Digital Social Hour - The Science Behind Wasabi Method: Heal Smarter, Not Harder | Adam Gavine DSH #1321

Episode Date: April 13, 2025

Adam GavineDiscover *The Science Behind Wasabi Method: Heal Smarter, Not Harder* with Dr. Adam Gavine! 🤩 From the revolutionary use of shockwave therapy to creating lasting physiological changes, learn how the Wasabi Method is transforming recovery and prevention. Whether you're an athlete or just looking to improve your well-being, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won’t want to miss. 💪✨ Dr. Gaven shares his inspiring journey, the collaboration with Dave Asprey, and how this cutting-edge method boosts healing, blood flow, and recovery in ways you’ve never imagined. 🌟 Curious about the science behind it? Get ready to hear about angiogenesis, fibroblast activation, and how this device delivers instant, long-lasting results! 🙌 Tune in now to uncover the secrets of unlocking your body’s full potential. 🚀 Don't miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets! 📺 Hit that subscribe button and join the conversation on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🎙️🔥 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:38 - What's New with You 01:36 - Origin of Wasabi Method 04:35 - Dave Asprey's Impact on Wasabi Method 11:02 - How Wasabi Method Works 12:53 - Understanding Angiogenesis 15:42 - Role of Fibroblasts 16:40 - Duration of Effects 17:46 - Body's Response to Stimulus 19:50 - Future of Wasabi Method 23:25 - Where to Purchase Wasabi 26:50 - Common Issues Treated 28:06 - Reducing Inflammation 28:48 - Compatibility with Other Modalities 30:40 - Finding Wasabi Method Online APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Adam Gavine https://www.instagram.com/wasabi_method/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #emailmarketing #leadgeneration #b2bleadgeneration #socialmediamarketing #seo #shockwaveforshoulderpain #softwavetherapy #shockwavetherapy #radialshockwavetherapy #shockwavetreatmentforshoulderpain

started getting them to exercise, like say, doing push ups, if they started doing push ups every day, would they get stronger? Yeah, doesn't matter that they're 90? No, no. Your physiology will respond as long as your heart still beating. You got pulse. The physiology still responds maybe not as quickly as when you were 20. But it's still there. But it's still there. All right guys, Dr. Adam Gaven here today in Las Vegas from Australia. Yeah, let's go down under. Yep. Long flight. Now I'm up above. Yeah, long flight. So appreciate you coming out.

Yeah, not a problem. I'm glad to be here. Yeah. What's been the latest for you? You just adjusted me and I feel amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we just, we noticed a few things when you

sat down that your posture kind of wasn't ideal. You've been working most of the day. So with a bit of slouching and sitting and stuff like that, you just are a body adapts to these postures. And then I just need to kind of reset you to get everything right again. You can do a lot of exercises and stuff to help with that. So that's what I recommend to patients, clients, and stuff. So if they're at the desk all day, we call them taking micro breaks.

So just doing little things to help reset the musculoskeletal system so that you don't end up like this at the end of the day. They say every hour you're sitting, you should do like a little five minute walk around. Yeah, it doesn't take much. Yeah, that's my problem, because I get glued to my screen. Then four hours goes by,

and next thing you know, my back's in pain. Yeah, exactly. And then you have to pay someone like me to sort you out. Yeah, or a chiropractor, right? Yeah, well, I'm a chiropractor. That's how you started. Yeah, and you kind of developed shockwave therapy from there, right?

Yeah, yeah. Do you want me to explain what that is? Yeah. So my company, Wasabi Method, we sell a device. It's part of, so I'll have to define a couple of things first. So you have shockwave therapy, which are basically acoustic sound waves. And we use them to treat musculoskeletal problems. Actually, the original treatment was for breaking up kidney stones.

It's called lithotripsy. And so there's kind of three different levels of shockwave therapy. So there's like high energy, which is like the lithotripsy, and you have to be put under a general anesthetic to get that because there's no way you could tolerate that amount of pain. So when the energy is high, it breaks down things, You have to be put under a general anesthetic to get that because there's no way you could tolerate that amount of pain. So when the energy is high, it breaks down things. But when you use medium or low energy sound waves,

they cause tissues to heal and repair. And so that's what we use. We call ours a radial pressure wave, which is just a bit lower than a shockwave by definition because shockwaves have a specific kind of definite has to be faster than the speed of sound it has to it has to meet a pressure gradient of 100 millipascals of pressure so my device doesn't get to that level but it still gets in this therapeutic window that causes the physiological changes in the body so

that's really what matters yeah yeah and I've used that device it's amazing. Yeah yeah you've had it. I've had it twice I will say it hurts but afterwards I feel amazing. Yeah yeah and so with the pain if we're gonna talk about the pain it's it should be tolerable and we can we can set the settings so that it can be obviously higher or lower so I'm always checking in with patience to see what you can tolerate. I don't usually like to exceed about a 7 out of 10 on someone's pain scale. Yeah, that makes sense. I think for me, I'm optimistic.

So I just want to fix my problems and deal with it. Yeah, me too. But it works, man. Yeah. And the cool thing is it's almost instantaneous. Like, it's not like the next day you'll feel better. It's like when people hop off the table, they're like, holy crap, that really made a difference. Yeah, no, cause I was coming off, I think a muscle sprain, and then I ran into you guys at A4M,

and I just felt way better after. Yeah, yeah, we have you on our Instagram talking about your experience. Yeah, I think it was in my left shoulder. I like sprained it the week before, and you guys did whatever you do, and it stopped hurting the next day. Yeah, I think it was in my left shoulder. I like sprained it the week before. Yeah. You guys did whatever you do and it stopped hurting the next day.

Yeah, awesome. And did it last? Yeah, it lasted. And I was trying all sorts of weird stuff. I think when I came to you guys, I had a patch on. Yeah. Like a nicotine patch or something. Yeah, yeah.

I remember the video we had of you and you're just smiling going, holy crap. No, I couldn't believe it. And I think I grew an inch too. Yeah, yeah. Well, we had that today too when we worked on you. You're like, going, holy crap. No, I couldn't believe it. And I think I grew an inch too. Yeah, yeah. Well, we had that today too when we worked on you. You're like, oh my god. Like everyone was saying, you look taller.

I'm sure when you guys first met Dave Asprey, similar experience with him. Yeah, well, do you want me to go through the history of it? That'd be a cool story. So Dave is a co-founder with me on Wasabi Method. And I used to be part of his online group, the Upgrade Collective and living in Australia it was painful because he would do the the zoom calls at 3 in the morning for me. So I'd have to get

up at you know just before 3 and I'd be super tired on a weekday. That's when people sleep. Yeah exactly. I wouldn't go every week because some weeks I'm like, no, I can't I can't be smashed tomorrow. But I would get up and listen to the podcast. And then one day they were talking about shockwave. And I put up my hand and said, you know, I work for one of the biggest shockwave companies in the world, and I'm one of their lead instructors. So they would send me all around the world to teach doctors and practitioners how to use this device. So I've been to China, I've been to Indonesia, I've been to Korea, I've been to Malaysia, and I've taught throughout Australia for the past... I worked for them for about 14 years. So I learned a ton about this device. And so with Dave, he was interested,

because the company I was working with was just getting FDA approval for their radial shockwave device here in the States, because before about six years ago, they can only use shockwave on plantar fascia problems. I think it was tennis elbow. So you'd had this $25,000 device that you could only use for two conditions. So a lot of the practitioners are like, well, I'm not going to spend that kind of money,

unless you had a practice that that's all you were doing, which is pretty rare. So it was really restrictive. So they found basically a way around it. So now it's a class one device. So it's kind of considered almost like a massage device. So I told him that they have a new device and it's going to have FDA approval and we can sell it to anyone. Whereas the devices before you had to be a practitioner. So this new device, because it's a class one, we could sell to anyone.

So that was the really cool thing about it. So he was really excited about that. We came up with like a business plan for this company. I told them, you know, we were gonna be selling probably about $2 million worth, and we had a few meetings with them, and I wasn't hearing back from them. I'm going, like, that's kind of weird.

You think Dave Astry's a big deal. So finally they got back to me and they're like, oh yeah, we don't want to partner with you guys. And I'm going, you don't want $2 million extra revenue a year? Like, you don't have to do anything. I'm going to do all the work. And I remember what the top guy said. He goes, I can't remember if I've told Dave this,

but he'll find out now. They go, we don't want to be associated with a volatile influencer. So he was too much of a rebel for them. Dave was? Yeah. So it wasn't me. I'm like, I've worked for you for 14 years.

You're happy to send me around the world to teach the smartest people around about your device, but you don't want to partner with me when I'm going to sell your device. And it was because of Dave. So I was like, okay. So we went to their competitor, the next biggest company. And they were like, oh yeah, you guys sound legit. We'd like to do this, but you have no sales, like no sales experience, so we can't make you a distributor

because you have no sales experience. And we're like, well, how about you trial us for like six months, we have no sales experience and we're like well how about you trial us for like six months we get some sale experience and then we go we move from there and they're like no can't be done and I was like oh shit so so then I'm I don't know what to do now because because basically the two biggest companies in the world that I wanted to be with are saying no to us. Yeah. So, one of my friends, Raheel, told me about this other company and we approached them and he was like, hell yeah, I'll partner up with you.

And so we partnered up with them and the kind of the rest is history. But it's worked out so much better. Wow. Because we have autonomy now, we can do what we want Like I we pick the colors we pick the name. Mm-hmm, and that's you know, I think that the name wasabi is pretty catchy You know too many people forget our name when we're at conferences. Yeah, what was the origin story with the name? Is it because wasabi is such a powerful substance? Yeah, well it was Dave Dave came up with it and I remember at the time when he mentioned

it to me, I think we were gonna call it like American shockwave or something, something pretty standard. And he came up with this and I remember going, oh my god, I don't like that. And I sat with it, you know, he studied at Wharton. So in my head, I'm going, I have to trust this guy. You know, he's got eight or nine successful businesses. He went to Wharton. He knows what he's doing. So I was like, okay, let's do it. And I'm so glad that we did.

Because it's a good name, man. Yeah, because everybody likes it. But I kind of, we're looking for a tagline, but usually what we say, it's spicy, but it's good, like wasabi. Yeah. You get the spice from it, but it's enjoyable. I love it.

And the service is so good that I feel like you don't have to do much marketing. No, it's- Your customers will just tell other people. Yeah, yeah, because when you experience it at one of our booths, or if you it at one of our booths or if you go to it one like one of our practitioners that Use our device. It's I Don't have to tell you I just have to show you like once you experience it like you have

You get it. Oh, right. I don't have to sit there and talk to you. You're like I get it Yeah, it's it'd be too hard to explain. Yes. It's almost like ineffable. Yeah Yeah, it's better just to start doing it on someone Yes, you won't be able to tell them. Yeah, cuz some people are just like they're like tell me what it does How it works? I'm like, do you really want me to go into all the physics and physiology? Or do you want me to just do it and then you'll experience it and they're like, okay, just do it Yeah, and then they're they always leave smiling. Yeah, absolutely. There are a lot of benefits to it though, right? Yeah. Other than pain?

Oh yeah. So in terms of physiology, it has about 19 physiological effects on the body. And some of them are really fascinating. When I went on Dave's podcast last year, I talked a lot about all the physiological changes that occur. And what I did when after we posted the podcast is I put peer-reviewed journals that validated everything I had. Because I knew people would be writing in, go on bullshit, whatever.

And I was like, okay. So everything I said, I had studies. And we can probably do the same here because I know people will probably do the same thing. We'll link it in the video, yeah? Yeah, so I'm all about the research because I'm actually doing my master's of research at the University of Sydney in Australia. So I'm all about the research and like I read studies almost daily and yeah, I'm happy to share them. So because I want people not to just take me at

my word. I'm like, yeah, I want you to fact-check me Yeah, you know because maybe I missed something or maybe I misinterpreted something or maybe I didn't Use the proper terms to describe it yeah and apologize if I if I do that, but like anyone I'm not infallible and You know, we always learning and growing no that's respect. It's a lot of the biohacking space I love the biohacking space, but a lot of it doesn't have the research yet. Yeah. Some of the modalities.

Yeah, and instead of admitting that, they almost try and cover it up. They're like, oh, well, there was one study that showed this and it's like, yeah, that's like... The cool thing with this, because it's been around for like 35 years, there's loads and loads of peer-reviewed journals. And you can access it. You just go on, you can do a Google Scholar search or a PubMed search and you can find how it works on so many things. So going back to your original question, one of the really cool things that it does is

it causes angiogenesis. And what that is, it's the new formation of blood vessels. So it releases, it causes the body to release a growth factor called VEGF, which stands for Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor. When you release that in the body, it tells the body on the spot you worked on, so say I worked on your elbow, it tells your body to grow new blood vessels in that area. And that's a permanent change. So once your body grows these new capillaries and stuff, that's there forever, right?

So a lot of musculoskeletal problems that people have, a lot of it's due to hypoxia, which is lack of oxygen, which is due to lack of blood flow. So if we're changing the blood flow in your elbow, that's gonna Continue to be a thing for you for essentially the rest of your life That's important because as you get older you have blood flow issues, right? Yes, it takes longer to recover from injuries Yeah, a lot of people do and and Dave always tells me to you know remind people It's even if you don't have a problem per se

Like you don't have pain or dysfunction that you're aware of, you're still going to have areas of your body that aren't getting adequate blood flow, or at least maybe not as good as it was when you were younger. Because when we're young, we heal so well. Like I tell some of my patients, like if they bring their kids that are under 14 or whatever, I'm like your kid will heal and twice twice as fast as you will the same injury Right, you know, it's incredible you watch these kids and they just and we're all kind of designed to heal that way Yeah, but as we age

Blood flow becomes a bit of a problem to some of these areas Also, we have we keep building up toxins We were talking earlier about all the toxins and everything nowadays. So that every trip around the sun, as we get older, you accumulate more and more and more. And then that affects our systems, our detox systems. And then our bodies, instead of just being able to heal the injury you have, is also it's fighting all these battles on different fronts. So it's fighting off all these toxins, fighting off all these viruses and bacteria and parasites

and all this stuff. And then it also has to fix your elbow. So it has to allocate resources to all these things. But if you were super healthy, and you didn't have all these toxins in your body, and you weren't exposed to all these diseases and bacteria and viruses and stuff, your body would be able to allocate a lot more resources and time to healing your elbow and it would get much better, much faster. Yeah, because you see certain athletes have the same injury, but some recover way quicker.

Yes, yeah. It's all about recovery nowadays. So that's one of the big ones. Another one is it causes the proliferation of what are called fibroblasts. So there's their cells that they kind of go around the body and clean things things up. So think of them almost like repairmen in your body. So a lot of people are like, oh you break up scar tissue with with the radio waves or shock waves. It's not really what's happening. It's more that I'm stimulating the body to create more of these repairmen, the fibroblasts, and then the fibroblasts clean up the mess. Yeah, so it's imagine me telling your

body make more carpenters and plumbers and electricians come in here and renovate this area. Yeah. And the cool thing with that as well is it doesn't just work on the day I treat you. It the next day the day after a week later a month later Which is really cool because they showed one study that They did one treatment and they had physiological changes that were measurable up to three months later Yeah, so it's like, you know when you put fertilizer on your lawn. Yeah, you know, it doesn't work Just that day it works the next day in the next month kind of thing so this last for three months Yeah, one treatment. Holy so when you're you're

Adding it's an additive effect. So it's not just today when you get treated in two days time It's keeps it's accumulating. That's impressive. Yeah Yeah, a lot of athletes and just ordinary people could definitely benefit from doing this once every three months, I'd imagine. Yeah, yeah, just even like what we're saying, you don't need to have pain or a condition. It's preventative. Like most people, I say, especially men,

I get all these men, they're like, oh, if it ain't broken kind of thing, don't fix it. And I'm like, do you take your car to the mechanic? And they're like, yeah. I'm like, why do'm like do you take your car to the mechanic and they're like, yeah I'm like, why do you do that? Is your car broken when you do that? And they're like, no, I do it So my car doesn't break down on the way to work and I'm like, okay, so you do that with your car Why wouldn't you do that with your body? Yeah, okay At least with a car like if the car breaks down you could actually buy a new one

You can't buy a new body. All right, so you really got to take care of the one that you have. And even the cool thing is we're made up of living tissues. And so I can make the next level of tissues or the next generation of tissues in your body healthier, stronger, more resilient than the previous one. Even if you're 90 years old. Really? Right, well think of it. If I took a 90 year old and I started, who wasn't exercising at all,

and I started getting them to exercise, or like say doing pushups, if they started doing pushups every day, would they get stronger? Yeah. Does it matter that they're 90? No. No.

Your physiology will respond. As long as your heart's still beating You got a pulse. Mm-hmm. The physiology still responds. Maybe not as quickly as when you were 20 But it's still there. And so I a lot of people they almost give up on themselves. They're like, oh, I'm broken I'm too damaged. I've had too many injuries. I have too many illnesses. I'm like you can always Improve on things. You don't have to be stuck with pain and dysfunction and and a

Shitty life because you can't do what you what you want to do. You can always go better But the key is having someone guide you that knows how the systems work. Like myself, a lot of patients, they'll go and wanna exercise and they go too hard. They're like, go from being couch potatoes to like, I'm gonna work out five days a week. That doesn't work. Your body can't adapt that quickly and you will end up with an overuse injury.

So it helps to have, find someone that you know knows their stuff and work with them. And then they'll design a program that will do the steps. have find someone that you know knows their stuff and work with them and then they'll design a program that will do the steps you know you got a walk and then you can run and then you can sprint yeah and just go straight into sprinting because you're gonna you're gonna end up with problems oh yeah New Year's at the gym yeah a lot of people that I get out with patients yeah they all come in oh I

went too hard at the gym or I went too often and then they can't go the next week because they went too hard the first week Yeah, it's it's a mental game too man. I noticed when I lift with friends. It's way easier by myself Why do you think that is I think in your it's easy to make excuses when you're by yourself, dude You have no one to hold you accountable You know yeah hundred percent yeah, but but you find it's also Kind of the camaraderie thing you know like when you're suffering with others. It's not so bad bond. Yeah, yeah, no that too plus I'm competitive. Oh, yeah I'm lifting with someone I try to match them or do better. You know yeah

Yeah, it makes it makes it fun. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely man. Well, what's next for you guys? You're gonna be at Dave's event next month Yeah, so we have the the biohacking conference coming up at the end of May We have a big double booth there this year nice So we're gonna be offering free treatments if people want to come and try wasabi method out will explain it. Well, it's It's there's a few contraindications. So you have to make sure that you don't have any contraindications. Some of them are like pregnancy, if you're under 18 years old, if you're on blood thinners, or if you have like hemophilia,

which is basically a blood clotting problem. Things like DVTs, if you've had a cortisone injection, but even with that, like say you had the left shoulder done, I could still work on the right shoulder. Okay else um and then with that after six weeks. I can work on that area Other things like if you have a like a tumor so say say you had a thyroid tumor Yeah, I can work on other spots like I can work on your foot got it as long as I'm because with with some of the physiology It increases these growth factors mmm if I went on your tumor I don't want to make it grow more. Oh my gosh. Okay

So so that's why it's contraindicated but it um, I can still work on other bits So that's cool. Yeah, as long as you don't have any of those contraindications, um, it's it's fun. It's super safe Yeah, as I said when I go through these studies It's one of the safest things out there. Like I do seminars and stuff and there's one study that I bring up and it was a meta-analysis, which is a form of a systematic review. So it looks at randomized controlled trials.

So this one particularly was on the knee, looking at knee osteoarthritis. It had included 19 randomized controlled trials and almost 2,000 patients. And there was zero side effects. Damn. Which is unheard of. Like, I asked at a talk I gave the other day, I said, have you ever seen a medical study with almost 2,000 patients where there was zero side effects? No. And everyone's like, no.

It's unheard of. Like, I almost expect people to get up and do a standing ovation when I say that, because I'm like, is no one getting this? Medical study in side effect. Yeah, yeah. Like, the worst thing usually that occurs is you might be a little red. You might be a little sore.

You might have a little inflammation. Those are really it. And then that tends to go away away in 24 48 hours for most people. That's crazy Yeah, the benefits just seem to outweigh the risk tremendously. Oh, yeah, it's not it's not even close. Yeah, it's not even close And I'm all about that. That's why I usually don't take pills because yeah usually it's the opposite like the risk outweighs the benefit Yeah, yeah, and then there's the cost. Yeah. Well, you know that Nothing's for free and the same with my device It's it's it's not free but compared to a lot of other Treatments it's it's really cost-effective. I bet these yes, man when I go to the spot I got a massage now

It's like 150 bucks. Yeah, and that's just them raising their hands. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah inflation Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Where can people get this is it in almost every state at this point? Yeah, so you can get it anywhere in the United States We're we will ship it directly to you and again one of the things I didn't mention was the reason we call it was Salby method is because It's a whole there's a whole method behind it a we call it wasabi method is because it's a whole there's a whole method behind it a Lot of our competitors they'll just send you sell you the device like when I got my device I had a salesperson show me how to use it. Mm-hmm. So he had no steeping and biomechanics physiology pathology

Anatomy he was like this is how you turn it on. That's how you use it. That's how you clean it This is how you turn it off. He's like, this is how you turn it on, this is how you use it, this is how you clean it, this is how you turn it off. He was like, good luck. And again, this was one of the biggest companies in the world. And they've been doing this for, even when I got it 16 years ago, they'd been doing it since the early 90s.

And so I kept thinking, this should be done better. It should be someone with knowledge that's used it, that has knowledge of anatomy, biomechanics, physiology, pathology, all these things. And so that's what I've done. So I've developed education modules that we sell with our device that pretty much none of the other competitors do. Smart. So we have, so I've done upper body.

So I go through all the muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints in the upper body, well, pretty much most of them. And then we do lower body. And then we have a men's sexual health module, we have a women's sexual health module, and then we have advanced techniques. So that's like, you can actually treat things like So that's like, you can actually treat things like wounds. So if someone has like a diabetic ulcer or a pressure wound from lying in bed for too long, you can treat that. There are certain protocols you have to follow

to treat that. You can treat burn victims. So it really helps with the skin after they've been burnt. Things like cellulite, helps with cellulite. It helps with, because like I said, it helps with collagen. So you can actually treat your face to help with skin, stuff like that. What else am I missing?

Lymphedema, which is a condition where the lymphatic system doesn't work very well and people's legs really swell up. It's really difficult to treat. So with this, different from so the main way of treating that is they put like these, you know, those compression boots that they put on people and you lie down, you pull up these long things. Yeah, the sleeves, right? Yeah, they like balancer pro. Yeah. So that's one of the main ways of treating it. But again, with ours, we're causing all these growth factors

so I'm telling your body to make new veins and New lymphatics. So you're the ones that are broken are not functioning Your body will grow new ones to bypass it Then that'll start work. So it's really cool when you're like because you're you're instead of just treating the symptom you're you're essentially treating cause I'm I'm making your physiology I'm changing your physiology in a permanent way to make it work better so you don't have to go and get the compress in boots you know or you might not have to go as often yeah that's impressive you could tell the body to create more veins basically. Yeah, it's called neo-vascularization. I'll link some studies that show that.

Wow, which area of the body are you seeing the most issues in with your patients? Well, I predominantly treat musculoskeletal stuff. So, tendons is the big one. So, in terms of the literature for tendons, it has about an 80 to 85% success rate on most tendons. I'll put up some studies for this. But that's huge, because tendon problems are notoriously bad at getting better, or they come back often. So people that have like tennis elbow, even if their pain goes away, it often comes back, like in the vast majority of cases again

that's because they're not necessarily fixing the problem they're treating the symptoms but they're not changing the blood flow they're not changing the physiology in the area so that's what we're trying to do so that you get a lasting effect. That's the one MLB pitchers have right tennis elbow Yeah, well, it's it's a common they get a lot of shoulder issues Yeah, so they get they get a lot of rotator cuff issues. So that's that's the common one They get yeah a lot of wear and tear when you're pitching that fast. Yeah hundred games a year Yeah, yeah, and the cool thing is like they can get this done Yeah. 100 games a year.

Yeah, yeah. And the cool thing is, like, they can get this done straight after. And it's going to, the other cool thing I didn't mention was that it decreases inflammation. Really? Yeah. Wow.

So when I treat an area, it causes, it stimulates the nociceptors, which are pain-sensitive nerve endings in the area. They release this chemical called substance P. That is a pain-s sensitive chemical in your body. And the way it works, you ever eat like really spicy food and your mouth kind of burns and then it kind of goes numb after a while? So that's your, the capsaicin is releasing this substance P.

And that causes a decrease in what's called neurogenic inflammation. So it has a direct effect on this inflammatory pathway. So it down regulates that. And the other cool thing is you can use it with other modalities, things like like say laser or photobiomodulation. It works on the COX2 pathway, which is a different inflammatory pathway. So you're getting, you're hitting it from two angles and you get a really really awesome synergistic effect so we tell people we don't sit there and go all you if you buy my device it's the only thing you need it will fix everything I don't have

that approach at all because in my clinic I use a bunch of modalities oh really yeah so like I I'm a chiropr, so I'll do I'll do manipulations or Mobilizations, I do some myofascial work. I'll do some what's called instrument assisted soft tissue It's like those blades that you see them working on people. Oh, yeah, you see Yeah, so things like that. I do kinesio tape You know I do kinesio tape, you know, shockwave obviously. So all these things, I'm hitting it from multiple angles to get the body to respond.

It's just, think of it as more of a, there's signals I'm putting into the body. The more signals I'm putting into the body, the more the body kind of responds. If it's the appropriate one. So that's where you gotta know what works and what doesn't work. And everyone's a little bit different. Like some people will respond really well to Wasabi Method and some people it only make a little difference. Really? Yeah. But everyone's, it's a

spectrum right? So though it's like where are you on the spectrum? Yeah I think I'm really well for me. Yeah yeah yeah some people if they'll respond really well, but also it It's more about how healthy you are too. You know if you're at you know if you take care of yourself You'll get a better result because your body the physiology just responds. Mmm. That makes sense. Yeah, Dr. Adam. It's been a pleasure Where can people find wasabi method and learn more about you as well? So we're quite good with Instagram. So we're at Wasabi Method. So wasabi underscore method. And we have a website wasabimethod.com. So if anyone wants to contact us through there

or just wants to learn more about our device, we'll get back to you. You can email us at info at wasabimethod.com. or just want to learn more about our device, or we'll get back to you, you can email us at info at wasalbemethod.com. And yeah, I welcome any questions or concerns or comments that people have. Beautiful, check them out guys, it's definitely helped me out. So, highly recommend it. See you guys next time.