Digital Social Hour - The Dark Truth About Podcast Manipulation: Host Reveals All | Lindsey Graham DSH #1097

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

🎙️ A former podcast host breaks her silence and reveals the disturbing truth about podcast manipulation, toxic practices, and the dark side of the industry. Get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at how certain shows exploit guests, manipulate environments, and profit from degrading content.   In this eye-opening interview, discover shocking revelations about: - Hidden manipulation tactics used against guests - The truth about show production methods - How certain hosts profit from harmful content - The real impact on women in the industry - The intersection of faith, politics, and podcasting   This powerful conversation goes beyond surface-level drama to expose concerning industry practices that everyone should know about. Our guest shares personal experiences and insider knowledge that will change how you view certain popular podcasts forever.   Warning: This interview contains mature themes and discusses sensitive topics including manipulation and exploitation in the podcast industry.   #PodcastIndustry #MediaTruth #BehindTheScenes #PodcastHost #MediaManipulation   #news #cheatingwifestories #podcast #whateverpodcast #modernwomen   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:30 - My Freedom Cart 01:38 - Today's Sponsor 05:01 - Specialized Recruiting Group 05:56 - The Whatever Show 06:50 - Matt's Debate School 09:38 - Debate with Myron Gaines 12:32 - Psychology of the Show 15:25 - Christian Presence in Conservatism 18:00 - When Life Begins 19:04 - Abortion Statistics 20:06 - Nefarious: Merchant of Souls 21:09 - Closing Thoughts   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Lindsey Graham https://www.instagram.com/the.patriot.barbie   SPONSORS: SPECIALIZED RECRUITING GROUP: https://www.srgpros.com/   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/

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Alright guys Patriot Barbie part two we are at Amfest and you got a booth here yourself. I do Yeah, I got a vendor booth not a podcast, not as fun, but it's like a little bit of work this time. It's kind of rough. Which one of your companies is that for? My Freedom Cart booth. Nice. What do you sell? So we refer people to shop Made in America toxic free products, kind of like the conservative Amazon. And I had a bunch of girls fly in from Ohio, California. So we're, we're having

a good time. Nice. Shout out to Masa. They're made in America. Oh, are they? Yeah. Awesome. See, there's a movement, right? There is a movement of people who are saying, let's get our dollars back into American dollars.

And everyone says, oh, it's so hard to find stuff. But it's really not if you're actively looking. Right. So you're a fan of these tariffs, son. I am. I think I am. Yeah, I think I am. I got to read into it more.

But anything Donald Trump wants to do is probably going to make me agree. Anything to bring American jobs, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm a fan of that. I think people on the left are not a fan of the tariffs for the most part. And I know it's going to change a lot. I know it's going to change pricing on some things, but wouldn't you rather pay a little

bit more and know that you're funding your fellow Americans' jobs and their homes and their lifestyles than overseas? Also a quality thing too. I'd rather pay a little more knowing the quality is most likely better. Right. Right. Not coming from a factory in China with little regulations. I agree. I agree. Some of them are sweatshops.

Yep. Yep. And then there's the whole, yeah, like child labor laws and who's making your clothes and are they doing it under duress? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You're going to be talking politics at the Christmas dinner table? Of course. It's always I'll be wearing my MAGA hat. My whole family, though, is conservative. I was be wearing my MAGA hat. My whole family though is conservative.

I was raised conservative. Oh really? Oh, okay. Yeah, so we have no problem. We've got a random like married in relative, you know, that might be, actually we have one specifically that's very democratic. So I'm like, we'll just, they live out of state, so. Let's pray for you.

Yeah, but you know, I'm not shy, so. Yeah, I don't talk about it with my family. You don't? No. Just my mom. Okay, are they conservative or is it with my family. You don't? No. Just my mom. Okay, are they conservative or is it? All of them are liberal. Oh no, that sucks!

Well, I grew up in Jersey, so. Okay, yeah. So here's my problem. We are expected to be like suppressed. We're expected to be quiet and like keep our hateful opinions to ourselves. But they'll be the ones to bring it up and they'll say what they want about like, oh, you know, it's a woman's choice and then you have to be quiet or you're the one causing the problem. And I'm like, that's not the way it works.

If you're going to be able to like sneak your little comments in, and this is of course not talking about my family because my family doesn't do this, then, but people all the time tell me, oh, my family's really liberal. I don't know what to say when they say this. I'm like, you speak up and say what you need to say. Cause if they're saying it, they obviously have no problem, you know, keeping their opinion themselves. Why do we have to keep our opinion to ourselves? Fair. That's crazy.

Did you have beef with the Whatever podcast? I wondered if you'd go there. Total beef. Look, I'm not a feminist, very much like a conservative, traditional woman, but there are some very, very toxic beliefs going on on that show. And my problem is not that they're not entitled to their own opinion. My problem is that I've been women empowerment my entire life. And I sat at the table with these women

and I watched them go from damaged to more damaged and I'm not okay with that. I know that they subjected themselves by going on the show but I don't think any woman really like goes on there thinking, I'm the one that's going to get annihilated and it's going to hurt me more than I realized. Like they think that they are very founded and grounded in their beliefs. But when they get there, it's not the debate. It's not about a debate. It's about like, what are you doing to these women? And they're allowing their viewers to pay

hundreds of dollars to leave like slanderous, inappropriate, hurtful comments to these women and they're allowing their viewers to pay hundreds of dollars to leave like slanderous inappropriate hurtful comments to these women. And I'm like, so you're in a way like you're, you're trafficking them, like you're pimping them because you're making money off other men degrading them. And I'm just, I'm not okay with that. So when someone donates, they read out the message. Yeah. Wow.

What if it's like the craziest message? They don't care. There's no, there's nothing you could, you could, it could be a sexual in, in, in connotation. Yeah. Wow. What if it's like the craziest message? They don't care. Oh really? There's no, there's nothing. You could, you could, it could be a sexual in, in, in connotation. It could be a curse word. It could be, I mean, think of like the worst thing you could say to a woman. They would totally read it out loud.

That's weird. Cause from like a host point of view, if someone gave me like 20 bucks and it was a bat, like a weird message, like that's not worth 20 bucks to me. Nope. You know what I mean? They want, it's all about the money for them. And it's all about the shock factor and the value and the views. So I mean, they're really not.

Here's the thing. Like with you, you've got a pretty open mind. You've got different guests. I've seen you've got different guests, you know, Democratic guests, different opinions, different views. And you're at least giving people a platform to like be able to think for themselves when they hear the different messages. These men are doing no good in the world. This show does no good. So like other than...

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amazing, red-pilled men are going and paying for these women for sex photos. Yeah. Like, there's no good that comes out of that show. None. Yeah, it's interesting. Plus, Andrew Wilson's a professional debater, so it's not fair for the girls on there to debate him. No.

And listen, women are smart, but I'm going to go ahead and say honestly that most 18, 19, 20 year old women are not smart because we haven't lived. I'm smarter obviously now at 43 than I was at 19 years old, right? For a, whatever he is, he looks 50, I don't know what he is, 50 year old man to like pride himself on dominating 19 year old girls. Is there really a lot of pride in that? I don't think so. Yeah. I'm not impressed with his debates there, but he is a good debater. I've seen him debate like actual people on his level and he's solid. I think he has a debate school. Like I think

he teaches debate. That sounds right. He's got a huge edge. And I'll give him that. He's a great debater, but again, I'm going to go back to like, does winning a debate do anything for anybody? Or is it really like, are you changing hearts? He claims to be a Christian. Are you changing hearts? Are you expanding the kingdom of God?

Are you bringing people to Jesus by debating them, by slandering them, by shaming them? Or like, you want to debate. Awesome. Like, what does that get you in life? I want to debate. I'm going to walk around telling everybody I want to debate. Did you and him go that get you in life? I want to debate. I'm gonna walk around and tell everybody I want to debate. Did you and him go out when you were on?

A little bit, yeah. He tried to shame me because I'm very open about my past in my 20s. I was in an abusive relationship. I was a dancer. I was a drug addict. I had an abortion, like really, really painful past. But I give glory to God for that on my Instagram.

Like I just praised the Lord that he came to me in the darkest depths of my life and He saved me. And now I use those pains for His glory, right, to tell people, this is why I speak out against abortion because I've had one. It's the most painful thing I've ever been through. I live with the regret. How do I use that to further the kingdom of God and help other women come to terms with, no matter where you are in life, God loves you.

And, you know, of course, he took every single aspect of that testimony, which is not Christian like, if you will. And he turned it against me and tried to shame me for it. And that is wrong because the gospel says that Jesus Christ died on the sin to forgive your sins and wash you clean, white as snow. And so for me to be washed clean by the Lord and then have this man come and say, you know, shame on you for this and you're manipulative of this and you're a terrible woman this and no man should have married you this. I'm like, that's not what my God tells me. So who in the world are you to sit there claiming to be a follower of Christ and do that to

women? Yeah, that's interesting. We all got a dark past. You know, it's, I don't think you should be living in shame shame for years. I think you should learn from it and move on. Right. And the ironic thing is Andrew Wilson has a horrific track record. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Oh my gosh, he's gotten women pregnant out of wedlock. Oh, wow. His first wife, I think. I don't want to get the story correct or not correct, but the wife he has now, she has kids from other daddies. Oh, wow. Demands child support from them, speaks out against child support, right?

And then he got another woman pregnant while he was dating her, married that chick, divorced that chick, went back to her and then got her pregnant and then married her. Like, wait a minute, traditional, remember how they claim to be the traditional man and woman? There's nothing traditional about that. And I don't shame him or her for that. But it's interesting that you would live a life that doesn't live up to the values you preach while shaming everyone else for theirs.

That's just hypocritical. Would you debate Myron Gaines from Fresh and Fit? He's coming later today. You know what? I don't debate anyone. You just have conversations. I just have conversations. Just have conversations. And I would have conversations with people who can be respectful.

But Andrew Wilson, for example, is not respectful. He doesn't come from a place of understanding or patience or love or kindness. He comes from like, I just want to look good by beating you on camera. And if I make money doing it, great. So I'm like, oh, well, then there's nothing really to be made there. What do you think of the other host, Brian? I think he's a really, really hurt individual.

Really? There's something going on. Yeah. He's hurt a lot of women. I've personally had testimony of women that he's abused. Whoa. That have come forward and said he's manipulated them into like working for him for free, claiming to have a relationship with them. So I think that, I don. Yeah. We'll see how long the red pill stuff lasts. I've already noticed a dip in views.

Right. Like pretty big dip. Yeah. So I don't know if it's going to phase out like the feminism movement, you know? Right. Right. Well, I think there's going to always be men that want to watch other men degrade women because they have something wrong in their past or something with women that they've

experienced. Right. So I think that's a big dip. I think that's a big dip. I think that's a big dip. I think that's a big dip. I think that's a big Well, I think there's going to always be men that want to watch other men degrade women because they have something wrong in their past or something with women that they've experienced too.

But it's got to be exhausting. It's got to be like unpleasant. I want to live a life of joy and happiness. I don't want to be like living a life where I get on a show, make a lot of money and just hurt people. That doesn't sound fun. And I think people are going to be over that really quick. Yeah.

I look for win-wins and whatever I do. If the other party's not winning or feeling good about the situation to me, like it's one sided, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I went on the whatever thinking I'm going to get these amazing sound bits of like me dominating these, these 19 year old girls, right? Yeah.

And, um, the interesting thing is they had us meet outside the podcast at a very sharp time. And they didn't let us in for like 25 minutes. But during that time, I actually met these other girls. And as soon as you have that human connection, I was like, I don't want to hurt these women. I don't want to be like known for like, I put you in your place.

I like annihilated you. I don't want that to be my legacy And so as I got to know them like one of them specifically that she was pierced out She had vampire ears and the green hair. She identified as dating a tree. I was like School is seriously has issues. I don't want to hurt her. I don't want to make her life worse Yeah, like I don't want to be like oh good. I won that debate. I killed it. That doesn't do her any good. So it changed the whole dynamic when we got into whatever. We actually all prayed together before it started. Really?

Yep. And I'm in contact with some of them after the podcast and I was like, you guys should never have been treated that way. That's not like the gospel. That's not the way Jesus would love you. So it's like I was able to at least minister to some of them. The psychology of the show is interesting. My friend Ryan Pownall went on that show and debated him and he said a lot of girls show up and they make you wait 30 minutes to an hour and a half. And apparently the room's really hot. So they put you in an uncomfortable environment.

They put you in a- On purpose. Yes. No, for sure they do. It is some kind of like stress tactic. They tell you to be out there at a certain time sharp. We waited about 20 minutes on the street, on the sidewalk, just like waiting to get let in. When we got in there, we got searched as if we were like had weapons. Of course, Andrew Wilson got treated like a king. He got to go out and smoke whenever he wanted, but they keep it really hot.

Brian actually puts ice packs in his chest. Really? He stays cool. Yeah. You can see him get up and go change out. That's crazy. He wants a baggy switcher. They have a stale bowl of chips and you can eat the chips.

You can ask for water, but if you get up from the table to go eat chips or get water, they look at you and they're like, get back in your seat, get back in your seat. And then they filmed for seven hours. So you can imagine women are already pretty temperamental, right? We're hormonal. That's how we are. You starve a woman for seven hours and you put her in a room with Andrew Wilson who talks over you, interrupts you, berates you, has sidebars with Brian and they're like buddy

buddy the whole time. And then you're listening to this like radical feminist just talk mad, stupid crap the whole time. You're starting to like, I'm getting irritated. And that's what they want is at the very end for you to lose your cool and blow up. And then they drop all these, oh, so-and-so lost their cool and that's the cover of their YouTube.

And honestly, at that session, we all were like, this is, like we're done. This is, what a waste of my life. I wish I would have never gone on here, waste of my life. We all just kind of stood up and decided we were gonna go. And at that time, Brian started yelling, get the F out, get the F out, F you, get the F out. And then they made it look like on YouTube that he kicked us all out. I was like, we were leaving, but yeah.

Wow. That's crazy. So it's just, it's a whole thing. Like I, I highly suggest I'm not calling for cancel culture. I highly suggest conservatives stop going on that show, stop giving them content, stop promoting them because it's doing a lot of damage to the conservative movement. Yeah. I think Lilly Phillips is on a podcast tour right now. I don't know if she's going on that one, but what would your advice to her be?

Don't go. Please don't go. And not because you can't handle yourself or you're going to get shamed or annihilated. I don't know. That's not the situation for every conservative woman But I would say getting on their show and having that whatever, you know background Yeah, and having bomb drops awesome like 90 second clips great but then you're promoting them and they they really do not align with the values of The conservative movement the Christian movement at all. And so for us to give them a platform. I just I think it's not good

Yeah, I noticed there's a big Christian presence in the conservative movement at all. And so for us to give them a platform, I just, I think it's not good. Yeah. I know this is a big Christian presence in the conservative movement. Has that always been the case? Cause I'm new to this movement. I would say no. It's really safe to say that not every conservative is a Christian. And unfortunately not every Christian is conservative, which that can't be a thing. Like if you're a Christian, you can't agree with the democratic party. But I think there's a big movement of people waking up to, this isn't about conservative values, we're in a spiritual war. Abortion is not a political argument in my opinion. It used to be. It used to be and it still is, but really,

you have to stand on when does life begin? It begins at conception. And that's a biblical and scientific belief system. So a lot of conservatives are saying, I can't really base my fight anymore on like the conservative values, because those can change, right? They have changed. What are you really grounded in? And it has to be, and it should be faith,

or it's wavering. Yeah, there's a booth over there, I forget the name, but it shows the baby and the life cycle and what it looks like at this week's old, this month's old. It's pretty interesting to see a graphic of that. Right. And Democrats and liberals, they all love to just claim that it's a clump of cells,

but everything is a clump of cells. And they would say that a clump of cells on Mars is life, but not a baby. So when you really see it, when you really understand everything and you do a deep dive, I just don't see how anyone could be pro-choice. So you believe it's life from day one of pregnancy? Yeah, and it's actually taken me more of a deep walk with God and biblical study to believe that because early on in this movement,

and I joined it around 2020 during the salon thing, I could understand the argument of like rape and incest. And I was kind of like, I just, I do agree that a woman who's been raped or, you know, experienced incest shouldn't be forced to have her baby. But then when I, I kind of understood, well, when, okay, so let's, we got to draw the facts. When does life begin? Does it begin at a heartbeat? Does it begin at a certain gestational period? And I biblically believed because the Bible says, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. I believe that life begins before conception. Like God has a literally a plan for everyone. He's created you in his mind before he's even created you.

And so when I discovered that I needed to have a deciding factor, when does life begin? And when I looked into it, biblically and scientifically, I realized it's conception. You can't really say that it didn't exist until there was a heartbeat, because it did. And so when I realized that, I had to just say I'm vehemently pro-life from conception. I need to look into that more. I do believe the soul chooses the parents, you know? I'm pretty spiritual, I think. But yeah, I believe everyone kind of chooses their path. Yep. And I believe every life has a purpose. And I actually think that that might be why we are in a really dire situation in the world, specifically in America. Because if you believe, as I do, that God has a purpose for every single human,

millions and millions and millions and millions of humans never existed. They got killed. They got slaughtered in their mother's womb. What if Trump's wife had chosen to abort Donald Trump Jr.? He wouldn't be here. What would this whole movement look like if Charlie Kirk hadn't existed? What if Charlie's mom had been raped and chose abortion? What if he wasn't here?

So who do we not know is not here because his or her mother aborted him or her? And what would America look like if we had more of the fighters that could have or should have existed? It's crazy to think about, right? It is. Yeah, you. Yeah, statistics. What if you just didn't exist? Yeah, I wonder how many abortions there are a year. It's probably a lot., right? It is. Yeah, you. Yeah, statistics. What if you just didn't exist?

Yeah. I wonder how many abortions are a year. It's probably a lot. It was 63 million. What? It was 63 million a few years ago. It's gone up since then. That's insane.

Hundreds, hundreds per hour. I didn't know it was that bad. It's very bad. Because there's 220 million people. So that's like a third of people. It's an entire, an entire generation that has almost been wiped out. Well, actually it's worse because 220, about half are women. So about 100 million women. So it's like 50, 60% of people. It's an entire, an entire generation that has been wiped out. Well, actually it's worse because 220, about half are women. So about a hundred million women. So it's like 50, 60% of women. Wow. Right. If you break it down that way. Yep. It's gotta, it's gotta be,

I think it's around, I would, if I had to guess, it's, it's gone up dramatically since when I last look at the figures. Um, it's gotta be in the eighties to a hundred million. Oh my God. Yeah. And I think, I honestly think that's just America. Yeah. 98,000 per month. Per month. Wait, 98,000? How many is that per day?

That's 3,000 a day. I'm not an mathematician. 3,000 a day? 3,000 a day. Yeah, about a little over 3,000. That's so nuts. I want to keep breaking it down and being like, there's one right now.

Yeah. I mean, that's just- And right now. And right now. That's just reported too. So it could be even higher. Have mean, that's just- And right now. And right now. That's just reported too. So it could be even higher. Have you seen the movie Nefarious?

No. Oh my gosh. You have to watch that. You got to come back to me after you do. It is a guy that's on death row and they're trying to determine if he's crazy or not. And he's demonically possessed. So the demon shows up and speaks and then the guy shows up and speaks. And the demon, if you understand spiritually

like the fight that we're in, you understand that unfortunately Democrats really are like fighting for demonic causes. Abortion is one of them. He tells how demons goal is to harm God. Our goal is to damage God and screw him because he created you guys to replace us. And every time a woman goes and murders her baby, we celebrate in hell because that's one more soul that we were able to destroy and break God's heart. Wow. And he, oh, it's intense. And then you're just like, wow, you just never think of it that way. But hell celebrates when a woman kills her baby because it hurts God's soul. That's dark. Yeah, it's really dark. Get ready. It's really dark.

I pray before I watch it, but it's very like eye-opening. I gotta look into that. Yeah. Well, Lindsay, it's been fun. Anything you want to close off with here? No, I just want to thank you again for having me. Thanks for open minds.

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