060. Yeah. So I'm like 2250 or something crazy. Wow. Yeah, and so the key there, you might be aware, is that you drop down prescription as well. Yeah. Because what happens is if you're doing a therapy,

like, you know, people will laugh at me about the urine in the eyes, and they'll think it's super dangerous, but I'm telling you that the only thing that's ever been in your eyes is urine. As a baby, I mean you can't argue against that. You're right. Yeah, you watch the baby, like you watch the baby urinate in the womb and you watch the baby drink the urine in the womb. Like I talk about putting urine in your hair and age urine in your hair to grow your hair. I mean look at your hair. You said both your family are bald right?

Yeah exactly. And you got a full head at 40. Yeah I appreciate that man. Thank you. And considering that I had like Lyme disease, Cytomegalovirus, Epsiline, Barbarossa, Fever, Glandular Fever, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Chronic Nausea, Boils breaking out on my body. Because I had all those things as a child, then I

should have turbo aged by now. So I should probably look old, like maybe 10 years older than what I am. If you have those conditions and the wheels are falling off that early in life, and I had to work hard to work out what was going on, that's how I got into this arena of research. And I took my background in, because I completed a degree with a double major in journalism and media production, then in education, a postgraduate degree. Then I, you know, humanitarian work, I was traveling since age 17, became an ambassador for World Vision. I then, you know, with Tanzania, Mongolia, through Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa. As I was doing that work, and I'm still doing that work, my research then went into working out how to solve my health problems and the world's health problems.

And I became really good at correlating data. And I just got off with someone from the Children's Health Defense, actually he's the Chief Science Officer, but he said, you're always right, Jonathan. It takes me a while to work out what's going on. And he was working on his son's case with autism. A really beautiful guy. I want you to get him on the show. He's amazing. But he said, like the things that you talk about, they finally come. I finally work out that it's right. But anyway, so I'm glad that I've been able to correlate that, especially just for myself and my own family. I've got two young boys, three and five year old.

And I feel guilty being away because I'm taking an overnight flight for myself and my own family. I've got two young boys, three and five year old. And I feel guilty being away. I'm taking an overnight flight tonight to be back with them. So it's my responsibility not only to be there for them. And people be like, oh, I couldn't do this. I couldn't do that. I'm like, bro, I've got children. They depend on me. There's nothing that I wouldn't do.

And I've got to put that oxygen mask on my own mouth to be there for them. Yeah. I love that. That's beautiful. Are you working on any documentaries right now? Yeah. There's one that we're releasing. Alex Jones is actually supposed to drop it on his channel. Oh yeah? Let's go. Infowars?

On Infowars. Yeah. He's supposed to drop it soon. It was supposed to happen recently. You'll see. Waiting on that. But it's Parasites. Okay. Which is... It's called a Parasite movie, but I'm even hesitating to say the title because I'm making sure I don't say the wrong thing here. I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's something within us. Parasites, there's something within. Yeah, the N-word. Yeah, or yeah, C-word, yeah. So, and then, yeah, so that and, you know, a lot of the documentaries releasing on Red Light Therapy, Yeah, so that and a lot of the documentaries we're releasing on red light therapy.

Cancer Decoded went deep into all the research on things like chlorine dioxide, which we talked about as well, which is mind blowing. We talked about releasing a book called The Cancer Off Switch. So there's a book. Yeah. So going through all the modalities. Cause when I worked with The Truth About Cancer 10 years ago, as a producer with them, I just went under the hood on all what was really happening in this arena. And then all this cutting edge research. It was really important for me to then release this book. So that's exciting. That's cool. They got to get you with the Maha movement.

Oh yeah, I appreciate that. Absolutely. I think that, yeah, so there's talk on that, like some of the guys that are like Jeff Hayes that's working with producing the Maha films. He asked for help and support for me to work on some particular films and say, yeah, you go after this category and then Del last night, we were exchanging information for me to dive in. Yeah, he's their CEO, right? Yeah, on the Maha. Yeah. That sounds right. Does that make sense? Yeah. I think the CEO of Maha was there last night. Well yeah well yeah I mean that sounds right. I didn't know that that was his particular position that makes sense though. Yeah. But yeah no he wanted to put all my films into the high wire. Wow. Yeah and that's huge. Yeah he was really excited about it.

I was like okay cool I'm in. Let's get it out to people. It, it's just, we're just giving away all the stuff we've worked so hard on for free. And he's like, yeah, you sure? I'm like, yeah. Wow. I mean, the education is important, man, cause people do not get exposed to this stuff. Right. A lot of it's censored. A lot of it's kind of controversial, but these days times are changing.

So true. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, man. Um, and then, yeah, one of those other things that we talk about in that book, and one of the things that went viral that we talked about was the chlorine dioxide. And Science Feedback, they did publish that hit piece on me. Oh, they did. Oh, they were emailing me.

So just for reference for people watching this, I got emailed. Which this, by the way, this has never happened to me before. I've done 14 hundred episodes. And they're like, do you want to back up what this guy said on your podcast? Because we're about to publish a hit piece so explain what happened oh yeah so then yeah they just basically were they're like okay you talked about chlorine dioxide you know Sean Kelly they kind of made you like position you like you're irresponsible to have a guest talking about yeah and

then but you didn't seem to bother you I didn't even see the article no sent me it, so I don't think it was that big of a deal. Oh, yeah, exactly. And if it was, even better, right? Yeah. Well, it's just like, it's kind of like a yapping chihuahua. Yeah, I don't trust traditional media anyways, so. Yeah, and like you just look at their site and they're just hitting, like trying to hit everyone that's doing anything.

Well, Steven Bartlett just got hit. I don't know if you saw this. Diary of a CEO podcaster. Oh, yeah. Massive PR campaign against him. Why? For medical misinformation. Oh, dude.

Yeah, three days ago. There you go. They just love to hear that. And so they, because we released that video on, specifically on autism. Yeah. And showing that chlorine dioxide is effective. And this is one where we got to be careful. Yeah.

So do we have the ability to edit? Yeah, we can cut it, yeah. Yeah, so the chlorine dioxide for autism, how there were over a thousand cases documented of children that were either non-verbal or very low level or basically autism, all different aspects on the spectrum. And then they, in remission, so like normal lives,

and I verified some of these cases, I talked about them in the films in this particular video that we did. And then, so then they did, they were basically saying like, well, this is bleach, and so Jonathan, you're talking about bleach, and this is like super irresponsible, and you shouldn't do that,

and like that, don't you know how bad that is and how wrong that is. And so then I, yeah, so then I just respond. I did write to them, but I was explaining that, hey, look, this is, it's being, it's what it's being used in hospitals. Right. In Bolivia, they're using it even intravenously. Oh, wow. Yeah. And, and and Dr. Andreas Kalka, he's got 17 years of experience,

he's a German biophysicist and he has a foundation out of Guadalajara, Mexico and they're publishing studies continually and all the safety measures are well, they're so robust and it is so safe. And there's an interesting aspect that it was published by NASA in 1982 and 1987. It's a universal antidote, which is super interesting that it was there as a universal antidote. And it is actually like a universal antidote because it's oxygen. Like 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body. And when you're delivering that much oxygen, the reason why red night works, oxygen delivered to the body. You can basically solve so many things. And so I just explained that and I said, look sodium and

chloride. So there's no chlorine in chlorine dioxide. It's just sodium and chloride activated by hydrochloric acid. And I said, sodium is a salt, chloride is a salt. And then they're like, it's just impossible. You read what they're saying. They're like, Jonathan's wrong. He said sodium is a salt. He said chloride is a salt. They're not salts. And like, dude, I can't even have this conversation anymore. Sodium and chloride are both salts. And so... Crazy. I mean, no matter what you said, they were going to publish a hit piece.

You could have defended it with the most profound, like, argument. Yeah, exactly. And it wouldn't have mattered. Yeah, I was just... I was just... Just sinking ship. Yeah. But it was fine. It's just like... I was more intrigued why they reached out uh, just sinking ship. Yeah. But it was, it was fine. It's just like... I was more intrigued why they reached out to me and not you.

Yeah. That's why I sent you it. I was like, did they hit you up? And you said no, so... Yeah, they, yeah, exactly. And somehow they found you. I think in some ways it might be that they're trying to put pressure on people that are like getting behind people like me. Podcasters, yeah, 100%. Yeah, it'd be like, hey, look, you guys are responsible. You're giving a voice to that, like where they hit Rogan for having whoever he had on. Oh yeah, for the C-19 stuff, yeah.

Yeah, exactly, Pierre Cori or Peter McCullough, like you're irresponsible for having this guy on. So yeah, it's just kind of guilt and shame. I mean, at the end of the day, you can't vet every single thing. You can't predict what people are gonna say. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's not your responsibility, it's true.

Like you're trying to have a censorship free environment. Yeah. Because that's like what makes the world good. Let the viewers decide. Yeah. That's why I have on both sides on the show. I'll have on someone that does what you do and then someone that isn't a fan of what you do. Yeah.

You're in therapy, right? That's good. And then the viewers can decide what they want to lean towards. Yeah, that's awesome. Did you do that? Uh, not like someone that wanted to rebuttal you completely, but I've had guests that are not a fan of it. Yeah, cool. Yeah, that's super interesting. Yeah, that's cool. That'd be fun. Like we do like a round table. Yeah, I mean dude the comments were hilarious on your clips. So people reached out and wanted to voice their opinion. Oh, yeah, put it this way.

One of your guests today, so Anthony and One of your guests today, so Anthony and... Theresa. Theresa. Yeah. So Theresa comes out and I mentioned something about your, like Sean interviewed me on urine therapy. She says, wow. And then Anthony pulls over.

She's like, yeah, Armenians do that because they're Armenian. She said like, not necessarily Armenians do it, but yeah, my family did it. And so she's talking about it. And then she's like, well, we don't do it anymore. But my mom mom she had Ovarian cancer you got to work out what to do with this. Yeah, but um she she just went for 20 days like was just drinking her urine and She she that's all she did and she she had ovarian cancer after she gave birth to Teresa

Yeah, and became no way in remission. That's incredible It seems like other countries are more willing to embrace this type of stuff. Exactly. Yeah, it's so true. It's like, yeah, we think we're all so smart and we have so much technology and all this, but the reality is that we're missing so much of all this ancient wisdom. And the body's unique communication system, you just can't beat the perfection of a newborn baby. Their skin, their eyes, the fact that they were... That was their building, that was their environment and the way that they clear toxins. All of this is so unique and so powerful.

And yeah, the specific antigens to cancer are there in the urine. Like, there were German kings back in the 1400s that would use just specifically urine therapy for their cancer patients that had them just eat cabbage and it was it was working like all these cultures they they were dealing with what we call today cancer and they were using primarily the the most history is specifically their own urine therapy. Yeah you should do a debate about this have you done that yet? I'd love to. Yeah I'd set one up maybe withne Norton or someone like that. Oh, yeah, cool.

Yeah, you know that guy, BioLayne on Instagram? Yeah, no, that'd be great. Yeah, he's big time. I think it'd be valuable. I haven't seen a debate on urine therapy before. Dude, it'd be super fun because if you had people that were just like, not just full of ego, but literally like enjoyed a riveting conversation. Yeah. That would be fun.

Well, I think, yeah, you would have to come to the table with some facts or some studies. I do. That's what I'm... It can't be just an emotional debate because that's useless. Oh, 100%. Yeah. That's...

But that's where it would be a little hard for them. You think so? Yeah, because I'd show all the studies and like you show me what... Because if you say urine is a waste product, you have to tell me which one of the waste product... Which is the waste product. You have to prove it. And I would then pull up the database and say, Because if you say urine is a waste product, you have to tell me which one of the waste product, which is the waste product.

And I would then pull up the database and say, okay, now here's 5,600 compounds in small molecule metabolites that have been identified in urine. Show me which ones are good and which ones are bad. And so you actually have to now like talk about things that are documented. Okay, tell me what's bad about a urine derived stem cell, which is actually proven specifically to target cancer cells, which regulates autophagy and the cellular immune system, revascularization, apoptosis. It's regulatory.

So these are basically the most intelligent form of, let's say medicine, that's specific and innately intelligent. Yeah, it'd be harder for them. They'd have to go more typically to emotional arguments. I'll set one up for you next time you're in town. So if you have heavy metals in your body, will that get in your urine? You'll get a reading, right? So you'll get a reading so that you, if through your analysis, you'll find, okay, look, I've got mercury and lead and cadmium and current, or antimony.

You may see these markers, but one, look I've got mercury and lead and cadmium and current or antimony you may see these markers but one it's in infinitesimal amounts so any supplement that you buy for example will have some amount of all of the metals I just talked about so because it's it's impossible to avoid because they're just in the environment that's for starters so you're already consuming this type of thing but one it's in infinitesimal amounts. And then it's this... And then two, when you watch people that do this, like they take it, then you go get... Now let's measure your metals levels in your body. You'll notice them drop instead of go up. And so that then proves that what you're seeing

is not the same. Because remember, it's your blood. It's passed through your kidneys, which goes through these tiny tubes called nephrons and it's squeezed through this and then it comes out as a clear or translucent substance and then it's more sterile than the blood. And so if it's toxic then the problem is that your blood is then so toxic because it's purer than your blood. Wow. So pee is more purer than blood. Absolutely. That's why it's more sterile than the blood. Wow.

It's the purification of the blood and this is why it's safe to then re-consume. Even the concept of vampires like drinking blood and living forever. Urine is blood. It's plasma ultrafiltrate, which is plasma blood ultrafiltrate. Ultrafiltrate blood. That's all it is. And so you're going to see everything that's ultra filtered blood. That's all it is. And so you're going to see everything that's in the blood you'll see in the urine, including all of your neurotransmitters.

Why would somebody that's deficient in every neurotransmitter, serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, every hormone to testosterone, why are they dumping this in their urine? And the answer is they're just signaling molecules. It's like peptides. So it signals the body. So it's an issue it's it's exact opposite the more toxic someone is the more powerful it is for them yeah so it would be smart if you're young and watching this and you're a guy to start

storing your urine then yeah it's good ten years down the line right yeah exactly yeah exactly but the cool thing is there'll always be like young children unless we go through massive infertility which is happening too. Which we're not doing. Yeah, red light is amazing for that by the way. Oh really? Sperm mobility, like amazing. And even women trying to fall pregnant, red light therapy amazing.

So there's certain ways out of this mess but then yeah there's always going to be abilities to store urine from others or you can store your own. Do you store yours in the fridge or where do you put it? Yeah, just in cabinets that are with sealed lids. Oh, jars. Yeah. Okay. So it doesn't have to be a certain temperature? No, there's nothing that shows that that is necessary and the body stores it at room temperature. It's a naturally a preservative agent.

That's why it's really based on a lot of salts and salt is a preserving agent. So it just preserves naturally. It's pretty simple like that. But yeah. How concerned are you with the microplastic stuff happening right now? Oh yeah.

No, it's a huge concern. And then we need to look at binders to get these types of things out. And the things that we're breathing are huge issues as well because lung cancer is killing more people than prostate cancer, colon cancer, and breast cancer combined. Dude, I just had a Pranovo scan done. I have a cyst on my lung. Wow.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Wow. I'm glad that you've found that. And so what do they think? They think it's benign or what? So here's a problem with, well, I don't know if it's a problem, but they said since it's the first scan, we need to come back in X amount of years, well, I don't know if it's a problem, but they said since it's the first scan,

we need to come back in X amount of years and get a second one to see if it's grown. So I'm kind of in this weird, you know, zone where I don't know if it's a problem or not. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what I would be doing is I'd be doing red light therapy. Yeah. Yeah, it's proven like the one study on lung cancer showed an overall response of 87%. So meaning that 87% of participants showed significant turnaround results, improvement, et cetera, which in some cases would be remission, in other cases would be other things. But, and again, like whether it's benign or not, it's just about like dealing, I don't know you asked about micropl before, red light therapy I would believe would be effective in that.

I just need to think that through more and just see what studies exist. But binders would be great to bind, like universal binders like humic and fulvic acid. But looking at how the body naturally will remove these things because they end up being lodged all around the body. In your organs. People finding in brains, in testicle. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Finding in brains, in a testicle. Yeah. Okay.

I'm glad you're on top of this, man. So what studies have been done on, for example, formaldehyde, which is a chemical linked to Alzheimer's. Red light therapy has been proven to remove formaldehyde from the brain. Wow. So that's an example. And I don't know whether formaldehyde or plastics are harder, but they, uh, it's just because like once it become like lodges itself in the cells, like the issue with parasites and cancers be like, that's getting talked about

a lot, but they're lodging themselves inside the cells and affecting the mitochondria and then stopping and the, and the stem cell production. And so what's happening is then it's, it's halting it and it's making it, the cells not mature properly because it's interfering with that. And so then if you can, and then what you're doing is you're entering the cell with red light and you're causing the mitochondria to produce adenosine triphosphate ATP.

And then this is the powerhouse of the cell. So when you give energy back to the cells, then they can perform their functions, which one of their main functions is to detoxify and remove toxins and poison. So you've got to just think about how to do this on a cellular level to remove these things and then stop as much of the exposure as possible,

but you can't live on an island. And that's the same problem that I mentioned with lung cancer, like why is that so prolific when smoking is like it's exponentially dropping down? Yes, people are vaping more, but that's still not 95% of the population. It's smaller subsets. So why is lung cancer killing more than any other cancer and more than the

biggest hitters combined? It's all these stuff that we're breathing in that we don't have control over. Inside air pollution is often a hundred times more toxic than outside air pollution. Heard that about carpets today. Yeah. Yeah. No more carpets in my house. Yeah, there you go.

Even quartz table tops are off-gassing. What? That's every kitchen. Dude, yeah, exactly. So you'd have to see what type of material it is. What's happening with the tires? What happens to the two billion tires that disappear every year?

What happens? They're in the air. What? Yeah, the air's being sampled. Oh, they burn them? No, no, they're shredding. They're shredding air. What? Yeah, the air is being sampled. Oh, they burn them? No, no, they're shredding. They're shredding on the roads. Damn.

And they're tiny razor blades that you're breathing in. And they're actually cutting the body. And where do you think they're conjugating? They're like, obviously through the lungs. Damn, because I drive with my windows open, you know, on the highway. Yeah, they're just breathing in tires. Yeah, exactly, because they sample the air and to find, oh, it's up here. Where were these tires going?

It was like this big conundrum. Where did they go? They're up in the air. It's like, okay, well, they're not on the sides of the roads. They're up in the air. And then electric cars like dump twice as much because they're heavier. I just got rid of my Tesla. I didn't even know about that.

But mainly for me was the EMF. Yeah, because of the battery. Yeah, I saw some scary videos of someone testing it and it's pretty high. Yeah, dude, it's good that you care about this stuff. You have to these days, man. We're being attacked from so many angles, it's like you've got to constantly be aware of what's going on. Yeah, exactly.

So with something like dealing with, at the end of the day, when you have a cyst, it's a conjugation of cells that are not working properly. And so how do you, like there was a Birmingham University study, it was amazing, where the rats, is a spinal cord injury study. They exposed just the rats to one minute a day, one minute. And it showed that it increased cell viability, meaning the effectiveness of the cells by 45%.

And showed that it was regenerative of the spine, and showed that it was neuroprotective, so protecting brain cells. So one, that means that just a regenerative of the spine and showed that it was neuroprotective. So protecting brain cells. So one, that means that just a little bit of exposure even, but I prefer more than that. You can do 20 minutes a day or you could do 12 minutes, three times a week, or you can choose what you wanna do.

But to me, if you just get your cells functioning better, then you can deal with all this on a cellular level. Because otherwise it's like, well, what do I do? Just keep waiting and then keep getting scanned and just wonder and just kind of feel like a ticking time bomb. Or do I just harness my body's natural abilities to deal with these issues and turn over these unhealthy cells? Right. Create apoptosis in these unhealthy cells. It doesn't matter if it's a tumor or not.

It just matters that this clears itself out. Yeah. And that's where I want to be. I'd rather be proactive than reactive. Yeah. But they're telling people to wait two years to get another scan to see if it grew. That's a lot of time, you know?

A lot can happen in two years. Exactly. I have a similar friend right now dealing with it in his brain and it keeps growing every two years, but what's the treatment from there, you know? Amazing. Yeah, and one, that's not good.

And two, the good news is that, yeah, some of these therapies, like, again, I'm a fan of chlorine dioxide. I've seen lots of cases with glioblastomas. I'm a fan of anti-parasitics. I've seen lots of great studies there with glioblastomas. And I'm not saying that's a glioblastoma, but it's a conjugation of unhealthy cells in the brain or cancer cells.

But the red light therapy particularly has been proven to cause the immune system to target the cancer cells from growing back because what happens is the glioblastomas when they get brain surgery is like it has a 12 to 15 month survival rate for all glioblastomas for patients because once they remove it it keeps growing back. And so, it's arguable that there's a better way rather than removing it by using these regenerative therapies to target them. But then it also prevents the recurrence

because the immune system is then targeting it for you. And it's part of the reason why the pharmaceutical complex has asserted or put forward that a photodynamic therapy, a photoimmunotherapy will become the fifth leading treatment to cancer after surgery. Wow. So it is, this is the future. It's already going in this direction.

It's in the studies. It's just that not enough people know about it. And then people like for example for lungs, one of the ones that's most proven is that chlorophyll derivative called Chlorine E6. So people doing this research looking at methylene blue, curcumin, berberine, artemisinin, which is a, which is a malaria drug, but it's a photosensitizer. So these, when they're consumed, they'll, they'll help the absorption of light into these unhealthy cells and help clear them out.

So super targeted, super specific and arguably a lot more powerful than something like chemo, because it won't, not only is it more specific, but something like singlet oxygen is so it is so powerful. Like think about a missile getting blown up and watching that was singlet oxygen, which you could replicate with chloride and and hydrogen peroxide. You could actually just make it like I'm a fan of oxygen. I use oxygen chambers. I love it.

That's awesome. You know, oxygen's major. Where can people get into red light? What's an affordable option for people watching this? Oh yeah, sure. So because of all the research that I've been doing in this regard, I've been really excited about giving people solutions. And so we formulated like a specific device that combined all the wavelengths that we're looking at in the studies. And so then we put eight different wavelengths, which range from 480, 630, 660, 810, 850, 940, 980, and 1060. So we're then targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the

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studies, you look at the results and then you look at, okay, well, what else would I do? And you'd say, okay, well, maybe this supplement or that supplement is cheaper. You think it's cheaper, but you reorder every month. And so let's say you're paying like $130 supplement a month over a year, that's close to $400. And then over the next, you know, let's say 10 years, that's $4,000. And so you really, and then that's just one.

Typically people are going to need like a few and there's no one supplement that can do all these different things. And one of the things I didn't talk about was the stem cell regeneration because it does that. It actually regenerates stem cells and it's proven to do that, which then it's, they're like really advanced, really expensive therapies in the fact that your body would just do it if it has the right stimulus. And so you've got therapies that will do all this and if somebody's trying to save then they can they can like switch out what they're doing and for you know, just go okay, I'm gonna invest in this right now. We did stuff as well where people could do payment plans and you know, just do a little bit every month for six months or a year or whatever they want to do.

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