Digital Social Hour - The Truth About Confidence in Modern Dating | Casiah West & Chase DSH #1305

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

Uncover the truth about confidence in modern dating! 💬 In this episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly, we're joined by Casiah West and Chase for a deep dive into the dynamics of modern relationships, confidence, and how societal norms are reshaping dating today. From the challenges of insecurity to the impact of social media and red pill ideologies, this conversation is packed with valuable insights and candid stories that will have you rethinking everything you know about dating.  Discover why confidence is the ultimate game-changer, hear jaw-dropping takes on relationship roles, and find out how traditional values meet modern expectations. Plus, we tackle controversial topics like cheating, societal pressures, and what really matters in building a lasting connection. 🌟 Tune in now for an unfiltered discussion that will leave you inspired and informed. Don’t miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and let us know your thoughts in the comments below. 👇 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 01:03 - Why Men Hate Women 04:57 - Prolon 08:01 - Do Women Only Want Men for Money? 09:58 - Lumati Red 12:14 - Cheating is Common 17:28 - Insecurity is Unattractive 19:57 - How to Get a Girl to Like You 23:55 - Makeup Sex 25:35 - Kevin Samuels 29:44 - Most Men Are Gay 35:00 - Is Watching Porn Cheating? 40:04 - Do Nice Guys Finish Last? 41:53 - Fresh and Fit Exposed 47:55 - "Women Should Chase You" Mentality 49:20 - Dan Bilzerian and the "Girls" Trend 51:50 - What's Next for You Guys? 56:56 - Thoughts on Dating Apps 59:00 - How Are Clubs Doing? 59:35 - Pro Tip: Approach Girls Confidently 1:00:41 - Where to Find Casiah West & Chase  APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Casiah West & Chase https://www.instagram.com/casiahwest/ https://www.instagram.com/deveanchase SPONSORS: PROLON: http://prolonlife.com/DSH LUMATI: https://www.lumati.com/dsh LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #moderndating #relationshipinsights #redpill #highvaluemen #datingadvice

or in love with their secretary or they cheated. But now it's literally getting to the point where they hate women. Yep. For being a woman. And it's, and also saying that you should only hang out with your guys. All I want to do is get one.

Thing. What the hell is going on? And then the other issue is, is most men are actually gay. What? Yes. I did not expect that. All right guys, got Cassia and Chase here today. We're going to talk relationships.

You guys have been blowing up on social media. Congrats on all that. Only two months in, you said? Yeah, it definitely started to blow up like two months in. And we've taken so many breaks on it too. Like we'll stop posting for like four or six months. And like when we go back to it, it just keeps going. Yeah We're not we're not consistent at all. Yeah, you guys don't want to go full-time. Are you scared or

Just you know, we never did it to start for the money, you know I own a bunch of tech companies she was you know, just chilling at home and really we just talk shit all the time Yeah, but a camera on camera. Yeah, I love was. You guys are very open with like relationship stuff. It's impressive. A lot of couples are scared to speak out, but it sounds like you guys got good communication going, right? Yeah, for sure.

Definitely. What was the first few videos that kind of blew up? What were they about? I think, so that day, like the day of the podcast, I read this book about, you know, the psychological differences between men and women, and the reasons that most couples get into arguments. So I think it was the one about like,

men having only one area of the brain for listening, or for language, and I really was doing it to give women, the, like so women would understand the reasons that their men aren't able to listen, but guys just immediately took it as a woman is talking, I'm furious, I'm not gonna listen. So after a couple of those, I was just like, you know what? Forget it, forget it.

Like you guys are the worst audience. I'm not helping men anymore. Cause I could give men great advice, but with all the content that comes out that makes them hate women, they just don't listen. So it just became me giving women the ammunition that they need to send to their boyfriends when their boyfriends are sending them videos

of Andrew Tate. Yeah. And you know, the crazy thing is with your videos, it's just, it's the knowledge in it is just so basic common sense. And just because she's saying it in the way that she's saying it, men can't handle it. So literally just be like, oh, you get testosterone in the morning, so it's easier for you to wake up, right? Just a physiological difference.

And they're like, I can't believe you're saying this. Like, my woman should get up at 6 a.m. Just like, where does this come from? It's insane. And I don't know anyone in real life that actually talks that way or thinks that way. It's easier to say stuff like that on social media. But then in person, you don't really come across it

that often, I bet. But women are dealing with their men being mad at them for not being as productive as they are, like as if it matters. I mean, I'm guilty of that for sure. Really? Well, yeah, when I get up in the morning, I'm like, why aren't you getting up with me?

But then she told me women scientifically need like an extra hour of sleep or something. Yes, absolutely. So I could see that, you know? Yeah, women are- And I'm pretty logical. So once you present facts and data and reputable studies, I'm like, yeah, I'll agree.

I'll wake up earlier than you and that's fine. Exactly. But I definitely used to be like, get up, you know? I'm not gonna lie about it. But- Oh, why do you care? Like, why do you need your woman to have the same energy levels as you?

I just like her being productive. Why? It's like, turns me on, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want my woman, I don't want my woman like lying in bed all day. Okay. You know, like, how do you feel about that?

So, I mean, I was raised pretty traditionally. So it's like, for me, it's like, I make all the money. And she takes care of the house. You know, she does, I literally do nothing in the house. Like, everything is ready for me, set for me. If I get out of the shower, I have a new set of towels in my house. Like, everything is ready for me, set for me. If I get out of the shower, I have a new set of towels in my shower. The next time I take a shower, like very, very on point.

She's on point with all of it. Well done. So go ahead and sleep in as much as you want. I don't care. It's like she's doing her part in the relationship. I take care of things financially. Okay. That's it. So you got like a good understanding

of each other's roles. Yeah. And people don't realize that she is that type of person. Yeah, people don't realize that I'm very traditional in the sense of he takes care of the bills, but I do literally everything for him and I treat him like that's my man and I'm taking care of my man.

It's just because like, but yeah, I'm not gonna tolerate him giving me an attitude. That's not okay. But you can throw your clothes around, you can leave your beard hair around. I'll do the dishes, I take out the trash, I cook, I clean, like I do everything else. Wow. That's impressive. That's pretty rare these days, I feel like. Yeah, listen, I love- Long work weeks and busy weekends can leave you feeling and looking depleted.

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I'd rather take care of all of that because I have businesses to run, right? So if I'm doing that all throughout the day, I don't want to worry about things. Like even just coming here, like whenever we travel, I don't even know what's in my suitcase. Like it's all fully packed, ready to go. It's amazing. She picks out all my outfits, everything, just like, here you go.

You know, I just go close my eyes and show up and that's it, you know? So it works, it works. And if you want a relationship like that, it's totally fine. And how did you set that up? Was it a conversation before you started dating or when did that, how exactly did you get that going? I mean, I had my own career.

I was a dietician and he was like, why are you working? You don't make enough money to make a difference. And for him, I think, you know, he realizes that if you pay for a woman's life, like if you take care for a woman's life, like if you take care of a woman, she has the time and energy to take care of him. So, I mean, he already saw that I'm, you know, cooking, cleaning, doing everything.

So if he's the one that's paying the bills, I could basically just focus on that and be relaxed. Because a woman that's not relaxed is not gonna be happy with her man. Yeah. You get labeled by the haters that you're a gold digger? I don't even think they've come up with this yet. They say I'm a spinster

and that I'm never gonna get married. And I'm like, sweetheart, I don't know why this is hard to see. Well, I don't know if you saw that apartment tour video of our, so we have like a two story penthouse in the city. And so this guy that does that, you know, he goes around and he goes like, hey, can I tour your-

Oh, I've seen that guy. Is that Daniel Mack or something? No, Caleb Simpson. Okay. Yeah. I think I've seen those. Yeah. And so he came, he did our, you know, penthouse in New York. Yeah. So all the comments, there was some Gold Digger comments

for sure. Yeah. And then calling me like a trust fund baby and all this stuff. It's just like hate, but that's why that video was one of the most viewed videos on his channel is because they need something to hate. Like you've, you know, I started off in the projects, like I had nothing. And then she also like her family's not wealthy, but you know, we, they just need something to hate, but it's just like, it is what it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the red pill movement, they pushed this idea that women only want men for money these days. Yes. You know? The thing, the problem is it's extremely expensive to live and it's hard enough for even men to make enough money. So I understand, of course,

women want to feel taken care of. Like that's not an issue. But when you say that women only want men for money, then you're completely, like it's, I think they use it as an excuse to not have any game. Like men don't know how to get women, so they blame women for not wanting them because they don't have enough money.

Because a woman will be with a man if she likes him, but there's no content that's teaching men how to get women. It's just teaching men to be mad at women for not wanting them. Yeah. I had no money when we met. Really? I was making maybe like $70K living in New York, $70K to $80K living in New York. Yeah, his apartment was a trash.

I was just a scumbag. I would be going out to the club. I was getting drunk every night. That's when we met, but it was like, you know, I was still on my game as far as like my career. That was my, you know, first job and everything. And I still have my companies on the, on the come up, but she, you know, even as smart as she is and everything, like, you know, you, as a woman, you need to be able to see the potential of a man. And I think that's a big thing that people are missing. It is because I have friends that they'll say, oh, well, this guy is only making $400,000 a year. It's not enough.

And yeah, honestly, it is a lot of money. But then when you really look at it, it kind of isn't a lot of money just because of how expensive everything is. But if you're not expecting like extreme luxuries in life, then it's completely fine. But I think women are not, you know, women are lacking the ability to see the potential in a man.

Yeah. Do you think it's like a city problem? Cause living in cities is really expensive. I think it's a city problem. And I think it's a problem of them meeting someone that actually has that amount. Shout out to today's sponsor, Lumadi Red. Dealing with sore joints, muscle aches,

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and start feeling the difference today. I have money, so it's like, yeah, it's a small percentage of men that can hit that criteria. Right. But if you, if that girl meets one guy that gives her a little bit of attention and it could be like a week's worth of attention and it's like, she gets to experience that now her, you know, and we've seen this happen, it's like her idea of it is just like, Oh, this is normal.

This is normal. This is what I, what I need, what I want. But counterpoint to that, that is a small contingent of women that feel this way. Most of the girls that hit you up, most of our friends that are single, they just want a guy that just likes them and isn't a prick.

Yeah. Or isn't gonna cheat on them. But that's the other thing, they'll want a man, like, I don't know, like those women want a man that has millions of dollars and for some reason, he's not gonna cheat on them. It's unrealistic, right? It's extremely unrealistic.

Like I don't, I feel that you can have, you can have an honest relationship without having a monogamous relationship. And most guys don't want to tell a woman that they have certain needs or expectations, or they want a certain dynamic in the relationship because they wanna get the woman, so they lie to them about it.

And then they just end up cheating instead of just saying, hey, what I want is for us to be with other girls together. What I want is to be able to have an open relationship and you can't do it. There's different types of relationships in the world, but you have to be honest about it, but they're not willing to be honest about it because they don't want to not get the girl.

Yeah, yeah, I hear cheating's pretty common. I've been in a relationship for eight years, but all my friends, they say cheating is just- I'd say 99% of men cheat. 99%? I would bet anything that 99%- 99% of men that- Can, yeah, 99% of men that can cheat will cheat.

It's not to say that they have the opportunity to, but if the opportunity is given, 99%. That's insane. I mean, it's like, if you told a guy, it's like, all right, you have the opportunity to cheat with this attractive woman and there will be no consequences and it will never be found out how many of those guys

are going to stay loyal. It's a really low bar. But to her point, you need to put your cards on the table in the beginning of the relationship as a man, right? Because if you don't, then now you're putting yourself and her in this like prison for no reason of, oh, I'm not gonna tell you how I feel and you're not gonna tell me how you feel.

And we're just gonna- You can never be close. Spend years of your lives just trapped. Trapped and lying to each other. Yeah. And you can't be best friends with someone if you're lying to them about whether or not you're attracted to anyone else. And that's another thing, women can't be best friends with someone if you're lying to them about whether or not

you're attracted to anyone else. And that's another thing, women can't handle their man being attracted to another woman, even though you were just a woman that they were attracted to to begin with. It doesn't just shut off. And I made a video about that and girls were really angry that I would say that.

But the thing is, it gives you so much power as a woman. If you can understand that, yes, my man can be attracted to another woman and it doesn't threaten our relationship and it doesn't diminish his attraction to you. It just means that you, like your biology is working properly. Like you can see the shapes of a woman

and you are triggered to feel that they're attractive. It's just that you're programmed that way and there's no problem with it. Yeah, we're made to reproduce, right? Exactly. Exactly. That's the only driving factor in every living being is the desire to reproduce. I wonder if women think that way too

when they see attractive men. It's... There's not a lot of attractive men in the world. Yeah, there's really not. There's so many more attractive women than there are men. That's true. And that's why men are more likely to cheat because where's the temptation for women?

I would say 3% of men are attractive and at least 70% of women at least have the ability to be attractive. Cause all you really have to do is be a bit in shape. You can do your hair, you could do makeup, but for men, there's not too much that you could do. And they're just, and then on top of that, they need to attract the woman

because you could look attractive and your personality could be awful, which is the case most of the time. Like most really attractive guys have no personality. I see that with women too though, to be fair. But yeah, I agree. That's true. That's true.

Yeah, it's usually people that, cause you need to develop a personality when you don't look good. Otherwise- Facts. You gotta make up for it, right? Yeah, yeah. I think that's another, about like women cheating. I don't think women cheat as much.

Um, if they're with the right guy, the guy is stable and confident in himself. Then there is almost no way that she will cheat. And this is take this from someone who used to be a promoter. He used to go to clubs all the time. I saw and participated in some of the situations where a girl would cheat on her boyfriend. And it was always the guy that was blowing up her phone when she was out with her friends,

calling her a cheater preemptively. So at that point it's like, all right, she thinks I'm fucking cheating anyway, but let me just go have fun. But if you're the type of guy, and the girls that don't do it, it's like they have a guy at home that's just like, oh, go have fun. Do you think hanging out with your friends, let me know if you're the type of guy, and the girls that don't do it, it's like they have a guy at home that's just like, oh, go have fun.

Do your thing, hang out with your friends, let me know if you're all right. You can't, no guy will ever come up to a girl in a club that has that much fucking confidence of a person that's just like, hey, you know, I trust you and I trust in myself and who I am as a man that you're not gonna do anything. And guys can't manufacture that, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, cause a woman, it's so rare am as a man that you're not gonna do anything. And guys can't manufacture that, it's crazy.

Damn. Yeah, cause a woman, it's so rare to find a man that's actually that confident. So when a woman actually has a man like that at home, a man that's not insecure, she's not gonna cheat on him. Yeah, I see a lot of guys that are controlling and it makes me wonder if that's pushing them towards cheating.

100%. The only time I've ever cheated in my life was on a guy that was constantly blowing up my phone and I like kiss other guys and I was like in my early twenties and I felt so guilty that I was like I could never cheat again because it's like crushing my psyche. I can't handle the guilt. Yeah. But yeah, he would, you know, if you're blowing up your girl's phone

when she's just taking a shower and just not answering, what you're doing is showing her that you are so insecure, that it is so unattractive that you need to just go find someone else that's more attractive to you. She will lose respect for you with every single text that you send that makes you feel insecure.

That makes her think that you're an insecure person. Because insecurity is the worst thing. And it's not even just with women. Like me and you, if we met an insecure man that wanted to be our friend and they were coming from a place of like, oh, I really, really need this. You feel that. You feel that like vibe of people. Yeah.

And for women is times 10, cause now- They're more sensitive to- You're actually having sex with this guy too. You know what I mean? Like this guy was so insecure, blowing it before, where are you? Are you cheating on me? Now all of a sudden you're gonna get turned on again?

Never again. It's insane. Never again. Cause women like confidence, right? Women only like confidence. Yeah, it's number one. If you have $100 million, and if a woman is married to a man with $100 million,

and she meets a guy that's broke and confident, she'll probably cheat with him. Damn. 100%. 100%. And I've seen it, I've literally seen this happen, I've seen this play out and guys don't understand Looks don't actually matter if you have that level of confidence the amount of guys that I've seen like Having the hottest girlfriends. They're just like

Super confident maybe a little bit funny They don't look that great and what you see like cuz we go out a lot and we know associate with these Like fashion types and all that, models don't date models. That's not like a thing. Like you rarely see a couple that's like too like very, very attractive, you know, conventionally attracted to people.

It's usually just like these confident dudes that are just like rolling up and yeah, it's, it's crazy. Like looks just really don't matter. And I, you know, it sounds kind of, it's hard to believe. It's definitely hard to believe. Like when I got her, for example, or when I was like out, I was 250 pounds.

I was like a fucking big boy. I didn't take care of myself, nothing. You were losing your hair. I was losing my hair cause I was like going out too much and like not getting enough sleep. And I had just had so much delusional confidence that I could roll up to anyone and I know they'll like me.

When she first met me, I barely gave her attention. She didn't even look at me. I was so pissed off. Damn, where was this? The club? It was at One Oak in New York City. In New York City. In the day.

Yeah. And she was just like, who is this guy? Meanwhile, if you saw pictures of me, you'd be like, what the fuck is this? Right? It was crazy. That's funny. Cause they say never a wife up a girl you meet at the club, but you prove them wrong.

Oh yeah. I mean, I appreciate honesty. I'm a little bit different. It's like to me, it's like, if a girl has sex with me the first night, then she values me. That sounds crazy. But I- So has sex with me the first night, then she values me. That sounds crazy. But I-

So you guys had sex the first night? No, it wasn't the first night. You had a girlfriend. I had a girlfriend. Wait, what? But I was like- Had to do a thing. She didn't do anything.

It was about a year later. The truth comes out. I actually, I sent, so I met him, I liked him. He thought I was his friend's girlfriend because this guy was lying to everyone in New York saying that I was his girlfriend. That's weird. It was, it was a strange situation.

But then, um, a little while later I saw him again and I didn't hook up with him because I don't double dip into the friend group. I don't like to do that. So I sent my best friend to go hook up with him. And she came back to my apartment the next morning and like with a coffee that he got her and she was telling me about him. And I was like, oh, like, I like this guy. Like I like his backstory and everything.

And then I wanted him to make an app for me a year later. And then that's when we started like actually hanging. Classic love story. Wow. So your friend hooked up with him. Yeah. Like it's like a test, I guess. classic love story. Wow. So your friend hooked up with him. Yeah. Like it's like a test, I guess.

But to that point, it's like what guys saying like, oh, girls are too promiscuous or whatever it is, or you wouldn't be finding a girl in a club, for example, right? It's just like, if you were, I don't know if I want to use Drake at this point, but at that level. You would. Future? Yeah, like top level celebrity type of guy, right? I don't know if I want to use Drake at this point, but you know at that at that level

Yeah, like, you know top level celebrity type of guy, right and you meet a girl at a club The way that she interacts with that celebrity is like she's more than likely Going to have sex with him that night. Yeah, because of his status, right? Nothing more than his status his status, right? Nothing more than his status. So if you meet a girl and you're not a celebrity and you have enough status where she sees that status that you have and she sleeps with you that night, you should be looking at that as like a serious connection

that you guys had because it's not easy for, like she always says, like, and you say it better than me, that it's a lot for a girl to have sex with somebody. Yeah, for a girl, like that's the other thing because men are and you say it better than me, that it's a lot for a girl to have sex with somebody. Yeah, for a girl, like that's the other thing, cause men are treating sex like it's an expectation, but for a woman, sex is not what it is for a man. We're, someone's putting their body parts inside of us.

It's weird. And if it's bad, it is the worst thing on the planet. And they don't understand that because a man doesn't understand bad sex. Because you could put your dick in a couch and it'll probably feel good. But for a woman, even if it feels good, if it's awkward, it's like going through hell. And they're just expecting it.

And that's another thing is like the expectation makes... The expectation is the opposite of being turned on for a woman. Because, I mean, in reality, like the desire to have sex comes from dopamine and you only get dopamine from things that you want to have, not things that you already have. So if you give a girl the expectation, like if that is what's on the table and what's expected of her,

there's no possible way for her to want it. Wow. There's no possible way for her to be turned on. So it's like, if you're like, oh, well, we're supposed to have sex every night, you know, this week, and that's like our routine and that's our schedule. There's nothing, you know,

maybe some girls that have like a highly, you know, high sex drive. Lily Phillips. One thing, yeah, something like that. But most girls are not gonna want sex to be brought up in that way to be like, oh yeah, now we're gonna do it again at this time because that's my job.

For men, it's a little bit different because our thing is just like a switch. We're just like there. It takes like two fucking seconds ready to go just by looking at something. But for a woman, it takes some time. It's like a, it's like a volume knob, right? It's like slow.

It's like, it needs a, it needs a buildup and needs something. It can't just be like, oh, you worked all day. All right, now it's time. But yeah, you got to hype it up. You got to get them wet. You got to turn them on for a bit. You know, you got to do something and it could be, you know, something during the day, it could be something through the week.

There's so many different things. And also if she resents you, if there's any resentment left, like in her mind about something that you've done, she's not gonna wanna do it. So makeup sex isn't a thing? I, the thought of makeup sex, absolutely not, absolutely not.

Like it's gonna take me now a week. If you piss me off, it's gonna take a week before I'm ready to have sex with you. Damn, sorry you have to deal with that, man. This is why he doesn't piss me off. Wow, a week, geez. And see, the thing is like also with that, as a man, you need to understand those types of things too.

And this is why her videos get so many like hateful comments because she'll say things like that. And as a man, you know, we kind of forgive easily, I guess it's like, if my best friend says something to me and it pissed me off, the next thing would be like, yo, yeah, we forget quick. Right. But for a woman, she might like say, okay, I accept your apology, but the emotions are still there.

They're literally thinking about it like it just happened. But it's just a mental thing. It's just like how they process things. It's very, very different. Well, when a woman remembers what you did, she goes through the emotional experience that she had the first time with it, and men don't have that.

So they don't understand why you're still pissed off. Yeah, that happens to me a lot, actually. Yeah, like you, I just forget it so quickly. Yeah, because that's how you're wired, and women are not wired that way. Yeah, that happens to me a lot actually. Yeah, like you, I just forget it so quick. So quick. Because that's how you're wired and women are not wired that way. Yeah. That makes sense.

And it's good to know. It's good to know for your relationships and for just, you know, progressing through life. What do you guys think of Andrew Tate and his message? Well, they call her Andrea Tate. Every time in the comments, it's Andrea Tate or female Andrea Tate.

And honestly, like when, one of the reasons that I started talking about any of this stuff is because I saw the like red pill content, the misogynistic content, Kevin Samuels or whatever. I think Kevin Samuels was like before Andrea Tate. But he was really brainwashing guys into thinking that they have this superiority complex, but it's all coming from their insecurities.

It's all coming from the fact that they want women, they can't get women, so they're gonna be mad at women about it. Instead of, hey, let me teach you how to get women because he doesn't know how. He doesn't know how to make a girl like him without money. And all he's doing is teaching guys how to be an asshole and expect sex from a woman.

Like I saw the video where he said that he told his girl that she's a sex worker because if she stopped having sex with him, then he would stop paying for her. So what you're saying is she doesn't want to have sex with you, that's the message there. Yeah, yeah. And what he teaches is that if she doesn't want to have sex with you or if she doesn't like you, it's her fault.

And it's always the woman's fault or a women kind or society that's doing it to you, because it can't be you. And if he says it's your fault and you're not doing something in that situation, then it doesn't work, the message doesn't work because they need to identify with the blame. They need to identify with like hurt and people being against you, right? So everyone that listens to Andrew Tate,

they're acting like they're martyrs in the world and everyone is just against them. Everyone is just attacking them. It's insane. Instead of being like, okay, let's say I got dealt a bad hand. Just like I grew up in the project. So I was dealt a really fucking bad hand. It's either I could have taken that and said,

oh, look at, you know, woe is me. I can't fucking do anything. And oh, girls don't like me because I don't have money. Whatever it is. Or I was just like, you know what? No, I'm starting from lower than most people and I'm gonna move forward. I'm not gonna blame external circumstances

for what's gonna happen in my future. That's it. And that's the kind of message you should be pushing because this guy is smart. Andrew Tate is smart, but he's also dumb because of just the rhetoric that he's pushing out. He's smart enough to know what he's doing. And I think he's smart enough to know

the damage he's causing, but he doesn't want to dial it back at all. Because he's an asshole. I mean, he's clearly an asshole. Like he's smart and he figured out that, yeah, people want to, they want someone to blame. It's like every dictator or awful person, like they identify that people want to be angry and that's how they're

going to follow their advice. But it's, it's making guys not know how to get girls, like essentially, and it's making girls, girls are starting to notice when a guy watches that kind of content and it becomes the biggest red flag and they're not going to stay with that guy. But it's even getting into the youth. Like teachers have talked about how Gen Alpha,

I think that's the youngest one, like kids from like five years old to like 10 years old are growing up becoming misogynistic because of this content, because it's on things like YouTube and everything, and that's where boys watch content, and also the younger generation doesn't even watch TV. They generally watch YouTube.

So they're learning to hate women. Like I had a video that did pretty well, I think because of the election. And you know, in the past, misogyny used to be that men treated women like objects or, you know, they were in love with their secretary or they cheated. But now it's literally getting to the point where they hate women for being a woman. And also saying that you should only hang out with your guys.

All I want to do is get women. Thing. What the hell is going on? And then the other issue is, is most men are actually gay. What? Yes. I did not expect that to come out of your mouth. It really is, because when you,

like most girls will get with another girl. Yeah. There's no stigma about that. And I'm telling you from experience, it's true. Yeah. And how is it that all, but women are like that, but men aren't.

And back in the day, like in ancient times, men were having sex with each other. That was completely normal. And then they stopped it being normal for one, because they wanted the birth rates to go up. So they made it so that you could, like it's basically illegal to do that. And then they, you know, they put it in the Bible

and now it's, there's a huge stigma against it. So I think a lot of these men that hate women so much, they actually do hate them because they don't even want to have sex with them. They want to have sex with their bros. Yeah, it's- And there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it.

There's nothing wrong with it. But we see the bro culture getting more and more like sussed by that dude. Oh yeah. It's just like, oh, oh like why would you I've literally seen videos where it's like oh Oh, there was one video where like they showed like this girl She was like a gold digger prank Yeah, those fake videos where the girl goes up to the guy in the Lambo and gets in the car Yeah, and the guys oh no no no she goes up and tries to get in the car and the guy instead calls over the Boyfriend and the boyfriend gets in the car, and he's like oh yeah like I don't fuck with gold diggers

I'm like what kind of fucking? Gay shit is this that's insane. Yeah, like what is the message here? It's gotten so misogynistic that it's actually gay I could see it. I mean birth control in the water making boys into you know soy boys or whatever I think see it. I mean, birth control in the water, making boys into, you know, soy boys or whatever. I think it's just, I think there's just a lot of, most people are just on a spectrum of sexuality and it's just totally normal. And there's just such a stigma about it that, and yeah, it's just like they're using

this misogynistic content as an excuse for why they don't want to be nice to women and don't want to be around them. Yeah. Yeah, she put out a video that basically said what she's saying right now, that there is so many DL guys that are in relationships and being hateful towards women. And it blew up and it went viral.

And all the women in the comments- Within a few hours. And all the women in the comments. Within a few hours. All the women in the comments like, yeah, I found my guy on Grindr. All kinds of shit. Tons. And it's like. Hunting trips?

The amount of girls that said that their men, they caught their men going on hunting trips with their bros and their family members, just to find out that they were all having sex with each other and hiring cookers and having like orgies on these hunting trips. Oh my God. Yeah.

That's wild. It's ridiculous. That video blew up. All these girls are just like, yeah, I found him on Grindr, I found him on this. Like, yeah, it turns out he was fucking a dude, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, you know, go do that. Just be gay then.

Stop saying it. Just be gay. Dick to your girls. Especially like, you know, I understand if you're like repressed because of some religious thing. Yeah, yeah. But most of society does not care anymore. I don't care, yeah.

Yeah, so it's just like, you know, don't force yourself to be with a girl just because you, I don't know, who are you even fucking looking good for at this point? It's insane. And then you're attacking women in their relationships. And they're cheating. That's another reason that men are cheating

and they're so dissatisfied with one woman because they're not satisfied with women at all. And they end up on these, my, okay. Because I was doing these, like this content about relationships, you know, I get the material from relationships that I've been in in the past and also like from the comments that I see. So this girl reaches out to me and she was like,

you're my husband's ex-girlfriend and I'm now realizing it's you, whatever. Basically it turns out he was a serial cheater with her and with guys and girls. With guys and girls. Like he was, I won't go into it. She was gonna marry this guy. I was gonna marry this guy.

Oh, you didn't know he was doing it? I was with him for five years. No, no, no. Damn. You would not have known. Like he's like NYPD, military. Like you would think that this is like all American guy, like loves hanging out with his bros, can't stay away from them.

That's crazy. And yeah, he was on gay dating apps. Yeah. Like, and she even said to him, like, I will stay with, like, whatever you want to do, like, whatever arrangement you want to have. And he still just kept doing it. It's because of a lot, like I said in the beginning, it's the lack of honesty. And it's a lack of honesty causing that repression.

Now, he might not even be fully gay. He might just be like bisexual or just like deviant and sexually. But it's because you don't, because you're not honest about who you are and you're not actually showing your partner who you are, then you're going to feel more and more and more repressed and repression is the number one cause of sexual deviancy. You know, it's like, photography changed that from back in the day, but before that, you know, it just creates this like level of, you know, weirdness.

When you repress your urges. I can see that. When you repress who you are, it's insane. Do you guys think watching is cheating? I don't think watching is cheating. I think it's like- I think it's bad for you. Yeah.

Yeah, it's bad when you get addicted to it, but I think women should see it as, you know, taking a little bit of the pressure off themselves because men kind of need that release, especially when they're not kind of like emotionally mature. when they're not kind of like emotionally mature. So they're just doing it to just release their bodies. It's not like they're in love with the girl. What I do think is unacceptable

is then following that girl on Instagram and like trying to message her. That's weird. That's when it becomes like a personal thing. And I think OnlyFans has made it really weird. I think guys should like... If your man is just watching porn from a porn website and he's not like obsessed with this one girl,

then it's kind of like a don't ask, don't tell situation. But it's not cheating. I mean, you can decide it's cheating if you want to, but then you're just gonna drive yourself insane. And also, yeah, and for women, it's like, you know, pick your battles here, because if you tell him, hey, I don't want you watching, I think it's cheating. He's probably going to want to do it more, because especially as a guy

that doesn't think that it's cheating, it's just like, oh, what is this fucking restriction you're putting on me? You know, and now it's taboo. Now, yeah, now it's taboo. And like, oh, my God, it's so bad. She's just going to do it when you're not around and then you're putting on me. Now it's taboo. Yeah, now it's taboo. And often like, oh my God, it's so bad. She's just gonna do it when you're not around and then you're gonna find out and then your relationship is gonna blow up.

And that's one thing with women's expectations is you just have to, you really, really have to pick your battles when it comes to personality traits and money, things like that. Like I see these videos on the Red Pill community of like, Oh, what kind of guy do you want? Oh, he has to be six two and he has to be whatever. And then they show like the person.

Yeah. I've seen that delusional quiz. Yeah. Delusional quiz. Yeah. So you add all the characteristics you want in a man and then give you like the percentage of the population that it is. And it's like 0.001%.

Not surprising. Not surprising at all. Yeah. But it's like, you have to pick your battles and I think society and women as a whole just need to move towards like, hey, do I find this guy comfortable to be around? Do I like his personality?

And start from that point and then see all the other things after instead of starting with the logistics first. Yeah, especially height too. Yeah, they're obsessed with height, the six foot thing. I don't think women are, women are not obsessed with height. Really? No.

Oh, I thought they were. Like, there's so, I know this guy. I'm not going to say his name, but one of our friends, he's like maybe up to my shoulder. But he's taller than me. Like most guys, even if they're short, they're still taller than the girl. That's all you need.

Or the same height. But this guy, you introduce him to a girl and he's just this like quirky dude. Immediately, who's that guy? They're in love with this dude. They don't think about his height at all. Who are you talking about now? I thought you were talking about the guy

that's insecure about his height. No, no, no, I'm talking about the guys that aren't insecure about their height. It's like when they don't have that insecurity and they're just cool and they're comfortable. Maybe that was a myth. They overlook the hell out of me. Because honestly, I will say,

it's just like a different flavor of ice cream when a guy is a different height. But the thing is, when you are shorter, when you're at eye level with a woman, you have a better connection with her than a guy that's much taller. Like she can talk to you and it's almost like you're in a secret club together. Cause like you're able to just communicate like

on that level. And when you're confident, it does not matter. It does not matter. I've been with guys that are my height. I've been with, you know, your height. It doesn't matter. Like, yeah, sure, it's nice, but it's just the fact of if you're obsessed

with the fact that you're short, then it's gonna be weird. It's gonna come out. And I know who you're talking about. Yeah. And the guys that are obsessed with it and feel insecure about it, it's palpable. Napoleon complex.

It's insane, dude. Yeah. I don't even think it's. Napoleon complex. It's insane, dude. I don't even think it's a Napoleon complex. It's just like, oh, you know what? Yeah. I mean, you see it not even just in dating and sports. Like they just get angry on the basketball court. Like the anger. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like so angry. Super angry. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, hey, look, I can't speak to it cause I've never been sure. It's just like, if I was, I would just ignore it. You just got to ignore it because and I'll also go after the girls that, you know, give you the the right attention. It's like, you know, you can't just yeah, if you're much shorter and this girl is like six foot in heels,

like maybe, you know, she's not the one. Maybe if you don't want to feel that difference, if you don't want to feel that, you know, she's towering over you when you're going places. you don't want to feel that difference, if you don't want to feel that, you know, she's towering over you when you're going places, just don't go after that girl. As a man, it's up to you to decide at the end of the day too. And if a girl is really, which I agree with you, very, very, it's a minority that actually care, right?

And if she does care, then she's- She's a weirdo. She's a weirdo. There's so many other options. So many other options. What about nice guys? You guys think they finished last? Yes.

Not nice. Like I think what it is about nice guys finish last is that they, it's not that they're nice. They actually aren't nice. They just are doing things that they think are nice and then expecting a lot out of it. And it's transparent to a woman. So he gets mad when she's not giving him the attention

because he bought her flowers and he did this and that. If you were actually nice, then you wouldn't want anything in return. Yep. True. So I've seen like different aspects of this, right? Cause you, you look at traditional content and it's like, oh, you have to be kind of an asshole.

Like you can't be like too much into the girl or they're not going to like you. But you can actually be nice if you have that freedom from the outcome that we talk about, because it's like, if you go up to a girl and you're like being extra nice, but you're doing it in this like seeking rapport, like needy type of way of just like, oh, like I'm being nice.

So be nice back to me. You know, that's not attractive. That's coming from insecurity. But if you're going up to it and it's like, hey, I'm just a nice guy and I'm just like talking to you in a nice way, that's an actual nice guy. So I agree with that. But the guys that are fake nice, they always finish nice.

And then they compounds. Oh yeah, they freak out. They freak out. I think that's the issue with even the word nice. I think just be a good person. But nice, that's really just about being polite. You're putting on an act at that point. And it's really awkward to a girl

when she feels like a guy is being nice to her because he wants something. Like you wanna literally run away. Right, you're like on edge, right? You're like, what the hell is this guy working on? Yeah. I'd love to see you two debate fresh and fit. Oh, I would love to.

I'll set that up if you're not. I want her to debate Andrew Tate, honestly. I mean, I might be able to set that up. Yeah, I'll debate him. If he's not banned from Florida, I don't know what the deal with that is. I don't know what Andrew Tate. Honestly. I mean, I might be able to set that up. Yeah, I'll debate it. If he's not banned from Florida, I don't know what the deal with that is. I don't know what's going on. Yeah.

Yeah, if he's not in prison, I'll debate him. Also, Fresh and Fit. So we know some shit about these guys. They're gonna be canceled so... They've already been canceled like 20 times. But I'm saying like, one, like, you know, have you ever been to their podcast? Not their studio, no. Their studio is the bedroom, by the way. Oh, Oh, really like there's a wall and it's their bed

Oh, you like bring these girls try to fuck them. No. Yeah, dude Why so we know girls in Miami that they've hit up and you know It's not sorry to say it's not the cream of the crop that they hook up with even though they act like they're you know The king the kingpins of the dating scene or whatever They'll go for anyone and they're weird about it, too. I've seen the text messages. Yeah, these guys are creepos I mean they started off learning going to those same seminars Andrew Tate was going to to learn how to pick up women That's that was how they got their start Or not. I don't know about got their start, but they've done that in the past

That's why they have those guys those those pickup guys on their shows sometimes, because it's through those connections. But yeah, these guys, like, the worst people to listen to, the worst people to listen to. All the pickup guys, all the guys in that Red Bull pickup community, they have the least game I've ever experienced in my life.

Ever, ever. They're like robots. And you literally, and we've seen them, cause we go out a lot. Like we actually know everyone in Miami, you know, we get taken care of and all these places and so, so we see these guys try and we've been in situations. Where they can't even get into the club.

Are you serious? Bro, can't get into the club. Why? They'll walk up, we've had, you know, who Michael Sartain is. Yeah, yeah, he's in Vegas. Okay. He lives here. So I don't know what his connection is in Vegas.

Remember what they were saying about him, about Vegas? What? Apparently no one in Vegas Nightlife actually knows this guy. Oh really? Everything that he had filmed and everything was just a complete fake setup. Bro.

But yeah, he couldn't get it. We got invited to this dinner because of Michael Sartain's friend. And he was like, oh, I'm doing this photo shoot or whatever, like this model shooter. Oh my God. And so he was like, oh, you got to meet my friend, Michael Sartain. So we pull up, he's a weirdo. First of all, it was really hard to talk to him.

Like we were like in the kitchen, like he was like, he talks as if he's like, I don't know, it's not even ego. It's just like, he was like, he talks as if he's like, I don't know, there's this ego version. It's not even ego. It's just like, he's just weird. And so we go to dinner and it's all these like OnlyFans girls that look like balloon animals. And then it was like, oh, let's go to the club. Oh, and he has his students there, right?

Oh yeah, yeah. And his students are also like extremely weird. And I feel bad for them because they- They're usually really nice guys. Like really nice guys that are just getting completely completely disconnected and they're like sitting next to me right so like I'm fucking around with the girls like you know just like having conversations yeah and this guy turns around to me he's like hey chase you know I noticed

that you don't really talk that much but when you talk like people listen to you like how do I do that? This is the kind of guys that, you know, he's like trying to teach, which I feel bad. Cause it's like, what the hell are you taking this guy and putting him in this situation for? This is not- It's not how he's gonna learn.

Yeah, he's not ready for that. These girls are not those girls. Like they're sitting here talking about getting DP'd. I'm not even joking. At the table and you're having this guy who barely knows how to like function in this in this environment Then we go to the club because me and her were just going to mr. Jones and so Michael Sartain is like, oh, that's And so the girls

Go, I know the doorman whatever. Yeah, and Michael Sartain. He just won't let him in What and he was just like he's like packed that What was even like packed that night? It wasn't even packed. It wasn't even packed, nothing. Oh my God. He couldn't talk his way. He was just not, he's just so weird. Cause he brought too many guys probably, right? He brought no guys.

It was just- Oh, it was just him? It was just him and the girls that he was with. And he let the girls in and us in and didn't let Michael speak to them. No way. I was like, nah, you gotta pay bottles or whatever. And it's like, this is the-

This one's him. This is the king of nightlife. This is who you're paying thousands of dollars for advice from. He has these girls, like we watched, like on his website, he has testimonials of the students of his, which we know a lot of these students.

Not a lot. Enough. I know enough of them and they're very nice guys, but they're taking videos with these girls that have been paid to be there. To be nice to them. Wow. Literally, girls being like, hey, you're doing so good.

You're doing so much better. It's literally like OnlyFans girls that he's paying to compliment these guys to make them think that they're better. They do the same video. It's like they do the same videos for these guys with the same girls to like see them on a yacht and partying. It's so fucking cringy, dude. Because these dudes don't really know how to even act in those situations.

Because I don't think anyone would. It's such a weird situation. Like, what are these girls like fake having fun around me for? Like, what am I supposed to do? Yeah. You know, he's, and he's just like, you know, up charging, overcharging people for stuff like this. It's insane. And I think that's where they get the,

the whole rhetoric of women only want guys for their money. Cause the, those types of guys that say that are only around women who would ever be around them if they're getting paid. So then they just have this rhetoric of, these are the only type of girls because they can't talk to a regular girl. They wouldn't know how.

People in, you know, as a man approaching like dating, I don't know what it was like with you and your girl or whatever, it's like you just have to put yourself out there and you can't have like an archetype in your mind. You can't say like, this is the Instagram model that I want, right? As a normal person, as a normal man, that's not how you should go about life

because there's more to things like, yeah. There's more than looks. Yeah, there's more to looks. She's attractive, like, okay, yeah. And these programs, we've heard that they make you do vision boards. Well, they'll have like, they'll have them put up the specific Instagram model in their vision boards, pictures, pictures of them.

That's why to like give them that. So now you're taking a guy that is like trying to like be more social and be more whatever and saying like, Oh, that's the girl you want. You see how she's on a yacht. You see how she's a soul house. She is, you know, that's who you need to be. And that's the kind of guy that she's going to get with. Well, that's the other thing.

They make them buy memberships to all of these places that are super expensive and just like Casa Cipriani, all that stuff. Don't teach them how to even talk to them. To interact. Wow. And not realizing. That's the most important part too. And not realizing that those girls that are in the yachts and whatever, it's like,

oh, we're good, we're good. And not realizing that those girls that are in the yachts and whatever it's like Work it was like the guys that are that they're actually hooking up with is the you know the the guy she needs me scum bags the grocery store the junior or somebody else that has a Audacity and the confidence is just pull up and be like hey, what's up? Like I don't really have much but this is me. Yeah, you know what I mean? And they're like, Hey, what's up? Like, I don't really have much, but this is me. Yeah. You know what I mean? And they're like, Oh yeah, this is the guy. And they'll be hooked on that guy for all their lives and just like wanting their attention and we see it all the time.

The most attractive girls, like these dudes that they just like can't get over that have nothing going for them. I feel like Dan Bozerian kind of started this movement of being like, you need to have money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dan. Yeah. Dan Bozer is a smart guy.

I read his book. How was it? It was, it was really good. It was, it was eyeopening to see how actually methodical he was with the things that he did, right? It's almost like he ran an experiment successfully. Yeah. And so I got to give him credit for that, but he did definitely start it.

And he definitely started this trend of guys posting a bunch of girls on their Instagram and doing photo shoots to be like, look at all the girls. That's not how it works, bro. What do you think of the approach of like, having the woman come to you rather than pursuing woman? Absolutely not. You don't like that approach?

Having the woman come. I literally like, you know, people would say, what's your type? Basically having the balls to walk up to me. Like if you have the balls to walk up to a woman, you're already doing better than 90% of guys. And like, yes, she should want you maybe based on your social proof or your looks or your vibe, but you need to be able to walk up to a woman.

Cold approach. That's all these guys need to be doing is just having the, like practicing having the balls to walk up to a woman and say, hey, that's it. And have a normal unintended conversation. Like, I mean, with no intentions, right? Cause the chasing thing that you're talking about in the, like you do want the girl to chase you, right? But you have to, that doesn't mean you just stand

Yeah, and be like, oh look, you know, you see come to me. It's not like that No, you know Daniels Aryan even damn those are in his book. He goes up to the girl Oh, he does he goes up to the girl and has a normal conversation. That's his thing He goes up and he has a normal conversation with no intention. He barely shows interest, right? He never compliments them. He's just like, oh, hey, like, what's up? You know, I'm Dan. Nice to meet you. Blah, blah, blah.

And then that's when the chasing happens because a girl is not used to. Hello. And nothing else. Right. She's used to hello. And then, oh my God, you're so beautiful. I want to be with you. She's used to that. And when oh my god, you're so beautiful. I want to be with you. She's used to that.

And when she doesn't receive it, that's attractive. Oh, that's what the chasing is. But if people are just like, we see people so many times just standing in the club, you know, just like chill and thinking like, you know, they look good. So girls think coming, getting a table, spending 20, good. You look girls are not coming up like that. And the girls that do come up based on your looks are not the girls that you want.

Yeah. Because the hot girls don't come up. There's no way. Yeah, 100%. What's next for you guys? Anything planned for this year? Are you gonna launch a dating course or something? Actually, so like every month

we always like go on like a big trip. We get like a villa, whatever, we bring our friends. And I was like, why don't we start bringing some of my followers? And so actually like tomorrow we're going to Cabo and we're bringing a group of girls and we're basically gonna make a reality show of it. Oh, sick.

Yeah. Full on, we got videographers and we're, you know, just having like... So it's all girls, no guys? It's all girls and me. Let's go! My god. I'm Jimbo's. I love it.

No, but we're gonna do like, you know, like a revenge tour, like she said. Yeah, basically girls that have been like, the girls that are my followers are girls that have been pissed off at their exes, so. So you'll get content of them talking, you know, shit about their exes, but at the same time, it's like a travel vlog, so you're having fun,

you know, going out, partying. Smart, it's like the Bop house. You seen that house? No. I haven't looked into it, but what I assumed it was, it was like, is it like- Oh, F girls. Oh, F?

Yeah, they're all making over a million a month each one. You haven't seen this? Doing what? Only Vans. But what's the Bop? But they all live in a house? They all live in one house and they just collaborate. No way.

Yeah, I think it's in Miami. So I'm surprised you guys haven't heard of it. But yeah, they're- I've heard of it, but yeah, I just- I just didn't know what it was. I didn't look into it. No, they're killing it. It's crazy to me that people still pay for OF.

Like I thought that would die out by now. Bro, paying for PR is insane. Insane to me. I thought during COVID it would just die out after that. You know? Yeah. I guess people want that connection. You know, it's just like them hitting up a girl on Instagram, like in the comment sections, like, ah, like you just want

like to think that she saw you. It's so cringe. As men, we have to be better than that. I mean, 30% of men under 25 are virgins right now. That's crazy. Isn't that nuts? But, and the Andrew Tate rhetoric is making this worse. Andrew Tate is creating virgins.

Yeah, cause in schools, they're literally talking about body counts and like, oh yeah, she's a slut, blah, blah, blah. Cause that's the thing. And now girls don't want to have sex with anyone because guys are going to shit off at them. Yeah, they're being shamed. Yeah, and we've heard it from like Gen Z girls

where it's like, oh, I'm not adding to my body count. We've literally heard girls say this. Girls our age never, I don't know how old you are. I'm 30. 28. I'm 34. 34. When I was a teenager or like in my early twenties, no girl cared about like, yeah, you'd keep track,

but like no guy was coming up to you, asking you how many guys have been with and then getting pissed off about it. Because you're jealous. You're so insecure as a man that you can't handle that she's been with another guy because you think that she's comparing to you and you are jealous that you haven't done it and they're jealous because they want to have sex with that many guys. With that many guys. Yeah. Wait what? Wait girls get jealous? No, the guys are jealous because they want to have sex with us. They want the male body.

She's going back to that. Yeah. Yeah. For girls, it's like the higher, the worse almost, right? Yeah, but it's so stupid. And for guys, it's the opposite. The higher, like the more praise you get. The more praise you get.

And yeah, it's, you know, I think the double standard exists for a reason of just like, you know, women have more options, you know, but I, it's just like, as a, as a confident man, as a competent man, you just should not care. Like I really don't. So you wouldn't care for body count was over a hundred. Over a hundred is a lot. Over a hundred is crazy. Because that, that signifies like a, maybe a problem, right? But if it's like, you know, if it's like a normal,

like people will look at like a 10 body count and be like, oh yeah, she's a slut. Like bro, if you had the opportunity, you'd be at thousands right now. Do you even realize how many guys that a girl has rejected to just be at 10? That's a good point. If she wanted to, she could be at a thousand.

A year. Easily. Easily, easily. And she wanted to she could be at a thousand a year easy easily Yeah, easily easily and you have to look at it that way, too It's just like every time a guy opens a door for a girl like Chris Rock joke It's like you want to fuck that's happening. That's what's happening to her all the time all day. She's mildly attractive She's getting offered sex all day by every type of range of guys. And she's saying, no, no, no, no, no, every step of that way. And then you find out that she slept with three guys before you and you're like, Oh, I can't believe this. Yeah, it's unrealistic. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, the red pill kind of started that body count movement. I feel like

for sure. And it's, they know what they're doing. They're just trying to get these guys, the virgins that you're talking about in their feelings about like, oh, it, it, everyone's getting it, but me that right. Or it's either everyone's getting it, but me or only X percent of the guys at the top sleep with all the women, you know, they say all the time too. But if you actually go out in your life, you get it, if you live in like a small town or some show like that and you go out and you know they say it all the time too. But if you actually go out in your life, if you live in like a small town or some show like that,

and you go out and you go to the city and you actually like live amongst people and you have more of a variety, like you'll see that like there is someone for everyone. It's just, you just have to put yourself out there authentically. That's all it is. What do you guys think about dating apps

I hear car stories about? I think dating apps have ruined nightlife for one. Damn. Since COVID, like people do not leave the house anymore and they don't want to meet each other. But then it's awful because yeah, I understand, like men are not photogenic. So then a woman is going on there and just looking at it

and being like, ugh, I don't know about that. And then, so they're only looking for guys that are look attractive. That's gonna be difficult. Like it's probably really, really messing with guys' heads, but also it's making them kind of losers because now they're never going to go up to a girl. Like you don't know how to be a man and actually go up to somebody. I'm so glad I never, not once have I ever been on a online date.

Thank God. It's like you've date without it now, I think. It's tough. It's really, really tough. Because like you said, guys aren't photogenic and girls are now swiping way above their league. You know what I mean? Like the dating apps for that percentage, it makes sense. Like yeah, the top like 1% of the attractive guys

are getting all the likes. Right, like you'll get tons and tons of girls hitting you up and most normal looking guys won't because you can't communicate a personality through a picture usually. And if you can, it's weird. It's like you either put, you're either photogenic and you post good photos of yourself

and then that's cringe, or you post really bad pictures of yourself And then no one's gonna like you. Yeah, you're kind of screwed either way. Yeah, it's a lose-lose situation Yeah, I think the world is slowly gonna shift more to in person. I really do. I hope so I think it's gonna come, you know start coming back especially with all the things that's going on Because yeah, the dating dating app stuff is tough. Yeah. How are the clubs in Miami?

I know in LA they're hurting right now. Horrible. Oh, they're horrible. Horrible. Really in Miami? Over. Bro, we're on Halloween, Mr. Jones. Empty.

Empty. What? Miami used to be the spot. Saturday, bro. I didn't know Miami was hurting because Vegas and LA are really hurting, I know. LA is, already it wasn't great, but LA is so bad. New York is so bad.

Everywhere, everywhere but McAnose is bad. And we just wait all year so it could be warm enough so we could spend like a month there. Yeah, the European destinations are still keeping it up. But they're going onto this weird thing of group trips where it's like one guy is sponsoring these girls and everyone is just like in a dinner party setting because the guys want to contain the girls that they brought.

And that's easy for them to do at a dinner table. Right. Interesting. And that's another pro tip for guys. It's like, you can't be afraid of approaching girls in those situations, right? Because that's something that, you know, I used to go to clubs solo and that's something I taught her too.

Yeah. Where it's just like, you think that because there's a situation where there's guys around and there's a bunch of girls around that you can't walk up and start talking to those girls. But I think people need to get over that fear. And if anything, if you want to be really good with girls, you should are really good at like putting yourself out there and being better in that situation pro tip is to Realize that you are thinking in like this tribal like crocodile brain mindset where you think that if you're if you approach a group

That has guys in it that these guys it's like approaching a tribe I'm gonna fuck you up, but the more you do it you that these guys, it's like approaching a tribe, the tribe is gonna fuck you up. But the more you do it, you realize, these guys ain't doing shit. These tribes aren't doing anything. And it'll put you in a different head space of just like, oh, I could just talk to everybody. And I think that's a good lesson.

Yeah, that's a good tip. A lot of guys won't approach if they see guys with their chicks. Bro, it doesn't matter. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Where can people find you guys? That was really fun. Well, it was mostly on Instagram. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Doesn't matter. Work people find you guys. That was really fun. Mostly our Instagram. Yeah, Instagram, Casio West,

TikTok, Casio West, YouTube, Casio West. Like his content is just basically under my. Yeah. The vlogs are going to be doing under Casio West too. So that was going to be fun. Yeah. We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on. Come on one of the trips. I'm down. Yeah, let's do it. Thanks for coming on guys. Yeah. I'm down. Yeah, let's do it. Thanks for coming on guys. Yeah, check them out. Have a good one.