Digital Social Hour - The Terrifying Truth: Humans Are Scarier Than Ghosts! 👻 I Steve Gonsalves DSH #507

Starting point is 00:00:00 into excitement and wanting to figure it out and we get excited we high five we get emotional and we saw a teary-eyed yeah like that just happened because your brain doesn't quite understand it but we all sort of do believe that the the living is far more terrifying than the ghosts and the dead and none of us have been really hurt by a ghost oh wow wherever you guys are watching this show i would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe it helps a lot with the algorithm it helps us get bigger and better guests and it helps us grow the team truly means a lot thank you guys for supporting and here's the episode all right guys steve gonzalez here from ghost hunters and the new book man thanks for coming on coming on. Thanks for having me.

Starting point is 00:00:45 This is really awesome. Thank you. Of course. You've investigated over a thousand places. That's true. I've been doing it for a long time. And I've been fortunate to have that sort of interest. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:57 I don't think a lot of people get bit by that bug to be in all places creepy and awful. But there I am in all these abandoned haunted places do you have a fearless mentality or do you still get kind of scared in certain situations i you get startled for sure like i'll get startled if something happens most investigators i know will get a little startled because you never know really when or how but it's not always malicious you know so you keep that in mind and remind yourself that's very likely that this was a person at one time startled and then it really translates into excitement you know and wanting to figure it out and we get excited we high five

Starting point is 00:01:38 we get emotional and we saw a teary-eyed yeah like that just happened because your brain doesn't quite understand it but uh we all sort of do believe that the the living is uh far more terrifying than the ghosts and the dead and none of us have been really hurt by a ghost oh wow uh you know we've we know stories where people uh you know get chased out we've been chased out by uh frying pans and guns and people with clubs and crowbars. You serious? Yeah, yeah. It's pretty- That is crazy.

Starting point is 00:02:09 So you literally just saw a frying pan coming at you? A person with a frying pan. Yeah, these are the people at the locations. Ghosts, they tend to be a little more reserved, it seems, but the people are quite a little more- Fascinating. And the thing with ghosts is they could be there for hundreds of years, right?

Starting point is 00:02:28 It could be like an old death. Yeah, it can be as long as that energy could be trapped or left behind, or it can be there for quite some time. And it can predate modern structure. So it may not make sense that this place is haunted because you're in a newer modern house, that sort of thing. But you got to think about what may have happened on the land before that. And it's not always these destructive and chaotic and terrible scenarios. It can also be moments of love and deep devotion and things like that.

Starting point is 00:03:07 So the haunting phenomena really stems from extreme emotions more so than this death, this tragedy. But those seem to be a little more fun to investigate and go after. But it could be a lot of different reasons for the haunting. Yeah, I feel like those are the most viral ones when it's like the murderers or something tragic like that for sure quite honestly i mean even i prefer those type of just funner to to chew on and get into and more fun but uh it's uh you know it can get in your head a little bit you start to feel sad or start to think about these stories and these people and the phenomena that you're experiencing. You have to remind yourself that this was, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:50 somebody going through a terrible, terrible tragedy in their life. And you need to remember that and respect that. But it also could be, you know, a great moment in someone's life. And you're now a part of that it's quite interesting absolutely so what sparked this curiosity in the ghost did you have an incident when you were a kid i didn't have an incident like any sort of not that started my interest i actually did but didn't realize what it was until after but my interest started really by watching a movie. Quite honestly, it was called The Entity.

Starting point is 00:04:27 I was terrified. And my mom didn't even know what I was watching. She's like, what are you watching? And at the end, it said based on true events. And I said, oh my gosh, is this really something that can be happening? But that sort of started my interest. And I started reading about it and all that at a young age maybe eight or nine um but when i was really young i was on

Starting point is 00:04:53 a floor with a friend at her house and she was playing with a light bright that's a a sort of toy that has these plastic pegs that light up and you can make clowns and different faces or whatever you want and uh all of a sudden i started hearing this uh plastic sound like ching ching ching i was like what's happening and uh come to find out the light bright pegs were flinging off of the floor and hitting the wall behind my friend wow and uh it was her mom came over and looked at me and said, Jamie needs to go to bed. It's time to call your parents to come pick you up. And I didn't even realize what that was until she found out that I was interested in the paranormal.

Starting point is 00:05:37 And she called me up and was like, don't you remember what was always happening at my house when we were kids? And I was like, oh my gosh my gosh she's like i lived in a haunted house so that was really my first memory of paranormal phenomena but i wouldn't consider that my first sort of experience because it not only was it not my own but i didn't really put it together that it was something paranormal until i was you know maybe a teenager 15 16 wow that is interesting do you believe certain people have the ability to communicate with ghosts like these psychics or mediums, whatever you want to call it? That's an interesting question. When it comes to psychics and mediums, it's something that's been studied for a long, long time. about things in science and how energy interacts in the environment, I kind of tend to think that that sort of phenomena, it can actually be true. And it's hard for anybody that doesn't have those gifts to really understand what's happening. But I do believe that there are people out there that are communicating in some way with energy um and if that's not true i do believe that there

Starting point is 00:06:50 are people out there who certainly believe that they are right um and that could be beneficial quite honestly as well um as long as they're not just lying and you know making up stories yeah you know for especially for monetary reasons that would be i'm not a fan of those type of psychics yeah yeah but you know it's not a gift i have i have many friends who i love and trust to you know claim to have those abilities and i have no reason to believe that they would make things up or mislead anybody but um so i personally would love to have an experience solid enough that I would consider where I could just answer that question, yes. Okay. But I will say we were investigating a place in Arkansas.

Starting point is 00:07:37 And there was a gentleman named Carol giving Jason on our show jason haas you know uh a reading and uh i don't know how to explain this but we had a thermal camera which you know works shows energy and heat waves and um you could see a reading you know a discrepancy on the interface and it looked like some sort of mass or energy or heat in this case moving from carol who was the psychic and going towards jason and uh i don't know how to explain that it was only during the reading and then what was interesting is the gentleman just goes okay it's over uh i have no more info and he just kind of went like that with his arms and it all just stopped and disappeared and you know i don't know how to explain that that's that's quite interesting um are you interested in coming on the digital social hour podcast as a

Starting point is 00:08:37 guest we'll click the application link below in the description of this video we are always looking for cool stories cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life. Click the application link below, and here's the episode, guys. But yeah, that's sort of a long answer to a quick question. Yeah, so those thermal cameras, are they able to pick up ghosts based off heat?

Starting point is 00:08:57 Well, I'm not sure if they are picking up a ghost like there. It can be energy that's sort of been burned into the atmosphere over time or it could be there uh as uh you know a signature in real time and we have experienced that um so i would say that it is picking up an energy uh for sure but if you think of a ghost as you know i was a person and uh i was alive and now i dead. And I am here showing myself to you and interacting with you. I'm not sure. But definitely humanoid and human figures that

Starting point is 00:09:35 aren't there in front of us. And, you know, we take a lot of steps to make sure it's not our own thermal reflections or our own images bouncing off of things. And so when we are holding that, usually we use a FLIR, which is just a forward-looking infrared. That's the type of thermal that most investigators use. And, you know, you're seeing a human shape through this camera. And it's not you and there's nobody else in the room. It's kind of hard to explain that yeah but does that mean it's a ghost right there in real time uh that i don't think anybody really

Starting point is 00:10:12 knows but i will say we have seen things move on command through the thermal um so i would say that if you would consider that a ghost and not just some sort of unconscious or conscious, I guess, if it's paying attention to us, energy. Yeah. You know, that's where it sort of gets a little muddy. Is it a ghost or is it just energy? Right. That's what we're still trying to figure out. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:35 Whenever you see ghost photos or alien photos or any cryptic photos online, they seem to always be blurry, right? Yeah. So do you think they just can't be picked up on camera? Personally, when it comes to the photos and even some of the video, we have got some that are quite clear, but we don't have the answers as to why. We really don't. It can be that it's ocular. Maybe it's just that the equipment that we're using isn't sensitive enough to capture very vibrant. And in other cases, we have got some really interesting footage and I've seen some pictures and videos of things that would make me believe that they are getting these in a much more high definition than interesting i think what we're seeing so you do

Starting point is 00:11:25 see both uh but i think sometimes it's just being in the right place at the right time right i could see that yeah because that miami alien incident all the photos and videos were blurry yeah so i didn't know what to believe there do you believe in like aliens and other paranormal creatures like that i do i i mean i've never seen any proof of aliens or anything like that personally, but I kind of have that shared belief that, you know, how vast the universe is, how could we really be the only living creatures out there. But we investigated Wright-Patterson Air Force Base once, and they literally took us out onto the tarmac, and they said, you cannot cross that yellow line. And we're all like, okay, sure, we won't. And he's like, no, no, you can't. And these are MPs, big, big guys and gals with guns ready to... And they said to us, no, if you cross that yellow line, it's two in the chest and one in the head. Damn.

Starting point is 00:12:28 And he looked around and he said, those snipers out there, I went to lunch with them and they'll kill me if I cross that line. And we're like, what is in that hangar over there? That's crazy. people who believe in hangar 18 and that sort of thing would speculate that perhaps that is where there is or where there are some maybe biological beings or even some craft yeah but who knows interesting but they were very serious do not you need to understand like you go over there wow yeah and that's right patterson air force yeah you know. We had to get Pentagon clearance to be there. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And they really made sure like, hey, don't cross that line.

Starting point is 00:13:09 That's crazy. Do you have a favorite journey you've done? You've done over a thousand, but is there one that stands out to you? For me, I love Waverly Hills in Louisville, Kentucky, Pennhurst, which is in Pennsylvania, and these places that have seen a lot of extreme emotions and tragedies, you know, tend to be quite active. And for me, the frequency of activity and how they're not shy, you'll see stuff, you'll hear things, happens quite often at those two places I'd say if you're looking to see something or experience something and you go to Waverly Hills your chances are quite like that where is that oh that's in

Starting point is 00:13:55 Louisville Kentucky okay it's an awesome place sprawling I was a tuberculosis hospital and I think something like and I and don't quote me because my numbers could be off, but I think that 60,000 people in just a short time passed away. Holy. Yeah, terrible. They actually had to build a tunnel that they call the death chute or the death tunnel, the body chute, to get the bodies out for a few reasons. Because there are so many but also because can you imagine being a patient and you just see dead body a dead body being wheeled by you morale is going to be low wow yeah the energy there must be so you probably feel it as soon

Starting point is 00:14:36 as you walk in that's exactly what it is well it's just heavy yep yeah you you could tell and uh quite honestly it's uh can be a little uh unnerving you know people were there who went through some really terrible things yeah um and you need to really take it seriously when you go to places like that because you're dealing with people's you know lives and a lot of times they've gone through things that we don't even want to think of yeah have you experienced any lingering effects after in a a journey like do you see ghosts entering your dreams? Do they follow you home? Anything like that? They've acquired items. But for me, I've never had that happen. Luckily, either I'm not that interesting, like I'm not going home with this guy, or it doesn't, you know, there's no reason for it to attach to me.

Starting point is 00:15:32 But what sticks with me are the stories and the thoughts. And, you know, there's a place that I'll never return to because it was a hate crime. Wow. Someone threw a Molotov cocktail and and killed a bunch of uh gay gentlemen you know and that's something i i think about that all the time so the stories and the things stick with you um over time more so i think than the you know the phenomena itself interesting i have a theory about the dream world being linked to the spirit world

Starting point is 00:16:04 oh yeah because i've had dead people show up in my dreams. Okay. What do you think about dreams? Do you think there is a linkage there? You know, there are definitely stories that would make it seem like there are. You know, there's an oral tradition of, excuse me, there's oral history, you know, of people claiming that loved ones are coming and their dreams going really almost all the way back to the caveman. And when they can see drawings and things, they're able to really figure, not figure out, sorry. You know, they're able to see that that is something that is talked about through time.

Starting point is 00:16:44 Now, is that really a portal into a different world? I'm not sure. Is that sort of an easy way to come in? Or if you talk to scientists, anybody in the medical field, they'll say that a dream is just a dream. But what's interesting is some people can share the same dream and not know each other and even return and go places. So they can say, go down this hallway, take a right, go down this hallway, take a left,

Starting point is 00:17:12 or go down this path and take a right at the tree. And other people are in that same dream world where they can go down the path, take a right at the tree. And crazy right so how do you explain that if it's not some sort of shared linked linked place so it could make sense that you know it is a bit of a what what makes you is it were the loved ones that you knew so yeah crazy so the night my grandmother passed i'd never had her in a dream before this um and i didn't know she passed so i went to bed and she appeared in my dream. We were holding hands and she was trying to find my dad because they were on bad terms.

Starting point is 00:17:50 So she died with some like, they weren't like talking at the time and we were trying to find my dad the whole dream. We were running and panicking and we couldn't find him. And that was the dream. And I woke up that morning and my mom told me she died. So like that to me was like crazy because she was never in a dream before it was such a vivid dream for me wow that's really cool i mean it's sad you need to think of it but uh that experience you know it sounds really cool

Starting point is 00:18:18 and everybody knows their their body their environment more than anybody else you know and you know what dreams feel like and you know that maybe this doesn't feel like that this is something different perhaps maybe somebody did visit you in this case you know your mom but um wow that's really yeah it was interesting man yeah um there's a theory about portals right and how mirrors could be portals and there's potentially portals and vertexes throughout the Earth. Are you a believer in that theory? You know, I'm coming around to that theory, quite honestly.

Starting point is 00:18:52 If you asked me 10 years ago, I would say no. I wouldn't believe that there are portals and things like that. But there are two sort of sides to it. If you talk to physicists and you read up on people like Brian Cox, who says that if a wormhole or a black hole, which would work much like a portal would or could, if anything were to pass through it, it would likely just collapse. But then I've talked to physicists and myself who have told me that they believe in that possibility. It's likely that in other dimensions it would just be sound waves and light waves, but they're not sure. And you can ask, and I've asked physicists. I was very fortunate to put together a documentary where I interviewed many, many physicists. And they all, quite honestly, believed in other dimensions. Wow. All of them.

Starting point is 00:19:55 But you asked them, and I kept it in the documentary where I would say, do you believe in ghosts? And the physicist will laugh at me. I don't believe in ghosts. But they believe in other dimensions uh now can those you know be accessed through portals that's where i think uh it's still bigfoot apparently right if bigfoot exists maybe you know but the fact that all these physicists are telling me that they believe in other dimensions and things that I've experienced, maybe that is quite possible. Are there portals now that we can enter and they can enter and go back and forth?

Starting point is 00:20:35 I don't think anybody can say definitively. But that is really something to ponder if that's where maybe the paranormal phenomena is coming from, maybe where alien phenomena is coming from. But who knows, quite honestly. Are mirrors acting? You know, I have never seen any evidence to support that. I've never had any or heard of any physicist saying that that is possible or that it's being used in that way. But if you can believe in the stuff I believe in, I'm open to anything. But I need to sort of see it for myself, experienced it for myself, I tend to lean a little bit more towards what could actually be possible in our physical world.

Starting point is 00:21:30 If it happens in our physical world, it does need to obey our current understanding of physics. Or else I'm misinterpreting the experience, or it's in my head. Not because I've gone a little out of my head, but just because things can happen. You can have visuals and experience things that aren't quite there in front of you for a lot of different reasons other than it being paranormal. So perhaps something like that. Hallucinations, right?

Starting point is 00:21:59 Hallucinations, sure. A lot of people take micro-naps. They don't even realize it's happening. They just fall asleep in their chair and they don't even know it's happening. And that sort of quick dream state can come in and you think it's quite real. And, you know, sleep deprived people, they're marathon runners. There's a famous story of a marathon runner and she was getting, you know, close and she literally would see rabbits and different animals saying, you can do it. Wow.

Starting point is 00:22:29 But she's hallucinating. She was so tired. Exactly, because she's so tired, but she has that drive. Interesting. Yeah, so that can, all that can happen. Yeah. That's cool to see you actually talk to scientists and get their perspective because as a ghost hunter, that's the opposite, right? You believe in spirituality and stuff so i do um and i thought you know when i when

Starting point is 00:22:49 i really took a close look at science and started to get into physics a little bit not that i'm studied by any i just read it you know but um i thought it would maybe dispel my belief a little bit but it's actually affirmed my belief in the paranormal, which is something I didn't quite expect because I was a little scared naively because you don't want your beliefs and what you love to sort of be shattered. And I thought maybe that would happen a little bit, but it didn't at all. If anything, it made me believe in paranormal phenomena or the ability to see paranormal phenomena more, the more I sort of studied and got a little deeper into physics. uh paranormal phenomenon or the ability to excuse me or the ability to see paranormal phenomenon

Starting point is 00:23:25 more the more i sort of studied and got a little deeper into physics yeah it's such a divisive topic right because you either do or don't believe in ghosts sure yeah yeah that that you're absolutely right it there aren't many people who are like well yeah it's like yeah um but most investigators i know and work with you know do sort of teeter that line, not on their belief, but on the individual experiences. You know, oh, did I really see that? Did that really just happen? And they get a little analytical. You don't want to just go, whoa, you know, unless it's something because your body will tell you. You'll go through all kinds of different things uh feelings and emotions that you didn't expect yeah because when you're investigating you don't want to force it right you want it just to happen and then be logical about yeah yep you don't you i don't think there's any way to maybe force it but we'll definitely use techniques to try to coerce an interaction oh yeah things like rapport building and exhibit has um you know a conscious and it's there and it can hear and and uh you know it's an intelligent type of energy or or being a spirit

Starting point is 00:24:32 whatever you want to label it um you know we do see in our our case study that uh when you build a rapport it's a little more likely to to get an interaction for sure wow i didn't expect that yeah um it's if you just walk in hey show yours you know i know you're here what are you doing show yourself um maybe it's not gonna you know come out yeah if you're thinking of it or looking at it or experiencing it as a human phenomena uh if this person didn't want to talk to you when they're alive, maybe they don't in death. And so walking around barking may not always be the best. Now, you can also implement that as a technique as well. I see investigators provoking and doing different things to

Starting point is 00:25:19 elicit an interaction. And that's a good technique if it's used properly right also for sure yeah i want to get your opinion on on spirit boxes and if you think you're actually communicating with the ghost because i was at zach bagans museum in vegas sure and there's a spirit box in the basement apparently there was a lot of demonic possessions down there and exorcisms and stuff so i was provoking it trying to get responses and it was actually responding okay so i was just wondering do you think that's actually like a spirit or something? There's two schools of thought when it, when it comes to that. And, uh, one is of course it's impossible that that can't be happening. You're just getting rogue frequencies or you're getting, uh, any sort of, uh, thing and, and, you know, creating it to

Starting point is 00:26:01 be, excuse me, you know, making it be something. So for instance, if the device says car, you could easily just go, I knew it, it's out by the car, let's go. So it can be easily, it can manipulate you. It really can manipulate you. But the investigators that use those devices that I love and trust, I see that they are looking for patterns. If it can say a certain word or say something once, why can't it two or three times?

Starting point is 00:26:32 So if you say, and I'm just using a random question, if you say, is your shirt blue or red, and you hear blue, try to get it to say it two or three times. If it goes blue uh car great then you know likely you're not communicating with anything so those devices i think could be uh possibly communicating with something um but if you're going to use them i would implement some safeguards to make sure that you actually are, you know, in the world of sort of the critically thinking when it comes to investigating. Two is a coincidence.

Starting point is 00:27:11 Three is a pattern. That's good to know. Yeah. Like you said, people ask the question once and then freak out if they answer. But you should ask it two or three times, right? Sure. Absolutely. I think so. And that, I think, will help you, even as an investigator, bring that evidence forward with more confidence. So if anybody comes at you and says, oh, it could be, no, no, I asked this three times in a row, I did this, and you can really combat the skeptics in that regard but uh you know most investigators aren't there to sort of change skeptics mind

Starting point is 00:27:45 because most of us myself included are skeptically minded you know which is important i think yeah you're absolutely right if you're just a firm believer you're going to start manifesting all sorts of things right yeah absolutely slightest sound could be a ghost right and that's more fun it really is you know we we want everything to be a ghost. I never want it. And unless I'm helping a family or somebody in a crisis situation where they really don't want it to be a ghost, then I don't either. Quite honestly, I want to disprove everything for them. But it is what it is. But by and large, if we're just investigating a place, we, I, always want it to be a ghost.

Starting point is 00:28:24 Because that's what we do that's you know where we can that's what we're doing it for absolutely also families are calling you about like their house being haunted yeah oh yeah you show up and yep try to disprove it yeah a lot of families a lot of businesses yeah um even now we get you know government uh like i mentioned right patterson air force you know places where, you know, you don't expect them to call and say, hey, we need help with our haunting, you know, but we go, we've done Buffalo Trace, you know, the whiskey, we go anywhere that they are having a hard time, but our focus has always been in still, you know, lives with families and helping people because, you know, whether you believe what they're saying or not,

Starting point is 00:29:06 as long as they believe, that's all that matters. Because if they believe their house is haunted, they're moving. They don't want to be there. You know, and if we can educate them and let them know what's really happening or maybe that nothing is happening, they love that. And they'll stay in their house, and that's important. But if it is something paranormal, we let them know as well. And well and you know we've had clients that have moved you know and not been able to stay i mean i'll blame them honestly oh yeah sure and it's not because but usually they

Starting point is 00:29:34 you know once you deliver that info there are ways where we can help them you know take control of their house back and be comfortable in their house. But it does take some time. To clear that energy out. Exactly. Or to just let them know what's happening and how to, you know, you really can humanize it for them and make it not so scary. And then they end up being able to live with it and interact with it in a safe way and comfortable way. Wow. But some people don't want to, you know, take that time.

Starting point is 00:30:03 They're like, haunted, I'm out. Yeah. Two weeks later, their house is for sale. I feel that. I feel that. And you don't have to take that time. They're like, haunted, I'm out. Two weeks later, their house is for sale. I feel that. And you don't have to disclose if it's haunted. So the next person just deals with it, right? Yeah, that's absolutely true. There are some states, and I believe Massachusetts where I live is one of them where you are supposed to disclose that.

Starting point is 00:30:19 But you're right, by and large, you don't have to be like, and guess what? There's some demons in here yeah no because i was telling you before this we just found out my house i grew up in new jersey was haunted by a pervert oh gosh so i told you when i was a kid i used to have to sleep with the lights on yeah and i always wondered why i felt like someone was watching me growing up so that was weird to find out man that sounds terrifying quite honestly like super weird i know this is the like a silly question even asked but what makes you think it was like a perverted presence yeah that's a good question i guess but i have like this spiritual coach advisor and she just read the house and

Starting point is 00:30:55 that's what she said so i don't have like proof of it but i think there was definitely some sort of dark energy in that house yeah did you get that feeling when you're a kid that's some all something i would have to sleep with the lights on. I would get sleep paralysis. It was just, it always felt kind of heavy. I never felt like I got a good night's rest. Wow.

Starting point is 00:31:14 You know what I mean? Yeah. How are you feeling now? Do you feel like anything? Yeah. Yeah. I live in Vegas now and yeah. So nothing's followed you around or anything?

Starting point is 00:31:21 No, but maybe you guys got to get over there. Hey, if, if, if, if, if,

Starting point is 00:31:24 if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if maybe you guys got to get over there. Hey, if- And double confirm it. I mean, if, do you still own the property or are there- No, my mom sold it, but I'm sure I could find the person. Okay. I'm sure they would want to know if it's haunted. It would be interesting, you know, and yeah, that would be really good. And we do find, you know, that some people can be haunted, right? Where something is following them around, whether it's a person or some sort of energy.

Starting point is 00:31:46 But likely it's more the location, you know, and they may be there and stay there. And so if, you know, the new owners come in, that sort of thing, there's a good chance that they're experiencing things as well. Yeah, because the house was new. It was built in like the 90s or 2000s. So I think it was just whatever the land was before

Starting point is 00:32:04 something happened. Or maybe there's a theory that you can move as it goes too. So maybe he moved. I don't know. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. That would be more like either an attachment type of scenario. Or there are some reports, and we've even seen some things where the phenomena is traveling, I know, at the, I guess, at the speed of thought.

Starting point is 00:32:26 Wow. You know, I'm here, now I'm there. Wow. Yeah, that's. That's scary to think about. Yeah. There's objects like dolls that apparently have hauntings within the doll. Sure, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:38 Like Annabelle, right? I mean, I don't know how many people really think that there is sort of a spirit or a demon or some sort of presence within, like inhabiting the body of the doll. But it's more like it would be around the doll and maybe doing things around the doll, there with the doll, maybe manipulating the doll on the outside, perhaps, moving. But that, yeah, I'm very, very lucky, quite honestly, that I have a lot of things in my house that people have claimed to be haunted that I think could be haunted, things that I've taken from haunted locations. Not stealing, but for instance, I bought a sword that we used once during an investigation. People have given me things. I've acquired items, and nothing has ever happened in my house. And I prefer that because I value sleep.

Starting point is 00:33:38 I do. And quite honestly, when somebody is in a real haunted's, they have a hard time maintaining friendships. They have a hard time maintaining relationships. I had a hard time. See? Looking back at it, it's probably connected. Yeah. And even careers.

Starting point is 00:33:53 You know, if you, and this is maybe a silly comparison, but the movie Poltergeist, right? In the beginning, he's, you know, a family man. He's watching the game with his friends. He's having a great time. Life is awesome. Halfway through the movie, he hasn't shaved in two weeks. You know, he's in a robe every day. He's lost his job. The family's at odds. And that's a little more what it's like when people are dealing with a real haunting. It's not always like, this is awesome. You know, sometimes it creates havoc on their life. And so I'm pretty happy that I don't live in a haunted house.

Starting point is 00:34:27 I'm so surprised because you've go to so many of the most haunted places in the world and nothing's happened to you. It's impressive. Yeah, thank you. Although I don't think anybody really knows what their interpretation of time and space is. So maybe for me, it seems like a long time, but they're just waiting. Give them a couple more days. We'll be coming. Who knows? Knock on wood knock on wood right yeah steve it's been fun anything you want to promote or close off with please yeah i have a book called a life with ghosts and they can get a

Starting point is 00:34:54 signed copy at assigned ghost book.com you can find me on all the social medias steve gonzalez official and of course documentaries uh we have the house in between one and two where we implement Science with the paranormal and of course go centers ghost nation love it. You make it all below. Thanks for watching guys Thanks for coming on and you guys next time

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