Digital Social Hour - The Mindset That Builds Unstoppable Entrepreneurs | Shawn Meaike DSH #1212

Episode Date: March 1, 2025

Discover the mindset that fuels successful entrepreneurs and builds unstoppable momentum! 💡 In this episode of the Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly brings you a high-energy conversation packed with valuable insights on resilience, personal growth, and entrepreneurial success. From overcoming challenges on the football field to navigating the highs and lows of business,  Shawn dives into the habits, lessons, and mindset shifts that turn dreams into reality. 🏆 Tune in now to hear compelling stories about persistence, leadership, and the power of consistent hard work. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur, a seasoned business leader, or just looking for inspiration, this episode is for you. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and join the conversation today! 🚀 Don't miss out! CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:38 - Shawn’s Experience at the Inauguration 04:38 - Trump's Media Influence 06:43 - Shawn’s Journey as a Social Worker 08:48 - Benefits of Working Out 09:42 - Emotional Control Techniques 11:35 - The Case for Baseball 14:58 - Mental Game in Sports 17:59 - Coaching Strategies 22:00 - Keys to Winning 23:15 - Hard Work vs. Talent 27:35 - Importance of Repetition 30:37 - Passion for Partying 33:48 - Love for Sales 34:25 - Supporting Your Mother 38:10 - Audience Reach Today 38:53 - Audience Reach in the Past 40:54 - Historical Audience Reach 44:51 - Greatest Coach of All Time 48:36 - Super Bowl Predictions 49:43 - Will Mahomes Surpass Brady? 53:02 - Where to Connect with Shawn APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Shawn Meaike  https://www.instagram.com/shawnmeaike LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #mindsetmentor #businesscoach #selfimprovement #motivation #entrepreneuriallearninginitiative

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as they started to mature and stuff. But I mean, football, dude, that's a bloodbath. I got knocked around everywhere. All right, guys, Sean Mike is back. Same name as me. Let's do this. 100%, man. Yes, sir. Thanks for having me.

Was it part two or part three? Part three, bro. Let's go. Yeah. Little three-peat. Little three-peat, dude. Nothing wrong with a three-peat. What's new?

You just went to the inauguration, right? I had never been to one. How was that? You know, it's funny because it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable to see you were there, right? I didn't. I left the day before. Okay, so you pull up and you can't get within a mile because security and everything,

and I'm thinking to myself, how many people can be waiting outside because it's really freaking cold? Yeah. And to see tens of thousands of people waiting in line, and then you start talking to them, because that was really cool. You're waiting in line and you're doing that,

and we didn't have to wait in line, we were able to go around and get in, it was cool. But inside it was just like, it was an excitement. I think I liked it, no matter who's there, who believes in what, I'm a big fan of, I like discussions, so I'd have gone no matter who. You know, I- Oh, you would have went if Kamala won?

Hell yeah. There's some people like, you would have gone, I'm like, dude, I like experiencing things. I don't have to be, and you understand, while I voted for Trump, I'm all about what's happening in the country, I'm all about where we're going, I'm an entrepreneur, all that,

would I have gone to celebrate it? But I like to see, I like to take all that shit in. I wanna hear what people say. I'm not gonna scream and yell and argue with them all day long, but I appreciate different opinions. What I don't appreciate is people saying, I can't have what people say. I'm not going to scream and yell and argue with them all day long, but I appreciate different opinions. What I don't appreciate is people saying, I can't have a different opinion because I appreciate your different opinion. I want you to appreciate mine.

Yeah. So I had never gone and I was to go to experience either way. Now, in fairness, I knew Trump was going to win for a while now, and I didn't know he was going to win in a landslide, but I knew he was going to win. So it made it probably easier for me to want to go. And obviously, I was a hell of a lot more excited to go there. Oh, yeah. You know, the energy there was mad. Oh my God, the people, but just to listen to the people. You know, I was talking to a guy,

and I said, bro, why are you so excited? And he's like, this is gonna be the hardest four years of my life. And I said, why? And he said, I've always been proud to be an American, and I felt like I was being told that I shouldn't be proud to be an American. And he's like, and I'm not a very confrontational person.

He's like, so I just really, just kind of didn't say anything for four years. And he's like, what about you? I'm like, I'm pretty confrontational, and I don't give a shit, and I don't seek it out, but I'm just like, I believe what I believe in, and I'm gonna have my opinion either way. But I thought, I didn't experience what he experienced.

It didn't affect me like that for four years. I was like, dude, I'm still gonna live my life and talk about what I wanna talk about, but he felt like he just couldn't. You know, it's funny, going to the DC airport and you're like, how many people had all their Trump gear on, but if this was a year ago, try to go in any of those cities,

DC, try to be in New York. Dude, you find somebody walking with a MAGA hat on, people would be screaming out of y'all and videotaping it. So it was different, and we were supposed to be free, and I just think it's a, I think everything that we have always celebrated about America is back.

I'm excited. Yeah, the times have changed. But like you said, a lot of it's perspective, dude. Like even though it was those four years under Biden and Kamala, I didn't really get affected the way I see it. I was still doing my thing. Me too.

But you realize how many people got affected. I think that's what I felt. Like, you know, and also, you know, they worked their job. They're really, really, really proud of the country they live in. They're trying to raise some kids. And I also don't have any school-aged kids. And I didn't realize that either.

When you start talking to some of these parents, and they're like, I'm like, you know what? That didn't affect me. My kids are all grown. So to have to deal with that in the school system, I wasn't dealing with talking to my kids about a guy playing on my daughter's team. That was never a conversation.

Or who goes to what bathroom? I never had to experience that. And had I had to, I think it would've affected me. It really gave me some perspective there too. Yeah, I could see you as a parent standing on, I know you're big on sports too. You would definitely speak out against that. Let me be clear.

If some dude was competing against my daughter, the dude that helped make that person would be the dude I'd be talking to. Like, I'm not mad at you, I love you, I want everybody to be okay. But your kid is not gonna be, I wouldn't let my son go do that. I would definitely mad at you. I love you. I want everybody to be okay. But your kid is not gonna be, I wouldn't let my son go do that. I would definitely have stood up.

That's for damn sure. They put an end to that stuff, right? Yeah. He's signed a lot of orders already. 100%. He released the JFK stuff, I think today. It's gonna be interesting. Can't wait to read that tonight in bed.

Yeah. That's gonna be content for the week, you know? That'll be a lot of content for you. Yeah, you never run out of content with Trump in office. No, he's a machine. He's polarizing, so there's always gonna be content for the week, you know? That'll be a lot of content for you. You never run out of content with Trump in office. No, he's a machine. He's polarizing, so there's always gonna be debate around him. Yes, he is, and I think that was the thing,

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Now all of a sudden it's like, no, I'm good. And it's like, well, you were so upset before and you hated him so bad. But now now my opinion of people is my opinion. Just because I didn't vote for Biden, I didn't go, man, I'm excited. I was like, kind of what you said. Dude, I'm gonna live my life. And that's part of just being a businessman or businesswoman is you're in control of your own shit.

It's the government, whatever. They're gonna come up with things. Were there things I had to navigate for years? Absolutely, but you had to navigate them. It was, what are you gonna do? Like, that's an immovable force, now what can you do? Don't beat your head against an immovable force, that's when you quit things.

Can't go anywhere. Facts, it's that victim mindset, right? Because obviously stuff's gonna pop up. How you choose to react to it. And that's where a lot of people fold, I think. Man, it's sad actually, because at some point in time in your life, you just gotta stand up.

And just sometimes it's taking an ass kicking. And then getting back up and going like, that sucked, let me figure it out. Most everybody wants to avoid that their entire lives. And then, I don't know, man, I meet a lot of folks that are in different phase of their lives, in their 70s, 80s and later, and you're like, if they've not been through anything, man,

sometimes you're like, how much did you experience? And it's kind of sad. So I think if they could go back and stand up at the times, whatever the confrontation was, the fight, the difficulty, and not just become the victim, I think they'd probably change it. The pain of regret seems pretty nasty. Yeah, because you talked to a lot of elderly

in your space, obviously. Yeah, man, I did it as a social worker and I did it on a sale on life insurance. But I met with a lot of folks as a social worker and me and your guy out there were just talking, he's like, I didn't realize how much wisdom I was gonna get from people in this space because he deals a lot of elderly folks in his business, and it's true, man.

They've been through a lot, good, bad, or indifferent. And they're usually in a phase in their lives where they're done front and they're lying. They're just kinda, they're not pretending to be anything, they're not. They're just like, here's what I've done in my life, here's what I would probably do differently, here's where I'm at, and a lot of them, I think,

if they could have chosen to continue along that path it would have been harder, I think they would have. Yeah chosen to continue along that path, it would have been harder. I think they would have. Yeah, that's cool though, to have that no regrets mentality at a younger age, right? It's like bliss, bro. It's the greatest thing in the world. You're gonna make mistakes,

but you've done everything you can do, and you don't back down from shit. You never take a step backwards. I think that's the, yeah, man. I think that's a, you know, I was an old football coach, and that's the, yeah man, I think that's a, you know I used to have an old football coach and that's why I love, you know, that's why, like, here's my linebackers coach.

And he said the only time you're wrong is when you're going backwards. Move laterally, move forwards, your job ain't that hard, we ain't letting you cover nobody down the field, you ain't that fast, just hit this person. You know, but don't go backwards. I love that. Simple advice, but you could apply that to life, right?

Not just football. That's why I like sports a lot. Because it parallels life. 100%, sports, poker, there's a lot. I was a distance runner and that mindset that I got from distance running to be able to endure running five, 10 miles a day, I mean, I use that every day at this point.

Of course you do, dude. And how you feel with doing it, getting through it, the sense of accomplishment. That's the thing about working out, people are like, yeah, dude, I just like doing something every morning that I don't necessarily love to do. Like, I don't mind doing it,

but I don't wake up and like jump up and down. If I could wake up and do something business related that has an awesome result, or wake up and work out for an hour and a half, I'd rather do the business deal. But I start by doing this, I don't really wanna do it, and then I get through it,

and then I feel on top of the mother effing world, and then I go conquer business deal. But I start by doing this, I don't really wanna do it, and then I get through it, and then I feel on top of the mother effing world, and then I go conquer everything else. Like it's just that, like you said, in that competitive nature, you don't ever wanna lose it. I love it, man. So that's non-negotiable for you, working out every day? Every day.

Wow. It's more emotionally, too, but seven days a week. Damn, no days off. No, you wonder why, first of all, I'm 52. You know what I mean? I'm just saying, like, you get to be, you in your 20s, you can take days off. In your 30s, you can take. You know what I mean? I'm just saying, you get to be, you in your 20s, you can take days off.

In your 30s, you can take, you know, I read something a long time ago, it said at 35, everything starts to slow down and reverse up a little bit. And I don't know if it's psychological or not, but I got to the point at 35 and I was like, man, it does, it changes. So for me, sometimes something happens

that I'm on a plane earlier doing something else and maybe I take a day off, but I was sitting there talking to Dave Goggins about that one day and he was like, he's like, I don't take any days off because life might give me a time to take a day off. And I'm like, okay, I'm not a plane earlier doing something else and maybe I'll take a day off. But I was sitting there talking to Dave Goggins about that one day and he was like, he's like, I don't take any days off because life might give me a time to take a day off. And I'm like, okay, I'm not taking days off either. And if that fool can run 100 miles with broken legs,

I can go work out if I'm sore, you know, so every day. And it makes me feel just emotionally. It's probably the, that's probably the bigger battle in the physical. I want to be healthy, but emotionally, my mind is jacked up if it's a couple of days in a row that I don't go work out. Do you feel like you have good control over your emotions for the most part?

Yes. That's important, right? Very. Yeah, a lot of young guys do not have control. I see it in basketball and pick up, they just lose their shit. You know, and then everybody owns you. You know, a man in control of his emotions is dangerous

in a good way. You know, when I lose my, when I'm frustrated or I'm angry, I'm like, dude, I intentionally didn't lose myself. I wanted to make a point to about where I was at, but why would I ever let you get inside my head and control my emotions? You lose control of your emotions when you give somebody else the keys.

You don't take the keys yourself and turn on and jack it up. You're like, here are the keys. You said something, I missed a shot, I didn't do something. Also, it's lack of accountability. You lose your emotions. Talk about playing ball. I coached basketball for years.

I'm like, dude, why are you mad? You missed the shot. Like, why, what do you, you missed the shot. You did. I'm fucking mad at them for it. Who cares? You don't even know who they are. That guy in the stands, he never played either.

What do you care? And that guy that you're talking to is better than you. So now you need to learn, that was our deal, try to get in people's heads. That's what I loved about basketball. That's what I love, coaching basketball. Because these kids were older, they're all, you know, 16, 17, 18, 19, you're playing travel ball, you're coaching.

Basketball coaching is unlike anything else because you're in the game. I'm here and you're there, you're a player. Like I'm this close to you on the other team. That doesn't happen in baseball, you're in a dugout. You're in your team, but you're not near their team. In a football, you're on your own sidelines, unless some dude comes on your sideline on occasion,

and he's got a helmet on, nobody can hear what anybody's saying, but basketball, I can be walking out, you can be warming up, and I'm like, why are you shooting that? I'm like, four, stop shooting that, you're never gonna make it. And they're talking shit to me. I'm like, I don't care, I ain't even playing.

Keep shooting, let him shoot, let him shoot all day long. But also I wanted them to be mad at me over the kids I had because the kids I had were sometimes a little bit intimidated with the groups I went into and how big the group was, the fans, the audience, how rowdy it is. Basketball is unlike anything else. It's my favorite sport.

Yeah, and I couldn't know less about it. I know so much about football and baseball. I know I learned about basketball, but dude, it motivated me because of just the environment and how real it is. The shit talking resembled life to me. Because in baseball, you're not even supposed to talk shit. Like it's like somehow it's a violation of the game

or the rules. Yeah, I mean, it was an article a long time ago. How's that kid's name now? I forget with the- Oh, Trevor Bauer? No, not Bauer, he's a trip. The kid is with the, he's with the Phillies now, the left-handed hitter, I'll forget.

I'll remember later, I'm thinking about it. But he was on sports, I think it was ESPN Magazine, something, and they said, what is your biggest issue? Because people are gonna stop watching baseball, it's boring. He said, I take my bat, flip it three, four times after I hit a home run, Harper, Bryce Harper. And you're like, he's like, everybody's mad at me.

He's like, dude, that's entertaining. And also I'm excited, I did something that's amazing. I hit a ball that was going 98 miles an hour that moved nine inches, spinning like a top, and I smoked it and hit it 400 feet. Why should I not be excited? So it's discouraged, it's like an old school, like you don't do that.

It's like, dude, that was 100 years ago. Like we don't do that in anything else in life. We don't go like, well, 100 years ago in business you didn't do that. Like, dude, nobody's watching, nobody cares. You know, and even the NBA, like you said, with the basketball, dude, like don't, you know, that whole flopping and this and that, like be accountable.

100%, I agree. The NBA's ratings are at an all time low this year. It's because they're giving technical fouls for just talking shit. Dude, how old are you? 27. Okay, so have you watched clips of like the Pistons and all them back in the day?

I've seen clips, yeah. Okay, so I grew up watching that. Like you were going to games and looked like Jordan was getting like literally physically assaulted. Punch, I mean, brutal. But back then you didn't like, that was just the way you played.

And you watched Bill Lambeer like jump up and elbow people in the mother of the head, you know, and spit at each other and cut. And you're like, dude, it was, first of all, you knew they cared. That's the other thing I think that's happened with all this, all these, all this AU shit is everybody's everybody's friend.

You know, like when we grew up, we played at a high school, you were at a different high school, we competed. You went to college, I went to college, we competed. We never played in the same team. Like, if it was an all-star team, it was like one game. But we didn't leave our high school team, we played with our high school teammates over the summer. Then went, but now it's like with all these travel,

everybody knows everybody. So then all of a sudden you get here and it's like, well I played with him and I played, well dude, you're on our team now. It don't matter these travel, everybody knows everybody. So then all of a sudden you get here and it's like, well, I played with him and I played, well, dude, you're on our team now. It don't matter if you don't care if that's your best friend or your biological brother, he ain't on our team. And it's like, you know, and you're right, who doesn't wanna see people talking shit?

It's theater, people are excited. And most of the people don't even know what's happening in the basketball court anyway. They're eating their hot dog, watching popcorn, and they wanna be entertained. You give them popcorn, you yank out the entertainment. Of course people aren't gonna show up. Yeah, it's lost that physical nature.

And I think other sports, you should be allowed to talk because I used to love tennis, but now you get penalized for talking in tennis. Same with chess, same with baseball. Same with chess? Yeah, you can't talk during chess. Really? And I love chess because when I play with my friends,

I'm talking shit, I'm getting in their head. Like you said, it's a mental game too. You're not allowed to say anything. Can't say anything or you get disqualified. For real? Yeah, for chess. Like you should be allowed to try to get into people's head. You know, it's a sport, it's competition.

You know, the physical nature of the sport is one side of the game, but the mental side, like you said, with basketball, it's really evident. Cause you see these guys warming up pregame, they don't miss a shot, not one shot. And then you see side of the game, but the mental side, like you said, with basketball, it's really evident. Because you see these guys warming up pregame, they don't miss a shot. Not one shot. And then you see them in the game that can't make a free throw.

Well, that's the other thing too, you know, it's funny because, you know, we get tech or something late, and one time a guy said to me, why don't you ever let my son shoot the technical fouls? He's the best free throw shooter on the team. And I said, no, your son's the best free throw shooter on the team when the game's not in the line.

And he is. If we're up 20, down 20, he's gonna make both of them. And if the crowd's okay, but in a hostile environment, I'll let this kid shoot. He's 15% lower than your kid on a, but when the game's in line, he don't change at all. He actually does a little bit better. He wants me, it's like you hand the ball and you look at the kid's eyes

and you're like, nope, nope, nope. And then there's that one kid going, give me the fucking ball. Like I want the ball. Same with pitching, baseball. You go into the bullpen, you're like, who the hell? This kid's dying to get in. Sometimes you're like, hey bro, you pitched way too much

and you're always excited and you're not as good as everybody else. But a lot of times you're like, oh, he wants in. That's the thing in life, the guy or girl that lot of times you're like, oh, he wants in. That's the thing in life, the guy or girl that just wants in all the time, dude, I want in. Like, who's in? I'm in.

What are we doing? Don't even know I'm in. Got any volunteers? I'm in. You know, we did this little reality show, it was great. One of the first deals was you had to like volunteer. You know what you're volunteering for. Ended up being, they were sparring,

but we had this kid come in, he's a UFC former champion, Charles Rolls a great guy, and he was boxing for a couple rounds. And again, he wasn't gonna murder anybody, but you had to land, or he lands the point, but it was the people that were like, I'm in. And you're like, dude, you don't even know what it is. I know that I'm in.

And then some of the kids, I'm like, dude, this is what's gonna happen. You don't want your first fight, he's not gonna hurt you, but you've never been in a fight in your life. It looks like you're terrified in your eyes. You don't have to do fight, he's not gonna hurt you, but you've never been in a fight in your life, it looks like you're terrified in your eyes, you don't have to do this, and I want you to be out this early. Like, okay, thanks.

And then some of them are like, oh, he's dumb enough to just do it. That's what I like, sometimes you look in people's eyes and there's nothing. Those are my guys. Like, what's going on in there? And like, I don't think anything is. Meaning he don't battle and give a shit about nothing.

He don't seem scared. I don't even know if he's smart enough to be scared. But he's in. He's on our team. Let's go. Those guys are dangerous. Yeah, you can tell a lot with the eyes. Body language. Crazy's good, dude, as long as you can contain it.

Yeah, that's the trick, right? You can contain it, because sometimes they'll go the other way. Oh, it's a bloodbath. Yeah, I'm sure you've had to fire some people. Plenty of them. Way too many. And it's tricky when they're top salespeople, too, I bet.

Yeah, it's hard, man, but you're crazy, can't hurt everybody else. And now there's levels, right? You're like, okay, he's, you know, talking about coaching basketball, sometimes my son would say, like, why is he still on the team? He scores 25 points a game.

He's playing the ass, I'm like, oh, he's playing the ass. But he scores 25 points a game. He's good. He's a good rebounder, handles the ball well. We're gonna hope that some of his other things change. If they don't, they don't. And if we have to do something eventually, we will. What if he scored two points a game?

I wouldn't have him on the team. That's not fair. No, that is fair. That's life. You only got eight kids. So don't be absent and expendable at the same time. So if you're having results, there's a little bit of leeway. But then there's a line.

You get too crazy and you're like, okay, do I gotta take him off team? Like he's gonna harm somebody. Agreed, yeah. Literally. You still coaching any sports? Or all your kids are grown up now, right? They're grown. Dude, I gotta take him off team. Like he's gonna harm somebody. Agreed, yeah. Literally. You still coaching any sports or all your kids are grown up now, right? They're grown. Dude, I miss it though, man.

Like I do, that's one thing I will tell you. I freaking miss immensely. Like I do some stuff at FAU football program in Boca. My buddy Chris Carter, I do a podcast with him and he's one of the coaches there and I'm involved with them. Just, I like just being involved, but I miss it. I miss coaching football, basketball, baseball.

It was some of the greatest times I've ever had to watch other people and be there for them, whether they're having their, I mean, dude, I can remember games that these guys played 15 years ago. I can vividly remember them. That's impressive, man. So you really were passionate about them. Yeah, man.

Where do you rank coaching in terms of difficulty? Because a lot of people say it's one of the toughest jobs on a professional level. Man, you mean being a professional coach or being? Professional coach, yeah. Well, first of all, it's insanely complicated. I rank at the difficulty levels off the charts, but also it's one of those things where,

let's even take college nowadays. Imagine being the guy in charge that makes a million a year, and then everybody else you're coaching makes more than you. And in today's world, and in that world a lot of times, it's like who's making the most?

Well damn, the dude there is making the least, and he's allegedly in charge. If a guy makes 20 million a year to play basketball, and the coach makes three million, the dude making 20 million's in charge. Coach is not, he's kind of in charge, but they ain't gonna, if they're partying with one of these two, it ain't gonna be this dude.

So he's gotta appease this guy, because this guy's in charge. And they go, he's a players coach. Well dude, almost all these professional coaches are nowadays. Like the Raiders just hired, what's his name back? Pete Carroll. Oh they did?

Yeah, they hired Pete Carroll. And you go like, what's it, well everybody says he's a players coach. Like Dolphins coach, Mike Medina. I didn't have this discussion with Chris Carter. He's, they did? Yeah, I hired Pete Carroll. And you go like, what's it? Well, everybody says the players coach. Like Dolphins coach, Mike McDaniel. I had this discussion with Chris Carter. He's like, he's great. I'm like, but you know what?

Players seem to like him. But then eventually you gotta win too. Now, if a fight breaks out or we're trying to get excited about something, I'm not calling Mike McDaniel to get me excited. If I'm a football player, I'm just not, I'm sorry. But he's smart, people like him. I think it's really complicated to juggle all of that.

I think amateur coaching is such bliss because dude, they wanna be there. They're not being paid. So we just coach in high school, some of the travel stuff we did. Man, and even some of the travel teams we had, dude, I paid their way. I liked hungry broke kids. But guess what? I paid their way. I liked hungry broke kids.

But guess what? I paid your way. So I'm like, hey, ma, he's on the team. As long as he shows up, competes. But if he don't play well, I want y'all to understand, I'm not paying for him. Like, I'm paying. Y'all ain't gotta pay nothing.

My single mom couldn't afford to put me in anything. But he's gotta now go ahead and do his job. Deliver, yeah. You gotta deliver. You know, as opposed to, you know, you're making X amount of dollars and everybody thinks you gotta play this kid or play that kid or, so I think it's really hard.

I don't know how some of these guys do it on the professional level because there's few of them that have a lot of respect. Look at Andy Reid, those guys love him. But if you talk about, talk to some of these guys in league, they love him because he knows their deal, he talks to them, he knows their life. He's just a connector. And people really love that about him. If you listen to these guys talk, that's why Mahomes, those guys they love him because he knows their deal, he talks to him, he knows their life, he's just a connector.

And people really love that about him, if you listen to these guys talk, it's why my homies, those guys all love him, like he's a connector, you know, and they know that he loves on him. He's been through shit in life too, with his sons. So I think that they have that as well, so when you hear them talk about it,

like no, Andy's been through it, man, and he's still here for us. So, but I think the rest of it's really hard, man. And also, I mean, you look at the national championship this year, I actually believe, you know, people argue with me, Ohio State, I think Dave was gonna get fired had he not made the championship. Think about that.

Like you could literally get in college playoffs, mate, but they're like, no, he didn't beat Michigan. He didn't win this game over here and he didn't do that. But he also is getting, you know, these guys are getting paid 20 million. And a lot of them are. So now all of a sudden you're on top of the world one day, you have one loss, you lose to Michigan,

it's like the world's over. One game, which didn't end up mean, I mean they won the national championship anyway. But it's just, dude, that's a very, you know, loveless business. They love you or they hate you, bro. And then everybody's at you anyway. And then these guys aren't playing.

I couldn't coach anything professionally. Not that I'm qualified to do. I just couldn't do it. And I think I couldn't do it because, you know, I just don't know how you win that battle. You got an owner worth as much as he is, she's worth. Then you got a general manager up in there somewhere that only have to deal with the players.

Then you got the coach who doesn't make near as much like he's much more expendable than they are. And if you go at it with the players and they got to pick between you and the players, they're gonna be the players, right? The good ones. So now that you're not in charge, how do you navigate a bunch of people, make them happy, challenge them a little bit, the professionals, make in-game decisions, think about the star players, how you don't piss him off, and then make sure that the relationship between that triangulation of you, the general manager, the owner, and then like what do you do when the owner's

like a Jerry Jones, when the owner's with the players anyway. You can't, you have no shot. Like everybody's like, is Deion gonna be coaching the Cowboys? I don't ever see how Jerry Jones ever sets his ego aside unless Deion come in, ever. You know what I mean? Cause he's Jerry Jones.

But imagine coaching, knowing that any one of those players call Jerry and be like, I don't like the way this is going down. I mean, you're literally just, you know. It's tough, man. It's gotta be tough. I think the average tenure is like one or two years at the pro level.

I wouldn't wanna do it, dude. I just, you know, I think for me, I think even when you coach, like even through high school, people always say, what did you enjoy the most? Middle school, high school, some of the collegiate stuff. But you get a certain age, dude, it was like, you just get really frustrated.

Because you're like, bro, you're not like, why are you acting like they're not, I used to look around and be like, where are all the scouts? What do you mean, coach? I'm like, where are they? Because you're walking around here, acting like you're on top of the motherfucking world. Who do you think you are?

Like, there's nobody here, bro. There's us, we're competing, we like you're on top of the motherfucking world, who do you think you are? Like there's nobody here, bro. There's us, we're competing, we like you, you're pretty good, just go out there and play the game. But who do you think you are and where do you think we are? Because that's a big part of it too, is being honest with people. Because nowadays, and I do think it's different, nowadays everybody's great, right?

You find a way to play somewhere, you have a distinct, everybody will let you play if you pay, and all of a sudden everybody's great, and they get down on the high school, and they're like, where's my kid gonna play? And I would meet with somewhere, you have a Disney, everybody will let you play if you pay, and all of a sudden everybody's great, and they get done with high school, and they're like, where's my kid gonna play? And I would meet with these, especially with baseball, and I'm like, I'll meet with you and talk to you about what their options are.

And I was scared sometimes, I'm like, why is he flying out there to that camp? Like, it's a paid camp. Well, he liked to go to school there, and I'm like, oh, go to school there, cool, because is he smart? He gets good grades? Yeah, I'll be like, oh, awesome.

He's in the baseball there, I'm like, that's a Division I because is he smart he gets good grades yeah I'm like oh awesome he's a baseball there I'm like that's a division one baseball program like well what are you saying I'm like your kid's a division five baseball player like he has no chance to play college baseball at any level why are you telling him that haven't you watched his like he didn't play in his high school team barely like but it's just like this idea of like let's just continue you're gonna When you watched his, like, he didn't play in his high school team, barely. But it's just like this idea of like,

let's just continue, you're gonna keep trying hard, Tommy. Tommy, you're not good. You're as bad as your dad was. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just go get a great degree. You played on this team, you're on your high school team, you got in a little bit, you know, but they lie to these kids and they set them off

into the world and it's like, there's a lot of kids that were anointed to be the next coming of everything when they're younger. Especially when they mature real fast. You know, I always tell people, be careful with the kids that go through puberty real young. Because they look really, really good. They peak young though. Yeah, they're monsters.

And all of a sudden it's like, bro, everybody else caught up to you, now can you play or not? And while they were doing this, their parents weren't just like taking them with a grain of salt, they're ready to get them drafted. They're 12.

Just take a breath. And that also makes the kids hate the game. They start hating it, because then their parents say you're this, they get older, they're not this, then they hate the game. I've seen that. Yeah, it's awful.

It's awful to do to kids. I saw it in basketball with kids that grew tall early. And then by the time high school ended, they hated it. They didn't want to hoop anymore. Well, why wouldn't they? And then you let your parents, they don't want to let their parents down

or whoever was believing them. And they're telling them what they're gonna do and where they're gonna go to college and they're looking at all these schools. And it's like, now listen, they can't, they're not who you said they were gonna be. You said they were gonna be that. They didn't say that.

Nobody else said that. You said they were gonna be that way. And there's a lot of people to lie to the kids just to get them to pay. Yeah, your kids should play by our team. It's 3,500 bucks for the summer and man, he's gonna be a great college baseball player. I'm like, he's not playing college baseball. But if you want to pay 3,500 bucks to have a great summer, do it,

but don't lie to the kid. Yeah, it's tough because they put all their eggs in that basket and then they realize they're not good enough in college. Well, it's sports. And their identity is wrapped up in it. They don't have an identity, right? Because it's all they got. And then it's that whole idea of, always like, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. That's a fucking lie. That's a bold faced lie in athletics. In business it's true.

You built what you built by working your ass off. That's true. But just because you work your ass off in a basketball court, baseball field, or football, dude, if you're not talented, that kid can work out once a year. He's gonna walk on the field, he runs a 40 and four, fucking four,

he jumps through the roof, he's strong, and you've been working out every day to work your footwork, your strength, your speed to cover him, and you still can't cover him, because God made him much more talented than you. He's eating Cinnabons, drinking what he wants to drink, laying on the couch, rolling off the couch and kicking your ass. Because sports, that's what's great once you leave the talent, when it's based on talent

and hard work, you gotta work hard once you have the talent to continue to grow. I totally get that. But what's great about being a businessman, working your job, being an entrepreneur, dude, it doesn't really take talent, which is what makes it great. Are you willing to learn or will you work hard? Facts. That's cool. So now everybody's level.

And if you win, you can beat anybody. Anybody. Doesn't matter. Yeah, I had no talent in business. No. But your reps, hey, your first podcast, when was it? Two years ago. Two years ago, very first one.

How much better are you today than two years ago? So much better, night and day. Night and day, like you wouldn't even recognize, if you watched the video, you'd be like, wow, not near as bad as you'll make it out to be, but so much better. How much more comfortable are you? So much, I couldn't even talk on the first one.

Correct. I was scared. People come in now, you can care less. You're eating homemade stuff from your fiance, we're having fun, we're sitting around. But the first couple, you're probably like, oh, he's coming in, and what am I gonna talk about? Super nervous, yeah. Grant Cardone came on the first time,

I almost shit myself. Yeah, and now you're like, you care less. If I was like, Trump's outside, you'd be like, when's he in, in half an hour? You don't care. No. Doesn't matter to you at all. You put the reps in, you do the work.

That's where confidence comes, right? Yes. Yeah, because I had a little confidence growing up, to be honest. Little. I was not confident at all. I think part of that was single mother. They didn't have that father figure.

And then sports helped me gain some confidence. So that's why I recommend, you know, play sports. 100%. You'll find yourself. 100%. And you don't have to be a professional athlete. You'll find yourself. You take those things that have helped you in business.

Same with me. All those things I learned throughout the years in the field, playing, coaching, I fall back on those in business when I don't know what to do. Like, all right, my coach John Ellis was the best coach I ever had. He was a successful businessman.

Cool, this shit happened in life. How do I deal with it? Boom, this is what I think he would have done. Cool, that's great. I remember he had to talk with me. And I was always trying to get as much out of everybody as I could. I knew the coaches were using me to be better,

so when I wanted to use them to get what they knew. Not just about sports, but about life. Because my old man wasn't around either. So I'm like, what can I get from them? What do they know? Coach, how'd you do that? I was a crazy question asker forever, ever. And never give a shit. No, I was lit and I was tiny. I was 97 pounds my asker forever, ever. And never, I'm gonna give a shit.

No, I was lit and I was tiny. I was 97 pounds my freshman year in high school. Wow, 97. I played football, basketball, baseball, I was 97 pounds. Holy crap. I graduated 195, I got 100 pounds in four years. Damn. But I graduated at 17,

so I was really young as a freshman. I didn't even think about going through puberty. And I was just like walking around, didn't even realize. I realized how small I was compared to them as they started to mature and stuff. But I mean, football, dude, that's a bloodbath. I got knocked around everywhere. But I was just kept getting up. And then I was like, eventually I'll get bigger or I won't.

And if I don't get bigger, I mean, ain't about nothing I can do at 97 pounds. You know, but I was like, I didn't give a shit. I could care less, hit me in the face, punch, but I was just not gonna back around. And a lot easier to get beaten up by a 200 pound senior when you're a freshman than refuse to fight. I'd take that A and A at a week. Really?

Like, what happened? I'm like, oh yeah, I almost had him. And like, dude, he beat the shit out of you. I was like, I almost had him, you know? But I mean, at least, and I think I just had my own issues, my own self-deprecating behaviors, my own I was gonna party and do all that, just to, so, you know, having that happen

and having that happen with somebody was just another way for me to punish myself for some of the trauma and shit I was going through. I feel, so you were big on partying in high school? I love partying. Really? What do you think caused that? I watched it growing up as much as I, my old man wasn't around whenever I saw him,

he was always partying and I still, much as he was never, I was like, he's still my father. So I still had this kind of weird, like, I want to be kind of like, I didn't know how, I knew it was messed up, but I really didn't know how messed up it was. And I mean, I was around a lot of that when I was real young, you know, drinking, drugs. And then when I was messed up, but I didn't know how messed up it was. And I mean, I was around a lot of that when I was real young,

you know, drinking drugs. And then when I was probably 13, my mom worked three jobs. So we were never. So I knew some of the older kids in my neighborhood where we live. And, you know, we started smoking weed. And they're like, you should sell it. And I was like, what do I get? And they told me.

So I was like, OK, here's an eighth, here's a quarter. How do I do this? Who's dying bag? Cool, got to do this. I make myself some what do I get? And they told me, so I was like, okay, here's an eighth, here's a quarter, how do I do this, here's a dime bag, cool, gotta do this, I make myself some money. I love smoking weed, I smoked weed every day from the age of 13 to probably 28, damn, every day. 15 years straight. Every day, ask my friends, every day.

Holy crap. But I love smoking weed, you know? And then problem with that was it led me to using coke, that led me to smoking crack, it was just, it was a, so yeah, I got sober at 28, but I loved partying. I think it just made me it made me it gave me the alter reality I wanted. I wanted a different situation. I don't want to live in some of the stuff I had going on. It gave me an edge. It made people look at me differently I thought and a lot of those kids that I played ball with really centered and really secure. So I lived like these two lives

where I played ball and I had my friends were athletes But I partied like crazy. Mm-hmm. And so I had like all these and back then there was all kinds of different crews They called them in clicks and different names they had for them all but I'm like I just kind of was in everything Yeah, you know, I was like, you know like him but like I get high with max don't mess with max Then well Kevin, he's my he's the my tail back and football team No, fuck like I just knew a lot of the different people. So I just kind of, I didn't feel comfortable. I felt comfortable playing ball when I was playing ball

with the guys on my team on the field. But once the game was over and they went back to their lives with mom, dad, dinners, two parents, I didn't know what to do. So I'm like, I'm gonna go over here and like party my ass off. I don't have anywhere to go. Like game gets over and their mom's dad's picking them up. They're my ass off. I don't really have anywhere to go. Like game gets over and their moms and dads pick them up

and they're giving them money. I don't have anybody to pick me up. Yeah, and I wasn't telling a girl, I mean, it was fine. But I would like get a ride home with somebody. My mom worked a lot. So it's not like she didn't wanna be in my games. My other just worked a ton. I don't think my mom went to football,

basketball and baseball. I don't think my mom went to, and I played basketball for two years in high school. I just wasn't, basketball didn't love me. I didn't love it, dude. So I only played it for two years in high school. I just wasn't, basketball didn't love me, I didn't love it, dude. So I only played it for two years. For four years of baseball, football, went to college to play baseball.

My mother, I bet, seen two games. That's it? From when I was a little kid. She was working. Wow. My mom worked her ass off. So, because she had to, she had to do everything to take care of us.

And then my dad, when he got older, he would fucking show up drunk and talk shit to me. Like he would like taunt me from the stands. But I hated it when he came. So then I think I just got to a point where like in college I was like, screw him, he seems to be excited. So I don't even want to play anymore since he's around. But yeah, man, so I think I would run,

like not run, but my game would get over. I'm like, let's go over here with these guys and get high. Find my buddies in the apartment complex I lived in and they weren't hard to find. Their moms weren't home, moms were working or their moms were partying. My mom worked, my mom was a, she was a drinker but she was a drug user, you know.

So you were living two lives. 100%. Wow, that probably helped you with sales because you got all these perspectives. Oh dude, I learned how to deal with all kinds of people. I mean all kinds of people, man. And all, everywhere, like just every background, where I grew up, and I was always very comfortable in any environment.

So it wasn't a lot that made me uncomfortable. Which is cool, because sometimes athletes are just so in their own bubble, right? That they're closed-minded to other perspectives. I see that with football players. Yeah, I wasn't, man. I think I was very, you know, and which was good. I had a lot of perspective from a lot of different people.

You know, so, and I was always moving in different is good, I had a lot of perspective from a lot of different people. And I was always moving in different groups, so that was good for me. And it sounds like you really wanted to provide for your mother, is that a big part of your workout there? Yeah, I'm providing for my mother, I didn't wanna be broke. So I'm gonna be okay, which I've been able to do,

it's been awesome, and I didn't wanna be broke. So I think, and I think you talked about identity earlier, I wasn't, like I was smart. Like I, no one thing was gonna be my identity. Like I loved playing sports. When I got done in college, I didn't freak me out. I was like, I'm gonna go to work. And then when I had my first job and I loved it,

that wasn't my identity, it was just a job. And I'm like, okay, cool, I'm gonna run a real estate company. That wasn't like a real estate, that wasn't my identity. I was a businessman. Did that for I'm gonna run a real estate company. I wasn't like a real estate, that wasn't my identity. I was a businessman. Did that for years, had an opportunity to sell it. Cool, let me get into waste management. But that wasn't my identity either.

Life insurance is not my identity. You know, I wanna be a good business person, I wanna do well, I wanna provide for other people, I wanna teach other people to do what I've done. Period, end of story. And I wanna do it at a better, I wanna give people a better opportunity. There was, Berry Vent venture was really hard.

For me, when I got into business, because I was trying to find a way to get around people and they wouldn't we didn't have social media. Right. So you didn't get to go on and search it and find it. So you had to go find people and then you'll find people. And then they want you to pay them. They wouldn't do it. And it wasn't like it is now.

I didn't have all this coaching, but you'd have to find a way to get around them. You know, when I was in real estate in, shit, 2000, dude, I was like, my first event was here in Vegas with a remax company. That shit was like $30,000. Damn.

Yes. But dude- Just to attend it? To attend all of the sessions they had. It was like four days the breakouts Yes, but a lot of these people so I was one of the few people not making like I was new to the business And I'd made a lot of its money like I was I was never broke when I was I was doing other shit doing stuff I probably shouldn't be doing I had money and then But it was so awesome because I was like one of the only guys, everybody else was a big producer.

So I had this wealth of people, and I was young, like they're most of them a lot older, and I had the ability to, I was courageous, I'd ask questions. So I made a lot of relationships there that lasted me 10, 15, 20 years. And a lot of them were like, well, why did you come? And I'm like, well, the person that recruited me

said this is the best meeting all year and said to me, she said, I bet you can't afford to do it. She was, you know, hell in her 50s. She was 30 years old to me. And I was like, well, what do you mean? She's like, well, it's not for new people. And I'm like, am I not allowed to go? And she's like, no, you can definitely go.

I'm just saying like, I wouldn't waste. I'm like, but you're telling me it's really good. Why am I wasting my money? You know, and she's like, would you have 30 grand? I'm like, I could come up with it. I can come up with 30 grand if it's really good, why am I wasting my money? And she was like, would you have 30 grand? I'm like, I could come up with it. I can come up with 30 grand if it's gonna be that good. And then I not going to those four days, I went to every minute, I showed up,

seven a.m., stayed till seven p.m. I didn't miss nothing, went to the bathroom, I came right back, and then I just asked questions when we had breaks and found people. And I'd be like, can I get your number, can I get your number? And dude, it was a different world. It wasn't like, where's your cell?

I mean, it was. No cell phones back then, right? No, dude. Different world, man. When you start thinking back then, how you got a hold of people, when there was email, that's the other thing, which is good,

but a lot of y'all couldn't fathom, because you're like, what do you mean? I'm like, yeah, dude, we didn't, that was a newer thing for me, you know what I mean? To send an email. It was like getting your home phone number to then call you from my office or home phone to then get ahold of you.

That's crazy. And I can't remember when I had a cell phone or didn't or when I didn't have a pager or when I first got my Nextel and I'm like walkie talkie people. But yeah, man, but you had to go get it. And I wanted to provide stuff where people, it was lower barrier of entry.

I wanted to be able to just share information with people on a pretty regular basis and not smoke them. Wow, that perspective's crazy. Cause you hear people complaining about not getting views on social media, but this is a whole nother level. Dude, like you would get an airplane to fly across the country

to have a conversation with somebody Well, then when you left, how did you get in touch with them? You'd have to get back into a home into a phone and hope they were in front of theirs That's nice. Now. Yeah, now you could text them on the plane 100% everything Yeah, why find the plane and then you're like, how'd you get your information? Watch TV or read a newspaper? All right Yeah, that's all my parents information. They met on a newspaper. Really? Yeah, that's how my parents met. All my business information. They met on a newspaper. Really? Yeah, that's what dating was back then, right?

Yeah. Newspaper ads. Yeah. It's crazy. Now you got Tinder, you just swipe. Yeah, yeah, I never used newspaper ads, but yeah, so it's a lot different nowadays than it was then. Yeah, yeah, the access is just,

like I see all the views I'm getting, it's just like, holy crap. Yeah. 100 million views a month. It's crazy. Like back then, that's not, you had to have a huge television show. Well think about that really, right?

How many people back then had, how many, anything had 100 million views? Like y'all are bigger than like the biggest TV and shows and sport events were. Yeah, that's true. 100%. They didn't have that many views. Like a stadium's like 100,000. Correct. Now think about that. That's what blows my mind. Like I you know I travel a lot and

I'm with people I'm like and again it's and it's always bigger platforms right. Your platform um what's his name the Hard Knocks kid who I like a lot. James. James yeah. James like I was you know I was in the casino the other night and these guys are like hey man how are you? You're Sean? I was like yeah just watched Hard Knocks. But then again, somebody's like, man, how do you like, I'll be traveling. I was in St. Thomas, this dude's at a restaurant, he's like, hey, I just saw your Hard Knocks.

I'm like, but when you have that many views, there are a couple hundred million people in America. If you're getting that many views, that's a large percentage of the population that's seeing what you're doing. You could not accomplish that before. You couldn't. There were ridiculously famous people in New England

I knew, ridiculously famous. But dude, you didn't know, like unless you watched games, you didn't know. These great athletes walked around all over the place. Nobody knew they were. Because they had helmets too, I think. They had helmets, it was a different world. They didn't have post-gain interviews,

all the stuff they're doing now, they didn't have any marketing, they're not being promoted stuff they're doing now. They didn't have any marketing. They're not being promoted, and they weren't doing any commercials. I mean, the handful of athletes everybody knew. But outside of those handful of athletes, you didn't know. Other than Gronk, Brady, and maybe like Amandola and a couple others, nah,

you didn't know the rest of the Patriots. No, 100%. But even back, back, back, back, you wouldn't know anybody. You didn't know Brady. Gronk probably wouldn't have had the marketing back then because that wasn't the appetite. There was really no Gronk probably wouldn't have had the marketing back then because that wasn't the appetite. There was really no Gronk kind of deal. He just wouldn't have fit into a lot of the market.

It was very bland and dry and it wouldn't have. It wouldn't have worked. Yeah, pre-social media, I don't think it would have worked. You're right. It wouldn't have worked. Brady would have worked for it. He got on with whatever product it was. He would have said something,

but you wouldn't have known any of these people. Businessmen, women, you didn't know who they were. Your politicians, I mean your president, but outside of that, you didn't know. How'd you know? If you watched the news and happened to catch one of them on the news and see something, but other than that, you didn't see all this stuff live.

I remember reading in elementary school about like Bill Gates, that's the only entrepreneur I knew. Correct. That's it. And back then, those guys were walking everywhere you didn't know you look some of those old school videos back in the day that was word of mouth and you showed up in an event somewhere and got around them with a hundred people. People were like how did they get into that group?

Dude nobody knew about it. How did you find anybody? Cause I think you take that for granted you think about what how many views you get a month? 100. 100 what? 100 million. Think about that dude.

100 million. Yeah, it's nuts. That's the thing, if you really take a step back and go that's insane. It's nuts dude. Yes. And if you take, how many people are in America? It'd probably be at least half

if I had to look at that alone. Okay, so 50 million of them are here in the States. Yeah. And how many people here in the States. Yeah. And how many people live in the United States of America? 320, I'm sure whatever. So one in every six people has seen something, and it's more than that because all the people share, but think about it, even if it was just that,

if it was one in every hundred, one in every six people, so when you walk around and people are like, they know who you are, that's crazy, right? Yeah. That's crazy because a couple years ago, especially when you were like, didn't want to leave your place. I know, had agoraphobia. I couldn't even leave my bed. Which is like awesome you share it and also be transparent about it, but it means any, dude that's the whole deal.

Like you are, anybody can do anything. Phenagoraphobic who don't want to leave their bed can get one out every six people in America to watch something he's doing every single month by doing what? Going to work, working your ass off, changing, getting uncomfortable, and just showing the fuck up. That's what I'm saying. I'm not doing anything special. Like I'm showing up, you know, filming six episodes a day.

It's just the work ethic. There you go. But anyone could do it if they put their mind to it. Correct. But early on, when you're not getting 100 million views. Oh, I had to lose at first. Yeah, first six months I was losing money. I was doubting myself.

I was probably a month or two away from calling it quits. Which is what most successful people, because you had to push that limit. Most everybody, when I look at all the stuff I'd done, I would have done something else, but I could have called it in. Do you understand, in real estate, waste management, and life insurance,

I did not make money my first three years, in any of them. Now, I made money that I poured back in, but I didn't make money. I was paying my bills to the tune of real estate, I was probably keeping 40 grand a year, sold that for millions and millions of dollars. Waste management, I was paying my bills,

I was probably taking 50 grand a year, paying my bills, sold that for millions. Life insurance deal for a hell of a lot more than that. Bought loads of money. And same thing there. I was paying my bills to tune up 80 grand a year. Wow. Keep my money.

Modest. Modest, yeah dude. I was building a company doing 100 million in volume, driving a Honda Accord and living in my house aiding out on a street in Norwich, Connecticut, a tiny little aqua blue green, I don't even know what the hell a color is, as best as sited house with no yard and no driveway.

Wow. Yeah. That's discipline, man. 100%. Because you see all these people on social media these days flexing their. But I was doing what you were doing, dude. I was working 14 hours a day, dude.

I was doing stuff that I was on the phone at 6 a.m. down recruiting, selling, and I was on the phone until eight, nine o'clock at night. Wow. Seven days a week. Anybody could have done it. Any one of my peers could have done it. But, and I was probably not too far away from going, dude, I gotta make money eventually.

Like I gotta make money eventually doing this. I see where I was about six months in, I was like, damn, can I keep leading? Like this hurts, you know? Like putting that much money out and not getting the views you want. Correct. You gotta stick through it, man.

Well, you did, man, you should be proud of yourself. You too. Yeah, it's not an easy route. Couple final questions, since I know you're big on coaching. I wanna know who you think the goat of coaching is. Greatest of all time. Athletically.

Yeah. Oh man. We could break it by sport probably, that'd be easier. That's a great question. Man, that's a really good question. I'm a big Phil Jackson guy in basketball. I just think that not just, you know, triangle offense, how many championships I won,

I think to manage all those personalities. I think to do what he was able to do when you're looking at Jordan and Rodman and Pippen. Jordan and Pippen can't even talk to each other at all. And listen, obviously, when one dude's son dates the other one's ex-wife, that's gotta mess you up. But he managed all that shit. And Jordan respected him,

which Jordan doesn't seem to respect a lot of people. So like he respected him. So I think from a basketball standpoint, I mean, Pop Bitch and these other guys are great coaches, college level, Shashevsky, but I just, dude, Phil Jackson to me was just like a different level. He had Shaq too. He had Shaq.

I mean, man. He's not easy to manage. No, I can't imagine any more easy to manage, dude. And he did it well. Yeah. You know? Man, dude, I don't, you know, and I can go back to a lot of old school coaches,

and dude, I just don't know if anybody's, I don't know if anybody's better than Andy Reid. You know, I love, I know. You got him over Bill? Yeah, I just, and I'm not saying, listen, dude, and Andy's still rolling. So like, let's not, we don't know what he's gonna win or not win.

Bill Belichick's one hell of a coach. You know, if he's not the greatest all time, then again, I'm just telling you, if you ask me right now, when you look at both of them, body of work, and then look at Andy Reid slowing down, don't know how he's gonna win, how many games he'll end up winning.

I just think that, think a bill Belichick was starting his career today with the current players. I think, I don't think he evolves and we'll see how he does North Carolina. I mean, we'll see, but I do, I do think Andy, Andy Reed, obviously, you know, Belichick's easy to say, but I, and it's not about one, I like one more than other. Baseball, man say, but I, and it's not about one. I like one more than the other baseball man, dude.

I, um, are you an old school baseball guy at all? Or no, no, I don't follow the old stuff. I'm going to tell you what, like Tommy Lasorda was a very successful baseball coach Dodgers. He wasn't a lot, but I'll tell you why I love them because a buddy of mine played on the Olympic team with him and he was coached and they had they were in Australia and Back in the day was a big deal because they got in a brawl in a casino

Hmm, and I said what was Tommy doing he goes. Oh, he's in the middle of it fucking fighting like he I just He was old-school hardcore. I mean, there's some unbelievable baseball coaches, obviously But I just I like guys I was a Billy Martin guy too with the Yankees like Billy was always getting me to manage Steinbrenner and be able to handle him Made him one hell of a coach Joe Tory. I'm a Yankee guy was one hell of a coach, but I don't know dude There's something about a coach that's drinking fighting partying winning Takes no shit from nobody kind of guy. I love it.

And he would mess with the players, call them different names to fuck with them, you know, getting their heads and get the most out of them. And he won an Olympic gold medal with a bunch of ragamuffins, what they were called. And they said they had no shot. And now there was, it was a team that no, and he won a gold medal with them.

So that's one hell of a coaching. I love that. Accomplishments, that would be my favorite. Yeah, I mean, I agree with basketball and football. Baseball, I don't watch as much, but I think you're spot on. And you would know as a former coach, you know. Yeah, man, it's been good to watch, dude.

So we'll see how it all turns out. We'll see how it turns out this year in football and see where we go from there. Yeah, any predictions? The Superbowl is in a couple weeks. Who do you got? Dude, I like the commanders to beat the Eagles. I do.

That's what I asked me to do. I think that Philly's gonna cover. I said, I think Washington is gonna win. I love Jane Daniels. I think he's, I said this when he was at LSU, I sure didn't know he was gonna have this kind of year this year, but I, you know, Philly's loaded. Philly's talented.

But I don't know, I just think in Washington is man, they've won a lot of these big games in the road. This kid is poised. I mean, this kid's in the pocket. And it's like always been he don't, he don't, he don't, he don't bend, he don't break. He's unbelievably talented with his footwork and throwing a ball. I like them and I like the Bills. And I'm probably gonna like sit back and watch the Chiefs win by two and be like, dude, how did that happen? They won 24 to 22.

Like what the fuck happened? They always do that. They do, but I just think the Bills are dialed in. I think Josh dialed in. You know, Kansas City, I know there's been some years but they've had a tough year, but I do. I like the Bills and the commanders and I like the Bills to win the championship. I love it. You think my homes will catch Brady?

Man, I don't, you know, what's hard about this dynasty is what happens when, you know, can they continue to do it? You know, and I also think that Brady, listen, Brady was addicted to having that kind of success. I don't think Mahomes is. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I think, dude, Mahomes is into his family and is into a lot of it. Brady was into football, period.

Like I'm not trying to be a prick, but like. Well, he lost his wife over football. Your wife didn't hook up with this ugly martial arts instructor because you married football. And that's okay, I'm not judging, I'm not gonna be in it to know what happened. But it's like, Tom was that committed to be able to take care of your body, your mind,

from a football standpoint, do all those things that he did. I mean, Patrick Holmes takes his shirt off and he should put it back on. And that's impressive, because you're like, he just shows up, eats his Captain Crunch, goes to Canes, and then throws the football around a little bit. He don't give a damn, drinks his Cores light.

I just think to be able to do that for that many years as Tom did, and I don't know that Patrick should want to either. I think life's too short. And I think when you watch, for me, when you watch what Brady went through, you're like, and again, who knows the whole deal or not. But at the end of the day,

dude, talk about it being your identity. And I wish he wasn't announcing games because he's just awful. Oh, Gradius, I haven't seen him. Oh my God. That's actually surprising. You think he'd be really good. He just has no, oh God,

it's like eating a bag of thumb stacks, but listening to him. But it's, but it's, but I don't, you know, it's a great question. I don't think so, and I don't think he should want to. I love that. I don't. I think he should, he's gonna have one hell of a career,

he's gonna be one of the greatest all time, but it looks like he's got a cool wife and awesome kids and he should focus on that. And for some people that have lost sight of that, I've been there, where it's like business, business, business, business, you know, and if you're just like, dude, I think that there are bigger things in life. And I don't know, you'd have to ask Tom Brady that

you'll probably have him on one day, but you have to ask him that, you know, I will, I will have no doubt you will. Will he have done anything differently? I don't know. But, uh, you know, to win as many Superbowls, I don't know about that, but, um, but Patrick Mahomes should keep his Doritos and Captain Crunch and have his little gut and be happy and be with his family. I like what he said when he was having the last kid, I guess. He's like, why did he schedule it so it's not around the game?

But dude, that guy, that seems like it's God family. Yeah, he's all about that. And I think that's enviable. Yeah, I love that answer, because I've had a couple points in my business career where I could have lost my wife, like if I wanted to keep working the way I was. So you gotta really evaluate, like,

what do you want to sacrifice to get to where you wanna be? 100%. I could have had a few more million, but I would have lost her. It's like, that's not worth it. It ain't worth it, dude. Nah. You'll get there when you get there. Yeah, family's super important for sure. Dude, it's been fun.

Thank you, man. Where can people find you and find your podcast? Man, they can find me everywhere, dude, but last name's M-E-A-I-K-E, even though it's Sean Mike. Yours is spelled right. Mine is M-E-A-I-K-E. Find me on Instagram. We got a fully loaded podcast. I have a Chris Card. Love you. Check that out. I got my pick money one, which is good. I do all kinds of stuff, but you can find me on all socials by my last name.

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