Digital Social Hour - The $46 Trillion Health Crisis No One's Talking About | Dr. Anthony Chaffee DSH #909
Episode Date: November 21, 2024The $46 trillion health crisis is bigger than you think - and it's affecting every one of us. 🚨 In this eye-opening discussion, we uncover how our modern diet is fueling a massive healthcare catast...rophe that's draining trillions from the global economy. From shocking statistics about disease rates to fascinating insights about traditional diets, this video reveals why our health crisis is spiraling out of control. Discover why chronic diseases are skyrocketing worldwide, how our ancestors maintained incredible health without modern medicine, and what simple dietary changes could revolutionize global health. Learn why some populations are four times more likely to develop chronic diseases and the surprising truth about what we're feeding our children. You'll learn: - Why chronic disease rates are exploding worldwide - How traditional societies maintained perfect health - The real cost of our modern health crisis - What ancient cultures knew about nutrition that we've forgotten - Why some doctors are calling for a complete dietary revolution Whether you're interested in health, nutrition, or the future of healthcare, this conversation will change how you think about food and disease. The solutions might be simpler than you think - but time is running out. #HealthCrisis #Nutrition #ChronicDisease #Healthcare #Diet #Wellness #Health #Medicine #Prevention #GlobalHealth #anthonychaffee #paleodiet #metabolicsyndrome #functionalmedicine #animalbaseddiet CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:30 - Ketogenic Diet and Fasting Benefits 01:40 - Ketogenic Diet and Mental Health Recovery 07:45 - Impact of Ketogenic Diet on Disease Rates 10:29 - Animals and Human Disease Resistance 15:44 - Chronic Diseases in Pre-Agricultural Societies 21:53 - Economic Costs of Chronic Diseases 24:30 - Expense of a Meat-Based Diet 26:58 - Role of Fat and Cholesterol in Brain Development 29:54 - Meat vs Vegetables: Cost Analysis 31:00 - Animals' Natural Eating Behavior 37:05 - Human Evolution Inflection Point 39:37 - Agricultural Revolution's Health Impact 42:15 - Brain Energy Requirements Explained 45:34 - Height of the Tallest People 47:26 - Nutrition's Influence on Height 51:56 - Dr. Pottinger and Nutrition Foundation 54:10 - Importance of Vitamin D 1:00:03 - Where to Find Dr. Anthony 1:00:43 - Thanks for Watching APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: jenna@digitalsocialhour.com GUEST: Dr. Anthony Chaffee https://www.instagram.com/anthonychaffeemd/ https://www.howtocarnivore.com/ www.youtube.com/@anthonychaffeemd LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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junk diet sort of mimics the metabolism that you'd be in when you're fasting. And we know
that fasting is really good for you. So it's just me making that. What I argue that fasting
actually mimics the metabolic state we're supposed to be in all the time anyway, which is a ketogenic diet, which is the same metabolic system
Pathway that most animals are in the wild
All right guys, dr. Anthony Chafee here today we're gonna talk the carnivore and
ketosis
baby
Any any new studies or findings recently come across your desk?
Well there are new studies coming out all the time on ketogenic diets in general.
Carnivore diet is a ketogenic diet and typically what a ketogenic diet is, is you're eliminating
out carbohydrates and you'll go into a completely different metabolic state and you start running
on your own body fat and you produce the carbohydrates, ketones and glycogen that you need.
And so instead of bringing in a lot of carbohydrates and shutting down your metabolism, you actually
are allowing your metabolism free a bit.
And so there's more and more research coming out on ketogenic diets.
A carnivore diet is a ketogenic diet.
And when you eliminate out carbohydrates, you have to replace it with fat and protein.
Where does that fat and protein come from?
It typically comes from meat,
and most of the studies show that.
It's a high-fat, meat-based ketogenic diet,
and a carnivore diet is a high-fat, meat-based,
ketogenic diet, so you're cutting out
the rest of the stuff, too, like vegetables.
So there are more studies coming out
on pure carnivore version of a ketogenic diet,
but a lot of those are in the works as well.
But there are literally thousands
of randomized controlled trials in humans
on a high-fat meat-based ketogenic diet,
may include vegetables or not,
but the main thing is being ketogenic.
And so the ketogenic diet is the most well-studied diet in the world.
There isn't a single other diet form that has the rigor of scientific testing that a
ketogenic diet has.
And you're looking at specific endpoints and diseases.
So things like diabetes has been shown in clinical trials to be reversible with a high
fat meat-based ketogenic diet.
Alzheimer's, a high fat meat based ketogenic diet
has been shown in experimental data in humans
to be a better treatment for Alzheimer's
than every medication ever trialed.
Whoa.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
We know we have quite a lot of studies
showing the benefits of fasting.
And so if you just fast for a period of time, people can reverse a lot of studies showing the benefits of fasting. And so if you just fast for a period of time,
people can reverse a lot of diseases.
We see this in different traditional cultures
and religions going back thousands of years
that this can be beneficial.
And we have studies showing that as well.
And so people argue, well, then, you know,
this is just the key,
it sort of mimics the metabolism that you'd be in
when you're fasting.
And we know that fasting is really good for you.
So it's just making that.
What I argue that fasting actually mimics
the metabolic state we're supposed to be in
all the time anyway, which is a ketogenic diet,
which is the same metabolic pathway
that most animals are in the wild.
So carnivores, 70% of animal species are carnivores.
They eat just meat, which is protein and fat.
And so they're on a ketogenic diet.
Lions have been found to be in ketosis.
And that makes sense because they're not eating carbs.
But also herbivores, because herbivores
that eat fibrous plants, fibrous strings of glucose,
you think, oh, okay, well, they're getting carbohydrates.
But in fact, they don't eat, they don't digest the fiber.
No vertebrate animal can break down fiber cellulose.
And this is fiber.
And so it's actually, they're actually feeding
their microorganisms in their gut.
And as a byproduct, they actually produce saturated fat.
And then the proteins die off
and they absorb those as protein.
So even cows and gorillas and these sorts of fibrous
animals that eat fibrous plants, they're also getting the majority of their calories from protein and fat and
are in ketosis. So I think that's our natural metabolic state.
That's where all of our heavy machinery comes to bear. That's where a lot of health benefits come from. So
some of these studies actually aren't,
aren't termed ketogenic diet or low carb because some is sort of a four letter
word in some academic circles. They just don't want to hear about it.
The car board. Yeah, the car or ketogenic. They just think, Oh, that's just a,
that's just a weird fad or something like that. So sometimes they'll hide it.
And they'll say, well,
since we know fasting is really good for reversing diabetes or, you know, helping
this sort of health issue.
Well, what about, but fasting is really hard.
So what about a diet that mimics the metabolic state of fasting?
It's what's called a fasting mimicking diet or FMD.
And so you can find a lot of papers called fasting mimicking diets, which is a key to
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... diet and they find that they have the same benefits as fasting, if not more benefits as well.
So yeah, there's actually quite a lot of studies coming out.
Recently there have been a number of studies, actually large randomized controlled trials
in people over at Harvard.
That's not published yet, but it's in the works for looking at perversing and putting
into remission major depression,
OCD, bipolar disorder, even schizophrenia.
Wow.
With a professor, Chris Palmer over at Harvard.
And he's been in his clinical practice applying this
to his patient population for years now
and finding that you can reverse these major, major issues
because you're fixing the metabolism.
He's arguing that these mental health issues
are actually metabolic issues as well.
You get metabolic derangement,
it damages your mitochondria,
which are the powerhouses of the cell.
And when those don't act properly,
your cells don't work properly and your neurons are cells.
And so your brain doesn't work properly
and you get these mental health issues.
And so you fix your metabolic health,
you fix your mitochondria,
all of a sudden,
things start working better.
There was a study that was done in France
and it was an interventional experimental trial,
but it wasn't randomized control.
They just took 31 people that had treatment resistant,
major mental health issues.
So major depression, OCD, bipolar, and schizophrenia,
Schizoaffective disorder.
And these people were severely affected,
and they were treatment resistant.
It's really unfortunate, but the standard of care
that we have right now in modern medicine
only works well for about 10% of people
with these serious mental health issues.
And then there's another 40% or so that get some benefit,
but not complete benefit.
And the rest of it really does nothing for,
those are the treatment resistant populations.
And so they took just the treatment resistant population
that standard of care just did nothing for,
for some of these people for well over a decade,
all treated by the same psychiatrist, which is important.
So they're getting consistent continuity of care.
And they said, okay, would you be willing to go on a ketogenic diet?
Some of these people really couldn't live on their own.
They had to be institutionalized, things like that.
And so they put them on a high-fat, meat-based ketogenic diet,
like a carnivore diet.
And they found that 28 of them were able to stay
on a ketogenic diet for at least three weeks.
That was the minimum cutoff.
And of those 28 people, every single one improved.
And I think it was about two thirds
went into complete remission.
Whoa.
And they were completely treatment resistant.
Standard of care had not worked for them at all.
And so that was a major finding.
And now that's not a randomized control trial,
but now they're doing randomized control trials.
And so that's some of the new exciting research
over at Harvard.
And so that's sort of been in the...
So you believe if every single human was on a ketogenic diet,
the rate of disease would go down?
Oh my goodness, yes.
Absolutely.
The large burden of disease are these so-called non-communicable chronic diseases, so things
like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, mental health issues, Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's,
autoimmune issues.
All of these things, they cannot be passed on.
They live in your body and you get them or you don't.
And people think, well, it's just part of getting older, you just, they live in your body and you get them or you don't.
And people think, well, it's just part of getting older,
you just get unlucky, it's genetic.
Well, if it was genetic, then why is the prevalence
of these things going up decade after decade after decade?
So there's more people in society
that are being afflicted with this.
Well, that's just screening,
we're getting better at screening.
Like, I'm sorry, but you have somebody with Crohn's disease
and you have 30 bouts of bloody diarrhea every single day.
Like, you're not going to miss that.
So it's not a screening issue.
And cancer rates have skyrocketed.
They've more than tripled in the last 40 years.
Now, one in two people throughout the course of their life
will get cancer.
Holy crap.
One in two.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it is nuts.
It's a coin flip.
Exactly, and so then you look at places like India,
I mean, they're metabolic.
They're some of the most metabolically sick people
in the world.
They also eat some of the least amount of meat in the world.
They eat about three kilos of meat per person per year.
They have some of the highest metabolic disease
and diabetes rates in the world in America.
And we talk about America, or we get painted as being the and diabetes rates in the world in America. And we talk about America,
or we get painted as being the sickest country in the world
and having horrible metabolic health
and everyone's overweight and just eating junk food
and evil meat that makes them all sick.
But our diabetes rate is 9%.
And we have a lot of pre-diabetes,
about 40% of pre-diabetic, but diabetes is 9%.
Well, India, where they eat hardly any meat, it's 25%.
That was published in The Lancet in 2018.
And that was looking at rural populations
as well as urban populations.
They were both 25%.
So it wasn't just people living in the cities
that were getting a higher affliction rate.
It was everybody, 25%.
And that's diagnosed.
And so people in India have a
much much less access to medicine so it could be higher than that. There could be
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Are diabetic and they just haven't discovered that.
So yes, I do think so.
90% of the things that we treat nowadays as doctors are these non-communicable chronic
diseases.
90% of the mortality of the deaths in Western countries come from non-communicable chronic
diseases.
74% of deaths around the world are from non-communicable chronic diseases.
And so that is the major, major burden of healthcare.
Now you look at the animal kingdom.
You know, deer don't get lupus, right?
They don't typically get any of these diseases
that we would see, even animals in the zoo,
if they're being fed their correct diet.
And there are signs at the zoo that are very clear,
say don't feed the animals, it makes them very sick if they eat anything
that they're not designed to eat.
And so they're saying, don't feed the animals
the thing that you're eating right now.
It makes them sick.
What is it doing to us?
Wow.
Or don't feed bread to ducks at the park,
because it can make them sick.
Well, give them diabetes.
Wow.
Right?
Ducks get diabetes.
And fatty liver.
I mean, how do we make foie gras?
That literally means fat liver. I mean, how do we make foie gras? That literally means fat liver.
We stuff a tube down a duck or a goose's throat and we pour grains down.
How do we even get marbling, intramuscular fat in steaks?
We give them a bunch of grains.
Well, in humans, that's called myosteatosis.
It's a pathological sign that we see on MRI and that denotes very serious metabolic dysfunction.
So we're causing metabolic dysfunction in the animals because it increases the fat and
pathological deposition of fat in the liver and in the muscle tissues because it tastes
better.
Wow.
Wag you, right?
Wag you, exactly.
And it doesn't matter that they're getting sick because we're going to
slaughter them anyway, but we get sick. So the exact same practices that we're doing to animals
to make them sick and get this pathological fat deposition in their muscles and organs,
we're doing that to ourselves as well. In the 1930s, there was an article about getting the poundage up on pigs and increasing their
fat content and making them bigger and bigger product.
And the way they did that was giving them grains and also skim milk, which was a byproduct
of the cream and butter industry.
And so it was just sort of a throwaway product.
And they found that giving the combination of grains and skim milk actually increased their hunger,
and so they overate.
And when you're eating grains, that can raise your insulin,
that can then drop your blood sugar,
and so you feel down, so you wanna eat more,
but it also blocks a hormone called leptin,
which is your satiety hormone,
so you're blocking that and you tend to overeat.
And then milk has casomorphines,
which cause a baby mammal
to drink more because you're trying to encourage babies
to get their weight up and grow.
And so when you drink that as an adult,
it still will trigger that hunger signal.
So you have this combination of grains and skim milk,
and all of a sudden it says specifically
in this 1930s article paper that the reason that this worked is because
it caused them to overeat.
So what is grains and skim milk?
That's breakfast cereal.
Right.
So we're doing this to ourselves
and we look at these same diseases,
these non-communicable chronic diseases.
Animals get them too, but only animals in captivity.
Wow.
And so only animals that are being fed something outside of their typical
evolved species-appropriate biological diet.
And so you get dogs and cats, which are known carnivores, and yet we're giving them
food and kibble that has some meat in it so they get the nutrients that they need,
but it's packed out with grains so that it, because it's cheaper and you put something on it, you know, like put science
in the name and go, oh, this is supposed to be, well, science actually tells us that they're
supposed to eat meat. That's what science tells us. And then, you know, marketing agencies
tell us otherwise. And they get sick and they get obesity and they get diabetes and they get sick and they get obesity and they get diabetes and they get cancer and they get autoimmune issues and arthritis
and they get osteoporosis and these sorts of things.
But that's not typical.
And those disease rates have gone up and up and up
in recent decades.
The average life expectancy in the US
of a golden retriever in the 1970s was 17 years.
Whoa.
Now it's nine years.
So it got cut in half.
Got cut in half.
And I think that's directly because of the food
that we're feeding them.
There's a big shift that was when
it started switching over to kibble was in the 80s.
And now the vets are talking about how
there's a massive increased prevalence
in so-called human diseases in domesticated pets.
So these human diseases, these non-communicable chronic diseases,
such as metabolic disorder, diabetes,
and all these other sorts of things.
And those are human diseases.
Well, okay, well, what the hell is a human disease, right?
Well, it's non-communicable,
so we know we're not passing it to anybody.
And yet they catch it when they eat this other diet.
And you talk to zookeepers and they know
you feed any animal outside of what they're supposed to eat, they get sick. And when they get this other diet. And you talk to zookeepers and they know you feed any animal outside of what they're supposed to eat,
they get sick.
And when they get sick with,
they get all the same things we get.
They get the so-called human diseases.
And I've spoken to some people,
and I sort of knew the answer ahead of time,
but I asked them, I was like,
do you ever give them like grains or dog food
or anything like that?
And the guy said, he was like, are you out of your mind?
Like, you know, if you give animals that garbage,
they'll get human diseases, right?
So if you feed the animal human food,
they get human diseases.
When you don't feed them that food,
they don't get human diseases.
That means directly that the food is causing the disease.
And we see this in pre-agricultural populations.
So the Native Americans, especially in the Great Plains,
when they had a lot of access to meat, bison,
they would do a buffalo drop, knock over a bunch of bison
and just eat those throughout the year.
Other places, they didn't have as much animals
available to them, so they had to sort of flesh out
their meals with plants that they grew locally.
But they also had specific ways of preparing them.
Maize was, corn was prepared with a process called niche tomalization, which is a complex
process to lower the toxic load and increase the bioavailability of the nutrients of corn.
They had fermentation, all these other sorts of processes
that we use to lower the toxic load of plants.
So plants defend themselves by being toxic.
All plants are toxic.
They make about a million different defense chemicals
in order to protect themselves from animals and insects.
Animals are hard to catch, they're hard to kill
because they'll fight back, they'll run away.
Those are their defenses.
But once you get them and you take them down,
it's the most bioavailable and nutritious food
that exists on this earth.
Plants are easy to catch, they're just sitting there.
So they can't just be straight up nutritious.
Their major defense is by being physically poisonous.
And so their traditional ways of eating plants are,
you know, it was never raw food, vegan or anything like that. It was very specific ways of eating plants are, you know, it was never raw food vegan or anything like
that. It was very specific ways of preparing these plants to make them more
nutritious but also lower the toxic load. And so when you look at these
pre-agricultural societies, and anthropologists talk about this in these
sort of hunter-gatherer populations, that the health issues that afflict them
are very different than what we have.
It's basically infections and injuries, childbirth.
You know, mothers can die in childbirth,
infant mortality rates, things like that are pretty high.
But they don't get these chronic diseases
and people say, well, it's because they don't,
they only live 30 years, that's not true.
You know, right now, you know,
pre-agricultural hunter gatherer populations, when they've
been studied, as long as you're not killed by something. So there's a difference between
average life expectancy from birth and how long you live if you die of old age. And so
since the infant mortality rate is much higher and you're fighting off panthers and maybe
polar bears and things like that up in the Arctic North with the Inuit.
That's obviously gonna lower
your average life expectancy from birth.
When they look at the people, how long they live,
it's old age, actually people are living just as long,
if not longer than people today.
Wow.
And they don't get these chronic diseases.
And anthropologists talk about this shift
in the health issues.
And they look at just infections,
chronic disease, infant mortality, things like that, and injuries being attacked by
lions, things like that.
And then when they go to post-agricultural sort of civilized sort of society, they then
have a shift and they get more of the diseases of civilization, which are also called human
diseases, which are also called chronic diseases.
And 100 years ago, 150 years ago,
they were called Western diseases,
because we only saw these diseases in Western populations.
We didn't see them in the Native Americans
and the Native Australians and the Native Canadians
and Alaskans and so on, or the Maasai or the Nanette
or these populations that are still alive today,
and some of them are still living in a traditional way,
they don't get these diseases.
In Australia, when I first went down to practice there,
I was told that, basically day one,
that if you got an Australian Aboriginal patient,
whatever age it said on their sticker,
basically add 20 years to that.
Because they just age so much more quickly
and they develop diseases more quickly.
And so you had someone in their 30s and 40s,
you had to consider them in a geriatric population
and start thinking about the heart diseases
and the cancers and the afflictions
that affected 60 year olds, 70 year olds,
and things like that.
Why is that?
Well, because they age more quickly, but I think it's because they haven't been exposed
to agricultural food for very long.
Our ancestors would have had thousands of years to acclimatize and try to build up some
sort of resistances to the toxins in plants.
But the Australian natives and the American natives,
especially in certain parts,
it's really only the last 100, 150 years
that they've been exposed to this.
Some areas that did have agriculture,
but the large majority of their diet was meat,
especially in the Great Plains with like the bison.
Like if they had access to meat,
all the historical records I found to be very consistent,
that when they had access to meat,
they would just eat meat and they'd sort of fill in the gaps
with plants if they had to.
But then there's places like in the Arctic North,
where the Inuit are,
and the First Nation people of Canada now, there's no plants growing up in the Arctic North where the Inuit are, the First Nation people of Canada now,
there's no plants growing up in the Arctic Circle.
You're not cultivating any crops,
you're not growing potatoes or anything like that.
And so they just ate meat.
And they have, when eating a Western diet,
they get more sick.
Native Americans, I heard this when I was a kid,
that the Native Americans, when eating Western diet, had a kid, that Native Americans, when eating a Western diet,
had four times the burden of disease,
chronic disease, obesity, heart disease, cancer,
diabetes, all these things, than the rest of Americans.
And I remember thinking at the time that,
well, doesn't that mean the food is causing the disease?
Because if they don't eat the food,
they don't get the disease.
We get the food and we get the disease,
just at a lower rate.
And what's a non-Western
diet? Whether they're eating that we're not and vice versa. And no one told me at the
time, but they were, they were carnivores. They were predominantly eating meat and, and
then, you know, the, the plants that they grew and prepared in, in specific traditional
ways on top of that as well, but they weren't having any of the highly processed garbage. They were eating a lot of meat whenever they could.
And it was just a very different diet and lifestyle.
And when you switch away from that, you start seeing a massive increase in disease.
And I think that is the true healthcare crisis.
We argue about what healthcare system we want.
Do we want a public system or a private system or something new that we haven't thought of yet?
It doesn't matter because any system is going to collapse
and crumble under the weight of the growing burden
of the chronic disease epidemic.
Harvard University School of Public Health
published a massive study looking at the economic burden
of chronic disease, just five chronic diseases, heart disease or cardiovascular disease, COPD,
diabetes, cancer and mental health disorders, just those five.
So obviously a lot of other ones as well, they're very expensive and costly, just those
five they found that in 2010,
I'm gonna give rough numbers here, so forgive me,
but around worldwide, we spent about $8 trillion
in treating that, in the direct and indirect costs
of treating those diseases.
By 2030, it's estimated to be up around $14 trillion,
trillion with a T, right?
And so that's worldwide.
So it's nearly doubled in that period of 20.
Five, six years?
20 years, yeah, so 2010 to 2030.
Oh, okay, got it.
And so, but then they looked at more than that.
They looked at the cost to, you know,
the lost opportunity costs of people
not being able to work, not being able to take care of their family, not being involved in the economy,, you know, the loss opportunity costs of people not being able to work,
not being able to take care of their family,
not being involved in the economy,
getting on disability, these other sorts of things.
And they found that, that between 2010 and 2030,
we're basically gonna spend around $46 trillion
in lost opportunity costs.
So that's $46 trillion out of the economy
that we don't have access to.
And the biggest one was premature deaths.
So people dying young,
someone having a heart attack in their 30s
and not being productive for the next 50 years
or 40 years, however long you're productive.
And that they found in 2010
to be around $23 trillion a year lost to the world.
And by 2030, they're expecting that around $23 trillion a year lost to the world.
And by 2030, they're expecting that to be up around $43 trillion a year that we're losing.
So the burden of the healthcare crisis
is not just the 14, 15 trillion dollars a year
that we're spending, it's the 43, 45, $50 trillion
in lost opportunity
and early deaths that we're losing from the economy as well. So we're realistically thinking about 50, 60 trillion dollars
a year that we're losing out of the economy
that could be going towards very useful things
and just being more productive as well.
So any healthcare system is gonna collapse
and crumble under that.
And it's not gonna be able to survive.
And so we need to fix that first.
And then we can argue about what system would be best.
Yeah, do you think that's fixable with the average salary
in America right now?
Because this diet might be kind of expensive, right?
It's surprisingly less expensive.
You think about it, you process food, junk food.
I mean, potato chips cost more per pound
than steak does, but also spinach does too.
Spinach per pound costs more than meat.
And you get a pound of meat or two pounds of meat.
That's every nutrient that you need in the proportion that you need it for 24 hours.
That's perfect nutrition for 24 hours.
Just one pound of meat?
Well, depending on the size of the person. So for me, it would probably be 6'3", 230. So I generally eat around two pounds of very fatty meat,
so like fatty, ribeye quality sort of fat.
I get that sort of amount of fat.
And so two and a half pounds, I would have a day.
And if I'm working out and I'm exercising,
my body wants to put on muscle, which
I've found to be far more easy to put on muscle on a carnivore diet than I would have a day. And if I'm working out and I'm exercising, my body wants to put on muscle,
which I've found to be far more easy to put on muscle
on a carnivore diet than anything else I've ever done,
even as a high level athlete and rugby player
in the US and UK.
And then I'll need more.
So if I'm working out, I'm pushing myself,
then I just need more.
So I could eat up to four pounds, but four pounds of ground beef is still only about $20,
$24, and usually the higher fat,
ground beef is less expensive,
so you're actually saving money there,
and you want the fat.
The fat's actually an essential nutrient.
It's not just a calorie source.
There are essential fatty acids that you have to have
or you can get sick and die.
There are essential fat soluble vitamins that you have to have or you can get sick and die. There are essential fat soluble vitamins
that you have to have or you can get sick and die.
Your brain is made out of fat.
60, 70% of your brain is made out of fat
and a large portion made out of cholesterol as well.
Cholesterol is really important.
So important that your brain makes cholesterol.
And there are countless studies talking about
how if you disrupt your brain's metabolism for cholesterol, you get very serious neurocognitive
disabilities and problems.
And yet we're doing everything we can to disrupt
our normal cholesterol modulation and metabolism.
Taking medications that will cross into the brain
and suppress your brain's ability to make cholesterol,
changing our diet so we have less cholesterol,
all these sorts of things.
And we're doing this with children too,
which is, I think is honestly a crime against humanity
because you have to have fat and cholesterol,
high amounts of fat and cholesterol in your diet.
You need to be in ketosis to properly develop
your brain and nervous system
because ketones cross the blood-brain barrier.
Ketones are from fat oxidization.
They're just basically a fuel based on fat.
And they cross freely into the brain.
They cross the blood brain barrier and they can re- they are act as fuel and two thirds
of your brain optimally run on ketones.
So if you have enough ketones and you have enough glucose, two thirds of your brain will only run on those ketones.
So it's actually a preference.
It's only when you start getting less ketones
or not enough ketones that you start filling in the gaps
with glucose.
And so some will still run on glucose,
but the majority, including the cortex,
is what we do our thinking with,
is optimally fueled on ketones.
But the ketones also can reconstitute into fatty acids
and make up the physical structures of your brain.
So when a baby's brain is growing
and a child's brain is growing,
it's really important for them to get ketones,
a lot of ketones, a lot of fat.
So a baby in the womb is in ketosis.
Even though they're carbohydrates in breast milk,
when a baby is breastfeeding, they're in ketosis because it's a lot easier for them to be in ketosis. Wow. Even though they're carbohydrates in breast milk, when a baby is
breastfeeding, they're in ketosis because it's a lot easier for them to be in ketosis because they
need to be in ketosis for their brain. And then we get them onto really high sugar baby food and
formula and actually suppresses the ketones and the ketosis and you're not giving them proper fat.
Dang. So you're not a fan of baby formula. No, no, no. A lot of parents use that, right?
They do, and sometimes their circumstances
require that they do, and that's unfortunate
because they don't have the same makeup as breast milk.
They have sort of different fats.
They say, well, you have to have omega-6s,
so you need seed oils, like vegetable oils
and things like that. Well, vegetable oils do have omega-6s, but they have the wrong omega-6s, so you need seed oils, like vegetable oils and things like that.
Well, vegetable oils do have omega-6s,
but they have the wrong omega-6s.
We don't need omega-6s.
We need arachidonic acid, which is an omega-6.
We don't need random omega-3s.
We need specific omega-3s, DHA, EPA, for our brain.
20% of your brain is DHA.
Massive proportion of your brain and yourHA, massive proportion of your brain
and your body is made out of fat.
And so breast milk is actually the highest concentration
of saturated fat and cholesterol of any food in nature.
And so why are we scared of this?
Why are we saying that this is bad for us?
And first of all, that's been completely discredited
that whole cholesterol heart hypothesis.
But, you know, just looking at what kids need to eat.
They need fat and cholesterol.
Getting back to your point about cost, it actually ends up being cheaper.
So a pound of spinach costs way more than a pound of ground beef, certainly, and it
can cost more than many steaks do per pound.
And you're not going to get all the nutrition you need from spinach.
You will get all the nutrition you need from steak.
With that spinach, you're going to need to buy 30 other things.
Half of them are going to go bad and spoil
before the other ones get used.
And so you end up having a lot of waste.
Meat, I've really never had to throw out meat.
Worst case scenario, give it to my dogs.
And they're on a raw meat diet as well.
Nice.
They're healthy as hell.
Yeah, I just switched my dogs over to that.
Oh, perfect.
Their skin is way better already.
Yeah.
And they look healthier.
Yeah.
Yeah, and they will be.
They absolutely will be.
And they'll live longer too, and much more healthfully.
And so I don't have any waste.
I've actually saved a lot of money.
I'm not buying coffees and snacks,
and this and that's, or whatever.
I eat two pounds of meat, and I'm good for 24 hours.
It's really convenient too for people with a busy schedule
because I'm just not hungry.
I eat a big meal.
I eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good.
I can listen to my body's signals.
I don't have to figure out with a calculator
how much to eat.
You're never gonna see a koala pulled out of a calculator
to figure out what to eat, right?
And so if you need a calculator to figure out your macros,
you're probably eating the wrong thing.
I was never a fan of that trend.
There's apps that do it now.
You've got to input everything you eat.
Yeah, that's it.
Where is that in nature?
Nature is natural.
It has to happen just on its own.
And so if we have to figure out something and calculate it,
it means we're probably eating the wrong thing,
because we should be able to eat intuitively.
We should just be able to just eat our natural, biologically
appropriate diet and listen to our natural instincts.
We're not here from space.
We're animals, just like every other animal on this Earth.
We came from this planet, and those same biological laws
apply.
No animal in the wild.
You don't see like a fat badger waddling around,
oh, that one just doesn't have any self-control.
They know what to eat, they know how much to eat,
and they know when to stop.
And we do too, if we're eating the right thing.
And that's a testimony to it being the right thing.
If you're just eating fatty meat
and you eat until it stops tasting good,
your body will perfectly
regulate what's coming in and out.
And so you don't need to worry about it.
And I think that is a big testimony to understand
that this actually is our biologically appropriate way
of eating.
Yeah, that's a good point, because you'll never
see fat animals in the wild, but you'll
see fat dogs, fat cats, fat humans.
Yeah, but only when eating inappropriate diets.
You know, like dogs that are just eating meat.
I mean, you put as much meat as you want in your dog's dish.
It will eat a certain amount and it will stop.
Really?
Yeah.
You think they'll stop?
Oh yeah, they will.
Wow, I want to test that out.
Yeah, yeah.
Because my dogs be pounding the food I give them.
Yeah, well, maybe they need a bit more.
Yeah, they might.
But there is a point that they'll stop.
And because they know, look in the wild again.
You have animals out on pasture, right?
Cows just live on their own food, and yet they stop sometimes.
They monitor how much they're eating.
Actually, they don't have to monitor, but they stop naturally.
Koalas, they live in a tree,
they have no natural predators,
they're just sitting there lazy as a lump,
and they're just eating leaves and then they stop.
They could just keep going,
but something in them tells them to stop.
Lions, you look at a pride of lions,
and King Lion, the alpha, gets to,
when they make a kill, alpha gets to eat
as much as he wants of what he wants.
And typically goes for the belly. That's where more fat is. That's like bacon is the belly,
belly meat. And there's a lot of fat around the organs. The momentum is nearly completely
fat. It's fat around the kidneys. The mesentery, which is the blood supply to the, to the intestines,
completely covered in fat. So there's a lot of fat in the abdomen. And I think that's why they're going for the abdomen
as opposed to, oh, they're getting all the organs.
Organs are great.
There's a lot of nutrients in them,
but they're going for the fat, I believe,
because they leave like the haunches, the hindquarters.
They're very, very lean.
Lions will often leave those
and eat the fattier parts of the animal first,
unless they're very hungry.
And then the hyenas will come in,
they'll eat the hindquarters,
and their jaws are strong enough to crack open the bones
and get at the marrow, which is more fat.
And so animals always go for the fat.
So King Lion goes for the fat.
It goes for the abdomen, eats as much as he wants.
No other animal gets to touch that thing
until King Lion's done.
And so they're all just waiting.
I've seen videos of these where they're just like,
impatiently waiting, like, oh my God, I wanna get in there.
And Daddy Lion is just doing his thing.
And then all of a sudden it's just, he's done.
He could, and then the rest of them come in
and devour the thing.
But he could just keep going until he just made himself sick
and was just rolling on the back.
Oh my God.
You know?
Yeah, exactly. But he doesn't. And they don't rolling on the back. Oh my God. You know, exactly.
But it doesn't, you know, and they don't get fat.
You know, it doesn't, it doesn't get overweight.
They're ripped.
They're like on steroids.
And people say, well, they're in the wild.
They're really active.
I mean, everyone knows that male lions
aren't all that active and, you know, and,
but also it doesn't explain animals in the zoo, right?
And that's what most people say is that, well,
animals in the wild, they're always running around.
Koalas don't run around anywhere. They're basically sitting there.
A lot of animals are just very sedentary unless they have to be, um,
active. And, uh, but again,
it doesn't explain animals in the zoo that live in a box the size of this room.
It's the definition of a sedentary lifestyle.
They just sit in an enclosed area and don't go anywhere.
And yet when fed their natural diet,
they also look very strong, very muscular, very lean.
And so that's the thing, if they fed them grains
and inappropriate food, they would get fat, but they're not.
So being fed the appropriate diet,
and even though they're getting no activity,
no exercise to speak of,
they're extremely muscular and lean and healthy.
And so I think that's because of the diet.
Yeah, I don't see too many healthy vegans.
The only one I've seen actually is Brian Johnson.
Yeah, well he takes 160 different supplements
and he has a whole team spending about $3 million a year
keeping him that way.
The interesting thing about Brian Johnson
is he said that, well, and he may have changed his opinion on this,
but I did hear him say at one point that he didn't,
wasn't doing the vegan diet
because he thought it was the healthiest diet.
That was just his choice.
That's how he wanted to do it.
And so he had his team figure it out.
And so it's like, okay, I want to do a vegan diet.
I want to do it this way.
You figure out how that works.
And so that's why he's taking 160 different supplements
a day, because you have to.
There are essential nutrients that you cannot get
from the entire plant kingdom,
from the entire fungus kingdom.
They just don't exist.
B12 is the classic example, but there are more.
I mean, you look at, and that's the argument too,
you cannot say that humans are herbivores
for a lot of reasons, but it just starts and stops at B12.
There's no B12 in the plankton.
Right.
Right.
You have to get that from meat.
And so we couldn't be herbivores.
We couldn't have evolved as herbivores.
And we didn't evolve as herbivores.
I mean, that's absurd.
All the best evidence shows that humans
have been apex predators, top of the food chain, which
by definition means carnivore,
for at least two million years, if not longer.
Yeah.
Homo habilis with the onset of the ice ages,
two, two and a half million years ago,
there was this inflection point in early human
and then human evolution,
where eight million years ago or so,
we split off from our ancestors who were largely herbivorous.
And because they started eating meat, they started eating more and more meat, more and
more meat, started having more genetic adaptations to closer to what we are today.
Started getting taller, started getting bigger brains because we had to figure out how to
get meat.
We weren't just naturally predisposed to hunting like a lion, taking things down.
We had to scavenge.
We had to figure out how we could take a rock and smash open the skull of a dead animal
and eat the brains and things like that.
And then get sharpened tools.
About 3.3 million years ago,
we got the first example of a sharpened tool
that we can now use to cleave and cut off meat off the bone.
And we see butcher marks, very classic,
clear signs of butchery on bones around that time and beyond,
showing that this was intentional butchering and carving
and ripping off meat with these stone tools
that were again found in that area.
And you can see the deposits in those cut marks
in the bones that came from that Flint ax over there.
And so we have very good information about this.
So our brains were growing, our jaws were getting smaller,
teeth were getting smaller because we're chewing on,
we're eating softer and softer foods.
We're not chewing on sticks all day like a gorilla, right?
And so we had these adaptations.
Then about two, two and a half million years ago,
the ice ages started.
We didn't actually have polar ice caps
two and a half million years ago or so.
When the ice ages started, we're in an ice age.
We're sort of in an ebb of an ice age.
When that ice shelf started coming down,
obviously ice kills things and it stops,
kills animals and plants and things like that
that were surviving in the area.
And animals had to specially adapt or die out.
And our ancestors in Homo habilis did,
and the adaptation that they had was they were able
to turn to full carnivore apex predators.
So they weren't just scavenging now
and then getting a kill every now and then.
Now they were able, they had the technology
and the brain power and the tactics
to be able to take down large animals
and get the whole animal.
You can get the organs, you can get the meat,
you can get all the fat,
you weren't just getting the scraps.
And there's an inflection point in our evolution
at that point, so our height and brain size
was coming up steadily over millions of years
since our ancestors started eating meat.
And about two and a half million years ago, bam,
it's just an exponential increase in brain capacity,
cranial capacity and height. Up until about 15,000 years ago, it's going up and up and up and cranial capacity and height up until about
15,000 years ago. It's going up and up and up and up and up and bang straight down
straight down and
Anthropologists and paleontologists show that in the fossil record
there's a clear point right at the point of the agricultural revolution and this this isn't just in, you know, all over the world this happened.
This happened when a society went from pre-agriculture
to post-agriculture.
It's starting about 10,000 years ago,
but at other points in time,
people have come across agriculture,
have been introduced to agriculture,
and you see the exact same thing.
And as, oh, I'm gonna butcher his name,
but as Professor Ula Jacek from Oxford,
I can get it spelled for you if you like.
But.
I'm good on that.
Yeah, but he said that,
starting about 10,000 years ago,
you saw a clear, distinct line in pre and post agriculture
that the height, the same thing occurred,
regardless of the time, regardless of location,
and regardless of the type of crop that they moved to,
the same things happened.
The height and health of the population declined.
And they say there's all these signs of malnutrition,
infectious disease, and all these other things
that came on afterwards.
The jaws got smaller, started getting crooked teeth,
fallen dental arches.
Weston A. Price was a dentist a hundred years ago.
He showed this in these native populations.
They have perfect teeth, perfect dental arches,
until they started eating Western food
and didn't get enough fatty meat.
And specifically he found that it was the fat soluble
vitamins that you needed to develop your hard palate
and your dental arches and jaw.
And in the same families, all of a sudden,
Johnny starts eating this other stupid food
that come from the towns and has screwed up teeth.
And then they can reverse that by giving him fatty meat
and whole milk and things like that.
And then the next generations,
they could get the teeth back, things like that.
But we saw that, you can tell the difference
between a pre-agriculture and post-agricultural skeleton
and teeth, especially because of that.
Dang.
And the brains went down.
So after agriculture, the adult male brain capacity
reduced by 11%, female adult brain capacity
went down by 17%, and the average height went down
by about five inches.
Holy crap.
And so that wasn't over hundreds of years
or thousands of years, that wasn't an adaptation process.
That was overnight in the fossil record.
So that happened immediately.
And that's persisted until today.
And we saw this in real time, again,
with the Native Americans, the Native Canadians,
the Native Australians.
And we're seeing it in the Maasai as well,
who are traditionally carnivores.
They have a large portion of that carnivore diet being milk,
but milk, blood, and meat is their staple diet.
And they started introducing some plants
throughout the 20th century, and they started getting
some of these human diseases throughout the 20th century
as well.
Now they have Coca-Cola trucks going to the Masai Mara
and these little villages, and they sell out very quickly
because they don't know how harmful this stuff is.
And now their diabetes is actually going up
and their tooth decay is going up
and their chronic diseases are going up,
even though traditionally they're extremely healthy.
So now they're seeing that inflection point
that anthropologists talk about,
that they go from this just injuries and infectious disease
and actually pretty low infectious disease rate.
There's a study out of the British
that in the 1920s and early 30s,
they actually have, they're actually extremely healthy,
they have very low rates of like almost no chronic disease
and very low infectious disease rates as well.
And they were much taller, stronger, healthier
and more lean body mass than their neighbors,
the Akikuyu who they interbred for who knows how many
hundreds of years or thousands of years.
So they're genetically similar population.
And the Akikuyu were largely vegetarian.
And they were, so they were just growing their own crops.
This is out in the middle of Africa.
They're not in cities.
They don't have pollution.
They don't have commercial agriculture
and pesticides and fertilizers.
It's just living out on a commune,
growing grains and things like that.
They were much less healthy.
The Maasai were five inches taller on average,
23 pounds heavier of lean body mass,
stick skinny, just really svelte people
and 50% stronger and they didn't have any
of these chronic disease issues that the Aki Kuyu had,
who also had a lot of nutritional deficiencies.
The British started supplementing them
with the different nutrients that they were lacking,
and it didn't actually make them healthier.
It wasn't until they replaced the plants
they were eating with meat that they got healthier.
And there's no mention of heart disease
anywhere in that study with the Maasai in the 1920s.
And yet in the 1970s, you start seeing,
oh yeah, well, there's a bit of it there,
but I know people that have volunteered in Africa
in the 80s and they were like,
yeah, that was never anything we treated.
We never treated these chronic diseases.
It was always different things.
Now you're seeing it.
Now you're seeing it show up more.
Now you're seeing diabetes, which if you have diabetes,
it increases your risk of developing
cardiovascular disease by a thousand percent.
And metabolic syndrome will increase it by 600%.
And so those are major, major risk factors,
those metabolic issues are major risk factors
for all these chronic diseases.
And now we're starting to see those in the Maasai.
And we saw those, and those disparities
between the Maasai and the Aki Kuyu,
exactly the same disparities that we saw
pre and post agriculture in the fossil record.
And the Native Americans, especially in the Great Plains,
there was a study in 2001,
that was just called Tallest in the World,
and they looked at records from the late 1800s
with the Plains Indians in the Great Plains
that were largely just eating buffalo and bison.
And then they found that they were the tallest human beings alive on earth at the time.
They were far taller than the Europeans, you know, five, six inches or more taller on average.
And there's sort of an average between them somewhere, you know, ranging from like five
foot six to five foot ten on average, but the Cheyenne were about five foot 10 on average,
adult male height.
And now in America, last I checked, it was five foot eight.
So it was still taller than people here today,
but they were far taller than people at the time,
which was much lower, more like five, three, five, four.
And so they were much, much, much taller.
And that was at the end of the 1800s,
after they'd killed all the bison
and put them on the reservations.
That's a really interesting thing.
So they were still taller than everybody else,
even though they had started transitioning
onto a more Western diet and started getting sicker
and started having that, their height come down.
And in those original, those studies and measurements,
they said that the older generations were far taller
than the younger generations.
And so if they just looked at the older generations
or maybe looked 100 years back,
the average height would have been much, much taller.
And in fact, we see the fossil record
of people going back tens of thousands of years
who back before the megafauna died out
because we were eating mammoth,
that the big mammoth hunters, some of these people
were on average 6 foot 2 to 6 foot 4 average.
That's crazy.
Right?
And so I'm 6'3", I would be average.
You'd probably be slightly above that.
But everyone would be.
That's so wild.
It would just be a population of NBA players and things like that.
Yeah, eating a mammoth.
Damn. Eating mammoth. Damn.
Eating mammoth.
So why do you think Asian people are so short?
Well, a lot of it's going to be because of diet as well.
You look at the Mongols.
Well, looking more recently, there's
been a lot of famines in the 20th century
as well with Mao and the forced famines and poverty
and things like that.
And of course, if you're not getting adequate nutrition
during development, you're not going to grow as tall
as you possibly could.
And we see that all over the place,
which is why I think it's a crime against humanity
to be putting kids on vegetarian diets
or processed food diets and formulas and things like that.
And vilifying means they know, no, it's bad.
Putting five-year-olds on statins out of your mind.
I mean, but people are talking about that,
that you should put kids on statins
if they're cholesterol aside.
It needs to be high.
Their brain needs it to be high.
Their body needs it to be high.
And it's good for you.
All your hormones are made out of cholesterol
or your steroid hormones are made out of cholesterol.
Vitamin D is made out of cholesterol.
So if you're not giving kids adequate nutrition,
they're not going to develop properly.
And so you've had a lot of forced famines and poverty
throughout the last century in China and elsewhere.
And people are going to be shorter as a result of that.
Then you see people I've known many friends that
were first generation American.
And their parents were these
wizened little old Chinese people.
They're six foot four, just ripped.
Yeah, that happened to me.
Yeah.
My grandparents were super short.
There you go.
Yeah, so I think a lot of that's nutritional.
And I think that there's a stark contrast
specifically because of the malnutrition
that was prevalent in the 20th century for various reasons.
Look at Genghis Khan, the Mongol horde,
they were carnivores.
They ate, you know, horse meat,
they drank horse blood and fermented mare's milk,
very lactose intolerant, it had to be fermented.
And still to this day, persistently lactose intolerant.
Some of the more lactose intolerant people
in the world as a population,
and yet they have a lot of fermented dairy,
but they can't do the lactose.
And they obviously carved out the largest contiguous empire that's ever existed on earth.
And you read histories about Genghis Khan and the Mongols and a large portion of that
success was attributed to their diet.
They're extremely well fed. Even the most base fighter in the Mongol horde
had a lot of access to meat and high protein
and nutritious food while they were fighting
against these peasant armies that were just
already subjugated.
They were just eating a bunch of gruel.
They had a lot of health issues.
And they were just weaker and more frail
and just malnourished.
And they actually attribute a lot of their success
to how healthy the Mongol people were
because they were eating such good food.
It also was an advantage
because they didn't have to cook three times a day.
So they didn't have to stop their armies
and they didn't have all these cook fires going up.
As you can track an army in the horizon
by the smoke that's coming up, I go, okay,
see how fast those smoke clouds are moving.
They're gonna be here in three days.
Okay, we have three days to prepare.
You didn't have that with the Mongols.
They just showed up out of nowhere.
So they were eating raw meat?
They would eat raw meat.
They could cook it as well.
People are always saying about how you have to.
There's a thing now in Australia where
they're telling parents not to put lunch meat in their kids'
sandwiches because,
oh, we don't have refrigeration.
So it could be like three hours before going.
I was just rotting, go to hell.
I'm like, are you out of your mind?
No one's ever brought a sandwich to school or work before.
It's like, this is the first time this has ever happened.
The Mongols would take a raw piece of meat
and put it under their saddle and ride on it for several days
to tenderize it.
Wow. And then they'd eat it. How savage. And they it for several days to tenderize it. Wow.
And then they'd eat it.
How savage.
And they could go five days without eating,
eat 10 pounds of horse meat,
and then ravage the countryside for another five days
and do it again.
And they could drink blood as well.
The Maasai drink blood and they just sort of pop
a little hole in a vein and drain some blood
and they drink that and it keeps you going.
It's amazing nutrition. and it's a renewable resource
as well.
They're eating grass or turning it into blood,
you're drinking the blood and you just keep going.
It's like milking them and you do it in a rotation
so you're not overdoing it but it works very well
and they were much taller and healthier
and more robust as well.
And so yeah, so it's, I think you'll find
that in populations, any population,
you go back to eating that way,
the kids will be taller and smarter
and have bigger brains.
We saw this in cats.
There's a very famous doctor named Dr. Pottinger.
And Dr. Price, I mentioned before,
there's an organization called
the Price-Pottinger Foundation carrying on his work. And Pottinger is this other guy, Dr. Pottinger, who randomly was my mom's
doctor as a kid in California at one point and said you need to feed, I mean
I don't remember the health issues she was having at the time, basically said
she needs to eat raw meat or raw liver and every day she had to have some raw
liver every single day and actually sorted out her issues.
Wow.
And he did a study with cats for several years,
many years, probably 14 or some years,
and looking at nutrition because they're studying
tuberculosis and he thought that tuberculosis
had something to do with the adrenals.
In fact, it has to do with diet.
Pre and post agriculture, pre-agriculture, you don't see any signs of tuberculosis had something to do with the adrenals. In fact, it has to do with diet. Pre and post agriculture, pre-agriculture,
you don't see any signs of tuberculosis infections.
Post agriculture, immediately you
saw signs of tuberculosis in the spine of the fossils
and things like that.
And then Dr. Jay Salisbury, who was a New York doctor
in the 1800s, did a 30-year research project
into the optimal diet for human beings.
He was living with the native Americans,
seeing that they were just really healthy with, you know, just eating meat,
they were living to be 110, 115 years old. And they're like, Oh, well, that's,
that's far fetched. And I was like, well, actually it's not,
because I was taught in genetics class 20 plus years ago that we are designed
based on the length of our telomeres and our chromosomes, genetically,
we're designed to live 120 years on average.
So people actually just living to be 115, 120 years old,
that's actually normal.
That should be how long we live.
But we're dying in our 60s and 70s and 80s
and calling that a good life
because we're sickening ourselves for decades
and eating these low grade poison
and not getting proper nutrition
and our bodies are just failing 40 years early,
50 years early sometimes.
So he was looking at, and Salisbury actually found
that when you put people on just a pure red meat and water,
this is long before processed foods and garbage,
you cut out the grains and the vegetables
and just eat red meat and water.
He could reverse autoimmunity like rheumatoid arthritis
and Crohn's, reverse gout, and even tuberculosis.
He was actually finding that he was getting people
healing from tuberculosis,
which was a major killer back then
by putting them on a pure red and water diet.
And so Pottinger was looking at the adrenals.
And so he was taking, doing an adrenalectomy,
which they took out the adrenal glands from these cats
and we're gonna expose them to TB
and sort
of see what happened.
But all the cats were dying and so they couldn't figure out what was going on.
People were sort of passing in strays before they all spayed neutered animals back then.
So there was a lot of strays.
So they're getting like a lot of cats, more cats than they knew what to do with.
And they sort of had more than they needed.
Mostly they were cooking the meat and giving it to the cats.
They're still just giving it meat,
but they were cooking it.
And then they sort of, it was just sort of for time management.
They're like, all right, well, we have too many cats.
We'll cook as much as we can,
but then we'll give just raw meat to the rest of them.
The raw meat ones all survived.
All the cooked meat ones died, raw meat ones left.
And they're like, okay, well, what the hell is going on?
And they switch the focus of his research to,
okay, what nutrients are you losing something
when you cook meat?
And they found that, yes, you do.
You lose taurine, you lose glutamine,
you lose other sorts of things.
And taurine is essential to cats.
And so they have to have raw meat.
And so they looked at it and they found
that the raw meat group, there's a lot to this,
but I'll paraphrase and get to the high notes. the raw meat group, there's a lot to this, but I'll paraphrase
and get to the high notes.
The raw meat group was extremely healthy,
generation after generation after generation,
big strong animals, perfectly formed cheekbones,
big brains for a cat and proper bone density,
all that sort of stuff.
And the cooked meat cats, same meat, it's just cooked,
were much less healthy.
And the next generation, they were smaller.
They weighed less, they had like about half the bone density,
their brains were smaller,
their cheekbones weren't as developed,
and they weren't as interested in play,
they weren't as interested in mating.
The next generation, they were even sicker, even smaller,
less developed facial structures, even smaller brain,
and their bones were so soft
because they only had about 3% bone mineralization.
Same amount of calcium.
The calcium doesn't cook out,
but because of how this changed the nutrients
and how the body processed these nutrients,
their bone mineralization was down around 3%.
And so their bones, they said, were so soft and flexible,
it was like foam rubber.
And so they could have dozens of fractures
and they were sterile at that point.
They couldn't have babies.
They weren't even interested in mating really,
but the ones who sort of did mate, couldn't get pregnant
or the few that did get pregnant had stillbirths.
So they couldn't make it past the third generation
on cooked meat.
And then they switched them to raw meat
and they got healthy again.
Now they didn't grow after that
because their growth plates were already closed.
So it would be like your grandparents
and you come to an area that had more access to food.
They are much more healthy,
but they're done growing at that point,
but their kids could benefit from that.
And so the cats were able to reproduce
and you'd think, well, the next generation,
they'll just be back in normal again.
No, it took four generations to breed back
to where the raw meat cats were.
So there's this multi-generational epigenetic knock-on effect
that happens when you aren't as healthy as you could be.
So it's actually a big impact.
So you're gonna be a lot taller
than your parents and your grandparents.
And if you eat properly, your kids are gonna be even bigger,
taller, smarter and stronger.
Their kids are gonna be even better as well.
And we're just gonna get taller and taller and taller
and better and better.
You know, genetically I should be six, seven, six, eight.
My grandfather on my father's side,
he and all his brothers were pushing seven feet tall.
Wow. And my dad all his brothers were pushing seven feet tall.
And my dad and his brothers are all from between 6'4 and 6'7.
So something happened there.
Yeah.
Me and my brothers, 5'10, 6'3 and 6'4.
So just three generations, we've just gotten a little bit shorter and a little bit shorter
and a little bit shorter.
And so why the hell is that? Well, we had this big plant-based push
throughout the 20th century.
When my dad was a young man,
they started pushing this whole cholesterol heart hypothesis,
you shouldn't eat fatty meat, all that sort of stuff.
And so he took that very seriously
and we ate meat,
but we trimmed off all the fat and we had like whole grains
and all that sort of, and milk and skim milk and grains.
So we were just eating the fatty pig diet,
so like fattened up pigs in the 1930s,
that's what we grew up on.
He read Dr. Pritikin's book,
which was all about just eating basically no meat,
but certainly no fat, and how important that was.
And so that's how we grew up.
And my little brother really wasn't a fan of meat.
He mostly ate white rice with tempura sauce.
That was all you could get him to eat as a kid.
And he's 5'10".
I'm 6'3", my brother is 6'4".
And, you know, when I was 18,
I wrestled that 215 pound weight class.
My little brother was 148 weight class.
Holy crap.
Yeah, big difference.
Huge.
Yeah, and I always loved meat.
I always wanted to eat a lot of meat.
I also didn't have braces,
neither did my brother or my sister.
My oldest, one of my sisters who decides
she wanted to go vegetarian as a teenager
and my younger brother who basically just didn't eat enough
and just ate a bunch of rice,
they were the only two people in my family
that needed braces.
Wow.
And now we know in the dentistry journals
that crooked teeth are not genetic.
It is developmental and mostly nutritional.
And also, if you're chewing on soft food,
you're not stimulating your heart pal in your jaw
to grow properly.
So you need to be chewing on not sticks like a gorilla,
but something firm enough to trigger that growth response,
which is meat.
I swear to God.
Yeah, and get the fat-soluble nutrients that you need,
which is really important.
Absolutely.
Dr. Anthony, it's been a blast.
Where can people find you, your work,
and what you got coming up next, man?
Yeah, so thank you very much for having me.
It's a pleasure.
And I have a YouTube channel and an Instagram.
It's just my name, Anthony Chafee MD.
You can find a lot more on this subject.
And I have a podcast called The Plant Free MD,
and that's available on any podcast platform.
I'll be speaking at multiple,
I speak at medical conferences and different things.
The next one will be in Wyoming.
I'll be speaking in Spain and in England.
And I announce a lot of these things
on social media and Instagram,
so if people wanna come see me talk, they can do that.
Perfect, the link below, thanks for coming on.
Awesome, thanks man. That was awesome.
You said it.
Thanks for watching guys, see you next time.