Digital Social Hour - The Energy Hack That's Transforming Entrepreneurs | Joe Polish DSH #1056

Episode Date: January 4, 2025

Discover the game-changing energy hack that's helping entrepreneurs thrive! 🚀 Joe Polish shares powerful insights on how to protect your energy and transform your business relationships. Learn why paying attention to how people make you feel is the ultimate success indicator and how to spot the warning signs of toxic connections before they derail your success.   In this eye-opening conversation, Joe reveals his proven strategies for maintaining authentic relationships while building massive success. From navigating fame to protecting yourself from energy vampires, you'll learn actionable tips to elevate your entrepreneurial journey. Joe also shares intimate details about working with high-profile figures and maintaining integrity in a world of situational ethics.   Don't miss Joe's profound insights on recovery, maintaining character through success, and why your gut feelings about people are usually right. Whether you're a seasoned entrepreneur or just starting out, this conversation will transform how you approach relationships and energy management in business and life.   Ready to level up your entrepreneurial game? Watch now for game-changing wisdom from one of the most connected people in business. Your energy - and your success - will thank you! 🎯   #energyliteracy #addictionrelapsepreventionstrategies #motivationalinterviewing #recoverystrategies #relapseprevention   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - What's Happening in the World 01:18 - Joe's Takeaways from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Interview 03:53 - Balancing Life: Can You Crush It All? 07:07 - Identifying Red Flags in Relationships 10:33 - Understanding Pain as a Messenger 14:57 - Protecting Yourself from Manipulative People 17:56 - Recognizing 2 Types of People 19:24 - Toxicity in the Entertainment Industry 21:40 - Addressing Evil in the World 23:56 - News as Fear-Mongering 25:25 - Psychological Dangers of Modern Society 27:14 - How to Be a Good Person 30:40 - What's Next for Joe   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Joe Polish https://www.instagram.com/joepolish/ https://joepolish.com/   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/

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When you feel something is off and you ignore that, then what happens is you're training your energy field that it's okay to ignore warning signs. I didn't even notice the yellow flags, and the yellow flags are lead ups to the red flags But when you say stop and your body's telling you to stop and you still push forward You're gonna screw yourself over All right guys Joe polish here we are I am fest and this guy's one of the most connected people I've ever met It's coming on man. Well, thank you. Good to be here man man. Yeah, that was a fun one with Chris Voss last month, too. Yeah, yeah. We did that first podcast.

And this place is kind of insane right now. Dude, it's booming. There's a lot of good people. This is my first MFest. What about you? This is the first one. Really? Yeah, I mean, Charlie Kirk is a machine. I'll just put it that way.

Yeah. And they did the first Maha event here in Arizona with, you know, Turning Point that had my buddy Bobby Kennedy on Cali Maine. So I introduced both of them to each other. And so just seeing what has happened just in the span of three months is utterly insane in this country. It's bad to me. Yeah.

Your interview with Bobby was incredible. Oh, thank you. It got almost a million views. Yeah. Yeah. What were your big takeaways from that interview? Well, it's third time I interviewed him. Bobby, I guess my big takeaway with him is the ability to be a lifelong Democrat, then go independent and then, you know, a line would try. You know, I think it's cool. And his view on addiction recovery,

his view on plant medicines. Yeah. The fact that if you, if you notice Bobby, even if someone does not agree with him or not, he's, it takes a lot for him to insult someone. He doesn't just attack. He's more, I guess, more of a nonviolent communication guy. Yeah. Whereas Trump is just like hardcore, right? But both styles, I think are very interesting ways to open people up because some people resonate with one method of communication, the others don't. But he's a machine. My biggest takeaway of our most recent interview is, I already knew this,

but he stated it, and I reinforced it as much as I could, is this year has been his 40th year in recovery because I have an addiction recovery foundation and me and him really align on that. And so every single day in spite of running for president and then everything that's going on, he meditates every day, attends a 12 step meeting every day. Wow. It works out every day. Even if he's, you know, traveling, which he is a lot right now, clearly, uh, with security and everything.

So just to coordinate security to work out every day wherever he's at, and people that are like, I don't have time to exercise. It's like, well, you know, it depends. Are you committed to something? People will say, I care about my body. I care about my health. I care about my relationships. I care about my recovery.

And he just does it every day. And so he truly is one of the few people that I've met. I met a lot of presidents and ex presidents, most are narcissists and- We talked about that last time. Yeah, yeah. And he is truly just, I think, a genuinely great guy. Now, he will admit there are times in his life

where he wasn't a great guy. You know, I say great guy, where he was off the rails. He was inactive addiction and you cannot be an active addict without lying, cheating and stealing. If you're not doing that to other people, you're doing it to yourself. Like in your mind, you're living kind of like this double life. So there is no way in hell to do 40 years of recovery, a lot of it 12 step base and not have that chisel you into a better human.

Yeah, everybody's flawed. We're all flawed humans in some way, shape or form. But yeah, my big takeaway was just that daily ritual, which is so much to take from that. Absolutely. Yeah. I think we all go through these phases, right? I never meet someone that's just like a steady trajectory.

Never. Like ever, unless you are living in a freaking bubble or something. I think life is a series of, you're on track, things are working, good relationships, maybe you're taking care of your health, things are you know doing well in business and then other times you're completely off the track and then the job is to get back on the track. Because people are like I used to be there, things used to work this way. So the question is well what the hell were you doing when things were working?

Can you go back to that? But we get hit with disease, betrayals, heartbreak, even your story, right? The big loss of money. Financial, I had health issues as well. I was neglecting. Do you think you could crush it in all aspects of life at the same time? Or do you think you need to hone in on a few at a time? Well, it depends on what you mean by crush it. But in terms of, you know, it's funny,

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you know, real peaceful spiritual guy or Michael Singer. They have a different tempo, a different way of being than someone that's out there hustling. I think taking my buddy Doug Brackman's book Driven, where 5%, maybe 10% of the population, depending on where you're at, is a hunter, and the rest of the people are farmers. Hunters are the ones that are crushing it. Hunters are the ones that are pursuing with intensity. So, uh, I mean, in my own experience, maybe someone is so together has not had, uh, adverse childhood, you know, experiences, the ACE test, uh, they haven't had a lot of trauma in their life and they, they're pretty balanced,

but I think there's mission-based, uh, entrepreneurs, mission-based people. And then there are obsessive people. And so the obsessive people tend to have more depression, a lot more suicides, more addiction, more of a roller coaster life. Whereas the mission based are more methodical. Uh, they try to build boring businesses. They try to create a structure. Whereas the other people, you know, uh, systems tend to cramp their style,

but it's so they're all over the map. So for me, you know, I definitely am a hunter. Uh, and so I've, it's, it's a bit of a roller coaster, but what I think is. I think it's smart to aspire to that. I think it's very smart to set a foundation up because your life is, is, is on, if it's on a shaky foundation, cut all ties with dishonest, negative, unethical, lazy people. Because if you're around those people, by proximity, by the very nature that, your life

is going to be a bit of a shit show. You can't play with snakes and not get bit. Yeah. Well, now you're seeing new studies of how everyone has an energy field and there's actual studies now about who's around you, how it affects you. Well, let me ask you this. So you've obviously interviewed people about this. You've learned about it. What has been your biggest discovery in that?

Cause I do think we're frequencies. I think there is an energy without sounding woo woo in a ridiculous way. You know, we fashion our own futures. Our mind has a lot to do with stuff and we attract, you know, you find people's who's dense match your dense. So yeah, what would you? For me, it's just like, how do I feel after talking to that person? Like do I feel drained or do I feel like motivated?

So that's a simple test anyone watching this can take and you'll be surprised. Like what happens just thinking that way. Well, now, okay, now someone might just hear that and say, okay, yeah, whatever. And it's that's not some, profound sort of sounding thing. However, it's, it's very profound because if you ignore your gut feelings, if you ignore how, like I always, I, I, this, uh, conversation with the author, Poe Bronson years ago, and he said, people want more woo and less, you know, and I've always liked that because it's like, okay, if I interact with anyone, it's like, do

I feel good or do I feel like kind of cringy? And when you feel something is off and you ignore that, then what happens is you're training your energy field. If we want, let's just use that terminology that it's okay to ignore warning signs. And so where I've made the biggest mistakes in my life is when I was tired, when I was exhausted, when I was overwhelmed, or when I ignored red flags. And by ignoring red flags, you don't even start... it's like you ever seen people that have these motivational posters in their offices where everyone goes numb to it and they have dust on the top of their head and shit like that, right?

So people get numb to things that they don't pay attention to and you don't see it. So, uh, there's yellow flags in the beginning, after a lot of betrayal, after doing my best to be a giver. But when you're a giver, you get, you're a magnet for takers. I didn't even notice the yellow flags in the yellow flags or lead ups to the red flag. So oftentimes you can be like caution, but when you say stop and your body's telling

you to stop and you still push forward, you're going to screw yourself over. And that is different than like a hard workout. Like one instance, nothing feels good in the middle. When you're going through a breakup, doesn't feel good. When you're going through building a business in the very beginning, or let's say you're someone that's starting a podcast, You're in the middle of this right now. What are you like, 1,500 episodes? Yeah, about 1,500.

And you want to get to what? At least 3,000 because Rogan's at 2,500. So you are in the middle of working your ass off. People don't see all the coordination that it takes to do something like this scheduling. And there's going to be all kinds of mistakes. And not even mistakes you make, just shit that happens along the way. But you're in the middle of it. So to condense that, if you're in the middle of a one hour workout

and you have to put forth effort, that kind of sucks. But when you're done with it, ah, now you're hopefully, if you haven't injured yourself, you have gotten better. And the more that we build up our tolerance to things that are expanding us, great. Whenever we push through pain that's contracting us, we are closing off that energy field. It's really expanding. Does this person expand me or do they contract me? When you start feeling contractions, that's nature's way of saying pay attention because pain is a messenger. And if you ignore pain, you'll start to drink the pain away,

screw the pain away, social media the pain away, gamble the pain away, and you'll get yourself in trouble. Yeah, you got to make some tough decisions because a lot of the times these people are your friends, right? And then something will happen, they'll change a little bit, whether it's money or fame or whatever it is. Absolutely. Like I was talking to Alex Epstein yesterday. He's the guy that wrote Fossil Futures, one of the smartest energy guy that I know. And he's, you know, he's friends with Peter Thiel and Palmer Lucky and Jordan Peterson and a variety of people. His second interview with Jordan's getting ready to come out. And I had scheduled, he used to be in Genius Network. And he'll be in and out at times depending on where his life is at.

And I introduced him to a guy named Tommy Mella, who I actually want to introduce you to and be on the show. Oh, okay. Perfect. Yeah. So yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. So, you know, Tommy's now got this billion dollar company and at the very end of it,

cause I always talk shit to my friends. Yeah. That's one of the endearing things I do is I kind of insult them in nice ways. And Alex said, he goes, you know, the thing about Joe, he goes, he was supporting me before anyone even knew who I was and when people were attacking me and he's like the same guy, even if I give him money or not love. And, you know, and I just thought that was actually kind of not, not to blow my own horn because that sounds kind of like what I'm doing.

I think everyone should do that. Yeah. It does. It's not a special quality to, you know, there's situational ethics and then there's situational behavior. Situational behavior is, you know, I may cuss, you know, in front of you or say some, you know, completely inappropriate jokes, which I tend to like, but I'm not going to, if you introduce me to your grandma, I'm not going to cuss in front of her, right? Unless she starts cussing in front of me and says, oh, that's

situational behavior. You know, most people have drank beer, most people have going to cuss in front of her, right? Unless she starts cussing in front of you. And he says, oh, that's situational behavior. You know, most people have drank beer. Most people have gone to church. It's rare to drink beer in church, right? You're not going to smoke a joint in the middle of a, you know, church. Well, some people might, but I have an idea. But anyway, but situational ethics though, is when, you know, you act like you're this ethical person in one environment, but your behavior dictates that in a different way.

Kind of like, Elon Musk says, you know, people that talk about doing good while doing evil, fuck them, you know? That sort of thing. So, yeah, I mean, that applies, I think, to... I just think people need to be congruent. And capabilities are great, but character will get you through. Because your capabilities will come and they will go. You'll be very capable in one area. And then as soon as you want to go, like if you build a million dollar business, but then you want to go to a $10 million business

or a $20 million business or a $50 million business. And I'd seen this throughout my whole career. I mean, I hang around very successful entrepreneurs and that doesn't mean they're great people, right? They could have their life completely out of control. It takes new capabilities every time you make a jump. If you want to be in better physical shape, if you want to be a better investor, if you want to be a better parent, most people that have kids, they have no

capabilities, they may have read books, they may hear about it, but you develop those capabilities. So as one develops capabilities, I think it's crucial to make sure you don't lose your character. So we've, you're around people all the time that are pursuing fame and notoriety and status and all that. And when you see them change, you're like, you know, you were cool before you got a little bit of fame. But if people get a little bit of fame or money and they start all of a sudden changing, you kind of see where their priorities are.

And it happens more often than not. Oh, unbelievable. Yeah. That is so true. I cannot even reinforce that enough. So, uh, who becomes a close inner circle friend of mine as I see, I watch people that are more powerful, how do they treat people that are less powerful than them? I think we might've talked to that before. Yeah.

Uh, it, yeah, it's like, but to me, that's really important. I, I, money's cool. Running a business is cool. Having fame and know it right. Having people like you, it's like, but to me, that's really important. I, money's cool. Running a business is cool. Having fame and known right. Having people like you. It's awesome. There, you know, the ego part of us, the part of us that has low self-esteem or low self-worth, it lights the reassurance of, of, of people liking us that that feels good.

However, that, you know, is like cotton candy though. It, it's, if you don't validate yourself internally and your only validation comes externally, that's not good. And if you put yourself in a position where you start getting fame, you start getting success, but you don't develop and nurture yourself to go back to Bobby Kennedy, he goes to 12 step meetings, which are anonymous meetings. Now, of course people are going to know Bobby. So he has to have a group where he can, you know,

obviously still be in that place and be safe. That's an internal way of resourcing yourself, of building true esteem and that forces you to look at your character. So I guess my question is, I want to ask you this. So as you are, you know, by every means, someone could look at your following and be like, Oh my God, I got to get access to Sean because maybe he can expose me to people. How do you protect yourself, uh, from who's just trying to use you versus

who's collaborative? Who wants to utilize it? That is question, man. I get pulled in so many directions these days. I used to wake up to like no messages, no emails. And now it's like hundreds, maybe thousands a day. Yeah. And you can't keep up with it all. It's impossible. Yeah, you can't. You need good filters, man. That guys around me that just care about me,

they were here while I was broke. Like my fiance is one of them. They could just read people really well, man. Plus as a podcaster, I've been able to read people better now. It's been a great way of keeping my ego in check as well. So podcasting is almost like a form of therapy. You know? Yeah. So that's been great.

No, it is. Well, let me say that too, because I've been, I started my first podcast in 2005. So we're going on 20 years ago when no one even knew what the hell a podcast was. Then I started my first official podcast, the marketing one I do, with Dean Jackson in 2010. No one was doing podcasts back then. I mean, we didn't even promote it and we get 300,000 downloads per day. And it was like, it was an uncrowded market. And one of the things that happened along the way, I started seeing all of these people come out of the woodworks trying to get access. And I, I know more famous people from addiction recovery rooms and groups than I do from, you know, the people. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like people see me with all, all these different people, you know, because I've interviewed, I mean,

at this point in terms of official podcasts, I've probably done, I don't know, probably close to you. But in terms of the interviews, I've probably interviewed four or 5,000. Yeah, well, if you, I mean, I should just put every, like, I've got over a thousand 10-minute talks just for Genius Network members, and I've interviewed most of those people. So I've seen, I've seen a lot of stuff, and I've seen a lot of people change. And, you know, you said something really important about your fiancee, is that she was with you when you were broke. Yeah. Right. Is you need to protect yourself by not, by having people that will call you on

your shit, by people that are not yes people. And when you start surrounding, when you have this holier than mouths sort of attitude and you start VIP roping people to talk to you, you start traveling around with bodyguards, which some people do even they don't need bodyguards. That's all because they're super insecure and it's a posturing thing. It works because a lot of people think you're special if you pretend like you're special. But you gotta, you literally need to keep solid foundational people that aren't impressed with your status. Absolutely. That really want to protect you. But you also got to

be that person too. You got to protect and be willing to have them criticize who you are. I was talking to Alex Epstein about that. Like, have people that invite criticism, don't attack the messenger. Now there's two types of criticism though. There's tons of people that will criticize you that don't know you at all. So most criticism that's toxic and they don't really know who you are, they're taking a sound bite they disagree with and just

start attacking you as a person. Most criticism is like that is self-hatred turned outward, right? So but people that really know you that say hey you know check yourself before you wreck yourself. Right. So damn important and that's why I'm always encouraging people like if someone just does a podcast, but they don't do the internal work, they may sound smart, and they may convince themselves that they know their shit because they're talking to people that know their shit. Like look at how much 1500 interviews, including, you know, what I like about you is you interview people that you don't agree with. Cause you're trying to seek to understand, not to be understood by a Stephen Covey line, right?

And you're trying to explore perspective. Like, okay. I mean, don't live in an echo chamber. Like talk to people that have polar opposite beliefs as you. Cause you don't ever change anyone's mind by arguing with them. You can debate, you can open them up, but if it's constant just attack, attack, attack. So people that are really looking out for you that will call you on your shit is important. Secondly, you don't just want people that point out where you're screwed up or making mistakes.

They also come with, hey, take a look at it and here's another perspective or here's a solution. So, yeah, I like people that will call me on my shit, but they'll also offer a solution because if all they do is point out the bad news, but they don't say, here's how to think about this. Here's what we need to do is kind of like, oh, well, now you're just making me feel bad, but, uh, you know, it's sometimes there is no good news. Uh, you know, it's, it's like, no, this is fucked up and we need to, to deal with it. But, you know, everyone's going to go through those stages,

wherever you're at. That's our nominal advice. Because when I have people close to me just saying yes to everything, I'm like, dude, I do not like that. That's a red flag to me. State your opinion. They're trying to kiss up. And you want people that are critical thinkers

and that have enough care that they will, if you're getting injured, if you're overworked, they're gonna be like, hey man, get some lunch. Get some sleep. But a lot of times, that's why you've seen so much addiction in the entertainment field because some of these agents and managers are toxic because if they can keep the person running and drugged up and prop them up. You ever seen, you know, uh, pink Floyd, the wall, the movie? No, I haven't. Yeah. You know, it's, I mean, a little bit before your time.

However, you know, the band pink Floyd, I know, I know the band. Yeah. I know one of the members of pink Floyd who's full blown conservative, but no one would ever know. Really? Yeah. And he, you know, I was talking to him. I go, how do you, you, cause he lives in LA, right? And I'm like, how do you deal with so many of the people in the music and entertainment field that are completely woke? And he's like, well, what, for one acceptance, secondly, you know, I believe in the constitution. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want.

That's the beauty of America. And you also find out that facts trigger some people. If you, if you, you know, you tell them, here's the reality. Let me show you. And it triggers them. And so when someone's so far gone, you know, you do your best to love them, but also know that, you know, everyone's got their own path. Everyone's got their own journey.

Yeah. You know, what's that roomy thing you know beyond the field of beyond right and wrong there's a field you know I'll meet you there. However it goes. Sometimes you got to be like all right you know what's Ram Dass is like we're all just trying to walk each other home. Yeah. After you get through the anger and the in all this sort of stuff I mean. Do you have any what you say? What's that? What were you saying? No, no. Yeah. Like part, I, by the way, everything I'm saying here,

it's rare that I do that. Like I have to be at a higher, my higher self to often have this. Cause I mean, there's a lot of evil in the world. And there's some people like, Oh, you know, there, there, there is evil, I believe. So, you know, part of it is trying to get, know that however someone is and however they act, it's based on the atmospheric conditions of their life. My friend Dr. Don Wood says,

if you understood the atmospheric conditions of somebody's life, it would make sense why they are the way they are. See that dude's outfit? Like which guy? The guy in the red. Yeah. Yeah. The one you sent me yesterday was crazy with the horns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That guy stormed the top. Yeah. He was the care. J, yeah. Yeah. I'm kidding. The one you sent me yesterday was crazy with the horns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that guy stormed the top. The short one guy. He was the character. J6er.

Yeah. It's interesting to see the narrative on J6ers change so much. Oh my god. Yeah. I mean, they are really political prisoners, I mean, in a lot of ways. That's another example of framing. I remember during this G6 conference, I don't know how many years ago it was, in Canada,

and there were people protesting on the corner, just on this little corner. It wasn't violent or anything, but there were people screaming really loud, but I was seeing all over the news how there's this riots in Canada, and it just reinforced how much bullshit propaganda is pushed out on people and they don't see, you know, because we could talk about everyone being here, but unless the camera sees it, you don't really know everything going on. But yeah, there's so much framing. Like my interview with Tucker Carlson, I asked him what does he watch media-wise?

He's like, I've been there. I've worked in, I don't watch any. It's all bullshit. Like, I know who those people are. It's really interesting. So yeah, finding new sources through podcasts, finding new sources through, you know, Epoch Times. Who is my friend, Jan, who's the senior editor. You interviewed right before me. I mean, they're a great organization to really do the research. Unbiased sources. Yeah. They're rare these days. Cause a lot of people are getting paid off in one way or another and they're even infiltrating podcasts now. So you really got to be aware what's going on behind the scenes. Completely. Completely. I do not watch the news anymore. That's for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. The, I will only watch it to get a perspective on, um, pro pro again, like I'll watch CNN just to see like, let's see what horse shit they're baiting people today. That's so funny. Yeah I mean I limit it though because if you you know if you constantly expose yourself to fear porn it is a dopamine trainer and dopamine is the neurotransmitter of anticipation and violence and sex and everything else just draws your brain in and you got to be careful what you expose yourself to. Yeah. Kind of like it's like sunburn.

People like the sun is healthy not if you sit in it all well actually the sun is healthy all the stuff with sun I don't even wear sunglasses because that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, a whole podcast. About what they what they can you know it trains your your brain that not produce certain bumps in the skin. And, but, uh, you could get burned with anything you could overexpose. Part of this is moderation, but it's probably a good policy for peace of mind to not watch any news. For sure.

I look back at my early years of entrepreneurship and I was working the same hours and I was really dedicated. And I, I think one of the reasons I was so flatlined was the news and like just surrounding myself with the wrong energy Yeah, yeah information now. Yeah, because I was working 15 hours a day for four years straight But I was only making 50k a year right and but it kept you in that driven constant Exhausted but working, you know, it's it's it's it's tired and wired

Yeah, we live in a culture of people that are wired and they're tired because of screens and all that shit. Absolutely. But it's what's, you know, people will live in gated communities and they'll have alarm systems and they'll have cameras and they'll have all these sort of boundaries and memberships to things. But through the screens, there's no boundary. Right. They don't let anything into their brain. So the physical, they try to protect themselves from physical dangers, but oftentimes they're oblivious to the psychological dangers. And so the physical dangers are less than they've ever been before, even though the last five years of the pandemic had showed how much physical dangers. And when I say less, I say this as an American in a pretty great place for me.

There's a lot of people that are not in a great place. There's people that are in war-torn countries right now that there's no fucking safety. There's no psychological safety. There's no physical safety there's no psychological safety there's no physical safety their lives are horrible you know I mean I wake up every day and I try to remind myself that there's three billion people on the planet whose dreams would come true to change places with either one of us for like an hour you know it and so all that being said the psychological dangers are doing more damage to people in America than even the physical. I mean,

look at the rate of suicide with young people. Look what happens with soldiers. I mean, more soldiers die from suicide than die in combat. Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah. Let's crack. You know, it's like, why is that? It's not getting shot. It's not bombs. It's not all, you know, some of them die that way. However, it's this internal pain that's not addressed and it's sad. It's really sad. So that's, that's why, you know, I have, uh, addiction recovery. I just want to try to, uh, not, and again, it's not cause I'm some, uh, you know, philanthropic angel or anything. I mean, I don't pay myself any, anything from the foundation.

I devote a lot of time, but it helps me my own recovery. And if you want your life to be better, you think your life is difficult, go find someone whose life is more difficult, volunteer, be present with them, do that sort of stuff. Your life will get better. It's counterintuitive. It took, you know, and people that want to try to be contributing, if you're not contributing when you're broke, you're probably not going to be that much of a contributor when you have money unless you're doing it to virtue signal or try to look like you're doing good stuff in the world, which a lot of people

do. There's so many famous podcasters, authors, speakers that are basically communal narcissists. They give away cars. Jeffery Fuchs Yeah, they're constantly talking about how much money they're raising for all these things, but it's like, okay well, you know, how many things you do that you never tell anyone about. Some of the most euphoric feelings I've had is just giving a homeless guy a sandwich or something.

That's like the best I'll feel the whole day. Exactly. And someone doesn't have to go and broadcast that on social media or even tell your girlfriend or your spouse or your husband or your like, which is nice to do because oftentimes that will train people that's a good thing to do. So I'm not opposed to that because anything that will help people do big givers, but I will say if you're only doing it for public recognition, then it's not sincere. Absolutely.

It's, it's, it's a bit of a con and it's convincing yourself that you're a good person and if you have a lot of guilt and you have a lot of shame, there may be a tendency to try to make up for it. But I'll tell you, I tell people that aren't even in recovery, go to an open 12 step meeting and just sit there before you make a judgment on something and sit with people that are in pain and share experience, strength and hope with with them or listen to their experience, strength, and hope and it does wonders. Absolutely. And yeah, that's what I hope happens. I think that's happening here in a lot of ways. There's a friend of mine, Deanne

Adamson, who runs a psychedelic and plant medicine integration coaching business called Being True to You. And she's like, you know, the progressives in the woke culture are trying to take plant medicines and psychedelics and people are in a very vulnerable state and they're trying to program them in very bad ways, which she has a, I should have, I'll introduce you to her. Please. She'd be fascinating. I mean, how's that going?

Yes, fascinating. But it's, yeah, but it's, uh, you know, so be careful who you spend time with. Always look at, you know, your own behavior, who you're doing. And, uh, like you said, you know, pursue people that make you feel good and are awesome. And I call it, uh, Elf versus that, which we talked to Chris Voss about, you know, who are people, projects, things, activities that for you, not me, I don't tell anyone what success is.

There's certain things that I don't play golf. I have friends that love golf. It's like the greatest thing in the world. I always use the George Carlin line. I think it's a waste of reals. But you know, but it's really not. I say that just to piss off golfers, but it's like who, what is ELF, easy, lucrative and fun or easy liberating and fun if no money's involved and what is half, hard, annoying, lame and frustrating or oftentimes hard, annoying, lucrative and fun or easy liberating and fun if no money's involved in what is half, hard,

annoying, lame and frustrating, or oftentimes hard, annoying, lucrative. And so put more elf in your life, people, and get rid of the half. And if you get rid of more of the half, you have more time for the elf. And that's, that is life. Yes, sir. I love it, man. Joe, what's next for you? I'm joining Genius Network next year, so I can't wait to be there.

What else you got coming up? I love it. You know, what's next? Boy. Genius Network next year, so I can't wait to be there. What else you got coming up? I love it. You know, what's next? Boy, we're going to say hopefully save 20,000 lives a year with putting physical

Genius Recovery kits into homes and recovery centers and, you know, any organizations that want to support addiction recovery, GeniusRecovery.org is our educational platform. Just building out my ghost town. I have a 40 acre ghost town called Cleeter, Arizona. Nice. That, you know, Cleeter, I've turned it into a term we what's a goal, a dream, something crazy that you never think you would do.

So I started, you know, this is the couple of friends and we want it's our version of like a moonshot. Yeah. You know, what is your cleeter? Because I never thought I'd buy a damn ghost town. And it's one of the funnest artists platforms that I have. And then in 2025, you know, shit man, just, you know, the Maha event kind of came in a lot of ways because I introduced Cali Means to Bobby Kennedy that led to the introduction to Trump. And then seeing that and there's no Maha without addiction recovery. So that and just, you know,

hopefully keep trying to be the best version of myself as I can be purge the the shit that I don't like and you know do more of the stuff that I do like and And learning from people like you too. Like I've always been like ignoring social media for the most part Yeah, and I don't really like it. But when you don't really like something that's because you have it really vibed at the end Nothing's ultimately good or bad. It's just you know, do you Is it working for you or not? So when people like I It's just, you know, do you, is it working for you or not? So when people like, I hate marketing, well, you wouldn't hate marketing if it's, you know, supporting what it is you're trying to do. So I don't think anything's ultimately per se, well, some things are, but when I'm talking like certain types

of advertising, marketing, messaging is per se good or bad. It's there's certain tools you use and others that you don't. What I don't like about social media is it is magnetically draws me in out of curiosity and I'm a super curious person so I have to protect myself if I put stuff out there. How are people responding to it? So you know, yeah, just trying to raise my level of consciousness. I love it man. Yeah, we'll link your stuff below. Thanks for coming on again. Thanks for watching guys. Check out his stuff. See you next time. See you next time. See you next time.

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