Digital Social Hour - The Shocking Truth About Prison Gangs and Guards! | Johnny Mitchell DSH #585

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

🌟 **The Shocking Truth About Prison Gangs and Guards!** 🌟   Tune in now for a jaw-dropping episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! In this can't-miss conversation, we dive deep into the dark and dangerous world of prison gangs and guards. 😱💥 Ever wondered how gangs manipulate the system from the inside? Or how much it costs to pay off a guard for contraband like tobacco? This episode is PACKED with valuable insights you won't hear anywhere else!   Our special guest, Johnny Mitchell, spills the beans on life behind bars, from the power struggles among gangs to the hidden black markets for illegal goods. 🚨 He shares his firsthand experiences and the shocking details of how guards are involved in the underground economy. Tobacco, dr*gs, and more—it's all here!    Don't miss out on this eye-opening discussion that reveals the gritty reality of prison life. Join the conversation and get the inside scoop on what really happens behind those prison walls. 🎥   👉 **Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets.** 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀    #DigitalSocialHour #SeanKelly #Podcast #JohnnyMitchell #PrisonGangs #Guards #BlackMarket #InsiderSecrets #MustWatch   #PrisonExperience #BlackMarket #PrisonGuard #PrisonLife #PrisonStories   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Johnny’s Intro 01:49 - Prison Hierarchy 04:34 - Dr*gs in Prison 06:37 - Temptation in Prison 08:38 - Returning to Prison 09:56 - Making $1.5M/Year Selling W**d 10:48 - Percentage of Dealers Caught 13:35 - Getting Raided 17:42 - Dealing with Cartel Growers 19:10 - Finding Buyers 22:50 - Exiting the Dr*g Trade 26:46 - Favorite Guests 27:48 - Johnny Chang 28:32 - Matt Cox 30:54 - Outro   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Johnny Mitchell  https://www.youtube.com/@mrjohnnymitchell https://www.youtube.com/@theconnectpod https://www.instagram.com/iamjohnnymitchell   SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Whenever you have a guard bringing shit in, that gives you like your advantage. That's kind of like how, you know, gangs use guards. How much does it take to pay off a guard on average? You can pay a guard. Tobacco is the biggest hustle in there. Yeah, because cigarettes are banned. They're illegal. So there's a huge black market for them. Everybody smokes them. The guards are much more willing to risk it. A guard can sell a pack of tobacco for

a thousand bucks what wherever you guys are watching this show i would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe it helps a lot with the algorithm it helps us get bigger and better guests and it helps us grow the team truly means a lot thank you guys for supporting and here's the episode ladies and gentlemen my fellow six six brother in the building today johnny mitchell what's up dog doesn't happen austin damn dude i saw this this gangly we call it we call it people like us ectomorphs that's our body type i'm gonna start saying that yeah dude six six and skinny bro and you're winning that gives me hope you always been that way though skinny? Skinny?

Yeah. Okay. Same here. I'm the least skinny that I've ever been. Except getting out of prison. That's when I was like a little yoked up. Yeah. But I'm just a, yeah, I'm a skinny mini.

Yeah. In prison, you got to get jacked, right? So people didn't come at you. Yeah. Yeah. And also like you, your car, it's a gang, but your car, we call them in there. They force you to work out. So it's also just a pride thing, right? Like you walk out of your cell with your hair all fucked up, they'll send you back to comb your hair and button up your shirt.

Damn. We go to chow. I'm like, guys, there's no bitches here. Who gives a fuck what we look like? I would get roasted, man. But no, but it's like they, because it's like, let's maintain a certain standard or else the whole thing will just fall into animalism. Yeah. Even more than it is.

I think that was the thinking behind it. Where were you on the hierarchy? Was it one guy giving instructions or was it like a group decision? No. I was relatively non-affiliated, but I sat with the whites. I sat with – they were a mix of like Hell's Angels, Woods, Pecker Woods, Dirty White Boys. These are like all like second rate, not the Hell's Angels, but the rest of those groups that I mentioned. Those are all like second rate offshoots of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's like the top white supremacist gang in the whole country.

But there's very few of them. And they're ruthless. Thank God I never met any because like they'll, they'll just kill you. Damn. Yeah. So, but all of their, they, they give orders to all of like the subsidiary white gangs. Wow. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so it was those guys that I like, I had to sit with cause there's no way you're going to sit at a black table or, you know, a PISA Mexican Mexican table. Yeah. But I didn't have to get down like that. I just had good paperwork. I had a celly. My cellmate, Jimmy, was a really high ranking member of the Hells Angels. He was the shot caller for the little cell block we were on. So he had me. Yeah. He kept me non-affiliated

because he was like, man man you you should not be in here yeah let's get you out of here as soon as possible so if you were caught talking to a black person or a mexican person what would happen i've talked to him every day i play basketball with him every day oh so you were allowed to communicate i was on the hoop court with him yeah no no you can it's not like uh this is not some you know pre-civil rights kind of society. Because in the movies. It's not like that. You work with black people, Mexican people.

They do dope deals together. I mean, it's like you just, when it comes to working out, eating, being in a cell together, that's where you don't mix. Got it. Yeah. Got it. But was there a lot of tension or not really? No. The most tension was actually between the gangs themselves.

So it's, you know, this gang finds out like the Paisas, right? The Norteños would go to war against the Serenios. And they're always stabbing each other. Damn. Even in Oregon, which is a pretty tame prison system overall. Or it's like the white boys, somebody got out of line and they're disciplining him. So you didn't see a lot of,

because if a whole racial riot pops off, that's bad. Nobody wants that. Right. You know, because then it's like everybody is getting stabbed. Everybody's getting locked down for weeks at a time.

All the dope traffic, the money that they're making from cigarettes or meth or whatever they're hustling, that all gets shut down. So everybody tries to avoid that. Wow. So drugs are pretty rampant in prison. They were pretty rampant. Yeah. Yeah. Especially at one facility I was at, the white boys had a guard bringing it in. Wow. So whenever you have a guard bringing shit in, that gives you like your advantage. That's like your competitive advantage if you're, you know, to compare it to like a country, right? We just have the cheapest labor force and we have the best natural resources. That's kind of like how, you know, gangs use guards.

And they all make sure he doesn't work with another gang or another race. Interesting. How much does it take to pay off a guard on average? I mean, you could pay a guard. Tobacco is the biggest hustle in there now, even more so than drugs. So cigarettes. Yeah, because cigarettes are banned. They're illegal.

So there's a huge black market for them. Everybody smokes them. And they're expensive. And the risk, you don't even get an extra charge if you get caught it's just well you get a contraband charge maybe but that's not like getting another drug charge it's not getting caught with heroin or something so the guards are much more willing to risk it so fuck dude a guard could sell a pack of tobacco for a thousand bucks what to a person he could turn around and flip that for like three or four

thousand a stick bro a stick i'm not even talking about a cigarette now yeah like i'm talking about you could break a cigarette down and make 10 of these sticks and they're like as thin as possible it'd be like if you were rolling a blunt the shake that's like left over the dust yeah that's the quantity that's in a stick and that sells for seven bucks holy so it's like yeah no dude guards are buying new trucks and fucking they were eaten yeah so yeah yeah i definitely but then yeah there's there's a lot of drugs you know the black guys had the weed where i was at for i don't know why probably because they had the plug whoever was bringing it in or their their you their baby mamas or whoever were bringing it in through the visiting room.

But, dude, I had black friends in there. They were smoking. They were getting high like three times a day. Wow. It was like fucking college. It was crazy. I mean, they're so bored. I mean, I don't blame them for wanting to do something.

Yeah. And there was meth and heroin too. Yeah. Now, as someone who got locked up for drug dealing, how tempting was it to get yourself involved in that while you were inside? No, not tempting at all. Because I was short-timing. You know what I mean? What's up?

Short-timing is like anybody who's doing short-time. What's considered short-time? I would say five years or less. Damn, five years would be long for me. It was extremely long. I did two years and that was long enough for me. But even, I mean, it depends. If you're locked up in the feds at like a USP, which is a maximum

in the feds, 10 years of short time. So, cause you got people doing 50 years life, you know, everywhere you turn. So I, to me it was like, I had money saved up from the streets. Yeah. So my family was sending me money. I gave them a package of money before I went in. Smart. And so I didn't have to hustle. They could put a thousand bucks a month on my books,

and that was a huge amount of money in prison. So I don't know. I had it cushy a little bit, I think. So I just didn't need to do that. Thank God. So a thousand a month in prison, what could you buy inside a prison without- You get new shoes you buy cds cds compact discs i don't know how old you are i caught the tail end of it okay so they're like you that that was all they had now i think they have like mp3s and shit but when i was in there 2010 2011 it was still cd players so you would or you would buy cds that they were censored so i'm listening to like young gz with no cussing in it'm like, this doesn't make me want to be nonviolent, you fucking pricks.

Just let us listen to shit with swearing in it. So you buy CDs, you buy Jordans, you would buy extra baked goods from like the kitchen. Yeah, but there's not a lot to buy. It's basically just food and you know shoes yeah or if you're into drugs like sometimes i would buy joints i'd buy little sticks i feel welcome you know what i mean or little or little uh tobacco sticks yeah that was rare but i did you know that makes sense so yeah um a large number of patients i think it's above 80 go back to prison

when they get out so call them patients or sorry. Uh, yeah, they are fucking mental patients. Yeah, for sure. Um, so was that a worry for you?

Like getting stuck in the system? Yeah. I mean, I definitely, I definitely was planning on getting out and getting back to it, you know, but just, I'm like,

I'm going to do it this time. I'm going to be smarter. I know how to invest my dirty money now. You know, I've had time to think about it. Uh, but by the end, like the shit that I saw and the people I met, I'm like, I, I, we can't do this again. Wasn't worth the risk. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The first time getting locked up once, now that I look back on it and the shit that I was, the money that I was making versus the time that I was risking was absolutely worth it. So for two years, the money you were making was worth it at the time.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause you know, you're talking like a million and a half a year for not really doing that much. You know what I mean? I mean, it took a long time to build up to that. It was really, it was like, you know, how a startup doesn't take any profit for the first five years. That's like you could describe my weed career like that, my weed dealing career. Wow. But when it finally hit and all the pieces came together, it was just like overnight, just more money than I could count, weighing the money by the end. Damn.

Yeah. Profiting 1.5 in a year off weed is pretty insane. So you were moving a money by the end. Damn. Yeah. Profiting 1.5 in a year off weed is pretty insane. So you were moving a lot of volume on. Yeah. Yeah. 50 pounds a week. Damn. And was it all? But I made like a thousand dollars profit per pound. Wow. So 50K profit a week. Yeah. So, uh, and that was just a spectacular, I got spectacularly lucky in terms of just timing what the weed prices were doing at the time. You know what I mean? I couldn't do that now. Now they tanked, I heard.

Yeah, of course. They've tanked, they've come back up, and I think they're back down again. I don't know. It's like, apparently there's still people trapping out there, like doing it illegally. I mean, of course there are. But, you know, you have to move such quantity to just get any kind of good margin. I don't see how- It's tough now because now states are legalizing it, so you're losing customers by the month.

Yeah. The states that have high taxes, though, you sell, I think the hustle, I don't know. I think the hustle now, if you're a black market weed dealer, is that like in California, you sell your weed, your pounds that you grew that aren't registered. They didn't go through like the testing, you know, all the state requirements. You sell them to trap shops, shops that aren't, that don't really have all their paperwork together. And it's just all cash and they sell it without tax. And that's what, that's what keeps the clients coming in. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So the high taxes are what, anytime the government tries to restrict the free market, something, there will be a space for the black market. Yeah, they did that when they banned alcohol, right? Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So how long were you doing this before you got caught?

Let's see. I mean, look, I was selling, you know, nickel bags and from like 2002 when I was 16. Uh, uh, and it really took off when I, or, you know, the, the hustle really, like I really got committed to it in 2004 when I went away to college, I went to university of Oregon and Eugene from Portland. And, uh, yeah. So year after year, it's got a little bit bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And then 2009, 2010 is when it really hit. Wow. Yeah. So you were doing it for a while. What percentage of dealers at that level you think get caught? I would say 90%. I'd say 100% if you never get out.

Wow. Yeah. I would say it's, I mean, look at the odds. You're dealing, the laws, state, federal, county laws, they're all created a huge bureaucracy, the most powerful country on earth. All of the laws and the people are against you. You're just one guy. So, I mean, I, but yeah, no, I knew people that got out before they got

caught and they got out with a lot of money. Yeah. So that's, that's possible. I still think it's a low percentage that do that because they're either drug addicted or like me, you're just addicted to money game. So, you know, you need to to get out but it was like every other 500 000 i made i'm like let's just get one yeah yeah the money's too good one one million sounds nice but two's got that ring so and then there are those who get caught get out and go back to it and they're able to but they change things up maybe they're not as big. There's, there's people that sell, you know, professional drug dealers who hustle for decades, you know? Were there any signs of getting caught? Like, was there any police incidents or anything, or did it just happen? We got raided. We had a stash house in 2009,

where we kept all the work before we shipped it off to you know the rest of the country and yeah we got raided they got they got about five pounds and i think like 10 grand in cash which was not much yeah at at the time for oregon so you know i i got arrested i bailed out got a lawyer you know they wanted to get me to cooperate but i'm like i'm not gonna snitch on my connect they're the ones who are plugging me because i was still i didn't stop at all you know what i mean like the day i got out i was making a move so i got up but i was on felony probation that's like that that's what really woke me up i was like oh i need to tighten up because i knew the next time i got caught i was really i was going down i was going to jail so when you got caught the first was really, I was going down. I was going to jail. So when you got caught the first time, it's just like a probation basically? Yeah. Yeah. And if I had been in a place like Texas

or if I had been black or if I had been uneducated, I'm being serious, I probably would have actually gone and done some time. But I had no criminal record. I'm in a very liberal state. Medical marijuana by 2009 was already legal. So you had to get caught with a lot to actually go away. Interesting. And go do time. So I was able to plead. And they were like, okay, well, you have a felony. You're on three years probation.

But we're going to give you a suspended sentence, it's called. Wow. Yeah. And then you go do community service then you have to take piss tests and all that shit yeah so you gotta stop smoking for yeah exactly but again i was so reckless like i would just get other people's piss or i would say dude i would get clean and then i would just piss for like two days and keep in my trap house where i bagged up and boxed up all the weed to ship it out in the refrigerator. The only thing that was in there was bottled piss, saved clean piss that I would heat up and put like in my leg when I was going into my P.O. to take a piss test for. Oh, my God. You had to heat it up because P.O. is warm, I guess.

Yes. You put it like you put like a heat pack. How did I do it? I think you think you oh this is what you do you tie a heat pack over the piss bottle and then you put it you know just you don't even have to put it in your leg you put it in your pocket and then then you see the temperature strip when it's above like 90 degrees i think then you just go into the bathroom you just squirtirt it into the water. Wow. That is fascinating. I got suspended once in high school for pulling a fire alarm. And to get back into school, I had to pass a drug test. And I was like smoking five times a day at the time. Yeah.

I got clean in five days. When you're skinny, dude, it helps a lot. Being skinny helps because you have no fat for the THC. I was 3.2% body fat back then. Wow. Because I was a distance runner in high school. Rail. I was a twig. 132 pounds. That's great. Wow. Because I was a distance runner in high school. Rail thin. I was a twig.

132 pounds. Were you? That's great. At 6'6"? At 6'5", yeah. Wow. When did you have your growth spurt? Like super young?

I'd say like ninth grade, I grew like four inches. Aren't you Asian? Yeah, I'm half Asian. So where, the white side is the height side. Yeah, my dad was Irish. So I guess. Wow. Yeah.

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In Jersey. Oh, wow. So you must have been like a strict high school. Cause like. Yeah. I was a little dealer on the side too. Not at your level, but yeah. Yeah. Jersey was a big market for me. Jersey was one of my best weed markets. I could get, I could get, you know, 200 pounds every month to Jersey. Damn. Yeah. I heard East coast was actually the best. Cause if you were on the West coast, it's way cheaper.

Yeah. It was harder to turn a profit. so you know obviously new york city we dealt with dominicans up there they're like professionals like i could never get them enough they were like what do you mean you can only get us 30 like they're already these are already sold before you get into wow i'm like well i can't you know like uh i'm like okay yeah let me do better yeah and when you're dealing with transactions like that people are bringing guns and stuff right yeah yeah but the weed is a lot I'm like, okay, yeah, let me do better. When you're dealing with transactions like that, people are bringing guns and stuff, right? Yeah, but the weed is a lot chiller. It's a lot more low-key.

Even though, yes, at that level, whenever I would go pick up from my guys, they would have guns, at least the first few transactions. I used to buy, my plug was a Mexican organization in Northern California. And these guys are from Sinaloa. And this is when the Sinaloa cartel used to send growers up to those regions just to grow pot. So yeah, the first couple of times I met them, those dudes were strapped because they thought I was going to rob them. But I'm like, no,

this changes my life. You guys get the best price. There's no way I'm going to rob you. So at the really high levels, ripoffs are rare because everybody's making so much money. It's like, it just doesn't, it goes against logic. You know what I mean? Plus it's probably a small circle at that level. So if you hear of a robbery, you know, cut that guy off or something. Yeah. Yeah. And of course it does happen. So if you hear of a robbery, you know, cut that guy off or something. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, it does happen. Like, I remember I would test out new markets and, you know, I would send a box with like

a couple of pounds to a guy. You would float it? Yeah. Or I'd take half up front and then he would just, you know, disappear, stop answering his phone. But what am I going to go fucking hurt the guy? Like, I paid, you know, 2,500 bucks for two pounds. Yeah. Part of the game, right? Like it's part of the game. It's a business expense. Yeah. I'm curious how you find

the buyers at that level. Like what is that process? Cause this is pre social media. This is pre internet, right? You're just word of mouth. Exactly. Yeah. No, that was, it's a really good question. That was tricky. That was almost as tricky as finding the suppliers. But, you know, it's a good question. I mean, luck mostly, right? One of my best friends that I knew from college, we were living in Argentina at the time. I was doing like a study abroad. This is such a white boy college. It's like I met him. He was from Jersey and all of his friends were big time weed dealers and they were looking for like a West coast plug. And so that was just like a perfect match made in heaven.

And then through, through them, I met a Dominican guy who went to Rutgers in Jersey. That's where I went. You went to Rutgers? Yeah. So he, his cousins were all in the game and they lived in Washington Heights, Manhattan, which is the Dominican neighborhood, upper Manhattan.

So through them, that's how I got connected with them. But then other times I'd be like, you know, like I would float somebody. Like if I could see somebody wasn't, was moving product, but didn't have the bankroll. Yeah. I'm like, okay, so you're moving it to but didn't have the bankroll. Yeah. I'm like, okay, so you're moving it to somebody who does have the bankroll. So I would say, I would either throw them some free weed or some cash. And I'd be like, let me meet, let me meet who's buying from you. Yeah. And let's see if like, I can either float you you product i would work with people too okay like if i could see somebody's moving it like he's moving you can get rid of two pounds at a time i give

him four or five you know what i mean and that way he can build up his cash reserves yeah that makes sense were you willing to step on toes were you willing to undercut people to get clients for sure do you think that caused some enemies or didn't really matter? No, no, no, no. That's free market shit. I wasn't robbing people. I mean, in my early days, we got robbed and committed robberies, but that's like petty low level shit. Like I would, um, yeah. Like if, if somebody introduced me, if I'm selling to you and you introduced me to the guy who's really moving it, I would just step out of the way and deal with him. Oh, you would just cut the guy off?

Of course. But he would probably cut you out. I'm the plug, honestly. You know what I mean? So that's how that works. The buyer, this is at a time when the weed market still favored the supply side. You know what i mean like there was still it was still the most important thing to have the best the best supply the best price right it wasn't the other way around where now

it's like there's way more supply than there is demand yeah so the plug was the most important like i had to pay ten thousand dollars in cash just to meet my suppliers damn back in the day but i was like it's worth it just to meet them just to meet them just to meet my suppliers back in the day. But I was like, it's worth it. Just to meet them? Just to meet them. Just to meet them for them to be like, okay, bring me 40,000. To take you serious? Yeah.

Wow, that's interesting. Did you ever want to level up from weed or you were cool with just staying there? I think I was cool with it because I was like, yeah, this is why do anything else? If I can become a millionaire off weed, it's like, you know, there's no... The risk. a millionaire off weed it's like yeah you know there's no the only way to make that kind of money selling coke would be to you know you have to move huge federal amounts of cocaine yeah right like if i move as much coke as i move weed that's like 30 years yeah it's risky plus people can die from yes and that gets a lot it gets a lot trickier yeah if it gets laced or something

because we never got laced, right? Right. Well, no. But back, this is way before fentanyl. Right. Yeah. Way before fentanyl. That was crazy.

Yeah. Way before fentanyl. But look at you now. Making millions off the podcast, dude. No, it's not millions. It's not millions. It's unfortunately. Yeah.

But maybe someday we'll launch it. We're expanding. We're growing in different directions. I mean, you got the viewership, man. If you keep it up, I see shows getting acquired every week now for absurd amounts. Yeah. I've had some people approach me. It seems like the powers that be are trying to control how to have digital assets.

But that's kind of attractive. I think an exit is a good thing. I think the days of podcasting that just last forever, like, you know, Joe Rogan. Yeah. I think those are basically done. Like if you want to maintain like a premium on. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like I'm starting to think of podcasts now as like a three to five year thing. Same. I mean, I'm pretty honest with my audience. I'm building this to sell it, you know? Yeah. Like I'm just being straight up. like yeah it's a lot of money like if someone offers a certain amount i'm probably gonna take it yeah you know tell your fans hey look i'm dating you as soon as i sell out i'm marrying a younger chick but that being said when i sell it i'm not gonna stop podcasting no

no no i'm just saying like oh i guess what I'm saying is I think big podcasts to scale, like I'm talking about, you know, podcasts that get hundreds of thousands of views, if not more every week, it's a new player to that space. It's going to be very difficult. It's super hard. And so that's why I think more concept driven shows like the connect uh will be the way to go because you achieve you have this like almost this arc yeah almost this arc of where it's like a season of your favorite tv show it's like an hbo show right and maybe we'll run it three seasons but like now it's like a season of your favorite TV show. It's like an HBO show, right? And maybe we'll run it three seasons.

But like now it's like we've heard I've had every criminal on. Yeah. Every stripe of criminal. At a certain point, it will just be like that. So you're not going to branch off from crime stuff? You're going to stay with it?

I'm going to stay with the brand, but do a different kind of format. Got it. Like it's not going to be an interview show necessarily. Got it. It'll be vlogs and it'll be monologues, It'll be more topical. And then my current page that's popping, the connect, that may become something more like this, more of like a business or motivation or political or whatever. But that's what I mean. So it's like you could keep doing the channel forever,

but I think like switching up brands, I think that's what keeps it exciting. And then it keeps you loving what you're doing. Because I don't want to do anything that I'm bored doing. I won't have on someone if I don't think it'll be a conversation. Yeah. You know what I mean? If he's just going to promote shit the whole time, I won't have that person. Right.

Because there's a few people like that. Right. Oh, I imagine in this space. In the business space. Yeah. Yeah. You probably turned down a ton of people. I get people.

There's people that I should have turned down. You know what I mean? And that's the problem with having sponsors. Because you're like, I have no guests this week, but I got to get something up because we were on schedule with the sponsorship. So that's kind of the downside. I've had a few people on who I'm like in the middle of it. I'm like, oh, you're lying to me.

That pisses me off. How can you tell if they're lying? Just, you talk to them long enough. Yeah. This is why cops ask you the same question over and over and over again.

Right. Because they know you're going to get your story wrong. So it was like that. It was, so I had a couple of them on. One of them did good numbers.

The other didn't. So I'm just like, I'm like, yeah, no of them did good numbers. The other didn't. So I'm, I just like, I'm like, yeah, no more. We'll just skip a week. Yeah. Yeah. There's no point in lying. Cause if you just lie on so many shows, you're going to get caught up in your own lives. Yeah. You know? Yeah, exactly. So, um, but yeah, like my, so I think that's like the, that's really what I want to do. I want to create create different concepts concepts for youtube and make them finite any you probably get asked this a lot but any guests that you've had on that you really liked they were your favorite ones yeah dude i've had several i mean rick ross was great freeway rick

was great um this guy named unique uh shout out he's uh he was a kingpin he was like the east coast rick ross i'd say. And he's got a fascinating story. You can go watch that. We've had a couple of interviews with him. And then, yeah, I enjoy a lot of people. Even like I had a cop on. He was really good. He infiltrated the Crips as a white guy.

Damn, so you have both perspectives on him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had the mob guys I fucking love. Crips as a white guy. You have both perspectives on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had, yeah, the mob guys I fucking love. I just love fucking old guineas from New York. They're so funny. They're so friendly. Like they're, you know, they're just such stereotypes, but they're, they're always really

good people. So yeah, I really like them. Yeah. Yeah. So no, it's, it's been quite a journey but we're keeping it rocking absolutely did you have johnny chang on no okay that was someone else that guy's blowing up man yeah have you seen him what's his thing he's part of the asian gang i forget which asian gang it was but he is just blowing up i had a real asian guy oh yeah like i'm talking like you you know, he got, you could barely understand him. But he was a gang member from one of the triads in Chinatown in the 80s.

Damn. And he's talking about extortion payments. And he's talking about, you know, fucking bringing heroin in through the ports from China. This is old school. Like, these rackets are like, don't even exist anymore almost. went in through the ports from China. This is old school. These rackets don't even exist anymore almost. I mean, yeah, that was a super cool interview. Yeah, we got some good people coming on.

I got Matt Cox coming on in a few weeks. That's a legend right there. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. I've seen hours of that guy. He has so many stories. I feel like he never runs out, man. Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to talk to him about. Yeah, but he even got surgery on his face i mean he went extreme wow

did he okay i'm gonna have to yeah because he was getting chased for a bit so i think yeah the one i saw he got plastic surgery on his face and couldn't be identified on cameras because there's cameras everywhere i feel like it's way harder now to get away with stuff it is it is but shockingly sort of like easier. You think so? Because how do they track your phone though? Yeah. I mean, but then you see in LA every other day, there's a smash and grab. And like nobody gets arrested.

You know what I mean? So it's like, it's always like an up and down. Right. It does. It's for sure. Yeah. I don't know. It seems, I talked to cops and cops are like, yeah, actually the odds of you getting away

with murder now are actually higher in certain places. Damn. Yeah. That's surprising. That's a statistic. Maybe your producer can look it up. Because all the forensic evidence, I feel like they're catching murderers from 20 years ago now.

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I guess maybe a cold case, but they're clearing less murders. Clearing just means you get an arrest on a murder, like a suspect. Right. So,

and they say that's because of the war on drugs. It's taken way more resources away from like local police departments. Yeah. That would otherwise be investigating homicides. Wow. Yeah. So yeah. Smash and grab in LA is nothing.

They don't even show up for that. I kind of want to get down. You know what I mean? I'm off paper. I'm not on parole. Let's let's do the problem. The problem with being six, six and a smash and grab. There's no denying it. If I get caught doing something, they're going to eyewitness testimonial right away. Yeah. No one looks like us. You know what I mean? Do you still talk to anyone you were in prison with? Yeah. I got a good buddy of mine.

He lives in San Diego. He's doing great. Nice. And he, I didn't know, we weren't in the maximum together. He was, I got shipped off to like a minimum security after I got out of the big scary maximum. And that's how I knew him. So it was really chill. But yeah, it was, he was a good guy. He was the one that like, I would always tell him I'm going to LA.

You know, I want to be in show business. I want to write movies and all this shit. And so he's seen all of it happen. Yeah, it's really cool. That's a real one, bro. That's cool. Shout out to him. Dude, anything you want to promote or close off with?

Yeah, the Connect with Johnny Mitchell, my podcast, video series, just type it in. I'm all over the internet. I'm on the road doing stand-up i'll be in tampa florida at side splitters march 7th uh i'm a very good stand-up comedian so i gotta that's the next step is for the world to see it so we're gonna try to try to pivot on the brand a little bit so come out and see me and then uh yeah just just you know, Instagram tick tock all that Johnny Johnny Mitchell Thanks, man. If you're ever doing stand up in Vegas, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stand up of things. Absolutely, man

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