Digital Social Hour - The $32K Tax Credit Your CPA Didn’t Tell You About! | Christopher Gitre DSH #580

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

🌟 Discover the $32K Tax Credit Your CPA Didn’t Tell You About! 🌟 This episode of Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly is packed with valuable insights you won't want to miss! 💡💰   Join us as we dive into an explosive conversation with Chris Gitre, uncovering the secrets behind the Self-Employment Tax Credit (SCTC) and how you could claim up to $32,000! 😱 Learn why most CPAs missed this incredible opportunity and how you can take action NOW. 🚀   But that's not all! Chris shares his wild journey from poker tables to becoming a successful entrepreneur, the challenges of finding a trustworthy CTO, and the controversial world of telemarketing lawsuits. Whether you're curious about the tax credits you deserve or just love a good underdog story, this episode has it all! 🎉   Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Don't miss out – tune in now and join the conversation. Let's get you informed and empowered! 💪   #TaxSavings #DigitalSocialHour #TaxCreditGuide #TaxCreditCpa #HowToClaimCredit   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:41 - Chris Gitre on Winning My Poker Tournament 03:51 - How Chris Started Relief Consultants 08:35 - ERC and SCTC Tax Credits 11:26 - How to Find a Good CTO 14:04 - Important Hires to Scale Your Business 16:36 - No Days Off for an Entrepreneur 17:12 - The First $100k 19:35 - Working With Your Significant Other 21:08 - Drawing From Your Lowest Point 23:59 - Your Goals & Missions 25:34 - How to Stop Spam Calls 27:41 - Is It Ethical to Sue for Spam Calls 29:50 - What's Next for ETS   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Christopher Gitre  https://www.instagram.com/chris_im_a_viking https://www.thereliefconsultants.com/   SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

to employ, you can take sick leave, you call in sick. But for the IRS program with the SCTC, for the first time, the IRS is saying, well, if you're self-employed, we're going to give you those same rights. So you can call in sick with us. And so now what we're doing is we're encouraging all of our clients to get every day that they were affected by COVID, get that information to us, and we will get your tax credit up to $32,000. That's huge. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe. It helps a lot with the algorithm. It helps us get bigger and better guests and it helps us grow the team. Truly means a lot. Thank

you guys for supporting and here's the episode. All right, guys, we got Chris G. Trey on today, previous winner of my poker tournament. Thanks for coming on, man. Absolute pleasure. I didn't know you could play like that. I mean, practicing, actually, you know, sometimes, you know, you make a decision to be a professional poker player. Now, not everyone can do it, right? Yeah. But I tried it out.

So when I was at your tournament, I used those skills, you know. Nice. Yeah. So you wanted to be pro growing up? Well, you know, like, we used to go out to the casino when we were 18 you know drive out there down in southern california yeah and so i always took like 11 11 to poker and then you get the chance you get a little bit of a bankroll this is before i started my business you know it's like you go out there and uh you try it out you

study online you look at all the hand histories and find out how you can be better than you go play every day. And honestly, that really helped me. When you play poker kind of for the first time in a serious aspect, you start realize that money, you know, $1,000 isn't very much money. $10,000 in the scheme of things is not very much money. And there's people above my level that think, oh, a million dollars isn't very much money. Right. And, you know, so when you play poker and you're having $1,000 pots, $5,000 pots, when you start to grow,

you start, and that money swings back and forth between players at the tables, you start to realize that, you know, this isn't really that big a deal,

this money. And then you can use it to your advantage because you no longer have this, you know, kind of attachment to it, this necessity

of needing it, you know, sort of thing. Interesting. Yeah, you've probably played in some huge hands. Yeah, yeah. You know, the biggest hand I ever played, my favorite thing about playing poker

was playing the World Series of Poker. Yeah. So when you get out there and you're, you sit next to the top guys like Chance Cornuth and Jungle Man, Dan Cates, you actually can go play with those guys by playing the World Series of Poker. And that's like, that was so freaking exciting. exciting yeah you beat dan in my game too yeah you beat

a good field man there was cord garcia was there right there was a couple pros there that have world series bracelets that you beat yeah you know you know broken clock right twice the humbleness i love it dude poker is also great for networking oh you know it's it's actually interesting because some of my two of my key top employees you know sometimes i go to the red rock you know that's where dana white goes and elk boys and all that yeah it's a great casino and sometimes you know i go there and you know some of my um my partners in my business say well we want you to stay home don't go to the casino we're going to go once in a while but i got to kind of get back at them because i met a key uh figure in my business guy named billy at the red rock i met him playing

high stakes poker wow and he ended up bringing on some of my best employees through introductions dance yeah so then at that you know at the meetings you can tell your partner to say you know because you know there's there's some you know really wealthy people there right yeah as long as you're balancing it right if you're not betting your whole bank account on it then why not go for like a weekend once a month and just network and stuff have fun yeah exactly absolutely i want to dive into the relief consultants why you started it and how you've scaled it to this level man because you're killing it yeah man so the relief consultants is interesting because you know personally as an entrepreneur i was a little down and out before i started the company you know this was actually the beginning of COVID.

So it was like March, April 2020. And I actually, interestingly enough, had secured money, I guess, investment from an investor for this idea actually involving poker. So we were going to launch this new company. But that's when COVID hit and the World Series of Poker got canceled that year. So I was sitting there and I was like, well, I had this investment secured and the investor called me and said, hey, I got to hold off because of the market conditions, which was a big blow, you know? And so I, you know, really, you know, you sit in there after that point, you're like, what am I going to do? Because I had just worked so hard to get this. And then you come up with an idea, right?

And so during COVID, they came out with all the stimulus programs. And when I first looked at it, there's this guy on YouTube, Meet Kevin. Yeah, great, fun personality. He's a financier. I used to watch his stock videos. Yeah, yeah. So on YouTube, you see him on there,

and he's talking about every single stimulus program out there online. And this is, you know, during the start of the pandemic. And at that point point it's like, well, everyone's not going to get what they should get. There's so many programs out there and people are not going to know what they should get, how much. So we started the relief consultants and our job was to basically, we became experts in the stimulus package, the CARES Act. We ran down every single line of that bill. And then we were able to help out Americans with getting what they deserve during COVID. And we've transitioned, you know, obviously COVID's over, right? So now our main focus is helping Americans get money that they deserve. Nice. Yeah. People don't even know about these programs, man. You'd be surprised.

There is a program out there called the SCTC actually that really 5% of people that could get it got it. Wow. And this is like $32,000 if you're self-employed. Yeah. So this is a program that if your CPA did it right, they should have claimed it on your 2020 and 21 taxes. But no one really did it. And we don't know why we can only kind of attribute it to the CPA issue where a lot of these CPAs have so many clients that they can't really focus individually. And they're older school too. A lot of them aren't on top of the trends and stuff. So when there's kind of new money out there,

they don't get it for their clients. Dude, I had a bag mind to file it. He didn't even know about it and he's got hundreds of clients. How'd that go? Like I had to use a new account to be honest, cause he just didn't know how to do it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So at this point we're here to pick up all the slack of all the accountants. So today we've done about $80 million in submissions for our clients. Yeah. So it's always great to get money back for someone.

And when you have a program that's so clearly designed for self-employed individuals who had to deal with COVID during the pandemic, they got sick. If their kids' schools got shut down, then at that point they couldn't work, right? So the IRS is actually willing to pay those people money every single day they couldn't work. And that's this program. So typically if you're like a W-2 employee, you can take sick leave, you call in sick. But for the IRS program with the SCTC, for the first time, the IRS is saying, well, if you're self-employed, we're going to give you those same rights. So you can call in sick with us. And so now what we're doing is we're encouraging all of our clients to get every day that they were affected by COVID, get that information to us, and we will get your tax credit up to $32,000. That's huge. And before that, you were doing ERC, right? Yeah. ERC, big program, controversial program. Very.

And although it's a very real credit. And so there are a lot of businesses who qualify for that credit. That same situation had no freaking idea. So many, dude. Yeah. And it kind of makes you wonder, like, where were the CPAs? Because this was a program that's been out for, you know, the ERC and the CTC have been out for four years. Yeah. But you see many, many people not getting it until now. Yeah.

It's an antiquated system. I think they need to figure out a way to integrate all the accountants and just have a blast, like an email blast or something. It's from the government. The government's responsibility, I think, is also to tell the citizens about the programs. Yeah. You know, what's interesting is remember that CARES Act, remember that $600 stimulus check? Yeah. You heard about it all the time. It's actually because the treasury department was required to run a massive media campaign about that. Wow. That was in the bill. It was a law. I didn't know that. But they weren't required to do that for the other programs. Weird, right? So it's like,

well, government, if you're going to give money out and you're going to help the American citizens, why don't just actually run some ad campaigns about that so we can all be informed? But they don't do that. And so that's why we're here, the relief consultants. Yeah. And there was a lot of fraud in the ERC space too. There was. And honestly, I go back to when you have a program that's actually they allocated $80 billion for the ERC, but they ended up paying out 500 billion. Holy crap.

Right. So what happened there? Little 7X. That's crazy. $500 billion. They're just printing money, man. And I feel like there'll always be a new like thing, like whether it's a loan or a program. So your company can pivot and keep scaling.

That's the great thing is every single year there's new programs out there. There's new grants. And so what we do is we basically gather all of that information and blast it out to our clients on a monthly basis so they can be informed. And they can tell their friends, like, hey, there's new credit out there. There's a new grant. And that's the good part is you get to tell other people about it and help your neighbors and community. Yeah, because now I'm finding out even SBA loans, the interest is super low. You could get a million

dollars. Yeah. SBA loans are the best type of loan. Absolutely. Yeah. Because you got, what, 30 years to pay those off? Something crazy? You got a decent interest rate and a long time. Yeah. Right. Just like you said. And there's so many other options out there. These MCA loans, they may be helpful for some businesses, but they're going to charge 40% plus. I took one once from shopify it was terrible and you had to pay it back every time you did a transaction yeah shopify and paypal those are probably two of the biggest mca ones are it yeah and it's a big cost for businesses you know so 30 because you're looking to try to get 10 on your loan now of

course the mca is a fixed cost, but you always hate to see businesses struggle because they take poor terms for their loans. And so that's what we're here to do. That's why we're here. We basically help people get that money. They don't have to even pay back. Absolutely. You've had an interesting journey finding a CTO. I'd love to dive into that. Yes. I mean, you were in the crypto space with Chibi Dinos. Yeah. So I was also creating a platform to help influencers raise money. We called it Creatorverse. And we had a really strong idea. We had some interest from backing from venture capitalists.

And it came time to bring on the CTO. We actually brought on two. And we paid them very well, like over five figures a month for a salary. But they could also take time off whenever they wanted, you know, full-time PTO, all that. And it turns out, after six months of paying, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars invested later, the guys didn't really even know how to code. What? And they delivered nothing. They didn't know how to code?

They didn't do anything. And basically, our suspicion is that they couldn't because they didn't know how to. They basically didn't do anything. Wow. Wow. How'd you find them? So, you know, one, I just, you know, use Google and I found the top searching LinkedIn page. And I thought, you know, this guy might be, he knows what he's doing. He's got SEO on his LinkedIn and no, no, bueno.

Wow. What a scam. That is crazy. Yeah. Making a fake LinkedIn and then charging 10 K a month for coding. Yep. And we knew he was doing with like four or five other companies. No way. At the same time. Damn. crazy yeah making a fake linkedin and then charging 10k a month for coding yep and we knew he was doing with like four or five other companies no way same time damn so did you get that money back eventually oh no he's just gone he he put everything in writing that um you know

he's gonna pay us back blah blah blah but at the end of the day you know it's tough to prove those things in court and we know that the court process takes years yeah you probably spend 100k even fighting it in court yeah on legal yeah and the guy you know that kind of guy you can probably think he probably doesn't have much money anymore if he's scamming like that because everyone needed a cto during crypto run right yeah and so it's tough to kind of know who's good if you don't know how to if you're a ceo if you're an entrepreneur you're trying to make something new and you're not tech savvy there's really kind of very few ways to know unless you kind of have that network of developers who can like run a test on them. But there's no way to know if the CTO is going to be good or developer

knows what they're doing. Right. And it's a very complex skill. It is. So did you end up finding a good one after that? Yeah, that's, that's the good part is we actually went out, reached out about the story. And because of that, they're a different developer wanted to work with us. They had heard what happened. And that was about two and a half years ago. And this guy's with me to this day. Wow.

And if you ever meet Travis, he's incredible, works with David Schenkel, who is just crushing it on the marketing side. Yep. And you'll know that this guy, Travis,

is really good. If you have anything tech-related you need, you can just holler our way this guy travis is really good if you anything tech related you need you can just holler our way beast it's always good to have a techie on standby so many fuck ups with websites and whatever you know absolutely yeah that's an important hire what other hires you say were really important for you to scale this thing man it's all about the consultants for my business so we help our clients get that money back and we give that personal touch so every single client of ours has a direct one-to-one consultant that's assigned to their case. And, you know, when you have people that are, their whole life is revolved on getting others

money, they care and they have to care if they don't care about it. And it's not something that's exciting for them, then it's not going to work out as a consultant for our business. And so, you know, you, when you hire a lot of people once in a while, you a really strong consultant a really strong person in general when you hire i think the whole hiring process is extremely difficult it is dude it's not easy you've gone through a lot of people yeah because it's just hard to align i think when like you and i are so mission driven and it's hard to find people like that what do you what do you do to kind of get your guys aligned with your strategies bonuses i noticed because if you just give a salary, I mean, they're going to do the minimal work. So if you give them incentives, you know what I mean?

Like if you do this, I'll give you like an extra 20% or take you out to a nice dinner, whatever it is, whatever level you're at. That helps a lot, I noticed. Yeah. Yeah, I think the incentive-based life is one we all want to live because then you actually can care about your day-to-day life. So I've always been shied away from the W-2 job without any promise of equity or something like that, even just straight W-2. Same. It wouldn't be fulfilling. It's hard to, you know, what's your goals there?

I mean, you know, climb the corporate ladder. I mean, that sounds like no fun. Yeah, that's a different era. Yeah. That's our, that's a different era, man. That's, that's like our grandparents did that stuff. They stayed at the same company for like their whole life.

But now it's like new company. Yeah. A few years. You got like one set of people who just jumped jobs like two years, every two years, tech company to tech company. It seems right. And then you have another set of people like who are entrepreneurs.

You just want to be, you know, entrepreneurs their whole life. Like I like i like you like myself and obviously there's different makeup between those two um but you know there's nothing i honestly you know it's it's the entrepreneur in life is so great i love it dude i know it's way more riskier and the odds are not in your favor i think 95 of businesses fail after 10 years but it's just it's fun knowing you could wake up and do whatever you want yeah because you're like a sports guy i feel like as well yeah i see you play basketball and all that um it's like a sport for sure yeah 24 7 yeah mark cuban says that yeah

and um you just got to try to improve every day and bring your best to the table and do whatever it takes to be to get to your best you know to uh to bring the best to the table every day and so it's not an easy task you know and I think entrepreneurs need to do that. There's no days off for an entrepreneur. No, I used to work literally seven days a week probably the first five years. Yeah. No vacation for five years. And then, like, it may not pay off immediately, but if you're doing it right

and you're hitting the right sweet spot, and then after that time, a year or two, you're just going to start piling in. Yep. And I think both you and I see what it looks like to pile in on a daily basis. You're seeing 10K deposits, you know, 20K deposits a day.

Yeah. And that's obviously, there's people on that large level for me. I know people are doing, you know, 30, 40 million a year in sales,

so that's obviously amazing. But just seeing cash come into your account every day from the work you've done, it's just so freaking motivating. Absolutely. Yeah, the first few years

were really hard, man. The first 100K, super hard. Where did you would you start e-commerce so the margins are thin and you're on your own you don't know much and i didn't have a mentor personally so took three years get that first 100k profit what was the what was like the breaking point the switch for you um so i love e-commerce it had a lot of great things like i learned how to run ads i learned branding how to grow a following but just the margin so switching the more high ticket offer like consulting or whatever like stuff you're doing affiliate stuff with high margin i think that was the big switch for me yeah those high tickets prices are so great yeah i don't do anything low ticket anymore it's not worth it. Because then you're dealing with tens of thousands of customers for a low ticket.

I'm happy customers. Yeah. I'd rather just deal with 30 customers a month. Do a good job for a few dozen. Yeah. And then really, you know, provide a lot of value for each one. Right. Because then you have time freedom too.

Yeah. Like that's, that's super important to me. Location freedom and time freedom. I want to be able to live wherever I want and do whatever I want whenever. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Also working. It's like you can vacation as an entrepreneur, right? But you also have your laptop with you. Yeah, for sure. You're never really fully in vacation mode when you're an entrepreneur. Yeah. Cause you get that one email. You're like, babe, I gotta, I gotta work for like an hour. There's always fires. People don't talk about it. Yeah. But I mean mean payment processing holds people

scamming you yeah people trying to bring you down you ever had a girlfriend work with work for you we i work with my fiance but i know what you're meaning it's it's uh it's a game it's tough well actually one of the first people i hired you know back in 2020 for the company you know i was starting out she saw something i guess because a couple weeks later we started dating uh and she's been one of my top consultants she's brought in like a couple million dollars in sales last few years great numbers for one consultant um yeah we started dating like basically fairly quickly after you know it was it was during covid right so it's like what else we're gonna work and and you know we met up because you can't meet up with anyone else right so only a few people and um you know it's actually up because you can't really meet up with anyone else. Right. So only a few people.

And, you know, it's actually really nice when you're if you're working very closely like for a leadership position. And actually Hermosi and his wife do that. Yeah, they crush it. And it's actually nice to be able to have those conversations about what's going on from a client to client basis. You know, some client doesn't want to pay. Yeah. That conversation at the dinner table. I'm like, that's my love language right there. So, yeah, I always recommend that for entrepreneurs you know to trust you know to potentially trust their you know their significant others to work for them it may

work out but it may not feel like it usually doesn't you got to really establish boundaries yeah i didn't really establish the boundaries we just talk about work all day long honestly i used to do that but it got to the point where we were work 99 and personal one percent so i had to adjust those ratios yeah and that's why we moved out to vegas because there's so much freaking cool stuff out here so much i love it here man you're from la right no i lived there for five months i hated it okay i'm from jersey okay jersey yeah that's where our guys are from, actually. Maybe you meet them. Some of our other consultants. Yeah, Jersey has got good people, man. We left

Southern California at the end of 21. I'm from there. I was born in San Diego, California, and I just can't believe what's happening over there. Dude, I went to San Diego last month or last year in December. I didn't feel safe. Oh, yeah, downtown? Yeah safe oh yeah downtown yeah i stayed downtown

there was more homeless people walking around than normal people right that's more yeah and they were all on some intense drug like you could see it it was yeah crazy oh man that yeah yeah so i've been on them yeah when you're around those kind of people for a long time it actually makes you just kind of desensitized which i think is not good for you know that whole situation so now you're out here now you know, that whole situation. So now you're out here now, you know, in Vegas, there's obviously a few homeless people here. But for the most part, especially like in the Summerlin areas, which is where I'm usually at, it's just really nice. Super nice.

Summerlin, Henderson, you don't see many homeless in either of those two. And you just think about it, like, what's the solution for that? Like, I've sat there, like, what could you possibly do? Yeah, because you were actually homeless, right? Well, I mean, it wasn't like them, you know, you're talking about a car. Yeah. So there's like, so that's actually really, really key point for me. It's like, so, um, you know, it's like you can be at your lowest point in your life, but if you can, if you can focus and get your stuff together, I mean, when I was really low, don't get me wrong. I had, I had, I had lived, I was living in my car, right. And you see YouTubers living in their car these days, you know, so it's doable.

Yeah. But it's definitely not that. It's obviously unsafe. Right. You know, so you sleep in a parking lot. And there was like three to five weeks I had to do that. Damn. Right?

And that was before I started my business. It was really honestly that bottom moment that you, you know, have to, you can actually draw back on that as an entrepreneur. Um, you know, when you are not in your successful place and you, but, and actually let's say you are, and you can get your kind of your head warped a little bit about, okay, I'm successful. I don't remember what it's like to be super hungry, but if you had those really rough experiences, you know, you can draw from those and help you get back in that hungry mindset, mind state as an entrepreneur. Absolutely. I think it's important to have low moments like that because if you're just always at a mediocre level, you're never going to have that to draw back on like you're saying, right?

Yeah. And I think, you know, Gary Vee talks about it, like people that from the rough, the rough upbringings, you know, some of those people have a drive that you just can't get anywhere else. Yeah. Immigrant mentality. Yeah. And I appreciate the agreements, immigrants, even though, even though what's going on at the border is pretty rough, you know?

Yeah. That's a whole nother podcast. That's a political. Yeah. Now, when you were in your car for three to five weeks did you feel a sense of shame not wanting to tell your parents or your friends that you were in that situation yeah yeah i didn't tell anyone wow yeah no i i really i mean maybe i think i had to like ask a friend actually who helped me get out of it for some money yeah a couple hundred bucks to get a room here and um you know you can rent a room for 400 bucks. In Vegas? Yeah, I think most places.

Yeah. Yeah, in most cities you can rent, you know. Like 400 a month or something? Yeah, I think you could. Yeah, probably on Airbnb. And that was actually 2019. Oh, wow. And that was Craigslist.

Craigslist. No one would use Craigslist. You could have ended up in a trailer somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, once you kind of scrounge up a little bit of money you know you just gotta get that starting point you know get that rent and then from there if you

had a laptop you can leverage what you got to keep growing and man it's just about keep grinding until you find a good idea and then you just invest in that idea it's crazy man from there to nearly doing 100 million in revenue 5 years later is unreal dude I just love the fact that you you know, entrepreneurship could bring you to those kind of

heights, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Do you have any goals, missions you're trying to really get out this year or next year? So we want to help our clients do another a hundred million dollars this year. Um, and we want to, we want to keep growing that as well. I got to tell you actually, so there's a lawsuit I actually just got settled with. Oh yeah. Yeah. Get free versus Ewing. Ewing. Ewing. Yeah. So this guy actually, we called him to, to inform him about ERC. Someone actually told us, Hey, this person's interested about ERC. You should give him a call. Yeah. One of my guys, Tyler gave him a call. Uh, he acted like he wanted to work, to work with us and do business with us. However, the next day I got an email from the guy saying, you've just been served a federal lawsuit. Whoa.

Yeah. For what? It turns out his number had been on the do not call list. And he sued us for a million dollars from that one phone call. No. Yes. For being on the do not call list?

The one phone call. Dude, I could have sued so many companies for that. I'm on that list. And that is what we want to actually offer our clients in the next few years is we want to offer a streamlined process to sue the telemarketer violations oh to sue him to sue the people who are cold calling and uh you know spam calling all the americans because he was probably so fed up he's gotten spammed and he just took it out on

you guys that guy ewing he is a serial litigator so that's all he does for his whole life i've run into a few people like that all he does is sue for those telemarketer violations and he sues for a million dollars and he settles for 15k and he just needs to get 10 done a year to live and he lives in san diego actually yeah to afford to live in that city and you make 150k so he does 10 a year i can never make money like that dude that's what he does so i got yeah go can never make money like that, dude. That's what he does. So the thing is – I got – Yeah, go ahead. Well, I mean, maybe some people here have –

and you guys have, like, experienced this, but, like, you get spam calls if you're an entrepreneur every day, right? Yeah. I get, like, 10 a day. Same. And I'm on the DNC list too. And they're annoying. I haven't really –

I mean, I haven't done my phone blocking yet. So what I'm trying to say is, like, I get a lot of calls from my clients and from referrals and I don't know their numbers. So when I get a spam call from a random number, I have to answer it. So I have to answer these guys every single time.

That's annoying. Yeah. If I don't have the number saved, I literally don't answer. Yeah. Okay. But I see the voicemail and it's always like a spam.

But yeah. That'd be nice. I got hit with the TCPA when I was in college, dude. Oh. Yeah. So I'm familiar with this. What happened with it? Dude, I mean, other than me having panic attacks every day, I had to settle.

But if I didn't settle and it went to court, it would have been $500 for every text sent. Yep. And I sent, I think, thousands. So I would have been bankrupt. So you settled? Yeah. If I didn't settle, I would have lost the whole company

and my finances would have been a wreck. And that was from a Shopify app that was based in India that would text people when they abandoned their car. They weren't compliant with TCPA. Wow. Learned my lesson from that, man.

Yep. Yep. And so, well, that well that leads the question is do you think that people should be sued if they do the robo robo dials 20 times a day for one person like you know that sort of thing if they're on the dnc list i could see i could see a case for it right but if not it's just business yeah yep because i get i run lead ads on facebook but the thing is i don't know if those numbers are on the dnc list so do you have to manually check there's a way i'm happy to share with you it's a website where you can cross reference your lead list it'll automatically tell you and kick out the dncs it'll also point out the serial litigators there's like a list of 700 across the country i need that does the need that. Does the DNC also apply to techs? Yeah. Oh, shit.

I got to definitely run. Yeah, we'll talk after this. Yeah, those serial litigators, man. I think I ran into one with my case. Do you think it's a moral thing to do, like, let's say, like, as a business to help a lot of other people, like Americans who are dealing with that, to actually help them sue the companies easily, like to provide a service? Sue which companies? the telemarketers if they're on the dnc yeah i think it would help right because i mean it's not ethical it's not ethical if you're calling people on the dnc list oh yeah yeah yeah so i agree with that

is that what you're doing we are building that process up to start offering that because those are fifteen thousand dollar settlements so if i can get any person i can basically our goal is to we are building that process up to start offering that because those are $15,000 settlements. So if I can get any person, I can basically, our goal is to say, Hey, you're getting spam calls. Yes or no? They say, yes. Okay. We're going to get you on the DNC. You got to be on there for 31 days. And if they call you after that, let me see them call us back in 31 days. And when the person calls you, you need to get this information from them. And then we will facilitate the lawsuit and you'll get a check in like five months. Interesting. And you do that over and over again. Sounds pretty streamlined,

right? But I've got a lot of push, I've got some pushback about like, you know, it's not ethical. It's like you're hurting the cold, you're hurting those small businesses that are doing the cold calling. I could see it from both points of views. Because they're just trying to, you know, do business.

They're trying to just make money. Yeah, it depends how they're getting the leads, I'd say. Yeah. I think that's where both points of views. Because they're just trying to do business. They're trying to just make money. Yeah, it depends how they're getting the leads, I'd say. Yeah, yeah. I think that's where it comes down to. But if they're running ads, spending their own dollars on the leads, I think they deserve to call them. Oh, yeah. As long as they have the proper disclosures. Like when I run leads, I'm pretty sure it says this number will be texted.

And there's a checkbox. And they agree to it. Yep. So they know they're going to be contacted. But what's happening is that there's these lists of leads that get in some industries, they get spread around. Yeah, that's where. And then like everyone, you start getting calls from like 30 people.

You're like, how the heck did that happen? Yeah. That's where it's annoying. Because I know what you mean. I've signed up for like car insurance and I'll get called from like 20 different companies. I'm like, damn. So I guess it's illegal if you're on the DNC, though. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, sorry. No, go ahead. Well, 20 companies are calling you, 15K. What's that, 300,000 if we get all 20? Keep me posted, man. I'll fill out applications all day and see who contacts me. Yeah.

That's funny. Anything you're working on next? Yeah, I mean, what I'm working on next. I think it's just actually that. That's like, well, because right now SCTC, that's the self-employment tax credit. That ends next year, right? That ends in 2025. So there's like a shelf life.

So yeah, we always got to have the next thing in the chamber. But right now it's all in on SCTC. We're bringing on consultants at tens at a time. So we're bringing out 10 consultant groups. We teach them up. We teach them how to make a lot of money from this. They work for us and they make multiple six figures if they're doing a good job. Great job for someone who wants to really grind.

And then basically just getting the word out to everyone, hey, if you're self-employed during COVID, you qualify up to $32,220. And no one knows about it and no one got it. Yeah, we'll put the link in the description. I think that'll help a lot of people, man. Uh, anything else you want to close off with? No, just thanks for bringing me on Sean. Um, absolutely love what you're doing for the city of Las Vegas and the entrepreneurs around here, man. Thanks man. It means a lot. Thanks for coming on. Thanks Sean. Thanks for watching guys. As always. See you next time.