Digital Social Hour - The Secret to Exploding Your Twitter Engagement | Elf DSH #1316

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

🚀 Ready to discover "The Secret to Exploding Your Twitter Engagement"? This Digital Social Hour episode with Sean Kelly is packed with jaw-dropping stories, insider tips, and epic moments you don��t want to miss! 🎙️ Join us as our guest pulls back the curtain on how they skyrocketed their Twitter presence, turning niche content and consistent posting into massive engagement. 📈 From the craziest Twitter beefs to a behind-the-scenes look at upcoming influencer boxing matches, this episode is pure gold. 🥊💻 You'll also hear wild tales about sports betting strategies, navigating lawsuits, and building a loyal online community—all delivered with humor and authenticity. 😄 Whether you're a social media enthusiast, a sports betting fan, or just love a good story, this episode has it all. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation in the comments and let us know your favorite moment! 💬 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:29 - Elf’s Fight Camp 05:00 - Prolon Discount Code 05:56 - Elf’s Beef with Sean Perry 10:04 - Growing Your Twitter Following 10:51 - Understanding Twitter Algorithm 11:35 - Engaging Twitter Spaces Audience 12:46 - Expanding Twitter Spaces Reach 16:15 - Defamation Cases Overview 17:51 - Cash Out King Insights 20:33 - Additional Defamation Cases 21:42 - Anxiety from Legal Issues 23:52 - Selling Picks in the Market 25:55 - Limitations of Betting Books 28:35 - Daily Betting Strategies 30:02 - Substitution Angle in Betting 35:08 - March Madness & Super Bowl Arbitrage 40:30 - Spanky: Top US Sports Bettor 41:44 - Identifying Betting Edges 45:58 - Advantage Play in Table Games 47:51 - Challenges of Selling Picks 49:18 - Josh's Pushup Challenge 56:33 - Future Plans for Mattress King 1:00:57 - Where to Find Elf 1:01:35 - Outro APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Elf https://www.instagram.com/yelff__/ https://www.instagram.com/theelfshow_/ https://x.com/yElff_ SPONSORS: PROLON: http://prolonlife.com/DSH LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #howtogrowonx #twittermarketing #socialmediamarketing #boosttwitterengagement #howtomonetizeyouraudience #arbitragestrategy #socialmediamanager #twittermarketing #arbitrage #prizepicks

like that so that's I got a lot of hate early on in my career when I first came to Twitter because I was leaking edges like I was like streaming live arbitrage calling it an infinite money glitch and all these pros are like what the fuck are you doing? That's their livelihood. That's their livelihood and I didn't I had a full-time job I was just loving life you know so it is what it is right? It is what it is, right? All right, we got Elf in the building. What's up? How we doing? We played some basketball last night.

We did, yeah. I'm not a big baller, but I did pretty well. You had a couple of nice layups. I did, yeah, until I got hurt, rolled the ankle a little bit. Your boy was sniping too. He was, yeah. We had a good squad.

Yeah, we did troll the first, we lost the first game, but we came back and won the second one. a little bit. Your boy was sniping too. He was, yeah. We had a good squad. Yeah, we did troll. We lost the first game, but we came back and won the second one, so all good there. Absolutely, man. Out here in Vegas for a month now, right? Yeah, out here for a month. Fight camp, fight camp.

I'm fighting Sean Perry in a month. It's my first boxing fight. And yeah, I'm ready to go. I mean, I can't stand that guy. He's like the one person on earth that I actually have beef with that I don't like enjoy speaking with. I'm a nice kid but Sean Perry just I can't stand him at all. So he's like the one person I'll fight. And at first you guys were cordial right? He used to hop on your spaces and you were chill. Yeah he used to hop on the spaces. You know I

didn't realize that like no one really likes him here in Vegas until people started complaining about him being on the show all the time. And initially, so we were friends because he would come on the show and we would talk, right? I have a Twitter show. And he was beefing with a famous gambler named Mazzy. And Dez Brian was on this space

and they were talking shit to each other as most people do on my show. And then they're like, fuck it, let's just fight each other. Like why are we talking? Let's just fight. So we all booked a flight the next day to Vegas. Well they live in Vegas, I booked a flight from Boston, Dez Bryant booked a flight. We went to this gym and watched them fight. So I was in Vegas, that was the first time I ever went to Vegas, that was March 18th. So pretty recent. And we watched them fight,

and it was one of my biggest shows ever. It has like 600,000 views on my Twitter page, so it was a big show for me. And yeah, it was awesome, it was great content, it was the first fight from gambling Twitter to occur. And yeah, it was a big event. Who do you think won that fight? I mean, Perry won for sure.

I mean, Mazzie, there are some memes of him like stuck in between the ring and the wall. I've never seen anything like it. I'll give Perry his flowers. He won that fight. He's not gonna be me. There's no chance. And he's also probably not gonna make weight

because he's like fat now. He's like really fat out of shape. He doesn't take his health seriously at all. So he's gonna make weight. So he's probably gonna fat out of shape. He doesn't take his health seriously at all. So he's gonna make weight So he's probably not he's probably gonna forfeit the purse So my my backers might get free-rolled, but he won the fight against mazzi. So yeah his shirtless videos are wild Yeah, it's sure. I don't know why he post shirtless videos and my least favorite ones are the one in his spandex We could see his camel toe. I have to see one more camel toe photo of champagne. I think I'm gonna kill myself

I can't do it Yeah, when did the actual beef start was after the mozzie fight? It was yeah, it was after the mozzie fight I mean we were cool. You know he was putting me up in the in the Rio He sponsored one of my shows for ten thousand dollars gave me cash We gambled it on a show and I made one point five K with the 10 K You know, it was fine. We were cool and I'm'm trying to, they're trying to rematch, right, for 500k, and Perry wants him to like sign a contract and do all this like stuff, official,

Mazzy doesn't want to do any of that. He wants to bring 500k to the gym, so they're kind of like both avoiding each other. Perry's like, sign the contract, Mazzy's like, bring the cash, and I'm the host of the show, right, and it's all going down on my show, so I'm trying to mediate this, this mess. And Perry keeps talking over everyone.

He's talking over Des Brian, he's talking over Mazzy, and no one else can get a word in. So I kicked him from the space temporarily, and then once I did that, he just crashed out on me on Twitter. He's like, this little boy elf is a clown, like I made him, which is just not true at all. He's like delusional, he thinks he makes everyone

he interacts with. My show was fine before him. He called, yeah, he's just so disrespectful to me on Twitter and he's just talking shit and I start firing back and he doesn't know how to, he doesn't know how to like, be, it's, with him it's either you're his friend or you're his enemy. So once I was his friend and then I kicked him

from the space just so other people can speak, now I'm his enemy. And then we called on the phone and there was like videos being leaked of him and stuff like that. He's like, do you know anything about these? I was like, no, I don't. And then we started fighting on the phone for like an hour. And I'm like, I was like, fuck you dude, let's just fight.

Like, let's just hop in the ring. You know what I mean? You and Masi did it, let's do it. And he said he's down so so I'm training now. I'm training with the number 14 fighter in the US Angel barrient as for the bantamweight. He's training me. I got some good training I got a good work ethic if we fought tomorrow Sean would kill me, but we're fighting in a month So he's fucked long work weeks and busy weekends can leave you feeling and looking depleted That's where pro long comes in their five day fasting mimicking diet is backed by science and works at the cellular level

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He's got more training than me at the moment. But in a month, all that won't matter. Because I'm more athletic than him, so I'll be good. Were you athletic growing up? Yeah, I was. Yeah, I played Academy Soccer on the top New York team called New York Soccer Club. So a few of my teammates are now professional players.

Like the Sands twins, I played with them. Dante Pulvaro plays in Europe. These are my teammates. You had good cardio. Great cardio, yeah. And boxing's all all cardio but it's a different type of cardio than Sake. Right. Very very different you know because you know you get hit in the face your cardio drops like half you know what I mean like oh I got a minor concussion now you know so I've been sparring people and they just

been kicking my ass for like three rounds and I'm like wow like that hurt you know what I mean but it's all part of the game. I was talking to my coach and he's like, it's like touching a hot stove. If you touch the hot stove once, you're not gonna do it again, right? So that's the idea. You spar, you get hit, you learn, rinse and repeat.

It's the fundamentals. Everyone's calling him out now. I wonder if he'll fight you and fight others. I don't know what the deal is. Everyone wants to fight him. No one likes this guy at all. Literally everyone wants to fight him, but they gotta wait their turn after me. You know what I mean?

So you're up first for sure? I'm next, yeah. Unless Mazzi wants to fight before our fight, then he's got all reign. But they want to do it for 500k, and like I said, Sean's not gonna bring half a million liquid to a gym in Vegas. It's just not smart.

It's not smart. It's not only smart, because he's saying Mazzi might rob him, but someone else in Vegas. It's just not smart. It's not smart. It's not only smart, because he's saying like Mozi might rob him, but someone else in Vegas might rob him. 100%. Like if you have a million liquid in a gym in Vegas, who's to stop like some like gang to roll up, just run the place, leave with a mill

and just take their chances. Like why not? People would do that. People do that for less. Way less. Way less. Probably 100k people would do that. Yeah. So I mean, unless you're going to hire a ton of security, then you don't do that. People would do that for less. Way less. Way less. Probably 100K people would do that. Yeah.

So I mean, unless you're going to hire a ton of security, then you don't do that. And I was like to Sean, you know, I have connections to every single sports book and casino in the US. Like that's how I do things. Cause you have a show, people want to sponsor it. They want that exposure.

So I have good relationships with a lot of casinos. So I was like, okay, if you want, we could do, I'm just bouncing ideas. I'm like, if you want, we can bring the 500K to Circa or something like that, put it in the booth, and the winner can walk away with it. You know what I mean? Like get Benson involved.

And they just didn't want to do any of that. They're not even open negotiation. It's either contract through a lawyer or cash. Both aren't gonna happen. So you're in a standstill. And then for me, Perry's like, I'll fight you for a hundred K, right? I said, okay, I don't have a hundred K liquid to fight you, but I'll put up 10 K on myself and then I'll get some backers, right? So

I'm like, okay, I'll sign the contract tomorrow. You know, send the contract. He hasn't sent the contract. He keeps texting me that he's down. He says his rib hurts. I'm like, all right, whatever, bro. But he said he's a hundred down to fight. So yeah, and I'll put up 100k I'll get a backers easily. So where you guys doing it? Probably pound for pound pound for pound in Vegas. Is that where the Mazzy one was? That was where the Mazzy one was Yeah, they'll be completely set up so that they have a whole streaming set up like the only person streaming the Mazzy one was me On my phone Twitter spaces. So that's like the beauty of Twitter spaces is there's so many speakers.

So if you hop on my show and you're speaking and people like you, they'll click on your page and they'll look at it like what you do and stuff like that. So it incentivizes other people to speak. And larger accounts will hop in, they'll speak, they'll get a clip and then they'll leave. And I encourage that, you know what I mean? So I was streaming the whole fight

and there's 10 speakers. We have like full commentary almost and a stream of the fight without just on my phone. You know what I mean? So I was the only one streaming it. And then there was stuff on YouTube, TikTok afterwards. But live, I was the only person streaming it. For my fight, there'll be like a live stream,

like a proper one. I'm getting commentators. Like there's- You should get Kick or Rumble involved or something. Yeah, I'm down. I mean, we'll see what we can do with the sponsors. I mean, you have good connects, but I'm getting Jeff Nadu to commentate, like former Barstool guy.

There's this guy, The Beak, who comes on my show all the time. He's got like a funny voice. He's going to commentate. So we're going to make it a spectacle. That'll be cool. It'll be fun, but I'm taking this very seriously. Yeah. Now, how'd you grow your Twitter?

Cause you quit your job two months ago. Yeah, I quit my job. Yeah, and I had a good job. So I was an actuary. I was making good money, like working at a large insurance company, like very cozy job. So it was definitely difficult quitting,

but it was once that I started making more from content was when I started, it was when I quit my job. That was the key. So yeah, it was when I quit my job. That's that was the key. Um So yeah, I mean I grew my Twitter Twitter loves just like consistency so if you post a lot on Twitter and You kind of find your niche So like my niche was advantage gambling at first and now I've branched down to this Twitter show and that's when my page I guess like exploded like the algorithm loves me. Like I can't like I have like 17k followers

I can't tweet and not get like 50k. Yes, you know what I mean? So the algorithm loves me, but um Twitter just rewards consistency They'll put you in a niche and like, you know based on how people react to your content. They'll keep pushing it out So the way I really grew my Twitter was from these shows, right? And I have like I could just if I wanted, just like spam giveaways, like follow, retweet, but like those aren't real organic followers. Like a real organic following is worth way more than just like a large number on a screen. So I grew it just by grinding the app,

posting good content, stuff that I know my followers will engage with, and doing a show. And people love the show. Like the engagement on the show is like through the roof. So that's the real way I grew up. It was through the show. I'll hop in sometimes and you'll have a thousand live people. That's insane.

Yeah, it's nuts. That's more than celebrities get on Instagram live. Yeah, it's insane. And there's like a running joke where like, I'm always like, oh, go follow the LFE Instagram, but no one wants to leave Twitter. They just love the Twitter show. So yeah, I mean, the show is great because it's not just me.

Like, we're doing a podcast. My show, there'll be probably 20 to 30 unique speakers during one show. And everyone knows, like my loyal listeners, they know all these characters that come in and speak. Right? Like, there'll be people that come in and they're like, oh, this guy's a conspiracy theorist. Like, I he's about to like stir up some drama or something like that and he'll say something ridiculous and then

I'll bring on people who I know hate this guy and then they'll start with him and like the way I really grew my show from like Bottom-up was if there was somebody talking about somebody on my show in a negative way I would be on the side DMing that person. I would send them a link to my space and be like, bro, this guy just said you're a scammer. He just said you stole a thousand dollars from this dude. And then that would bait that person in, right? And then imagine someone's talking shit about this person and I'm like, oh no, here he is.

Let's bring him up. So I bring him up and then the viewers like oh, no, here we go Like it's about to be a war and then there is war that happened with Sean Perry and Mickey Mace, right? I was Sean Perry Mickey Mace. Yeah, they were going at it. I could tell the full story if you want Yeah, so Sean Perry was crashing out on Twitter about Mickey Mace because he wanted to do a podcast with Mickey Mace and Mickey Mace wanted to charge him. That was it That was the only reason so then Sean took that and said, okay I'm allowed to slander your name slander your casino slander all your like sponsors and stuff like that

So and by the way, I was smaller account at the time, right? so Sean reaches I reach out to Sean and booked a show and Then someone on my team reached out to Mickey, and we're like, listen, Mickey, this guy's gonna come on the show and say things about you. If you want, we want you to come on and defend your name. We don't wanna just have one-sided an argument. Like I said, if someone's talking about someone,

they deserve a right to speak on it. So we reached out to Mickey, and Mickey was like, okay, I'll do your show, Elf, on one condition. The one condition is that Sean Perry can never come on your show, ever again, right? So I'm like, all right, deal. And this guy, and Perry was leaking my texts on Twitter. He leaked my phone number on Twitter.

I'm like, what is going on? I have people texting and calling me like, yo, Elf, your number got leaked. I'm like, all right, fuck this guy. We're doing the Mickey Mouse show, you know what I mean? So, and I'm not on good terms with Sean Perry at this time So this is not the first time I beef with him now Mickey Mase comes on the show great show electric show the guys like

Amazing to listen to telling crazy stories about like peeing in girls mouths like my viewers loved it And then he leaves and we're still alive, right and I had 1500 people live for on that show And then he leaves and we're still live right and I had 1,500 people live for on that show Book it with Trent's on the show Jack Mack from Barstow's on the show Jeff Nadeau's there and we have like a few sharps as well because you know, I'm a sharp gambler and Book it with Trent with 300,000 followers gets a call from Perry and he's like I'm on the phone with a red-hot Sean Perry We need to bring him on the show and I'm like, no, I can't. Like I gave Mickey my word. You know what I mean?

And there's 1500 people watching my show, like my loyal listeners. And Trent goes, okay, if you don't do the show, I'm gonna do the show with Perry. And I'm like, and he's like, I wanna borrow Jack Mack, Nadu and Man in the Vague. And all of them said they're down. So I'm like, oh my God.

Like, do I literally risk losing my whole show right now or do I break my word to Mickey Mace? You know what I mean? And keep in mind, Mickey was so respectful, so nice, gave me an opportunity and came on my show. He's much bigger than me. So I let Perry on and I like, literally I like left the room. I wasn't even involved with it

I just let them all go at it I was like ashamed of myself almost like for letting him on but it was like In my I'm not justifying it because I did break my word to Mickey But it was like in my opinion it was like survival of the show Versus like my word so I was like backed into a corner like you're risking losing your entire cast You can't do that. So that was the only time I broke my word. And that was kind of the Mickey May story.

How, you know, we're not on good terms at the moment. So yeah, kind of sucked. That's when the grape allegations started too. That is when the grape allegations started with Sean. And yeah, the next day Mickey came back and made Sean address those grape allegations. And he said he wasn't even aware of any of them and took a lie detector test About it. And yeah, that's all I'll say about that. It's yeah, there's nothing else for me to say

Really? That was the first defamation case you got hit with? No, that was the second so I was threatened to be sued for defamation if I was going for slander defamation by Sean if I released the episode with this girl, I was gonna bring the girl on, Mickey Mace back on, and I called my lawyer and I was like, am I allowed to do this episode? Because she doesn't have a police report,

she doesn't have, there's no factual basis to her claim. Whether the claim is true or not, it doesn't matter. She can come on and tell the complete truth. If she doesn't have a police report, unfortunately, like I'll get sued. So that's what my attorney said. And Sean is texting me, he's like, if you do the show tonight, I'm suing the fuck out of you.

And he's serious, like he has the money to do it. I don't have the money to compete with him in a lawsuit. So my attorney's like, I was like, can I get sued for this? Like I'm not even the one saying anything. He's like, it's not a matter of can you get sued? He's like, you will get sued. And he's like, where do you live? And I was like, can I get sued for this? Like, I'm not even the one saying anything. He's like, it's not a matter of can you get sued? He's like, you will get sued. And he's like, where do you live?

And I was like, Boston. And he's like, oh, you're not even in the state. Like, they won't even like that. You know what I mean? So you'll be like an underdog. And I'm like, oh, I can't do this. So I pulled the plug and then Mickey was messaging me like, oh, you're a pussy for that.

Like, your lawyer's an idiot. Like, you should have done the show, you know? And Jeff Nadu is making the point of like, in content, sometimes it's better to be getting sued for something like this, because it's like content. And I'm like, yeah, but I can't afford it, you know what I mean? So I didn't do it.

And yeah, so that was like the second time Mickey Mason, his eyes, used that I burned him, right? But in my opinion, I protected all of us, because now there's no ammunition for a lawsuit if you if son Chai so yeah, that was that was like I think that was the second defamation case I was threatened with the first one was this guy cash out King. He's like the biggest scammer on the internet He was booking bets back like three four years ago on the Lakers playoff series Imagine like a team is like minus 600 to win the series.

I think they were up three to one. And he's like, I'll book it at plus 100, Bitcoin only. So everyone starts sending him a ton of money. This was a huge story. Everyone starts sending him a ton of money, right? And he just ran away with all the money. There was a guy he stole $150,000 from. And he came back to Twitter.

He bought this guy Mezey's account. He came back to Twitter and people were like, yo, Elf, He came back to Twitter. He bought this guy Meese's account He came back to Twitter and people like yo elf he's back on Twitter like get him on the show It's like I I'm gonna get him on the show So I get him on the show and he admitted to like six different federal crimes on the show that he wasn't charged with And I'm like what is going on here like what this guy made it to a legal bookmaking scamming wire fraud like all on my shelf Recorded spaces, you know what I mean? And I brought on the guy who he scammed

$150,000 Wow, and there's like proof of it and do you know what this cash out king guy said? What you said if I had ten million dollars to my name, I wouldn't pay you back a cent damn I was like what that's insane like this guy did nothing to you You got scammed by you, and you're gonna you're gonna do him dirty like that, and yeah, there's cash out king guys Just existing on Twitter. He's still scamming people I'll get a DM every other week like oh this guy tried to scam me or he did scam me for like 3k He's got to get caught up one of these days you would think so But I mean like it would happen by now like he lives in a nice gated neighborhood like no one's no one's pulling up on him or nothing

Yeah, but apparently did people did go to his house after he? Ran off with all the money he booked and he moved No, he still lives there Yeah, the only thing he's been charged with is wire fraud so he like legally owes someone like a hundred thousand But now he said on my show he just keeps nothing in his name anymore Like if he makes money, it's on his mom's name. That's what a lot of scammers do. Because then if you go to sue them, you can't collect.

You can't collect. Even if you win. So this guy legally owes people like hundreds of thousands of dollars and he's never going to pay them a cent back because his name has no money. And he threatened you with defamation? Yeah, so he told me, he threatened me with defamation many times because I would tweet about him

and I'm like, you know, I'm like, this guy's a scammer. And he's like, I'm suing you for defamation. I'm like, do it. I'm like, I needed some new toilet paper, so send me the lawsuit. Like, that one I would take. Because he's actually scamming, so that's not defamation.

Yeah, he's actually scamming, he's a criminal. No, I didn't say anything defamatory, right? Everything I said was true and factual, so there's no defamation. But the whole thing with Sean was that this, unfortunately, it's a bad situation, but she doesn't have a police report. So I'm not saying anything,

I'm just saying she doesn't have a police report. That's all I'll say, because it's a sensitive topic. So I don't want that. There's been two more after Sean? Yeah, I mean, Casual Kings threatened me with two. I've had one where someone, I don't want to name this person because it's someone I'm closer to, and they're big in the industry.

They by accident admitted to a crime that they did. So they want me to delete the show. I said no I'm not deleting the show. I'm not gonna do that. And then they threatened me with defamation. I'm like, there's no definite It's just you admitting to a crime. Yeah, that's not that You didn't say anything. Yeah, I didn't say anything. And yeah, so I'm like no, I'm not deleting the show Like imagine someone you did a podcast with someone and then they told you to delete the podcast What are you gonna tell them? I actually haven't ever done that well I mean if they do tell you that you should tell them to fuck off like a couple people have Or like certain parts for legal reasons. I'll do it, but yeah

No, I won't okay if there is legal reason then you would do it But if there's no legal reason you're not gonna know because if you said it I mean it's fair yes They said it you know nothing like it is fair game. Yeah, as they said it. You know, nothing, like, it is ill on a recorded basis. Like the odds something actually happens are so low. You know what I mean? So the person's fine, but yeah.

Those are the four. So Cash Out King threatened me twice, Sean Perry, and then one person that I won't name, but they admitted to it, like a crime. They told me to delete it. I said no. Then there's the threat. And then with the-

That's impressive, because you're only a year in, and you're good. Not even a year, three months in. I mean mean if you watch my show and you see how much beef there is on the show You'd kind of understand like why I'm always in some heat. You know what I mean? So getting one a month Yeah, what am I having? Yeah one one a month pretty much. So do you have anxiety like how are you dealing with all that? Uh, I don't know. I'm a pretty calm person. I would say really but I do get heated sometimes on my show. Yeah I don't know, I'm a pretty calm person, I would say. But I do get heated sometimes on my show. Yeah. Sometimes, no, the first time I got threatened

with the lawsuit was Cash Out King, and there was no basis to it at all. Right, like literally none. Like this guy just admitted to crimes and said he was gonna sue me. I was nervous. I was like, wow, this is like. Yeah, the first lawsuit's the worst.

Yeah, I was like, this is real now. You know what I mean? And like, I gotta, like, it's crazy to say that I have like a big platform now where I can like influence a lot if I'm pushing an agenda. So I gotta be careful with these things. But that was the first time, and then luckily I got people in my corner, so they were telling me like,

you're fine, like we'll take it, you know, if anything happened, like, it'll be okay. Right, so that calmed me down. And I was like talking it over on my show. So like, to Jeff Nadu's point of like always content We spent an episode talking about like if this guy could sue me for like what he said on the last episode Well my first lawsuit I couldn't leave my room for two months really like I was shitting myself. Yeah, it's scary It's and I didn't have a loss. I've had threats of lawsuits. You know I'm sure one will come and I'm not looking forward to it

But yeah, I'm trying to avoid well as long as you stay neutral, I think you'll be good. Yeah, okay, that's the idea. That's my goal as the host is to stay neutral, but stir up the pot between the characters. Like get other people to beef, but then you can't avoid it if you're the host. So like- They'll blame you.

They'll blame you. I'm always like the heel of everything. Like if the show wasn't great or something, it's Elle's fault. Or like, I bring in a lot of scammers, right? But to get them on the show, I'm like, yo, I'll be neutral. You know what I mean?

I'm gonna let you tell your story, right? And then my viewers are like, why aren't you calling him out? And I'm like, it's not my job to call him out as the host. It's the viewer's job to like listen, call him out. One, it's their job to call him out. And two, also like get all the facts of the story so that they can understand it. It's not like, otherwise. I have a five second show

Yeah, bring on a scammer call him a scammer. He leaves the show and then what you have no content You know what I mean? There's so many scammers in your space. It's crazy Yeah, so many scammers and like there's people selling pics with no edge like that's like a scam Yeah, definition right because you're giving it just guessing right? You're guessing you're betting into heavily big markets, like right before game time, like, you know, right before, right before the game starts is when the market is the most efficient in sports. I rarely bet.

No, I pretty much never bet right before game time. Yeah, never. I'm usually betting openers, like right when the line opens. Wow. If there's an injury news, like I'm fast to it, right? Like I'm sitting at my PC all day sniping stuff, right? Like I'm the first one to it. And then once I bet it, they're gonna move the line

so that no one else can bet it. So you gotta be super quick. You can't just like, selling picks into the market is like a unicorn, you know what I mean? Like there are very, there's probably like, of like a hundred, if you take a sample size of 100 people selling picks, like right before game time, probably one person is beating the market.

And it could just be variance. You know what I mean? It's so hard to beat, because these books have so much information. Their information is not within their trading team. It's with money coming in, sharp money. That's how they move the line and shape the market. And a lot of the US books just copy the offshore ones that have high limits.

So if Pinnacle moves their line, Pinnacle's an offshore sports book with the highest limits. If Pinnacle will move their line, they'll just copy Pinnacle. So they'll just get that information for free. Pinnacle had to pay someone to get that information and expect the value by taking that large bet. And all the US books just copy it.

They're a book, I know for a fact they're books. They'll just look at Pinnacle or Bookmaker and just go right in between so that they're like, they just don't look like anything on a hot screen. They can sit there and say, all right, we're well priced. They didn't price it, they just copied. You know what I mean? It's like if you're taking a math test

and you got an Asian next to you who's like, 4.0 GPA aces every test and you're like a B student, you know, you got decent traders Just gonna cut but you can copy the Asian guy for free. What are you gonna do? Yeah, you're gonna copy the Asian guy and you're gonna make a ton of money You're gonna print and then anyone sharp you deem, you know, you think they have a pulse you can just limit them So I'm limited or banned from every single sportsbook in Massachusetts besides vandal That's the only one and they have met 10% And I'm very grateful for that. So yeah. Holy crap. When you get banned, is it all at once or do they kind of spread it out?

No, it's all spread out. So none of these books communicate with each other. So like, if you get limited on MGM, you're not going to be limited on DraftKings. It happens one at a time. Like if you're like really cooking MGM, or you could even be losing to MGM, but you're beating the closing line consistently, they'll limit you. Like I was limited on Caesars down $9,000. They limited me. I was like, what's going on here?

It was a crazy point in my life. It was like January of last year, I had just started live arbitrage sports betting, and I was betting, I was arbitraging Caesars lines to ESPN bets lines, and this is when ESPN first launched. They were awful at their, their live lines were terrible, and there was like no limits,

so I was betting like $1,000 live during the NBA, like the college basketball games, just nuking it, and I was de-risking on Caesars, so that's why I was down 9,000 to them. But they probably picked up that I was betting so much volume that it wasn't like real like wagering. It was like someone arbing. But even then they should know that I'm de-risking to them,

just paying them to offload my position from ESPN debt. And they're just printing money off me because I don't want to have that risk of like, you know, 30,000 in action on like random college basketball totals. You know what I mean? Like, so. They must have an algorithm that detects stuff like that.

Yeah, so I think every book is different, but I think the way they tell with the live stuff now is like volume. So if you're making like five bets in an hour, like random stuff, like small market games, they'll know something's going on. If you bet on a game twice, like if you're, I don't know,

like the championship game, right? If you hit the total once, and then you hit it again and again, they're like, why is this guy hitting it three times? He already bet it once. Like a normal person, they make one bet and they sweat that bet, right? But if a model is mispriced on a game,

they're gonna be off all game usually on that price. So you could probably get it a few times. So, you know, that's one another way they do it. And yeah, cause if you're on a limited account on DraftKings, you literally can't make the same bet twice on a game. Like if you wanted to bet like if the Chiefs are playing and DraftKings is off on the Chiefs, like off market,

if you bet they're spread once, like in the first quarter, if you try to bet it again in the fourth quarter on like a first tier limited account on DraftKings, they won't let you bet it again. I'll say duplicate bet, but like anyone else could, but like if you're limited, you can't. And then there's the death limits on DraftKings, 1% limits, which is what they have me on now.

You can't bet anything. How does that happen? I just happens from winning You beat them and then they limit you how much were you up when they not that much like 30,000 maybe for them That's a lot though, right? Not really They're used to everyone losing I'd imagine so if you're 30k Yeah, what's going on here right 30k with a Very large sample size of bets. I think is the key thing so they know like okay this guy like you can't beat this guy And like he's I was just grinding out like a hundred dollar bets It's just like I made like 30,000 bets last year. Holy yeah, just like a 100 a day

3000 Yeah, 100 a day and there is there are some days, like NFL days, when there's NFL, NBA, and hockey, some days I would have like 700 bets on the day. Just literally on my PC all day just sniping stuff. It's like the best days ever. Yeah, I love those days. Holy crap. It's so fun.

Yeah, like 700 bets a day. But if you think about it though, if you have an edge, why would you make two bets a day? You wouldn't, like, all right, like 700 bets a day. But if you think about it though, if you have an edge, why would you make two bets a day? You wouldn't, like, all right, like, for example, if you're a blackjack card counter, are you gonna go into the casino and play one hand and leave? No. You're gonna play till they kick you out.

It's the same thing with sports. If you had an edge, if you really had an edge, you would grind it out all day. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's what I do. Has your edge ever got caught? Like, has someone ever patched it? Yeah, so that's what I do. Has your edge ever got caught like has someone ever patched it?

Yeah, so I'll tell a crazy story. So Fandle in March. I made $70,000 on Fandle in one month in March. It was the most ridiculous edge I didn't find it a guy named NBA greens on Twitter. His name is Brett finds on he found it and told me about it It was a substitution angle and I can say this now because it's dead. So if you try to do it, sorry, it doesn't work anymore. But let's say LeBron is playing, right? And at the end of the first quarter, his line is 23. He gets subbed out and like the first quarter

he'll get subbed back in like right before the first quarter ends or something. If you take his under 23 and a half, while he's on the the bench his line would drop to 20 or even 19 so you would take his over before he came back in and right when he comes back in it's gonna pop back up to 23 so you would take his under when he gets subbed out take his over before he got subbed back in and we were getting three four-point middles on every single player in the NBA paying minus 110 minus 110 each side and I was wagering, like 1.2k on these bets on every single player.

And it was such a low variance strategy. I was just printing money every day on Fandl. It was like amazing. Yeah, so I was using like 10% account, you know, just printing money every day. And at the end of the month, we were making so much money. And the main reason why we got caught was because too many people found out about the edge.

Everyone was instructed to keep their mouth shut. You tell one person, that person will tell one friend that they know will keep their mouth shut. And then that one person will tell one person, you know? So, and too many people found out with money. That was the issue. So like, there was like 12 of us who all had money who were pounding this edge efficiently, right?

So Fandle, every single time a player would get subbed out would probably take like $20,000 on an under on a player prop, and they're probably like, what the hell's going on, you know what I mean? So it was, and then all these guys were making so much money, they all took a trip to Arizona in an Airbnb, and they were doing like 12 different accounts,

Fando accounts, in the same Airbnb. So, and we're all on a Discord call, right? Like talking, okay, this guy's gonna get subbed out, like we're helping each other, stuff like that. And we knew the rotations, like the back of our hand, every single player in the NBA, we knew when they were gonna get subbed out and subbed back in.

That's crazy. Yeah. And we'd be on a Discord call, so we'd all be taking the same action. And it was one by one, I called it purge night. One by one, all of our accounts, one percent locked. Like you got contact customer support, you can't log in. I had over $100,000 to my name locked out of Fandol. It was like, you said you were locked in your room

for two weeks, I was so stressed like I had like my whole betting bank roll locked out on Fandle and it was awful They thought I was the one in charge too because I was like the most popular Twitter account of all my friends at the time They thought I had bought it like seven accounts because we're all hitting the same lines. Oh, they hit you up No, they didn't hit me up But I had like a friend who worked for F Vandal at the time telling me these things. And he was vouching for me. He was like, no, they're not botting.

They just have an edge, right? And this is the edge. And he was telling them. But it takes a lot to patch a live player prop system, which they did in the off season. But till the off season happened, they kind of just kept us locked. And then when they unlocked us, we were all death limited.

How long was it locked? I was locked out of my Vandal account for a week and a half. Shit. and then when they unlocked us, we were all like, death limited. Like you can't. How long was it locked? I was locked out of my Fandal account for like a week and a half. Shit. With like my whole betting bank roll in there. So I was like, I was so stressed, dude. I sent them a lot.

I sent them a, I don't know, a letter of demand. Yeah, to unlock my account. They were like blowing me off for a full week. Like, oh, like just wait for them to respond to you. As soon as I sent that letter of demand, you're illegally holding my money yeah they unlocked my account in two hours wow so I'm like okay like it was a bunch of bullshit you know they're playing there it's war right with them so they can use their terms of service that like bully you like keep your account suspended

indefinitely until you do get that letter of demand and we sent it. So yeah, I made 70k off them in one month. That's a smart strategy. It was like the craziest month of my life, you know. Did that work at other books or did Fandual tell everyone else to uh... It only worked on Fandual because every other book uses like uh like swish analytics to do their player props. But it works better if you use like Fandual and another book. Like if you were just taking the best line on sub out and then the best line on sub in So at the time I was limited or banned from every single sportsbook in the US besides Fandle

So I was just doing it with Fandle Wow, and yeah, I made 70 so it was crazy Yeah, so that was my that was the most I've ever made in one month gambling That's more than people make ever in gambling Yeah, that was my best month, but it was a crazy story one month gambling. That's more than people make ever in gambling. Yeah. 70K. Yeah, that was my best month. But that was a crazy story. Yeah. I mean, can you imagine, like you made all this money

and you don't even know if you're gonna get paid out because they have you locked out of your account. You have to send them a letter of demand. And I'm, dude, I'm 24. I don't know any of this stuff. You know what I mean? I still had a job. I was like, dude.

You were an actuary. Yeah, I'm dealing with all the stress. I'm like, what's going on here? You know what I mean? It was insane. That's nuts. Did you bet on March Madness this season or no? No, because I don't have an edge unless I'm at my PC.

And I've been running around Vegas for the last month, focusing on the content. But March Madness and like big events like March Madness are great to gamble on if you're limited because the books will like universally raise limits because they feel more confident in these markets because there's more money more liquidity more information, so Those are the best sport games to bet on and usually they'll have a lot of like exposure to one side

They'll try to offload it live to the sharps like they'll hold like a little orb to some book And then you could are both sides and you can get off like the Super Bowl I made like a lot of money on the Super Bowl. Just, I made, like, with no risk. Really? You had the Chiefs losing that? Yeah, no, I had very large bias positions on the Eagles. Oh, God.

Because Chiefs were publicly, you know, I think the public was heavy on the Chiefs. Like if the Chiefs won, the books were fucked. And a lot of books were hanging Eagles on a really, really good price. Like Fandl was, BetOnline was, like they were up 24 to zero, the cheapest one the books were fucked and a lot of books were hanging Eagles like on a really really good price like Fandel was Bet online was like they were up 24 to 0 and bet online had them at minus a thousand at halftime Whereas every other book was like minus six thousand cheese

So I was like or being them like over and over and over again and just taking a biased position towards the Eagles because that Was the mispriced side so I made a lot of money on that day. It was great Yeah, most people watch this who I was just like loving life at my PC. I didn't even watch the Super Bowl. But I had over $100,000 in play on it. You didn't miss much. No, I didn't miss anything. Like it was hard to watch?

No, I loved it. I was having a ton of fun. So with arbitrage, can you lose money? Like how does that work? You can, yeah, you can. If you mess up, so there'll be times where you're like, you'll bet the same thing. It'll be user error.

Or if like a line moves on you, something that's an arb, the market will correct itself, because mathematically speaking, it's impossible for an arbitrage to occur without something being mispriced. So if something's mispriced, people are gonna bet it. So you gotta be quick to,

you gotta be the first one to it. So it happens a lot where you'll bet one thing, and then the other line, if you bet the side that was like, I guess correct first and you didn't bet the mispray side first, the mispray side will move and then you'll just be riding like a negative 10% EV bet. Right, so you just be having, you just have a bad bet.

That's why you need your computer. Yeah, that's why you need your computer. So that's how you would lose money is like user error. And yeah, like a lot of things can happen. Like you could bet like an under and then live they usually put you on a timer just to make sure you're not like, you know Quartz siding which is like having someone at the game and then they're calling you telling you what's happening. Oh shit people do that Oh, yeah, people do that people my show do that so they're out the game so they have like a five second advantage

I got yeah But the thing is those the books they'll have like they have software that knows if you're at the game doing that so they'll have Other people go to the game and call them no different location. Yeah. Yeah, so it's it's sophisticated So what they'll do these guys in my show, I don't want to like spoil it But they'll go down like 20 30 K on a DraftKings account or something get VIP status Once your VIP you can deposit a lot and then court side it try to make it look sneaky Like you got lucky once or twice, you know what I mean? And then just chill.

Wow. So make like a quick 20K, 30K bet, you won, and then hang out for a week, right? Don't do anything. It's like cat and mouse, you know what I mean? Like, you don't want the books to think you're sharp. So you lose money and then you'll make some money back, and like, okay, he's hot.

And then eventually you want to run it up, but you got to do it in a smart way. Otherwise you're just going to get limited. Yeah, because there's know many books. Yeah, no, they're not legal in the US It depends on your state, you know So like the best dates to gamble if you want to be professional sports better is probably Arizona you go to the worst, right? It's bad. Yeah, there's no fandal here. Yeah or DraftKings, right? I don't know. I mean, I don't live here So no because I think all the casinos rallied against the online betting apps. Really? Okay, yeah, so terrible for this state. But I think the casinos have their own. I'm not sure if they're good, but like the win has won.

Oh, the win's awful. So easy to beat. Yeah. Really? Yeah, they were in mass for a little bit and I was cooking them. Oh, wow. I didn't have a banker all the time. So you got banned from the win? Yeah, I'm banned from the win. I'm limited, limited, like heavily limited. Same thing at that point.

It's the same thing. Like they would ban you if they could but they legally can't So they'll limit you to like one dollar bets. Oh, they legally can't ban you No, they legally can't ban you unless you like violate their terms and conditions Like if you're like multi accounting like unless they find something in the terms and conditions that they can ban you for they legally can They can't ban you for winning. They can't ban you for being an advantage player, right? But like they can limit you That's what they do. And that's fine, right? That's the game, right? It's cat and mouse.

Like I'm actually like against regulation because regulation will just ruin everything. These regulators don't know anything about the industry. Yeah. They just hear about the problem gambling stories and they'll like, and the casinos will leverage that to like pass the laws against sharps. So they'll like share information.

Like there was like a bill being talked about to be passed of like a sharing information bill. But everyone just knew right away that these books would just communicate and tell each other who the sharps are. And then no sharps would ever be able to exist. Under the guise of problem gambling. Like, oh, this guy's a problem gambler.

Don't let him play. Don't let him play here. Right, and that was the guise, right? And the legislature was like, oh, this guy's a problem gambler, don't let him play, don't let him play here. Right. And there, that was the guys, right. And the, the legislators like, oh, it's a great idea, right. Like it'll help people lose less money. But in reality, the sports books are like, yeah, we're just gonna, we're just not going to get rinsed by these sharps. You know? So that's why I'm like against regulation. Cause like we understand each other, like the sharps in the books like the cat-and-mouse game that we have to play So I'd like to just leave keep that relationship as is yeah, it's working well So which sharp is the goat like has someone made crazy money doing something like this? Yeah I mean spanky is like the biggest he runs the largest syndicate in the US where he'll just thank you. Yes

What a name he's in my show all the time. Yeah, he loves it. He's made M's off this Oh multiple M's Yeah, he usually gets like like I don't even probably like billions in volume a time. Yeah, he loves it. So he's made M's off this? Oh, multiple M's, yeah. He usually gets like, I don't even, probably like billions in volume a year. Damn. At like 3%, easy. That's crazy. So he's printing money. But he'll get stiffed sometimes.

He works with a lot of partners, so he'll get stiffed for a lot of money and stuff like that. But yeah, people run it out. Everyone I associate with in gambling, they run it up. You know what I mean? They're probably making like, it depends on who you are and how risky you are. But people I associate with are in that

kind of like 200 to 500,000 a year range. It's very taboo to share edges with each other because if someone were to share an edge with me, they would know I would hammer it and probably kill it. So they don't share edges like that. So I got a lot of hate early on in my career when I first came to twitter because I was leaking edges like I was like streaming live arbitrage calling it an infinite money glitch on twitter and all these pros are like what the fuck are you

doing dude like that's their livelihood that's their livelihood and I didn't I had a full-time job I was just loving life you know so it is what it is right um that's impressive that you found these people because there's so much BS in the space. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's easy to tell. For me, it's easy to tell like who's a jokester and who's not. I mean, even yesterday you called out someone in front of me. I knew nothing about it. It was in five seconds. I'll tell the story. The guy said he's a Bacharot player with an edge. I said, okay, like, you know, what do you think you're like? What percent ROI do you think you're? No, no, I said, I said, how much do you like? I said, what percent what do you think you're like what percent or why do you think you're no? No, I said I said how much do you like I said what percent ROI do you think your edges right? Which is what a normal person would say and he said oh, I don't know

I try to make like 500 I made he saw I make he didn't say I try to make he said I make like 500 to a thousand a day and I said okay like how much volume do you get and Then he said like ten thousand dollars a day. He bets, okay, so you have a 10% Baccarat edge? And he's like, yeah. And then immediately I knew right away, this guy didn't know what he was talking about. I mean, maybe like, there's just, it just doesn't exist a 10% Baccarat edge.

Like there's no 10% edges in table games in a casino, unless you're like cheating somehow. Yeah. Right? Like I- Unless you're Phil Ivey. Like I feel like edge sorting. Like that was like a, I think like even higher, like 15 to 20% expected value edge. But this guy, this guy at Lifetime Fitness

did not have a 10% edge, I guarantee it. But yeah, I could like tell him like, I'll ask him like two questions and I'll know right away. Yeah, you knew fast. Yeah, I knew right away. I mean, like I said, like I'm a mathematician. So like, I think about these things in a different way than most people.

Right? Like I've used, like a lot of people view sports like who won, who didn't. Oh, this team won, it was the right side. Right, like I view things as like, okay, every single sporting event has a theoretical probability of an outcome, right? You're trying to bet on a thing

with a better implied probability than the theoretical probability. And that's how you profit long-term, that's what the casinos do. So you just want to act as the casino. You want to make good mathematical bets. That's how I view things. Most people view sports as like, this is a lock.

Like this team's going to win, right? But like there's a price in which you bet on that team and it's not profitable to bet on it anymore. Yeah, most people view betting emotionally, I feel like. Oh yeah, absolutely. And that's the worst way to do it. Like you'll have a bias towards your hometown team or something like that But it's actually a good way to like prep accounts. Yeah, like if you want the bus like you're an idiot Yeah, just just keep firing on your hometown team

Hope they get hot like while you bet on it Once you got like 20 or 30 bets on your belt and maybe you start sneaking in some like some EV stuff like some good stuff But there's a formula behind this you got to act like you're dumb at first under your belt and maybe you start sneaking in some like some EV stuff, like some good stuff. But yeah. There's a formula behind this. You got to act like you're dumb at first. Oh yeah. You got to be able to punt some money at first, like make them think you're an idiot,

make some really big parlay bets. Like you got to be comfortable. It doesn't even matter if you win the bet or lose the bet. All that matters is that you made a bad bet. You know what I mean? Like if you, if I came to you and I said, let's flip this coin, if you win, you get $10, if I win, I'll get $5.

You're just gonna flip that coin at me all day. You know what I mean? So it's the same thing with the casinos. You'll just make dumb parlay bets, and then you can start firing a little bit. But it's a little more complicated than that. Yeah. Do you do any parlay's, or is the odds just terrible for you?

No, no, I mean, I'll do parlay's if there's like a parlay boost, like a token or something like that. You can get an edge if they give you a parlay token, like no sweat bet or something. But besides that, no. You could parlay two expected value bets together, and then it's good.

But no, I don't do any parlays. I just fire straights all day. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense, right? No, it makes sense mathematically if the bets within the parlay are mathematically profitable and then you could parlay them. Or you can make negative expected value bets with correlation to each other. So you like there was a big edge on prize picks which is patch now where people would just take like the quarterbacks overs and the like

the number one and two receivers overs and correlate them, correlate the parlay and then take the opposing quarterbacks overs. Because if it's a high scoring NFL game, it's gonna be a high scoring NFL game, right? Everyone's gonna go over, so there's correlation. But independently, each one of those bets was bad. But when you correlate them, it was good. So it doesn't, it's not, you can't always say

parlays are bad, parlays are good. If you can like correlate them properly, they'll be good. But you know, to most people, parlays bad. If you're just going to degenerately gamble, just do straights. Yeah. And just find the best price. You know, if you like a side, just like, please just search like two or three books and just get the best price. Yeah. They'll lose way less money. Yeah. Have you ever seen someone have an edge in table games? Yeah, of course. Like black. Yeah. Card counters and blackjack and stuff. There's no edge in roulette. There's no edge in, I mean, Bakra, obviously Phil Ivy

had an edge. Me personally, I don't do any table games. Like I said, I'm at my PC all day just chilling. I love it. But table game edges are hard to find. There's a lot of slot edges. Did you know that? I did.

Vegas Maths told me about a few of those. Yeah, slot hustlers. I've never seen it in person, but I get the idea of like people run up a machine. Yeah, it's a specific machine, right? Yeah, specific machines are good, good and profitable. But even if you do the math, like I know a guy in Vegas that does it, he walks to every casino every day. He only makes like 500 bucks a day. Really? I mean 500 bucks a day is good though. Yeah, but he's spending all day, bro. Really? 12 hours. Really? Yeah. OK, so. I feel like the hourly on that's just. Like 40 bucks an hour.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess for some people it's whatever. I mean, it's like for some people, would you rather work a nine to five or grind slots all day? Yeah. He's probably addicted to the slots. So he's fine with doing it.

You know? Because slots are addictive. They are. They are. I know some advantage gamblers who are great sports bettors who will make a lot of money sports betting and then blow It that same night on slots really. Oh, that's stupid. It's stupid. I feel so bad It was actually the guy who got me into like like Arbing damn. Yeah, he was watching the worst odds

Yeah, but it's they're just so addictive. It just gets it just catches you. Yeah It's like it's they way they design the slots with the noises and the colors and stuff, they literally design it to be addictive. Like they study brain patterns and stuff like that. I mean, for me, I just wouldn't get it, right? Like you say, I don't get it. But you see all these- You're too logical, you're too mathematical.

Yeah, I think that's that, right? But like most people don't, they just fall into that trap, right? And that's kind of like the, I don't know, that's the nature of the industry, right? Like if you are gonna be an advantage gambler, then you have to be okay with people losing money. Otherwise you can't win,

which is why I don't educate people anymore, or teach anyone. Yeah. You don't sell your picks? No, I can't sell my picks because no one would ever be able to get them. The line would move, yeah. I'll bet something and two seconds later the line's gone.

Damn, no one can get it. No one can get it? Yeah, they move in a second They have like Fandel has my account like flagged like this is elf's account So they'll literally just see it on their chart Like they will like traders will filter to the sharps like live during the game or pre-match Hmm, or if you're maxing something like if you're only allowed to bet a thousand dollars on something and you bet a thousand dollars They're like, okay, so this is wrong, let's move this.

So if you're gonna bet something and you're sending it out to your clients and the line didn't move, then it's a bad sign. That's crazy. Probably means it wasn't a good bet. I didn't know they moved that quick. Oh, it moves very fast. Yeah, because with stocks, you could copy

Nancy Pelosi's trades and stuff, but the line doesn't move as fast. Right, because it's- You could actually make money copying insider trading. Yeah, you can. But that's a way more liquid market. You gotta think like each market you're betting on, like if you're betting on a NBA player prop, there might only be like $10,000 bet on that one.

And then you're like $1,000 of it. Like you're 10% of the market. So it's like a stock has hundreds, like millions and billions traded on it. Billions, like it depends on the stock, but like a lot traded on it. So they're so liquid. Like, you know, if you want to throw 10,000 on it,

it's not going to move the price, right? If you throw 10,000 on a game, it'll move the line, right? So yeah. Do you do a lot of degen side bets and stuff? No, never. People say I'm like a robot, dude. Yeah, it's messed up. Cause I've seen some on your show, like the push-up one. Oh yeah, so I, people like

degen sports betting on me. Yeah. I'm the prop. So it was like, people were just talking on my show about how many push-ups can Elf do in a minute and there's a popular sports better named Amanda Vance. She comes on my show all the time and she was, I was supposed to go to a hockey game with her and she said if you could do 50 pushups in a minute, so she set the line, I'll buy you the hockey tickets. I was like, all right, I'm gonna do these 50 pushups, right? And my audience was like, we wanna bet on it.

So I hit up Profit X, I was like, put up a line for this, right? Like, can Elf do 50 pushups in a minute? And there was $150,000 wagered on me if I could do 50 pushups in a minute and there was $150,000 wagered on me if I could do 50 pushups in a minute. And obviously I knew if I could or not. I didn't tell anyone. It could be insider information, insider trading.

And the line closed at like minus 160. So it was a fair market. Nothing really got leaked. But there was a lot of controversy around it. One, because I orbed my own market. So ProfitX had it up and BetOnline had it up. And I was literally just chilling and I was an orb and I bet both sides of myself made like a quick five bucks.

And I tweeted it. And I was like, yo, just orb myself. Like, this is hilarious. I'm a player prob. Like, ha ha ha. And everyone's like, he just bet on his own under. Like, he's going to throw the competition. Like, because it was a liquid market.

So like I could have bet like 20,000 on my under and just gone under. Yeah, you could have made a lot. Yeah, I could have, but at the risk of my reputation. Right. So it was a bad idea. But I tweeted that and people who didn't understand arbitrage

just looked at the one day and they're like, he bet his own under, I bet online, like this is bad. You know what I mean? So it was a big controversy leading up to it, which really just built more hype for the competition. So if you went on Profit X that day of the push-up competition,

the most traded event was like, there was one NBA game that day. It was like $500,000 wagered on in total. The second was the PGA championship. The third was the elf push-up. That's fucking hilarious. Yeah, so like there was all these rules that we stuck to.

I had to have my chest touch a Coca-Cola can. I needed to be shirtless so that they could verify my chest hit the can. Was it standing up or sideways? It was standing up. Because if it was sideways, if my chest hit it, it would have rolled away. Can you imagine if I was doing the push-ups?

And there was like 1.1K people in there. It was a sponsored episode The CEO profit X was like we're so worried that this would go wrong and then they would look bad But I banged out 55 push-ups for the boys. No questions. Yeah, you were training before I was training. I'm in good shape You know, I'm I love the gym. That's impressive So yeah, and then there was one guy who worked out with me Brett and he bet $8,000 on me to go over the first day the market came out and then tweeted it. So there was enough information out there, like public information that people could have like figured out if I was going to go over or not. But the thing is, like, if you watch my show, I wear glasses on my I wear glasses normally.

I look like a nerd. You know, I'm a math kid. So people just figured I couldn't do the push-ups, right? So then there's all this money wagered on the event. I can see that. Yeah, and I there'll be more money wagered on this Sean Perry fight That one might hit a million. It could it we got to get the lineup like quick How much was bet on the Mozzie Sean one was it six? So it was six figures and bet online Opened the market two hours before the fight. They started off to win $100. So super low limits and they hit six figures.

And they only bumped it up to $500 right before the fight. And they hit six figures. So yours will definitely hit a mil. I mean, I would like to hit a mil. It would be crazy if it hit a mil. But I'll tell them to whoever puts up the line, like you gotta make the limits high. I want people to be able to bet like 5K on me.

Yeah, I wonder why they only did 100 for that one. They just didn't know. You're not going to have a lot of money wagered on something. Sean Perry versus Masi. They didn't even know who Masi was. It was funny. I was streaming the fight, right? And I would show things happening,

and it would move the line in real time. That's crazy. Sean Perry was like, I was hanging out with Sean Perry all day. He's talking his shit, looking good, whatever. The line's like minus 250 Sean Perry. Mazzy comes to the gym in a Lamborghini, gets right in Sean's face, tells him in front of the live that he's going to kill him and he can't wait to knock him the fuck out. The line moved from minus 230 Sean Perry and then all of a sudden Mazzie's the favorite.

Just cause he's talking shit. There's no reason, right? So then we get in the gym and people are betting on it. We have Dave Mason on, it's like electric. He's talking about people betting what the line moving. And then I show Mazzie warming up. And Mazzie's the favorite, right, to win the fight. And he's punching the bag like this.

You can tell he's never throwing a punch. The line moved from Mazzy like minus 200. Mazzy was like plus 200 after that. Like so everyone hammered Perry right after I showed Mazzy throwing punches. So it was hilarious. Like the line was moving in real time with the live stream. So it was great. I thought Mazzy with all that shit talking was going to win. Yeah. He was telling him he's going to kill him. He's like, I'm going to die in the ring the ring like and he meant it too Like if it was a street fight Mazzi would have won But since they did boxing with gloves and you know

Cuz Mazzi came out firing and knocked Shawn right on his ass immediately I saw that and then he went to swing on him while he's on the ground boxers don't do that You know what I mean? Yeah, so if it was a street fight Mazzi would have won But you know it's a boxing fight so by round two So if it was a street fight, Mazzy would have won, but it was a boxing fight. So by round two, Perry was just knocking him down. And it was like a cartoon. You were watching a cartoon almost.

Mazzy was tired. He would charge at Sean. Sean would throw a jab at him and get hit. And then he would stumble and fall. And then there's a photo of Mazzy in the ring and the wall. Hilarious memes came from that. So that was electric. And I think there'll be more money wager on

Me versus Sean and oh definitely definitely more than than the Mazie just cuz there wasn't enough time at this point You might have to start a league for these sports betters to fight each other Yeah, I'm gonna start there's so much beef on my show. Everyone wants to fight each other Yeah, I saw King cap was beefing King cap was beefing with Sean He wants to fight Sean, but he's got like a little neck injury or something So he didn't want to Mazie wants to fight Sean, but he's got like a little neck injury or something, so he didn't want to. Mazzy wants to fight Sean. Brett wants to fight man in the library.

The character MPB, who's like scammed a bunch of bookies. People hate him. Someone paid me $3,000 in escrow to get MPB to show up to the fight so he can fight him on the undercard. So like, people just want to fight. They saw this one fight. They want to fight. Oh, so you're having an undercard too? Yeah, they're gonna be an undercard. Damn, this thing's legit. Yeah

Legit streamed refs everything. Yeah. Holy crap. It'd be great. I'm glad you have the refs this time Yeah, we're gonna have refs this time. Yeah, that way there's no bullshit, you know, there's a lot of pushing Oh, yeah, a lot of pushing I mean there's 30 boxing right? What are you gonna do? And there's no money on the line Like this time Sean and I are putting up a hundred000. You think he'll put it up, though? We'll see. The guy's so annoying to deal with. I asked some people that he trusts

if they wanted to escrow it. And they said, no, they don't want anything to do with him. So he wants to just, what does he want to do? Get a lawyer. I sat him down. Get the lawyer. And he's like, oh, we have a month. We'll do it later.

I'm like, all right, if you want want to do this, like let's do it. You know what I mean? He says he wants to fight, but he just doesn't, he's got this rib injuries pushing it off. He's being a little bitch. You know what I mean? So he'll fight me. You got a show tonight?

What's next? Yeah, I got a show tonight. I got a show. Who's coming on tonight? We don't know yet. I have a few like guests lined up. Okay. Only crabs bets from bucket crews coming on tomorrow night.

We might get spanky on tonight I asked a few people so I mean they might have texted me back during the podcast I don't know but a lot of times the guests are spontaneous like if something pops up on Twitter, I'm all over I'm like, come on. You're good at that. Yeah, really good at that and like I'm really good at stirring the pot like capturing the moment That's that's why I think my show kind of took off. I know what people like. They like drama. They like beef. In this space, yeah, because a bunch of D-Gens just sports betting. Degenerate sports betting. They just want something to bet on. You know what I mean? If it's an elf push-up market, if it's a fight between two influencers, they love that stuff.

That's what gets the most action. And it's different. There's professional events every single day, you know, you'll bet on it But like, you know when this kid is fighting like a sports better They see on the internet all the time with his shirt off like they want to bet on that, you know So these books wanna and they want to sponsor it, which is great, you know I love it. So you built I built a lot of good relationships with the sports books because of that Yeah, hopefully they stop banning you because of your audience now. Yeah, I hope so. You could provide them a lot of business, too Yeah, absolutely. I bring a ton of, you bring volume to them.

That's all they care about. Depositors, you know, they don't want you to bring sharps on. But if you just bring initial depositors and sign ups, that's what they care about. Cause like each sign up, like they'll give you bonus bits to sign up cause they know for every user they sign up, it's like, I think it's like $1,600 in expected value.

That's crazy. Yeah, it's insane. Holy crap. That's how much the average person loses per year that signs up. It's actually nuts. If you bring them 100 people, that's 160K. A year in perpetuity, right?

So it's like, it's worth millions of dollars. Million, yeah, because like, yeah, the perpetuity part is the least part. Yeah, because of lifetime value. Right, yeah. And then they know how to keep these guys as customers right there They know how to send email like if they haven't gambled in a week or something send them a bonus bet They're getting back. You know, you know the psychology behind the casinos to that's smart Yeah, exactly. You can plan it too

Like if you if you're on an account and it's lost like 10k or something like that you can like email email I'm like, oh, I'm down so much like can I get a bonus bet or Something and they'll usually give you one no way yeah, you got to play into it You know wow you got to pretend like you're losing But there's if you go too far with it, and you're like oh my wife is like Then they'll if there's certain words you can't say they'll lock your account for problem gambling really yeah Yeah, like oh, I lost my job. Stuff like that. Like if you're trying to play into it too much,

they'll lock you out. They'll exclude you. Cause like legally they have to. Right. But if you say like, oh, I lost so much this week. Like, can I get a bonus bet or something? Like they'll usually say, yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, so if they see you're losing, yeah. Have you been IP banned or your house? I've never been IP banned. Brett did get IP banned from Fandl after the whole March thing, because he used like seven different accounts on all his family members in the same address. So they just IP banned it.

I haven't been IP banned, but I've been limited like so many times, like more than I can count. It hurts every time. Yeah. You know, cause you'll have an edge on a book and then you get limited, it's like a dagger. There goes 90% of your-

There goes some volume there and you gotta like find a new book to bet on find every book on the sketchy crypto ones Or nah, uh, no never the every single offshore book. I use is like I make sure they're legit You know what I mean? So I only use like I I use bet 105 bet online bookmaker Like some of the bet online clones that have the same lines. You can get double the volume, stuff like that. But only reputable ones that the pros use. So not Stake or those other ones?

No, I don't use that because it's not available in the USA. It's like VPN it. And I haven't figured out how to VPN my PC on one window and not the rest. Because if you have a VPN on, you won't be able to access Fandle. They're very good at that. Yeah, yeah, they don't want people VPNing in.

Yeah, they're really good. Like you won't be able to VPN in to Fandle from Europe. Not a chance. Yeah, no. So you got to be in a legal state. They're on that. Yeah. Holy crap.

I didn't know that. I used to use a VPN, NordVPN. Really? Yeah, it'll work for like Stake and Rubet and stuff, because like they know that they want the US clients, right? But Fandl, with all the US legislation and stuff, they'll get hit with a massive lawsuit. It's not worth it for them to allow VPNs.

Yeah, they're really good with it. Well, dude, what's next for you? Where can people find you and get tuned to the show? Yeah, so you can find me on Twitter at Elf. If you just search Elf, I'll come up. But my at is at YELFF underscore. And then if you're into boxing stuff, I'll be posting a lot of exclusive boxing stuff

on my Instagram page that I just started. So that is at YELFF underscore. Underscore, so there's an extra underscore. Someone had it or something. I don't know how. How did someone have that one? I don't know. Yeah. We'll link it below. Yeah, we'll know how. How did someone have that one? I don't know. Yeah.

We'll link it below. Yeah, we'll link it. The LFIG needs to grow, so we support the IG. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for coming on, bro, that was fun. Hey, absolutely, my pleasure, Sean. See you in the ring. I'll see you in the ring.

All right, peace, guys. Peace.