Digital Social Hour - The $10M Secret to Winning in Sports & Spirits | Gavin Maloof DSH #928

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Discover the $10M secret to success in sports and spirits with former NBA team owner and tequila entrepreneur Gavin Malouf! 🏀 From becoming the youngest owner in professional sports history to winning an NHL championship with the Vegas Golden Knights, Gavin shares incredible behind-the-scenes stories of his 44-year journey to victory. 🏆 Get an exclusive taste of the premium tequila business as Gavin reveals how his family's century-long legacy in beverages led to creating an award-winning spirit. Learn fascinating insights about NBA talent scouting, the truth about small market teams, and what it really takes to build a championship franchise. You'll hear untold stories about Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and how Gavin once got kicked out of his own team's celebration! Plus, discover why Las Vegas became the perfect home for professional hockey and the emerging world of professional paddle ball. Whether you're interested in sports business, premium spirits, or the journey to championship success, this conversation delivers game-changing insights from someone who's mastered both worlds. 🥃 Watch now for an unforgettable blend of sports history, business wisdom, and championship-winning strategies that took four decades to perfect! 🏆 #collegeconversationswithdr.janicefedor #whatissportsmanagement #sportsmanagement #sportsmanagementmajor #sportsindustry CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:31 - Comisario Tequila 03:59 - Coors Distributing Company 09:18 - Houston Rockets 12:31 - Vegas Golden Knights 15:41 - Stanley Cup Victory 17:20 - Passing on Steph Curry 21:42 - Paddleball Sport 24:32 - Next Big Sport Trends 26:10 - Patrick Mahomes 26:38 - Las Vegas Raiders 27:55 - Ice Hockey Insights 29:40 - Olympics Overview 31:14 - Sports Injuries Discussion 34:15 - Where to Find Gavin 34:49 - Thanks for Watching APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Gavin Maloof https://www.instagram.com/jetlaggedblogger LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with iGaming Ontario. Basketball's big worldwide, you know, it's really incredibly big. And you can find a gem over there. Just a lot of scouting. Yeah. And it's like you say analytics, but you really have to rely on the general manager, the person that's picking the talent. That's how your franchise is going to win or lose. It's him, the person picking the talent.

All right, guys, Gavin Maloof here. We're gonna start off with a shot. Let's do it. All right. Call me Sario. Tequila brand you just invested in, right? Yes, absolutely. Thank you.

Wow, I'm excited. You said it's better than 42. Let's see. Well, we've won close to 50 awards, gold, silver, double gold, platinum. Our reposado actually just won a platinum award. It's never been awarded. That's bested show.

And it's never had, that means that our reposado is like the number one in the world. Yeah. Wow. Cheers to that, man. Let's do it. Oh my gosh. That was the smoothest shot I've ever had. Cheers to that, man. Let's do it. Oh my gosh. That was the smoothest shot I've ever had.

Well done, man. Well done. It's really an incredible product. You'll notice how smooth it is, and even though we have the Blanco, the Reposado, this is the Anejo. It's aged two years in oak casks. And then we have the Extra Anejo, which is aged seven years. That's really incredible. Wow. I mean that for two years was incredible. It barely even tastes like like alcohol. I mean, yeah. And you know, it's just from the

distilled in the highlands of Jalisco and if there was a designation for organic in Mexico we would be organic. Really? Yeah. Oh so Mexico doesn't have organic products? They don't have they don't they don't have a designation organic. Wow. They don't have that title. I didn't know that so that's a US thing then. Yes, US but if they did have one we would be organic. Nice. Because it's it's just pure tequila. We we actually have a warm heart of the agave plants, eight heart of the agave plants per bottle. And some of the competition like Casamigos and Patron use like two or three hearts of the agave plant. So it's all, it's pure.

There's no additives, no preservatives. It's just pure tequila. Incredible. When did this launch? We launched about six years ago. I mean, it's a relatively new brand. We haven't been around that long. That's why we're trying to do these podcasts. And obviously you're a great show.

We appreciate you putting me on. And we really want to get the word out because we say it's the best tequila No one's ever heard of but here in Las Vegas. We have a really huge footprint with Bellagio We're in just about every account in Bellagio. We're in Aria some accounts in Aria Fountain blue nice So Peter Lugers, we have a drink that's in Caesars. That's a very iconic, you know Peter Lugers that- I've heard of it.

Yeah, I haven't been there yet. New York, and it's very iconic. It's at Caesars, it does incredible. We have a black cherry margarita that will change your life. That sounds really good. I mean, it is my all time favorite drink that I've ever had. And they sell like 10 to 15 cases a month.

Holy crap. With one drink. Just at Peter Lugar's? Yes. Wow. I got to check that out. Are you guys in the Vegas Golden Knights stadium? We're getting there.

We're trying to work a deal with T-Mobile. And like I said, we're just kind of new on the scene. But we're getting into a lot of iconic, we're with Wolfgang Puck, we're in Spago, at Bellagio, so we're iconic places and restaurants. It's just really exploded, to be honest. And your family's been involved in the liquor space for quite some time, right?

Getting involved with Coors in 1937? Yes, even probably, yeah, I guess it was in 37, yeah, maybe 100 years. Almost 100 years. Yeah, we were, actually my family was, we're from New Mexico, I was born in Albuquerque, my grandfather started Coors, and we were one of the nine states,

there was nine and a half states, half of Texas, original distributors for Coors. So we're Coors distributors 75 years. Wow. And we were also in the liquor business. We sold Jack Daniels, Bacardi, Robert Mondavi, Gallo. So I have an extensive, I grew up in the liquor business. In the beer business, that's what I've done my whole life.

Yeah, and that industry, how's it doing lately? Because there is a movement towards sobriety with people my age. Is it? I saw hard seltzer sales were down quite a bit actually. Really? Well we... Bet MGM, authorized gaming partner of the NBA

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to you, please go to ConnixOntario.ca. You know, we don't want people to over indulge, drink responsible. And we never promote doing shots, 10 million shots or anything like that. We don't promote that. This is actually a, you can shoot this like we did, but it's a sipping tequila.

So it's great on the rocks. Like we say in the liquor business, Sean, we don't care how you drink it just drink it yeah yeah I was never patient enough for the sipping okay well then you could shoot it yeah I remember once I went to an event and what's that big brand that does the sipping shots do you know the name the fireball no it's like a really expensive alcohol. I'm blanking on the name, but... Oh, Jägermeister? Something like that. And they were basically like pouring shots for everyone. Yes. And I just downed mine, but you were supposed to sip it apparently for the whole night. Well,

I'll tell you one thing, being in the liquor business all my life, like I've been in, my family's been in, there's no right or wrong way to drink alcohol or to enjoy alcohol, just however you like it. There's no right or wrong way. That's what we say. Oh, it's Louis XIII. Oh, Louis XIII. Okay, watch this.

So I had Louis XIII at my house. I've never opened the bottle. And then I had our extra Naho, which we should bring him a bottle. We might. That's a seven year one. Seven year old. It'll change your life. So I did a taste test with my girlfriend and I, we did a taste test with Louie the 13th versus our extra nail the seven year. I gotta tell you, I couldn't even drink the Louie. Whoa.

Are you serious? Yeah, it was harsh. It was that different? But ours is so smooth and so great that the extra, it's styled after a lot of the great cognacs and brandies. See, Brown Spirits worldwide is like the number one liquor in the world is Johnny Walker. That's the number one liquor in the entire world.

Not maybe the United States. In terms of sales by like dollar amount? Sales, I would say sales at maybe dollar wise as well, because it's an expensive item. So Luis Cota, one of our founders, and then Steve Rice is our main owner, but he styled this after all the great cognacs and brandies. That's why you see the color of it,

that the Anejo and then the extra Anejo, and then our Reposado as well. And that's kind of how he styled this tequila. So sometimes you try it, it tastes like tequila, but it's something like when people try it they go wow. Yeah, that didn't taste like any liquor to me man. I'm very impressed. Impressive isn't it? I don't drink often because of the taste usually.

Yeah, you know Sean, I was never really a tequila drinker till I got involved. I got involved with Commissario probably two and a half years ago, two, three years ago, but I've always been, I always liked rum. I was like- You were a rum guy? Rum, yeah, I was a rum runner. Wow, those are a rare breed, man. Yeah, yeah, I like rum.

But I still like it, but now I find myself drinking these margaritas. Yeah. And even like Bellagio, we have the black cherry margarita at the sports book at Bellagio. And wow, is it good. I gotta try that out. Yeah. And then we also have, we're with Kroger now.

We're just kind of getting the ball rolling, but we're actually in 42 states, going in eight countries. We're going into Japan. We're going into Costco's in Japan. And- Costco, nice. Yes, yes. You know, it's all coming. This is like a big freight train crushing it Is this your main focus right now? It is it's it's my main focus Yes, and and we also have a brand that my family owns called drink aid and it's that's a hangover prevention

I've seen that Gift shots. Yeah, it's in grocery stores, right? Yeah, that. All the gift shots. Yeah, yeah. It's in grocery stores, right? Yes. I see it at the checkout. Yes. That's you? That's ours.

Wow. So that's like the hangover. Prevention. Oh, prevention. So you drink it before. You could drink it before, you can drink it during, you can drink it after.

But if you have a hard night, you should try a drink aid. You'll be fine in the morning. But we're in a lot of the gift shops a lot of the casino gift shops and nice still involved with professional sports, too Yeah, we we we Well, we've been in sports our whole life Yeah, we still know Houston Rockets and I was the youngest owner in the history of major professional sports. Wow.

24 years old. Holy crap. Yeah, when we owned the Rockets, we had Moses Malone, Calvin Murphy, Robert Reed, Rudy Tom Janovich. You know, that was our, when we went to the, watch this, we went to the, I was 24 years old. Unfortunately, my father passed away and I took over the team and Two freshly cracked eggs any way you like them three strips of naturally smoked bacon and a side of toast only six dollars at

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So we lost in the finals, but we had a losing record. We had a 40 and 42 record and went to the finals. Wow. I don't know if it's ever happened again. No, definitely not. Yeah, we had a losing record and so. So you were like an eight seed. Yes. Wow. So you beat the one seed in the first round and we beat the Lakers. Oh, is that with Magic Johnson? Yes. Wow. Yes. You know that. Yeah. Yeah, I know NBA. So, so watch this. So we, when we played the Lakers in 1980,

I hate to date myself, but I guess I will. 1980, so Magic is a great guy. We, back then it was a two out of three mini series. So we, we won one game at home, then we, we had two games in Los Angeles. had two games in Los Angeles and I was in the stands and we played the Magic so we were up by one point so Magic dribbles around and he's throws up a hook shot from like five feet and gets all air which probably never happened in his life yeah airball we win the we win game. We win the series so I run down the court and I'm 24 years old I might look a little younger than you I'm 27. So 27 you look like you're about 15. That's okay. It's good to look young Yeah, so I run down the court the security guard stops me says where you going?

Says well, I want to get back into the locker room. I want to congratulate my players She said well, you can't get back into the locker room. I want to congratulate my players. She said well you can't get back in there What do you mean? I can't said I it's my team. I want to go back and Congratulate my players. She says yeah, and I'm the president and she kicked me out of the building What we have because I I didn't think to have a Pass a security pass and what he called a media password a media pass, what do you call it? Oh, a media password? A media pass. I didn't think they had, you know,

I just went there by myself. What? And they didn't recognize you? No. Because I feel like if Mark Cuban was like, yeah, let me get in the locker room right now, they would let him by. They would let him by, yeah, they would.

But back then, it was a different story. So I got kicked out of the building. Wow, your own team. The whole team, yeah, because I looked like you, you know. So you couldn't even celebrate with the team. No, I couldn't. And then that was it. That's crazy. Wow. And you finally got your first championship a couple years ago with the Vegas Golden Knights, right? We did, yeah, with the Golden Knights. And we, so after the the Rockets we bought the Kings Sacramento Kings and then then the day we sold it We went to see Gary Bettman from the NHL the commissioner of the NHL and and we asked we knew that

MGM was building an arena here in Las Vegas and I said hey My brother Joe says why don't you ask? let's ask Gary Bettman if expansion team, we can put one in Las Vegas. So Joe and I, the day we sold the Kings, we went that same day, because it's just down the street, NHL and NBA down the street,

and we went and saw Gary and we asked him, we said, Gary, what about a team in Las Vegas? And he didn't say yes, but he didn't say no. And that was the key, because Gary's a straight shooter. So I knew we had a shot at it. So then we, Joe and I went and we met with some of the executives here at MGM. And also we met with Bill Hornbuckle and was all for it.

And next thing you know, we went and saw Bill Foley. He's a great guy. MGM and also we met with Bill Hornbuckle and was all for it and next thing you know, we went and saw Bill Foley. He's a great guy and One thing led to another Brought the team here. Here we are. It must have been a tough process moving cities, right? A lot of meetings and money Well there we didn't move because we were an expansion team So we did we didn't move from another city, but this was this was an expansion team so we didn't we didn't move from another city but this was this was an expansion team it actually took us four years Wow to bring the team here and we went back and forth to New York it seemed like I was going every other week possibly for four years that's where the NHL is New York yes that's the main office got it Joe and I would fly back and forth to

These but but remember one thing, you know, a lot of people didn't think the team would ever work here And I and I've always advocated Having a team in Las Vegas. I said well, why wouldn't a team work here? You know a lot of People said well, there's too much going on. There's all the shows and there's concerts. And then you have an arena, but we need the dates for concerts. And I said, well, you got 42, 41 home dates, and you have pre-season,

so you have a lot of dates to fill the arena. And I said, people are people. They want us, we wanted our own team. I've been here in Las Vegas for 35 years or so. And the only thing that was missing in this city was we didn't have our own team. It's like having a city without a soul. For real, sports are a big part of that feeling of a city.

Yes, yes, but nobody thought it would work because you know, the hockey in the desert, my wife, how does that work? It's too hot in Las Vegas. They said, well, you know, we happen to be in an arena, so it's going to be OK. The ice isn't going to melt. Yeah, that's a good point, though. I don't know any ice hockey rinks in Vegas.

It's probably not many of them. So that's kind of the objections that we had. Yeah. How good did that feel to win? Cause you were in professional sports for what? 30 years before that? Well, actually it took me 44 years to win this ring. 44 years. Yes. Wow.

Since the, since the Rockets, I was, 1978, with the Rockets, so whatever many years, I guess. 44 years. 44 years something like 44 some owners never get it right Never because when you're in a smaller market your odds are way less Yeah, that used to be a lot of the the that was part of the conversation was and I think Being in the NBA as long as I was it it was always, we wanted parity within the markets.

You know, you didn't want all the players going to the large markets and forgetting the small markets. So it was kind of, because we were in Sacramento, we were in a small market. So I think it's good, parity in the leagues, because you want where each team has a chance to win the title. If you're in a small market or big market, you don't want just the big markets winning all the time.

Right. You have to spread it around. I think it's good for sports. It's good for the teams. It's good for the morale of the city. It's good for the community. We were so proud to bring this team to the community. Absolutely.

Yeah. Because the NBA back in the day, it was always Chicago, New York, Miami, and LA. Yes. So do you think right now it's more even where smaller markets have the same opportunity? I think so. I think so. Yes, I believe it's they have just as much opportunities.

So a lot of it comes down to drafting. Depends on who you pick and where you pick. The Warriors did well with the drafting. Yes they did. They got Steph, Clay, Andre Mond, all from draft. Right, yeah. I hate to tell you but we could have had Steph Curry. What? You passed on Steph? Yeah but I didn't make the decision. Did you want him? We had Tyreek Evans. Okay. Remember Tyreek? I heard of him. I don't remember him playing. Well he was rookie of the year. Okay. Remember Tyreek? I heard of him, I don't remember him playing. Well, he was Rookie of the Year.

Okay. So the year, he was a 6'6 point guard. He got injured? He got injured, but he won the Rookie of the Year that year, but he was a great player, but he didn't have the shot that Steph had. So you picked him over Steph? Yeah.

So what pick did you have? What number was it? Six. And Steph was still there? Seven. He was, yeah, oh yeah, don't. Wow. Damn. Do you think about that?

Yeah, I think a little bit about it. But I wasn't really the one that made the final decision. How much say did you have in that draft process? Well, we learned long ago, actually we, we helped bring, helped promote the summer league here, the NBA summer league. And, we learned long ago when we would sit with our, our, uh, scouts that we didn't know much about basketball, even though I played a little bit, you know, I'm, I've played high school, not college,

but I played basketball a little bit. We've all played it, my brothers. But we say to one of the top scouts, one of our scouts, God, that guy can play in the NBA. He said, oh no, he's no good. He doesn't have a shot. And so as an owner, you don't want your player judgment so you you as an owner you don't want to

You don't want your your player judgment to Overshadow what what you're paying these scouts for that's why you have the scouts right? That's the way you get in trouble the owner knows too much. Yeah These days are so much analytics to they have it. They're probably using AI Honestly with certain teams to find players probably yeah. Yeah like a lot of analytics and teams to find players. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Like a lot of analytics and, but, you know, back then it was, you know, you

get in, get on the plane and you go to New Zealand, you look at a player there in some small town and you know, we, we had Pasha Stoyakovich and Vladi Divac Serbia, you know, you, you found, we, we had kind of an international team. We had Hito Turkalu from Turkey. You know, he was the first Turkish player. Well, and That seems to be the new kind of trend. I noticed with the top teams. They'll source from Europe Yes, get like one good player over there and no one's heard of them, but they end up being really good. Yeah, you know you Basketball is big worldwide, you know, it's it's Really incredibly big and you

can find a gem over there just a lot of scouting yeah and it's like you say analytics but you really have to rely on the general manager the person that's picking the talent that's how your franchise is gonna win or lose mm-hmm it's it's him the person picking the talent. Think about it. You can win through free agents, that's a good way to win, but really you want to build through the draft. You want a core of players that you build through the draft. That's the ideal way, but there's different ways to win. And that's too slow for most people, right? Because the fans are up there asking, so they're just like, we need to win this year, so let me trade for three old players.

Yeah. And in basketball, you'd never do this. You never trade one, three, two or three good players for a great player. You don't do that? No, no. Great is what you need. You need, you need an all-star, you need like maybe one or two all-stars on the team, and then maybe a great role player.

But you can't replace great. You could have two or three very good players, really good players, but they don't replace great. Because a person that's great is gonna make the people around them great. Interesting. But can you go from good to great just training over time, or no?

You can. I think some people that some players can Depends on how hard they work I mean, yeah They have that work ethic in them and if they they really take it they can make themselves better Mmm, and then you know brief on the contrary a great player that doesn't do anything will still have the talent But he he won't maximize his potential. That makes sense. Any sports you got your eye on now? Pickleball is pretty hot right now. Well, yeah, that you mentioned that, actually we're part owner of this team called the Las Vegas Smash, which is Paddleball.

Okay. Paddleball, which is on fire. Really? Paddleball is on fire? Yeah. I haven't seen it. We just had our owner Henry Strasser and we just had an event in Miami where we won the championship again or we won a tournament but we had 800,000 viewers on YouTube. What? For paddle ball? Yes. Holy crap. Yeah and I don't know if you've ever have you seen it. No, I don't even know how it's played. Well, I heard of it It's like tennis on steroids

it's played within three walls and It's like racquetball and tennis and it's very exciting. I mean the great athletes it's very popular in Argentina and Venezuela and Mexico and Europe. It's very popular and it's really a great sport. You should check it out sometime. I will, I will.

Maybe even play it if you like. I don't know if you're a tennis player. I used to play tennis. Oh, you did? Yeah. Cause a lot of tennis players going into paddle ball. Okay. There's paddle ball courts here that you might.

Really? I'll check it out. You'd paddle ball courts here that you might be. Really? I'll check it out. It'll be a great workout for you. Yeah, I'm super competitive. Yeah. You didn't play basketball? You're tall. I play basketball, yeah.

I got a game tonight, but I like being well-rounded because a lot of people put all their equity in one sport and then you see them play something else and they're just terrible. But I could play decent at everything. Well, if you played tennis, you can play this paddle ball and you hit it off the back wall because I played a lot of racquetball. Yeah, that's what I got. My shoulders are messed up, but I, um, but I played a lot of racquetball, but it's like racquetball where you hit the ball off the back

wall and, uh, and the service it's not small, you have long rallies hmm you should check it out take it off the side walls and yeah I'll be decent out of the thing I was a wall ball champ in elementary school oh really you ever play wall ball is that like a handball kind of you throw it at the wall and then if it hits your body you got to run to the wall and tag it and if someone throws the ball before you tag it you're out no you never played that oh man no I was a fun game you did you play kickball no I never played kick what would you play growing up football okay right right in like elementary you were playing football oh yeah that's a contact

sport yeah what's the little guys what what do they call them? I don't forget the name, but. Little League. Little League for football. Okay. You know, they had a name. I used to watch the Little League baseball thing every year. Oh, you did? On TV, yeah.

That was fun to watch. Yeah, I love sports, man. So you see that sport as like the next big thing, though? Yes, I do, yes. Because it's pickleball on steroids. But pickleball's, well, we say pickleball's a game, but paddleball's a sport. Okay.

I mean, it's competitive and some great athletes. Like I said, a lot of tennis players are playing it because once you're through with tennis, you can't play competitive tennis. What do you do to kind of stay in shape? And it's really a lot of fun. I'll check it out. Pickleball is fun to play, but watching it's not that interesting for some reason to me.

No, but it's really popular. I mean it blew up. But see, paddleball is huge worldwide. It's just now getting in the States, in the United States. And there's 10 teams and we have the Las Vegas Smash which we won the title. When we won the championship for the Knights, the next day we won the championship for the paddleboard. Oh wow, so now you're just racking in these trophies. Yeah, racking in the, let's go. That was the 44 years it only took me. Did you ever think that you'd just not win after 40 years?

Yes. That's a long time. Yes. I mean, that's double my age. That's crazy. Yes, and you know, Sean, what's crazy is it's it's so difficult to win a championship. I mean, it's Literally impossible. I mean almost impossible because you're facing the best people in the world best people in the world You got 31 other teams to compete against

Everything has to go right. You know, you have to. It's no injuries. No injuries. Yeah. I noticed the teams I got injured in the playoffs. They'll lose even though they're better. Yes. It comes down to that. Right. Did you have the chiefs? Did you like the chiefs for the super bowl or did you? Ah, I had the chiefs. I didn't bet on it, but yeah, it's hard to bet against my homes, man. Yeah. Like he's got three already at his age. He might, he might pass Brady if he wins a couple more. Yeah, which I never thought Brady would be passed this this soon At least yes

He's he's something else Mahomes. He's he's how do you beat him and even the Niners look great last night Yeah, they look great too. But yeah, there's a lot of good teams. How are you feeling about our team this year? Well, I hope we do we hope we do better. I mean we had a tough game buddy I like the coach. Yeah, and then Mark's a great friend of mine. So I love Mark and you'll get it going It just it's just footballs who ruthless the turnovers for coaches in the NFL Must be the highest in any league right? Yeah, it's like every year. There's like five or ten of them getting fired Yes, because it's seems like every year there's like five or 10 of them getting fired. Yes, because it's like you said, the fans, they want to win now.

You don't blame them. But you have to, like I said, they got him in the draft, Mahomes. No one ever thought he would. Wow, they got Mahomes? Yeah. I mean, the Chiefs that they drafted him, right? I don't know. Yeah, they drafted my home self from Texas Tech.

So I mean, who would have thought he would be what he is? Yeah. He's fantastic. There's some good quarterbacks coming up. I think this Caleb Williams, he looks pretty good. He looks good, yeah. But he's still a rookie, you know, he kind of tempered a little bit takes a while

Takes a while to get acclimated even like I was telling my friends the other night with Aaron Rodgers good good guy, but it's gonna take him a little while too, you know these played really good for a few minutes, but it's Takes time. Yeah, I'm a hopeful Jets and Giants fan. Oh, you are? I grew up in Jersey, so. Oh, you did.

Yeah, I tried to root for the local teams because Jersey didn't have a football team. And we lost the Nets, so they went to Brooklyn. Yes. So we didn't really. I don't think Jersey has any. Oh, Devils. The Devils.

Devils, but that's it. Well, they won a lot of titles back when. Devils, yeah. I caught the tail end of that. Oh, yeah. I think I might have remembered one with Martin Brodeur as goalie yeah he was beast yeah yeah hockey's fun to watch in person yes yeah yeah you know the knock on hockey has always been it's not a TV sport because it's hard to see the puck mm-hmm that was the knock on it but I think

now with with the NHL going to the ESPN and TNT and all these major sports networks, it's really helped ratings. It's helped viewership Yeah, and now people are starting to understand the game more That's the was the knock you couldn't see the puck. Yeah, how's hockey doing? Like viewership wise great doing good Because it's probably I'd assume basketball and football are like the top two and then yes Is baseball ahead of hockey? Yes, so baseball and then hockey's fourth Nice, and is it big in other countries? hockey yeah, yeah, you know like in Finland and Russia and and some of the eastern countries here obviously of

and and some of the eastern countries here obviously of Canada the national sport of Canada was it in the World Cup or the Olympics that just happened hockey no because now because this was the Summer Olympics oh summer okay yeah in the winter that was that was the that's the Winter Olympics it is yeah and how does the US do normally in that they do well? Yeah, the US does well. Okay. Yeah Yeah, we barely won the summer Olympics this year. Yeah, we tied in medals with China. Yeah, China's catching up man I only got some athletes over there. They just have sheer numbers You know what I mean? They got so many damn people. I think that makes up for the athleticism sooner or later I gotta have someone someone's gonna pop out do something great

Yeah, and they're genetically, you know programming some of those kids. Yeah Yeah, they have like some seven foot female basketball player. I keep seeing oh, yeah. I saw that Wow. Yeah, Yao Ming was apparently a Program to yeah, and then we played against the out. Yeah me. Oh, oh, yeah, how was that? He probably went off, right? Yeah Yeah, he did he couldn't stay healthy though, man When you're that tall you just get injured your feet a lot of times they get that plantar fasciitis Their feet are they break bones in their feet? Yeah, you see it with Chris Stout's for zingas. He keeps getting injured and Wembe's been staying healthy, but yeah, it seems like if you're like seven feet You just get like his eye on Williamson keeps getting injured, too

Yeah, it's just too much weight on your feet. Yeah, it's a tough sport man basketball Oh god, what percentage of your roster would get injured on a yearly basis all of them really? Probably at one point or another Wow, they'd have you know, some kind of some form of injury. That's crazy Yeah, you'd have a lot of ankles, you know, a lot of ankles, knees sometimes, but foot, a lot of foot injuries. Yeah. And not too many shoulder,

I don't think too many shoulder injuries. Yeah, mainly lower body, right? Lower body. Yeah, what about hockey? How common are injuries in hockey? Yeah, I don't know, yeah, shoulders, shoulders, hip flexors. So that's more upper body injuries hockey? Yeah, then you get some ankle, but some knees, but upper body because

you're using your shoulders. They take some nasty hits in hockey. Oh my gosh. Holy crap. Yeah. I know I just had a shoulder, well, I'm getting a shoulder replacement on this, but I had this one. Damn, from your football days you're still? Well no, I think it was from racquetball. Oh, racquetball. I don't know, I mean, I used to play hours and hours of racquetball. Damn.

I mean, I was, that was my best sport. Racquetball. I'm not big or anything but I played football, I played college football, small college, but I love racquetball we used to play hours and hours I got to check that sport out too yeah you like the racket sports huh I did and my my sister played professional not professionals of college tennis Mexico okay she had a scholarship so my brother Joe plays

tennis Wow yeah so he's you know we like tennis they've done longevity studies on every sport and racket sports athletes live the longest. Oh, is that right? Yeah. It's something to do with the brain and body connection or something. Well, here's what I don't understand

because I don't know how these pro tennis players, how their shoulders, how they hold up. It's insane. A five set match for three hours and then they played in two days after that. Another five set match. And their legs too. I mean, I guess it's youth, I guess, but.

They must have some crazy recovery protocol, but even Djokovic is pushing 40 now, right? And he's still playing at a very high level. It's amazing. They're just their bodies. Everyone's body is different for a different sport. Yeah, I mean, LeBron's still top five in the league at 40. That's crazy Right. He was playing while you were at the Kings probably no

He played his first game was against the key us. Oh, yeah, his very first professional game Wow, was there a lot of hype for that game? There was a lot of hype. Yeah, and We beat him that game Cleveland, but You could just tell he was he was different yeah yeah and Kobe you know I'm very close to Kobe even though he killed us a couple times yeah you guys in the West had a tough I always thought the West was way better than the East yeah you guys had to go through Kobe you had to go through LeBron or LeBron's in the East the Spurs Spurs yeah they always

always they had a dynasty yeah Duncan Yeah. They had like five championships in 20 years. Yeah. That's crazy. They might be good again with this Wemby I guess. Yeah if they could develop him and add on one or two more pieces. Yeah. He's good too. Do you still root for the Kings? Yes. Oh yeah. That's your team? Oh yeah. Yeah. They're looking decent. They're looking decent with Fox. Pretty good. Good team. Yeah, I think they need one or two more pieces.

Yeah. I think the coach is pretty good. I love the coach. He's been to the championship. He's won it, right? Yeah. That's important, man. Gavin, it's been awesome.

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