Digital Social Hour - The Hidden Danger of Deleting Apps: Your Data Stays | Caitlin Sarian DSH #875

Episode Date: November 10, 2024

🚨 Discover the hidden danger of deleting apps in this eye-opening episode of Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 📱✨ Join the conversation with cybersecurity expert Caitlin Sarian as we dive into the critical mistake many make when uninstalling apps—your data stays on their servers unless you actively request its deletion. 😱 Packed with valuable insights, Caitlin shares essential tips on protecting your personal information, from creating strong passwords to using VPNs and recognizing scams. 🌐🔒 Don't miss out on learning how to safeguard your digital life, especially with technology in the hands of children. 👶💻 Tune in now and watch as we explore the intricacies of cybersecurity, revealing the truth behind apps and data. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. Join the conversation and become part of our digital community! 🎙️ #DigitalSocialHour #SeanKelly #Podcast #Cybersecurity #CaitlinSarian #DataProtection #StaySafeOnline #passwordmanager #privacyvssecurity #cybersecurityinsights #gdpr #dataretention CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:35 - Online Safety Tips 03:41 - Removing Personal Information Online 05:55 - Signs You've Been Hacked 07:15 - Understanding SIM Swapping 08:24 - Phone Number Tracking Risks 09:58 - Email Tracking Concerns 11:04 - Dating Profile Privacy Risks 15:22 - Webcam Hacking Threats 16:14 - Identifying Hacking Signs 18:33 - Blocking Unwanted Texts 19:28 - CrowdStrike Outage Overview 22:33 - Money Transfer Scams Explained 26:30 - Cyber Warfare Insights 29:51 - Social Media Security 30:44 - Final Thoughts on Cybersecurity 30:58 - Scam Prevention Strategies 31:54 - Avoiding Suspicious Links APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Caitlin Sarian https://www.instagram.com/cybersecuritygirl/ https://www.cybersecuritygirl.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@CybersecurityGirl LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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email them or you put in a request and they confirm and then you delete that app, it's still sitting there on their servers. All right guys, here with Caitlin Sarian here today. We're talking cybersecurity. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me excited. Yeah, I think what you're teaching is very useful these days,

especially people having kids, all these weird cases coming up. I know, I honestly didn't realize it was like this big of a deal until some of my videos started going viral and I was like, wow, actually people need to know this. No, it's a big deal. I mean, kids are just freely getting iPads

and iPhones in first grade now, so. Exactly, we're literally given technology before we can speak and no one's ever taught us how to use it. Yeah, so let's start with the basics on like ways to protect yourself, I guess, and specifically kids, because I feel like that's a big issue right now.

Yeah, so I mean, just for starters, you wanna create like strong passwords and that's like, I guess, and specifically kids, because I feel like that's a big issue right now. Yeah. So I mean, just for starters, you want to create like strong passwords. And that's like, I hate saying that because I want to hit my head against the wall every time. I think everyone says that, but it's super, super important. And a lot of people think, oh, if I have one really strong password, you know, that'll be fine. And it's not because once that password is leaked, there are a lot of ways for hackers

to just use that password and try a bajillion different ways and get into all your different accounts. So that's to start. The other thing is software updates, which I know is very controversial. A lot of people will reference that Apple, you know, would slow the phones down. That's one time. Software updates are super important. They fix a lot of bugs and what we like to call zero day vulnerabilities or things that are vulnerable to that app and so you want to make sure that they're updated constantly. The other thing is like open wifi networks if there's not a password and you're like connected

to a Starbucks and you're on, you know, banking apps, like strongly suggest you do not do that and make sure that you log on to a Wi-Fi that actually has a password. And also a lot of times people think, oh, well, there's a password. I'm just going to give Delta Lounge as an example. Delta Lounge has had the same password for like six months. So it really doesn't do that much good at that point.

And so what you want to do is if you are connecting to kind of weaker systems You want to get a VPN or a virtual private network? It just encrypts the data going back and forth. Basically, it means that You can't they can't read if they get into that network. They can't read what's going back and forth on your system So you're protecting yourself great advice. I see those VPN ads on podcasts all the time Yes, so Nord and Express those are good to use Yeah, and you can use multiple so a lot of a lot of cybersecurity experts use multiple because sometimes it you can kind of figure out That you're using a VPN if you're really trying to like dig deeper, but yeah, any of those are fine Hmm. What about incognito mode is that safe incognito modes mostly for yourself. It's not for other websites

They're still kind of collecting general information on you. And a lot of times they're still collecting IP too. So incognito mode is really for your computer to forget where it went. So it's not saving it. So for example, if you want to buy a gift for your girlfriend and you don't want her to know that you went on that website, go on incognito mode because she won't see your search history. But it's really for your personal preferences. It's not really that incognito for the rest of the websites that you go on.

And a lot of people think, oh, if I go on incognito mode and I go on Facebook, anything that you have to log into on incognito mode, it's still going to be tracking you because you're logged into that system. So it doesn't actually do very much good. People think everything they do on incognito is hidden. It's not. It's not. That is funny.

Your most viewed videos are about like your personal information being online. So is that a pretty common thing? Yeah, I mean, a lot of people want to like learn how to erase themselves online. For example, when we when I was younger, you wanted to sign up for everything you gave all your data you it was just it wasn't a thing back then. Right. And now all these data brokers in the US specifically have so much information, you'd be surprised that the information they're collecting, they're collecting it from the DMV, they're collecting it from, you know, let's just say a grocery store has rewards programs. All of that information gets sold to these data brokers, and then the data brokers compile

it and they can give you pretty much everything and it's public, especially in the US. I mean, it's crazy to think that we're concerned more about other countries having our data, yet we're selling our own people's data to these data brokers and then making it public for everyone. It's insane to me. But yeah, I mean, you can get like parents names, parents addresses, like everything. Dude, my shit was everywhere. It's everywhere. Yeah, how do you get a site to remove it? Yeah.

Smart credit. And then what's that credit one? There's another credit site where you can remove your stuff. Yeah. Google actually now has like a free way of doing it, but it's only if personal information comes up on Google searches. So like, say, for example, a website has your first and last name and a phone number and Google and it's on it's on. As Canadian dairy farmers, we follow Proaction. Dairy Farmers of Canada's National national quality assurance program with six modules.

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like every few months. So people can sign up for that service and then they'll just, because what happens is people delete it once and then they think it's done, but we're constantly signing up for things every day. You don't realize that you're constantly giving your information every day So it keeps reloading all these data brokers or keep they keep buying more and more information and every few months

It keeps showing back up crazy. So yeah, plus your info is on the dark web, too. It's all yeah It's my social got leaked there. I get emails every week. Oh, no about Oh this data breach just happened 500 million emails got leaked. Yeah It's not hard to get on the dark web either. People think it's like some crazy mystery. They literally just have to download Tor and like start. Oh, it's super easy.

Yeah, it's really. I went on it in like college. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't hard at all. Have you been hacked before? Is that why you got into all this? I have not been hacked. I've been scammed before.

Really? Yeah, but it was like a close friend. It was during COVID and I was like, I had been investing my money in different things. I told myself that I wanted to be a little bit more risky with some of my investments I put in crypto and a few other things. And my friend came back and was like, I just met this guy. He's selling PPE, which is personal predictive equipment, which during COVID was like a big thing. And it turns out this guy was a scam. So like, okay, but I like, it was, I trusted my friend he was like a really really close friend and all of us invested the money and then it just turns out that the guy that he knew was

just a con artist. There was a lot of scams during the PPE days. Yeah. I ran into a ton. I didn't know that but I wasn't in that world he had been working in that world for like a year at that point I was like oh you know this guy like you know that was common my friend ended up getting the FBI involved in a PP scam oh wow yeah that they were rampant during that I didn't get my money back it was really sad damn yeah I've been scammed to it's part of the game I feel it is if you if you are making investments it kind of works yeah but yeah I've never been hacked knock on wood I'm like I'm actually terrified of that like I'm doing my best to not but who's that hacker zero day on Instagram, Ryan?

Yeah, he's a beast. I feel like he could hack anyone. Yeah. Honestly, there's a lot of really good hackers on Instagram too. Yeah, I've been a sim hacked. That was a rough one. Yeah, I was about to say.

Scary. Speaking of sim hack though, because everyone's like, oh, the other thing that you can do to protect yourself besides strong passwords is using multi-factor authentication. And that means that you're signing into something with two ways of logging in, like a password and an authenticator app or like a code that's getting sent to your phone.

But because there's so much SIM swapping now, it's actually better to have an authenticator app because a lot of people can get into emails and a lot of people now can get into people's phones. So you want to actually have an authenticator app for the bigger platforms like health. And so for me, it's social media. Obviously some people don't care about social media, but the ones that you care about, I would start using an authenticator app instead of a phone.

No, 100%. That's what saved my IG because when the hacker got in, he tried texting a code, but my phone number wasn't linked to my IG. So he DM'd me all pissed off. I'm like, I got you back. Or there's platforms, like I have like unlimited amounts of phone numbers.

There's like companies that actually allow you to generate like real working phone numbers and emails for like not just a temporary time, it just goes to the app. Oh, okay. Google Voice, right? Yeah, I use Google Voice or there's like other ones, like I'm not gonna name them,

but there's other ones out there that allow them to send them to multiple. Speaking of phone numbers, one of your videos was saying that you could be tracked just from giving your phone number out. Yeah, well, I mean, literally you can reverse like phone lookup someone, and then from there, all you get their first and last name,

and you can just go to any of the data brokers and like find this person and exactly where they live. You can find their IP address. There's so much you can do with a phone number that people like don't realize and honestly now every time I give my phone number out I'm like mortified I'm like shoot did I just do that like are they gonna try to do something to me cuz now they have my phone number and it's again so easy to sim swap too like it just

better to like unless you like know that you're gonna want to hang out with this person all the time or whatever I would not give your phone number out yeah many people's yeah I'm super picky these days, to be honest. I used to hand it out like nothing, but now if it's like some random person, I'll give them like, I have another phone. So yeah, I'm tempted to do like a, I mean, I have a lot of phone numbers,

but I'm like, want to do another business phone number and like another Google voice number. And Google voice numbers are pretty great. Yeah, they're good until you call on it says, oh, this Google voice number can't answer. That's true, but I'm like, it's like my personal assistant sometimes. Yeah, I couldn't believe how easy it was to find people off addresses because I was looking up my neighbor's houses and I literally found out all my neighbors just from their address. Yeah, I actually, because I

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You also made a video about home security systems and how those can be hacked, which is pretty scary. Yeah. Well, the thing is home security systems are connected to your wifi, most likely. And a lot of people, I would guess 90% of the people have not changed their wifi password since they got it. And that is of people, I would guess 90% of the people have not changed their Wi-Fi password since they got it. And that is like very easy to guess because it's the same type.

There's a certain way that they create those passwords for every single Wi-Fi network. And so a lot of people can get in if you haven't changed your home Wi-Fi account. And there's just a slew of issues, right? And then the other thing is you just don't want to have cameras like facing you all the time or cameras on unless like ring camera is fine but like in the house and stuff it's a little sketchy. People can tap in. There's literally a website where you can tap into any even home cameras even on your laptop. You can tap into any camera that's open. What? Yeah. There's a site for that? Yeah. Is it on the dark web? No. It's just a regular site? It's just a

regular site. You just have to pay for it. What? Yeah. And it's cameras in people's houses? It's cameras anywhere and mostly in the public, but like you can tap into cameras like all over the world. That's creepy. Yeah.

There's also another site you posted facecheck.id. I thought that one was pretty cool. It is freaky. You could catch catfish on there probably. Yeah. So I mean, a lot of people have used that for catching catfish My my friend actually she sent it to her mom because her mom's like been dating now And I guess she's like wanted to see if this guy was real and it wasn't real. He was like a catfish What yeah, so I mean face check IDs is scary But it's also really cool and for the girlies who love to like stalk the guy that before they you know go on a date With them and like I don't I would like to say that doesn't happen, but that happens.

I'm not opposed to it. Like if I was single and I was going on a date, I would actually use that site. It's funny because I don't do any of that. My friends do that for me. They're like, just do it. I'm like, I would rather just like ignorance is bliss. I don't know, I just don't want to know that much.

Like then it's boring, then the date's not fun. I feel that. There's also a site that tells you if they downloaded dating apps. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. It will say every platform that they're on. If you have their email too, or their first and last name, it'll say where that email registered on any open source account. Wow.

Yeah. That's crazy because people will go to a new city, download Tinder, and then cheat on their girl or whatever. And now that's just in the open Yeah, holy crap. That's dangerous Yeah But also a lot of what I will say one thing people don't realize is if you do sign up for those accounts a lot of People think that they delete those accounts when they delete the app, but they don't so that's like one really important thing Like I don't when I tell people like oh when you want to start getting rid of your data start deleting things

People just delete the app and think it like disappears. Your data is still there. So unless you request to delete your account from them, like you actively email them or you put in a request and they confirm and then you delete that app, it's still sitting there on their services, on their servers. So my Tinder from college is still up.

Yeah, unless you, did you delete the account? I just deleted the app, yeah. Yeah, no, it's still there. Wow, I thought they deleted my profile. Why would they delete it? You didn't request it. Damn. Because people delete the app all the time

just to get it off their thing and then they re-download it. But as long as you, I mean, you can still sign in probably. Wow. You still have the username and password. Yeah, I don't remember the password, but I'll do a reset and then email them, I guess, to delete it. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I don't know if I want that up there.

Oh my God, my bio was probably so cringe back then. We should go through your bio and see. It's probably so bad. Yeah, that was in college, geez, 10 years ago. I'm flies, right? Don't tell me about college. You're just talking about with your friend and I was like, oh man, you just graduated.

Did you learn all this in college or did you learn it after? No, I mean, I didn't even study cyber security in school. I did aerospace engineering. Whoa. Yeah And then I wanted to do tech consulting because I just get bored really easily and I was like Let me just do consulting and I can try different things and then figure out what I really want to do And when I was going and applying they're like, why don't you do cyber? And I was like I've never done cyber and I had taken coding classes but I was terrible at it like really really bad at coding and

They're like we'll teach you on the job and I've never had a touch of line and code since I left college and I that's one of the reasons why I started this channel is to get more people interested in Cyber security and to explain all the different jobs But also like as you work in cyber security you learn so much on the way and you just start thinking that it's like a normal Thing when really no one knows what you're talking about. It's like when you learn how to walk, you don't ever think about walking anymore.

When you learn how to run, you don't think about running, you just do it. And same with cyber, like you keep learning and growing and advancing with the field, but no one's ever teaching anyone what to do. So I wanted to start teaching people how to be safe. I love it. I think you picked the right space

because coding is gonna be replaced by AI. I mean, AI the right space because coding is going to be replaced by AI. I mean, AI is just going to be coding now. It's way more efficient. Cyber is going to be a bit harder to replace, I'd say. There's a few AI platforms now that you can literally take a website and it'll pull all of the code of that website and it will rebuild the whole website for you.

Like if you wanted to basically mimic a website that you like, you don't even need like anyone you can literally just Put the website in the the program it spits out the code for you And then you just use it on whatever WordPress or whatever you're yeah, I just paid a thousand for my site But I could have just used that yeah I mean I'm gonna do that I still want to have someone build it like I just it's you still have to tinker around with it I can't have the exact same website. Yeah, it just be mean, people can do it though, but it's stuff like that. Everything is starting to get replaced.

Yeah. Wow, that's exciting though. It's cool to see it being used like that. Can hackers look through your webcam? Yeah. That's creepy. Yeah, get a webcam cover. How can they look through though?

I mean, if your wifi is not really set up securely or you're not having a VPN or this, there's a lot of ways. Yeah, cause I use my laptop like in public airports. You don't have a little cover thing? I do. But I never, I just did it cause I'm extra, but I didn't know if people were actually

looking through those. Yeah. That's crazy. There's been a lot of times like my boss who was like, you know, when I still worked at EY, he was like the head of cybersecurity and he would get emails. This was like five, 10 years ago

and they had taken pictures of him from his camera. What? And was like, if you don't, you know, give us this money, we're gonna send these out and like publish them. Oh, like really bad photos? Yeah. I mean, I don't know what they were cause I didn't want to ask, but he said they were not.

Well, yeah, I think we know what that was about. Yeah. How can you tell if someone, if you're hacked, I didn't want to ask, but he said they were locked. I think we know what that was about. How can you tell if someone, if you're hacked, if someone's logged into your iCloud or WhatsApp? I mean, there's so many ways. It just depends on every service. So for Instagram, you can see if like, you can usually see who's logged in and where it's logged in.

And if there's a weird location, that's obviously someone on there. Same with WhatsApp. You can see where you have any linked devices Google too you can see all the third parties that you're connected to which is super important Because people don't realize we used to set sign up with Google whenever you say sign up with Google on like the third party Yeah, and then you like oh, I don't want it like let's for example Say it's a really stupid game that we used to play on Facebook or something. I mean I what was it?

What's the farmers? Farmville. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you could sign up with like other accounts for that too, not just Facebook, but that's just an example of like you would sign up and then you'd never play it anymore, but those people are still accessing. They have multiple access to your Google or to your Facebook. And so you want to be able to disconnect those connections. So it just depends on every single site. Every like place has a different way of seeing who's logged in

But if you google you get I mean you can follow me and get it too But if you google like, you know How to see who's connected on whatsapp or how to see who's connected to your iCloud there's it's very easy to see Who's logged in? Yeah, I've tested it before it's definitely creepy if you see some random country on there Yeah, you know, that's what happened to me on Instagram. Oh, no How long do you think they were in there? I think I just caught it cuz he sim hacked me and then I saw I was logged in to like some random country Yeah, I'm so scared of that. Yeah, that's creepy cuz if they have all your messages, I mean, I don't send nudes or anything

But I mean, that's still weird. Like there's some personal info. Yeah, I don't send nudes or anything, but I mean that's still weird like there's some personal info Yeah, I don't send that many messages on Instagram. I do because I kind of have to with the podcast Yeah, we met but nothing weird. Yeah, maybe from like high school would be weird if that got leaked Yeah, people are always getting cancelled for their old tweets from like 10 years ago Yeah, I don't think I'd say anything that got me cancelled, but yeah, it's it's it's weird You never know though cuz the lingo 10 years ago 15 years ago is way different like certain words You could say normally. Yeah, I never want to get canceled. That would be so sad Yeah, I feel like it's it's pretty beatable these days cancel culture I I would hope so like a few years ago though. If you got me to to cancel you were done

Yeah, but now I think there's a like a movement to fight back for sure. Yeah All right, this one got me cuz I've done this before when you black out a screenshot Now I think there's a movement to fight back. For sure. Yeah. All right, this one got me, because I've done this before. When you black out a screenshot, you put the highlight over it. People can still read what's underneath it. Yeah, so a lot of people use that highlighter tool. They take a screenshot on the iPhone

and they highlight it black and you can't see it. But if you change certain functions, you actually can see it. So you actually have to use the pen tool. That's like the only way, or put like a sticker on it or something. You put a sticker on it, it can't like change. But if you change like the,

I don't know, is it opacity or opacity? Yeah. How do you say that? Opacity, right? Opacity. Tomato, tomato. Yeah. If you change the opacity and like a few other things,

transparency, et cetera, you can actually see if you use a highlighter tool. That's so crazy. I've definitely done that on really important documents. We've all done that. It's like the same thing as like blacking it out and then holding it up to the light, right? The opacity and changing that stuff really, it's like you being able to hold it up to a light and kind of seeing through what it is. Wow. What did you think of this CrowdStrike outage? It was insane. It's really hard to tell because there's not a lot of information that they're really giving us.

I do know that it was, well, first of all, CrowdStrike has been a leader of the pack in pretty much everything that they do. They're a very, very trusted company, or they were, I don't know how trusted they are now, but they are known for being able to defend against hackers and they kind of like stay ahead of the curve in that sense. And so this, this new thing that they pushed out, this new update was supposed to stay

ahead of a certain hacker, not hacker, but like a certain vulnerability. And it somehow crashed the Microsoft system. Now it wasn't just Microsoft, like CrowdStrike has so many other companies that they attend to and I don't know why this wasn't tested. I'm not sure what's going on, but I do think Microsoft might have had their own issue because I don't think this happened to a lot of the CrowdStrike's other companies that they worked for. So I think CrowdStrike took a lot of the CrowdStrike's other companies that they worked for. So I think CrowdStrike took a lot of the blame.

This is obviously total speculation, but I think CrowdStrike took majority of the blame. I mean, there could have been things that fixed it before it went out. But yeah, it was insane. And it just kind of proves how fragile our system is when it comes to tech and computers, because I mean, the whole world shut down. Oh my gosh the airplane delays were insane. Yeah and

also isn't there like a bunch of rules on like how a company shouldn't have a monopoly over certain things? Yeah yeah forget the word for it but I know what you're talking about. Yeah so like why is I mean my that obviously shows how much of an impact Microsoft has. Even that one tool on everything. I mean, them and Amazon pretty much run the internet. AWS, I think it's like 80% of sites or something. So imagine if AWS went out, that would be nuts. But Microsoft was nuts because a lot of banks use, I didn't even know banks were using Microsoft. It's hard to tell if it was this CrowdStrike issue or for all STEM from Microsoft because the banks also use CrowdStrike.

So I don't know if the banks were down because of their Microsoft system that went down because of the CrowdStrike or if the banks were down because of the CrowdStrike. Yeah, that was a weird one. It seemed nefarious to me just because of how long it was down. I feel like if it was just some mess up,

they would have fixed it quicker. Yeah. But is it back up yet? I haven't even. It's back up, but like Delta was still, I fly Delta all the time. I fly a lot of airlines now, but Delta was still down for like four or five days after.

Not like fully down, but like they had canceled 3000 flights like five days after the whole system crashed. That's a lot of flights. Yeah. And Delta is like pretty good with not doing that, but I don't know what's happening. For an airline, they actually have one of the best reps. Yeah they like help you, they like answer the phone in a timely manner, they're like

nice. Yeah I had to stop flying United because customer service on that one. Americans also terrible customer service but I live in Miami it's an American hub so I kind of have to. I do my best to not fly them but yeah. So there's one scam where people text you and they send you money. Yes. It's a big scam.

Yeah, your video said not to report it or anything. Yeah, so what happens is these scammers steal credit card and debit card information and they use that to start sending money to people. And then they send the money to people and they say, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I sent it to the wrong person. Can you please, please, please send it back?

It's for my mom's health, it's for whatever. They make it like a whole store, it's so sad. And then you send it back, but the issue is that money's stolen. And so once the banks find out that the money was stolen that they sent you, they claw back that money. And so if you sent them the money,

your money's not stolen, you just actively and willingly sent your own money, you're out, you're out of money. Wow. Yeah. And people like, well, I'll just, I'll spend it and then they can't take it. They'll claw back. You'll be in like the negative or you'll like, Oh, them. And then you'll be part of the whole scam. And you don't, you just don't want to touch it. Just leave it in your bank. And if it's in your Venmo or Zelle or whatever it is for more than a couple of days, I would just report it. Like that's clever. I would have never thought, you know?

Yeah, hackers are getting very very clever. Scammers are intense. Yeah, because there's all these videos on YouTube exposing these Indian scammers so they're they're having to level up now. Have you seen those videos? Yeah. Those are hilarious. I love those videos. Oh my god. I forgot, his name is Ryan I think. There's Ryan and he has like a degree in Homeland Security. He's also a comedian so everything that he does is really funny but he like he literally scams the scammers I love what I don't have I don't think I have the balls to do that to be honest I just don't want to yeah, I don't want to mess with that

Just like leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It will be okay Yeah, cuz then when you expose them, they're gonna kind of come after you even more So right you got to be willing to fight them. Yeah, I'm not willing to do that. Yeah Family code words. Yes, I need to develop one of those. Yeah. So I mean, cause now AI, you can do voice, um, not voice simulation. So people can pretend like they're me and it will sound like me. And especially you too, like we're all over podcasts. Like people can easily get a sample of your voice and have that convert to whatever they want. And so, especially during the holidays, there's a lot of like fake scammers that use your

voice and call your loved ones and say, Oh my gosh, I like, I either like broke down to the side of the road, I need help. Like, can you please send X, Y, Z? And you, they are freaking out and they send you money. Or they pretend that they've like kidnapped you and that they're not going to give you back until you send the money. And then they'll like use your voice to pretend that You're with them. And so you need like a family code word to say, okay, if this is real, you know

Say bananas or it has to be better than that But yeah, if a family code word just code word really helps you understand and confirm that you are who you are That code word that no one's gonna guess. Yeah, that's useful. I have a sequence with my fiance I have a fear of getting cloned. All right. Yeah. Where did that fear come from? I get a lot of conspiracy theorists on the show and they might have influenced that. Okay. But I'm falling into conspiracy theories, but I haven't heard the clone one yet. Well, yeah, there's certain theories that Kanye and certain celebrities have been cloned for being too outspoken. I did hear about the Avril Lavigne clone. I've heard about that one, yeah. That one was weird.

I don't understand that one. Yeah, I don't understand that one. I could get the Kanye one though. He says some pretty crazy stuff and they might want to silence him. But yeah, no, it's just a phrase. But the thing is, if you get cloned and you remember all your memories, then it gets tricky because then you remembered the phrase too. So I don't know how the cloning works. Maybe, do you watch Marvel movies?

Yeah. Okay, maybe it's like, I'm forgetting the type of people that can morph into who like clone the people. Shape shifters? Yeah, but they're in Ms. Marvel. I haven't seen that one. Okay, or Captain Marvel, like the original one? Yeah, I didn't see that one. Oh, okay, nevermind.

I just saw the new game. They can remember up into like five years Oh five years. Okay. Well, my friend cloned his dog. So there's definitely cloning technology Wow. Yeah, I didn't realize it was like that soon. No, it's it's here. Okay. Yeah, they're gonna be cloning animals and organs They're priority doing it somewhere in China or something Speaking of China. Yeah, you went there and you you also spent time in Japan I did I love traveling and I think honestly the Asian countries are beautiful. I love them or something. Speaking of China, you went there and you also spent time in Japan. I did.

I love traveling. And I think honestly, the Asian countries are beautiful. I love them. There's so much culture. It's, yeah. I think it's really interesting that US has picked a fight with China and Russia because of cyber warfare. I mean, the thing is we're all doing it, right?

It's not just the US. It's not just us getting bullied by them Like we're bullying them too, but no one really realizes it and cyber warfare has been around forever Like since I started cyber security since for probably the past 20 years I mean we already are in my opinion already in a war. Wow cyber warfare really? Yeah, it's that bad Like I don't I don't see what's going on exactly. That's because it's all you can't see it. It's cyber. Yeah So they're just like in sub look subconsciously programming stuff on exactly. That's because it's all you can't see it. It's cyber. Yeah. So they're just like in sub subconsciously programming stuff, right? That's what it is basically.

I don't know if it's subconsciously programming. I think they're just like getting into all of our systems and like, and watching and seeing what we're doing in order to like, right. They were saying that with TikTok. Yeah. They were studying everyone's behavior and doesn't some company in China own it or something? ByteDance. ByteDance started in China,

and then they sold off part of it to a US. So the US, because the US was putting up such a fuss, which makes sense. Again, we really are trying to protect our people. They sold off like a specific chunk and said, like, this is US only, this is only gonna sit in the US. All of our data centers are in the US, so they partnered with Oracle.

And so all of the data was migrated over to the US like in a long process but yeah, I mean I just feel like if China and Russia want something or if the US wants something on the same hand like they're gonna figure it out I did see a bunch of stuff saying like China has somehow bought a bunch of farmland Basically next to all of our like main bases, like Navy bases, army bases, any of that. I don't know how, but like it's stuff like that where they're just like kind of infiltrating it. Wow, that is interesting.

Yeah, they're out here playing chess and people, regular people don't even know. No, not even close. Holy crap. Yeah, cause information is king. Like if you know how people operate. Your data, your personal data is worth a lot. I don't think people realize that.

Like it's worth a lot of money. And I mean, it's literally sold constantly every day. So just try not to give it out. Yeah, I remember Facebook got in trouble for having too much data, right? Yeah. And now their ads aren't as good. Exactly.

And then that's the other side, right? Like people are like, oh, well, I don't want them to have my data. I'm like, well, then you're not gonna like get marketed to aggressively it like It's not the marketing is not gonna be as good But do you really need to like buy the thing that you probably don't know? I opted out on Apple and now I get like cat litter of ads. I'm like, I don't even have a cut Yeah, I mean, but whatever I see Instagram. I press like not interested in a lot of stuff. Oh you do that

Yeah, I just skip it. Yeah, I should probably start doing that. Yeah, I'm just like, I don't really, well, and I don't want to get sucked into Instagram. I don't know, do you use Instagram really for work? I don't scroll ever, unless it's reels and I'm studying potential guests or like topics. That's how I am too. But like, I feel like the not interested helps me not scroll.

Okay. Because if I like get stuck on like a good feed, then I'm like, oh, maybe I'll just keep watching Does it stop showing ads completely? How does that work? No, it just not interested is actually on videos because it's on sponsored videos because people now sponsor it to like reach other people That aren't following them. Got it So it I do it on like random people's videos that sponsor and I'm like, I don't want to see these videos Got it. Yeah, you're popping off on IG. Is that your biggest platform? Yeah. Yeah. TikTok used to be my biggest platform. And then I kind of slowly tapered off of it.

Trying to cut on? Yeah, I don't know. It just wasn't as fun for me anymore. I was like, I don't know. It's not as like, like I can't talk to my friends on TikTok. It's no. And they, the TikTok shop and sponsored ads are like all over TikTok. All over. It's not like, it's really not fun to scroll. And the TikTok shop and sponsored ads are like all over TikTok now. All over. It's not like, it's really not fun to scroll. And the lives. And the lives and their weird lives.

I don't know if it's just me. I don't know. No. They're weird lives. I guess some kid crying with like playing weird games. And then I, it's like the same people on lives over and over again. I'm like, I don't know what you do in life, but what is happening?

Why do I keep seeing? There's a meme about that one guy. He used to work with David Dobrik, Jason Nash. Oh yeah, that guy. He's on live every day. Really? Yeah, I don't know why. I haven't seen him.

I'm glad I haven't seen him. Yeah, I'm not a live guy. I like being in person. Yeah. Caitlin, it's been fun. Anything else you wanna close off with or promote? I know you said you're developing something. I'm developing a lot of things,

but it's all to like either to help protect the public or to get people in a career in cybersecurity. I think the one thing I'll end on is if you think that you're getting scammed, I like to remember the acronym scam. So S stands for does this sound legit? Take a step back, calm down, because a lot of the scams are always for urgency. Like you don't do this in 24 hours, like your bank account is going to close and you're going to lose all the money.

So F is S is take a step back. C is contacts. Like can you confirm the contact? So if a bank's saying that they're messaging you, don't look at the contact that they give you on this email. Go on Google and find the real contact. Call them and say, did you just call me? Or contact a loved one and say, do you think this is legit? Maybe not. And then the A is to avoid clicking on any links, just don't do it. And the M is like, does this make sense? Because a lot of times there's like spelling errors or like, it could be for a program that you never even signed up for, like, does it even look okay and make sense? Like, does this make sense in your head? So just remember

scan before you click on anything and just, yeah, just be weary of not giving out your data to everyone. You don't need to tell everyone. Yeah, the links one, I want to wrap this up. Oh my God, because I just be weary of not giving out your data to everyone. You don't need to tell everyone. Yeah, the links one, I wanna wrap this up. Oh my God, because I know a lot of people in the crypto space, they click one wrong link, they lose their whole wallet. If you click on a link, I can get your IP, I can get exactly where you are. A lot of times, you can get so much stuff.

Just like, don't click on links. Never. Never. Yeah, people DM me links, I'm like, the fuck? Yeah, no, it's no for me. I'm good on that. Just avoid any links. Yeah, thanks for coming on though that was fun yeah thanks for watching guys see you next time