Digital Social Hour - The Dark Side of NFL Coaching – What They Don’t Tell You! I Cassius Marsh DSH #506

Starting point is 00:00:00 Dude, coaching is tough, especially now. They don't really give coaches a whole lot of time to find success and build a culture and change. Two years, if you haven't started to show that you can have some sort of success, then you're on your way out. Coaches, dude, they don't sleep. A lot of them sleep at the facilities. They sacrifice a ton of time with their families. I could never do it. Wherever you guys are watching this show,

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Starting point is 00:00:47 Appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me. Yeah, dude, you got quite the journey, right? NFL and the sports cards and the Magic the Gathering. Yeah, yeah, I've been able to do a lot of things, man. I'm blessed. You wear a lot of hats. When I found out you did Magic the Gathering and the NFL, I thought that was the most interesting dynamic I've ever heard. It is. It was, you know, when people kind of initially found out about me playing, it was really interesting because the way that it all went down is i had like a twenty thousand dollar collection stolen stolen yeah stolen from um from like a club an ex of mine went took my car and i had my backpack in there all the cars got hit and my backpack had like six seven decks in it that were all magic decks and like i think it's more like 30 or 40k now in value but yeah back then it was like 20k in value and i

Starting point is 00:01:32 tweeted about it and it just blew up um because i i told i was basically like trying to get the thief to give it you know to give it back and i was going to give him seahawks tickets yeah for the rest of the season did you find out who did it no no i wonder if they knew how much they were worth i honestly the the way that i i thought about it i think you know he probably saw like the cardboard box full of cards and might even just throwing it in the trash yeah because you would have seen it sold on ebay or something at least yeah yeah and one of the local cart you know it blew up so like one of the local card shops like somebody would have you know had it brought to them if they knew that they knew what they had that's a shame so did you have to rebuild from

Starting point is 00:02:11 zero from there um i had a little bit of dude honestly the community and that's another really cool part about magic the gathering is the community is incredibly like giving and supportive of just their people like if you're a legit person and in the community they they they get behind people and i had so much stuff get sent to the facility oh wow yeah wizards of the coast came out and gave me a bunch of stuff to to open like sealed stuff old stuff and um you know they i was able to connect with a lot of people through through the game that's dope so it's it's been a blessing it's been a cool part of like my journey outside of you know football yeah yeah we'll dive into football are you more of a collector or do you battle with the cards oh i play oh you've been playing magic since i was 11 damn it's by far the most complicated game um it's like the game strategy

Starting point is 00:03:10 theory it's you have to be very sharp to be good yeah to be good um and like a lot of the best a lot of the best magic players end up being poker players because you know the uh the game theory and you know analysis and stuff is there so uh yeah it's it's an incredibly good game i've been playing since i was really young and it's been one of those things that helped me off the field like stay out of trouble um you know instead of going out on friday nights i was at friday night magic i love that playing until like two in the morning. Yeah I love that. So yeah you pretty much got to anticipate their cards right that's why it's so intense. Yeah so it's it's like the knowledge of all the cards that you can see in certain situations and

Starting point is 00:03:55 like it's very timing based you know if like misplays are very easy to you know it's it's easy to misplay within the game, especially when the margin for error when you're playing really good players is tiny. Yeah, so if you make one mistake, you pretty much lost. It could cost you. Yeah, it could cost you the game. Yeah, it's basically, like, who's able to anticipate? There's, like, things that happen at instant speed.

Starting point is 00:04:23 So, like, I don't know it's kind it's hard to it's hard to you know break down like uh i've seen yugioh so is it basically like you have a set amount of hit points right and then you play cards and you attack and try to kill other cards right right but there's also ways to like just straight up win the game and then you can make somebody draw all of their cards or you can do infinite loops that basically like you have infinite life or you create infinite um like there's one deck that basically makes the game go in limbo damn and like nobody wins that sounds annoying to play yeah there's i mean there's some really like toxic people that play magic the gather like

Starting point is 00:05:03 they get off on do they do those kind kind of decks get banned in tournaments though? Yeah, they have a committee that handles all that kind of stuff. Anything that's bad for the game, they ban in competitive play and try and keep it clean and fun for everybody. Yeah, I know Yu-Gi-Oh bans even certain cards if you're too overpowered. Have you ever won a tournament no you know i've never i've never gone to try and be really competitive at it um i think the competitive side of magic is uh it's it's a grind bro it's like anything super competitive you know what i mean like when you're playing ball like when you're even playing football like i love

Starting point is 00:05:43 that game so much but it's incredibly intense right you know what ball, like even playing football, like I love that game so much, but it's incredibly intense. But you know what I mean? Like just playing the game. So like you have to be mentally prepared. You've got to be practicing. You've got to take it seriously. And so I haven't yet taken the time to try and really compete at a high level. But one day. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. When you were transitioning out of football, was that a tough process for you yeah man it um it is it's a really tough process to uh change your way of life you know I was I played ball since I was a young kid um obviously high school you know but from college on is where I think you know guys really lock in and take things um you know try and start be learn how to be professional so you know things, you know, try and start be, learn how to be professional. So, you know, 12 years, you know, almost 12, like 12, 14 years, I was locked in on, on being a football player,

Starting point is 00:06:33 everything I did in life, you know, my routine, how I ate, how I lived, you know, revolved around football. So figuring out how I was going to transition into, you know, business and, you know, life after ball and what I wanted to do, what I was passionate about, you know, it took time and there's a lot of mental stuff that comes with, you know, the NFL and that, that the life that we live, cause you're not, it's, it's such a short timetable that you're able to succeed in. So a lot of the things that might hold, make you take some time and rethink, you don't really have that time available. Absolutely. You got to lock in and get the most out of it. And you probably felt like you had more to give to the game, right?

Starting point is 00:07:19 Definitely, bro. I went and did a sprint workout yesterday. And I was just like. Flying. I was just like, yo, I am a complete freaking nature for what? You know what I mean? Like, where do I put all this, you know? But, like, I've been playing some pickup basketball games, which has been fun. I'm so down, bro.

Starting point is 00:07:37 That's my game. I love hooping, bro. It's just the competitive side of things, like, I fiend for that. Like, even just talking about, like, hooping for a second like gave me chills yeah yeah because i just you know i've always been extremely competitive so i have a ton of fun with uh with anything you know magic or i love that yeah you hear that from a lot of athletes though because the average career is three years in nfl and when i when i had tj ward on yesterday he played eight years and similar to you he felt like he had more to give to the game in other few years.

Starting point is 00:08:06 Yeah. Well, you know, you get a little bit older and then you get expensive, you know. And then, like, teams and the league decide, you know, this guy's, you know, too expensive or, you know what I mean. And they also, they're trying to build a culture and then, you know, it's, it's, there's a whole. Are you interested in coming on the digital social hour podcast as a guest? We'll click the application link below in the description of this video. We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to you about business and life. Click the application link below. And here's the episode episode guys there's a whole politics behind

Starting point is 00:08:45 behind the the nfl and all that kind of stuff but dude tj was was a great player and he definitely had more years to play you know like guys who analyze the game who know the game like tj was was playing at a really high level yeah yeah it's a shame to see that man injuries and just politics it's tough and the business side of things yeah it sounds super cutthroat and i saw you say on the rick glassman show that even coaches are not to be trusted dude so i have a quick shout out to my boy michael bennett he was a pro ball defensive end that played for the seattle seahawks and he was like uh one of my mentors him and cliff averill and he had this funny saying that he he's very vocal guy yeah um very educated both of his parents were like professors and um so you know he's highly educated so he spoke his mind and he would walk through like the locker room and

Starting point is 00:09:37 meetings and he would say stuff like coaches get you cut and he would say it in front of the coaches you know what i mean and i just thought it was the craziest thing like you know i'm like and he was he was super high paid he was great player so you know we're like you know if anybody can get away with it it's him but like he would walk into our meeting and be like yeah i'm not listening to no coaches today you know even at practice he was but he was good enough but he was so good because the things that he taught me and Cliff taught me and Brandon Mebane and Bruce Irvin and all these guys that played with me, the things they taught me were far more valuable than anything any of the coaches taught me. Wow. Way more valuable.

Starting point is 00:10:17 I learned how to play the game from those guys. Bobby Wagner, K.J. Wright, Cam Chancellorl thomas richard sherman those are the guys that taught me how to be professional that taught me how to play the game how to study the game the coaches they just give you the game plan you know what i mean but how to execute the techniques how to be get better how to build yourself that stuff comes from from your vets from the vets yeah and tj was even saying there's so many young teams now some of them don't even have vets well yeah that because ultimately coaches are very they have huge egos bro coaches huge huge egos um i won't talk in any about any of them individually

Starting point is 00:11:03 but yeah they can't even give them like critique or anything but yeah. So you can't even give them critique or anything? No. You don't get to critique coaches, man. No matter – and I've seen it. You've had great players that know the game extraordinarily well or are very intelligent, and they'll try and talk to – you just can't speak to coaches. They're the coach.

Starting point is 00:11:24 You're the player. You do as they're they're the coach you're the player you do as they're told and you need that right you need the chain of command um you know in any business organization but uh yeah that is interesting man because you played on eight different teams so for you to say that i mean it's not a coincidence it's happening everywhere it is it is happening everywhere and you know it's even it goes even further is that like certain organizations are ran very well and certain organizations are ran terribly right is it based off money mainly the richer ones i don't think so like jacksonville like has one of the the richest owners and um they just struggled man yeah you know they've struggled for a while honestly yeah and and

Starting point is 00:12:00 they're a newer franchise too so it's you know um and like I, you know, I had fun out there. It was what it was. But, you know, some of these organizations, you know, some of it might have to do with money. Some of it might have to do with just, you know, how they how they set up the infrastructure, man. It's really down to like, you know, the GM and then all your scouts and how they process talent and how they bring them in how you develop talent you know how you evaluate coaches how you evaluate players it's complex i think from a coach's point of view it's one of the most stressful jobs in the world coaching yeah just because their timetable is like not a lot of them last dude coaching is tough yeah i i do also see from that side of things like why they are the way they are because the pressure is especially now they don't

Starting point is 00:12:52 really give coaches a whole lot of time to like find success and build a culture and like change yeah maybe two years and that's it two years if you haven't started to show that you've had like you know that you can have some sort of success like after two years, then you're on your way out, you know. And I see the same thing with like young quarterbacks and young players. Like it's it's performed now or it's really hard, you know, on the back end. So coaches do they don't sleep. They sleep. A lot of them sleep at the facilities. They sacrifice a ton of time with their families.

Starting point is 00:13:27 I could never do it. Maybe at a smaller level, helping pass rushers hone their craft or going to UCLA and working with those guys a little bit or whatever. But the daily grind of they're in the office like five six in the morning you know and they're there till like 10 10 11 at night so like that's why a lot of these guys just you know during the season especially just sleep at the facilities wow i never knew that man yeah like bill belichick would set up like his office was set up so that he could sleep there and he did like very often yeah yeah do you think him not having success after Brady is kind of hurting his reputation?

Starting point is 00:14:09 This is an interesting conversation right here, because I don't know how much you know or, like, if you've seen, but, like, I said some things about the Patriots after I had left. Oh, no, I didn't see that. Okay, so I said some things about the Patriots. Basically, long story short, I said that they didn't have fun in their organization right now obviously they had fun winning games ultimately winning super bowls nothing more fun more satisfying great but i was just talking about like their day-to-day and coming from seattle where it was all about like family and like

Starting point is 00:14:41 competition and like having a good time and feel good rah rah and then we went over there it was like military like nothing you say matters structure you know it was it was very it was a very difficult transition looking back at it i could have absolutely handled it much much much better but anyways when i left i said something like you know the patriots don't have fun um and so it's always been a thing that people want to ask me about, like my time with the Patriots and, like, how I see Bill Belichick and how I see that organization. Bill Belichick is an amazing coach. He is incredibly smart.

Starting point is 00:15:18 He knows the game better than anybody else. The way he handles his players might have not aged very well you know and maybe that's why tom left a little bit early you know rob retired early yeah um and and that's happened but i mean i don't think brady if brady went to a different coach like if it wasn't brady billichick i don't think brady is who he is today really right because he won on the box yeah well he also won i'm not saying i'm not saying brady does isn't isn't great right yeah and he's found success without bill belichick he's the go no no hands down but i think that going to bill belichick initially coming out the way that he demands perfection and pushes you and never like nothing is ever good but you are just doing

Starting point is 00:16:07 your if you're winning and you're succeeding that's what's expected and i think the combination of having um tom in that situation is is why they were able to get you know the six championships and and and go and do what they were able to do you It is a little bit crazy to see that Bill hasn't had very much success since Tom left, but Tom's the goat. I think a lot of people would struggle with a transition like that. For sure. I think people expected that, but to this degree, I think that's where the conversation is

Starting point is 00:16:43 because they're not winning many games right now well you know he's he's not coaching now i thought it was really interesting that he didn't get a job oh is he out now he so they they moved on from him the patriots moved on you know i think they you know i didn't know that you know he passed it down to a former player mayo um to rod mayo he was a great player and like we'll see what he's he's able to do but you know there was a good amount of head coaching vacancies and you know he didn't he didn't get hired you know which is that's the problem you would think like the league would just jump everybody in the league would jump at the opportunity to six rings yeah to hire bill belichick um but you never know what goes behind that you know he could have other plans you know

Starting point is 00:17:29 he could want to take some time he's been coaching non-stop right really long time absolutely did you have a favorite year favorite team during your tenure yeah i mean i really enjoyed my time with both the seahawks and the 49ers i think pittsburgh is a great organization i like my time with both the Seahawks and the 49ers. I think Pittsburgh's a great organization. I liked my time with the Bears. My favorite team would probably be probably my second or third year with the Seattle Seahawks. Like I just, we had such an amazing group of guys, like of human beings, just high level, all time greats, especially on the defensive side of the ball. And I just learned so much from those guys. And I'm so grateful for that time. And I feel like in those years is when I really developed into the player, you know, who I would would be.

Starting point is 00:18:18 So those those are the times that I truly cherish. You know, I had some good times in San Francisco with some teammates, some great teammates, too. But when I got there, they were young. Like Fred Warner was a rookie when I got there. And now he's, you know, the best linebacker in the league. Did you see that in him when you. He was really good. OK.

Starting point is 00:18:36 On like. But you see crazy talent all the time. Yeah. So it's about how you build, build yourself out, build out your regimen, build out what your work ethic looks like, how you can process information, how you can grow. Can you take coaching? Can you take adversity? Can you stay healthy? A lot of factors. So many things that factor into the success of a football player. Yeah. Where were you on the talent scale? Did you have a lot of raw talent or did you have the work ethic or both i think i had both i think what got in my way was uh i was emotionally

Starting point is 00:19:10 immature i let my emotions get in my way a lot um specifically with the patriots um so you weren't starting and you were pissed well i was starting so here i'll tell you just the quick thing that what happened because people don't really know what happened when i was with with the patriots so i went over there totally different culture you know but i was locked in playing well making plays for the team i got like speared on my shoulder and I had like a little separation this was right before the bi-week right so I got I had they then they checked me out and they said like oh it's grade two blah you know separated shoulder and you know I just went about like moved forward well I we went on the bi-week and I went home you know it was my uncle's funeral so I really had to go

Starting point is 00:20:04 home but I got treatment every day and I came home. You know, it was my uncle's funeral. So I really had to go home. But I got treatment every day. And I came back and my shoulder was still bothering me. And they didn't give me an MRI initially. So I asked for one. The moment I asked for an MRI, they took me off all the starting rolls. They had me doing like practice service. What? And, you know, I was hurt hurt and they wouldn't let me get treatment

Starting point is 00:20:26 during practice they made me stand out there with like shoulder pads on and so i don't know what the i don't know what the purpose of of that was but i really struggled with that and this is where like i really started to mentally like kind of break a little bit yeah and then we went to play a game in Mexico City and we spent though the week prior in uh practicing at Air Force Academy and basically coach Belichick said like your practice habits need to improve now mind you I was always practicing like at a very high level that was something that I was taught very early so but I was like okay you want to talk about my practice habits like this week I'm going crazy like I won get blocked. And that week I had an amazing week of practice. I did not get blocked. I did service team. I did all my reps, like was, was locked in. Um, and then

Starting point is 00:21:16 the next game came and they gave me one play in the first half. And the way they went about it was crazy because like, I was waiting, like, and you could tell went about it was crazy because like i was waiting like and you could tell the coaches like we're like it was it just it just the energy was off they put me in for one play and and took me out wow and i didn't it's not like i went in there did anything wrong was a regular play and it almost seemed like a like a sign or like a a sign you know what i mean like they were trying to tell me something you you know what I mean? And that, that moment just, uh, it honestly, it broke me and I reacted to it and was far too emotional. And I called a meeting with bill and I called him out on some stuff. And that led to me, you know, being released from, from, from the Patriots. Wow. Well,

Starting point is 00:22:04 I called a bill, a meeting with bill and basically called him out on all these things. You don't do that. You know what I mean? You don't challenge him. I'm in no position to speak to Bill Belichick about, you know, how he's choosing to coach me and coach his team. You know, he is Bill Belichick. You know, I'm just a, you know, fourth-year player and, you know,

Starting point is 00:22:26 have had success, but, you know, I'm just a, you know, fourth year player and, you know, you know, have had success, but, uh, you know, I'm, I'm not Tom Brady. I'm not Rob Gronkowski, you know what I mean? I'm not, not even a couple, you know, not just below that at that point in time. So, um, you know, I should have looking back, I absolutely should have just controlled my emotions and ate it. And, you know, I probably would have ended up in a lot better position it ended up biting me um throughout the rest of my career because any any like gm or coach that came from the patriots organization from that point forward like just they're stared clear of me and there's probably a ton of them yeah of course i mean yeah you have any sort of success like people are going to hire people that win you know so um i think what kept me from a higher level of success like people are going to hire people that win you know so um i think what kept me from a higher level of success in the nfl was emotional maturity damn that's that's insane because you had

Starting point is 00:23:12 the talent right so it wasn't that i was definitely very talented and i loved the work and i love to compete and i always made plays um but i definitely got in my own way yeah it's cool to see you admit that though because some players that would happen and you know what I mean. And they make excuses. Excuses are the worst thing in the world, bro. I hate excuses. I'm not a fan of them when people make them.

Starting point is 00:23:34 It's just, they're useless. It's such a huge waste of time. You know what I mean? Anything within your control is your fault. Facts, yeah. A lot of people have victim mentality though yeah yeah yeah that's that's a whole nother conversation i want to get into that one so yeah how many years were you at ucla for four years oh all

Starting point is 00:23:55 four years played four years started four years at ucla you didn't want to drive go bruins i did and you funny my coach convinced me that he would do all these things like help me like uh make more plays in my senior year he did none of them um you know but uh yeah I could have left my junior year and decided to stay and you know uh my time at UCLA was great bro I played with some amazing players shout outs to you know Anthony Barr Eric Kendricks, Brett Hundley was our quarterback. Kenny Clark's Pro Bowl level nose guard in the NFL. He's honestly all pro level. Miles Jack, Jordan Zumbleway.

Starting point is 00:24:36 He had so many great players on that team. And I'm still really, really close friends with a lot of those guys. Nice. Love my time at UCLA. And, you know, we finally hired, uh, like a really good coach over there. Oh yeah. Deshaun Foster. Oh, shout out quarterback in Notre Dame. No, Deshaun Foster was a running back for, uh, for UCLA.

Starting point is 00:24:54 And then he went to the league, he played like eight years. He was like pro bowl level, uh, running back, great player, great guy. And they finally hired him over there. So like all of the UCLA alum are, are very excited. Nice. You know, that alum are very excited. Nice. That's cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, to see former players, like, who was the guy at that Colorado,

Starting point is 00:25:11 the big quarterback? I forget. Colorado hired him. Hired a quarterback? It was the – he's, like, a Hall of Fame quarterback, isn't he? I don't know. I don't know. Went all over the news.

Starting point is 00:25:24 I forget. I don't know. They hired, know. Went all over the news. I forgot. I don't know. They hired like Warren Sapp over there too. Like, you know, it's, you know, I won't say that being a player makes you a better coach because either you can coach or you can't. But like having the experience and the respect that you gain from like the, from your players is instant when you're, you know, somebody who's achieved everything that they're looking to achieve. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:49 Definitely the respect factor for sure. What do you think about the NCAA in general? Because I see a lot of people talking negatively about it. Dude, the NCAA is crazy. I mean, you think about players are just now getting the ability to make money. You know, when I was in college, bro, I was broke. You know, I had people that had to help me out, like getting me Chipotle gift cards. Wow.

Starting point is 00:26:15 You know, we were supposed to survive off like $1,400 a month in Westwood. Damn. You know what I mean? And mind you, you you know we're all trying to invest in our bodies and and like you know eat good and like live you know live good um and we were we were just broke i mean it was when i first got to ucla we had to tweet in order to get new socks like our equipment staff was giving us like hand-me-down socks just crazy the life that like some college players experience.

Starting point is 00:26:48 And we're in college football. College football and basketball make the most money and get like the most preferential treatment. But like I can't imagine what it's like for like, you know, smaller school, you know, playing a sport with like less significance. You know what I mean? Like the NCAA really takes advantage of of kids man that's brutal and their likeness and everything like that so it's yeah yeah the nil is kind of a good thing man it's a great it's so like the nil thing is is is a little bit like i'm conflicted on it because i think i think it's great i players needed – they needed to find a way to pay these college players.

Starting point is 00:27:27 Like, you look back, you go look at, like, Reggie Bush. You know how many number five jerseys USC probably sold? Tens of millions of dollars. I mean, crazy money. Matt Leinart. All the – I mean, you think – I think about SC because when I grew up, SC was so dominant. That was like my. I loved USC.

Starting point is 00:27:46 I wanted to go there initially. You just think about all these great players and the amount of money that all these colleges are making. Players aren't touching any of that money. Even go back to Bo Jackson. You talk about all these great players and what they've done for all these universities. What do the universities do for them? They tell you what you've done, what they've done for all these universities like what do the universities do for them they tell you that you know what you've done like what they've done to pay you is give you an education yeah which they never use which yeah which which either you

Starting point is 00:28:15 don't use and whether you use it or not is is irrelevant to me like what's the most like a what's the most tuition a year that that like what harvard's like maybe what's 70k something like that 70 80k a year so you're telling me that like these players that are bringing in millions of dollars you paid them 80k a year and like that's that's the exchange you know and and it's and it's on education so it's not even money in their pocket you know so it's pretty wild so if the college makes a ton of like when they sell tickets to a game is the ncaa eating some of that ncaa i don't know how exactly the ncaa gets like paid from each college but the the i mean the ncaa i don't know

Starting point is 00:28:57 what the money from the ncaa where it goes yeah you know i don't know like all the money that they've made over years and years of college football like i don't know where it goes yeah you know i don't know like all the money that they've made over years and years of college football like i don't know where it goes yeah i wonder what kind of job jobs people are even doing there you know like and is it is i don't even i'm not familiar if it's a non-profit or not like uh yeah it's just it's it's just crazy bro and the rules that they make like keeping players in a position where they're broke and just regular students, it's just crazy to me. But now that NIL is here, it's changing the whole landscape. UCLA right now, we signed zero players out of high school on National Signing Day. Zero.

Starting point is 00:29:38 What? Because we have no NIL money. Whoa. And if you're a UCLA alumni and and you're watching this then you need to hit me up it's time to get some time to put get put get some money to ucla so we get some of these kids so now it's like a pay-to-play almost it is absolutely pay-to-play wow it is absolutely pay-to-play you want the top players in the country you're gonna have to pay them i wonder if that's why alabama's taking a step back maybe they don't have much they have the money they have the they're like their alumni and their their support system like

Starting point is 00:30:10 alabama's if you talk to any other alabama player like they may not admit it on camera but like those guys were were being very well taken care of like they were good and the way they build out like their facilities and their support for their players was incredible before, you know, NIL. But it will, you know, kind of even the landscape now, you know, because, you know, Alabama was getting away with whatever they were getting away with. But now every every team can go in and pay, you know, players. So like, you know, University of Tennessee's got a ton of money. Universities in Texas has a ton of money. Like, you know, a lotennessee's got a ton of money universes texas has a ton of money like you know a lot of these universities have a lot of money so things are going to even

Starting point is 00:30:49 out you know but it's also going to be unfortunate for some of the lower level schools you know they won't get like the big time players i do like it though because a lot of these kids are dedicating their whole lives to this they're hiring coaches trainers spending a ton of money so for them to get paid finally because a lot of them won't go pro also that is the other you know that's the other great thing about the nil thing too is that like now players can build them build up their own brand and almost create like their own business and and create something bigger than you know just themselves as players like with the money that they earn as a player is one thing but being able to create a brand and get paid and and learn how to like build your own business you know through your likeness i think that's a valuable tool for

Starting point is 00:31:30 a lot of these players and you know you're seeing guys transition into like um i was watching on the way over here uh this kid named max brown he's now doing podcasting and like has his own like you know um little show that he does about football and evaluating quarterbacks but like he was number one player in the country went to sc five star like supposed to be like the next coming and dude he didn't even splash in the league damn you know and uh but he was able to transition in the podcast you know and and and find a a new way to um you know monetize yeah to monetize and just to like just a new passion you know and and find a a new way to um you know monetize yeah to monetize and just to like just a new passion you know just we're all we're all looking for purpose and you know i think football

Starting point is 00:32:13 players especially like we thrive for we we want structure absolutely we want structure we want to work towards something we're goal oriented we're competitive and i think that's why a lot of football players translate well athletes in general but football players especially translate very well in the business world i love that cassius it's been fun man anything you want to promote or close off with yeah man appreciate you having me on i really um it was awesome great conversation um but if you are into trading cards and collectibles check out out CashCardsUnlimited.com. We sell Pokemon, Magic the Gathering, sports cards, everything collectible you can think of. And check us out on TikTok, social medias, everything like that.

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