Digital Social Hour - The Hidden Power Moves in Today’s Media Wars | Ronnie Bo DSH#1248

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

🎙️ Tune in now for an explosive episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly, featuring the one and only Ronnie Bo! 🚀 In this must-watch conversation, we uncover *The Hidden Power Moves in Today’s Media Wars* and dive deep into the unseen forces shaping the music industry, media narratives, and societal control. From personal stories of resilience to exposing the truth behind industry rituals, Ronnie shares raw, unfiltered insights you won’t hear anywhere else. 💥 🤯 Discover how media manipulation impacts influential figures like Kanye West and R. Kelly, the truth about industry contracts, and the shocking lengths some go to maintain control. Plus, Ronnie opens up about shadow bans, systemic challenges, and how he’s empowering communities through his books and message. 📚  🔥 Packed with valuable insights, this episode offers a rare, eye-opening look at the media, music, and power dynamics shaping our world today. Don’t miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and join the conversation on the Digital Social Hour! 🌟 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - Ronnie Bo Beef Sean Atwood 05:42 - Ronnie Bo R. Kelly Experiences 12:39 - R. Kelly Controversy 14:07 - Kanye West Insights 19:19 - Economic Withdrawal Discussion 23:30 - Amazon Book Removal 34:04 - Secrets Music Contract Negotiation 38:35 - CIA Music Industry Infiltration 42:27 - Prison Fights Experience 45:07 - Going to Prison at 12 48:13 - FBI Targeting Influential Leaders 50:45 - Ronnie Shadowbanned Experience 52:15 - Don't Call Ronnie's Number 57:20 - Rituals in Music Industry 1:00:14 - Controlling Jay-Z Secrets 1:03:19 - Age Ain’t Nothing But a Number 1:04:37 - Government Control Extremes 1:08:33 - Government Belittlement Tactics 1:15:05 - Apologizing to Jagi APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Ronnie Bo https://www.instagram.com/rayshotitproductions https://gr1ndm0de.com/ [phone] SPONSORS: SPECIALIZED RECRUITING GROUP:  https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #DigitalSocialHour #SeanKelly #Podcast #RonnieBowe #MediaWars #MusicIndustry #Illuminati #KanyeWest #RKelly #ShadowBan #PowerMoves #musicmoneymakeover #celebrityinfluencemedia #understandingmusiccontracts #musiccontracttips #recorddealpitfalls #celebritynews #informationdissemination #selfimprovement #informationcontrol #entertainmentnews

Cause of that, like I was really irritated. You were so naturally. And he's like, bro, come on, man. What you doing? And then you went beyond, you know what I mean? I'm asking you nicely, bro. Come on, man. And I beat his ass, you know what I mean?

No, I never, I never had those issues. Like God is my witness. I've never been harmed in any way in prison. I never got beat up in prison. All right guys, Ronnie Bo here today from Milwaukee flew in today thanks for joining us today man. Absolutely it's an honor Sean. Yeah you've been in some drama lately man what happened with Sean Outwood he took down all your interviews recently. Well I actually like Sean man it was, it was his staff that actually created the problem and, uh, he

didn't go about it the right way to resolve the issue. So, you know, so now it's an issue between me and Sean, uh, unfortunately. So what, what did his staff do? Well, initially when I first, my first interview with Sean Atwood, I don't know if he considered dude his moderator, but this dude named Shane is the one that reached out to me. He came off as a decent person at first. He seemed very friendly. We was cordial at first, but, uh, when we first went live for some reason,

he asked the Sean Idlewood audience to, uh, donate to me, right? I wasn't aware that they was going to do that. And, uh, when he asked the audience to donate to me, he told the audience to send the contributions to his PayPal and it was live, so I didn't want to send the contributions to his PayPal. And it was live, so I didn't want to adjust the issue then. So I adjust the issue afterwards. And when I adjust the issue, another one of Sean Atwood's staff or whatever, this guy named Ron Swanson, right?

We were all in a WhatsApp group together, me, Sean, Ron, a few other people, Natalia Rubin. Shout out to Natalia Rubin, she's the one who Diddy shot in the face during the incident, I think it was 99. Damn. With Sean, when he did like 12 years with that. Yeah.

So Diddy shot her in the face. So she was in the group. I see her as a sister, but we were all in a group. So when I confronted the issue and it was like, bro, why did you basically, why would you tell the audience to send the money to you? And the guy, Ron, he got rude about it. Like he jumped into the conversation, he got rude and he said some very disrespectful things. I don't know what type of person they thought I was, but I don't tolerate disrespect. You know what I mean?

I'm a, as you can see, I'm a very respectful person. Yeah. But I don't tolerate disrespect. So it got out of hand and yeah, from there, once it got out of hand, you know, I had to deal with the situation accordingly and it just went too far, you know what I mean? So it became like a beef. So, you know, when you beef or war with a person, like the art of war teach you to know your opponent.

That's a good book. Yeah. You know, you got to know yourself and your opponent. So I looked dude up and the dude, Ron Swanson, right? He got, it's like three documentaries out about him, similar to the documentaries that are out about R. Kelly. You know what I mean? And the allegations about Ron Swanson were even worse

than the things that are alleged about R. Kelly. So it's like, damn, it's like, Sean, these are the type of people who you got working for you. You know, and then he knew that me and Jaguar Wright was cool. So he tried to have Jaguar Wright resolved issue. And I just went about it the wrong way. In a disrespectful way.

So, you know, when I'm disrespected, I, I, I disrespect and yeah, it got out of hand, but damn, that's crazy. The only way to resolve it sounds like a sit down with him. Yeah. And I'll try that, but, uh, he just, he just went about it the wrong way. So at, at that point, you know, it's like, it's, it's, it's conflict is beef is war, you know? Yeah. So it's not your first rodeo with that, right? No, I, uh, I ain't gonna sound like,

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But if you look at his views now, it's like he got about a million subscribers and the views is like terrible. And you could blame me for that, but it's war. Yeah. I mean, you, you pulled a lot of views on those interviews over Hunter K on each one, right? Yeah.

But about, about that. And, uh, when I asked him, why are you taking all my interviews down, bro? He, he blamed it on Diddy. He really, he blamed it on Diddy. He blamed it on Diddy. He said, well, Diddy has a lawsuit against me and I have to take down every interview that he's mentioning. So it's like, bro, come on man.

I don't know if I just look that stupid. I probably do, but I'm not that stupid. So it's like, bro, like my content wasn't about Diddy. My content was about Jay-Z and R Kelly. So you really going wrong with it? And he, he told Jaguar right the same thing. And it's like, did he take down Jaguars interviews? A couple.

Oh, okay. So maybe it was a lawsuit. But her, no, but hers was, she was speaking about Diddy. I didn't say much about Diddy, if anything. I don't remember saying anything about Diddy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, Jaguar went on Pierce Morgan and managed to take that one down.

Did you see that? Yeah, but that was about Jay-Z. Yeah. And I understand like Jay-Z reached out to, well, he had his attorneys reach out to Piers Morgan, just like he had his attorneys reach out to my probation officer. Yeah. You had to take down some stuff for him, right? Take down? I didn't take down this.

Oh, really? No, like the podcast, that's the thing. Like, I want to say this, Sean, like you seem like a straightforward person, honest person, like I've done many interviews, right? Some of those interviews never came out because I'm a truth speaker. And when you speak the truth,

you know, sometimes that ruffled the wrong feathers. And then it's like, I can't put this out. I mean, like even me and you, like this was supposed to happen months ago. Right. Yeah. But I mean, you fell back because you said, you told Matthew Cox or whatever that Jay-Z reached out to you and that you didn't want him to do it. Yeah.

I got a cease and desist. I've never got one before for the pod. Yeah. But that was a cease and desist against me. Not you. But I understood like people don't want them to do it that you, you run a legitimate business, a successful business, and you not willing to jeopardize that for Ronnie Bo, you don't know Ronnie Bo.

I understood that. Like my situation with other podcasters is a little bit deeper. Like they want to control narratives. You know what I mean? Like if you want the truth, let me give you the truth. And I can only give you my truth. You know what I mean? Like for example, when I was incarcerated with R. Kelly, right? Okay. Okay. A female who I was dealing with at the time, she posted some on her social media saying that Ronnie Bow was locked up with R. Kelly and it went viral.

And somehow TMZ got the news to be exact. This news reporter for the work for TMZ named Jacob Waserman reached out to her and said, could you get us in contact with Ronnie Boat? So she made the connection. And when I talked to Jacob Waserman, I gave my truth. And he wanted to, he didn't want the truth. He wanted me to say bad things about R. Kelly.

I mean, a lot of people can say bad things about R. Kelly. I didn't have anything bad to say about him. And it was like, he was basically saying, well, we could do the interview and get you on TMZ, but like the audience want to hear more so that R. Kelly is getting beat up or he getting great. Yeah.

Well, TMZ, TMZ drives off that stuff. Yeah. They want to hear bad and I had nothing bad to say. So they didn't, they never put the interview out cause I didn't have nothing bad to say about the man. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to understand, like most of the time that I was locked up, where R.

Kelly was during a COVID, uh, coronavirus pandemic, right? And at that time, like, you got to understand it. We didn't know what y'all was going through in the community. Know what I'm saying? So imagine what people was going through in the community. Know what I'm saying? So imagine what people was going through in prison. Like if y'all thought the world was coming to an end, just imagine how we felt. You know what I mean? Like it was days that they didn't feed us.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It was, I mean, it was bad in there, bro. So, uh, like R. Kelly probably, when he was venting to me, he probably felt like this, these was his last words. Like that's how we felt in there, all of us. And that, that caused inmates to bond with each other. You know what I'm saying?

So despite what anybody else think about R. Kelly, like they don't know my experiences. They don't, they, they don't know that I was a book author 12 years before I met R. Kelly and, uh, I guess you can say I was a book author 12 years before I met R. Kelly and I guess you can say I was a conspiracy theorist because I didn't really have proof behind my theories, but meeting R. Kelly and speak with him, it's like he confirmed a lot of my theories. You know what I mean?

So I didn't care what the media, I didn't care about what people were saying in the surviving R. Kelly documentaries. Like I didn't, I didn't care about none of that. You know what I mean? I wanted to hear his side of the story. I wanted to hear his perspective on things and, and that was it. And I even wanted to write a book on his side of the story. You know, everybody else heard everybody else side of the story.

I wanted to, I'm, I'm locked up with you, bro. You know what I'm saying? I want to put your side of the story. I wanted to, I'm, I'm locked up with you, bro. You know what I'm saying? I want to put your side of the story out. And, um, that's what I took in. Like what he felt like the real problem was and why, uh, these documentaries came out, you know what I mean? And, you know, I got a, I got a lot of insight from R. Kelly.

Yeah. I mean, I'm locked up with him. The media portrayed him in a terrible manner. I wonder how much of insight from R. Kelly. Yeah. The media portrayed him in a terrible manner. I wonder how much of that was true. Yeah, and that's another thing because like, I'm like a protege of Malcolm X. Like I study everything about Malcolm X and Malcolm X said that the most dangerous

and the most powerful weapon that the United States government has is the media. And he said is because the media has the power to make the innocent look guilty and to make the guilty look innocent. So, you know, taking that into consideration, I didn't want to just write our Kelly office guilty. Yeah. I mean, you're seeing that with Trump, with Tate, to just write R. Kelly off as guilty. Yeah. I mean, you're seeing that with Trump, with Tate, you know, the media is just attacking these guys.

Not just that, but I saw the Mike Tyson, Kobe Bryant, Tupac, Michael Jackson, all these influential black figures were accused of doing sexual crimes with people. And it just like, wow, all of them? No, I mean, it just didn't sit right with me. So I didn't really feed into what the media was saying. But I want to hear his side of the story. You think there's any truth with these parties, like these elite parties?

As far as who like the Illuminati? Just like the Diddy stuff, like you hear these parties and these after parties. Oh, I thought you was talking about like the, but yeah, yeah, it's, of course. You know, you got to think, like, I had a time in my life, like before mainstream knew about Ronnie Bow, I was huge locally

in my city. And when you, when you get a certain type of power, you feel like you could just do anything. You know what I'm saying? You see how these females gravitate towards you. You see how people gravitate towards you. You feel like you can hide your weight. And if you don't got no integrity, that may get the best of you.

And like, I got integrity. So I didn't let the power make me treat people, uh, like they were any less than me, but when people like Diddy, it don't seem like Diddy has any integrity. So you got to think when you got all this power, you know what I mean? I just published a new book called Darkest Fantasy, Darkest Fantasy Sees of the Richest Freaks, right? Now when you got a lot of money and power, like all type of stuff go through your mind like

I could do this I could do that you know I mean and if you don't got no integrity you gonna do some of the most ignoble things because you just feel like you can do whatever you want to do and get away with it yeah no I mean I feel like you get desensitized to normal things when you have that much money and power too you got to keep finding crazier and crazier things to do. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So you see these guys and a lot of these rich guys start going to these

freaky parties or whatever, right? Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. What's going on with Kanye, man? People think he's crazy, but you think he's actually crazy like that? Or you think he's just marketing? I think Kanye is a genius.

I think Kanye is a genius. I think the media is just afraid of people who become so influential. When you become so influential that you could impact the thoughts and actions of the population, right? And you're not no politician or nothing like that. And they can't control you. Now, if they can control you, it's cool. You know what I mean? Like, okay, he got this influence, we can control him. So he gone stay aligned with this agenda.

But people like Kanye West is like, you can't control people like Kanye West or people like me, like Ronnie Bowe. Like, you know what I mean? like Ronnie Ball, like, you know what I mean? Like we not, we all that, you know what I mean? So you gotta try to make people like that seem crazy so the population don't follow them. You gotta think like, okay, they named Jay-Z a billionaire, right?

Kanye West, he was worth more billions than Jay-Z a billionaire, right? Kanye West, uh, how he was worth more billions than Jay-Z, but they couldn't control Kanye. So it's like, if, if Kanye is this successful and Jay-Z is this successful, and we, we want people to follow Jay-Z, but Kanye is more successful. So they going to gravitate towards him. They don't want that, bro. You know what I mean? They want the person that they can control.

So even Kanye was explaining like I've been a billionaire before Jay-Z, but they didn't want to name me no billionaire because they didn't want people looking up to me, they didn't want people to follow me. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's nuts. How many of these A-list celebrities you think are controlled in some way? The majority and those who ain't, they eventually get in line, you know what I mean?

Like even with me, like I'm not as big as Kanye West or Jay-Z but I'm becoming very influential and they starting to see that I'm the type of person that can't be controlled you know I mean so I get death threats and it's been attempts. Damn. Like recently. Holy crap. Uh, my, my, my good friend is actually in the studio with us and, uh, people would think I'm exaggerating, but she's aware because when the incident happened, I told her about the attempt, I mean, on my, on my life and, uh, you know, uh, people would think you would, you line or exaggerating, but this stuff really go on, bro. Like when you become influential, like, and they can't control you, they either

want to, it's either incarcerate or, or assassinate. Damn scary, dude. Yeah. Makes you really wonder like what people sacrifice to get where they're at, right? Well sure. Like you see all these people that people idolize, they look up to and you're like, wow, how did they get there?

You know? Dude. They had to conform in some way. Dude. Because being independent in the music industry, it's really hard to make it, right? Dude. I don't know many artists that have really blown up being independent.

Not many, and I'm independent and I'm a state independent. And see, like people like me, like I really study people like Dr. King and Malcolm X. And I look at their core message. And the day before Dr. King was assassinated, he had a message to the population, right? And he was telling people, we need to withdraw economically from the establishments that are funding these movements that are against us. For example, like, like people, people see these glasses right here, right?

They, they automatically think they cut the ears, right? Now this is a, actually a Milwaukee brand called Diamantes, right? And the owners, you know, one of the owners that is Eric, he gave me these glasses, right? And he gave me these glasses because I've been wearing Cartier's all my life. I'm one of the pioneers of wearing Cartier's. You know what I mean?

Like a lot of the rappers these days, they brag about wearing Cartier's, but no, Cartier's is a billion dollar brand but they don't contribute nothing to my community my culture you know I mean however Diamante created a better brand a better quality of you know I wear you know I mean and they willing to sponsor me they willing to sponsor me. They willing to help me. So why would I continue to wear Cartier, you know, just because they cute or whatever, you know, I look just as cute in, in Diamantes and they actually a better brand and they willing to bag my movement.

You know what I mean? And Dr. King was saying like companies like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, or all these other, like billion, billion other corporations, uh, you know, a lot of people in the, in the hip hop culture, the black culture, whatever you want to consider it, they wear Gucci, Louis Vuitton, and they brag about wearing these brands, you know what I mean? These brands don't donate, contribute nothing to our community.

You know what I mean? They, you know, we have to withdraw from that and either build our own brands or support the brands that support us. You know what I mean? Yeah. A lot of these designer brands are getting exposed right now on social media. Yeah.

Because they make the bags for like 20 bucks and they sell the Gucci bag or whatever for thousands. It's crazy, their margins are insane. They're ripping people off. I mean, it's great marketing, you gotta give them that. Yeah, like if you look at most of my interviews, I, this right here, this is my brand, you know what I mean? And I do this because I understand branding.

I could get on here and wear Gucci or Louis Vuitton, but why? You know what I mean? To impress who? You know what I mean? I'm trying to build something myself for, you know, I'm trying to establish generational wealth for myself, my people, my culture, my community. You know what I mean?

And if I support Louis Vuitton, Gucci and all that, like where's the money going? I'm spending all this money behind y'all brand and press who, you know what I mean? And that money is not going back into our community and people need to understand the significance of that, bro. Yeah, when I was younger, I used to think that way. I used to buy stuff, watches and stuff,

but as I've gotten older, it matters less to me, material objects. I'd rather wear a digital social hour hoodie. You know what I mean? I love it, bro, I appreciate that. I'm cool with you, you know what I mean? I love it, bro. I appreciate that. I'm cool with you. You know what I mean? I'll be representing a brand that I'm associated with.

You know what I mean? Love it. Amazon took down one of your books, huh? What happened with that? It's a back up book. The book, Challenging the Illuminati, is the one that you're referring to, right? Yeah.

And, uh, it's a lot of information in that book that they don't want the population, they don't want the public to know about. Like a lot of the, the hidden messages from people, again, like Malcolm X, Dr. King, people like that. People, again, they forget the core messages that these people was assassinated for. So I put a lot of that information in that book. And of course they assassinated people for this information. So to see that Ronnie Bowe coming from out of nowhere and like delineating this information in a way that people can understand is like this, this book is a threat, you know, and, and they, they took it down, but I pushed to get it

back up and last time I checked, which was yesterday, it's back on. Oh, okay. Wow. Did they give you a reason when they took it down or just no reason at all? No, they didn't even respond. I just noticed that there was backup and see the thing about the book. Like I don't write these books for money. And a prime example of that is like the interview I did

with Matthew Cox again, shout out to Matthew Cox because he is the reason why I'm here with you today. Yeah, shout out to Matt. Yeah. Crazy story. He's got a crazy story. Yeah, that's my dude, man. I got a lot of love and respect for Matt.

But one of the interviews that I did with him went viral, right? And in that interview, I gave out my personal phone number. One of these, this number to be exact. Matter of fact, this number ring too much, it's on D&D right? From that interview, it still get too many calls, too many takes, I can't keep up with.

So for now, I'm gonna give out this number. It's 414-587-1919. And those who call that number, I just published a new book, and I'm gonna give everybody that book for free if they share this interview, if they subscribe to Digital Social Hour, if they like it, you know what I mean?

Any of that, any engagement, you know what I mean? Screenshot it to me, show me, you know, I'm going to give it to y'all for free. You know what I mean? And that's what I did on Matthew Cox Show. I just want people to have the knowledge, bro. You know what I mean? Like if they contribute and give back, thank you, they keep me from going back to the streets. You know, I sold drugs all my life

and I've been locked up all my life for selling drugs. I do not wanna go back to that. So if they buy the books, thank God, thank God, there's somebody, you know what I'm saying, buying my books and keeping me out the streets. But it's not about that. I want people to have the knowledge, you know what I mean? Because like money can go so far,

but if I die today, and let's say I got $10 million put up, like I can't control what happened with that money. But with this knowledge that I'm putting out, it's gonna inspire people, it's gonna enlighten people, and it's gonna guide people to be able to do what I'm doing or what Malcolm H did, what Dr. King did, you know, Fred Hampton, people like that. Damn, that's powerful, man. That's cool. Yeah, I know you told your kids you're not going to go

back to the streets anymore. I saw another interview you did. No, I can't and I promise her. I love that. I promise my mom. Was that after your last time in prison? You said that. I can't do that to them no more because, when you take those risks, bro, sometimes you feel like it's necessary and you got to, but when the consequences catch up with you, it's not about you. you're not just hurting yourself.

You know what I'm saying? You leaving, if you got kids, you leaving your kids out there without a father. You know what I'm saying? And that puts them in the position to go through the same thing you went through. And I'm trying to end that cycle. You know what I mean?

So. Yeah. Damn. How long were you with R Kelly in prison? Well, I went to MCC Chicago. I turned myself in June 23rd, 2019. He ended up getting indicted like July or August. It was a month or two later, right? Yeah.

So we both got indicted in the Northern district, Illinois, which is Chicago. So, you know, when you get indicted, you catch a fed case out there, you know, everybody goes to MCC Chicago, you know, the people who go anywhere else is the people who get ran out of there or, you know, stuff like that. But for the most part, you go to MCC Chicago.

So that's just where we both ended up at. He got a lot of time, right? I don't know the exact years he got. I think he got 30 in the New York and Diamond. And he got like another 30 in Chicago. Holy crap. And they stack those? Yeah.

Jeez. Unfortunately. But I know people probably looking at me like why is this dude saying unfortunately because R Kelly Pubs deserve it, but I don't know if he deserved it. I don't know if he did that. Maybe dude is a creep, but that's not the R Kelly I met, so I can't speak from that point of view. I mean you spent a lot of time with them So people that are talking online didn't meet him face to face and spend years with her man. No, no and then Like I'm a good

Judge of character, you know, I mean like you could Like God just gave me this gift like I could see a person know him for five minutes and just know this person is a full of crap or this person seemed like a real person, you know what I mean? Like, and, uh, R Kelly actually seemed like a real person, bro. And looking at his past, like he didn't, he didn't have the best upbringing. So even if he is a terrible person, like, I mean, I can't justify that by his upbringing, but everybody don't get through that type of mud and come out with no stains on them.

I mean, so, uh, I think he all right, dude, you know what I mean? And I think, uh, just like, like I look at recently, bro, uh, are you familiar with what just happened or do you know Angie Stone? Hmm. No. Okay. She just died, right. And before she died, she was speaking out

about how Universal Records, the music industry, owes her a lot of money. You know what I mean? And you look at Prince, Michael Jackson, all the Whitney Houston, all these people who probably created a catalog that's worth billions, you know what I mean? And they barely getting by.

Eventually, you know, you look at your circumstances and you can't take care of your loved ones and it's like, wow, I'm supposed to be worth billions. Like, where's all my money? And then you get to the point you want to stand up and try to fight for your money. And it's like, why when they stand up, why when R Kelly wanted his money, why was he indicted, you know what I mean? Why when Angie Stone tried to fight for her money, she died. Why when Whitney Houston wanted her money, she died.

Why wouldn't Princeton start talking about this stuff? You know, he died, you know what I mean? Like, eventually people got to start reading between all those lines and see that it's, it's something going on behind the scenes. That's a lot of coincidences you just named that. Yeah, and the coincidences eventually add up to a conspiracy.

You know what I mean? Right. And yeah. And a lot of those are coming out to be true these days. Conspiracies. Used to be crazy for even saying that word 10, 15 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, but now, I mean, follow the money, right?

Money don't lie. You follow the money trail, you find out what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta think, bro, R R Kelly catalog was worth 1.2 billion. Damn, not much. And he, a person that big, you know, he performed at the Olympics. He, he wrote for Michael Jackson. He has some of the biggest hits.

I believe I can fly in, you know, we can name many others. Like this dude basically had to go on tour just to take care of himself and his people. Damn. You know what I mean? When he should have been sitting on $1.2 billion and when he realized that he was worth that and tried to petition and get his worth, you know, now all these allegations, like if he'd been doing all this, like, you know, maybe he did, but why y'all didn't put all that out 20 years ago when y'all said

it happened, you know what I mean? Yeah. Why y'all wait till he start petitioning for his money to start saying he did all these terrible things, you know? She must've signed a bad deal, huh? Record deal. Yeah, he did. And, uh And R. Kelly, not to talk down on him, but he's not the wisest guy, you know?

And these music contracts, even if you are the wisest guy, you know, the terminology is very, very confusing. So you read this stuff, you think it mean one thing and it mean other, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's crazy. And I know because, you know, uh, I was a part of the industry, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm a businessman and I study all aspects and I had to realize that like, it was a book I read when I was incarcerated called Secrets to Negotiating a Music Contract. And it explained like how,

like for example, TLC, I don't know if you're familiar with them, but. Heard of them. They like damn near went diamond and it was a group of three. Yeah. And they paid them $12,000 like total, which they split with, which was like what 4,000 a piece and they were supposed to probably get maybe 4 million a piece.

Holy crap. You know what I mean? But the contracts say this and that, and you think it mean you going to get your worth and it, it, it means this and that, and you think it mean you gonna get your worth, and it mean that you are forever in debt to us, and you are our slave for the rest of your life when you look up the terminology of those contracts. Man.

Signing to a label is not the best move these days, huh? No, I mean, things are changing. People are starting to realize that it's best to be independent, but some people don't, don't have a business mind. And they went like, for example, if, if a label tell you we're going to give you a million dollars, that sounds big. If I tell my mama right now, I just signed a million dollar deal. She's going to be happy. Like, wow, you you a million dollars. That sound big. If I tell my mama right now, I just signed a million dollar deal, she gonna be happy like, wow, you got a million dollars. But the million dollars is actually a loan, right?

It's a loan. And then how they work the million dollars, it's like, okay, we gave this million dollar loan. It seemed like a deal, like this is advanced, like this go in your pocket, but this million dollars is a budget and they control the budget. So they could shoot a video for you, right? And they could pay 10,000 for the video until we pay a hundred thousand dollars for the video. So they already displace you out of $100,000

because that $100,000 takes away from your budget and they only pay 10,000. And then while you're on tour, like even if you go to McDonald's, this all come out your budget, you know what I mean? And so at the end of the day, they basically say, okay, we spent this million dollars on you when they probably only spent 50,000. They inflate everything. Yeah. And then you owe a million dollars for what only cost $50,000.

Then you got to pay that million dollars back. And then like your income is like cents on a dollar. Like for, let's say you, let's say for each record, you get $10, right? You might get nine cent out of that $10, right? So that nine cent, when $10 times 100,000 is a million, that nine cent when $10 times a hundred thousand is a million, right? You got to look at that nine cent times a hundred thousand, which is probably only what, 90,000 or something like that. Yeah.

My mouth ain't there. Or is it 90,000? Yeah. So even if you made the million dollars back, they telling you that that's only 90,000 and I know even, even with me explaining this clearly, it sounds very confusing, you know, but that's how I go. Yeah. Yeah.

They probably word everything in a certain way in the contract. That makes it look nice and good. I don't see a lot of artists happy about their contracts these days. No, they don't know no better. Like it's a lot of people with a lot of talent and they just want to make it. So when some of these big names, like you hear a rock nation or universal want to sign you, you just, you, you excited. Like you, you, you get to tell all your, your family and friends,

this major label want to sign. You get to tell all your family and friends, oh, this major label want to sign. And it sound like the best thing to do, but it's not. Nah, Lil Uzi Vert, man. He signed a 360. He hasn't dropped the song in what, seven years now? Yeah. Crazy. I don't follow that dude much.

He, um. Yeah, you probably like the older school stuff, right? No, it's just, it's just, uh, some stuff be weird. That's an understatement with him, Matt. Yeah. Well, there's that theory that the CIA infiltrated the hip hop industry. Have you seen that? Yeah.

With all the programming in the music? It's active in all government operations. Yeah. They say they've, they've infiltrated in their programming the music to make the youth think in a certain way. Absolutely. And as I explained in the book, Challenging the Illuminati, music is very, very powerful and influential. Like you're familiar with Napoleon Hill, right? Yeah.

Okay. Law of attraction. Some people will consider it wishful thinking, but you know, it talks about repetition, right? Like if you tell yourself every day, I'm a millionaire, I'm gonna be a millionaire. Like you start attracting these things to, like music is repetition, like the courses are repetition. People repeat these certain things and that stuff getting in your mind.

And when that get in your mind, you know, it's a process, like it's your program, then it's your thoughts. And then your thoughts lead to your emotions and your emotions, you know, you act out of your emotions. And then when you make that action, there's a consequence. Your thoughts lead to your emotions and your emotions. You know, you act out of your emotions and then when you make that action, there's a consequence. And you trace this all the way back to your program,

you know, the way you was raised to believe or taught to believe. And a lot of people in the community, you know, they program is based on music. 100%. Even me, I'm a victim of that. Like, I grew up on music that taught that B words, females ain't nothing.

So I started treating females like that. Like in my early days, I grew up on music that taught that glorified selling drugs. And I actually started selling drugs when I was 11. Damn. And like a lot of the youth right now, they listen to music that glorify killing people. So they feel like it's cool to be able to say you killed somebody and they feel like that makes them feel like they are special. You know what I mean? Like they somebody if they could say that they killed somebody and they feel like that, that makes them feel like they are special.

You know what I mean? Like they somebody, if they could say that they killed somebody, this is the music teach them. You know what I mean? So I think in that way, it's going to lead to emotion and that emotion is going to lead to action. That action is going to lead to a consequence. And that consequence is going to be either death or jail. I mean, so.

100%. A lot of violent music these days, man. Yeah. It blows my mind. Yeah. Yeah, that stuff is dangerous, especially with repetition, like you're saying. If you listen to that every day, you're gonna start believing every word. Yeah.

Yeah, people don't realize that music is super powerful. Yeah, and the government know that. The CIA, they definitely know that. The Hottemill sign. I used to listen to a lot of rap, but I had to cut back, man. Only before basketball now, if I want to get angry, you know, it does a good job at that, get you mad before the game. Sometimes that, uh, you could channel it. Yeah.

You could channel, uh, you can, you can even channel emotions that are considered negative emotions into something positive. Like for example, let's say working out. Like when I first started working out, I was in prison. And you know, the weightlifters would tell me like, before you push, think about something that make you mad. You know what I mean? So I think about something that make me mad

and then push and I will be able to push. You know what I mean? So you can channel it that way, but you can also channel it in ways that are, you know, negative. 20%. Were people going at you at prison? Were people trying to pick on you?

No, I never really had that problem. Really? You didn't get in any fights or anything? Yeah, but that's why I never had that problem because like, when I first started going to prison, I was young, bro, You know what I mean? And it was a lot of frustration and pain and anger built up. So anything like my first fight, right?

We all sitting at the table eating and there's one dude just smacking. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes that irritates you. So I tell him like, bro, like, bro, stop smacking like that, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like you can eat, but your mother, you know what I'm saying?

Then he started doing it on purpose. So I got mad and I, I can't cuss, right? No, you can. So I beat his ass, right? I was mad though. Right. And, and when you, when you do something like that in front of everybody, people start looking like, dude, don't play with dudes.

You know what I mean? So I established that reputation early on in jail. Like, I didn't play at all. And then like people already knew me from the streets. Yeah. Yeah, I heard that's a thing when you get to prison, you're supposed to fight right away, right? No, y'all opposed to but you can't let nobody

Can't let nobody try you because if you let one person try you and people, you know, everybody looking at this You know anything yet do get away with that now do think he can try you and that person thing You can try you so you eventually gonna have to fight. You know, it's so like the first, like I didn't do it because of that. Like I was really irritated. We smacked you and it's like, bro, come on man. What you doing? Then you went beyond.

You know what I mean? I'm actually nicely bro, come on. And I beat his ass. You know what I mean? And it was a few other incidents like that. But no, I never had those issues. Like God is my witness. I've never been harmed in any way in prison.

I never got beat up in prison. I guess some of that you can't even, I don't wanna sound like a tough guy. Like don't just credit it to me, but I'm a man of respect, you know what I mean? And in prison it's about respect, you know what I mean? If you respect people, they respect you, you know what I mean? Disrespect people, you get some consequences, you know what I mean? But no, I've never had problems though like that. That makes sense. How old were you the first time you went to prison?

12. Jeez. 12 years old, man. Yeah. How long were you in there? In juvenile prison is worse. Like I've been to the fair state. I've been to all prisons.

You know what I mean? Juvenile prison, worse than adult prison. Because you get less privileges as a juvenile, you know, ironically, but yeah, it was terrible. And then being that young, being taken away from your family, your mama, your grandma, your siblings, it damaged you mentally and emotionally.

Oh, for sure. Cause you're growing up in that environment. Yeah. Damn. How long were you in there at that age? I did a couple of years as a, as a juvenile. Most of the time I was in a group home though. Like the judge came to the conclusion that I didn't have parental guidance. So he put me in a group home.

And ironically, the group home that I was in, the staff members, well one of them was a crackhead and I was still a crack dealer. When he found out I was a crack dealer, like I could have my way like, look bro, you take this I'm finna go have fun and do me. You know, I said, all right, I ain't gonna say nothing, go have you fun, you know what I mean? But, uh, my culture pretty, pretty screwed up, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's really like no guidance, you know what I mean? Like, and then the people who was trying to stand up, like, during the days of, trying to stand up, like,

during the days of, I gotta keep mentioning people like Malcolm X and Dr. King, during those days, there was an FBI director named J. Edgar Hoover, right? And he put in an FBI directive that said, we have to neutralize any one of these individuals who display the power to unify and electrify the rest of them, meaning the population of African Americans, right? So if they see a leader rise who having a positive impact on a population, the culture, whatever,

and he could guide them in a right direction, they're neutralized by them men, incarcerate or assassinate. And that's what they was doing. After that directive was put in, Malcolm X got assassinated, Dr. King got assassinated, Fred Hampton, people like Larry Hoover was incarcerated. Like anybody who displayed leadership abilities

who could like unify and electrify the rest of the culture was either incarcerated or assassinated and they still have, they still implement those directives today, you know I'm saying? And if it's discreet, you know I mean, it shows, you know I mean? Like anytime somebody like me become too influential. So I'm having. They shadow ban you or center you, right? And I'm being shadow banned like crazy, bro.

Like the last interview I did with Matthew Cox, right? Yeah. It did 300,000 views in one day, right? Damn. And then the next day it just declined, like from our nowhere. Like you got to think if anything does 300,000 views in one day, right? That means it's a lot of people sharing this and engaging, right?

Yep. And then it gets to the point like even if you look this interview up, you can't find it. You know what I'm saying? You got to go directly to Matthew Cox's page and look at all his interviews and then, oh, they go to interview with Ronnie Bowe right there. I was going to tell you that because when I was preparing for this episode, I Googled your name and then podcast and it doesn't pop up. I have to go on Matthew's page.

See? So, only his audience is aware of that episode. I'm glad you say that because a lot of people would think, dude, this is conspiracy theory. He making up reasons why the interview didn't go viral. It did go viral. 300,000 in one day. That's viral. But then these days, yeah.

That ain't easy. There's not a lot of guests that can pull those numbers these days. Yeah. Yeah. And now you can't find it unless you go to Matthew Cock page and dig through the interviews like that shadow bandit. That's nuts. Even when I post these clips, I probably can't even mention it unless you go to Matthew Cock page and dig through the interviews like that shadow benefit. That's nuts.

Even when I post these clips, I probably can't even mention your name because what they do is they censor your name. And some of them even censor with AI that your face. I don't know if you're at that level yet, but if they see your face on a video, they'll censor the views. Bro, I'm so glad that you spoke on that

because I've been trying to tell people that and they act like it's just, you just making up stuff. I'm so glad that you spoke on that because I've been trying to tell people that and they act like it's just, you just making up stuff. But no, I know this stuff, man. I'm in it too. I've been shut up in myself when I have uncertain guests. Like if you look at the interviews, they went viral with Matthew Cox. He didn't put my name in the, in the, uh, subject title, right?

Like I might advise you don't put Ronnie Bow don't please don't put Ronnie Bow in the title because they it's not gonna go too far they probably got automation set up so as soon as they see that on a video ha shadow band that one absolutely crazy man that's just because you're exposing the truth that's scary absolutely yeah that's tough man when when did that start happening for you? I initially went viral in early 2023. And I went viral on a podcast that only had 800 subscribers. No, not 800,000 subscribers.

800, you know what I mean? And it did like a half a million in a very, very short time. And then I guess when I saw this dude, Ronnie Bowe, has a lot of intellectual books out there, can influence the population to up rise or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like, we can't have that. I mean, anything you put Ronnie Bowe in on YouTube

is gonna get shadow banned. And then not only that, like I had a lot of followers on Instagram, Facebook and stuff like that. When I first went viral bro, the next day, like my right-handed guy, all my pages got taken away the same day. Damn. So later I built a following on Facebook and all that again. And recently, this was just like a couple months ago, my pages got

taken away again, and that's the real reason why I started giving out my personal number, cause it's like, okay, I'm having impact people trying to follow me, you know what I mean?, okay, I'm having impact. People trying to follow me. You know what I mean? Like what else I'm going to do? Like, like I'm, I gotta give out my number again. It did. Yeah. We'll link it in the video too.

414-587-1919. Call me. Like, but another thing about that, like, if you're not a real person, don't call me, please don't like, don't waste my time because like it's this one dude. He, uh, it's two dudes. One of them is like a LGBTQ and I don't got nothing against the LGBTQ community, but they don't like people like me. You know what I mean?

Like I stand on my manhood and then the other dude, like he had a history of playing, funneling with kids. Right? These two dudes start creating videos to bash me, right? Saying bad things about me. So a lot of the people that was calling me start turning against me. Damn. And that's good.

I want those type of people to turn against me because if I have a movement and y'all will go against me for something that the lowest of life would say about me, like people who plan with kids could say something bad about a stand up guy like me and y'all turn against me. I don't want that type of support. So please audience, don't call my phone if you're not a real person. Like I don't got time for that.

I don't want to talk to you. You know what I mean? That if you real, you know, let's work. Let's try to create some significant positive change in the world and the community. And I'm willing to work with anybody. Like I don't care if you got a podcast, you only got a hundred subscribers.

You know, I do an interview with you for free. I'm giving my books out for free. Like, bro, when I gave out my number, I was getting a thousand to 1500 calls and takes per day. Right? Crap. And like I'm one person, like I got one phone. So I was trying to, everybody's calling about the free ebook. I'm trying to send everybody to free ebook.

Like some people, if they don't get the ebook in 10 minutes, they cussing me out. You're a scammer. And it's like, you could automate that by the way. How? I'll teach you. Yeah you could set up a number where as soon as someone texts it, it sends them the e-book so you don't have to manually do it. Thank God I met you because I don't want people to go against me because of like if you go against me and it's for a valid reason, cool I can accept that but don't go against me because it's a thousand people calling me and it's for a valid reason. Cool. I can accept that, but don't go against me because it's a thousand people calling me and texting me and by the time I look at your text, it's so far down the list.

Yeah, I used to have that issue because I host networking events. And at first only 20 people came, but now I have over a thousand at each one. But I used to manually text every attendee and then it got to the point where it was taking eight hours a day to text everyone. So I had to set that shit up, man. There'll be a game changer for you. But the calls you'll still have to do on your own.

The phone calls. You're gonna be my best friend. Yeah, I'll teach you the business stuff, man. As long as you provide value, that's the hard part. People can't provide value so then they can't monetize, but it sounds like you've been through a lot and you can teach people. Absolutely. Yeah.

I'm here for like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a man of God for real, bro. Like I stand on this, like that, that lady over there, she is very important, powerful, beautiful person. she a very important, powerful, beautiful person. And she was one of the people who called the number. Wow. She didn't get a response from me for like a month. Damn. I mean, like people gotta understand,

like if I didn't respond to her, it's not that I'm ignoring people. Like if I'd have knew this person was reaching out to me I'd have been you know, taste back or call but it's so many people I can't keep up with with everybody you know I mean but I don't know I just I got a good heart I I try to show love to everybody people just got to be more understanding like I'm really one person and people steal from that Matthew Cox interview they steal to this day, bro.

Like they just watched it and they calling or texting. Like it just came out. Like where the free ebook at? Crazy. That's how I found out about you, that interview. Yeah. Yeah. That one blew up, man.

Yeah. We got to get you on X that's the free speech platform, Twitter. Yeah. Are you on there yet? No, I'm a, I'm a need, I'm a, uh. Yeah. Let's get you on there, man. Cause you could say whatever you want on there.

You won't get banned or censored. One thing, one thing I want to speak about though, is, um, the rituals, right? door is the rituals, right. And the music industry and there's also rituals like in the streets, right? Like they have informants, they have people who work for the government to set up other drug dealers and they got to do rituals. Like if you ain't set up nobody in a year, then it's like, bro, what is, what is you doing? Spurred fuzz.

You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. In the music industry, like sometimes people really have to sacrifice a little one and then if you do it once, you think you good and then they, they want to establish that trust again and make sure you still align with the agenda. So they come back to you and say, well, you sacrifice your mom, now we want your son or your daughter. And it's like, damn, I already sacrificed my mom.

You know what I mean? Now I got it. It really go on, bro. It really go on. And even in prison, I got to really humble myself to admit this because a lot of people won't admit this, right? But they do humiliation rituals in prison.

Like everybody don't get sexually assaulted or nothing like that. Like in the sense that you would think. But everybody has to, when you get processed, like they tell you to squat, right? And cough and spread your cheeks. Like literally that's humiliation, bro. Like if I tell you, Sean, go over there and get naked, uh, turn around, squat and spread your cheeks, how would you feel about that? Feel really vulnerable.

Yeah. Humiliated, right? Yeah, humiliated for sure. He do that to all of us. How would you feel about that? I feel really vulnerable, yeah. Humiliated, right? Yeah, humiliated for sure. They do that to all of us. I don't care if you Big Mesh, Larry Hoover, John Gotti, I don't care how tough you think you is, they do that to everybody. Are you naked during that?

Yeah, they make you get butt naked and literally spread your cheeks and squat. If you don't do it, you go under the jail. You know what I mean? Really? You go to ISA, straight to ISA? Yes. Holy crap. Yes. And you can't call nobody. You can't do nothing.

So these rituals go on on all levels, like in the streets and prison and in the industry. And when you get like in a position where everybody looking up to you, whether you a big time musician or actor or whatever, they want to make sure you're in line with the agenda because you got a majority of the population looking up to you. So if you just come out and do a Dr. King speech and all these people looking up to you, you know what I mean? And you tell them to do something that's against the agenda, then you a threat, you know what I mean?

So they, to eliminate that threat, they wanna make sure that you are aligned with the agenda by certain rituals, you know what I mean? Whether it's a mediation ritual or you sacrifice a little one. Like, this stuff really go on. And people, even people who did it before, sometimes like they won't out.

And R. Kelly, for example. Like I don't wanna say too much about him because I'm not the one who want to expose him, but he had to do rituals. And then he got to the point where it's like, man, this enough, I can't keep doing this. And then, you know, it's consequences for that. Then you got people like Jay-Z has to this day on the culture. And even like you got people like, yo Gotti, Lil Dirt who like up and coming Jay-Z's and they look

up to Jay-Z because they want to reach that status. You know what I mean? And they know that I could control all these people by just controlling one. If I can control Jay-Z and all these people look up to Jay-Z, then it's less work. I don't have to put so much effort in controlling everybody. As long as I control Jay-Z and I can make him a billionaire and I can make sure he's aligned with the most desired woman in the culture then, you know? Yeah, that's that seemed pretty planned out, right? That relationship. Beyonce? Yeah. Yeah. No, they tried it initially with Aaliyah, but Aaliyah

was more so attracted to Dame Dash, you know what I mean? And she wasn't trying to be with the agenda. And the agenda, it was a lot of money behind the agenda and not just that, like the influence. Like when they had Aaliyah working under R. Kelly, right? Her album was called Age Ain't Nothing But a Number and she was like 14 or 15. And then they do this publicity stunt to where they put out the R. Kelly married Aliyah, right?

And this is my truth. This is coming from my conversations with R. Kelly. Like not what nobody else got to say in the media or none of that. So according to R. Kelly, it was a publicity stunt. He never married her or none of that. But it was a agenda, you know what I mean? Like they wanted the 14 year olds to feel like it's okay to have sex with older men

and to act grown. And that, that destabilizes the, the household. You know what I mean? Like when, when you a kid and you having kids, you can't really raise a kid properly. You know what I mean? Like you, you, you not even fully developed mentally yet. So how are you going to raise a child and develop them the right way?

You know what I mean? Like the agenda is well thought out and planned, bro. And the strategies that they use are very effective. And it takes a wise person to be able to see through what they're trying to do. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard of those rituals, man. You see the naked one where like people go naked to the award shows. No, but you haven't seen that one. I think it was the rock. He showed up naked. No, I recently saw at the Grammys Kanye made his wife. I saw that.

Get naked. You never know with the media, man. They try to paint him in such a bad light. Yeah, the streets the same way, bro. Like some of these stuff, some of these things that I speak about will seem very outrageous, but because I didn't want to work for the government to be an informant and set up other people, like my integrity wouldn't let me do that.

Yeah. So, you know, I was framed in a federal indictment that I really didn't do. My brother was killed by police officers, you know what I mean? Which I can't prove, but in a way I can prove. And they eventually gonna have to address that. Because see how they work, like, if they got you as an informant, right? Like they don't just got you out here setting people up, but they could tell you to go kill somebody and they gonna let you get away with it. And you know, you could do that.

That's what they did with my brother and not just that. My nephew who I raised, he locked up for murder right now that he didn't do. And the only evidence they had was from a informant that said he committed this murder. You know what I mean? And they do, they doing all this stuff to try to like, just destroy me mentally and emotionally, you know what I mean?

So I can't do what I'm doing. You know what I mean? All because I wouldn't work for the government. You know what I mean? And it's crazy. Like I put out a, I put out a book 12 years ago called the Holy Trap scriptures. Right. The state of Wisconsin, you know, from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, they banned the book

and the whole state of Wisconsin. Holy crap. I didn't know they could do that. Yeah. Like they go to the extremes when they can't control you and align you with the agenda. No, no, no telling what they do, bro. That's not, I wonder how many informants they have.

You think it's a lot? That's, that's, that's another reason why I want to go back to selling drugs because the majority of these dudes out here is either informants or if they get in a real tough situation they will become a fool. Oh yeah. Especially at the level you were at. You know? They don't have integrity, bro.

They not strong mentally. If they tell you, look, if you don't tell on Ronnie bow, you're going to get life or stuff like that, you never gonna see a girlfriend again. These dudes can't handle that mentally or emotionally and they gonna fold. You know what I mean? Like it's only a few of us who not going for that. So how they got you in performance? Yeah. Like people close to me, damn.

That's my stop. Yeah, people real close to me. And then Foreman's even like, and I even, if you look at my case in the Eastern District of Wisconsin, you can look it up on CCAP, case number 17, CV 1192. Right. I sued the DEA before they indicted me. Really?

And this DEA agent was discovered as a racist and he was discovered as somebody who had framed other people in cases, not just me. You know what I mean? And my indictment was like malicious prosecution. Like you indict me because I sued you and because I won't work for you. You know what I mean? And now I'm caught up in all this, my freedom gone.

For a minute I was on the run, couldn't go see my son when I wanted to see him. Now I'm locked up. My son hurt because his dad ain't around. I really didn't commit this crime. You know what I mean? And y'all did this because I wouldn't work for y'all. And they go to the extreme, bro.

And that's just the street. So the music industry, you know, music is a lot more influential. So just imagine what they do in that industry. I mean, you're starting to see it. Justin Bieber's looking crazy these days, right? He looks like he's mentally distraught over something. Yeah, and it's probably because of what everybody know he did with Diddy. And that, you know, he was a young man like man

Lord have mercy on that young man's mind and his heart because uh like he was taking advantage of bro and they use people like Diddy and let them do anything to anybody until you fall out of line and start thinking you are bigger than the people who put you in position. Like, Diddy did some bad things to not just Justin Bieber, not just Usher, but a lot of people. And he shot a lady in the face who I see as my sister. But even with that, back to the Sean Atwood thing, right? Like Sean Atwood, most of my interviews, he wanted me to talk bad about R. Kelly, JZ Diddy, right?

And okay, yeah, I had some bad things to say about JZ. Even Diddy, I didn't speak because I don't know much about Diddy, you know what I mean? But it's like, you want me to, you want all my interviews to be directed towards tearing down other black men, right? And then I find out that Sean Atwood was part of a white supremacist organization, right? And then I find out that Sean Atwood was part of a white supremacist organization, right?

He admitted that in an interview, right? And I know how this go in the feds, right? Like when you go to the feds, like me, I was with the GDs, right? I grew up GD, so that was the right thing to do. Sean Atwood, he said, he tried to make it seem like he had to join them. You didn't have to join them.

And then even when you join them, you locked up for years around people who were expressing all this hatred towards a certain group of people, and you want to get out and act like that is not weighing on your mind. So I tested Sean Atwood when I was trying to resolve things and I tried to do something

positive for the black community. I tried to push peace and I told him during a live interview, like, look, bro, I don't want to talk about Jay-Z or Diddy or none of them no more. Like, yeah, they creeps or whatever. You know what I mean? But I said enough about them. Like, I don't, you're not finna, you're not finna dictate my content and, and focus it on that when I got a lot of positive things to talk about.

So that let's, let's, let's, let's talk about some positive things. You know what I'm saying? That we could do in a black community. And they want with that. You know what I mean? So. Well, from his point of view, he probably gets way less views, you know? Yeah.

And Sean Atwood, he's suffering right now. You got to look at his views lately. Yeah. Yeah. You seem to hold a grudge on people you don't mess with. No, it's not just that, but they tried to belittle me and I'll treat everybody with respect. I don't care how great, big or none of that.

Like I'm gonna treat everybody. I'm gonna treat the person you consider the bum on the street begging for change with the same love and respect that I'll treat Donald Trump, you know what I mean? And that's just me, you know what I mean? But when I see a person trying to belittle me, when I know the integrity and the love I got in my heart, then I got to make an example and stand up for the little guys and show that you're not going to be able to treat everybody that you see as a little guy, like a little guy.

Cause now it's like, you know, I got them by the balls. You know what I mean? Like this, this channel that you work so long to establish is in jeopardy. At any minute, any minute, like I got an email list of like 10,000 people, right? If I email all them people and say, report Sean at Woodchannel, his channel will be taken down instantly within days, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I ain't going to do that yet, man.

You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I ain't going to do that yet, man. If he, if he, if he come correct and he realized that, you know, that, that he got himself in a situation with a, with a person he underestimated and he, you know, humble himself and come correct them, you know, I let him keep his channel.

I might have to set up that boxing pay-per-view, man. You and him. Did you see the, did you see the text message I sent him when I said, I said, apologize? No, I didn't see that. You told him to apologize to you? I sent it to you. So apologies mean a lot to you.

Yeah, go to your WhatsApp, cause that phone did. It's probably in one of them, this now. Yeah, it's probably older, but you told him to apologize, though? Yeah, we could say that for another time, but he instantly went on his page and apologized and said, I'm sorry Ronnie Bowe, but if you rewind that to how arrogant they was and how they was trying to belittle me, you will see that it was something that happened in between that to make them realize like, let's stop playing with this dude.

He, uh, he probably not as small as we would like to believe. Yeah. I mean, but shout out to Sean Atwood, man. Just get it together, bro. That should keep your page. I got a cheer for my fellow Sean. If we share the same name, man. No, you are spelled better. Let's go S-E-A-N that's the superior way to spell it. You

got a you got a you got a way better soul way better personality man. Sean Atwood, he still you know he was he was with those white supremacists so long he still think that way you like you can't be a part of an organization for years and then get out and not think. Yeah, that just doesn't leave you overnight, right? No. Yeah, makes sense, man. Anything else you got?

Well, yeah, I got a. You got a book coming out soon? I got a lot of books out. They gotta just look up Ronnie Bowe, but I wanna, my sister, my dear sister, Jaya Ward-Wright, been saying I owe her an apology, right? And she was supposed to come here, did she respond?

What'd she say? We get to apply for the moment. I'ma let you have that tomorrow. I'm probably gonna be back in Milwaukee, but she was supposed to be here today, but my dear sister, one, I wanna congratulate her for the award that she won, the freedom award that she got at Mar-a-Lago. You know, I didn't know that.

Congrats. Yeah. Congratulations to her for that. But she said I owe her an apology and I really didn't think that I owe her apology but since she stated it publicly I'm gonna address it publicly but I'm gonna say uh, Jack I love you this this conflict ain't for us it's not for us you know and uh with the influence that you have and the influence that I have I think that it's best for us to like collaborate.

Like you are a very talented woman outside of the public speaking, and I'm a very talented guy. And I think we should collaborate on the album. And if we do that, we can go on tour and during the tour, while we perform our music, we could do our public speaking and spread positive messages to the community, if not just nationally, but probably internationally. Because we both got fans in London.

I don't know if you saw some of the messages I sent you, but I had people from the UK, London, calling the police and make sure Ronnie Boyes protected, you know, provide him with police escort services, you know, as I suggested, you know, because I get real attempts, assassination attempts on my life. You know, it's no telling, but,

Jack, I'm not finna do this with you. I love you, sis, and I think you should really consider this proposition. I love that, man. Yeah. And I hope she says she'll come tomorrow. That's for you, Sean. Damn. Make sure, I'm probably gonna leave, but I'm gonna make sure.

Oh, she moved her flight back. That's a good girlfriend, man. We'll do a part two tomorrow with her. Yeah, that. I hope she accepts your apology, man. I don't know what the beef is, but sounds like you really value her relationship. No, I'm not apologizing, though.

I love, but I don't know what to apologize about. I'm just saying. So she's mad at you right now? It seem, I don't know. She said publicly and Jay got both, she got two of my numbers, right? Yeah. So she could have just called or text and said,

you owe me apology. Well, being that she said it publicly, then I have to address it publicly. Maybe she got asked on the spot about you and she did not respond, you know? Yeah. Who knows? But it sounds like you two go back

and you got a really tight relationship. Yeah. It's cool, dude. Anything else you wanna close off with? We'll do another part tomorrow. The shot hit her. Hit it? He's ready, so shit, I'ma hit it.

Turn me on, Josh. Hit it. He's ready. So I'm ahead. They're going to hear it. Yeah, we'll throw it on the video. I was in that courtroom alone, so fed off of food and clothes Back in the studio doing songs, fuck my ex I'm moving on Ask the streets who they rooting for, nigga you a boat I was homeless, had no house keys, told Caroline, baby don't doubt me Can I sleep on your couch please for bout a week While I waste G's just taking these thoughts out to E-frame By the fairs nobody believe me I'm Ronnie Bowe, I'm a walkie-z

Yeah I'm the one that got R. Kelly off PC Had to fall back from the GD's but TP still plugged Obviously, am I him? Possibly What else would Jay-Z wanna kill me or solid me? Jad wore a rice sale, owe her an apology If I'm your brother, why you let him make me out of mockery? Yeah F**k, no cop bro, perfect Alright guys, we'll check out Ronnie's socials below

And we'll link his Amazon if you wanna check out his books And your phone number, thanks for coming on And we'll do a part two tomorrow man Yeah, put the link in the description, all the links the description bro. Will do. All right guys check them out. Boom.