Digital Social Hour - Tai Lopez On Being a Narcissist, The Perfect IQ Score & Traveling | Digital Social Hour #126

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

On today's episode of the Digital Social Hour, Tai Lopez talks about why he lives outside of the USA, why he makes all his girlfriends take personality tests and when he was the happiest in his life. BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] APPLY TO BE ON THE POD: https://forms.gle/qXvENTeurx7Xn8Ci9 SPONSORS: Opus Pro: https://www.opus.pro/?via=DSH HelloFresh: https://www.hellofresh.com/50dsh AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yeah, I know you're big on those personalities. Is it true you make all your employees take personality tests? Yeah, but before I hire them. Oh, before? Before you go on a date, too. Especially Tinder. Oh, yeah? Guys, especially if you got money.

Everybody take my new quiz. This woman took it, and I looked at her scores, and I was just joking. It was like 50 people watching. I was like, you must have killed somebody. Dude, her face turned white. And she was a black girl. So it was noticeable when her face flushed white. And about two hours later, I was talking to her, and she admitted she black girl so it was noticeable when her face flushed white and about two hours later i was talking to her and she admitted she killed somebody ladies and gentlemen if you have ever been on youtube.com you have seen this man we got ty

lopez in the building how's it going good thanks for having me absolutely man what you been up to you still still reading still learning still reading a little bit i just read uh i was doing an audio book of a complicated guy nicha booksche book. It's called The Gay Science. It doesn't mean gay in how we use it. The Happy Science. But it's not a very happy book. Really? What's it about?

It's Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy on life and the will to power. Controversial guy. Interesting. They say he was the motivation for Adolf Hitler. Whoa. But I think Hitler twisted it because nietzsche may be one of the smartest people to ever live but he's he's kind of when you read nietzsche it's like every hundred words you're like what did this guy just say and then the next 10 words are profound

the next hundred words nobody understands everybody tells you they understand i'm like you don't know what he said so So he was like a mad genius. Oh, yeah. Before he died, he was, they say he probably had a tumor on his brain, which was making him insane, but they caught him dancing with a horse. Dancing with a horse, wow. He had figured probably a small horse, and they found him in the middle of a German town, something like that.

It's some strange story. Wow. Genius and madness. Fine line, right? Brother and sister. Yeah. Identical twins. Are you on that spectrum?

I don't know. I don't know if I'm not a genius like Nietzsche. I mean, this guy was a deep. Those Germans back then, I mean, there was no Germany when he was born, but that region produced all these really you know the cons the spinoza that spinoza all that european genius is tough to match you know yeah those germans were smart man germans and the austrians and i like them you know i'm half german yeah i guessed your ethnicity before and and people don't ever guess that i'm half i would never guess that

i don't know but i look like my dad yeah because germans are tall usually right yeah tall and white and i got i got that latin face you know i look just like my dad so he's spain yeah it seems like there's some drawbacks to being a genius yeah like socially and just like you know if you have kids you know the question is you have kids you don't have kids right not yet you have kids it's like you had a magic wand how smart would you want your kid i think the answer is about 135 iq it's like gifted yeah you like the stanford binet test or even 134 i think to get into mensa now they lowered it um it used to be in the 140s now it it's like 135. They wanted more membership dues. So they're like, there ain't enough 140, 150s. We got a chance, guys.

Let's go. So I'd say you want your kids, if you have a magic wand, like 134 because you lose touch. It's kind of like I interviewed Shaquille O'Neal for bodybuilding.com that I bought. And I did my first podcast. He's so tall. He has a hard time connecting with regular people. When you're 7'2", 450 pounds, you know, like attracts like. There's no like.

So I think your kids, when they start getting 140s, Elon Musk is probably 150s, you know. He has a hard time. I don't know if you saw that new book came out. Which one? It's a biography by Isaacson on Elon Muskacson on oh yeah on musk and it's like yeah his wife was like you know i can't connect with people she said he had no yeah well the old the other wife togula or whatever but she said he has no empathy that's what people say

so you know empathy is like the ability to read emotions i actually think that's, I doubt that. I think he's just smart. And so he doesn't connect with people. Just like if you're a millionaire, you're not going to, it's going to be hard to have business conversation with the dude who has a $50,000 business. Right. There's nothing. Yeah. That's a good way of looking at it.

Cause they do say that about really smart people that they can't connect emotionally. Yeah. But I think that's because, you know, Asperger's. Humans now use labels to cover up. Oh, I have Asperger's. I'm like, really? Do you? Because first off, the word Asperger's is just a word.

It's not a real thing. I think we often, like I'll give you an example. People say they're introverts. And they say, oh, I'm an introvert. I need to recharge my batteries. I don't know if you ever heard, you know, people talking about it. But most people that call themselves introverts are actually people with high social anxiety. Interesting. They're socially anxious, and there's a score called the Hexago score, which is more scientific. They would have lower social boldness is what it's

called. So a lot of people out there calling themselves introverts are just anxious people, socially anxious, And so they might actually be extroverts. That's why if you haven't, I have a lot of introvert friends that like to go to house parties, but they want to stay like a fly on the wall, but they enjoy, like they don't really, they're not reclusive. They're not hermits. And so what I say to them is you're probably are an extrovert. You just haven't overcome your social anxiety yet interesting so yeah i know you're big on those personalities is it true you make all your employees take personality tests yeah but before i hire them that's when oh before before you go on a date too especially tinder oh

yeah guys especially if you got money don't going out willy-nilly that's the i mean i can't tell you how many people it's not 100 accurate but about of the time, you can filter out whack jobs. So which personality traits do you avoid typically? Avoid high exploitation traits. Dark triad, they call it. But there's other ones. So it's like narcissists, Machiavellian, psychopathy, psychopaths. Yeah.

But with women, if you're a guy dating women like me, like women, it's a myth. Women aren't psychopaths. Very few. If you don't, people argue with me. I'm like, okay women it's a myth women aren't psychopaths very few if you don't people argue with me i'm like okay let's go to wikipedia we'll pull up the list of the last thousand serial in history it's like 995 are men and like five are women right so i'm like the statistics you got your opinion you know but you don't know what you're talking about in but women have other things more like like women are more likely to have borderline personality disorder and they're more likely to have high anxiety so the women if i was a woman dating men men are more psychopathic like i've tested like five six hundred thousand people that this company lifecompass.com that i that i built based on what

my mentor dr buss told me from harvard and dudes like 30 of guys have high psychopath really women it's like one two three wow it's and men a lot of men have like 80 psychopath there's a test called the levison psychopathy test is one of them man you don't i've i've seen when i there was i did a house party playing basketball, and all these people were there. I'm like, everybody take my new quiz. This woman took it, and I looked at her scores, and I was just joking. It was like 50 people watching. I was like, you must have killed somebody.

Dude, her face turned white, and she was a black girl. So it was noticeable when her face flushed white. And about two hours later, I was talking to her, and she admitted she had killed somebody. When she was like 18, she was like, I lived in the housing projects never told anybody there was a girl who bullied me for years and I hid behind a bush and hit her with a stick I didn't mean to kill her and she's like she died because I hear in the back but that test flushed that out but it's rare you won't see many women who score 80 yeah funny story so I found out about the dark tree. I test from you. Okay, and I was on a double date Okay, and we made my friend's girl take it right? Yeah, she got a 99 narcissism

Oh, yeah, so the next day they broke up. Hell. Yeah, it was too much of a red flag for him Yeah, and you can also test like some people are like are you gonna break up with a girl just on the test? I'm like no, I'm gonna give sometimes people don't read the test but When the test shows someone's a 99 narcissist you start connecting the dots with the behavior right in front of you yeah narcissists high narcissism people at 99 you have what's called mpd it's like a full-fledged narcissistic my dad had that they found now those people are missing gray matter in a portion now these fmri machines you're missing a certain type of brain tissue. Wow. So you can't even fix it.

So some guys are like, well, I got this girl. I'm going to send her to Tony Robbins. I love Tony Robbins self-help. Don't get me wrong. But I'm like, he ain't going to put more gray matter in the region of her brain that will give her lower narcissism. But there's also like seven types of narcissists. Narcissism is a sub facet because a lot of people think narcissists just look in the mirror. But narcissism is authority, narcissism,

superiority, exhibitionism, exploitativeness, self-sufficiency, vanity. So there's like, I think I missed, I forget which one I missed, but there's seven. And so you can be dealing with somebody, for example, like a lot of pretty women. I'm assuming you told me you have a Latina girlfriend. Yeah. I'm assuming she's pretty. Absolutely. Okay.

In my experience, it would be controversial. Almost all hot girls get 100% vanity. What's that? On the narcissism. They like to look at themselves in the mirror. Okay. Same with dudes who are bodybuilders. You got a dude friend that's a bodybuilder.

Bodybuilders almost all score 100 on vanity but my experience is vanity narcissism is not that obnoxious it's not that much of a nightmare nightmare dudes are like oh how do you date hot women i'm like you're gonna have to put up with some vanity narcissism so that's a type of narcissism it's not that nasty the nasty one for example is exploitativeness that's a narcissist that purposely takes advantage of you sounds like you got some uh experience yeah well that's the one you don't want self-sufficiency narcissism sometimes is charming that's a girl who's like no i don't need you to open the door for me i don't know. But self-sufficiency can rise to the level of also mental instability when you don't think you need any help.

A lot of entrepreneurs have that. So I'm like, you need to read. There's a whole group of entrepreneurs who battle with me. You don't need mentors. You don't need books. I'm like, what are you talking about? That's self-sufficiency narcissism. I'll figure it out on my own.

But it's a very illogical stance you don't learn a language on your own i can't if i want to learn chinese i can't go the answers are within no you learn chinese go to china do a little internship for six months where you have to speak it nobody speaks english you those are your mentors in-person interaction um mentors you need books because half the guys in the world are dead that you want to learn from. So people are like, no, I, I, I learned better in person. Well, I love in-person mentors are always better, but how would you learn from Nietzsche? He died in the 1800s. So you've got to use books. Books are like a quasi mentor, not as good, but a necessity. Absolutely. You know,

now going back to the narcissism you mentioned your father at it which type did he have and do you think that sort of affected you as a child well it's super genetic i don't score it's funny a lot of people in this world think i'm a high narcissist i'm not low but i'm not that high i get like 57 out of 100 okay so it's it's it's a it's like 60 out of 100 6 out out of 10. So it's not genetic. It is genetic, but my mom doesn't have it. Remember, you dilute your dad's genes. So my dad's next wife, my dad was married six times.

After my dad married the next woman after my mom, she was a little more narcissistic. And those kids, one of my brothers is like my dad, MPD. Because narcissism is like 0.78 heritable meaning so height is like 0.78 so height and narcissism pass down very similarly right so it's like donald trump if you read donald like i think donald trump in some ways is a badass as a president right he's got his flaws but he's a powerful dude you need a warlord to be president against other warlords like putin and stuff but trump's father fred if you read the book his dad was a classic narcissist and even trump says yeah i'm kind of a narcissist so that came through the bloodline and a lot of women say oh i had a horrible breakup my ex was a narcissist

nine out of ten times a woman who dated a narcissist is a narcissist herself. Just maybe an introverted narcissist. But like attracts like, man. Yeah. It seems like in the business world, some narcissism doesn't hurt. Yeah. Well, here's – okay. So if you want to get a little deeper here, here's my hypothesis that I've run by a pretty smart psychologist. So narcissism, when you are a superhero, is a superpower.

Let me repeat. When you yourself are a superhero, narcissism is like steroids. It makes you even more of a superhero. So I used to do a lot of stuff with the NBA, pro basketball players, NFL. I've never met a – and I'm friends with some of the Hall of Famer guys, right? I used to do a show with T.O., Terrell Owens. We used to do T with T.O. and Ty. Hall of Fame, maybe the top one, two, or three wide receiver in history.

His hyperconfidence coupled with his skill physical skill you know they call to the body right he's like almost 50 this dude is like ripped so if he had just had the body but out without hyper confidence he would have been a good gym basketball player like at the la fitness yeah by coupling it with narcissism, it's like an injection and it turned him from like a six foot tall guy to like a nine foot tall superhero. What happens is the way genetics works is just dispensing narcissism. Evolution is like very non-discriminatory in a certain way. Just like, we're going to have certain person. And the worst person you ever meet is someone who has does not have

the skills to back it up, but inherited that narcissism gene. Then it's their worst enemy. So I'll give you a good example. You were one time I was in Manhattan and a big bar fight like was about to break out all these dudes. And I had a guy with me who was weak, but had hyper confidence. So when these big dudes were coming up to him, like,

yo, got our way. He, I mean, the guy was like five, five and he was not a good fighter. And he had the confidence of like, you know,

Conor McGregor. And I, that confidence almost got killed that night. Whoa. It was crazy. There was swinging dude. By the end of the night, there were shoes flying around. People were getting hit so hard, their shoes were flying off. But the point is, now let's say I used to have a guy.

Well, I still do. I have a guy travel with me, big bodyguard type guy, Rome. He's 6'6", 330 pounds. He's confident in his skills and has the physicality to back it up. Right. So if you're an entrepreneur and you're like, like all Forbes list guys will score high in narcissism. But they have the IQ and the business skill to back it up. So it takes them from being worth a hundred million to being worth a hundred billion. Right.

If you're an entrepreneur and you don't have the natural skill set to back that confidence is gonna get you. So I would say that there's an old saying, it's a knife that cuts both ways. Narcissism can cut and save your life, but if you're an entrepreneur and you're not an Elon Musk, that narcissism gonna cut and make you fail. Wow, that's interesting. It's a weird one.

Yeah, and I know you've made a ton of money on social media. I saw you just got banned on TikTok. Yeah, just off of a live call, I think they're going to let me back on. But I was flaming TikTok because I was basically saying, look, I believe that social media, there's this thing I call SSGs, self-selected groups. It means that IQ breaks into different groups. For example, there's no super high IQ. This will be medical doctors aren't the smartest ones, that when you're super high IQ 145 to 155, you become astrophysicist, almost always, right? I'm not saying doctors aren't smart. But if you look at the data, their IQ, lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers generally fall like 120 to 135. So there's a self-selected

group. Just like if you're a hyper aggressive dude, Navy SEALs are like 80% psychopaths. Who applies to be a Navy SEAL? That's a self-selected group you can apply for. Not some gentle dude who's a yoga instructor who does kumbaya. It's the dudes that are like, I like the ****. So occupations do the same thing. Countries do the same thing. America is a certain personality type people move. And it's been that way for hundreds of years.

The French used to call America the merchants. people who like money genetically have moved to america that's where we're the best at making money right for the most part people who live are happy stay in scandinavia that's why denmark's the happiest country in the world so you get all the all of life like breaks into these ssg self-selected groups and so what was the original question you said? I don't even remember now. That's good. I got so into your story.

We got another one. But this is relevant. Oh, you got banned. Why'd you get banned? Oh, I got banned. So TikTok is a self-selected group. I find the highest IQ people on social media probably end up on Twitter. But it's also the highest,

what I call threat defenders, people driven by cortisol and stress. So also the most sensitive. So the sensitive high IQ people love Twitter. You can f***ing chirp about s*** and it's more introverts go there too. You don't show your face. It's not so video based. Elon Musk is a very smart guy, more introverted, more threat based, cortisol driven.

He's a complicated guy but that's how i classify him tick tock i was i basically started calling live i was like i was talking to the other social medias i was live with and i was like let me translate for low iq and i i started just because i find like tick tock is like a lot of dumb a lot of kids yeah but it's not just kids. It's like smart kids. Like Reddit sometimes ends up with high IQ people. But also like Twitter, it also attracts a certain mental illness.

So it's like high Machiavellian, high anxiety people, high cortisol. They're driven by that physiological hormone. They go to TikTok. They go to Reddit. You know, Instagram, like Facebook has now attracted kind of the old mom kind of crowd. Right, right. But it's a little more right wing, you know. So everything in life you can start dividing up.

Like Vegas where we are now, certain person. If you meet somebody who's been a long time, assuming they weren't born here, so they chose to fly here and live. That's an SSG. You're going to find a certain type of woman who lives on the strip who works at a club you can't be surprised like i meet dudes like i don't understand i live in vegas i meet a lot of chicks pretty but they're vapid i'm like it's vegas it's called sin city culture you're not getting women that are like ah i'm a deep thinker i want to go and i to go. There will be deep thinkers who are working

at a club if you're a woman watching this. But it'll be like 80-20 rule. It'll be like a small subset. They call that thick markets. You got to move to the thick market of, like, if you like blondes, don't live in Los Angeles. You ever go to the Grove?

There's no blondes left in Los Angeles. It's hilarious. You go to the Grove. I used to, I observed things. Other people, I have weird things I observe. I'm like, there's no blonde people. I go to, I live in Stockholm, Sweden, you know, like 60% of people have blonde hair, blue eye, lighter features. So I have a friend, I do a private mentoring program for like really advanced entrepreneurs. I got a guy in Montreal, he's like, I'm not meeting them, you know, the kind of girl I like.

I'm like, what kind of girl are you attracted to physically? He's like, blonde. Well, Montreal is French. France is also the least blonde place. Go to Paris. It's a very brunette place. Brazil. I was just in Sao Paulo. There's no blondes, I mean, maybe in the South of Brazil.

So you take that, that's hair color, but anything you want out of life, half your problems get solved by geography. Wow. So you ain't making enough money. I tell people, well, you probably gotta move. People, you can live in the raw, if your goal is above average, if your goal is to make $100,000 to $500,000,

you can live anywhere, you know, but it's easier. Now, Warren Buffett defies this. He's like, I'm not going to move to New York. He stayed in Omaha, Nebraska. But he's a third-generation, wealthy, extra-high IQ guy. For the average entrepreneur, when things aren't working out, I'm like, fix it with geography first, right? Especially dating to guys got you got to fix. I know, so many people are like, I can't find the right one, like fix it with geography, start with their

LA attracts narcissists, New York attracts greed, Miami, Vegas, attract more vapid, like narcissists, but like super van vein, LA, you'll get narcissists but a different type they're not just like 50 surgeries you know my Vegas and especially Miami's like 50 surgery women there's actually all kinds of science on the psychology of having a lot of plastic surgery pretty interesting oh really what's the well like that SSG is like super correlated with narcissism. Interesting. And tattoos. When I see somebody, it's funny.

I cold read people all the time. I did it at a seminar. There's a guy, he's been wanting to shoot a documentary on me forever. And so I let him come to my seminar in London. And I was like, I'm going to cold read the room. And when people watch that documentary, I'm like, Ty planted this guy. Because there was a guy and I was like, you got a lot of trauma. And he's like, yeah, I'm like, let me guess what it is.

I'm like, you've been shot. And I don't know how I could guess he was shot. But he was like, how did you know? I got shot in the leg about two years ago. That's impressive. Yeah. But people, trust me, I know how high cortisol stress-based internet is going to be like, Ty planted that guy.

But tattoos, lots of tattoos, is almost always high anxiety, which is comorbid with depression. You see a dude who tries – people try to make themselves look tough. Like face tattoos is crazy. Unless you're like Maori and it's part of your culture, face tattoos is a great warning of just massive levels of mental instability. Lots of tattoos. I actually think people can look good with tattoos.

I'm not really anti-tattoo, but the science is in. And since I read that science five years ago, you find somebody with a whole bunch of tattoos, you dig in and their anxiety levels, one to 100 is almost always 80 90 or 100 interesting yeah body modification is very correlated with depression too so it's not just cutting lots of piercings lots of things so the bot people's actions leave clues to their inner mind you know i'm more of an inner mind guy. Most modern therapy is the conscious mind. But like Freud said, the mind is like an iceberg.

It's like only 10% above the water. So most therapists are like, how do you feel? I'm like, I'm not a therapist. I'm more like, tell me, who'd you date last? That's what I want to know. I go out on a date with a girl. I don't ask, are you looking for long-term guys to meet girls? Are you looking for,

I'm like, tell me about your ex. I can meet your ex, never meet you. And no 90% I need to know about it. I mean, birds of a feather flock together. Wow.

Cause most people, most guys don't want the girl to talk about their ex, but you're like, let me meet your ex. Business too. You're going to have a business partner or the guy be like, what happened to your last business partner? The second a guy talked about his last business partner, that's a bad,

that's probably a high exploitation guy. Wow. So if a guy's like, yeah, I just, my business partner, he was a total narcissist, totally exploited me. You got to ask yourself what kind of human would have had that partner to begin with and it's almost always somebody who I call it shadow dating or shadow business we often date our shadow like our shadow is kind of us you know you're walking you like do your arm and your shadow moves with you when you date someone crazy or you have a business partner is crazy or your employees are

crazy that's a reflection kind of you you're moving around they're moving right with you wow so you mentioned the dark side all these cities and also your latest youtube video is should i leave the usa right i did a podcast for a guy for that yeah yeah so are you exploring other cities and countries oh man i've always lived out i started living outside of the u.s a second i figured out how to make money online like i first thing i did was buy plane tickets i was going down to puerto rico i used to be a professional salsa dancer so wow i went to puerto rico i started going to scandinavia more than 10 years ago so i i'm not so much about see i believe if you if you ask a scientist who really looks at our genes we're more hunter gatherers than we are modern people or even farmers there There's been like three stages.

There's been hunter-gatherers that were like tribal people. Then about 15,000 to 25,000 years ago, we switched to farmers. And now exactly about when my grandma died, my grandma lived to 102. She was born in 1918 during World War I. That was the end of the farmer world when she was born still about 90 percent of the world lived in either small villages or a farm wow 10 were in cities when my grandma died about 100 years later 2020 the world was 90 people lived in cities so human evolution gone through three stages societally hunter-gatherer that was from let's say 300 000

years to about 15 25 000 years 15 to 25 000 years then farmers and so that's where like that's where like a lot of our con that's where wealth came from back when there was tribes no one dude was on the forbes list because you just had a no guy could do a bow and arrow a hundred times better than his buddy in the same village right once farms came one man who was better with technology better at plowing he could plow 10 times more fields so all the rise of like super wealthy persian empires and thing african empires was from agriculture and now with we've carried that in and now you have 10 men on the forbes list who literally have more money than the bottom four billion people it's great 10 men basically control more wealth than like half the world crazy that couldn't happen 100 so anyway

back to your question about you know um like how should we live should we live in America since I know most of my genes and your genes are still tribal what did tribal people do to live and they rotated around so they would live you know like the Native Americans in the United States they would have there was a tribe I was reading a book about one of the famous chiefs and he would he said growing up they lived in the area that's like illinois and then when it got cold you didn't have heat they would kind of migrate south like into like oklahoma where it's naturally warmer right and he remembers his family had like three homes and they come back to the same place the same little hill you know put their it wasn't teepees but similar to that so those people are very happy and we've gone into the artificial farm and urban world and that's

why basically nobody's happy so for me i like to have a tribal rotation and i rotate with that so i have a house you know i have house in the us i rotate kind of i've been rotating last couple years like puerto rico then i'll go up to like sweden london back to like vegas type area or something and then i have my farm so it's just like and i'm way happier that way interesting and i think it's i think most people would be you can't always afford to do it when i first started out i couldn't even afford i was living in a mobile home i didn't have one home but it most people should have two places at least and it doesn't have to be fancy yeah you know it can be like you can pitch a tent somewhere like if you're broke you know so i think most people were actually happier if we move creativity goes up to if you're entrepreneur crazy science on

if you're stuck travel yep something about going on vacations or traveling really gets your mind going yeah yeah if you're broke buy a greyhound bus ticket they're like four dollars to go across the u.s man you get to go with all these crazy people but yeah man i mean that lifestyle it sounds good but wouldn't it be hard to pull off with family with kids you think kids will be happier they'll be smarter you know the modern education system kids learn a hell of a lot more living in different cultures iq goes there's not many things that raise your iq a lot of people are like oh well my kids to be smarter i'm gonna play them bach beethoven and bronze classical music well maybe that activates a little bit of iq but one thing they know for sure

is learning multiple languages makes you smarter oh so i i think people i don't think your kids will suffer you know now i i don't think you should be traveling to new places every month that's not what the tribal people did they had like one two they had like two or three places right but yeah the modern i mean it'll mess up your kids school system but i don't know how people are homeschool i can't imagine any other way to raise. You want your kids out? Not what I went through. I wouldn't want that on my kids.

Yeah. Did you go through? Yeah, I went through, got bullied, got made fun of. Yeah. It sucked. What was the main reason? Just because I'm different. I think just your personality.

Entrepreneurial. Yeah. So you were always like that? Yeah. Always trying to make money on my own. Yeah. that yeah always trying to make money on my own yeah and bullying has a huge of all the things that happen to people that i think scars people for the longest it's bullying especially these days with cyber bullying it's easy yeah cyber bullet but i mean like if you have kids and your

kids get bullied one time take them out of the school you kids can't toughen up to bullying bullying is like yeah it creates actually Machiavellian traits the one thing it's the one mental illness somewhat that's not really genetic it goes from bullying and just people get destroyed I was reading Elon Musk's book his dad who's kind of a strange fellow pretty smart but Elon won't talk to his dad anymore but his dad just taught his kids toughen up Elon got beat up so one time so much I think it was either him or Elon's brother was in the hospital for like a month in fact no it was Elon it said in this book that Elon to this day still has to go get surgery sometimes on his nose because he got his nose broken so many times that's

crazy like if that's what kind of dad puts their kid in that, I should pull them out immediately. People say, well, if you homeschool them, the kids will be too isolated. Put them in a sports thing where it's controlled. Basically you can't put kids of the same age altogether with one teacher per

50 kids. You can put them on like a basketball team where there's like one coach, 12 kids. The coach can stop bullying. But the problem with big schools, you can't stop bullying. Absolutely. Did you deal with that when you were in school? You know, I didn't get bullied much.

But one of my brothers got bullied really bad and I saw the repercussions. I didn't get bullied. I was pretty athletic. But people mature at different ages. You know, some people like Elon Musk became a genius later. So, no, I think bullying is a freaking, is the disaster. Besides the fact that the school doesn't teach you anything. I call them the six magical skills everybody has to learn to making money ironically elementary school middle school junior high high school

and university 99 of people don't learn one of the six magical things so you know the first i call them the king queen and prince and princess the king's skill is sales. Making money, the most correlated behavior, if you look at the Forbes list, 75% of self-made billionaires did it through direct sales. It was one of their first jobs. Elon Musk had it. Bill Gates had it. Steve Jobs had it.

Mark Cuban told me he was selling garbage bags door to door. So sales is the king. The queen is marketing. The queen is automating sales but so this king is still direct being able to sell negotiate deals you know i've done a lot of business with guys on the forbes list i own a couple companies with some of them these are tough dudes tough i call them all the warlords nobody on the forward laws bit everyone on the forbes list at the top is a warlord. But these warlords have one master king skill, which is direct sales negotiation persuasion.

Then marketing is just automating that, making a commercial about it, making a funnel. Like here in my garage, it's just the same thing I would tell people one-on-one. I flipped it into an automated funnel. That's marketing. So you got the king and queen. School doesn't teach you that. Most parents can't teach it. Then below that, you have the two princes,

which, because I tell everybody, just focus on making money online. Every other type of business will slowly become obsolete. So you've got, you know, the prince number one is you learn how to resell other people's products. That's what Apple does. Every time you buy something on the App Store, they get 30%.

They make, it's the most profitable part of so reselling is a prince skill for making money number two is digital products elon musk started with digital products paypal zuckerberg richest young guy ever in modern history it's all a digital product facebook then you have the i call them the princess skills the other two ways to make money which is physical products that's what jeff bezos did and then lastly is business services like an smma social media marketing or software as a service larry ellison i call him the unknown billionaire he's number four richest person in the world he does the fourth one he has oracle net suite i pay him one of my companies would pay him $200,000 a year for his software to run our accounting NetSuite.

So the school system is in shambles because not one person comes out of school with the king, queen skills or any of the prince, princess skills. Nothing. So it's like you're just sending your kids to be bullied for the most part. Yeah. You really – you're like, let's see. We'll have no upside for our children, but a lot of downside. Public school,

wow, okay, I'm the only nut job who has no logic, does anything that has no upside, but a lot of downside.

Yeah, can't think of any other industry where it's like that. Yeah, and parents supposed to love their kids. I always say, this shows you the conscious

and unconscious mind. The conscious mind of parents, almost every parent loves their kid. But if you look at the behavior, which is the telltale sign of the unconscious, parents rarely love their kids, rarely love their kids. And a geneticist would say the same thing, an evolutionary psychologist. The reason men and women almost always get married. Look, for the individual child, it's better to be an only child. You get all your for the individual child is better to be an only child You get all your mother and father's attention. I was only child. Yeah, it's better for you for the kids

for the kids to spread their genes Sorry for the parents to spread their genes is better to have more kids so there's always a balance even in the womb the fetus the baby is actually hurting the mother it's stealing resources even in the blood so there's people think families are like always lovey-dovey i'm like have you been on you know fast and furious is all about it's all about family i'm like have you been on earth like families exploit each other yeah brothers and sisters exploit each other you know so school is a great example of how parents rarely care about their kids as much as they think they think they do though i believe it when a kid when a parent looks at their kids

i love my kid i'm like i believe your conscious mind but i'm not sure your unconscious behavior acts that way man that's deep people beat their kid i was talking to somebody's like mike i talked i went on tinder date it was dramatic to be on this date i could read right away she had trauma it turned out her mom started beating her it's six months old and she's like i still love my mom i'm like whoa like what psychic what their where's your psyche have to be to hit little kids that are your own it's a weird world man that's weird i know we touched on bullying and i've heard you talk about loneliness right yes that's also and i think you said the average american only has two friends now yeah two close friends that's really low i live in copenhagen like the average

denmark they say it's the happiest country but the reason is they have they like the average denmark they say it's the happiest country but the reason is they have they like the average person belongs like three social groups i go i got a friend remy's a famous guy in denmark he is like every night almost every night when he's out it's like 10 12 15 people men and women it's like very balanced so it's not just like a whole bunch of dudes no wonder they're happy you go to america it's america's very look the nuclear family is a complicated thing i know a lot of people defend the nuclear family but and there's some truth to it but you need a friend group man yeah it's not just mom dad brother sister as i said there's often exploitation that happens within families so sometimes you have a friend

that's closer than a brother you can have a friend that's closer than a brother. You can have a friend that's closer than a brother. A lot, everyone listening, 90% of you have a family member who's related to you that's more likely to you over than one of your best friends. Wow. And I still love family.

Like you got to find the good family. Right. You know, you got to find the good family. Just like you got to find the good friends. But yeah, loneliness is boy. Entrepreneurs are lonely are lonely a lot too very it hit deep when you said that because i was lonely for years and you know really took a toll on my health honestly what helped you just getting out there but i locked myself in a room for like a year or two years straight just working and i realized it wasn't the life i wanted yeah because you need to like

share your success with people yeah for sure i mean again where humans go wrong as we see ourselves as this enlightened being versus we're just an animal species it's like homo sapien you know you you got we used to be homo neanderthal is most of us are two to three percent another species in the dna and i have a farm i try to keep i have like 30 horses and people are like, oh, why do you have so many horses? Well, people, when you have one horse, that horse is miserable. Even two horses evolved in large, relatively large groups, like 15 to 30 horses in the wild. You can go to Arizona and find these wild horses. They sometimes are even bigger groups. So how did humans evolve? We evolved in groups of 150, a famous scientist, Robin Dunbar, it's called Dunbar's

number. So it's like 120, 150 people. So every person should have, you know, ideally you're connected to like 40 family members. Maybe they're not all alive, but they're cousins or second cousins. You have like 40, you know know people that you're pretty close with friends acquaintance and you have like 40 pretty distant people but you still once a year might you know be you should be able to put it this way you should be able to throw a party once a year and 150 people show up that's a lot of people yeah but if thing about like fam just once maybe every three years but if you can't and and look if you're more introverted maybe that is a lower number yeah but it shouldn't be two or three yeah that's too low yeah yeah we're planning our wedding right now and we're thinking about 150 so

that makes sense that's good yeah make it happen they say our brain synapse if you do the permutations of 150 people it's like 10 000 connections because in like chimpanzees, there's four of us in this room. I'm not just gauging how you perceive me. I'm perceiving how she perceives you. I got to keep that in my memory. She kind of likes him. He doesn't like him. I like you. So 150 people is actually like 10, like tens of thousands of permutations, many thousands. And that's the most our brain can handle. So when you drop a kid into a school, like I lived with the Amish for two and a half years. They're the happiest people.

Scientists like Jared Diamond, very respected UCLA Pulitzer Prize winner. He told me, I interviewed him for MentorBox. He's like, the Amish, I tested them. They're like 500% happier. And they live in groups of about 150 people. They all know each other names. They have closer family members. And they also do one-room school rooms.

And so there's less bullying because like a six-year-old is in the school with their 14-year-old brother. Oh, same class? Yeah, all one class. Whoa. You know how that's how almost all schools in America in the 1800s were. They called them one room classrooms. Interesting.

And it was from the Amish do it from first grade and then they stopped school at eighth grade. But just imagine, so like, let's say you had a bigger family, like four brothers. Yeah. And you were young, and let's say you were still kind of awkward and an eight year old goes to pick on you.

You might be sitting next to your 14 year old brother, brother like knock it off that's my brother sean you know so by isolating kids in the modern school system where you stick 2 000 kids who are 14 and at that age you're kind of an idiot you put 2 000 idiots together and like 20 teachers this is like a recipe for the destruction of a civilization which is what you're and we're now experiencing the aftermath of that type of school in the 1800s it wasn't that way interesting so 100 years later you got all these people mental problems anxieties at an all-time high people feel lost people are searching for meaning in weird things video games animate no offense to those things but I'm saying people you can't

search for meaning in those things you could play video games you could enjoy anime but there's literally people like finding their meaning in like cosplay i'm like bro what the that is weird cosplay there's so vegas i have a friend he was dating this cosplay girl. She came with us. I'm like, do you think you're that character? I was like, woo-hoo. Whoa, we're right here. You're not some anime samurai girl or something. They get deep into it, man. Oh, God.

But you've worn a lot of hats. I mean, you grew up on a trailer bar, lived with the Amish. Now you're living a lavish lifestyle. Where were you the happiest in all of that? Probably 2013. The best place to be for a man, I can't speak to the experience of women because I'm not a woman,

but the best place to be as a man is you've achieved decent success. People see you as an up-and-comer, but you haven't hit the top because like Shakespeare said, heavy hangs the head that wears the crown at the top. The top is actually the worst place. Donald Trump got to the top most powerful man in the human history. He controlled

the U S military. You're the most powerful man ever to live. You can basically wipe everything off, whatever 71 indictments, people come for you at the top. So like I was never as famous as Donald Trump, but in the world I was was in there was a month or two i was the most googled dude in america or the world that's not a great place to be so andrew tate experienced that all these people experience in heavy in the 1500s shakespeare said heavy hangs the head that wears the crown so your happiest as a dude is you don't yet you're a prince but not a king that's where you want to be if you can stay at that prince level because you also gold diggers the crown. So your happiest as a dude is you don't yet have, you're a prince, but not a king. That's where you want to be. If you can stay at that prince level, cause you also gold diggers kind of stay away from you because like your net worth is like one to 5 million.

I used to try to keep my, you want, if you do SEO guys, stick your net worth permanently at 5 mil. It's enough that you're like a prince. People know you're on the rise, but it's not enough that, you know, a girl's going to try to get pregnant and make 100 mil off you. So kind of low key, but also successful at the same time. Yeah, you're a prince and you're maybe a king, but you don't want to be an emperor. Right. Napoleon Bonaparte was an emperor. He got ended up dying on an island, Mount St. Helena off Africa alone.

He got exiled. So it's like Donald Trump is like in that emperor level so 2013 i was like probably making i was probably low seven figure business making all the money i had a cool house in hollywood it wasn't a crazy mansion but it was like i don't know 6 000 square foot place i was throwing house parties you know That's a good place. But I didn't have many employees. I had like eight. They used to work at a two-floor house. They'd come and show up there, low-key.

You don't have to worry about weird s***. The second you come up to that king level, I remember I moved to Beverly Hills. Now you're not making seven figures. You're doing eight figures now. And I had this maid agency. I was trying to find a good maid. I remember a woman worked for me one day and she tried to sue she said she slipped on a banana peel like a cartoon she wrote a written complaint like a lawsuit i was at tithe house and i was leaving and there was banana peel and i fell so that

second you're a king you get the banana peel lawsuit right then you go to emperor and it's like donald trump it's like people try to take you down for you need mark zuckerberg it's public record last year spent 31 million dollars on family and personal security oh my god what kind of threats do you have against you if you're dropping two and a half what do you do with two and a half million a month so he's an emperor heavy hair heavy hangs the head that wears that crown so guy i meet a lot of dudes are like i'm gonna become a billionaire i'm like why you got it all right now man you're making 100 g's net a month or 200 like stay yeah doesn't get better it's kind of like dude i you ever seen a dude who like lifts weights? He's a nerd.

Women don't like him. He lifts weights. He gets some muscle. He gets compliments from women. Then he goes, well, I might as well put synthol and steroids and get this big. But then women don't like him again. That's called the efficient frontier. The optimal.

You want to be the optimal point of wealth. Or biceps. You have no biceps, less attractive attractive you get some biceps optimal point then you get put synthol oil and you get these weird or steroids you go over and now you become unattractive no money life sucks you're becoming a prince you're making 50 g's a month net 100 g's whatever prince optimal then you're like dude if this life's good if i double everything i'll be twice as happy but no you go off the curve you fall off the cliff comes at a cost yeah it's like mark zuckerberg like dude no dude on the top i there's not a guy on the forbes

list i've ever met that i would trade for ever really buffett never just sit at home and trade stocks buffett had to live a very cautious life he says he doesn't like to piss people off so yeah i'm not excited but even he's like i got all this money but it's basically worth it it's like what is he going to spend it on he's old now yeah that was a bad bad example yeah who is somebody let's take a real one you wouldn't do uh no elon's got so much pressure um Um, I don't think Elon would do Elon. I saw an interview, saw an interview where somebody goes like a year ago,

they go, God, all this money, you're going to do anti-aging. Yeah. And he goes, no, I think when death comes,

I will welcome it. That doesn't sound like a dude that I want to trade. Anybody who's like, I'm ready to die. Yeah. So I, I wouldn't know. Elon sounds like,

I got to wrap up. What about Bezos? Definitely not. No. Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been a cool dude to be. I would have been good one. so I wouldn't want Elon sounds like a nightmare what about Bezos? definitely not Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been a cool dude to be you got the looks and the money and the fame I'm in business with Patrick his son

his kids love him some dudes become rich and your kids won't talk to you anymore that's a failure I don't want that Patrick Schwarzenegger he has a ton of friends I used to go when I lived in LA he has a uh every year on his birthday in July he's got all these buddies real friends you can tell dudes that were that's rare yeah friends before he was famous super famous that's nice he smokes cigars he got health he's worth about 500 million he was at one point the most famous person in the world he was a better governor president of

california than the current one definitely so it's a whole nother podcast yeah that's another one we'll have to come back to the yeah but dude it's been fun anything you want to close off with or promote oh promote i'm supposed to sell something i got a new quiz on tylovers.com. You go there. Homepage. It's not even out. But by the time you... How long until this goes out? Two months. Oh, two months.

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can pick the correct course or i'll give you like the best books on it for free so it's not just about selling you nice i shouldn't be doing this the school system put hundreds of millions you know last stat that's wacky yeah what do you think the world spends the most on? The world? So not just the U.S.? Not just the U.S. What's something big? Is it health?

Smart guy. $9 trillion on health. Wow. What's next? Education. Did you hear me say this? You're kidding, right? No, I didn't.

I thought you would say, what do you think is higher, military or education? Well, now that you asked, military. You had it right the first time. Ah, you made me second guess it. It's $9 trillion on health care, which is probably a bad thing because people have some shitty food. $5 trillion on global education, counting tax dollars and private money. And only $2 trillion. America spends half of it.

We spend about $800 billion to a trill. But the point is, where the f*** is that 5 trillion going? Because I don't know about you, but I hire people. I did a search for an intern thing. 17,000 people applied. All I want to say is get your money back.

You've been through school. Get that refund. So anyway, when you go to tylovers.com, take that quiz. I'll give you something that they should have taught you. Let go take that quiz guys thanks for watching see you next time peace