Digital Social Hour - The Dark Web, Drug Lords, and My Path to Redemption I Tommy Haden DSH #475

Starting point is 00:00:00 How that addiction led to you going to prison? How much time do we got here? We got 30 minutes, let's get it going. Okay. I got to become a really good drug addict. I was never like the broke guy on the streets. I would just get really close with drug kingpins, drug queenpins.

Starting point is 00:00:12 And one of the drug queenpins, she, long story short, wanted to, I think she really liked me. Then at one point she threatened to kill my family. She said, I'm gonna shoot up your whole house, I'm gonna shoot up your whole family. And this is somebody that could actually do that. Anybody that's had their family threatened, at least for me, I'm going to shoot up your whole house. I'm going to shoot up your whole family. And this is somebody that could actually do that. Anybody that's had their family threatened, at least for me, I instantly turned rage.

Starting point is 00:00:29 I was ready to die that night. I'm like, hey, you're going to have to kill me. Like you are not killing my family. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe. It helps a lot with the algorithm. It helps us get bigger and better guests and it helps us grow the team. Truly means a lot. Thank you guys for supporting. And here's the episode. All right. You're about to learn about the ins and outs of the prison

Starting point is 00:00:53 world today, my friends, and the lessons that Tommy has learned. Tommy Hayden is here today. How's it going, man? Man, it's going fantastic. We love the win and we're winning, baby. So we're glad to be here. I love that. Win's my favorite hotel here. Yeah. So you ended up at ASU? I went to Arizona State. Party school. Is that why you went there?

Starting point is 00:01:11 That's exactly why I went there. I almost did the same. Yeah. And that was my major was partying. Yeah. You know, I was in a fraternity and, you know, living the life. Every day was a party. And I think that's what kind of segued into me getting stuck on opiates

Starting point is 00:01:27 because it's all it's all fun and games until you start getting hooked on drugs right you know so it kind of evolved from alcohol to xanax to opiates exactly i'd done every other drug and never really had a problem with it but the opiates once you do those first of all like for anybody who hasn't done it you feel like super, you feel like the most confident, uh, amazing, like fulfilled person ever. It just gives you that feeling. Like I was walking up to chicks saying whatever I wanted. I was jumping on stage. Just, you feel invincible. Wow. And so having that feeling is what hooks you. And so you're always just chasing that feeling. Yeah. So how long were you on those? Most of my life. So since, since Arizona state and, and when they first, when I first was out there, they weren't like,

Starting point is 00:02:10 it wasn't like it is now where everybody knows they're a bad thing. We're like, Hey, these are from a doctor. It's just a pill. It's no big deal. Right. But then my friends started dying, like really well to do kids literally lost seven or eight guys just in one semester. Yeah. Part of like your fraternity brothers. Yeah. That lot it's a ton and since then even more i'd say like 30 of my friends have died from this stuff holy crap it's it's crazy i'm really lucky to be here and uh every day's a blessing the fact that i'm standing here i've almost died a couple times too it's just it's all a bonus right and so i've taken that i've taken that that and taken it into like, now I have a second chance to do something better. And I'm hoping that I can turn this whole mess of a life that

Starting point is 00:02:50 I've had into my message. Yeah. Powerful. So walk me through how that addiction led to you going to prison. How much time do we got here? 30 minutes. Let's get it going. Okay. So, so long story short, yeah, I got, it started with the pain pills and eventually that turned into because the pain pills, after you stop getting prescriptions are so expensive that turned into, and I got to become a really good drug addict. I was never like the broke guy on the streets. I would just get really close with drug King pins, drug queen pins. And one of the drug queen pins, she long story short wanted to, I think she really liked me, but she was like 300 pounds, probably 6'2". She was huge, linebacker. And when she realized I

Starting point is 00:03:32 wasn't really like, I was kind of flirting with her because she had the drugs. But when she realized I didn't really like her, she stopped paying me because I was selling drugs for her online. And we just had some disagreements then at one point she threatened to kill my family she said i'm gonna shoot up your whole house i'm gonna shoot up your whole family and this is somebody that could actually do that right and anybody that's had their their family threatened at least for me i instantly turned rage i was ready to die that night i'm like hey you're gonna have to kill me like you are not killing my family and so that night i was like hey i'm either gonna kill her or she's going to kill me because I'm not going to let my family die. And again, I'm, I'm hyped up on all time on every

Starting point is 00:04:08 drug under the sun at this point. So we went to her door, kicked the door down. I only had a fake gun. Like most of the stuff I ever did, you know, when I was running around like an idiot was with fake guns. And I went in there, removed her of her real guns. We ended up taking her drugs, all this stuff. I threatened her. I'm like, Hey, if you ever talk about my family, my family i will kill you and again i'm not like a gangster guy at all but when somebody threatens your family it was like have you ever seen where um like if a child's baby is in danger they're like 12 times stronger yeah yeah that's how i felt yes that's how i felt that day because i was in so enraged that she would even say that and and knowing that that's possible i felt like i could just walk through bullets that day i was ready to to just, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, um, and so I never

Starting point is 00:04:49 in a million years since she was a drug queen pin thought she would call the cops. So she ended up saying that I, I, I armed robbery, uh, assault with GBI, got all these really bad charges. And that led to me getting arrested. Uh, talk about that. I'll tell you another really quick story. So once I got arrested, again, I'm hooked on opiates. My biggest fear is going through withdrawals. I don't know if you know anybody who's had to go through opiate withdrawals. I went through Xanax withdrawal. Oh, gosh.

Starting point is 00:05:16 Yeah, those are- I had a seizure. It was terrible. Yeah, those are horrible. Yeah. And so coming off of, yeah, the Xanax, opiates, all this stuff was already a big fear of mine, but doing it in jail was the biggest fear of mine. I realized that my biggest fear that day was going to come true.

Starting point is 00:05:29 I was going to have to withdraw from Xanax, from opiates while in jail. Once I got locked up, I was so delusional. I had pulled some pictures off of this guy's wall because I didn't know what was going on. He was Aryan Brotherhood. They beat the crap out of me the first day I was there. Damn. The next day, I wake up to go to court at four in the morning. They're they say court bodies at four in the morning.

Starting point is 00:05:49 They drag you down to the buses. You have to kind of like chain up with some, somebody. And they're all yelling at this bum that's in front of us. They're like, you making fun of him. Cause he kind of smells. Once we get on the bus,

Starting point is 00:06:01 they're still talking crap. I felt kind of bad for this bum. As soon as the bus stopped at the courthouse, I stood up and I felt something go down my leg. Whoa. And I realized that smell was me. No. Yes. You yourself. I myself. Cause you're so worried. I was so sick. Oh wow. I was so sick from the opiate withdrawals. And so talk about your lowest moment of your life that happening. And then everybody on the bus realizing it was me and just pissed off I get finally get into the holding cell right before I go up to court And there's seven brothers in there and just me and and they're just laying into me talking crap to me because I smell

Starting point is 00:06:35 I get up i'm like hey homie You want the ones like like I was ready to fight this guy just because he was talking crap and I was just having the worst Day of my life all seven of them stood up and i'm like wow i'm about to get my So I was like bro. I'm just having a really bad day. I'm withdrawing. I sat back down. I go upstairs to, uh, to see the judge and the lawyer. And he's like, Hey, it's not looking good, Tommy. You're, you're facing 12 years. Oh. And at that moment, Sean, my, like some, something in my body left like a piece of my, my spirit left. And I just felt, I've never felt so empty and sick in my entire life. I'm like 12 years. I thought my life was over. Yeah. How old were you at this point? I was

Starting point is 00:07:10 probably 30. Wow. So these are like your prime years, you know? These are like prime years. Yeah. So it's like, I've been stuck on drugs since, since college and, uh, have had issues, like I said, for about a 15 year period. And so right around the age 30, could have been 31, is when I was facing 12 years, which thank God I didn't end up having to serve. Yeah. How much time did you end up serving? A year. Oh, that's it? I got really lucky.

Starting point is 00:07:36 Wow. That's impressive. So the lady that told on me, she was selling drugs to everybody and basically she sold fentanyl to a person and that person touched a baby and the infant died. And so, so while I was awaiting, I was going through a few weeks of thinking I'm doing 12 years. And then they told me that she's no longer a credible witness because she's going to prison for life. Whoa. And so that saved my, they gave me a plea deal of one year. I was trying to fight it. I'm like, Hey, can't I just get out of this completely? But he's like, dude, just take the one year and, um, and thank God. Otherwise I'd still be in jail or prison today. That's insane. And that one year, how tough was that? Cause you, your roommate was

Starting point is 00:08:13 a, uh, a hell's angel, right? On a murder charge. Yes. So did you get along with him? I did. Uh, you know, yeah, he had a body in a barrel charge and everything in there is gangs. Like, even if you're not in a gang, if you go in, they're going to ask, Hey, are you with the woodpile? Are you with the blacks? Are you with the Mexicans? Like, who do you affiliate with? And I'm like, Hey, I'm not in a gang, but they're like, well, you have to go somewhere. I'm like, well, I'm white. And so, yeah, they ended up putting me in the cell with a hell's angel who again was really nice guy at the end of the day. But, uh, but you know, he's in there for torture, kidnap and murder. And, um, and most of the guys in there, since I had a violent crime, I wasn't with the low power. I was with the high power guys that

Starting point is 00:08:49 were in there for violence, for murder, um, you know, for serious offenses, you know, and I'm a frat guy from ASU that has never been to jail. Just like, you know, the most fresh fish you could possibly imagine. Yeah. They probably picked at you, right? At first, uh, a little bit, um, more so they made me put in work. So if somebody does something to disrespect, like, like there's so many weird unwritten rules. So if I walk through a brother's tables that I'm not supposed to like, do they just pass by the wrong area? That's an offense. And then they're the leader of the, of those guys will go to the leader of the whites and say, Hey, your guy disrespected us. And then two of the white guys will come and jump you. Damn.

Starting point is 00:09:25 And so I got jumped several times because there's all these weird rules. You can't stand up to pee. There's all these weird rules that you just stand up. You can't stand up and pee in yourself. Why? Because their whole thing is, is since there's three people crammed in like the size of a bathroom that they don't want, like since they sit on that, they don't want any like mess or any pee, like going outside of the toilet.

Starting point is 00:09:43 So they want you to sit down to pee. Damn. i know there's a lot of weird little like unwritten rules in there interesting and when they send the guys to get to jump you are you allowed to fight back yeah oh you are yeah you are and so the first time i was so sick i didn't care the second time like i've done muay thai and jiu-jitsu like for a good part of my life yeah i did a pretty good job but it's like when it's two on one it's's really hard to, even if you're good at fighting to like be able to win, you know? And they probably have shanks and stuff. Yeah. So, so I didn't luckily, yeah, I never got a knife pulled on me.

Starting point is 00:10:12 It was more just like, they call it disciplinary. And so you're either doing, if it's a light infraction, you're doing some kind of workouts, like 123 burpees. And then you're sounding off. I'll be like, like, uh, this is a Tommy Hayden at cell 109 sounding off for disciplinary action. And then I'll be like, like, uh, this is a Tommy Hayden at cell one Oh nine sounding off for disciplinary action. And then I'll be like, thank you. If you have to do like pushups for something, if it's like a lighter infraction. Um, but it's all in there because you know, everybody's trying to protect each other. So it's like the group of the whites,

Starting point is 00:10:36 if something happens, they got to keep it within the whites, the blacks versus, because if I were to just fight a black guy, it would be, uh, everyone would jump in. It would be a riot. Right. And did you have access to drugs in jail or, or by then you were sober? Uh, no, there was access to drugs in jail. And you were still doing it or no? Yeah, I was any chance I had. I mean, I was still doing it. So you didn't get sober till after. I didn't get sober even when I got out. So the day I got picked up after this year, the guy that I was with offered me, uh some fentanyl which i was like really and my

Starting point is 00:11:06 my dad did it damn i know after all that you would think that would be enough right um not to mention while i was in there that that lady that had threatened my parents life had burned my dad's house down what he burned my dad's house down holy crap yeah to the ground luckily he wasn't in it but um but yeah you know and he didn't really want to tell me because he's like when i when he gets out he's gonna he really will go kill her for this because it's just he messed with somebody's family all bets are off yeah um so did you feel a sense of guilt that that was because of you oh my gosh i still do yeah wow so so much so much so and it's just like and that's the thing is being hooked on drugs it's such a selfish way

Starting point is 00:11:44 to live. All you can do is think about yourself. All you can do is think about your next fix. You just, you live like existence, but you're so caught up in it and you feel like you can't stop because if you stop, you get sick. So yeah, man, it's just now today, it's like, I'm taking that addictive energy and putting it, I'm getting addicted to good things. So it's like, I'm not really a big fan of AA. I know it works for some people, but you know, I'm into affirmations. I know you're like talking about manifestation. So every time you go to those meetings, they say,

Starting point is 00:12:13 you have to get up and say, Hey, I'm Tommy. I'm an addict. And it's like, I want to say, Hey, I'm Tommy. I'm doing the most. I'm a winner. I'm a multimillion dollar earner. I don't want to get up and say, Hey, I'm Tommy. I'm a drug addict every, every single day. I feel like that's just like reaffirming. Yeah, I agree with that. I didn't know that's what they did there, but yeah. You want to tell yourself positive affirmations. Yeah. How aware were your parents of, of your issues with all this? Probably extremely aware. Yeah. They knew it was going on. Um, you know, I tried to hide it, but it's really hard to hide when you go to lunch with your dad and you're, you're in the bathroom

Starting point is 00:12:43 every five minutes smoking, uh, drugs. Right. Yeah. So you were really addicted. I was really addicted and you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to tell just from looking at me. I don't look like I was hooked on drugs for 15 years. I'm not sure why. I think it was because I never, I didn't, wasn't the guy who stayed up for three or four nights in a row. I would still sleep every night. Got it. Wow. Yeah. So that moment when you finally came sober, was it a specific incident that happened or it was, um, so after I got out of jail, yeah, I was hooked. It was still up to my old ways doing dumb again, selling drugs. And I actually, actually took a macro dose of psilocybin like mushrooms. And this is the most craziest trip I've ever seen because

Starting point is 00:13:23 it was like, I was in two, all of a sudden I was in two different dimensions or two different realities. One of them was me getting dragged off to prison. My mom crying, all this bad stuff happened. And that was basically, I could tell that that was going to happen if I kept down this path. And then the other one, for whatever reason, I was on stage with Wiz Khalifa, like singing next to him, which I don't know where that came from, but that seemed like a lot better of a path than the other one. And so that day I went and threw everything away. I had like, I threw away all my drugs, like pounds. I threw away phones that had cryptocurrency on them. I just tossed everything. Cause I didn't know when I knew that the cops were probably watching me

Starting point is 00:13:55 and I didn't know how long I had. So I just chucked everything that day. Were you dealing at that point? Yeah. Yeah, it was anytime, anytime anybody's using hard drugs, if they have any money, it's because they're selling drugs. Right. Because that's how you can fund your habit, right? Exactly. Because any other job would fire you because you can never be on time to anything. It's just, it's an absolute mess.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Wow. That's crazy. So you actually had crypto on the phone though? Yeah. I had a bunch of crypto because I was selling it online. Wow. Yeah. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Yeah. So if you kept all that, that'd be worth a ton right now. A ton. A ton. Because I used to buy like fakes with crypto like 10 years ago when I was in high school. Yeah. So if you kept all that, that'd be worth a ton right now. Because I used to buy like fakes with crypto like 10 years ago when I was in high school. And if I kept it, it'd be worth like hundreds of thousands. Oh, you said you bought fakes? Fake IDs. Yeah. With Bitcoin. Okay. Yeah. And then you just lost that Bitcoin wallet?

Starting point is 00:14:39 No, I'm saying if I just held the Bitcoin. Oh, got it. Yeah. He only took Bitcoin because he was like overseas, I guess. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Most of those guys doing shady stuff only take Bitcoin or Monero because that's harder

Starting point is 00:14:51 to trace. Yeah. Are you interested in coming on the Digital Social Hour podcast as a guest? We'll click the application link below in the description of this video. We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life. Click the application link below. And here's the episode guys um but we're selling it on the dark web so i'm selling it on the dark web wow i've been on that site yeah silk road right

Starting point is 00:15:14 yeah silk road i mean that's long gone but there's always a new one one gets shut down three more open up uh the cops actually run most of the sites now i don't know really that they used to always just shut them down but now it but now it's making them so much money that they keep them up and they just will bust a few people a week instead of just them shutting it down and then looking for the next one. They'll just take control of the server,

Starting point is 00:15:35 take control of the accounts, and then just bust people all day with that. Smart. Yeah, the category that always sketched me out on the dark web was the hitman. You could hire a hitman for like 10, 20 Gs. Yeah. And I remember seeing that as a college kid, like, wow, my life is worth 10 grand.

Starting point is 00:15:51 Yeah. Isn't that scary? It is. But in my experience, all of those listings are just like undercovers. Oh, they are? Yeah. So none of them, at least from everything I've heard, there's no actual real hitman posting on there.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Oh, interesting. It's just undercovers and there's people getting caught up all day because they'll try to hire a hitman and then it'll be an fbi agent that you know just gets all the evidence and then you're screwed wow are you still microdosing psilocybin to this stuff yeah yeah yeah i do it every week yeah do you i actually brought you guys a couple oh hell yeah dude it's actually elevated my thanks so much it's elevated my business yeah and uh my mindset these are cool yeah nice yeah i'm a big fan man i've done some full doses too like the one you did yeah but it's been like eight years i'm a little scared to do a full dose yeah yeah it's

Starting point is 00:16:36 scary you got to be in the right mindset you do and even if you like over like micro dose it's like it's like too much i just do it like you were saying a little bit to where you just feel that little extra pip in your step yeah but not too much to where you're tripping out. Yeah. I do 0.25 max. Okay. Yeah. Do you still talk to anyone from prison? Yeah, I do. I still put money on people's books that are still in there. Oh, yeah? Wow.

Starting point is 00:16:57 That Hells Angels guy I was telling you about, he, long story short, had helped me out. These other white guys wanted to jump me because I went into a brother's cell, which again, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to do. I went into a brother's cell and they were going to jump me for that. But since that guy kind of ran the whole jail, they asked him first and he's like, no, he's good. Like, so he saved me from getting jumped. Wow.

Starting point is 00:17:17 And so ever since then, I've been putting money on his books. He's going to get out now in a couple of weeks. Nice. And I'm going to try to get him a job, a solar job, you know? Yeah. I want to dive into the solar stuff, how you got into that, how you're making millions with that. Yeah. So doing really well. I mean, anybody that is doing door to door sales, I give them a lot of credit because it's the hardest job in the world. So you start off knocking on people's door and, um, and in any other industry, I don't know how much you make, but if you can get one sale a day, your average commission is about five grand. I've had some that are like 30 grand on a residential.

Starting point is 00:17:48 Five grand a month? No, five grand per sale. Per sale? Per sale. So some of these kids are doing a sale. Some of these kids, like I was just talking to our team in Reno, are doing one sale a day. So they're making 150K a month? A month. Holy crap.

Starting point is 00:18:00 And that's why the opportunity is so amazing because you can get out like, I just hired a guy who was on the streets a few months ago and within the first two months he made 30 grand, but, uh, but it didn't come naturally. I mean, he's not like a, uh, you know, like a talker. He's not somebody who's got a lot of confidence. So he's had to work a lot harder, but even that he was on the streets and he's made, been making like 15 grand a month. Um, and that's amazing from homeless to being able to make 15 grand in the first couple months. That's why I really want to like get that message out there that if you have nothing, not everybody can just start their own business because you have to have the discipline, right?

Starting point is 00:18:31 You got to know what you're doing. With this, you just have to show up with a good attitude. We get you trained. We put you with winners. We're waking up early. We all go to the gym together. We all write down our goals and then we get to work. Incredible. You built a solid company culture. Yeah. And this is based in Reno? Reno. Yeah. Nice. But you live in San Diego?

Starting point is 00:18:48 Correct. Okay. So you hop back and forth. So we're in 31 different states. We're all over the place. It's legacy power. So yeah, we're all over the place. We can install everywhere.

Starting point is 00:18:59 And typically the other cool thing is we do 15 days on, 15 days off. So we'll fly out to, let's say Florida for 15 days, work our asses off. But in those 15 days, you're going to make more money than you would at your regular job in the next three months. Wow. As long as you do it right. That's awesome. Yeah. My energy bill out here, bro, it's like 800 a month. So I'm thinking about getting solar, honestly. Let's go. I mean, it's so much money and it keeps going up. Nevada is one of the highest in the country. I believe it is. It's one of the highest in the nation. And the cool thing about it is what we do is we just take that 800 that you're spending and redirect it into the solar. So it's no money up front.

Starting point is 00:19:32 Like you don't give us any money down. We install the solar. You still haven't paid us a dime. And then 60 days later would be your first payment of maybe 600, but it'll never go up. Instead of just throwing the money away to your current energy company, we just redirect that money that you were going to spend into the solar and it's less, it's clean and you get tax credits. Smart. I love that. There's a couple of Instagram clips I thought were interesting I wanted to bring up. One of them was you said, if you get stabbed in jail, if you are arrested for peeing on the side of the road? Yeah. So there's something called bad charges in jail. And anything with kids is a bad charge. Any type of like weirdo

Starting point is 00:20:12 stuff is a bad charge, especially with kids. That's the biggest one. If you tell on somebody, so if you have snitching on your record, that's a bad charge. Indecent exposure for whatever reason is a bad charge. Even if there's no kids around, if you're just peeing on the side of the road and a cop sees you and you end up going to jail and they put you in general population, the first thing they're going to do is get you on the pay phone. You can call to check your charges and the Aryan guy is going to take the phone and listen to your charges. Wow. And so all it will tell them is indecent exposure and to them that's a bad charge and they will

Starting point is 00:20:42 either stab you or remove you. Damn. Yeah. That's interesting. So as soon as you get there, they're checking what you're in there for they're checking your paperwork immediately wow and so you're either blue band mainline or your yellow band which is protective custody pc so any like celebrities are in pc any child molesters are in pc anybody who's been snitching is in pc because they can't be with mainline. Otherwise, you know, they'd be getting killed daily. Did you ever spend time in isolation? Uh, so I did briefly. Um, you know, I had one nurse asked me after a few weeks, like they, they do checks. They're like, Hey, are you thinking about killing yourself? I'm like, Hey, it sucks here. Yeah. I want to jump off that tier every

Starting point is 00:21:18 day. But I was, I was joking. Kind of, I was joking. I'm like, I want to jump off that tier. And she looked at the guard and she's like, he said it. I'm like, I'm like, dude, I'm kidding. And so they, they hem me up, grab me, put into another room, took all my clothes, put like this, this yellow or green quilt on me. And then put me in a room with literally nothing because, because they put you in a room to where you can't kill yourself. So they don't, they don't give you any sheets, anything. You just have this stupid quilt. They serve your, your food on a paper tray with a paper spork. Wow. You know, that goes bad after two bites. And, um, and so, yeah, I was there for a couple of days and then the psychiatrist came by and I was like, please, like I was joking about that. Please put me back into the regular

Starting point is 00:21:54 jail. Dude. I know people that have been in the hole for months, weeks, some, some even like six months. And it's actually like, I think it's worse for the, for the person than, than better. Yeah. In my opinion. I mean, you go crazy in, for the person than, than better in my opinion. I mean, you go crazy in there. Yeah. Yeah. You have to run programs. So anytime you're in any, even just in regular jail, we'll wake up, we'll have like a routine. A lot of it's working out a lot of it's reading. So it's like, once you get down a program, it becomes a little bit easier, but there's nothing like a feeling like me and you are so used to be on the, you know, get up, walk around, do whatever we want. Once you're in a cage, that feeling of not being able to move, not being able to get out of there,

Starting point is 00:22:29 not being able to like sometimes scratch. If you're, if they have chains on you, you can't like scratch your head. It's just like the most degrading and the worst feeling. I never wish it upon anybody being locked in a cage. That's terrible. How many hours of the day were you inside the actual cage part? Uh, gosh, I think we only got out for probably three hours a day. That's it? Yeah. Damn, so you're in that room 21 hours. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:51 That's awful. I thought during the day you guys have jobs and you walk around and stuff and there's yard time. Yeah, so just to be clear, I was in jail. I never went to prison. So I did a year in jail, which arguably is worse because, yeah, you don't have jobs. There's a lot less stuff. There's less options. So I was stuck in jail for a year. Um, and they let me serve my time there. So I didn't actually have to go to prison. Got it. So the, so the difference is

Starting point is 00:23:14 jail is for short term. Jail is for short term. I've heard of people doing up to three years. They call it state local. Uh, and then prisons like a little bit more, if you're going to be there for, for a longer time, or just sometimes it depends on the crime. Sometimes it depends what your lawyer is trying to get you. But yeah, that makes sense. You said jail was one of the best experiences you ever had. Yeah, it was. So there's a lot of things I think in life that people feel like, why is this happening to me?

Starting point is 00:23:37 What am I doing? You know, when I was in there, I wanted to cry. I didn't because I didn't want anybody else to see, but I just wanted to cry every single day. But in hindsight, I needed to go through that. I wake up every day, Sean, so stoked just to have a pillow. It's impossible for me to have a bad day. They don't give you pillows in jail. Wow.

Starting point is 00:23:55 So you just get like a little thin mat. You get like a little sheet and then that's it. You can maybe like roll up your pants, but it's just, it's so uncomfortable. So I had like neck issues for the first couple of weeks. And, um, and yeah, so now every day I wake up, I'm so glad that I have a pillow and that's why it was the best experience because it's impossible for me to have a bad day out here. Even when clients can't cancel, if I, if I lose 20 or 30 grand that day because of some, somebody canceling or, or whatever the reason is, I'm like, Hey, this is, this is a good problem. And I'll talk to the guy, my buddy, Derek, who's still in jail. And that kind of grounds me anytime I hear what he's doing.

Starting point is 00:24:27 I'm like, dude, I thought I had a problem out here. I'm just so glad that I'm not in there. Right. It's all perspective, right? It really is. Cause you look at some of the problems like that you complain about and you're like, wow, there's people dealing with way worse. Exactly. Yeah. There's people that would kill to have your guys' problems. They would love to have your problems. Yeah, exactly. Um, so where are you at now with the company and your future plans and what do you want to do in the next few years? Yeah. So I'm trying to take this mess, like I said, this mess that I've had, turn it into my message and recruit more guys. So building a team, like selling solar is great. You can make a lot of money doing that. You could even make seven figures just on the selling part.

Starting point is 00:25:01 But now that I'm growing a team, I have guys that are out knocking on doors for me. They're setting appointments. I'm closing the deal or I have somebody else going to close the deal. And then that's making me money. So growing a bigger team, trying to recruit more guys. I really like helping people that are addicts because like we were saying before that I can take that addictive energy and instead of putting it towards drugs and they're really good drug addicts, they're really good alcoholics. I can take that energy and put it towards something positive, put it towards working hard, put it towards waking up early, put it towards reading books. And if I can get that addictive energy focused in the right place, it seems like the addicts do the best at this job. I would say I have an addictive

Starting point is 00:25:36 personality. I used to be a huge PC gamer, never channeled it towards drugs, but it's definitely a benefit if you could figure out how to channel it. like you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. You said you got stuck on Xanax though, right? Yeah. That was only a month or two, but it was more so they prescribed it and I just took it every day and then it turned into an addiction, I guess. It wasn't like I was like doing it for fun. Yeah. I was, they prescribed anxiety and stuff. So. Okay. Yeah. They give you something to, when you got off of it and they give you something to help with the, no, I had the, so I ran out, had a seizure while I was high on. So it was like, so bad. I haven't smoked since. Um, yeah, I gave a completely, I used to smoke every day. Yeah. Um, but yeah, what's the trick to channeling the energy you'd say from

Starting point is 00:26:19 addiction to bad things, to good things? Uh, what's the trick? So just using that energy. So I think for me, the trick is like every night before bed, I don't write down just what I'm going to do the next day. I write down who I'm going to be, how I'm going to feel when I wake up. So I'm writing down like, Hey, I'm going to wake up, have the best day. I'm going to hit the gym. I'm going to do some meditating. I'm always looking at myself in the mirror for a couple minutes every single day and just convincing myself that I'm the man and have true belief. There's a Napoleon Hill where they call it the mirroring effect. I don't know if you've heard of anything like that. I've heard of Napoleon Hill. Yeah. So he talks about a guy, he was at a, long story short, he was at a party and the guy was,

Starting point is 00:26:54 the host was really drunk and he watched the host go into his room and talk to himself for five minutes in the mirror, looking into his soul. It was like, you fool, these people think you're drunk and you're sober as a ghost, basically talked himself into being soul. It was like, you fool. These people think you're drunk and you're sober as a ghost basically talked himself into being sober. And Napoleon Hill said he saw him sober up just from staring in the mirror for five minutes and telling his cells, telling his atoms to be sober. And so ever since then, I mean, if you think about it, we're all made up of atoms and energy, right? Everything is made up of atoms and energy. And so if you can focus that and look into your own soul, like that mirror mirror on the wall, like fairy tale, that has something to it. Yeah. Where you see like a demon or whatever, if you've repeated three times. Yeah. I don't know about that part. I don't know

Starting point is 00:27:33 what I'm thinking of that. There's one where you repeat lines in the mirror, you shut off the lights and then really, yeah. Oh my God. So it could be used in both ways, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I've never used it for evil. I just use it to pump myself up. Um, and, and I need that. Maybe not everybody does, but I need to constantly be working on personal development. I saw you at a, what was the seminar? Was it, it was in Utah. Limitless. Limitless. Yeah. I saw you at limitless. I go to all these, those things all the time. I think it's really important for that because if I'm not constantly keeping myself busy with getting better, keeping myself busy with going to those things, surrounding myself with people like you, people like that want to grow, then it's easy to fall back into the addiction and fall back into the alcohol.

Starting point is 00:28:13 It's so easy to get comfortable. That's why I'm always trying to put myself in uncomfortable situations, even though obviously you don't want to be there, but you got to surround yourself with people doing 5, 10x better than you, you know? Exactly. See what's out there. Yeah. And the times I look back on my life where I was kind of stagnant,

Starting point is 00:28:30 it's because I wasn't going out of the house. I wasn't leaving. I wasn't experimenting new opportunities. And is that kind of why you chose this is because you're around? Yeah, now I'm meeting amazing people. A lot of my perspectives have changed on different topics the past year

Starting point is 00:28:43 and my business has skyrocketed, honestly. Learning from eight, nine, 10 figure guys. Yeah. Grant Cardone's coming on this week. Oh really? Yeah. I would have never had the opportunity to sit down with someone like that for an hour if I didn't have the podcast. Yeah. I love Grant Cardone, bro. So much. I have a Grant Cardone tattoo. That's how much I am. Yeah. Cause he's, he's been through some struggles. Yeah. You're going to laugh at this. So not only do I have a Grant Cardone tattoo, but one of my, um, one of my employees is a tattoo artist and i was talking about going on your show and he's like what do you want to get my hey maybe i'll get that i was kind of i was kidding i said maybe i'll get the sean mike kelly tattoo and basically everybody on my team was like you won't

Starting point is 00:29:16 do it and so so not only do i have a grant cardone tattoo but it's like i let him do it holy crap dude that is dope wow you know that wow that's gc i got some different quotes from eric thomas and stuff but i was like you know he was it was i tagged you in it but it was in our living room we had uh you know it was just one of those things that it came and i was like hey why not you know wow dude i love your mentality yeah and that mentality like you said if channeled in the right way that determination that grit man you're gonna make it far i can tell yeah i appreciate that man i think i'm like at the it's just just the beginning here like i said, if channeled in the right way, that determination, that grit, man, you're going to make it far. I appreciate that, man. I think I'm like at the, it's just, just the beginning here.

Starting point is 00:29:52 Like I said, I've only been clean for gosh, three and a half years. Wow. And so, um, and so it's, it's all taken off. It's, it's, everything's going really well, but, um, but definitely look out for me in the next, next couple of years here. And your message is something that needs to be heard. I mean, we have an opioid problem right now in our country. It's so bad. You need to be speaking on stages, man, at colleges, at high schools, like you can be changing thousands of lives for sure. I appreciate that. Yeah. I've been trying to, I've talked to a couple of like,

Starting point is 00:30:14 like at-risk youth places and some other, like, um, some media, like AA meetings, things like that. Talk to him about it a little bit, but it's definitely something I want to do more of. Yeah. I still stay in touch with all of my friends who passed away, all their moms. Wow. Because I can't imagine what they're dealing with. I think you said 30 friends did 30 of them. That's crazy. At least maybe even more. And I mean, this is all the way, obviously from college up until now, we just lost one a couple of months ago that was, was near and dear. And these are successful guys that have really good families that have an awesome future, awesome careers. Yeah. But, um, but unfortunately you can do a little bit of that stuff and it can

Starting point is 00:30:48 kill you. Yeah, man, Tom, it's been such an inspiring episode. Where can people find you and learn more about you? Yes, sir. It's at whatever it takes Tommy, my friend. I even got the, I even got it on the side. I don't know if you can read it at whatever it takes Tommy and, uh, Instagram reach out to me. We're looking for more people. We're looking for people that want to hustle. If you want to make the most money in your life without having any money out of pocket, hit me up. We're doing the absolute most with the very least. Thank you, Sean, for having me. Love it, man. We'll link all your stuff in the video. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for watching, guys, as always. See you tomorrow. Yes, sir. Come on, baby. Let's go.

Digital Social Hour - The Dark Web, Drug Lords, and My Path to Redemption I Tommy Haden DSH #475

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