Digital Social Hour - Social Media Censorship: The UK's Dark Secret | Sulaiman Ahmed DSH #826

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

🔍 Discover the UK's dark secret of social media censorship in this eye-opening episode of the Digital Social Hour with the insightful Sulaiman Ahmed! 🚨 From shocking arrests of pro-Palestinian journalists under the Terrorism Act to the manipulation of public opinion through media, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won't find anywhere else. ✨ Join the conversation as we dive deep into the systems of control that are shaping our world. 🌍 Why are voices being silenced, and what does this mean for freedom of speech globally? Tune in now to uncover the truth! 📢 Don't miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join our community as we explore the real impact of media narratives and censorship across social platforms. Let's get informed together! 🗣️ #news #latestnews #israel #trtworld #keirstarmer #donaldtrump #goodmorningbritain #nadinestrossen #debate #socialmediacensorship CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 01:28 - Sulaiman Ahmed 05:12 - UK Protests 12:44 - Censorship and Free Speech Concerns 17:18 - Elon Musk and Free Speech Advocacy 23:46 - Impact of US President on the UK 25:20 - US Influence on UK Politics 26:57 - Personal Political Stance 28:45 - Pay to Play Politics 31:29 - Dan Bilzerian's Public Statements 33:18 - Family's View on Public Life 34:04 - Winning a Debate: Criteria 36:38 - Belief in Numerology 38:55 - Gender Differences in Memory Recall 42:04 - Voting Practices 44:40 - Ideal Voting Systems 46:48 - Overview of US Voting System 50:06 - Debate Challenges Encountered 51:15 - Best Debater Opponent 51:54 - Challengers in Debating 54:35 - Upcoming Debate with Tommy Robinson 54:58 - Public Perception of Piers Morgan 59:07 - Concerns About Arrest APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Sulaiman Ahmed https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman www.youtube.com/@SulaimanUnfiltered https://www.tiktok.com/@sulaimanunfiltered LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You! With Admi on the new Google Pixel 9 Pro, never rely on a stranger again. Add yourself to any group photo through the magic of AI. Get yours with TELUS at telus.com slash pixel9pro. ...journalist called Richard Medhurst. He arrived on a plane and arrested him on the Terrorism Act. Damn. Yeah, exactly.

And then today, another journalist, someone who is a pro-Palestinian voice, Sarah Wilkinson, was arrested for her post on social media under the Terrorism Act. What? So you could just post and get arrested? Exactly. That's crazy. For just being for Palestine. All right, guys.

We got Suleiman Ahmed here today. Thanks for coming on, man. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Crazy times we're in right now and your twitter's blowing up yeah yeah it is crazy times yeah my twitter's doing really well yeah it's quite good have you always had a big following there was it recently no it's recent so i had a twitter account but i never used it yeah and then about a year and a half ago i started posting so my entire like uh twitter blow-up has been a year and a half so the first uh nine months of it was basically i investigated the andrew tate case yeah um and i was one of the few people that was debunking a lot of the propaganda against him very early on

that blew me up and then i was talking about like you know conservative ideas and so on and so forth then was part of the ban the adl movement in august you know which movement ban the adl ban the adl yeah uh and um then what happened was in uh so that and then i did a thread on like russell brand in his situation and then in october then october 7th happened then i blew up on geopolitics wow yeah they just got indicted again right like A week ago? He got charged again, yeah. Oh, charged again. Is it the same charge or is it a different one? No, it's different charges this time. So the first

time, it was like a certain level of charges, which a lot of them I debunked and found that they weren't very strong. These are like new charges. So we'll have to see what the claims and the veracity of them are. You're going to have to debunk these too then. Yeah, yeah,

possibly if I get time. Did he ever reach out to you when you were debunking them? No, because he was in prison. Oh, shit. So he was in prison when I was debunking him so no, he didn't reach out.

Damn. Yeah. So is your stance just to debunk as much misinformation as possible? Yeah, that's basically what I did on Twitter

for a very long time because generally speaking what you find is whatever everybody's saying, generally they're on the wrong side. Really? Yeah. On Twitter or just in general? General, but also Twitter. Twitter isn't secluded from that.

So if you look at any of the major events that happened in the past, obviously I'm not sure what we're allowed to speak about on YouTube. But basically, if you look at Russia, Ukraine, COVID, you look at now Israel, Palestine, many of those things, whatever it may be, generally speaking, my rule is this, because I'm quite analytical, but also quite pessimistic now,

in the sense of if everybody is saying one thing, you need to look into it, because generally speaking, the truth's going to be on the other side. Wow. What a rule of thumb to have, because most people see everyone saying the thing and just agree with it yeah exactly but you're the opposite yeah yeah 100 i think that's what you should be like critical thing and that now maybe you look into it and the truth is with the majority that's fine but i think it's always

worth looking into if everybody's propagating one thing that's literally what happened the tape thing so i was like wait a sec everybody's propagating this specific point that this guy's guilty so on and so forth so like okay now i'm doubting it so let me check into it yeah so what do you think causes so many people to go to one side well it's a number of things first of all it's uh generally speaking the mainstream media or those who control it or what happens is larger accounts or larger profiles essentially are not autonomous so So they'll propagate, perpetuate a specific ideology intentionally.

And then what happens is the masses, they just follow it. And so the masses are like, oh, we haven't got time to research this information. And so they'll just automatically just believe it. So a prime example is just very recently, if I was to ask an American,

what did they think happened in the uk protest they'll say oh my god it's like civil war and there's a lack of assimilation the uk there's a huge amount of like uh dissension there's no peace in the uk but and um the minorities are coming out attacking or muslims are coming out and attacking um and attacking. And then who is this information disseminated by? It's by specific accounts who want to perpetuate this ideology. And so then if I talk to a general person,

they'll be like, oh, I thought this happened. And you're like, no, this is not what happened. In reality, this is what happened. So that's how it happens. It's people, those who have control of the information disseminate in the manner they want, and then the rest of the people just follow that. Right.

And do you think that's a UK and US thing or do you think that's everywhere? Oh, that's a worldwide thing. That's how it works everywhere. Wow. In everything. So those who want to perpetuate a specific ideology will do so and everybody follows.

Most people just follow. They don't have the analytical skills, the NPCs. That's so interesting because in the US we're taught that North Korea does that, but we do it too. Oh, yeah, yeah. We's so interesting because in the U.S. we're taught that North Korea does that, but we do it too. Oh, yeah, yeah, we do it significantly.

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we don't have it right so no free speech in the uk well okay so let's talk about the uk right so what happened in the uk recently was there was riots now what happened was um there was a stabbing that occurred in south port in the north of uk now the stabbing uh unfortunately he also stabbed three young girls wow what horrific it's a horrific and a horrendous situation but what happened was many of these large accounts on social media perpetuated the lie that this person who did the stabbing was an illegal immigrant who just come to the uk a year earlier he was a muslim and he was a palestinian jordanian origin so they disseminated this information and everyone believed it so everyone became angry

everyone became volatile because they were like why is this illegal immigrant coming to the uk muslim guy and stabbing innocent girls right so what they did was they riled up the public through social media and so what happened was there's a lot of people far right islamophobes i call them because i think you need to make a distinction there's some people who are on the far right whose only issue is immigration or there's some people

in the far right who have different views but this specifically is people who actually have hatred for Islam they're not really bothered about immigration now what they did was

they perpetuated so what they did was they got people on the streets rioting and so what happened was the people came they started attacking mosques and certain holy places and then then that the day when they start writing because it was the

next day another guy came with a knife and a masha'i and again they said oh that guy's a muslim guy and then later we find out he's not his name is jordan davis he's not a muslim guy and then we find out the first guy isn't a muslim guy either wow and nor is he an illegal immigrant what yeah so he's basically his parents are from rwanda but he's born in the uk and he's brought up in the uk he's not an illegal immigrant holy crap and he's a christian that's crazy so but then they've created all this dissension all of this hatred so then the riots continue and in the weekend what happens is the riots happen throughout the north of the uk where they attack women they attack like uh they'll they attack people attack premises they burn police stations they burnt local businesses uh they destroyed property basically what happened here you know with blm basically that's what happened there

damn and so they basically perpetuate this now what they did was also they only went to areas where there was an extreme minority of minorities to basically get them and hit them so for example when there's a larger minority proportion for example in london in birmingham in manchester they didn't go there right so they went to like areas where there was a lot of a lot less minorities and then targeted and attacked them so what happened was like then in certain areas a couple of areas or maybe a few areas there was muslims who turned out and they acted in the exact same manner so they brought back um you know bats baseball bats and weapons and so on and so forth and so they acted in the same manner and my argument actually is that when they've acted in the same manner, it's only because of assimilation.

Because for example, when our parents came to the country, grandparents came to this country, if anything, they did the opposite. Whenever someone would be racist to them, call them Paki or whatever it may be, they just like put their head down and walk away. Or if someone tried to break up their windows,

they just allow it, right? I just fix up their windows. But what's happened is these people have actually assimilated. And so they're acting exactly how a Northerner acts. So just how you saw the Northern far-right Islamophobes,

these acted in the exact same manner. So it's actually a product of real assimilation that they're all acting in the same manner. So what happened was then they, but then what happened in the UK was then a lot of these areas,

like for example, London and various areas, because the people in the UK are actually against this ideology. The vast majority of the UK is peaceful. And so they came out in their numbers. And I mean, mainly white people came out in the numbers to say, look, we don't stand with you guys. We stand with peace and integrity. And then everything ended.

And this was perpetuated by a guy called Tommy Robinson, because Tommy Robinson is a guy who is like an extreme Islamophobe. He's been, again, promoted on social media. He hasn't got an issue with immigration he's only got an issue with muslims now why i'm talking about all of this is what happened from there was there's riots occurring so 10 years ago when we had riots in in bradford right so again it's the north of england what happened was tommy robinson's crew pretended that they're going to go to Bradford then a lot of Muslims went to Bradford to basically confront them Tommy Robinson's crew didn't go there but then these guys had this like you know pent-up aggression unfortunately completely disagree with it but I'm telling you what happened and then they became violent and they start burning police stations burning businesses and so on and so

forth they got extremely harsh sentences like even for stealing like a small thing like a bottle of water you got like a four five year sentence yeah right it was crazy so this time they've done the exact same thing they've donated to the people from the far right and the muslims where they've given them extremely long sentences they've given them two three four year sentences now when this was happening i said at the beginning i said this is happening intentionally because kstarma is controlled by um zionists and he's intentionally putting these ideas these things in place and allow for example he didn't put the police to stop it immediately because what happened in the uk is we had a huge amount of protests in the uk pro-palestine protests in the uk the population is about

65 million yeah but adult population is about 30, 40 million who can actually protest. We in one weekend had 1.3 million people turn up for a protest. And that's pro-Palestine? Pro-Palestine, yeah. And every single weekend, there's been hundreds of thousands,

millions and millions and millions of people going to these protests because they were happening every Saturday. And so what they want to do is they wanted to ban these protests and stop anti-Zionist speech, what they want to do is they wanted to ban these protests and stop anti-zionist speech but they couldn't do it because the uk is a for for palestine right so you can't put them ideas in so people like swell bravman and many others wanted to put these out put these

like extreme draconian police state policies in place but they weren't able to do it because the public are like now we ain't gonna allow it. We support this, right? It wouldn't have worked because the public would have revolted. But then you say, look, these riots happened because of what's happened on social media. It's for your safety. They'll say to the minorities

and people from the left and people who support them, the vast majority of the UK, look at that. These guys destroyed local businesses of poor working class people. They attacked minorities. This happened because of speech on social media,

because of speech on X. We need to censor that speech for your benefit. And they get the people to agree to it. So what's now happened is there's been extreme amount of censorship going on. People are getting arrested for their tweets. But then what's happened is they've done the exact same thing I said right at the beginning, that the real aim was to stop and silence pro-Palestinian voices.

And so, for example, over the last few weeks, they arrested a credible, respectable journalist called Richard Medhurst. He arrived on a plane and arrested him on the Terrorism Act. Damn. Yeah, exactly. And then today, another journalist, someone who is a pro-Palestinian voice, Sarah Wilkinson, was arrested for her post on social media

under the Terrorism Act. What? So you could just post and get arrested? Exactly. That's crazy. For just being for Palestine. So, for example, now there's a hashtag going, free Sarah Wilkinson now.

So I do implore everybody to use that hashtag. But that's an example. So now they're going to be coming after everyone to the extent where I have huge concerns that when I go back to the UK, they're going to arrest me as well. So you might have to stay. Well, I'm not going to stay

because I've got family, I've got kids, right? So the issue is this, like this is the level of censorship that's occurring. And what I said at the beginning, because those people who were even supporting the riots, some of them, they're from the far right,

but they were actually from Palestine. You've supported the censorship in the UK and you've supported the UK becoming a police state. And this is an example of it. So now many of us are concerned about what's going to happen

because we've not done anything wrong all we've been posting is the news reporting the news reporting information explaining like what's happening

geopolitically abroad what is the design state doing and yet now people are being arrested if you look at Sarah Wilkinson's page you won't find anything

that is like or she cleared it all no no it's there no I mean you won't find anything that you'd say look that sounds problematic maybe she should be arrested or she's starting hatred or she's starting hatred

or she's starting violence. So the fact that this is happening and this has happened today shows UK has become an extreme police state and is massively anti-censorship, pro-censorship. So people are getting arrested for having an opinion. On X. And it's starting in the UK, but that could spread.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, it is spreading, isn't it? Because Europe's always had censorship, right? Germany's always had censorship. For example, denial of the Holocaust, you get arrested, isn't it? Because Europe's always had censorship, right? Germany's always had censorship. For example, denial of the Holocaust, you get arrested, right? So I believe the Holocaust happened. But I believe that in total free speech as well.

I believe you can talk about and discuss anything. People talk about Islam all the time. I'm like, look, let's have a discussion. What are your concerns about Islam? What are your question marks? Let's have a question about it. Let's have a discussion about it because I feel like my belief system

is so extremely strong in all, just religion and all ideologies all politics wherever it may be i believe i can defend it quite strongly and vigorously so i'm for open free speech as soon as you censor you're going down a road of basically controlling the public and controlling the masses and then you have basically authoritarian totalitarian um societies 100 you could see it starting here too because if you say certain tweets, you'll start getting monitored by governmental agencies. Oh, 100%.

It just happened to Tulsi Gabbard. So it's definitely happening everywhere. Oh, 100%. I mean, US, you saw that. You saw what happened in the college protests where they were basically physically assaulted. You saw that, for example, when students from, I believe,

Harvard University wrote a letter saying that they support resistance or support palestine i think that's all they said palestine yeah all of them many of them got doxed many of them lost their their positions in the university some of them had uh got places in prestigious law firms and those were removed from them so definitely the u.s is going towards a police state. They were trying to put policies in place to censor free speech now. So yeah, there's a huge attack on free speech

in the US as well. That shows how powerful Palestine's enemies are then. It does show how powerful they are. It shows how powerful they are, how much level of power they have in the West, and how they were willing to go against the thing that made the West unique what made america and uk great was the fact for example america you've got the first amendment right it's like literally the

thing that makes you guys great right is the fact that you believe in free speech you believe in the right of expression you don't believe in like extreme censorship and yet all of that's been thrown in the bin and Also, for example, the US and the UK were kind of like the morality police of the world. They've thrown that in the bin as well. So they're losing significantly. Yeah. You just saw Mark Zuckerberg admitting to censoring information during the pandemic. Exactly. And so the fact that someone like Zuckerberg can admit that they did do extreme censorship and they didn't allow a platform where everyone can be a free market of ideas demonstrated. It also shows the level of control

that the three-letter agencies had over that social media app and other foreign intelligence agencies had over that social media app. And it also shows the power of social media. This should be an actual real discussion, but people are not willing to have it. That why is it of social media this is should be an actual real discussion but people are not willing to have it right that why is it that social media has even more power than governments and there's no controls in place now i'm not saying that there should be like for example

censorship i'm opposite of that i don't believe there should be any censorship but for example if social media is under the control of someone who's going to harm society look at the level of impact you can have so the fact that the sitting president of the united states of america who is meant to be the most powerful man in the world who holds the most important position in the world was banned by basically so a twitter safety a safety uh safety and safety and security expert right a person that shows the level of power that social media have and i do have huge a Twitter safety and security expert, right? A person. That shows the level of power that social media have. And I do have huge concerns. But for example, first of all,

I really like the fact that Elon Musk has given me free speech. I would say that Twitter is probably one of the few platforms that I would have had the ability to blow up on and I have. So I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that I've not been banned. So look, I give credit where credit's due.

On the other hand, like Elon Musk does, but then he'll say he's just an individual user but he does perpetuate some propaganda based on what will benefit right and then the question becomes that when elon musk does it is it a natural algorithm that causes his position to be perpetuated more than anything else or is it that people are just normies like you know sucking up to him and they'll just copy him and follow what he's saying? Right, right.

That's interesting. Because in, like, for example, any of the positions that Elon Musk has, those are the positions on Twitter that perpetuate more than anything. That's true. So, for example,

he's extremely anti-immigration. Those get perpetuated. He's anti-Islam. Those get perpetuated. Right. He's anti-the left now. Those get perpetuated. He's pro-Trump. That gets perpetuated,'s anti the left now those get perpetuated he's pro-Trump that gets perpetuated

although Twitter was kind of like more pro-Trump anyway before so any of his positions whatever they are they get perpetuated now the question becomes are they perpetuated

naturally because people say oh Elon Musk is saying it 200 million people are following therefore we're going to say the same thing or is it

that when Elon Musk says something, the algorithm boosts that position? I would say both, right? Yeah. Because he does have a huge following. Like each tweet gets, what, 10 million views at least? Yeah, it gets huge. Some even get 30, 40 million.

Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, the engagement on Twitter is nuts. Yeah, so it could be. I agree with you. I think if you had to ask me what I think, I think it's probably a bit of both. Yeah. But if it's the algorithm, if it could be. I agree with you. I think if you had to ask me what I think, I think it's probably a bit of both. Yeah.

But if it's the algorithm, if it's his following, then that's not a problem because his argument would be, I'm an individual user, just like you're an individual user, and therefore I should not have to censor myself, which I know is the argument he's made.

Yeah. But if it's the algorithm doing it because it's his position, then I think that's probably a bit problematic. 100%. Yeah. Why do you think Mark Zuckerberg waited so long to release this information? Because he's a smart person, so I think that's probably a problem. A hundred percent. Why do you think Mark Zuckerberg waited so long to release this information?

Because he's a smart person. So I feel like it was a strategic move. I definitely believe it was a strategic move. So what happened was, the deep state, or I call the Zionist, or people call it the matrix, or whatever it may be.

What happened was, they were basically on the side of the left, of the Democrats. And then what happened was, October the 7th happened. And what happened was they were basically on the side of the left of the democrats and then what happened was october the 7th happened and what happened was a lot of that then people thought that look we're not getting the protections that we're getting and so you saw basically people in silicon valley such as bill ackman uh such as uh various others who were part of the silicon valley crew or basically zionist or and various other people who basically are part of the Silicon Valley crew, or basically Zionists and various other people who basically are part of big tech,

who basically thought, wait a sec, like what's happening in the university protest? Like we're not being stopped. We're not being supported. And then what they did is they moved away from the Democrat party and they didn't set their stall out on who they were going to go for.

And then Donald Trump was on the other side. And so, I mean, I know this is going to sound like a bit of a conspiracy theory, right? But in my view, they have concerns about Donald Trump as well. Because Donald Trump, although he is obviously, I believe he's in bed with them now because he's got 100 million from Miriam Edelson. He got J. jd vance as the vice president he's basically a pity the guy pete the basically won him the senate seat what was it 18 months ago uh so and again trump's in bed with the deep state you're saying oh yeah i

do really so yeah but i'll explain to you the issue is so then the question becomes like why is it that there was the assassination attempt right Because the problem with Trump is he's a wild card. So you never know what he's going to do, right? So if they'd assassinated Trump, who would have been the next person in line? For the Republicans? Yeah. It'd be his VP, right?

Well, he didn't have the VP. Oh, he didn't have it at the time? Who would it be then? So it was Nikki Haley, who had the second most delegates. Or if they went for somebody who maybe the party would go, you know, align with, would be like Ron DeSantis. These people are extremely deep, pro-deep state, pro-military industrial complex, pro-war,

pro-the expansion of the war in the Middle East. They're like literally saying to countries like Israel, tell us how much you want, when you want it, how you want it. They basically continue to support the Ukrainian and Russian conflict in terms of the proxy war that's happening against Russia. So you're basically you take Trump out, you ensure that all of these things continue.

Whereas with Trump, although he's going to appease them, like he has by appointing J.D. Vance, he's still a wildcard. He could be in office, and for example, when he was in office previously, they were pressuring him to go into war with Iran and he refused to do so. Right, he's anti-war.

Yeah, he was anti-war definitely the first time, right? And so, but then he's still a wild card because like, for example, he's made statements now saying that he's going to help allow Israel

to basically finish the job, which means what? Finish the genocide. Right, he's pro-Israel, right? Yeah, exactly. So when you look at all of this, what's happened is as soon as the assassination attempt failed, Elon

Musk, Bill Ackman, all of the Silicon Valley guys all came out in unison and literally said, we support Trump. Because now he is their guy. And so that's what's happened. There's been a huge shift onto that side. So when it becomes Silicon Valley, big tech, social social media all of them have aligned under trump and so zuckerberg is

another guy who's got it so you think even elon musk's been influenced in elon musk literally was it literally was one of the people in unison as soon as the assassination attempt happened yeah he was like the first one he was he's the one. But I always saw him as like an individual person. I never knew he was compromised like that. So Elon Musk did an interview with Donald Trump. And in the interview on X, which got a significant amount of views, I think it was like a million live views

or something like that. So if you look at it, he was completely all in with Trump. And in there, he was literally saying to Trump that, look, I'll give me a position as part of your cabinet. I will oversee certain things that are happening on there. Also, for example, you know, we should be looking at nuclear energy and these type of things. And also, like, for example, there's a lot of legal cases against Elon Musk as well.

And so therefore, I believe that getting in bed with Trump helps eradicate all of those problems that he's having. And it benefits him hugely, both from a business perspective and a personal perspective. Interesting. So as someone that lives in the UK, how much do you care about who the US president is? Oh, I extremely care about it. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm, so like, for example, I hold spaces,

co-host spaces on US politics a lot. And the reason for it, what I believe is, I've always thought it's important, right? Because whoever the president of the United States is, essentially is the president

of the Western world, right? Because whatever America decides, Britain follows through, Europe follows through, Europe follows through, everyone follows through. I mean, Germany followed through even when it basically harms them. Yeah, a good example was

when they blew up Nord Stream. That harmed Germany. And Germany were like, yeah, that's fine. Like, we'll be your barren boys. And now we'll actually start buying, buying from Poland based on what you're saying.

So like everyone does it. Like America, let's say America decided to go to war with Iran, Britain would follow suit. So anything that the United States of America does, the entire Western world is basically the proxy that follows it in terms of through NATO and so on and so forth.

So therefore, whoever the president of the United States is, anyone who's in the Western world and is not concerned with it is completely ignorant because it affects us both from a geopolitical perspective in terms of whether we're going to go to war but it impacts us from an economic internal perspective so like for example now people in the uk are struggling more so than the us although us is bad yeah but people in uk are struggling really badly um and and the reason for that is what ukraine and russia again we follow the us into that so how would that affect you though because

of the financial uh the financially how we're supporting the ukraine oh so you guys are giving money also yeah we're giving money also not to the same level you guys are right but remember for us we're a smaller company with a smaller economy so therefore even any of the money that we're giving your taxes went up because of that? Our taxes didn't go up, but it harmed because things became more expensive. Things became more expensive. The wage never increased, and therefore, the disparity. There's a lot of people who are basically out of business, out of homes.

But that wasn't the only thing. Then there also was COVID lockdown measures. Again, US decides to lock down, and the US decides to lock down then the world decides to lock down so the UK follows suit very soon after if the US didn't lock down

UK wouldn't have locked down that's another example also one example which is not related to you is Brexit but again that was pressure from the US because remember

the UK at the time were being told you're going to get deals with the US and you're going to get deals with Australia and so on and so forth so Brexit was another thing

that impacted our economy and then now if you look at it again, Israel and Palestine is affecting us, although not financially, but if you look at it, it's affecting us in terms of the decision making that's happening again from a geopolitical perspective. So all of these things, what it did was increase the struggle that people are having in the UK. It's significantly about local businesses have closed down. Shops close at very early hours now, even in London, which is one of the biggest cities,

it is the biggest city in London, one of the biggest cities in Europe. Before, even businesses would be open until the late hours. Now they're open very early. The sales staff is significantly reduced. So anyone who in the UK, therefore it's imperative that a person is involved and knows what's happening in the US because it affects you.

Right. So that being said, have you publicly backed any candidate yet? No, no. Because I can't vote, so I don't back it, but I don't like Trump and I don't like Biden either. Because again, they're both, unfortunately, in my view, they fought Israel, they fought the deep state, they got into bed with all of these things. I think that's highly problematic. So you want Kamala? No, no, I don't want Kamala as well. I mean, from the US, I would say I like Cornel West, but again, he's got no chance of winning.

I like some of Jill Stain's policies, but again, she's got no chance of winning. But yeah, the whole point is this, isn't it? In the US and the UK, we had the same problem in terms of Labour and Conservative. All of the politicians are basically the uniparty. There is no difference. So therefore,

when there's no difference and there's no choice, that's literally what we've got. So we're literally saying like, who do we choose? Both are as bad as each other. There's hardly any difference because they all have similar policies.

Damn. So it's like pick your poison at this point. Exactly. That's what it is in the US and the UK. Yeah. What's Kamala's stance on the Israel-Palestine stuff? They're all for Israel.

Oh, they're for Israel. I mean, in the US and the UK, so in the's Kamala's stance on the Israel-Palestine stuff? They're all for Israel. Oh, they're for Israel. I mean, in the US and the UK, so in the US, you've got AIPAC. So AIPAC have, it's basically American-Israeli PAC lobby. Basically, they decide who the politicians are going to be.

So AIPAC, whoever they've backed, 95% of them to 98%, depending on their house or the Senate, have basically won their seat. Wow. They spend significant amount of money

to ensure that their candidates win. Irrespective of the Democrat and Republic, the only thing is whether they're pro-Israel or not. And the same thing we have in the UK. In the UK, we have Labour friends of Israel, Conservative friends of Israel. So again, it's this kind of entire global control to ensure that these countries back Israel

and back their basically zionist agenda both externally and internally within the us and uk yeah politics is a pay-to-play system if you have a lot of funding you your chances of winning are higher 100 so data shows that other than uh donald trump when he won the presidency in 2016 generally speaking whoever spends the most money wins in US elections. That's crazy. Yeah. So if you have the right people

backing you, like, and generally those aren't the best people, you're going to win. Exactly. You know? That's how it is in US politics. So other than 2016,

Trump every other time, whoever has the biggest financial backing wins the election. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Just to run for president, they were saying you need

half a billion dollars. Oh yeah. You need significant. I mean, look, Donald Trump got 100 million from Miriam Edelson. Yeah, just to run for president, they were saying you need half a billion dollars. Oh, yeah, you need significant. I mean, look, Donald Trump got 100 million from Miriam Adelson, again, an Israeli-American. And again, what kind of... If someone gives you 100 million, they want something in return.

Right, they're not just giving you that. Yeah, so what does she want in return? Crazy. What do you think she wants? Well, I think she wants him to be extremely pro-Israel. She wants an ex-West Bank. She wants pro-Israel policies. She wants the ending of pro-Palestinian voices in the U.S.

Right. So I think those are just some of the things that she wants. Yeah, there's a lot of people going at Israel right now on Twitter. On Twitter, there is, because Twitter is probably one of the few actual free speech platforms. As much as I said negative things about Musk, but I have to be balanced and say that it is one of the few actual free speech platforms. So someone like me blowing up and the level of engagement I have is because Twitter is basically a free speech platform, generally speaking. Now, I think it could be better.

For example, if you look at my my page so i'm the most engaged uh pro-palestinian account well and for a very long time i was the most engaged political account okay but then something happened with the algorithm where the is pro-israel accounts start doing better even though they get less engagement they were getting more views so what's the reason you uh kind of censored in a while you think i don't think i'm censored because like i'm still growing i know there was like a month or two months where i was completely not growing at all which was weird um but generally speaking i don't think i'm censored i think there's something happened like a tweak within the algorithm

where israeli posts are like given like some kind of boost right and pro-palestinian posts are not given a given a slight de-boost or not completely de-boosted. Like I'm not saying I'm a band. So like, for example, if you look at

one of my posts, it can have, like look at my pin post. I think it has like 30,000, 40,000 likes. Maybe 20,000, 10,000 retweets.

And it's only got 4 million views. Right? Whereas, for example, a pro-Israel account will only have like 1,000 likes or 400 likes or maybe 2% of the likes but have the same or more views. Wow. views right whereas by example a pro israel account will only have like a thousand likes

or 400 likes or maybe two percent of the likes but have the same or more views wow so that's definitely intentional that's not a coincidence if that keeps happening again yeah so that's kind of concerning yeah because the whole point of the platform was to be equal and free speech exactly so that's the only negative i would say but still we're not banned still we're able to post and still i'm able to get like you you know, all the likes that I get and all the retweets and views. Yeah, damn. Yeah, Dan Bilzerian recently came out,

spoke against it, right? That was a big deal. Yeah, Dan Bilzerian is a monumental, important voice. I met him, he's a great guy, a great person, doing things for the right reasons. No personal benefit or gratification.

Solely doing it because he has significant concerns about the united states of america about the world about where we're going and he thinks it's his uh duty as a human being and as an american to speak out against what's happening and that's what we're seeing right now so yeah huge amount of props for him he's risked a significant amount he was removed from his own board for speaking out wow for ignite um i believe it was ignite yeah yeah he was also so he was removed from that he also has lost a significant amount of money just by speaking out speak a significant amount of relations when by speaking out so yeah a huge amount of credit for him he's a very very honorable guy and i think americans should be proud to have someone like dan balzarian i agree

because there was no reason he had to do that no reason whatsoever his life's so easy he's doing well financially he's like he's got the basically he's living the american dream so to basically risk everything know that they're going to come after you so for example there was a Twitter space right you had just about a week ago with Andrew Tate Tristan Tate Dan Bilzerian and Candice Owen and you saw that

the Tates got arrested 48 hours after that I saw that Candice Owen had a significant directed attack against her on social media

and then Dan Bilzerian is the only one and I was saying to Dan that look they're going to come after you next so they're going to come after him so yeah i mean i'll give him a huge amount of credit yeah how does your family feel about you being in the public spotlight like this is

are they scared um okay i've never been asked this question so it's good yeah my mom is always like leave this like don't do it whatsoever like listen you've done what you need to do you've highlighted the issue just like give it up now and live your life calmly and i'm like look i believe that i'm like i have to make a difference i made a huge amount of difference if you look at a lot of the debunkings that happen on social media i was behind them so like the 40 beheaded babies i debunked that i debunked many of the the mass rape issue i debunked a lot of the propaganda that was coming out also um if on social media i did a lot of the big debates

and, you know, defeated it. And there was one debate where I debated 13 Zionists and defeated them. Damn, 13 at once? Yeah, 13 at once, yeah. Holy crap. I beat Destiny in a debate.

How do you determine if you defeat them? How do you base that? Yeah, I mean, you can, I think a good way of seeing it is, I wouldn't say the public, although everyone was saying, like, I won.

But you can tell by the arguments that you make. like when i i'm like very self-critical like if i do a debate and i think i should have improved in this way like my first debate with destiny on andrew tay i i believe i beat him i beat him but then i think i didn't do a great job like i think there were certain aspects that i could have improved on significantly so i would have given myself like what maybe six out of ten or five out of ten on that uh but even then like because destiny kind of was presenting a more weaker position anyway at that time generally if the truth on your side you're going to win the debate but so i think so and then if you look at the debate i'd kind of like beat him because even when they did the poll it was like 50 50 and he had all his fans come on to the poll and i had no following because i was

like a new guy this last one it was like completely just destroyed him he kind of conceded so many points in there he was like i was like yeah um if your dual citizen shouldn't be able to uh hold office he was like yeah i agree i was like anyone who has a right to retention hold office he was like yeah i agree like and many of the points i made he like just conceded him whereas i've seen him and since then in debates and actually he's been in a debate recently where I moderated and he defeated the other guy quite well

he usually wins so the fact that you beat him yeah he's a good debater he's great at debates so that was that and then them 13 it was just easy because what it is

is like one of my skills has always been in life or in things is like this is probably my skill anyway that I find out holes

in arguments very easily so when I see something i'll see the holes yeah so that's why i've always been good at debating or being very good this is the reason i blew up i blew up because not because i've got like some kind of like amazing personality but it's because academia because my background is academic and then i just like break things down in an academic manner but what i do is i just see the holes in people's arguments and then just break them down were you debating growing up too no i wasn't oh you weren't no no no so i was a nerd so like um my background is like i got a degree in law then i became like a mathematics teacher so i'd had a i've got a qualification mathematics and then ma in philosophy and then i was doing a phd in philosophy so i'm very much like a nerdy reading book type of guy.

So I wasn't really debating that much. I debated a bit here and there, but it was mainly debated in the sense of writing articles. But it wasn't a debate. You're just literally writing your own perspective. Okay. Because usually the nerds aren't good at debates. So you got something else in you that's making you good.

Maybe, maybe. Yeah, so I try my best. But yeah, I mean, Gary would say it's because I'm 33. Oh, you're 33? Same here. Nice. Do you believe in any of the numerology stuff or no? Okay, I wish you didn't ask me that.

Yeah, I do believe in it. Oh, you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Why do you wish I hadn't asked that? It's too personal? Because I'm going to get cancelled. So like everyone I know hates Gary and hates hates numerology especially from the academia space yeah

not just academia on social media like a lot of the christian a lot of my fans are muslims and christians they all dislike numerology a lot of them dislike numerology they don't agree with it um so like yeah whenever gary turns up like i'm always like half of the time trying to defend him but yeah um i like him dude i like him a lot he's a nice guy he's a great he's a great guy great guy yeah but i do i do believe in it yeah yeah i'm a fan i mean it's hard to prove it but it just makes so much sense yeah i mean you can't uh so like there's not been some mass experiment to prove it but because it's like something that is um more anecdotal experience based on experience um and remember like based on experience then it's a bit hard to prove from an academic perspective and also what is proven anything academically like if you

look at academic studies none of them are like very good none of them are very vigorous if you look at the data points they're very uh minutiae they'll have like 200 sets 300 sets they'll choose their parameters they'll choose everything so even anyone who basically appeals to science like it's it's silly you're only doing that because you're seeing like these kind of academia academic people as appealing to authority but in reality when you look at it they even their research isn't always great wow that's interesting i didn't know that yeah i don't i don't read any of the research and not any of the let me rephrase that so you have to always look at it so like whenever for me it's very easy when someone presents me a study to like just break it down and find or send the find the flaws in it so if i'm able to do it it shows that there isn't like great academia out

there or because remember even academia how do you get into academia you need to have a certain viewpoint you need to have a certain perspective then someone needs to peer review you so they need to agree with your idea and your thoughts if you're too out there you won't get that opportunity you won't get that position if you have something which is too drastic too different no it doesn't go with the mainstream let's say you're as an example an extreme anti-feminist you won't be able to do studies as an example like in the um in the 70s there was this study done which demonstrated that women have much worse recall than men right significantly worse this was allowed in the 70s do you think now in 2024 we'd be allowed to

do such a study and so so that tells you the answer. Wow, so women do have worse recall though? A hundred percent. So in like, for example, again, I'm quite religious. In the Quran, there's this idea that there's two women witnesses

to one man witness. So two women witnesses are equal to one man witness. And I was always like, because I'm like not someone who just believes anything for anything. I was like, okay, it sounds a bit like

what's going on here? Like why is two women to one man? thought everyone's equal wherever it may be so i looked into it and researched it and thought i was actually trying to like think like is this right or not because there's a lot of positions that i'll just break it down and find out the flaws in them and then i found these studies and the studies literally showed that in the 70s there was like showing that actually women have much worse recall than men from a memory perspective and then when a drastic event occurs, it's significantly worse.

So let's say like, for example, there was a car accident or a woman was in a car and there was a car accident, her recall would be much worse than a man's, like significantly worse,

nevermind normal recall. So if that's the case, then it makes sense to me that there's going to be two female witnesses to one man witness. But like what that, all of that tells you

is that when it comes to academia, like you just said it right because you know it and we all know internally that would never be allowed now so that tells you like how academia is controlled that's concerning though especially with witness testimonials because if a woman's testifying and her memory is not as good as a guy's you know that could affect the case 100 so in the west obviously a woman witness is equal to a male witness, right? Right. But women are easily influenced. We know this biologically and evolutionarily, right? Women are more amiable to points. This is proven, again, from psychiatry and psychology.

Just because biologically, like if you believe in biological evolution, you know that a woman's development is different to a male's development. So therefore, if they are different and their memory recall is different right and we know that their minds are different right because for example men are better than women in physical sports yeah but you know that because it's biologically physically but why are men better than women in chess way better too way better and poker yeah why because we think different like yeah so we think different or chess it requires a certain level of brain function or certain level of intelligence

some would say or certain level of intellect but the fact that we now live in a society where there's equality and women are able to play chess and it's not something that's physical and yet

if you look at the top 100 I believe there's only one woman in it or there isn't even one in the top 100 I can't remember I checked it a while ago that tells you that men when it comes to from an intellectual perspective or from a from that aspect of the intellect perspective are definitely more stronger than women and therefore obviously the western legal system it makes them equal in the sense of like one wins one

but in the islamic system this is the reason why there is that differentiation interesting wow and we'll be called misogynist for this, but we're just speaking in data. Yeah, it's just data and science. Yeah. So we can't even, it's not personal with us. No, it's not. I think women are important in the sense of to bring children up, to rear children, to basically give them time, give them the social development that a man doesn't have time to do so. So women, like I'm not degrading women. I'm not saying they're like second-class citizens or whatever, but they just don't have this,

women and men are not the same. And this is proven like biologically, but for some reason we've got to throw biology out the window. Yeah. So do you think women should be able to vote? I don't think women should be able to vote, but I think most people shouldn't be able to vote. Okay. Yeah, because Myron said the same thing on Twitter. Oh, what did he say I think most people shouldn't be able to vote. Okay. Yeah, because Myron said the same thing on Twitter.

What did he say? He said women shouldn't be able to vote. Okay. So I think not only women shouldn't be able to vote, but I think most men shouldn't be able to vote as well. Yeah, yeah. I think people are just dumb, and what they do is make terrible decisions.

And so you're seeing that by the people who are elected. Like people just follow whoever it is, and they just don't have their own intellect or capacity to do so. So then I have thought about it, and I thought, like, what would be an ideal scenario? Like, how would the voting system be? So I said, okay, so it should be based on intelligence. But then the question becomes, like,

how do you work out intelligence? IQ test. Again, so IQ test is like, I don't think it's an accurate display of intelligence because there are different types of intelligences. Like, for example, there's spatial awareness intelligence. Then there's, for example, analysis intelligence. So there's different types.

And the IQ test is actually a very specified type of intelligence. Now, I'm not trying to tie IQ to us because I score highly on IQ. But I still don't think it's a very good test for actual real intelligence. And so, therefore, there needs to be some system that's developed maybe some part of iqs in there or the aspects of intelligence are in there but then the question becomes like is intelligence the only parameter that should be looked at then maybe it should be people who are like businessmen or rich people but then the problem with rich people is have all of them intellectually smart yeah so then so there needs to be a system in that but then the

i did i did think about that and there is still flaws in my system as well because the problem with that is um what will happen over time is because i was just like thinking about this over time you'd basically have a scenario where let's say the intelligent people choose who is in power you'd have an elite group of intelligent people um and what happened is the, the vast majority of people wouldn't be in that group, right? And this group would become smaller and smaller and smaller because what happened is

these people wouldn't get the same access to education, same access to be able to develop the intelligence. There might be a few people in there who will end up meeting it, but generally speaking, it'll be most people from here.

But then like intelligent people don't always have intelligent kids as well. So even though you could put them in the best educational system, like they'll do well, but they might not be from here. But then like intelligent people don't always have intelligent kids as well. So even though you can put them in the best educational system, like they'll do well, but they might not be on there. So then this will become reduced and reduced. You'll get an extreme two-tier system

where those in charge become a lot smaller. And then these people, and then what they do is because they live in the kind of reclusive, secluded society, they'll not value the people underneath them. They'll see them as second-class citizens. They'll start treating them really badly.

And then what will happen is like these people are trying to overthrow those. So I do see the flaw in what I'm saying, but I do think it's a better system than what we've got now. You've really thought about this. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, I do.

I'm an nerd. I literally think about all these things. How is it in the UK? Is it popular vote or is it similar to the US? It's same as UK, first past the post. So we'll have certain areas that we'll have like, you have to get past 325 seats. Yeah.

You have to get 326 to basically be elected. The first past the post system, so for example, in specific areas, so you could get like a large proportion of the vote and yet only get less seats.

Right. So in the last election, as an example, Reform Party and Lib Dems got the same amount or similar amount of the popular vote, but one had like four seats

and one had about 50 or 60 seats damn yeah so there is it is the first past the poor system but again i'm i'm a someone who supports the first past the poor system oh you do yeah yeah i do because again when i look at it and i think like the founding fathers in the u.s yeah and those in the uk who came with the system i think they were actually a bit smart because what they thought about was this that you could basically what's the reason why you don't want first past why you want the first past the post system is because like you can get someone to manipulate the public into thinking that a certain idea is good and you get enough of a vote in enough of the areas to get a certain percentage right and so for example reform party was a good example of

that it's something that wasn't really a party in the uk and then two months leading up to the election somehow they were put on all the debate stages they were perpetuated on social media significantly they got such a boost that like dumb people just voted for them right so they got like 20 30 percent of the oh no it was 19 of the vote 20 of the vote which is shockingly high right but but they only got four seats because of first pass to the post system. Because what the first pass to the post system does is, it says that, look, actually everybody in that area has to be for that specific party for them to win the seat in the party. And then you have to win enough seats

to be able to become the prime minister. I think what that does is stop this level of manipulation that occurs. And this kind of, sometimes you can cause a huge amount of hatred in a specific area. I'll give you an example of how social media caused that fake news. And it caused riots in the UK.

So what it does is ensure that. So I would say actually the founding fathers in the US and the electoral system in the UK, they were very smart in the first part of the poor system. So I should support it. So you still think like Republicans, Democrats, that's a good system for the US? I don't think that Republican Democrats are the good system system like i do think there should be a third party alternative that isn't a uni party yeah but and again it would take time for that party to grow but what

will happen is like for example the first pass the support system is like you have to win like you have to win nevada for example don't you right so you so for example if you win nevada then you won for example one area and then you have to win another area So I think that's what the first part of the support system is, that you have to win the areas to be able to win. So it's not like you come, you get like, I don't know, 20% of Nevada, 20% of Los Angeles, 20% of New York. And overall you get 20% and somehow you can become like the prime minister or you can win the second most votes.

I think that there's a lot of flaws in that system, like the one I gave. It can cause parties that cause a huge amount of hatred or anarchists or want to cause destruction in society to be elected based on the popular vote. So I think the first possible vote system is actually better. I like that, yeah. RFK did some numbers, but no independent before him really did this much damage. True, RFK did decent numbers.

I think RFK, again, I don't want to bring everything back to that issue, but if RFK hadn't been I think RFK if he again I don't want to bring everything back to that issue but if RFK hadn't been so pro-Israel I think he would have had a very very very good chance of

even possibly getting more votes than the Democrats really? yeah because when I look at because I try

like with me I'm not just on the although some of my views do sound like I'm very much on the right but like for example I'm actually not on the right or the left just like in religion like I'm very much on the right but like for example I'm actually not on the right or the left

just like in religion I don't follow one group or one sect right so I speak to people from all backgrounds whether the right or left and I traveled the US and I spoke to a lot of people

in the left and a lot of them weren't willing to vote at that time Biden and the reason for it was is because of like the genocide that's happened in Palestine

so they were like we just can't support it we just can't vote for it so there was a there's a huge amount of vote in the US happened in Palestine. So they were like, we just can't support it. We just can't vote for it. So there's a huge amount of vote in the US. So in certain states, like for example, Michigan and a few others, almost like I believe 15 to 20% of people in the primary voted uncommitted, right? So that's a huge amount of votes that's available.

And if you put that throughout the US after what happened in the college protests, after what happened, many people on the left in the US are actually anti-war, right? And so that vote was completely available. And remember, Kennedy is that for Ukraine and for every other thing. It's just for some reason, we know why.

He's not that for Israel, right? I mean, he was in Jeffrey Epstein's plane, right? So for some reason, he's not. But if he had been, I think that's a huge amount of vote that could have went his way. Right. It's super hard as a politician

not to get compromised, I feel like. Oh, 100%. Just because of the money. Yeah, because of the money, because of the associations you need. It's hard to not sell out, not just as a politician. In like, for example,

in the capacities we are in, in social media, it becomes like very difficult for most people not to sell out. I find it very hard in the sense of, because i don't sell out i get into beef with nearly everyone right because i'm always like look i hope i have my values i'm never going to give them up i will respect you i will align with you on certain things for sure like we have an alliance with many people right for example the christian muslim alliance but then i don't sell up my sell

out my ideas i don't sell out my views i don't sell out my people I don't sell out my ideas. I don't sell out my views. I don't sell out my people. I don't sell out anyone. So in that way, and I'm willing to give up things. So like when October the 7th happened, I gave up like a huge deal. So like I'm willing to do that. And so most people aren't.

No, definitely not. Has there ever been a debate where it shifted your view in any way? Or are you very firm on your views? No, no, I'm very open in my views. So I'm not the type of person who's just like gung-ho. If someone, if I like, okay, so I don't find

most people smart. But let's say I find someone smart and they're coming with certain ideas, I will think about them and say, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Okay, that kind of fits in

with what I think in this way, but it kind of contradicts in this way, but kind of be infused in somehow. So yeah, of course, I'm always trying to develop. I've got like my own worldview, but I'm very open to like infusing different ideas

and different thoughts and seeing if they work. That's cool. So with Destiny, was there anything he said in particular where you were like, okay, that's interesting? No, I mean, Destiny's dumb, isn't he? You don't think he's smart? No, I'm being mean. He's not dumb and he's not smart.

He's not ultra smart, but he's just like, he's above average. He's above average but he's just like he's above average yeah um he's above average he's good at like quickly checking things on google and like you know debunking people quite quickly so he's really good in that so that debate i was moderating with myron where destiny was debating with the pro-palestinians he did a really good job because what he was doing was like they were saying oh look xy evidence and then he'd google it and say oh look look but the evidence is this so he was really good he was really good at that yeah right yeah if you have a computer that definitely helps you in a debate yeah yeah who was your most um respectable debate um in

terms of who was a good debater against me or who have um i would say um maybe maybe i'd say destiny was probably the better one okay but again like i didn't think he was that good so i've been like i don't think i've debated anyone hard you haven't been fully challenged yet yeah yeah i don't think i've debated anyone difficult. Who do you think could give you a run for your money? Maybe Jordan Peterson? Oh, Jordan Peterson I'd easily destroy him.

Really? He's easy. He's a psychologist. Yeah, he's dumb. I literally said about Jordan Peterson like a year ago. Now everyone's like,

yeah, yeah, Jordan Peterson isn't that smart. He makes a lot of contradictory points. But I like wrote a thread on him like a year ago

debunking like his ideas, his thoughts, how he's not very smart like Jordan Peterson Ben Shapiro called me out Ben would be a good debate yeah he would he's too scared to debate me

he called me out on his show and then he won't debate me oh really what did he say he was like oh there's a guy on Suleiman on Twitter he's doing propaganda blah blah blah

and I was like look I'll debate you then but he was unwilling to debate who would give me a good run for my money who's a really good debate I'm due to debate Tommy Robinson. He's going to be very easy.

Okay. Elon Musk, maybe. I don't think Elon Musk is a good debater. Yeah, I've never seen him debate, actually. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's no one really on the left that I could think of that I can debate. I don't even think I would debate someone on the left. Like, what would I debate someone on the left about? Yeah, good point, because you're not even on the right i'm not on the right or i'm

not on the left um so i think who i think is a good debater but i wouldn't debate him because i like i respect him i think hazel dean's a good debater okay uh he's uh like a american communist party yeah i think he's a good debate and the reason i think he's a good debate is i've watched a couple of his debates recently and he's easily destroyed his opponent dave smith the guy that debated cuomo yeah so what would i debate him on because like dave smith my issue with him was so dave smith i respect him a lot for being pro-palestine he's uh been supporting the palestinian cause but like there was this debate between um dave smith uh uh he's jewish but uh anti anti-zionist yeah and then you've got basically laura luma who's jewish but pro-zionist and then it was moderated by andrew sozniak you know from

the pbd yeah and he's zionist uh jewish guy so they were all debating right and it was about palestine but like in that debate like they were all agreeing, Islam's a problem, Islam's extreme, Islam's an issue. They disagreed on everything? Yeah, no, no. They disagreed on the Palestine issue, but agreed about Islam being a problem. And that was really annoying me.

So on that regard, yeah, I would debate David Smith on that. But I don't know if he would debate me. I think that was more that he would just keep on conceding it because he's probably been perpetuated the same lie about Islam or Islamic ideas. I've never seen such a one-sided debate with him and Cuomo i mean he destroyed him oh don't doubt it don't doubt

cuomo's again he's not great is he but dave smith is good so i'm not trying to harm him attack him i know he's you know you know he's got decent knowledge historically that was my only issue with him in that regard so if that would be probably the only thing i disagree with him i don't know what else i disagree him on. Yeah. Damn, we got to think of someone for you, man. Yeah. I mean, I'm debating Tommy Robinson in this month, but that's going to be easy. What are you going to debate on? Israel stuff?

No, the riots. Oh, the riots. Yeah, yeah. The riots that he was influential on, which he denies now in the UK. And we'll probably be talking about immigration. Yeah. We'll be probably talking about Islam because he's extremely anti-Islam. I saw Piers Morgan going at Tate

for the riot stuff, right? That's right, yeah, he did. A few weeks ago. Yeah, yeah. So what do people think of Piers Morgan? Is he based in the UK? So Piers, he is based in the UK. So Piers Morgan, I don't like Piers Morgan, right?

You don't like him. So I'll tell you what issue I have with Piers Morgan. So first of all, I give him credit for him speaking out in the war in Iraq. Right? So give him credit for that in 2003. He exposed some of the crimes that the British Army

was doing as well. And obviously people said that he did fake pictures, but it was happening still. Right? So give him credit for that. Give him credit that he was against the riots this time.

Yeah. Right? But what I have a huge problem with him is that he's been very harmful to British society on a number of key issues. Wow. Significantly significantly harmed it so i'll give you a couple of examples um first example teaching lgbtq in schools so what he did was he was very much a big proponent of teaching lgbtq education into schools in the uk wow i didn't know that yeah the problem with that is is children's minds aren't developed enough

to be able to decipher right from wrong. And therefore, when you're teaching them this, you're basically making them conform to a specific ideology when their mind isn't developed to do so. What he did was he brought many people who were against LGBTQ education into school and attacked them and destroyed them.

Also, what he did was, for example, there was muslim guy he brought him on because in the uk it was mainly the muslims who were against lgbtq education in schools christians in the uk christians aren't that religious anymore christians kind of christianities died in the uk oh wow yeah so it was only the only muslims who spoke out so what he did was he brought them on the show and was like oh my god you're barbaric you're backward why do you why do you not agree with british values of lgbtq education and he attacked them so badly and harmed anyone who was anti to the extent where it became a kind of normal idea within the uk because he is very influential person morgan is his channel is highly viewed. He's probably one of the most viewed people

in the UK. At that time, he was in Good Morning, I think it was Good Morning or whatever one of the morning shows. It was, again, one of the higher viewed shows. And so his,

what he did perpetuated this and also made it, so now, then it became mainstream, it became part of the educational system. So now in the UK, children as young as five learn LGBTQ education in schools.

And Pace Morgan, in my view, was a major proponent of that. Holy crap. They're teaching that to kids there? Yeah, as young as five. That's terrible. Like not just LGBTQ, even sex education.

You look at some of the stuff that they learn and you think a five-year-old, that's crazy that they're learning it. That was one of the major things he did. Another one was COVID. So again, he was someone, what happened was in the uk like like i said uk followed us right yeah but even then uk we were kind of a bit more not as crazy as you guys like we were kind of holding back a bit on certain things and what pace morgan would do was he would bring ministers in

from the government was the conservative government and he would literally attack them and destroy them for not being as extreme in their measures wow and he would literally attack them and destroy them for not being as extreme in their measures. Wow. And he would push extreme lockdown measures, extreme COVID measures. And again, he was a major impact on lockdown and COVID being so extreme in the UK. Right. So again, that was another major issue that he was on the wrong side of history

and he harmed it significantly. But do you think he had the right intent or do you think he was being told to say those things? It's a good question. If I had to say, I think that with pierce morgan up until this israel palestine he just did what he thought would get him the most views so he'd take a position that would get him the most views got it and he did that and good example of that is when he was anti-tate yeah in his very first interview and then he shot he got destroyed yeah

but then he also saw that Tate got me the numbers got him the numbers so then he brought Tate on again and then he got the you know so I think he goes more for numbers but I think with Israel and Palestine

he was very much pro-Israel at the beginning because again his he was working for Talk TV and Talk TV is Rupert Murdoch Rupert Murdoch is the Australian Zionist guy

and therefore he was perpetuating a certain in my view in my therefore he was perpetuating a certain, in my view, in my opinion, he was perpetuating the ideology because of that reason. And since he's left Talk TV and his show is YouTube and it's just his own show, you're seeing he's getting more of a balanced position now. Interesting.

Yeah, I always wondered what UK people thought of him. Because I see him over here and he's pulling huge numbers. Oh, he's pulling huge numbers in the UK as well. He's probably, in the UK, he's probably huge numbers in the UK as well. He's probably, in the UK, he's probably the number one guy. He has to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't really know any other podcast hosts out there. True. I mean, Diary of a CEO, right? Sorry? Diary of a CEO. Have you seen that one? No.

That's a business podcast. Okay, okay. Yeah, he's more political. So, damn, dude. Interesting. Well, anything you want to close off with, dude? No, no, that's everything.

Thanks. That was awesome, man. Thanks so much for coming on. No, thank you. I hope you land and don't get arrested. Yeah, I hope not. If, anything you want to close off with, dude? No, not necessarily. Thanks. That was awesome, man. Thanks so much for coming on. No, thank you for having me. I hope you land and don't get arrested. Yeah, I hope not. If not, I'll come on your show electronically and be like,

I told Sean Kelly's people I was going to get arrested. Oh, man. If not, I'll post GoFundMe or something. I'll support it. Thanks for watching, guys. See you next time.