Digital Social Hour - The Entrepreneurial Journey Behind Stem Cell Breakthroughs | Dawne Russell DSH #1383

Episode Date: May 25, 2025

Unlock the secrets behind game-changing stem cell breakthroughs and a transformative entrepreneurial journey! 🚀 Join Sean Kelly on the Digital Social Hour as he dives into an exhilarating conversation with Dawne, a medical aesthetics expert turned stem cell pioneer. From running a successful clinic to discovering the power of umbilical cord stem cell therapy in Costa Rica, Dawne shares how her passion for healing led to revolutionary results in combating inflammation, autoimmune issues, trauma, and more. 🌟 Plus, hear about her life-changing experiences with psychedelics and how they intersect with physical and emotional healing. This episode is packed with valuable insights on regenerative medicine, integrative health practices, and the future of wellness. 🌿✨ Don’t miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets! 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🔥 Join the conversation and discover how stem cells are reshaping lives and industries. 💬💡 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - Stem Cells Journey 06:38 - Starting a Business 10:15 - Stem Cell Frequency 11:34 - Ceremony Count 15:52 - Memorable Ceremony Experience 17:57 - Ayahuasca Visions 20:00 - Unique Ceremony Experiences 21:06 - Purpose in Experiences 21:20 - Legalizing Psychedelics 23:20 - Psychedelic Safety 28:35 - Microdosing Benefits 30:10 - Mindful Medications 31:30 - Postpartum Depression Insights 35:51 - Common Health Issues 37:28 - Stem Cells for Autism Treatment 38:58 - Exosome Therapy 41:39 - P-Shots Explained 43:02 - Umbilical Cord Stem Cells 45:50 - Canada’s Pandemic Response 49:23 - Overcoming Burnout 50:29 - Closing Remarks APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Dawne Russell https://www.instagram.com/dawner_21/ https://www.instagram.com/slatenaturalwellness LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are solely those of the individuals appearing on the podcast and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. While we encourage open and honest conversations, Sean Kelly is not legally responsible for any statements, claims, or opinions made by guests during the show. Listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions and consult professionals for advice where appropriate. Content on this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice. Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad #stemcelltourism #stemcelltherapyaccess #stemcelltreatmentforautism #spiritualawakening #stemcells

Let's go. Yeah. I'm not surprised that, you know, damn is it ever, right? I'll be taking this back to, you know, I tell, I tell Tina, I'm like, I call her headquarters. I'm like, I would take this back to headquarters. She'll be like, of course. Okay. What are we doing?

Penises? Let's go. Take it back there because guys will be your biggest word of mouth marketing after you give them that one. Yeah. No doubt. Okay guys got Dawn here today. We're going to talk stem cells and psychedelics.

Yeah. What a combo, huh? Such a good combo. It's amazing. I got to learn how you stumbled across this business. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, so I've got a background in medical aesthetics. I'm a medical esthetician and I had a big medical aesthetics clinic.

And the second one that I had, I built that from the ground up. And for about five and a half years, I just worked myself to the bone. You know, when you start a new business, that's, that's what it takes, right? There's really no shortcuts. So, um, I just got to the point where I was, you

know, getting pretty burnt out. Um, but I had, I had a couple of clients that I had been doing treatments on, you know, like laser resurfacing and that kind of stuff. So that's where I really started to kind of tap into stem cells because they were in their like late 60s, early 70s. And you know, I would do like a resurfacing treatment, a laser treatment on Rita and she would just heal so quick. I'm thinking as you get older, your epidermis takes a little bit longer to heal. So you know, she'd roll in to get some sunscreen or something.

I'd look at her face and I was like, okay, what's happening here? Like, why are you healing so quickly? So she eventually said to me, she said, well, listen, we've been going to Costa Rica since our forties and we've been doing full body umbilical cord stem cell therapy. So that's where it really just kind of tapped into it. I thought, okay, now it's kind of making sense because not only did these two heal really quick, but they were vibrant, never sick.

You could just like, they moved really well. So I thought, okay, so I really started to like tap into that. And my partner at the time, my medical director of my clinic, he had a background in vascular surgery. And you know, he was doing Botox and filler and all the stuff in the clinic. And I went up and I said,

Andrew, we need to do stem cells. And he said, what do you mean do stem cells? I said, we need to do like full body umbilical cord stem cell therapy. And he said, oh yeah, no, we're not allowed. And I said, what do you mean we're not allowed? So we can't do that in Canada. Like you can't, I think we can do localized injections. And I said, well, why not?

He said, oh, I'm sure you'll tell me. Cause I'm just that kind of person where I'm like, okay, I need to dig into this. So, um, over the next couple of years, I started to really do a lot of personal research into it. And, you know, I'm from Vancouver, Canada, and it's, it was just kind of roadblock after roadblock after roadblock. Um, you know, I'm not a doctor or anything like that. So I only had limited access to that kind of stuff.

So, you know, I kind of let it go, but I really kept researching it still. So lo and behold, uh, few years later, I just got super burnt out and I was like, man, I got to go and go on a vacay and get a little bit of work life balance back. You know, like what can I do where I can go and just chill out? Um, I knew I couldn't go to yoga retreat cause you know, back then I was pretty alpha aid type, I'm like, I need to go somewhere where I cannot control the program, but I'll be running that ship by the end of the week. I'm like, I need to go somewhere.

And, uh, a friend of mine had told me about Ayahuasca. And so I thought, you know what? I'm going to try this. And like, just a little sidebar on me, like I'm ultra vanilla. I've never done a drug in my life, barely take Tylenol. Like I am like, when people heard I was doing this, they're like, holy smokes, especially my son. You know, he's a professional hockey player. He's like, mom, do you was doing this, they're like, holy smokes, especially my son.

And he's a professional hockey player. He said, mom, do you know what you're going to do? I said, yeah, I think this is what I need. So down to Costa Rica I go and I did a week of ayahuasca and lo and behold, the place that I went to had a stem cell therapy clinic. Wow. Site. I know.

So I was like, and by that time I had done about five years research. So I was really dialed in and I was like, okay, this is epic. Like cool. Um, so I did my week there and I came back home. Totally, total life changing for me. Um, came back home at about three months later, they reached out to me and said, Hey, would you ever consider coming down here and working with us? I thought to myself, what am I going to do in an ayahuasca retreat?

Like, you know, and they said, well, we would love for you to work in our STEM cell clinic. And I just sat there and like, okay, I have to do this. So, you know, I took a couple of days to think about it. And I thought, you know, I'm going to sell my clinic because I can't be down in Costa Rica for half the year and be here running a successful clinic. Um, so I sold my clinic, wrapped that deal up in about five months and off to Costa Rica I went and I was there for two years and it was amazing.

So I got to work in the stem cell clinic. Um, every day, pretty much for two years, we did about 30 to 40 treatments a week. So I really got to see the benefits of what stem cells do. Um, so, you know, I, I'm kind of in that position where it's like, you're not a doctor, you know, you're not this, you're not that. I'm like, yeah, but I got the experience and I do it myself and I've seen it like firsthand, you know,

like it's just within 24 hours. Backward. Yeah. Like people with really bad rheumatoid arthritis, inflammation, pain generally gone next day. Hold on. Like I've seen this like week after week after week for two years. And I'm such an experience based person.

Like I'm that type where I'm gonna prove it to me. You gotta prove it to me. If I'm gonna talk about it or do it, like I gotta know that it works. So we saw, well, I saw everything in that two years from chronic pain, you know, like, um, like disc regeneration, auto-immune, Lyme, Crohn's, like just tons of things. And I kind of did my own research because the place that I was at didn't really do a lot of like pre and post, um, research on the treatments, but I see it in contact with a lot of the clients from there.

Cause I really, cause I'm like, okay, well, this is cool and I'm seeing this within 24 hours, but like, what's the long-term on stem cell therapy? Like what's the long-term going to be? And I'm still in contact with these people and they feel amazing. And it's just, so, you know, I, I was there for two years, I ended up coming back.

I have two amazing business partners, which is a doctor and a nurse, you know, so I got my heavies with me now. Um, but I met them down there and they came and did stem cell therapy. So they were down there to do ayahuasca and they actually ended up doing stem cells with me when they were there. Cause I was doing all the education and the consultations and whatnot. And, uh, Tina, my business partner, Dr.

Hills, she looked at me and she's like, how the hell, like no offense, but like I'm an ER doc for the last two decades. How the hell do I not know about this? And she's from Texas, you know, and I said, well, I've got my ideas as to why, because if I told you what I'm about to tell you and how much I've seen that this heals and fix things, that's why. So you got a business. Yeah.

And, uh, she had been a powerlifter back in the day. So she had been dealing with like chronic back pain for years. So she's like, you know what, I'm doing this. Like, I really want to do this. So she did the STEM cells. Sure enough. Gone. Wow.

Yeah. So, you know, I got, uh, I got back home and I ended up leaving Costa Rica and I came back home, you know, I have two kids, my daughter just had a baby. So I'm like, I gotta get back home. I can't be like that hippie grandma that like lives down in Costa Rica. And so, um, I came back, I guess, almost a year and a half ago now.

And, uh, Tina reached out to me and said, Hey, you know, like we're thinking about getting into this, like this changed my life. And she said, you know, I've been a doctor now for over two decades in the ER. And she said, and I really want to help people heal, like I want to, I want to help them with this. I just don't want to be putting them on a bunch of pharmaceutical drugs and managing

their symptoms. Like I really want to help them in this like last leg of, you know, work for me. So I said, girl, I'm in like, what are we going to do? What's this going to look like? And so what we've done is we've put together like little clinics, you know, so it's, we can't do it in Canada. So you can not localize injections or what they allow in Canada. Typically they're from your own, like you can get donor cells in Canada, but typically they have you harvest them from your bone marrow or your fat,

which is stem cells, not even doing what they're supposed to be doing in the first place. So essentially to me, it's like a cortisone shot really, you know, when you're doing that kind of thing. Um, so we offered in the U S only. And the nice thing about the U S is it here, they've got something called the research and development model. So we're able to operate operate under that, but we're not allowed to say it

heals anything, right? We're not allowed to call it a treatment. We have to call it therapy, but we don't, we don't care. Cause we're like, you know what? We'll call it a therapy. We won't claim that it heals anything, although it does. And we'll just roll. Your customers will talk about it. Yeah. 100%. Well, cause the results are just unbelievable. Saving any pill I'd imagine.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm, I'm the one that it's like, I've had so much experience with it that it's like, people will try to like, what about this and what about this and what about that? And I'm like, you know, there's all sorts of things that come up just because people aren't really educated on it. And a lot of Canadian doctors, like they're not even allowed to talk about it. Right. They're not even allowed to like, you know, when I've got some very good friends that are doctors and they're like, we want to refer clients to you, Don, but like we risk losing our license and we are not allowed to be, I know.

So I'm like, okay, well, you don't have to tell them that you, you know, I'm like, just get them over here. So, um, we do it in the U S so we're doing it in Birch Bay, Washington, um, New York, Vegas, Texas. Yeah. So we're doing pop-up clinics. And the nice thing about us is we just, we want to travel. Like we're all in a position where we can really kind of do what we want.

And that's what we love, right? It's like, we went to New York. We just like, we did a concierge, you know, um, service for a group of people. So, and it's like, yeah, we'll come to you. And that's the other way of keeping our costs down as well, you know, cause you can go to central America and there's some amazing stem cell clinics out there because you know, STEM cell therapy in central America is normal medical practice. Like when you tell them over there, this is not offered like broadly offered

in the U S or Canada, they're like, why it's the best thing on the planet. What really? Yeah. Like it's a little too healing. That fixes everything. Big farm over there. That's right. Exactly.

They do, but it's a very separate, you know, it's not, there's not the big cahoots like there is here. Cause of the insurance probably. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. That's interesting. Have you seen the urine stem cells stuff too? Um, yeah.

I actually saw that on your podcast. I was looking. I wonder how, how that effectiveness is compared to like the umbilical cord. Yeah, well, you know, and I don't, I can't really speak to that because I haven't done a lot of research into that. I actually just listened to that on your podcast.

That would be something Dr. Hills would definitely be able to like know, you know, right off the cuff. But I don't know, like the efficacy of them once they're in your, like, I don't know if they would be, I don't know. That's interesting. I will look into it though. Cause I saw that I thought this is, this is interesting, you know, but there's so much more in urine, right?

That you're, that you, you got to contend with other than just doing pure umbilical cord stem cells. So, yeah. How often are you getting stem cells on you? Um, I did them about two and a half months ago. So I, and then before that, about three years. So I do them basically for preventative. So, you know, because before you have anything

going on in your body, you, like you have symptoms and that's when you know. So you never really know a thing's going on until you have the symptoms. So, you know, stem cells, they go in and they address. The cool thing about them is they go in and they address things that you know about them is they go in and they address things that you know about, but also things that you don't.

Right? So I'm a big preventative. And so I'll probably do them once every like three years. Something like that. You'll stack a little ayahuasca. Yeah. Well I've done 54 cells. That's the most I've heard. You know I should be a Buddha, right? That's the most I've heard by probably 10x.

Oh really? Yeah. Okay. That might be a record. Yeah. Well, you know what the crazy part is? Is I've heard by probably 10x. Oh really? Yeah. Okay. That might be a record. Yeah. Well, you know what the crazy part is? Is I've worked with people there that have done hundreds. No way.

Hundreds. What? Yes. Hundreds of ceremonies. I know like I'm like a baby bird. I feel it. Yeah. There's people that have been like in, I'm talking in the hundreds, if not thousands.

I feel like there's diminishing returns at that point though. That's a slip. It can be a slippery slope. So when you're doing that much plant medicine, one of the biggest things with doing psychedelics and plant medicine is to make sure you're doing the integration, right? So you can do these plant medicine ceremonies. And then it's like, then you, you know, you tap in, cause you know, you tap into your subconscious mind when you're in that. And then you got to come back to this reality and you got to function here, but you can't unknow what you just went through. So integration is really, really, it's a big component.

So when you're going into something like that, especially like we do medically led plant medicine therapy, like for trauma, and it's really important that, you know, you help people process, you know, because sometimes it can be a little tough to be in this reality. And you're like, you know, cause you go back and you can see certain things. And so yeah, integration is huge. Now, when you get into the people that are doing a lot of like, say, ayahuasca, for example, say in hundreds of ceremonies, they're not taking time

to do the integration. It can go the opposite direction. It can inflate the ego, right? And then you've got like, it's almost like you're dealing with this big, dark, heavy energy, right? Because you have to integrate that. Cause if not, it's kind of like just stacks and stacks and stacks. Um, so, you know, I, I don't know a ton about that.

I recently, you know, kind of ran into a situation like that, but, um, a really good friend of mine, she's a clinical psychologist and psychotherapist. And she deals with a lot of, um, people that journey in plant medicine. So one of the things that she is, you know, really adamant about, which we practice as well. It's like before you do any sort of therapy with her, you have to have an integration plan in place. No, she's like, it doesn't have to be with me,

but they have to do that. That's cool. Because that's where you really get the benefits. Like, you know, you take the wisdom that you learned and you apply it into your life. with me, but they have to do that. Because that's where you really get the benefits. Like, you know, you take the wisdom that you learned and you apply it into your life, right? You got to do your due diligence on the retreats too, right? Cause there's a lot of scams and stuff.

100%. Um, yeah, like you really want to make sure where you're going is safe. And you know, one of the biggest things is people don't understand, but there's medications that you can't be on. Like SSRIs, like you got to make sure that you're off of certain medications, you know, cause some ayahuasca is no joke, you know, and it's, uh, produces DMT.

So there's all sorts of stuff going on. So, you know, with retreats, you just really want to make sure that there's a medical team. Right. Like there is in Costa Rica, there's a few, you know, some that are just medically led. There should always be a medical intake. You really want to make sure you're doing it with a shaman, not Ted from Seattle that

claims to be a shaman. He's coming to North Van and he's doing ayahuasca in someone's basement. You'd be shocked. People do that. You know, because these people, you know, they're pretty convincing, right? Like they're pretty convincing because this plant medicine they're pretty convincing. Cause this is, this plant medicine space is just really becoming a thing right now. And there's a lot of people that are kind of getting into it

and wanting to capitalize on it. So you just really got to be careful. Yeah, I'm through with Nihiluska. I want to be in a jungle. Yeah. I don't want to get a dark basement. No, you want to be with the Colombians or whatever, you know, someone that actually knows what they're doing.

And, you know, cause it can really be an amazing, beautiful thing. I've seen it heal a lot of trauma. Yep. Which everyone has these days. Everybody's got something right. Like whether it was just something as simple as being left in your crib as a baby to cry, you know, which the old school baby boomers thought that was a thing, like, you know, working, I worked in ceremony. I worked in ayahuasca ceremony for probably

about a year when I was there. And it's like, when you sit with people and you talk to them after it's like everybody's trauma is so different. And what would be like nothing to say you or me was huge to them at that time. Right. Like, and a lot of people's brains, well,

everybody's brains are developing from the time they're born to about 14, like solidly. So, you know, there's a lot of trauma that goes on in that first, like seven years, especially. Right. So yeah, that's what Ayahuasca helps you tap back into that kind of, those areas. And which one of your 54 stands out to you the most?

Ooh, let me see. Was it the first one? Oh, you know, there, this one probably stands out the most or was the night I was in ceremony and it was loud, just loud in my ceremony and I was sitting there and the medicine said to me, listen, just chill out. Because what happens was I'm a total control freak.

You know what I mean? I never lose control. I like to be in control. And the medicine said to me, you know, if you just sit and get quiet, just chill out and just sit with trust, just trust. And she said, and then I'm going to make you feel like you've never felt in your life. So a lot of the time in Ayahuasca, when you'd start to get that really good sensation, like we're not used to, most people aren't used to feeling that good.

Right. Like, because, you know, you think about the food, you think about lifestyle, like most of us don't even know how crummy we actually feel. So that ceremony, I sat there and I'm not kidding you Sean, for like two hours, like a Buddha sat in ceremony. And my boyfriend was working in ceremony that night and he's like, babe, where did you go? Like you were like literally like a statue. I said, I know, like I turned into like that concrete statue he's like, babe, where did you go? Like you were like, literally like a statue. I said, I know, like I turned into like that concrete statue that's outside it.

I just was like, sat there for like two hours. And then I had the most amazing feelings throughout my whole body. And by that time I was able to not panic to be like, Hey, what the hell is this? And, uh, that was really profound for me. Cause I actually just was able to sit, got really quiet. I'm like, okay, I'm going to trust this. I'm not going to try to figure it out. Can never figure out ayahuasca.

Everybody tries to make sense of it. And it's one of those things where it's like, don't try to make sense of it because you're just not going to be able to. And that one really stood out to me. You know, it's like when we get really quiet, we quiet our minds. Sometimes you can go to the most beautiful place. So that was a big one for me. And I remember that one often, like, you know, I do daily meditation and I kind of go back to that ceremony and I'm just like, okay, yeah. And I can go into that same place of feeling unreal.

So that was a big one for me. Did you see aliens on that one? No, I've never seen aliens on any of the 54. No, there's a lot of people see, they see some, they see some cool stuff. And one of the 54? No, because a lot of people say they see something. They see some cool stuff. And one of the cool things about ayahuasca is, so the place that I was at, we did about a hundred people a week.

So like, I know anywhere between like say 50 to a hundred, mostly a hundred, right? So you've got a hundred people doing ayahuasca together. So when you talk to people and week after week, it's like, they kind of saw the same things, right? You know, like there's, for instance, there's these little minions, right? And then, or there's like this huge octopus or there's this like praying mantis. So it's like week after week, I'm like, okay, shit.

This people are seeing the same things in this and it's people that don't know each other. So yeah, there's some cool stuff. I never saw anything like that. I mean, I saw some cool stuff. You know, there was actually one night where I was in ceremony and I thought, oh, I'm, you know, I'm feeling okay. I'm going to go back to my room. I think I'm done with ceremony and I worked there.

So like, typically you can't go back to your room. We've got to wait till ceremony is over, but I was like, oh, I'm fine. I'll go back to my room. And I went over to my boyfriend and said, babe, I'm going to go back to the room. Like, I'm good. He's like, you're not going back to the room.

He's like, it's like midnight. You're not, you need to stay here. He's like, just go chill by the fire. So I'm like, okay, because the cool thing about ayahuasca too is you kind of feel like coherent, you know what I mean? Like, so it's like, you kind of like, oh, okay, I'm good. So I went out to the fire and I laid on the concrete bench and I'm laying there and all of a sudden I could see this village in the grass, like a fully functioning little village

of like, I'm like, I'm not okay to go back to her. Holy shit. Good thing you made me stay. And, you know, and it was one of those things where it's like, it just looks like this, like it wasn't like, you know, trippy, I've never done any sort of psychedelic, whether I really see that like trippy, whatever. Um, so I don't really have anything to compare it to, but, you know, like, you know, there's pintas and ayahuasca and like, you know, the kaleidoscope stuff.

And I never saw any of that. I know people would tell me, I'm like, damn, I haven't seen that. I really want to see it. I wonder why some people see it and others don't. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it is interesting that, but you know, quite a few people do see it. And then there's quite a few people that don't. Right. So everybody, everyone's so unique and so different.

So, and never is there a ceremony that's the same. If you would think you would kind of start to get used to it, every single one is different. They're never the same. Different in what way? Every way. Sometimes it can be the most beautiful, amazing, fantastic night.

And then the next night you're in the fucking depths of hell. Like, I'm not even kidding. You're like, oh, there was so many times I'm like, I'm never doing this again. Like, babe, we got to go back to Canada. We got to go home. This shit's crazy. You know? And then it's like, okay, what day am I going to do it next week? So working there, I drank sometimes once or twice a week. So that's why I was able to, you know, do so many ceremonies. But one thing with me is just instinctively, I knew I needed to do the integration because

I'm such a prove it to me person. Like I didn't try to figure everything out, but you know, there was times where I'd come at a ceremony and I'd be like, what the hell was that? And then six months later, something comes up and I'm like, ah, okay. Cause it's not always for right now. Right. It can be like for now, a week later, six months later, two years later. Yeah. So yeah, it's pretty cool. I believe in right? It can be like for now a week later six months later two years later Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. I believe in that too. I think everything happens for a reason hundred percent

Some people want it instantly but takes time for certain things Yeah, exactly took you however long to get where you're at. Like it's you know, so yeah, it's just pretty cool That is cool. Yeah, I hope they look more into it in the US psychedelics and maybe legalize some of them I'm hoping so because you know, for like PTSD and trauma, it's one of the most amazing things and the place where I was at, we had a ton of like war veterans, you know, a ton of people come through that were a lot of them suicidal that were just having a really hard time living after what they had gone through. And I mean, there's probably like three or four guys that really stick out in my mind

that, you know, at the end of a ceremony, people can share if they want. And, you know, one gentleman in particular came in and he had tried to commit suicide a couple of times. He had watched his best friend get blown up, his wife get blown up, and he's like, I just don't want to be here anymore, man. Like, this is my last hope.

And by the end of that week, he stood up and he's like, I am so happy to be alive. And, you know, he forgave himself. And just so it was really, it's really transformative, you know, when you can really sit with something like that and tap in and, you know, really like go inside. And, you know, because one of his big things that he shared is like, you know, like I was allowed to kill women and children and for what? No, it's like, that was powerful his big things that he shared is like, you know, like I was allowed to kill women and children and for what? No, it's like, that was powerful. No, cause he had this guilt.

And so by the end of that week, he was forgiving himself. He was feeling amazing. And we're just like, I know. Right. And you know, you think of how many, how many people struggle, you know, especially in the U S I mean, Canada, we don't, we don't really have like the big military, you know, anything like that. So we don't, we don't really don't really hear a lot of that there.

Um, but in the U S I mean, there's time and a lot of the people that came to where I was at 90% were Americans. Really? Yep. Damn. We got some healing to do. Um, but they're doing the work, you know, like they're doing the work. It's not, it's not easy.

You know, like that is not a party. It's not a vacation, it's not a party. It's serious work and it's pretty awesome. America might have the most trauma out of anyone. No doubt. Even though we got all this money, we just, mental health out here is terrible. Yeah, and that's one of the big things with us, you know?

Like we're, we want to get people back to a place where they're feeling good, Their bodies are feeling good. And, you know, we coach them not only with the regenerative medicine, but like we coach them with like breath work and meditation and really like a lifestyle as well. And, you know, like with doing, um, the medically led, you know, plant medicine therapy, it's been amazing, you know, and the biggest thing for me is safety. Right. So, you know, I have a lot of Canadian clients and friends and I recruit a lot of Canadians to come down and see us in Birch Bay, Washington. And that's the big thing. It's like, you know, the business partner is an ER doc, ER nurse.

They're both so incredibly wise and have so much and they've, and they've done ayahuasca, you know, I think, I don't know, I think each of them have done maybe about 12 ceremonies, but you know, I think, I don't know, I think each of them have done maybe about 12 ceremonies, but you know, they really, they're those real like, Dr. Hills is like your real doctor. Like she's also an osteo doc. So she gets into your body and manipulates your organs and like helps you to, you know, figure out what's stuck.

And so we prepare the body. So she'll do a 90 minute bodywork session, like an osteo energetic bodywork session, prepare your body. So like she'll get in, she'll be in people's shoulder blades so deep and she'll be like, Ooh, what are you holding on? What is this? Right. And we'll just have people releasing, like releasing trauma. I need that. Yeah, I know. Right. And she's just like, it's the most amazing thing to watch. You know, I kind of joke, I'm like, I'm like the water girl. I'm the assistant and I just, but I learned so much watching her work.

So we love that. We pride ourselves on that is really preparing the body and then doing the stem cells, but also, you know, having the integration. We have to have that because people are really processing a lot of emotion, right? There's so much emotion when you get into their body because you know, a lot of trauma, a lot of people hold that in their tissue, you know? And so you're holding that like some people hold it in their shoulders, you know, stomach, wherever.

So she gets into the body and it's like, she just zones in on it. I love that. I love how you incorporate both like their physical and the spiritual. Yeah. Because a lot of doctors focus on one. Exactly.

And managing the symptoms. Like, you know, Tina, like we get to the root. We're like, okay. But it's like, we start with the body, right? So it's like, okay, let's work. Like, let's find out what's really, what's the problem? What's the real problem here? So we get into their body and, you know,

get them talking and get them processing things and then coach them from there too. Because a lot of people come in and they're like, Holy shit, I don't know. I don't know why I just talked about that or what's going on, but like, hold now what we're like, we got you, don't worry. And that's where integration is so important, you know, and her and Troy know the body so incredibly well. And you know, they coach on diet, um, like a mindful practice.

And we're all kind of crazy nuts with cold plunge, do breathwork meditation. You know, I was just telling them, I'm like Rain Man, I have the same routine, like, man, I do the same shit every single day. And we left Texas, we left Houston yesterday and I didn't have time to get a coffee. And I'm like, that's part of my routine. I get up in the morning, I make my coffee. I journal, read. I do my meditation. I cold plunge and I couldn't get a coffee. And cause we were running a bit behind.

So then we finally get to the airport Starbucks. I grab a Starbucks thing, messed up my order. So I'm like, oh damn. So I'll go get another one, messed it up again. So I'm like, screw it. I'm just gonna. Whatever. Yeah.

That's the sign at that point. It is. And they had put a bunch of vanilla syrup in it. I'm like, I cannot drink this. So I threw it out. Then we get on the plane and the plane was delayed two hours. So we're sitting on the plane for two hours, no coffee service. So I'm just sitting there going, holy shit.

And Tina's looking at me, she's like, you're pretty good considering. And I'm like, man, you know, but like, I just have that routine, like routine, routine, routine. And you know what? And it serves me, right? Because that's how I start my day. Every single day I started with a really solid foundation and I just get really quiet, goes back to that ceremony and ayahuasca and it's like, man, this is where I'm gonna start.

You know, I really take care of my body and my mind and then I just go from there. That's the hardest part of the day. So if you can lock that in, you know, the rest of the day is easy. Yeah, well, cold point, Jane, there's days where I'm like, I'm crazy. Why am I doing this? Like there's days where I will cold plunge. Like I've smashed the ice off of the top of my hole, plunged and jumped in. And I'm like, everything else today is going

to be so easy after doing this, you know, and you feel amazing. It gets the craziest, most amazing dopamine hit for like six hours. You know, so it's like- While I lost that long. Yeah. If the temperature is the correct, you know, you can't be in like lukewarm. Yeah. But yeah, like you literally like, and I do like the hot and colds all sauna and do the cold plunging.

She always end on the cold, but just your body feels unreal. And so, I mean, actually someone said to me that you get, I've never done cocaine in my life So someone said what a line right there That you get that same feeling like that initial same feeling but for like a six hour period Wow, why aren't these people that are addicted to cocaine cold plunging like legit? You should put that on a shirt right now. All right, no shit. I got a circle bungee my right

I got a pool, but it's amazing actually really really hot now so I don't think that would work anymore but maybe I'll buy a tub. Yeah, do it. I got a sauna already, that's a game changer. Oh it's such a game changer. I did that this morning. Like I just sauna, I do my meditation. I'm a microdoser. So I'm a microdose mushrooms. Five on, two off. And I'll just take my microdose. I'll go sit in the sauna. And most of the time,

that's where I just get into my meditation is in there. Do that for like 30 minutes and then do a cold plunge. And yeah, like it's such a game. And it's so good for you too, right? That's so good. I love microdosing. Yeah, I know me too. I've started doing it now probably,

I guess I've been like solid microdoser for, I don't know, I want to say like maybe eight or 10 months. Okay. Yeah, love it. I need to start getting into a routine with that because I'm just off and on with it. Yeah. And you know, it's one of the things

where a lot of people will say to me, well, what am I gonna feel? Or what am I gonna see? Or, you know, or they're nervous because they're like, jeez, I gotta work today. I'm like, yeah, but that's a point you can, you're not gonna be seeing anything, you're not having a party, you're not getting high,

you're not gonna start to see weird things. I said, you know, one of the biggest things for me with microdosing is, you know, I just feel that it, it just kind of helps you to process things better, slows things down, you're much more present. And you know, with how busy I am and all the things that I have going on, I just find that it's like, it grounds me, right?

Like it just, it's fantastic and kind of like smooths me out a little bit. You know, I said to my boyfriend one day, I said, babe, can you tell when I'm not microdosing? He's like, oh yeah. I said, how? He's like, you're just a little more hardcore. He's like, when you're microdosing, you know, a little bit nicer. You're more locked in. Yeah, exactly.

It's like a natural adderall people. So. A 100%. And, you know, I, know, one of the big things too is that's another thing with microdosing mushrooms is that's a huge train everyone's wanting to capitalize on right now. Right, and that's another thing.

It's like, if you're gonna be microdosing, like really look into who the founder is, like what's their why? You know, I'm working with a guy, his name's Keegan Downer, and he owns a company called Mindful Meds. And I talked to him a number of times before I started taking his mushrooms. Cause I wanted to know him like, what's your background?

Like, how did you stumble across this? Like what's your, what's your motivation? Right. And it's really important because I feel that the mushrooms really hold the energy of who's at the top, you know? So for me, you know, he's just that, he's unreal and he's super knowledgeable. He's got a great story, you know?

And he really truly wants to help people heal. And that's why I was like, bro, we're gonna collab. Like we're gonna, so we refer a lot of people to his website because we also try to get people on that as well, right? So it's part of like that mindful, you know, it's great. You can come and do stem cells with us and we can get you in real good shape, but you want to maintain it.

Right? Like that's the thing. So, yeah, it's been a, it's been a huge thing. No, I love that mindset because the quality of the supplement or whatever you're taking with like stem cells or mushrooms, you need to do your research. A hundred percent. And you know, my daughter just had a baby seven weeks ago now. And, uh, grandmother, I know, right? I know there's days where I'm just like, whoa, holy shit.

I'm a grandma. My name's go-go. They call me, she's like, mom, you're always on the go. You're going to be go-go. I'm like, I'll take it. Um, and, and, you know, my daughter had a little bit of postpartum, you know, because she had a pretty, you know, pretty crazy labor. And so she's, but you know, got into this postpartum.

It was struggling a little bit. So anyways, I'm there with her cause I stayed with her for about three and a half, four weeks. And, uh, so the doctor writes the prescription and I call, we FaceTime Tina and Troy cause they were in Texas. We were in Canada. And I said, Hey you guys, this is what the doctor has prescribed for Cass. Breastfeeding mom with a baby that's three weeks old.

Tina looked at that and said, do not take that. That baby is getting 4% of that dosage. She's brand new. It's going to mess up her development. Do not. She's like, she prescribed that to her. Wow. I said, yeah.

And she's like, that is an intense antidepressant. You have to be very careful starting, very careful getting off. And I said, well, the crazy part is, is the doctor actually told her, you know, you should stay on it for six months and then make sure that you're actually in a good state for another six months. So I'm like, so they're basically saying stay on it for a year. So anyways, you know, my poor daughter is like a new mom. She's like going through the emotions and she's like, mom, like, man, what

am I going to do here? And I'm like, you know what? Fuck man, you got a microdose. And then she goes, well, is it safe? I said, it's going to be safer than that pharmaceutical drug that they were just going to put you on. So of course, you know, I called Keegan and he's like, listen, I can't tell you yes or no to do it or not to do it.

And I said, if your wife was going through this, what would you give her? He's like, Hey, if, and she's not,'s not you know he's very this is what I would give her so I said send it ship it and so Cass has been micro dosing and taking functional mushrooms for probably I don't know like four weeks and she's doing fantastic. Wow. Amazing and it's one of those things she's like mom I can't Google like there's nothing's coming up said, of course nothing's coming up. Of course, you know, I said, and she's on a super low micro dose, but she's on a stack of functional mushrooms and like a small micro dose. And I said, I would much rather even if that, you know, that psilocybin is going

into that breast milk a little bit, I would much rather that be going into my granddaughter than the heavy synthetic pharmaceutical. And, uh, so, you know, that was just, you know, one of those things where Cass looked at me, she's like, how the hell am I supposed to trust these guys? Tina and Troy are like, do not take that. Man, you cannot take that. It's going to mess up that baby's development. That baby's going to be a genius. Yeah. I know. Well, that's why I said that to Cass the other day. I said, Hey, Cass, I'm like, Scotty, her name is Scotty. I'm like, that kid is going to be so dialed in.

I'm like, shit. I know. Right. I'm like, she? And Cas is like, she calls me, she's like, mom, I don't know if this is a thing, but I got ideas, man. Like I got business ideas. She goes, I got so much shit going on. I don't have time to think about anything postpartum. So I just kind of sat back and I'm like, oh yes, this is amazing. That's cool. Postpartum is a big issue, right? It is a huge issue. Yeah. And there's not a lot going around. Like there's not a lot, you're not, you're not able to really find much on it.

Um, but you know, it was such a, like an intuition thing for me. And at the end of the day, it wasn't my decision. It was hers. And she said, you know what? I'm like, I'm good with this. I said, I'm good with it too. You know, and I looked at Tina and Troy, they're like better than the pharmaceutical drought, they'll tell you that much.

But you know, of course they're doctor and nurse, so they can't really say, yeah, do it, but they're like better than that. So, and you know you that much. But you know, of course they're doctor and nurse, so they can't really say, yeah, do it. But they're like better than that. So, and you know, we've noticed a huge difference. Well, just logically with no side effects pretty much compared to, oh my God, anti-depressant side effects. Yep. And you know, and she's got friends that are on like

something called citrulline and they've been on it for years. Wow. And you know, one girl's been on it for like years. She's like, oh no, it doesn't really go into the breast milk. It's like, yes it does. It goes it like that baby's being, those babies are being affected by that.

So, you know, what do you want? Do you want a synthetic pharmaceutical or do you want a little bit of psilocybin, you know? And I mean, ultimately at the end of the day, there was a part of me that thought, well, maybe we should have nothing. But I'm like, I'm microdosed, I feel amazing. And I'm starting to really do a lot of digging into it.

And I'm like, and why not? You know, when you start to really do research and you find out that they're helping to like rewire neurotransmitters in the brain, just the cool stuff, the cool stuff that they're doing with psilocybin is epic. Yeah, it's nuts. I know, we joke where like, okay, my granddaughter is gonna be so dull

and this kid's gonna be next level. Yeah, I can't wait for that. I know, right? What are the most combinations you're seeing for people that come in your clinics health-wise? What are they dealing with? Dealing with a ton of inflammation. Inflammation, you know,

inflammation's at the base of pretty much everything. You know, inflammation, tons of autoimmune. A lot of self-diagnosed mental health, because that's the thing. Let's see. Yeah, those are the big ones, you know? That kind of almost covers it. I mean, inflammation typically is at the base of everything.

So a lot of that, you know, lots of, we're seeing, you know, like irritable bowel syndrome, like we're just seeing all sorts of autoimmune. And that's another thing that I saw in my two years in Costa Rica, a lot of autoimmune. People coming back, you know, coming in on six or seven or 10 medications, you know, they do their stem cells, they come back.

I see them say six months later, like, I have no autoimmune and I'm on nothing. I know this is the shit that's going on. Like it's epic. When you were growing up, was autoimmune even common or? No, nothing like that. There was no autism in our group of kids. There was a little bit of ADHD, but that was kind of like still kind of, you

know, barely there, but as far as autoimmune, no, and I'm 48, you know, so it's like, I don't, that wasn't really a thing at all, but you know, you got to think of how many vaccines they're giving these babies now, how food has changed, like just how everything has changed over that time, right? So all of this stuff is linked to all of that, I believe. The autism rates are crazy right now. They just updated the California numbers. I think one in 20 something though. It is crazy, like legit. And there's a doctor actually, his name is Dr. Neil Roydon. And I know Joe Rogan, Mel Gibson,

those guys, they've gone to him. He's got one of the biggest stem cell clinics in Panama. He's doing some epic stuff with autism. Really? Like he's actually from, I believe he's from Tennessee originally, and he's got a clinic, you know, in the States here, a stem cell clinic, but he can't do what he's doing out in Panama.

And, uh, he's, he's written a book called stem cells, a rising tide, and he's doing some epic stuff with autism, you know, so we've actually got a couple clients that have children with autism and we're gonna, we're gonna do our own. We're gonna get them, we're gonna do stem cells, we're gonna do bodywork. Really? So we're gonna, we're gonna like take them on that journey're gonna do our own, we're gonna get them, we're gonna do stem cells, we're gonna do body work. We're gonna take them on that journey and really do our own, like, okay, let's see,

you know, what we can do with these kids. So I'll keep you updated because we have a couple that are gonna come. I didn't know stem cells could even help with that. That's a new thing I'm hearing. Stem cells are amazing. So we use umbilical cord stem cells. So there's, I mean, a lot of people get them confused with embryonic, right?

There's a huge black market for embryonic stem cells because they come from an embryo. Black market. Black market. Yeah. Because it's like aborted fetuses, right? Like they come from embryos. So you know, that is something that is out there, but you know, when you get embryonic stem cells,

well, those stem cells wanna turn into something, right? So typically people will sometimes get those done and have like a growth. You know, say they have a growth on their shoulder, then they get it removed and it's got like hair, teeth, like just crazy stuff like that. Yeah. And so it's really important

if you're gonna be doing stem cells, you wanna be doing umbilical cord stem cells. And predominantly the umbilical cord is a huge mix. They're not all, not all stem cells are created equal. So the mesenchymal stem cells, and you'll hear them called MSCs, those are the ones that we use because they're like the most poly potent, they're like the building blocks of the human body. And when you get them out of the umbilical cord, they're such an immature cell, your

immune system doesn't even know they're there until they've matured and they've done all the work. So what they do is the stem cells will go in and they will lay the foundation. So they're attracted to anything in your body. Your body will put off like electromagnetic signal whenever it needs repairing or healing, anything's off. So the stem cells go in and they basically lay the foundation in your system. And then a lot of people are starting to ask us about exosomes, right?

So exosomes are basically, they're excreted from a stem cell. So they're like the little messengers. So the stem cells lay the foundation and the exosomes go out there and they're just like little messengers. So what happens is it's typically, what it's doing is it's getting your own body to up-regulate, right? So it's getting your own body to send stem cells to those areas, start to repair, heal, duplicate, and so on. So, but exosomes only typically stay in your body for

anywhere from two days to a week, whereas stem cells can stay in there laying the foundation anywhere from like say a month to say six months. Yeah, so it's kind of cool. What we'll do is we'll have people come back at the three month mark. You know, people with like, we're, we know, we've got a couple of clients that had really bad knees or we're going to do surgery. And you know, we said, just come and do this with us first. Like let's just see from there. No surgery. No surgery. Yeah. One guy's a hockey player and you know, he came, he's like, look, I just want to play hockey. My son's going to be, you know,

I can't remember how old his son's gonna be. He's like, but I want to play with them. He's like, my knees are so bad. Like, basically he was doing it just so he could play hockey. I think he was my age. And, you know, we get messages. So I do a one month check-in. He's like, man, like I got no pain. He's like, this is crazy.

I did leg day at the gym the other day. He's like, Dawn, I'm in, I'm ready to do more. And so for someone like that, I'm like, just come do some exosomes, right? Like the system cells are still there. They've laid that foundation So we don't need to dose you up with more stem cells But we're gonna do some exosomes because that foundation is there so, you know people say to me Well, can I just do exosomes on on on their own? and you know, I I said I think I said on my social media that it that's like sending a

UPS truck full of a bunch of packages, but no addresses on them. That guy's not going to know where to take them. So it's like, no, you want to make sure that you've done STEM cells so that they lay the foundation. They're the live cell, right? The exes on there are just the little messenger. So that's what we'll do for that. So you know, we kind of put them on a journey and you know, they can keep healing and repairing

and so yeah. Have you given any pee shots yet? That's a hot thing these days. Any what? The pee shots. No. You haven't heard of that? No.

Oh that's a trend right now. Look into that. Like pee shot as far as like urine? No it's stem cells in the penis. Oh in the penis? Yeah. Okay well okay we have started to like look at all sorts of different things like you know like even injecting like people with losing their hair like right into their ears like all sorts of different things. Like, you know, like even injecting, like people with losing their hair,

like right into their ears, like all sorts of stuff. So no, cool. Yeah, looking at that. What I think, I feel like I kind of came across something like that a few months ago. It's hard. Now, a lot of guys are getting. So benefits are? A lot of people have ED.

Okay. So it helps with that because they can't even get up. Right. So they're injecting the stem cells right into the vein. Yeah, they are. Okay. Yeah, so it helps with that because they can't even get up right? So they're injecting the stem cells right into the vein. Yeah, they are Okay So well the nice thing with full body umbilical cord stem cells is they go through the whole they go through your whole system Do I mean so I mean but hey if you want to do a little more localized why not right? Yeah, I'm sure most guys are like just put it right in there. Let's go. Yeah, I'm not surprised

Yeah, that's a hot thing right now. Oh damn is it ever. Yeah. Right. I'll be taking this back to, you know, I tell, I tell Tina, I'm like, I call her headquarters. I'm like, I'm going to take this back to headquarters. She'll be like, of course. Okay. What are we doing? Penises? Let's go. Take it back there because guys will be your biggest word of mouth marketing after you give them that one. Yeah. No doubt. I know. Yeah. No doubt. Awesome. Oh, I want to ask this. When your daughter gave birth, did they let her keep the placenta and the cord? I love that you asked this because they didn't even really know anything about that as crazy as that.

So maybe it's different in the US and I'll get into like the lab that we work with and where they get their R cords from. But I was in Canada and I said to the girl in the delivery room, I said, so like, if we wanted to keep her umbilical cord and she kind of was like, well, like what do you mean? Like just the cord, the whole thing. Like I said, yeah. So if we wanted to do that, she's like, oh, you would have had to like set that up a long time ago and then you have to have it within eight hours.

And she's like, no, no one really does that. Like that's not really, so they're not educated on it really at all. Wow. At all. You know, for me sitting in there, I'm like, isn't this interesting? Like that's not really, so they're not educated on it really at all. Wow. At all. That's crazy. And you know, for me sitting in there, I'm like, isn't this interesting? Like that's our business. We do umbilical cords, stem cell therapy, right? So in Canada, it's not really, I got to experience that firsthand seven weeks ago

and they're really not educated on it at all. She's like, yeah, no one really does that. I heard in the US, they just throw them out. Yeah. Well, so what will happen is when you give birth in the US, and I can't say it's like this at every single hospital, but they'll say to them, do you want to keep your umbilical cord?

Do you want to discard it or do you want to donate it to science? So we work with a lab out of Miami, and that's like when they say they want to donate to science, that's when our lab steps in and they get the umbilical cords then. So they're all ethically sourced, but I was waiting for that. You know, I had my kids, my kids are 26 and 27. And I was waiting for that because it didn't happen

when I had my kids. But I thought this must be a thing now. No, not in Canada. That's so much opportunity that they're leaving on the table. I know, but you kind of think, what are they doing with them? Are they actually throwing them out? Are they?

But who knows, right? Yeah, so, you know, the lab that we are dealing with is fantastic, you know, they do super stringent testing and we are only taking umbilical cords from unvaccinated, like unvaccinated donors, like so no COVID vaccine. So it goes through a huge stringent testing process. So even when they, you know, they go through the checklist, we still have a, we, they still have a testing process after that.

So which is, you know, really important for a lot of people. Can you tell if it's a vaccinated umbilical cord? Well, like us personally. Like do you notice a difference like with the stem cells, I guess, you know what I can't say. Cause we've never used any other than ones that are no like, and you know what? And it's not like zero vaxes. It's just that particular no COVID vaccine. So not saying that the umbilical cords we get have like the people

have never had vaccines, but it's just that particular, that particular one. Yeah. Cause that one was so rushed. Yeah. I know. That's why it's like, and so many people are concerned, right? Because there's been so much craziness since then. So, um, can we tell? Canada treated that terribly.

I couldn't even go there. Oh my God. It was, it was part of my burnout because I pushed against that so hard. Um, you know, I had my clinic and I was probably about a month in. I started to, I'm like, something's not right. This is messed up. I believe there's this virus or whatever they're, you know, but something's not like, I just had this weird feeling.

I'm like, something's off. So I never really went along with any of the narratives because it just wasn't sitting with me. It wasn't sitting right. And, uh, you know, I had my own clinic and they were wanting everyone to wear masks and, you know, interior health and work safe. That's our, that's my regulating body. They're like, everyone has to do this.

And, you know, you have to have your clinic six, everything's six feet apart and all this PPE. And I said, no, I'm not doing it. I said, I just spent over a million bucks on my tenant improvement. I've got the nicest clinic the city's ever seen, and I'm not putting that shit up in here. And I don't believe it. So I actually got to the point where I was being hassled so much.

So I said, you know what? I got ahold of interior health. So that's health Canada and work safe. And I said, you guys need to come to my clinic cause I want to have a meeting. I can have all my staff there and we're going to record it. I said, if you guys can convince me and convince me like back it up And all this shit that you want me to do in my clinic is gonna work and you got to prove it I'll do it. Hmm. You got to prove it. So we had a two-hour meeting. We recorded the whole thing. They could not prove it

Pardon did you publish that meeting you know, I publish that meeting? I did it, but I still have it. I've got it recorded. I never thought to do that. I never thought to do that. I know, right? At the time it would have went viral. I don't know if it still would. Maybe. Who knows? But you know, my staff had such a sense of like empowerment because I'd been telling them and they were with me, but they're kind of like, yeah, but don't like you're kind of like, no one gets to tell you what to do, you know, like that. And I said, no, you guys, like, I really feel this. So after that meeting, when work safe left and interior health left, they

signed up cause every business had to have a safety plan for that. They signed off on my safety plan. I said, keep doing what you're doing. I said, Oh, I will. Now there was one kind of little loophole. I was the first clinic in the province. I can't, I don't, maybe the country, I can't say that for sure to have a liquor license.

So I had a liquor license so I could serve wine, you know, come in for laser and I give you a glass of wine. So I had the same, I had a liquor primary. So this was the messed up thing in Canada is like, you had to walk in with your mask on as soon as you sat down, you could take it off. So I had that liquor primary, right? So it's like, so I had that going on anyways. And I'm like, you guys cannot convince me that these people are endangered.

The six feet from my front door to where they're sitting down. I'm like, no, there's never masks were enforced in my clinic. I'm like, I can't wrap my head around this. It's just nuts. So I just got to the point where, you know, I was locking my clinic door. Every single person that came in had to talk to me and get through me. Cause my staff were being hassled a little

bit, but I never backed down. Wow. Like no way I'm not doing it. So it burnt me out. Cause it was like two years of like fight mode. And, but it was worth it. You know, like we lost some clients, but man, when we actually got to open again, cause Canada

closed everybody down for about three months. When we opened again, we were so busy and I had so many people being like, you know what, Dawn, thank you. Thank you for keeping this like a normal safe place. I'm like, yeah, no doubt. I'm fucking burnt out. I got to go drink, I'll walk, have a shit together, but no problem. I got you guys. Shout out to you. Right? Yeah. Canada might've been the worst place to be

during the pandemic. It was brutal. You guys couldn't even leave, right? You had a curfew and you couldn't leave the country. Yeah, it was insanity. And I was the type that I was like, I was traveling even through that. I literally tried not to let it affect my life.

Like legit, I went to Costa Rica and then I ended up, I mean, I sold my business in the middle of the pandemic, which was like, Oh God. Um, but yeah, it was, it was haywire. I, uh, there was a lot of craziness going on. Some, some provinces back East worse than others. Um, Vancouver wasn't too, too bad, but like Toronto, you know, Quebec, those places, oh yeah, a hundred percent. They're, they're, they're the ones responsible for the Liberal government

still being in Canada. Right now it's looking even scarier. It's so brutal, I know. I've just gotten past that point of like, I throw my hands up. Is it a teenager? I'm like, I'm moving to Texas. I'm like, I'm moving here with you guys.

Yeah, I'll do that. Exactly, right? I'm like in this neutral space, right? That used to get me going, but I'm like, ah, you know, it is what it is. It was a disappointment, but it's like, well, what can you do? You just gotta figure it out.

Well, Dawn, it's been really fun. We'll link your stuff below. Anything else you wanna close off with here? You know what? Just thank you. Thank you for taking the time. Thank you for sitting with me. And yeah.

I'll stop by the clinic. Maybe we can record a little session. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'd love that. It'd be fantastic. Cool, check her out, guys. Check out the clinic. Maybe we can record a little session. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I love that. You said plastic Yeah, we'll check her out guys. Check out the clinic. See you next time