Digital Social Hour - The Power of High-Status Networking: Insider Secrets from Michael Sartain | Digital Social Hour #67

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

🎙️ Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to step into the world of high-status networking and learn the secrets to effortlessly attracting beautiful women? Then you're in luck because this week's episode of the Digital Social Hour has got you covered! 🎉 Hosts Sean Kelly and Wayne Lewis kick off the episode with an exciting guest, Michael Sartain, who has mastered the art of party access and building businesses by going from party to party with stunning girls. With over ten years of experience in the nightlife scene, Michael shares his secrets and insights on how to have a large group of girls accompany you effortlessly. 📈 In a fascinating conversation, Michael reveals how he turned his experience into a successful course that now makes a whopping $500K a month! From leveraging high-status networking to creating ads featuring gorgeous girls on social media platforms like Facebook and Instagram, he spills the beans on his winning strategies. 💡 But that's not all! Michael dives into the world of affiliate programs and how he worked with renowned figures like Andrew Tate and Dan Fleischman to boost his success. He opens up about the importance of leadership skills, effective communication, and the role they play in building relationships and businesses. 🌟 Whether you're looking to improve your dating life or want to learn the secrets to building a thriving business, Michael's MOA mentoring course is your golden ticket to success. He combines his expertise in managing strip clubs with networking skills to provide you with a unique and powerful approach to self-improvement. 🌍 But the episode doesn't stop there. Sean and Wayne discuss the impact of technology on dating, the challenges of male self-improvement, and the misunderstandings between men and women when it comes to attraction and success. 🔥 So, if you're ready to unlock the secrets of high-status networking, master the art of effortless party access, and learn how to improve yourself to attract beautiful women, then don't waste another minute. Tune in to this eye-opening episode of the Digital Social Hour now! 🎧 And don't forget, they also have a free course and book list that you can access, as well as a schedule of events, parties, and competitions on their free school server. Head over to Moamenttoring.com to join the course, get access to the server, and become a bonafide self-improvement junkie. Trust me, you'll thank me later. BUSINESS INQUIRIES: [e-mail] APPLY TO BE ON THE POD: https://forms.gle/qXvENTeurx7Xn8Ci9 SPONSORS: AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You know how you get into every party in the Hamptons? You got to have girls with you. You got to have girls with you. These guys would like end up like building businesses basically from going from one party to another with like all these girls with them. Like when I go to Dan Blazerian's parties, I try to put somewhere between 90 and 150 girls on the list for every one of his parties.

Welcome to the Digital Social Hour. I'm your host, Sean Kelly. I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis. What up, what up? And our guest today, Michael Sartain. Hey, what's going on, guys? Doing well, man. The conversation was so good, we almost forgot to. Yeah. That's actually happened before. I've done that a couple times. We almost forgot the intro. All right. So back to your course, you're doing 500k a month now? Yeah. Yeah. So it's funny funny so moamentoring.com we started off uh i think the first month we did it i want to say we did 100k the first month we did it now the reason for that uh we didn't really know what we were doing with our marketing but

um what made it work was that we had so much demand so i've been teaching this for 15 years but the first 13 years it was totally for free uh yeah yeah so we the first month the first three months we did 100k then it dropped off because we didn't know how to do ads we had no idea how to do ads about that and we started doing ads and i had a theory that if our ads if the ads we did not say the word dating because facebook hates that term because so many pickup artists have gone in there and made extraordinary claims that were absurd uh you you know there's crypto stuff it's hard time to post that on facebook as well yeah so facebook ad manager will not that goes to facebook and it goes to

instagram youtube's actually more strict to be honest we actually had to change our ads even more for youtube so for our our in uh facebook ad manager what we decided this was my theory and it turned out to work i totally totally by accident as i said for our ads we are not going to say the word dating or relationships at all. We're going to talk about high status networking. And we're going to talk about networking with men and women and networking to help you get a job, help you make more money, help you find mentors and help you find your dream girl. We did say dream girl. That's fine.

And then and then in the copy in the ad, you'll notice all the girls were stunning. They gave me a couple of ads the first time that our guy our editor gave me back ads and it was like at so at uh at sex at 17 seconds that girl's an eight only tens and if you go back and watch the ad only ten we only girls that were stunning to be in the ad because we had so much footage from babes and toyland and all the bikini competitions and then afterwards uh in the ad the girls are always touching me and they're facing me and i never touched them there was one thing where one of my female friends i was like hugging her like this and i i knew she was my female friend but it looked like i was like going up to some strange girl i was like this context is incorrect girls always have to be facing me and i'm not gonna be

facing them and they're always reaching towards me or touching me or sitting on my lap and i'm not touching them so we tried that at 26 to 1 roi we did that 26 to 1 um for those of you who are like considering getting into ads um the problem with tiktok is that i personally believe 80 of their engagement is fake i don't think it's real if you guys run run the same ad on tiktok as you run on uh facebook ad manager and tell me what you see and like it's just really unqualified very lots of cyrillic alphabets and lots of arabic alphabets and lots of people from india lots of people from brazil like that's so i'm not i don't feel like their engagement is real i don't know if you guys saw uh but like wish you remember the company yeah they put all of their marketing budget into TikTok and they went from $39 a share down to 60 cents. Whoa. I just really do not believe I'm not saying it won't

be in the future, but I think right now TikTok is not like, um, a mature advertising environment. Um, the problem with YouTube is they're just so strict that like, like I said before, we're getting 40, 40% return on our investment with, with, uh, YouTube and 26 to 1 on facebook ad manager so right now as much as people think tiktok's taking taking over i still think instagram is the most relevant social media platform and i haven't tried any advertising on we've done google ads and then we've done um what's the other one snapchat um we have not tried snapchat that may be one that we go out yeah her snapchat is like kind of the way right now we're trying to you know come back and stay relevant yeah yeah the thing for me is because the the it's a high ticket program it generally has to be north american or european middle class to upper middle class men that buy

from us so some of these platforms like snapchat isn't as relevant a platform we might need to try twitter actually that might actually be a better place for us to go. But that's the one of the things we did. And then the other thing that worked for the business was I really tried to push affiliates because I'm friends with Justin Waller and I'm friends with Cooper Sterling or Sterling Cooper. And I, I have conversations with, I like Sterling. Yeah, it's great. I have conversations with Andrew Tate, not specifically about this, but Andrew and I will message each other other over telegram before and after he went to jail and um he was the one who set me

up with those guys and that's how i ended up meeting rolo and them but i talked to them about their affiliate program for hustle university and war room and we try to do as close to that as we can so there's a lot of guys who can't afford the program but they want to be involved so that we give them a bunch of free stuff and then we put them in our affiliate group and then they help sell the program. So if you guys, most of the time when you guys see my face on Tik TOK, it's one of my affiliates or on YouTube or on Instagram.

So right now there's probably, it's not like, it's not like it was for Andrew. Andrew's hundreds, thousands of affiliate things. I probably have 20 or 30 different affiliate pages on each one of those platforms. Um, and they're making a boatload of money. And then the other ones are like Rolo or Myron, I probably have 20 or 30 different affiliate pages on each one of those platforms.

And they're making a boatload of money. And then the other ones are like Rollo or Myron or those guys right there who come on the show with me. I give them all an affiliate code, Spencer Cornelia, guys like that. And they make money from doing that. I'm like, that's something I want to get maybe Dan Fleischman involved with, too. So I'm trying to do paid, organic, and affiliate. I'm trying to make all three of those things work. And that's how we push it up to close to $600 600 000 a month insane yeah so what do you do like so the audience know because we kind of just jumped into this yeah let everyone know what it is so so i'm a retired

u.s military officer i flew uh special ops for five years and then i did counterintelligence uh specifically it's called um signature management for the last two years I was in the military. And then I got out and I moved to Vegas. And when I was here, I just I knew I wanted to be I was I was working to be an actor. I was working for an actually a talent agency for a while. And I was splitting time between LA and Vegas. And then I was here and I wanted to work in nightlife. I wanted to I wanted my nightlife experience to be effortless. I didn't want it to be something where I was going in there sitting in the, you know, guys, when you're young, you go in there and you're sitting on the dance floor and just trying to pick up girls. Like, I hate that. I wanted, I want it to be the fun, incredible experience. I'm going to be on stage with

Tiesto or Skrillex or whoever, anytime I want it. And so I spent, um, the next few years kind of studying what some of these nightlife directors do, the hosts, the promoters, all that kind of stuff. And the reason why I studied is because those guys were so effortlessly able to get large groups of girls, really pretty girls to like show up and participate with anything they wanted. And I was like, that's an incredible skill set. If you guys ever read the book, Very Important People by Ashley Mears, she's a professor of sociology at Boston University. She talks about the men in the Hamptons, you know, those Hamptons parties they have in the summer. people by ashley mears she's a professor of sociology at uh boston university she talks about the men in the hamptons you know those hamptons parties they have in the summer those those hamptons parties are are hosted by 100 millionaires and billionaires and there's no

it's not like a formal guest list there's a way to get in every party do you know how you get into every party in the hamptons you know you got to know someone right no close um you hook up with a guy you gotta have girls with guy you gotta have girls with you you gotta have girls with you these guys would like end up like building businesses basically from going from one party to another with like all these girls with them same thing in the south of france same thing and so it was this skill set i wanted to learn is like how do i teach guys how do i personally make it so that i can go anywhere with like 20 30 girls and it's not i try to keep it away from the skeezy drug there's no i don't do any drugs i don't try any

drugs anything like that or like paying them to hang out with me none of that and i was like this is a skill set that i got really good at over 10 years how can i teach that that's one of the that's one of the eight that there are 11 pillars in there it's like one or two of the 11 pillars have to do with this subject right here. It's like, how do we go to a place? But I have 20, 30,

40. Like when I go to Dan Bilzerian's parties, I try to put somewhere between 90 and 150 girls on the list for every one of his parties for maximum. It's usually around a hundred, um, for the bikini competitions. I recruited 200 for the last time for wet Republic.

And I'm not a club. That's the thing. I'm not a club promoter, but there were things that club promoters do that I wanted to mimic. Just like if you see a really good computer programmer or really good sales guy or you, there's things that they do. You want to mimic.

And so I, so what happened was from 2011 to 2019, my, my job, I was actually a trader. I worked for a small firm called continental financial capital as a quantitative analyst and so i was trading stock options and then when the when covet hit i realized man i need multiple sources of revenue and i've been teaching this since oh oh eight this whole dynamic of um i used to live in atlanta and the best club promoters i'd ever seen these guys

were able to get massive amounts of girls to like show up to parties or whatever i was like i need to learn from what they were doing shout out to to Armada magazine and Max Smith is out there. He owns tongue and groove now, I think. Um, so I, I just learned what they did and then I tried to put it, I tried to delineate it. If you, if you guys met promoters here, if you guys met guys like Jason Strauss, I don't know if you guys know, Jason Strauss used to be a club promoter. He used to pass out flyers when he lived in Boston. He went to Boston university. Now he's the most powerful man in like nightlife. There's a set of steps that he went through to get to where he's at, but no one really teaches it. There's no formal course for like being a world-class VIP host. There's no formal class for it. And I don't

want to teach people to be VIP hosts, but I do want to teach people. What are the things that these guys do that are so incredible to get a, if you have the ability to get a human being to spend $25,000 on a table, there's a skillset there. If you have the ability to get 100 girls, pretty girls to show up to something, there's a skillset there. How do we take that skillset? And then we bring it into self-help. How do we take that skillset and bring it into male improvement? How do we take that skillset? And then we bring it into this whole community to like build a business, whatever. Um whatever um and that's that's essentially what my program was so a couple things i started hosting all the bikini competitions in las vegas so the one at dray's uh dray swimsuit showcase the rehab bikini invitational and then the it's not called the

spy on vegas hot 100 it's called uh it was it was by playboy we don't know what the name is this year but we're going to do another one this year um and that was the biggest one in the world biggest bikini competition in the world and then i hosted paradise challenge in jamaica which is the black tape project also and then i hosted swimsuit usa's world championship in mexico so those are five big bikini series and from there i got all those girls to start coming to all the charity events i i throw you just had uh dave flashman on here dan does model citizen fund when he does model citizen fund in september which is for his birthday i try to bring at least 100 girls to that wow it's not i'm not a club promoter wearing sunglasses passing out below that's not what i'm doing what i'm doing is guys there's a charity event we're

putting backpacks together we're uh to to give to orphanages and domestic abuse shelters and homeless people that's what dan fleishman's is. And I'll message the biggest influencers I know. And they're like, they're not like, Hey, come to my table and my client. That is not what I'm saying. Come to this charity event with me, walk this red carpet and get photographs on this red carpet. And the girls are like, thank you. Yeah, that's awesome. And so Dan, by the way, Dan Fleischman is a great example. Like he's a young Jeezy said, I'm your favorite rappers, favorite rapper. Yeah. Dan Fleischman is a great example like he's a what young gz said i'm your favorite rapper's favorite rapper yeah dan fleishman is your favorite influencer's favorite influence for sure because he's so underground but like we all know each other through dan fleishman yeah i tried to make a course kind of to teach what dan fleishman does like because i've never seen

dan really teach what he does but i try he's one of the guys that i try to mimic after um and so there's just this, these incredible networkers out there and they're always surrounded by wealthy people in really cool places, access to anything they want. Anytime they have a mentor, they get to meet their mentor face. Like I got to interview David bus. I get to interview Rolo Tomasi. Like that was incredible. And then there, and then, and then effortlessly surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of women. And then the woman they choose to be their wife or their life partner is one of these hundreds and hundreds of stunning women that they're around all the time. So, I mean, obviously, you know, Dan, I'm not going to say this, he married up.

He did incredible, right? Why is that? Because Dan is always around these beautiful influencers all the time, right? And then he found the one that's like you this is the one i want so networking as an evolutionary adaptation networking to like grow your business networking to find mentors networking to meet the woman of your dreams that's what i teach in my course moa mentoring but that was from i used to manage a strip club like back in 2002 so i mean we're talking 21 years of me just like studying this stuff and women understand. Yes. You have an understanding of women.

You know how to talk to them. There's a couple other things. So because I was a military officer, there's a component of leadership that's missed in the self-help community and very much in the dating community. This component of like inability to look people in the eye, shake hands, and to have normal conversations with people. This has been lost in part because the iPhone put the Facebook app on it in 2008. And you'll go see the number of men that have gone have list since 2008 to 2018 has tripled as tripled. It is over 33% of men have zero partners in the last year because of that.

28% of men under the age of 30 are not virgins, but they haven't had since they were 18. Maybe they had before 18, but that's the numbers are skyrocketing because these men don't know how to communicate and so that's the reason why another reason why my program blows up so much because a lot of dangerous it is it is because you because you end up with a bunch of uh surplus men yeah surplus men so if you like certain middle eastern countries where you have men who have multiple wives and then men down at the bottom quartile with no mobility whatsoever, no ability to have sex with anyone. They strap bombs to their chest. That's why we tend to find in polygynous societies or polyamorous society, we tend to find more violence.

And in societies where monogamy is encouraged, like with Catholicism and Islam and Judaism, you find that there's less violence. And so it's one of these weird things where you have a bunch of guys at the tops that are like, be players, get this yacht, make this money, f**k all these girls. And then there's a bunch of dudes at the bottom who suffer. But at the same time, from a societal standpoint, the family unit is economically and socially the most viable way in order to produce a viable or a stable populace. Does that make sense? You have a tax base, you have a nonviolent populace, and you have a population increase,

and you have a bunch of men who aren't frustrated at the bottom. Marriage, like monogamy, allows for men at the bottom to have at least one wife. Polygyny or polyamory causes the men at the top to have it's it's the uh it's the george clooney um leonardo dicaprio running through thousands of groupies effect and then those girls then never settle for the guy who stock shelves at walmart so the guy who stock shelves at walmart walmart doesn't have less options with women he He has zero options. And the guy up at the top literally could seven different girls every day if you wanted to. And so it's become a Scott Galloway is a professor and he talks about this.

If, if dating were a country, it would be the most unequal distribution of wealth than any country on the planet. Wow. They were saying because of that, less babies are being born. Yes.

So, so right now. So, so here's the thing in certain countries like Indonesia, Brazil, Mexico, wow yeah they were saying because of that less babies are being born yes so so right now so so here's the thing in certain countries like indonesia brazil mexico we're not seeing this massive decline in birth rate but amongst north american uh people in especially middle class north american people yeah this is what um elon musk was talking about it's like they're being outpopulated by people from other countries i personally don't have a problem with that but

just because there's going to be more no one's saying that there's eight billion people on the planet and in 100 years there's going to be seven billion no one's saying that what they're saying is certain demographics like in indonesia they are populating like crazy and in china for a while they were 1.3 billion people it's just certain populaces are being outbred by other ones and some people find that as a concern and some people who are jingoists and some people who are ethnocentrists they don't like the fact that my color people are being outbred by your color people and therefore that's why they make some of these complaints but there is no there's a demographic collapse but there's no population collapse i think that's a kind of a

misused term on twitter i see sometimes yeah now were you always able to pull girls because obviously you were in the military for years. I assume you're not getting laid in the military. No, no, that happens a lot in the military. No, no, it wasn't. When I lived in Atlanta, it wasn't a problem. Yeah, when I lived in Atlanta, it was great. It wasn't that big of an issue.

The thing for me is I would tell you in my early 20s, no. I will tell you working at a strip club from the age of 22 to 26, there are these really uncomfortable truths about the dynamics between men and women that you sometimes don't learn until a girl breaks up with you or cheats on you. And I didn't have to learn it that way. I just watched some of the most incredible women

and some of the most destructive, toxic women I've ever seen in my entire life destroy their lives and their families' lives because of drugs or some kind of like mental disorder i like i got to see it's almost like learning about war from going to west point versus learning about war from going to denang during vietnam you understand what i'm saying like one of them like it was such real life experience watching that that a lot of the disillusionment that happens for men i think in that they call the term red pill rage yeah um that

that happened to me in my early 20s before rollo had ever even written the rational male i'd already gone through that um so for me that lack of disillusionment and then later on kind of seeing the difference between what guys online were saying that they did just so you know the majority of guys in pickup are lying they're not good with women they're some of the worst guys i've ever seen with women in my life are huge pickup coaches um they're really bad so they'll show you if they're good you'll see it one of the reasons why pickup artists generally don't do a lot of stuff on social media is because they'd have to expose their lives and they're not very good with women

so what'll happen is you'll see um what i noticed was the pickup artists were saying this and then i would look at the club promoter who like had a girlfriend and they were having with six other girls while he was showing up to the club with 60 girls and i was like that guy i'm gonna listen to that guy i'm not gonna listen to the pickup bar i'm gonna listen to that what that guy says and i saw that the two things were different pickup artists were like you can never be friends with women club promoters were like all my female all my friends females right does it make sense the uh pickup artist like you can never buy a girl a drink club promoters like no i get comp tables all girls get drinks it's a party every night all the time does that make sense yeah and so i started to see

that this is where the difference was and so from paying attention to that and then also understanding like the dynamics between men and women again i not to be obviously not every woman is like a woman in the strip club but like seeing the worst of it up front it made it very easy for me to be, obviously, not every woman is like a woman in a strip club, but seeing the worst of it up front, it made it very easy for me to be. My boundaries were very clear very early on. But no, definitely not. I'd say in my early 20s and the first one I got in the military, I did not have a ton of successful women. I definitely say that happened when I moved to Vegas. I think a lot of men overthink when it comes to the interaction with women.

And it's really like they want the interaction. Your approach just can't be weird. Yeah, so it's funny. You guys see Elon Musk. He put out the study that shows if you have an IQ over 130, you have a higher chance of being a virgin than if you have an IQ under 80. Really? Because guys with an IQ under 80, they just go, yo, hot girl, go f***. Gym time. Lift weights. Get big. Hi, I'm Brock. this because guys under with an iq under 80 they just go yo hot girl go gym time lift weights get

big hi i'm broad that's what guy under 80 does guy under 80 doesn't look in the mirror and be like man i have an existential crisis i just wonder what the world thinks about me and if i post this on my social media will my mom care the guy under with an iq under 80 does not have these issues with the iq under 80 is just like my friend took some steroids, so I'm going to take f***ing steroids. I'm going to get big, and I'm just going to go up to girls and be like, sup, sup, no, sup. People with IQs under 80 tend to have like super f***ing high confidence, even when they don't need to have high confidence. People with IQs over 130, they're literally like so neurotic. Some of the highest IQ clients that that i have it's impossible to

get them to take action because they don't listen to what i'm saying they legitimately think that they can intellectualize their way through any problem and it's it ends up being a disaster so yeah i mean that was one of the things is that like i understood that just because i studied astronomy in college just because i can can explain quantum mechanics to someone doesn't mean i should. Just because there's oftentimes the conversation we were just having about the 26 to 1 ROI. I would love to meet a girl who's stunning. Now, I have my girlfriend, and she does definitely care.

But I would love to have before met a girl who was super interested in that. I never meet women that are interested in that. I meet women who are interested in the fact that I make money, but they're not interested in the fact is like, here's how our affiliate system works. And later on, I'm going next week with Dan Fleischman, Wes Watson, Bradley, Hardcore Closer and a bunch of other people to Dallas where they're going to do a speech in Dallas. And I'm like telling my girlfriend, I'm like, dude, Wes Watson's going to be there. Dude, that's awesome. Wes Watson and Bradley are going to be there. And she just doesn't care like in her mind she doesn't understand but like because for because for for men who know you know being around those men will make you millions but for women they just see the millions yeah they don't understand

it's like the 30 books that I read in all these situations that went I'm not obviously some women do but most women that I talk to is like they just see the bag the watch the car at the end at the finish line but they don't understand it's like yeah just one of these weird things were like i had a discussion with my girlfriend the other day i was like i wanted her to meet i was at a huge guest on i don't even say it was huge guest and i wanted her to come meet the guest and i was like trying to she's like i don't understand why you want me to meet the guest i just want to go like lay out by the pool and i wanted her to come meet the guest and i was like trying to she's like i don't understand why you want me to meet the guest i just want to go like lay out by the pool and i was like because you're part of my company and like i want this person to see that i have some relevancy in this arena and she didn't grasp it at first and then i was trying to explain to her

it's like no we make money together so i need her this person to see all of the parts of my life right and a lot of times women just don't grasp that that concept is like they just see no there's just money they just see that there is money and that money's being made but like they don't understand that like uh it's an i'm getting way off topic here if you teach male self-improvement do you guys know most women don't think that's real especially yes they don't think it's really funny yeah they don't think mal improvement yes so they think if you were to if you were to really like get in and listen to a group of like really hot girls talk and they were like how does a guy get your attention or hook up with you it's like just be tall and hot with a huge and just uh have tons of money and then you'll get me that's

what they think and so if they if they did this experiment where they give women these uh tinder profiles of average looking men and they're like okay pick up women doing this and they're disastrous the women have no idea what they're doing because they don't have to work to get people to write to absolutely and so so uh this funny thing happens where i would talk to these girls and i would explain to them i was like yeah like i have one client he's five foot one and i was explaining to my girlfriend like that dude gets laid all the time. One of my one of my coaches, he's like constantly hooking up with hot chicks. And she's like, no, that's not possible. In her mind, male self-improvement isn't real.

Only hot guys get hot girls in women because that's the because they're hot girls. That's the way they see the world. Only rich guys get hot girls male self-improvement is literally i'm confident enough and charismatic enough to overcome that looks money status barrier in order for me to actually get the job of my dreams or to get hot girls also women don't think that's real some women obviously there's exceptions most women legitimately think it's only like when they go sleep with a guy it's because fate and destiny and karma. And he was a Sagittarius.

They don't understand. He rented the car, set up the reservation. The chef knew his name. It was two minutes away from his apartment. His apartment smelled like lavender. It was cleaned earlier that day. There were candles. The bed was like from her standpoint.

It just happened. And they just it was supposed to happen from his standpoint he did all this work it's really funny if you ever have a girlfriend who's bisexual and you guys start trying to have threesomes you'll notice from her standpoint she thinks the threesomes just happen but like after a while she comes to the realization she's like oh we really have to like set up a situation like almost like a slot like a set of circumstances that leads to another girl coming back to our place and it's really funny to watch the realization because from their standpoint, every time they've had sex, it was organic, but we're all men here. We all know it's not organic.

We have to work in order to create a reality to where women would even consider having sex with us. But from their standpoint, it doesn't work like that. So because in their, from their standpoint, it just happens male self improvement isn't real the idea of teaching a man to be better with women women are like oh that's awesome you make all that money it's fooling those guys like that ha ha ha that's i hear women say this to me all the time they legitimately don't think this is a real thing wow they think men getting rich is real they do think that is real but they don't grasp it's like how did you get rich they just think that like there was some secret pile of money we stole they don't understand how to win friends and influence

people the one thing by gary keller the e-myth revisited they don't understand hustle harder they don't understand these guys like we read all these books we read you know i'm saying yeah um seven habits of highly effective people they don't grasp that concept they just legitimately think poof the money just like it showed up and then that's how it worked. And so when I explain to these girls, I'm like, we can actually work on comedy with guys that actually make women and men trust them more. We can work on things like the connector, suggester and content creator, which is value arbitrage, which causes their network to increase. But like from the outside looking in, like they just look at it like it like no i just own the hot guy right i just broke phone cannon party at in south padre island because he was hot and i felt like doing it

they don't see the work that goes into all these things and so that's why it's really interesting to me like if you guys ever do this have a super hot girl on here and then talk to her like what can a guy do to improve to get your and she's going to say things like oh just improve your confidence and be yourself we all know that's other nonsense right be yourself it's so stupid guys this is yourself if you sit at home and you sit on your mom's basement getting fat playing minecraft that and you you think that's to be yourself you think that being yourself is going to get you women you are deluding yourself you are going if be yourself is never go to the gym stop being yourself if being yourself is having a victim mentality stop being yourself be the most improved version most attractive version of yourself that you can possibly be at any time

this idea of be yourself is nonsense the idea also the other one that's complete and utter total nonsense you guys know who wayne huizenga is no no you still own the dolphins he owned a company uh the biggest biggest golf tournament uh in the u.s the one that they have in scottsdale you guys remember what it's called is that waste that's not waste man yes it is waste man you understand how we've gotten so used to saying the name of that company and how insane that is? We're calling a golf tournament after waste management. Chase your dreams. Chase your passions. He became a billionaire cleaning up diapers and cleaning out porta potties.

No, don't chase your passion. Don't chase your dream. Solve a problem. That's the difference. That's the difference where you have somebody who's like, I want to sell it. I want to have a restaurant where I sell pink tacos or I want to have a restaurant where I do girls nails. And I'm like, no, I want a scalable business that I can turn into eight or nine figure business. And I want to, I want to pay money to get my time back so that I can delineate the, or delegate these tasks so I can work on more

important things so I can grow my business even faster i don't believe chase your dreams i believe chase figure out someone's problem solve the problem become a billionaire anyway did you get a question yeah so i was going to say um that getting rich is a form of self-improvement of course yeah so technically what even if they don't get it it's like yeah that part they get the hardcore i was broke and i have several but you what you hear women say she's only with him because he has money right that's from her standpoint self-improvement still isn't a real thing she's only the hot girl the hot russian model is only the short fat guy because he has money and often that is correct he didn't improve himself he just made money but the the concept of like being a better human being a more well-rounded man and having that be the reason

why a woman's attracted to you like again the five foot one guy who who except with all the girls whenever a girl see him their first thought is he must be rich and he's not he's doing it because of the things i fucking taught him that's why he's doing it because male self-improvement is real. But for people outside of that whole system, they don't get it. And also male self-improvement is incomplete the way it's taught. something's not your fault it's still your fault no one's coming to save you and you have to take responsibility for any kind of improvement or any kind of uh problem that there is one of the guys that i've seen that are the best with women are leaders what i mean by that is guys let's go we're going to the party everybody get in line get your ids out right ladies line up here the bikini competition is about to start you understand what i'm saying yeah hey guys ready we're going to the movies we got 15 minutes guys ready one two three let's go they can speak

to large groups of women without coming off as assholes it's a technique i specifically teach this technique in moa mentoring how do you speak to large groups of women without coming off like get over here you don't none of it's like guys listen ladies everybody gets kind of like a kindergarten teacher all right kids everybody line up everybody lined up ready we're about to go make a ton of money you guys excited awesome one two three go and that's that's what yeah they find that so attractive yes he's so sexy leadership it is a function of leadership yes that's exactly that's exactly what's now uh are there women who are great leaders absolutely i had two squadron commanders that were female are there women who definitely understand self-improvement a hundred percent there are are there women who

make a ton of money and they understand mentorship they are correct but when i go to self-help programs it's 99 men yeah that's what i've noticed and where are most men lagging oh i think most men are lacking and there's so it depends on which realm you're coming from from the self-help i'm talking about just like an overall spectrum. Like if there's 10 men, what are eight of them all have in common? As far as the male self-improvement, it is leadership qualities and a lack of passive-aggressive communication. A lack of passive-aggressive communication? Yes.

So they have too much passive-aggressive communication. Oh, they have too much. Okay, okay. YouTube commenters. Great example of they don't even post their avatar on youtube or on twitter or whatever and then they talk about you and your family that's a that's a it's cowardice right it's very much the takashi six nine ification where they've all just become snitches and just like very weak-minded individuals um the demasculinization of men i don't mind, if you want to wear a pink dress, wear a pink dress. My point is this idea that if you act masculine, that you're somehow bad.

That is another issue that's happened. A lot of men have fallen into that trap. I'd say the main one is the ability to look someone in the eye and then to have to take responsibility for your actions and to be a leader. That would be the number one thing. From the dating standpoint, the main three things that they got wrong. Number one, I think a lot of guys in the dating scene adopted social media way too late way too late the number one dating app on the planet is instagram uh number two logistics a lot of guys are like i live there's so many dudes who are in their early 20s who got like go buy some house

way out in the suburbs like 47 minutes away from the bars and nightclubs because of all the eight because all this extra land they got whereas the dude who has like the four bedroom flat over sixth street in austin or lives in meatpacking or lit in or lives on mckinney avenue in dallas or lives in uh um we ho in los angeles or lives in just some cool place like that in brickell in miami that dude is just some cool place like that in Brickell in Miami. That dude is just constantly meeting women. He's getting more experience with women. Maybe he's not, but he's constantly meeting women.

He's getting more experience with women. He's getting better with women. The guy who just, he's like, yeah, I can buy a cheaper house way out here in the woods or whatever. I've said this to guys before. The house with the picket fence that's her dream that's not your dream her dream is to have a picket fence around the house to keep the bitches out that's why there's a house her dream is to have a gigantic tell me if you guys have heard this you guys watching this the girl who has the overbred dog with the hip dysplasia and the eczema and she can

you have to come home and take the dog out every hour because the dog has medical problems what is that for that's a surrogate for the children you're going to have right there's a the dog is there to keep the man at home the the fence is there to keep the women out you guys understand yeah and then the house that she wants you to buy that you want you to take a 30-year mortgage out on is 40 minutes away from the strip. That's what you'll notice the single guy. What is he doing? He's living on the strip,

right? He has, he, maybe he buys, possibly he rents. He has very few, he needs very few material possessions. He's got a couple of pairs of shoes and laptop,

and he makes his money online as a copywriter or whatever. And then when he dates, he does it on his terms does that make sense yeah that's what the difference that's what i'm saying the house in the picket fence that's her dream that's not your dream and so many guys get that whole thing is confused so the main three things let me i'm sorry my original point was what they were doing wrong the data community to me so you kind of noted right there yeah number one is they they were super late on social media they don't understand that the online presence that they have is more important than

almost anything else that they're going to do you in person doing cold approach is never going to match up with you having an incredible social media account number two is logistics and number three this incredible anathema just stupid stupid idea that they've had for years this idea that you can't be friends with women bro i am friends with women and they introduced me to women dude my girlfriend was introduced me but i had two stunning friends in mexico who hit me up and be like hey that girl you thought was hot she's at this bar right now come here right now and they're just like michael this michael that michael's awesome and i walk up to her and start talking to her because of that

women introduce you to more women women get you invited into cool events and women get you used to being around beautiful women so that when you meet more beautiful women you don't act weird women calibrate you yes it's just so bad like the two biggest lies pickup ever taught number one is you can't be friends with women and number two this idea that women sleep with you because of your intent no they don't women don't sleep with you because of your intent they knew you wanted to them when they got up in the morning they already know you want to them women don't sleep with you because your intent they sleep with you because of your status i don't understand why people still believe this nonsense and so because of that you're asking to think from the self-help perspective the leadership qualities that are necessary to run a business or the things that are being lost in this

category it's just i want to program and make money and then hire a va and then just like never like never look anyone in the eye or shake hands or whatever on this end and then on this end the things i said before is they mess up his logistics social media and having having the ability to have female friends on the dating side of it but yeah those are the big holes and those holes are the ones i specifically address with my coaching program are you a fan of dating apps like tinder bumble yeah they're great i'm a fan of abundance do all of it that's fine i will say though that using tinder and then not using instagram is a mistake i think that's a problem i think never going up and holding approaching never going up and cold approaching women is a mistake if you only do social media but the thing that you're

going to find is like if you actually have like a decent presence on social media on youtube or instagram or whatever when you go meet a girl they already know or like i i'll tell you right now like the number since i started this podcast which has nothing to do like it's really interesting on the podcast sometimes i'll talk about aliens or like the war in russia yeah and i'll have women commenting like sending me heart eyes or like i miss you it is because status is status is status they don't care what you're talking about and you're like hearing you talk exactly or if you come off as like like there's this thing now called the micro famous in 1985 you were either like tom cruise level famous or no one

knew who you were yeah because there's no social media there's this middle class of fame that sort of exists now that's you're famous enough to turn to like get the attention of every woman mike majeric you know the guy the co-host with yeah mike malik how'd you say it malik malik sorry i said his name wrong mike malik it's a great example where he's famous enough he's not quite as famous as logan and jake but he's famous enough to where like i've seen the girls he's dated and he dates some really pretty girls right so he's like kind of in this middle class there's this middle class of fame that sort of exists now does that make sense yeah enough to get a blue check mark but not quite at the white house like that yeah you understand what i'm saying yeah uh one of my favorite do you guys know dj iry is in miami yeah he's great he's friends with dan fleshman dj iry is the

perfect level of fame dj iry has lebron james and probably barack obama's number on his phone but he can still walk around without security. There's this middle class of fame. That's the best. That's the best. There's this middle class of fame that sort of exists now where it's enough to use your fame to start a business and date the girl of your dreams. But you don't have to be George Clooney level of fame. And social media sort of facilitates this middle class of fame that like it could be just as like as simple as

you're just the guy who hosts the cool sunday party on the yacht every week like that little middle class of status and fame that sort of exists now and men should be able to take advantage of it the problem is the number of men that take advantage of it is less than 20 of men and they're having 80 of the and then this bottom third of men is having no s**ts at all. That's what's happening. So it's just no competition in the space. That's what he's saying. Because technically, the men are actually taking advantage of the space.

They're getting most of the women. And meanwhile, they think it's some kind of cheat code. And really, it's just doing what you're supposed to do as a guy. How important do you feel is it to four men that's working on themselves to actually you know come up to women that they don't know let's say in walmart just have casual conversation how important is that i don't think you have to go up to women in walmart what i do think you have to do by the way this is also for married entrepreneurs i do think you need to be comfortable talking to women by being around a lot of women there's there's two things we're

talking about one is i meet a girl during cold approach for sexual intercourse. And another one is I meet a huge social media influencer who helps me build my business, who comes and supports my business. Dan Fleischman's a great example. He's going to have Model Citizen Fund. When he's there, there's going to be Emily Sears, Lindsay Palus, and Abigail Rashford.

They're going to walk the carpet. Each one of them, eight to 10 million followers on Instagram. He's not trying to sleep with them. He's married married but they come and they bring attention to what he's doing so those are two different things we're talking about the difference is though being friends with emily sears lindsey palace and abigail ratchford when you go into a party with them every girl is staring at you who the f**k is this guy who just walked in with my favorite model? Who is this guy who just walked into a club with Caitlin Runk and, and, and kindly Myers?

Who, who is this dude? And women are just like, so this guy has status. I need to know who the fuck this guy is. I need to get his attention. And so to me, that's more important than like,

say the cold approach stuff is like to work on who do you network with? And who are you connected to on social media? I think that's probably more important, but if you can't go up and cold approach stuff is like to work on who do you network with and who are you connected to on social media i think that's probably more important but if you can't go up and cold approach that's a huge problem that's a huge problem that's what i'm saying what i'm saying is when it comes return on investment being able to go up and talk to strangers is helpful right being better online is actually so much more scalable that to me i think people are not spending enough time working on that 100 it makes it a lot easier when you have an online presence so strangers know you so nobody's technically estranged it's the it's your office right so so if if you go into uh you go see a personal injury

attorney and you walk into the office and then there's like a wall missing and there's no carpet on the floor and there's like two legs missing on the couch and he doesn't have a desk in front of him that's what it looks like when your social media is bad that's what it looks because women are like who is this guy because we ask girls all the time one of the first questions i ask you met a super hot guy in a club what's the first thing you do it's always the first thing guys what is the first thing they always do guys what is it they check the guy's instagram 100 of the time so even if you are doing cold approach again you have to think of your social media, your online presence as your office, right? I used to pass up business cards.

Now they come and they check out my Instagram and now I'm purveying a message to them. My message is, I mean, I have a girlfriend, but my message is here's my podcast. My podcast is interesting. These are the topics we talk about. And also here's some lifestyle photos to show that when I talk about male-female dynamics, I actually know what I'm talking about. Here's some irrefutable visual evidence to prove that what I'm talking about is true. And so that's what I try to do. That's what I try to purvey with my social media. Your social media might be, I do credit repair. Steven Lau, credit, right? What is he doing? He's got a fully automatic shotgun while he's sticking a credit card into a mouth. That's

what he puts on his IG. does that show i make i have ridiculous amounts of wealth i'm incredibly successful but one of the things that where i think a lot of guys go wrong is um if i were to tell you uh that a guy uh had hundreds of and did a bunch of quaaludes and went to jail for securities fraud and somebody was going to make a movie out of him you'd be like oh my god this i would never be involved with that guy what a terrible life i would myself for wall street i would love to be around everyone would love to be around it if i were to tell you man i'm on youtube and i'm like uh and i'm sitting there walking around and i and i i show a video of a dead body hanging from a tree in Japan. I violated terms of service.

Everyone wants me canceled. I would never be involved with that guy. Logan and Jake. Logan and Jake Paul. I've been around those guys. Love them. Again, nobody pays for shit anymore. There is legitimately no bad publicity.

The Tinder swindler has a coaching program now. There is legitimately no bad publicity anymore. It doesn't matter what you... Think about all the people who support donald trump because he said he did some of the crazy because he had a star while his wife was pregnant like literally they look at it like it's fucking w that he did how crazy is that people admire courage yeah it takes a lot of courage so those people you named are all courageous yeah for sure yeah that's their mind while they are all courageous what's more important is that they're all famous right just the fact that they're famous for whatever reason is again i went to a party the other day okay i

went steve demopolis i went to his halloween party it's like last october not the other day where i met his halloween party and i'm hanging out there i brought like four or five girls with me and there's all these women surrounding this one table this they were all white women by the way they're all blonde and i was like who is sitting at this table that all these women want to be around fucking orenthal james simpson oj i'm watching all these women around oj the whole time like i want to meet oj can you introduce me to oj oj simpson guys that was a pretty bad thing like this is my point there is no one pays for anything there is no consequences the reason why i bring this up is because you'll have guys i'll be like hey do you want this reason why it's called

the men of action course will you take some action will you fix your social media your profile so that i can help you with your networking and they they're like, ah, by the way, what you do, Instagram is just the first platform. You do the same stuff on TikTok, on Snapchat, on Twitter. And then you do it on LinkedIn also because you want to connect with other people. Are you willing to do that? And they're like, no, I'm afraid of what my mommy thinks. I'm afraid of what my pastor thinks. I'm afraid if I do this, I won't be able to get a job.

And then I'm like, your president, the porn star while his wife was pregnant. And you think that you're not going to get a job because you posted a meme what is wrong with you dude what is wrong with you no you're just afraid to take action right what it is you're just afraid to take action that's all it is 100 yeah michael it's been a blast dude i've learned a lot i'm in a relationship but i feel like this is very educational for a lot of people yeah well the thing is like this when you're in a relationship guys there's still attributes that you need to for your girl to not take you for granted and to continue to find you attractive but those attributes also make other women attracted to you right it's this weird dichotomy where women like live on this tightrope i want

this guy who has all these attributes that i find attractive while at the same time they know other women find those same attributes attractive. Does that make sense? Yeah. And we're not going to get those attributes to you. Cause you gotta, gotta buy us course. Yeah.

You gotta go to that. Any closing comments? Yeah, man. Uh, I have a free course that we just put out. It's on my school server. Okay.

Uh, if you, if anybody's out there and wants the free course, along with a 30 book book list of all the things that we just talked about today, along with 30 perfectly curated Instagram profiles where you just copy and paste. When it comes to fixing your IG, you just copy and paste. If you guys are interested in that, just hit me up, and I will give you access to our free school server. And then if you're interested, if you're just like, hey, fuck that. I just want to buy the course.

I need to get in this course. There's already 500 guys in the course right now. You would just go to mo, fuck that. I just want to buy the course. I need to get in this course. There's already 500 guys in the course right now. You would just go to moamentoring.com if you wanted to join the course. Otherwise, just hit me up and I'll just put you guys in the free school server. Like I said, every single thing I go on, like I said, last week, I went on Fresh and Fit three times, went on with Jedda Diabela, went on with Adam Sosnick, had Pearl Davis on. If you guys want to see the schedule of all the things that we do in the program,

also the invites to Babes in the program, also the invites to Babes in Toyland, Teatro Parties, Maxim Parties, Playboy Parties, Model Citizen Fund, and all those different events, the Bikini Competition at Wet Republic, Swimsuit USA and Paradise Challenge, all of the dates for that are also on our free school

server because we try to get all the guys in our community to come to all these events together. Just hit me up on Instagram and I'll give you'll give you uh access to that nice love it win make sure you become a self-improvement junkie self-improvement is real guys for men woman if you're watching right digital social hour thanks for tuning in see you guys next time peace