Digital Social Hour - The High Stakes Life of Banned Professional Gambler Mikki Mase : Digital Social Hour #11

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

Attention, fellow gamblers! Are you ready for a wild ride into the world of high stakes gambling? In this latest episode of The Digital Social Hour podcast, we'll hear from Mikki Mase, a controversial... professional gambler who’s been banned from major establishments in Las Vegas. Mikki shares his journey into the world of gambling, detailing his experiences growing up as a child surrounded by high stakes gambler grandparents. Despite some poor decisions early in life, Mikki managed to turn himself into a successful businessman using his gambling skills. We’ll also hear from our hosts, Ari Gold and Sean Mike Kelly, as they discuss their experiences with gambling in Las Vegas and Los Angeles. They remind us that winning in casinos is not always the norm, and that only the 1% of gamblers have had a lifetime of winning. The conversation also touches on the issue of tattoos in the professional industry. Our guest speaker, Mikki, talks about how his face tattoos and visible ink once affected his corporate career and led to judgmental views. Our hosts also chat about investments, such as cryptocurrencies and hard assets like Rolex watches. But the highlight of this episode has to be Mikki's fascinating stories about his encounters with A-list celebrities, including Logan Paul and Lil Baby. He even won a million dollars on camera for Logan, Mike, and Ryan, but his fame brought with it a lot of unexpected baggage. So if you're intrigued by the world of high-stakes gambling, tattoos, and celebrity encounters, tune in now to The Digital Social Hour podcast, hosted by Ari Gold and Sean Mike Kelly. Don't miss out on this wild discussion! SPONSORS: Manscaped - https://www.manscaped.com - Use code "DSH" for 20% Off + Free Shipping! LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 all right welcome back to the digital social hour i'm your host sean kelly along with my co-host ari gold what's cracking and our guest guest today, Mickey Mace. How we doing? I'm good, Sean. What brings you to Vegas? So I'm going to play a tournament at the Wynn tomorrow. Then I'm going to play a tournament at PokerGo on Sunday. Okay, nice. But actually, it's a problem because I'm banned from both Ari and the Wynn. So I've been battling with them over the phone all week
Starting point is 00:00:39 to see if they'll permit me to come and play the tournament. And we haven't got a straight answer from anybody yet. So I'm just going to pull up after this after this i'm gonna go see them both so if you're banned from aria you can't go into the poker ghost studios well this is the thing i because it is operated through it's aria like if you want to play in the game you have to play with aria chips right you have to cash in and cash out aria i've been in the studios like i've been there i vibed out i've been on camera whatever sure but they don't have like first of all everybody in the poker community like loves to have me you know what I'm saying like I'm like
Starting point is 00:01:06 it's a small tight in the community for those that don't know I mean there's probably what a hundred a hundred mainstream guys that everybody really you know knows and within that community you can kind of go into a room and just you know oh that's fucking Phil Ivey or oh that's you know whoever but you know within that it's the same you know certain athletes you know you have a list b list and c list and I feel like you're definitely in that A-list category. Yeah, you know, so when I go in the PokerGo studio, it's like that, you know, we just homies vibing. But as far as like actually playing, I haven't been able to play yet because I can't buy in or cash out. Like I'm not able to.
Starting point is 00:01:37 I can't even walk into any of the MGM properties, particularly Aria. For some reason, security at Aria is so fast on me. Like I don't even have like, I can't even do a walkthrough. So you'll get grabbed if you walk in. Oh, a hundred percent. I post videos all the time. Well, I used to post videos.
Starting point is 00:01:50 You go on my TikTok, you'll see videos of Aria security escorting me and anybody I'm without. One time I was with Roddy Ricch, Lil Baby, Keefa and Ben Kix. We all came together and we're playing at one of the MGMs and they tried to throw all of us out
Starting point is 00:02:03 because they were with me. It was a real big ordeal. I want to know how this started. How did you get – how did this persona start? Where did all the gambling come into play? How did you get to this level? Like, talk us through the journey. Yeah, I've been gambling on –
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Starting point is 00:02:31 Yeah, we need that Costco plug. That's a big wave. Shit. Yeah. So I've been around gambling my whole life. Like, my whole family is basically just, like, gamblers. That's what they like to do, you know? And so when I was young, it was, like, kind of family time. Like, you know, when the family was together, it was like, what are we going to do you know and uh so when i was young it was like kind of family time like you know when the family was together it's like what are we gonna do we don't
Starting point is 00:02:48 really play board games they're like let's play play blackjack yeah you know pretty much but you know we'd play with like pocket change like pennies dimes nickels right right and so that's how i learned i don't know maybe somewhere around the age of five i started to learn and then uh a lot of my life i was like with my grandparents and raised by my grandparents and they were like lifelong high-stakes gamblers damn so i basically grew up in like new york city card rooms like you know i was around like these really iconic people but also yeah i was a child like uh you know you don't really understand where you're at and what you're doing yeah yeah i didn't understand who i was around i didn't really understand but these people who now as
Starting point is 00:03:24 an adult i realized were like caring for me right like we would have all our meals in the card rooms if i was ever bored somebody's very like iconic people but again as a kid i was just like oh that's you know uncle so-and-so or that's the friend whatever and they'd be like hey do you want to you know go to barnes and nobles and grab some magazines i'll come sit with you little did i know like who these people were it only when, when I got older, did I realize, you know, but yeah, I grew up in like New York city card rooms. Damn. All right. So what was the transition like? I mean, obviously going from New York to Vegas, how's that kind of, how's that transition process going?
Starting point is 00:03:59 Well, I actually ruined my life first. All right. Explain. Yeah. I made like an like i made like an incredible extended period of only the most poor decisions i can make you know i was partying and i had like zero like zero like regard for consequence and uh i was just out of control i was living in your 20s bro it's all good younger than that actually you know i was like i was like a early teen and teenager and just live but living the thing is all the people around me were in their 20s, bro. It's all good. Younger than that, actually. You know, I was like an early teen and teenager and just living. The thing is, all the people around me were in their 20s living like 20-year-olds.
Starting point is 00:04:30 So here I am, 13 and 14, living like I'm 20. A little bit obnoxious. I got you. Yeah, you know. And so I actually made a pit stop down in Florida. And that's where I straightened my life out at. And I started a new life. I started working.
Starting point is 00:04:41 I started as a day laborer, worked my way up. I used the phrase in one of my first ever big interviews and I said that I leveraged my way up until being a fairly successful business person. But it was interesting how many people were not receptive to the term of leverage. So I think a better way to put it is I just forcefully requested promotions.
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Starting point is 00:06:48 I never like lived. There's no time to actually be a kid and shoot the shit. Yeah. So I was like, you know, at whatever age I was and I stopped business. I sold some business. Some of the other businesses I gave away, but it's an interesting concept because some of them are like not, um, without me, they don't make money. Like there was nothing to sell. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I was the business. So when I, it's tough when people get to know the owner and that's, that's really the whole personal relationship. And I, I honestly
Starting point is 00:07:15 experienced something like that with one of my first businesses that I sold. And I soon realized that, that, that level of transition really takes a uh you know a skilled person to not only hand off the baton but teach that next person how to handle the clients how to handle each account how to really you know connect with people and i feel like especially in businesses with guys like you and i and especially sean it's more the business itself is more tied to the personal relationship and the connection than it is even the business you know you could charge the same price as the competitor but if somebody vibes with you and they want to fuck with you they're going to regardless right that's exactly right so i made a comment in an interview how i sold some businesses and i gave others away and they're like oh if you're so successful you never
Starting point is 00:07:56 give a business away the thing is that there was nothing to i'm not gonna let's say me and you had that relationship right that you would take my business over sean's because me and you were better friends you preferred me how do i sell your phone number like to the guy who wants to step in line like it doesn't work that way right i can't tell you hey some guy offered me a bag so i need you to keep doing business with that keep fucking with that guy even though it's not me yeah i can't do that so like this concept of giving away what it really was it was like handing over a rolodeodex. Like, here's the blueprint. Do what you do.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. So I did that and I stepped away from like making money. And the thing is, I, at this point I had acquired, you know, some money and I was like, I just want to live, man. Like I want to basically be a kid.
Starting point is 00:08:38 So what was the allure to Vegas? Like from Florida? That's, that's a jump. Well, it wasn't, it wasn't. So I actually, I moved to LA. Oh, fuck. Yeah. I moved to LA and, and that has, it's obvious all it wasn't. So I actually, I moved to LA and yeah, I moved to LA
Starting point is 00:08:45 and, uh, and that has, it's obvious allure its own toxicity in its own. Yeah. Yeah. And then when I moved to LA, I always loved gambling. I have probably more money than is for my own good at this point. I have all the time in the world. And so like once a week, I was taking a trip to Vegas and like pretty quickly, you know, it's all relative, like the, the amounts you amounts you're gambling, like what's a lot, what's a little, it's all relative. So I was gambling with what I thought was not a lot when I was first coming to Vegas and I'd been desensitized. I'd been gambling since I was a kid and growing up in the card rooms. So for the amounts I was gambling, Vegas started going crazy.
Starting point is 00:09:18 They were like, let me give you a jet. Let me give you this. Let me give you that. I'm like, didn't understand why. Like, all right. I'm like, all right, whatever. And then slowly I started realizing what was happening and i said you know this is actually a very profitable endeavor so far but i didn't enter vegas thinking like i'm gonna be a profitable gambler i was like i'm just gonna gamble he's gonna blow time yeah
Starting point is 00:09:37 i'm gonna have fun i'm gonna party i'm gonna win some i'm gonna lose some but it turns out that i won more than i lost i feel like but see listen and for as long as I've been in Vegas, it's almost like nine years now. I feel like it's always the guys that come to Vegas that don't give a fuck about making money that make money. And it's always the assholes that come to Vegas. Like I got my last hundred thousand and I'm going to fucking win it. And then they come back and they're like,
Starting point is 00:09:58 I lost the house. I lost the car. I think that's a huge aspect. Maybe it is. Imagine this. Imagine it's your last hundred thousand. You're gonna play. Like it's your last hundred thousand. I think that's a huge aspect maybe it is emotion imagine this imagine it's your last 100,000 you're gonna play like it's your last 100,000
Starting point is 00:10:09 yeah you know but if it's like if you're gonna spend that 100,000 you got another 100 million in the back it's like yeah you're gonna play like more comfortably more like in your comfort zone
Starting point is 00:10:20 and in your space and you're gonna respond more comfortably to high critical and high stress situations yeah I get that all right so what do you think i'd like to hear what your take is on somebody kind of figuring out that groove or understanding their own comfort zone because obviously like we just said you know there's different limits to playing and obviously different price ranges fit different people is there a trick or is there a certain um mindset that you put yourself in before you hit the tables where you're like all right i can meditate for four minutes or i mean talk me through what you do before you hit the streets well first i want to
Starting point is 00:10:56 um i want to speak on the first part you said and the way i could the advice i'd give somebody else is you're don't go to Vegas thinking you're going to win. The truth is, honestly, you know, the casinos are so nice because everybody loses, right? There's only a few people in history that have been an actual winner in
Starting point is 00:11:13 Vegas. And the few of us that exist have all gotten famous from it over time. Yeah. Yeah. Like not like a one time, like one way. We're talking to consistent winner. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:20 There's only been a few lifetime winners and the few of us, including myself got famous from it, which means it's an absolute rarity it's a very unique characteristic you're calling yourself part of the one percent because you are essentially which is why we got this recognition you know like sean you know despite how long we known each other what have you like you didn't invite me on here because i'm so good looking right you know what i mean i i i've got depends on who you ask i don don't know. I don't know, bro. Careful. A face only a mother could love. Hey, man.
Starting point is 00:11:48 I don't know. For me, it's that shiny-ass tooth. I'm just, like, bedazzled. I've been waiting for these diamonds. I got these diamonds 10 years ago. What? Yeah, because I know the woman who created the tooth gems, right? Her name's Susie.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Get the fuck out of here. Her name's Susie. Shout out Tooth Candy, right? So I was one of her test subjects when she was first trying to formulate how to do it. They're drilled in your teeth. No, no. These are bonded on braces, like the blue UV light and all that. Now when you get them, they last three to six months or something.
Starting point is 00:12:17 I got mine 10 years ago. She was going through different testings to see which glues and which this and which bond. This motherfucker never came off. Let's talk about the tats. How old were you when you got your first tattoo and why are you against them now i got two at the same time for my first tattoo i was like 15 or 16 i was like straight out of like juvenile prison i was like i think i was like two months out i was like two months home and i got uh i got a tattoo that goes shoulder to shoulder and then i got something on my stomach okay yeah and why are you against them now and you're now removing them so i know what it's like to have no tattoos i know it's like to have some i know it's like that a lot i know what it's like to have ones that are uncoverable i know it's like
Starting point is 00:12:57 to have your hands and neck i know it's like to have your face i know it's like to be tattooed from the top of my head down to the bottom of my toes i'm sure the stigma gets annoying as fuck yeah i have watched directly the result of the progress of being tattooed and the way my life is affected sure it only has a negative impact having tattoos is only a liability and it is a zero percent asset in what way explain okay there's a lot of ways the first is standard judgment right 100 yeah now i knew before i got my face tattooed that i was going to be judged for having face tattoos but the state of mind i was in then i was young right i had like this perspective on reality that is not real today i i have certain let's say certain tattoos right that at the time was something i was really into and i really loved
Starting point is 00:13:42 we're talking 15 years later i don't even watch that show anymore. Why the fuck did I do that? I don't even like that show. If you're in a Pokemon card, let's say, and you get a Pokemon tattoo, and 15 years from now, you're like, Pokemon was whack. Where the fuck was I thinking? You're stuck in a Pokemon tattoo forever. Then you get other people that are like, no, I thought about this for two years.
Starting point is 00:14:03 It's my grandmother who passed away i think that's a little different scenario than getting you know like fucking you know east side on your cheek or something like that and again this is nothing against you and an attack i i have listen i have a great stigma of friends that are completely tattooed and they all have the same you know the same kind of stigmas that are attached tattooed and they all have the same, you know, the same kind of stigmas that are attached to them. And it's unfortunate because ironically, some of the people that have the most tattoos are from the same scenario that come from just, you know, harsh backgrounds or made dumb mistakes when they were younger. And now, you know, they're running fortune 500 businesses and they're getting looked up and down like they're fucking crazy because, you know, they've got skull and bones or, you know, whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:14:46 And I feel like that, you know, early judgment is pretty contradictory of how our society looks on people and looks on things, you know, really quickly. And when they say don't judge a book by its cover, it's almost impossible when, you know, the cover's got all these colors and stuff. And you're like, well, fuck, let me, me you know let me find out what's behind this book you know it's interesting what you just said that fortune 500 company uh guys who run those companies have hand tattoos yeah so there's a huge stigma that people with those tattoos can't do that and i was one of those guys like i had worked on for a long time you couldn't though yeah you know it's it's only i think i feel like it's only become normalized in the past five ten years if anything even anything. Even the word normalized, I don't know, is exactly accurate. You're right.
Starting point is 00:15:27 People like me, and I did work on Wall Street, and I had face tattoos. The challenges I had are maybe the closest you can relate to somebody who also wants to run a Fortune 500 company. If they have hand tattoos, it's the same as a guy who never had a college education. So it's not impossible, but they have the same hurdles. But why would I want to add those hurdles to create issues? Right. I don't have, I already have my own issues. Right. I didn't have to add ones that people will give me more hard times about. Sure. And especially ones that don't know you and they're kind of just predetermining and prejudging off just the looks. It's, it's kind of shady. Yeah. Let's dive into a fun topic. Talk
Starting point is 00:16:02 to me. Cryptocurrency. So mickey i've known you for years before your social media fame yeah i know what you've done i know who you know i know you started a top three meme coin yes i know you did and i don't know if i'm gonna drop the name but i want to hear the story well i know that you know I did because I hired your firm to do its marketing. And the plot thickens. So one of the first – I think No Jumper, the first interview I did for No Jumper, I've done a few. And I think that first one might have been my first interview ever. It was like I barely had social media.
Starting point is 00:16:44 And I know Adam outside of social media and i know adam outside of social media like i know him like through bmx right so when he invited me on his show i almost thought it was just like one friend to another i've never watched no jumper i was so distant from social media i didn't really know what was going on and i thought it was like one friend to another like yo like we know we met at like a bmx come on and shoot the shit yeah right so i went on and we're just talking i even told him not to ask me so many questions but i was not pr trained like right just literally was two buddies your first fucking podcast how are you gonna know yeah exactly so when i told him i said hey
Starting point is 00:17:15 out of these topics you know about me only one and he told me which one he's gonna pick and i said cool and it definitely was not that and so when that got brought up there was like uh a little bit of flack and then um i've never talked about it again and um the way that it started um was a really long time ago i was at an airport and i was flying commercial and when i used to fly commercial i would consciously be the very last person aboard. Because one of my biggest pet peeves in life is waiting in line. And I don't want to stand on this plane. You already have a fucking assigned seat.
Starting point is 00:17:53 What does it matter? Yeah. Literally. Yeah, I don't want to be like pushed up against strangers holding my bag. I'm good. So I'm sitting in the thing. And there was a kid about my age sitting like kind of right next to me. And it looked like
Starting point is 00:18:05 he was doing the same thing and he was wearing a brand new ap and this was a really long time ago when like if you had an ap like you were you were early you were early to the game yeah i just says to the kid i says nice watch and he says thanks this we're flying from miami to vegas right and he goes uh thanks i just flew here to get it i I said, oh, you live in Vegas? He goes, yes. Oh, I live in Miami. And we start talking. He goes, take my number, because if you ever need a watch guy in Miami, I got you. I said, okay, cool. Me and this guy kept in contact for a little while, and we ended up becoming like best friends for like the next two years. And anytime he's South, he's with me. Anytime I'm West, I'm with him. And we just vibed out. And i don't know i mean you know who he is
Starting point is 00:18:46 you know what i'm talking about yeah and um he ended up uh should i say it is this who i think it is no uh maybe should we say the company yeah i think who gives a we can edit it later who gives a i think you should say all right i'll just say all right so he was one of the founders of coin market cop which sold to Binance for 400 something million. Yeah. And so he was my best friend, is my best friend, you know. And he had came to me one time and he said, hey, like, I want to work on a project. And I said, let's run it.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Yeah. I said, let's do it. And yeah, we uh some things uh one of them that i created was uh the number three meme coin in the history of cryptocurrency and i had to kind of reference that in an interview and um there's been so many like gray conversations like that there's been a lot of uncertainty even like we're having now like you know what do we address what don't we address what benefits does it have to address like you know our boy right he wants uh discretion he likes anonymity yeah he would like his privacy and he's entitled to it there's a lot of other people are there's also been like an endless
Starting point is 00:20:00 amount of dead bodies showing up of crypto millionaires and billionaires. Yeah. You know, they all die around the same time. They all die for very mysterious reasons. Their bodies wash up in very interesting areas. They all happen to end up in Tulum somewhere. Exactly. You know, and so there's like a lot of fear. Like, what do we talk about? What don't we talk about?
Starting point is 00:20:18 And even what benefit does it have? Right. So, yeah, I did create that coin. And I hired you and your firm to do the marketing man i love that last bull run was nuts uh you know i have a wee man yeah uh i have a feeling that we're gonna have something like that again right after this next crash i just have a feeling everything's gonna bottom out and and again this is all speculation but for me i've been stacking fucking gold and silver like it's my job lately so i feel that you know crypto's cool but hard assets that's where it's at i got some gold watches you can that's the best part about
Starting point is 00:20:55 gold is that you can literally buy it in so many different things like you can buy gold watches that will retain their value if you get a rolex that's completely fucking stock and you don't you know tamper with it you put it in box and papers and you get a Rolex that's completely fucking stock and you don't tamper with it, you put it in box and papers and you leave it like that, you're already making double your money. The problem is that if you choose to sell it and you have an account with Rolex, you're pretty much going to be fucking up your account.
Starting point is 00:21:18 It's a double-edged sword, but it is what it is. What about you? What's your watch collection looking like? Most of my watches are in a safety deposit box in New Jersey. I like that. There was like a factory or we flooded out. What are we doing with them? I have a little bit of everything.
Starting point is 00:21:33 I also have a small collection of vintage watches and pocket watches. Tell me more. Tell me more. I have some, some Breguets and some Audemars. Okay. Yeah. I have,, uh, some burgeys and some automas. Okay. Yeah. I have, I have a,
Starting point is 00:21:47 I have a couple of things. Hey, I just bought an old Salini Rolex, dude. Yeah. I'm in love. Yeah. Good bro.
Starting point is 00:21:55 I think, uh, uh, I smoked a little too much weed. Let's get back to the gambling. So you gamble with all these A-list celebrities. Yeah. I want to walk through a couple of them.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Uh, what was it like gambling with Lil Baby gamble baby is always cool he's like always just like down with the get down right he's like no hassle no hard he's like baby just wants to be one of the guys yeah he's just hanging out and and you wouldn't know that he's a little baby if if he if if you didn't know shit about social media and you had no clue about who the guy was he i think he goes into the category of guys that are really down to earth, like we were talking about earlier with Post and Luda. I definitely feel like when you get to a certain level of fame,
Starting point is 00:22:33 there is nothing more priceless than just having that privacy with your homies or just being able to go into a grocery store and grab a fucking carton of milk without somebody harassing you for a picture. Dude, a post on impractical jokers the other day yeah i'm like how the fuck do you not recognize this guy there's some people man like they're really like a post is so like well i'm i agree with you i also agree with the fact that there are people that just do not keep up with social media do not listen to music do not like they're just in their own world, man. Something interesting I learned about, so when I was in business, I was kind of anti-social media.
Starting point is 00:23:13 I was completely anonymous and, like, all of this. I had no idea. Like I told you, like, I didn't know what No Jumper was. And I was friends with Adam. Right. So, like, there are people that, like, never even considered it. And then once I entered the space, like, looking space like looking back i'm like wow i'm still learning every day like no matter what level of fame i might be at whatever i'm still learning every day like oh that's who this is that's you know like see but i feel like that's a that's a true a true like sign and testament to your friendship because all right
Starting point is 00:23:39 i'll put it in perspective here if i have a friend that I know owns a restaurant, I'm not, I'm not about to be going in there every fucking day, asking for a free meal. That's what a dickhead would do. Yeah. If you were a real friend, you're real friend. Extra took the words out of my mouth.
Starting point is 00:23:55 You're going to go in, you're going to show support. You're going to bring in other people. You're going to have other, other clients and whatever. You're going to support that shit because you know, homies got to pay bills. It's the same thing with, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:04 people in the music industry or people that are doing podcasts or that have relevancy and for you to say that you didn't even know about his podcast that just means that you're you were every time you're with him you were kicking it with him you weren't like hey what are you working on hey how can i how asking a million questions about you know what they got going on it was probably more or less the conversations of how are you you good you know you okay life's good all right cool damn that girl's got a fat ass you know or like yeah we connected over bmx me and adam and then whoever else it was like whoever else i ran into or like befriended was just because we were like like-minded we had the same interests it's the same friend group yeah wasn't like uh no i was gonna say any time
Starting point is 00:24:42 that i've ever had an encounter where it was not because we were compatible or had similar traits and it was because somebody wanted something none of those lasted no there's not one of those guys or girls like in my life that came in with a motive you know interior automate or interior motives always you know present themselves in funny ways and i feel like you know no matter how long you keep somebody around that will always present itself in the most inopportune way there's there's never been like a subtle classy way for somebody to ask you for something like that's just out of their means or like outside the boundaries of what's comfortable it's always just obnoxiously god you're at a wrong time and you're you know
Starting point is 00:25:19 hopefully that makes most people be like you know what that's that that ain't the kind of guys i want to have around me yeah facts what was. What was it like gambling with Logan Paul? Logan Paul's cool, man. Actually, you know what? That was one of my cooler experiences, forming the friendship I have with him. So being like an outsider to social media at the time, right? When I became friends with him,
Starting point is 00:25:40 it was also with Mike Malak and Ryan Garcia. I got a call from another one of the guys that was hired to uh market for this for the coin right and he calls me and i answer and i'm like hey what's up and he goes hey i got someone else on the line his name is mike my i put him i was like if you're calling me for it it's probably something right you know puts it through and he goes hey what's up my name is mike i'm like what's up he goes hey i like to film a lot of videos and stuff i do youtube and i want to come to ve of videos and stuff. I do YouTube, and I want to come to Vegas, and I think
Starting point is 00:26:08 from what I've heard, that you sound like the guy in Vegas. We could have a good time together. I'll take care of everything. I'm like, okay. Me and this guy named Mike had formed a friendship over the phone. It turns out it was Mike Malak, and I never asked. Even if he told me what his last name was. Wouldn't have fucking known.
Starting point is 00:26:23 I didn't know who it was. Doesn't matter, yeah so we formed this friendship like over like a year or something on the phone just like vibing you know just knowing each other yeah then he says hey like i think uh we are we're all gonna come out to vegas can we film some gambling and i said sure and i ended up winning a million dollars on camera for logan mike and ryan right and the thing was that was the first time i met logan and he was by far the quietest guy in the room so when i found out like logan paul is coming in my head i'm like oh it's probably gonna be like maybe like a little goofy or egomaniac he'll be loud but you know something i had this like image in my head yeah the image he portrays online nah nah nah he is the quietest most humble like nicest guy like he don't even
Starting point is 00:27:06 want to be on camera the only time he's on camera is like when he kind of has who the fuck wants attention when all they get 24 7 is attention yeah bro it's like saying i'll give you pizza unlimited unlimited pizza non-stop and the one day off that you get you think you're gonna go get fucking pizza no you're gonna go smack a mcchicken or something bro like yeah it that's exactly what goes back to what we talked about when we were first sitting down when all eyes are on you there is nothing more priceless than having your privacy or having the ability to just hang out with the boys and be one of the guys instead of being that guy you're just one of the guys and it's it's a crazy trade-off because i feel like people don't really understand that the price of fame really comes with a lot of
Starting point is 00:27:53 dude a lot of baggage it's a lot of it's difficult and it's and again i feel like tapping back onto the tattoo topic for you i feel like that just makes you instantly more recognizable. So like for issues at the casino or, you know, for running into people, it's almost unavoidable. Like talk us through, I want to dive into the whole casino aspect. And, and I mean, if you're cool with it, I want to know, you know, tell us some of the signs that you can tell that when the casinos are kind of tipping the sides more towards the house. All right. So there's a lot of ways you can tell. The first is you can just go online and pull up like a probability chart for gambling. Like these are public information.
Starting point is 00:28:30 And you'll get a rough idea, the realistic probability of how many hands in a row you're going to win and how many you're going to lose. And if you can – this, I don't know, is so readily available, but if you're any good with math, you can take the time and do it. You can also create the mathematics behind what hands are likely to win for how long. Like, for example. This is crazy. If you're dealt, imagine, pretend for this. Like, let's say you created like a software that would tell you this, right? And you dealt yourself in blackjack in 18, 10 hands in a row.
Starting point is 00:29:02 And then said dealer, you know, random hands. And you'll figure out how many times realistically they should win and how many times they should lose. And then you can say, when you're playing in real time at a casino, if you're dealt 18, let's say five times in a shoe, and you've lost all five, but you already know from testing the theory. That's hella true, though.
Starting point is 00:29:20 That you were only supposed to lose two of those. Damn. Then you're in a mathematical improbability. impossibility but you can go further you can deal yourself an 18 you know as many times as you want in the software and you can give the dealer a 16 every one of those times and it'll tell you how many times you're gonna win probably like 90 you'll win 18 versus dealer 16 but then you go play real and you'll see that a dealer's got a six out. Two, three, ace. And you're like, what the fuck? Where are these coming from?
Starting point is 00:29:48 Every time. Where are these coming from? They're true mathematical probabilities. Some are verging on the border of impossibilities. Is there a way to tip the probabilities in your favor? There are some tricks you can do. Okay. Nothing will hold water
Starting point is 00:30:03 if you cannot be aware that this is happening if you interesting if you don't even have the understanding of what's happening in front of your face to your money then there's nothing you can do to protect from it or change from it because you don't even know what's happening damn i've been smoking a weed for this one today what's it like when you get banned you get a letter in the mail from the casino do they come to your no no hold on hold on talk us through how you get banned and then go through the process of how that's the answer is almost the same every single time has been different because of the reason i'm getting banned okay so people what bullshit did they tell you how about that that's
Starting point is 00:30:38 exactly there we go that's exactly i want to hear the real shit i've heard every tell me i've heard everything we don't we don't even have to call all the casinos out i don't want to hear the real shit i've heard every tell me i've heard everything we don't we don't even have to call all the casinos out i don't want to name names but i i'm fuck sued bro i'm i'm i'm this is for pure uh educational purposes i'm i'm i'm genuinely fascinated by this because again we we've talked outside and and you know from my understandings there there's always a level of you know a facade that the casinos have to put up. And I get that. But I feel like the second that they know that you know, that they know that you know what's going on, it's over.
Starting point is 00:31:16 It's a different game. Right. When you are doing something questionable or questionably unethical or immoral to the casino you know what you're doing if the casino catches you they tell you to leave if you're counting cards they'll either cap your limb they'll cap your bets you have to flat bet or they tell you to leave this is like an obvious one right if you're cheating you go to prison for five years of course obvious you know if you're abusing comps they'll stop comping you or just tell you they can't right exactly what happened with me was really unique because out of the four people that have ever been in my scenario none of them happened
Starting point is 00:31:49 from the method that i did it right so you have the standard stories like phil and kelly and and i forget the other guy and you know they were pushing some boundaries and winning by creating a loophole basically right but their loophole was identified and explained it was not a secret but mine has always remained um private you know i've never shared the information so they couldn't understand how you were getting away how i was getting away with it okay so a lot of casinos had a lot of opinions you know they have full teams you know that are trying to decipher what you've got going on. Yeah, and so when they couldn't...
Starting point is 00:32:27 Interesting. Some of them said, he's just lucky. Keep him around because eventually the luck's going to run out. Other ones said, we don't even care. We need to stop the hemorrhaging. Get him out now. So they all independently barred me at different times, and they all gave me a different reason.
Starting point is 00:32:45 I'll tell you some of the reasons. The Cosmo, before MGM bought it, banned me because they said I touched the forks in the Talent Club high limit cafe. Not a joke. Not a joke. I'm sorry. Say that one more time. In the Talent Club. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:00 The super high limit on the second floor. Very familiar. There's a lounge in there where you can eat. Right by the the elevator you make a right and it's in the corner my favorite my favorite in the cafe they have like buffet style food yeah and they have the fork spread out on a tray and you take the fork and help yourself they said i touched more forks than i needed they said i only needed one fork and i touched more than one fork this is not a joke uh park mgm was an interesting one i was with another small group of professional poker players we caught them cheating red-handed i had an executive come
Starting point is 00:33:31 down and i said to the executive space i caught you cheating here's the proof wait wait wait wait wait wait you caught the casino cheating i catch them a lot so a lot of the reasons for my bans was catch exposing i've never heard of somebody be like no no no i wasn't cheating they were cheating and then i got kicked out because they were cheating yeah tell me tell all right i want to hear this now tell me how they were cheating this was like my first big x i caught you yeah i caught you moment they had a park mgm they changed the felt they changed the tables they changed the shoe machine they changed the shuffler and they changed the monitor full new setups in the baccarat room right in the in the nomad portion
Starting point is 00:34:08 sure not that they have to inform the players that they changed anything but i just didn't know i was not informed so i show up to play and i'm with some uh poker player friends and we sit down and i'm confused there's like data i've never seen. This is the thing. I might have played more Baccarat than almost any other Baccarat player. I played probably more locations, hands. I've seen it all. I did not ever see in my life what was on their Baccarat screen. I said to the dealer, who I'm very friendly with, for the record, almost every, at this time, a lot of the executives at Park, the dealers, the pit bosses are like personal friends of mine. I've slept with most of the females and the males have come to all my parties. We go out to dinner.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Like we know each other, you know? So I said to the dealer who I'm friends with, I says, what is this portion of the data mean? She goes, I have no idea. I said to the dealer next door, I said, what does this mean? She goes, I don't know. I said, floor, please tell me what this means. The floor says, to be honest, they does this mean she goes i don't know i said floor please tell me what this means the floor says to be honest they just put this in they didn't explain it none of us know what this means so okay i'll figure it out i played a first hand i bet whatever i bet i won so in the poker poker friends they all followed my bets we
Starting point is 00:35:18 won the first hand of course we won no problem second comes. I believe I bet player and bank came natural nine. I forget the exact cards, but imagine the cards came five, four, natural nine. We lost. Could we bet player? No big deal. Lost a hand. Right. So I go to look at the monitor to work on my next hand, and it's displaying the cards of the previous hand.
Starting point is 00:35:42 And it says bank one, natural nine, but the cards displayed are seven deuce. But the cards on the felt are five, says bank one natural nine but the cards displayed are seven deuce but the cards on the felt are five four right i said hold on i said how is this machine gonna know bank one with a natural nine unsure how it won and then make up whatever data it wants just to to tell this right to tell the right story i said hold on i said you guys are cheating i said because if you're gonna make up data, that means you're making up all of the data and will continue to make up all the data. And you will misguide me on every bet I'm going to make, assuming my bets are judged on the data on the screen. They said, we don't know what to tell you. I said, don't touch anything at all.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Leave the cards. Call an executive. The executive came down, one that also I used to be very personally close with. I said, I caught you guys cheating. And they said, oh, yeah. And I said, yeah and i said yeah they said how i said look and look and they go you have 30 minutes for you and all your friends to pack your bags and get out get the fuck out of here friend of mine and i said okay i'm gonna figure this thing out so we pack our bags and we leave i posted on instagram that this had happened and I explained it. I tagged the casino like I always do, right?
Starting point is 00:36:48 What's up? You know, you did it. You know what you did. I saw them, the casino's Instagram account, watch my story, tagging them, calling them out for cheating. So I screenshot it. You know, you could see your viewers. I screenshot it. I circled it.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I posted that. I tagged them again and I said, I see you seeing me see you. I got a call like something like that day or the next day and said, you're banned for six months. I said, why? They said, well, you scared the dealers. They said. You were threatening the dealers.
Starting point is 00:37:15 They said you were threatening the dealers, and you're yelling, and you're throwing, and you're screaming, and everybody's scared. I said, I don't think. You were being belligerent. I said, I don't think so because I slept with that dealer last night. She didn't seem too scared, you know. And they go, no, no, it's an issue. You're banned for six months. Well, that six months has been almost three years now.
Starting point is 00:37:27 And every time the six-month mark comes, I say, what's good? They go, oh, this is a crazy story. They go, you went to valet so you can go to the stadium and you fought with the valet driver. I said, are you sure? Because I'm in California right now. They go, yeah, we're sure. I said, okay, I'm going to come to Vegas tonight. We'll figure this out.
Starting point is 00:37:44 I get to Vegas. I went up to the head of la i said hey there's a story that i fought with you earlier today about parking here for the stadium and i filmed it i said do you mind saying to the camera like tell me what happened he goes i didn't see you today that never happened i don't know why they're saying that so they're staging these incidents to keep crazy to keep justifying banning me. That's nuts. Let's see, who else? I had Caesars ban me because the first time they banned me, I made a comment that I was being judged for
Starting point is 00:38:15 my tattoos. So they thought that they were going to have a lawsuit. So they said, we're scared of a lawsuit. We don't want you on property until we figure it out. But it was all made up. It was garbage. They can just say whatever. They do say whatever.
Starting point is 00:38:31 They can because they're their own governing – you know what I'm saying? None of them want to face reality. I'll tell you – let me go through it. Ready? So Cosmo for touching too many forks. Park for catching them cheating and posting about it. MGM for no reason. I think they said I made a mess in the villa or something like that. But the real story was the president of MGM International, his name is Justin Maniker,
Starting point is 00:38:52 and his right-hand man is Angelo. And Angelo got sent down. I deposited $9.5 million at MGM Grand. And I got tipped off that he was going to come and threaten me and try to strong-arm me. And I got tipped off from somebody. Strong-arm me for what? So this is what happened. So I get this phone call.
Starting point is 00:39:08 I just sent $9.5 million to MGM Grand. I get a phone call. Hey, they're going to come, and they're going to threaten you. They're going to try to extort you, and they're going to try to keep the $9.5 million. Well, I happen to be with a lot of other celebrities. We're all enjoying the day. So there's a lot of videos happening. People are video enjoying the day. There's a lot of videos happening. People are videoing everybody.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Influencers are famous. They video. I said to one of the cameramen, I said, I just got tipped off when and where I'm about to get threatened. Why don't you set up a camera and mic me up? I went to this meeting mic'd up and this guy was threatening me.
Starting point is 00:39:39 He said all types of crazy stuff. I posted some of that video. I did have to blur his face and his name. I had to follow the law. I followed followed the law, and I made a post, and it's on my page, and you can look and see it. And they did all types of crazy things, and they banned me following that video. Did you get your money out? So they tried to keep a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:39:59 I had to get my lawyer involved, and they ended up paying me the right amount. But they did try to keep a million dollars. But I did get paid. I will dollars yeah but i did get paid i will say that i did get paid um resorts world banned me uh because i i was uh it was like me rodway for uh and some other industry people we threw like a poker game in one of the villas and then afterwards we went to go play blackjack playing blackjack i caught them cheating and we were recording and i caught them on camera cheating i also then filmed i've been saying this from the beginning that these casinos jam my wi-fi and again like same like similar to like the crypto what have you like people were very skeptical right and i was like
Starting point is 00:40:35 it's okay like i like i know what's good you know and i had filmed that same day like that same trip uh resorts world jamming my wi-fi filmed it and i made a few posts of all these videos them jamming them cheating us on the table all this and it got like 15 million views like in 24 hours and that night uh fora had gotten barred from resorts world and that morning uh security came and said i had to go and nobody ever gave me a reason they just said if you ever come back you're leaving in handcuffs but i, it's obvious what the reason was. You know, I caught them on camera cheating and I posted the video. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Yeah. I mean, all of these casinos. God damn. The only casino that ever told me the truth to my face was the win. The win told me outright. They said, you're too good and we can't have you here. And I was with like, I don't know, 30 or something people, a lot of pro poker players. That was like a really epic moment.
Starting point is 00:41:25 It was actually worth celebrating. Shout out the win for being real. Yeah, for keeping it real. Shout out the win. And I've never disrespected the win. I've never thrown shade at the win. I've never done anything. Keep it 100, you get 100.
Starting point is 00:41:35 That's it. All these other casinos, all they had to do was be nice to me. They just had to be nice and I would have let them live in peace. I'm not even kidding. The day they came to me and said, hey, Mick, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:41:49 You're winning too much here. This is just not good business for us we want you to leave i would have shook their hand and said no problem i'll take it somewhere else yeah you know wow that's crazy they pull all these shiesty moves so we gotta make tell them tell them where they can find you how can they follow up because i i want to go watch these fucking videos so tell them what's up my instagram my tikt, and YouTube is all the same. It's at Dirty Goth Boy. And boy spelled B-O-Y. So it's at Dirty Goth Boy. All right.
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