Digital Social Hour - The Truth About Making it as a Pro Gamer in 2024 | 5up DSH #938
Episode Date: December 1, 2024The Truth About Making it as a Pro Gamer in 2024 🎮 5up spills the tea on his journey to Twitch stardom! 🌟 From Among Us champion to streaming sensation, discover the insider secrets of the gamin...g world. 🕵️♂️ Join Sean Kelly as he dives deep with 5up, uncovering the realities of pro gaming, the rise of Among Us, and the future of streaming. 🚀 Learn about 5up's unexpected path to success, his thoughts on AI in gaming, and why he believes becoming a pro gamer isn't feasible for most. Packed with valuable insights on deception games, Twitch growth, and the evolving landscape of online entertainment. 🎭 Don't miss out on 5up's candid takes on fame, family support, and the challenges of staying relevant in the fast-paced world of gaming. Watch now and subscribe for more eye-opening conversations on the Digital Social Hour! 📺 Hit that like button and join the discussion in the comments. Are you dreaming of becoming a pro gamer? Let us know your thoughts! 💬 #streamlabs #disguisedtoast #streamscheme #howtogrowontwitch #howtogettwitchfollowersfast #streamingsuccesstips #howtogrowontwitch #amongus #howtogrowyourtwitchchannel #howtogetmoreviewersontwitchstream CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Introduction 00:20 - Life Changing Events 04:44 - Gaming Competitions 08:13 - Among Us Competitions 10:48 - First Person Shooters Experience 12:14 - Poker Gameplay 12:28 - Financial Success Journey 13:05 - Business Lessons from Family 14:15 - Artistic Family Background 16:51 - Daily Routine Insights 18:54 - Gaming as a Career 20:32 - Game Development Aspirations 25:50 - IQ Test Challenge 27:34 - Overcoming Bad Memories 27:44 - Brother's Influence 28:10 - Future Plans for 5up 28:10 - Predictions for Today's Game APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: jenna@digitalsocialhour.com GUEST: 5up https://www.instagram.com/5ups__/ https://www.twitch.tv/5up https://x.com/5uppps www.youtube.com/@5up LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Not as much as our YouTube, but there was a big stigma before.
Right.
Oh, I want to be a gamer.
I want to be a YouTuber.
You think it's like a feasible path for most people though?
Absolutely not.
That's what I think too.
I'm sure you get this also like parents like,
oh, my kid wants to do this.
Like, do you have any advice for them?
They're starting this now and you're like,
well, good luck.
I guess.
Um. to do this, like do you have any advice for them that are starting this now and you're like, well good luck I guess. But um. Alright guys, we got five up here today.
Is this your first podcast?
I've done a few podcasts before,
but it's been a moment since I've done one.
Cause you've done a face reveal recently, right?
Uh, no, like two years ago.
Two years ago.
I guess that's kinda recent, but yeah.
Yeah, in comparison to how long
you've been playing I guess, right?
Oh yeah.
Have you been PC gaming for how long now?
Oh, I've been playing games at least in the scene for
like seven years now I'd say wow yeah two years pretty recent yeah so what was
the first big game that got you into things the game that got me into stuff
probably League of Legends okay like they think I kind of kick-started me if
you know what that game is I used to play I was terrible okay you were probably
really good I said that game oh you weren't good no I was challenging Oh
challenger is that the highest rank yeah it's the highest rank you can be Wow
So you're playing professionally not professionally
But it kind of kickstarted me into like getting a bunch of connections and like meeting a bunch of people within the scene itself
Got it. And then what game after that did you go to?
What started me online was like among us? I guess right? How's the really big kickstart into everything, right?
I used to watch all those videos with Toast and all those guys.
Were you one of those players?
Oh yeah, I played with Toast all the time.
Oh nice, and you still play Among Us, right?
Yeah, I still do.
That's impressive.
I love deception games in general.
People can get tired of them.
Me personally, I think I could see myself playing it
for still like even years to go.
Wow.
Yeah, I love it.
Because I feel like it kind of died off a little bit.
It definitely had its slumps. It's actually kind of coming back right now though. Wow. Yeah, I love it. Cause I feel like it kind of died off a little bit. Definitely had its like slumps.
It's actually kind of coming back right now though.
Really?
Yeah, surprisingly.
What do you think is bringing it back?
Honestly, Toast.
Oh, he's playing again?
Yeah, he started playing again and everyone's like,
well, it's time to go back.
Oh God.
Yeah.
Dude, he was so good at that game.
He's pretty good.
I'm better though.
You're better than Toast?
I'm better than Toast.
I mean, he'll say it.
He'll say that?
Ah, not publicly.
Ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha.
What's your ranking list of all time Among Us players?
Among Us players overall?
Yeah.
I think it kind of depends on like,
so like Among Us has different roles and whatnot,
like you could be crewmate, imposter,
you could be like all around player.
So I think all around I'm the best.
Whoa.
I think crewmate wise, a person named Hathu is the best. Oh, the girl, right? Yeah. Is your girl, yeah, I'm the best. Whoa. I think crewmate wise,
a person named Hoth who is the best.
Oh, the girl, right?
Yeah.
Asian girl, yeah, I've seen her.
And then Toast is also like pretty,
like between us both also I'd say.
Got it.
So you're just really good at imposter.
Yeah, specifically imposter I'm really good at.
Crewmate I'm not bad at though either.
Got it.
When you get imposter, what is your win rate?
I think it depends on the lobby.
If it's like the lobby of like, I guess,
medium skilled people, I'll usually win every time.
Wow.
Like higher skilled people, it depends on like,
cause it's a two person game.
It's very hard to win like as a solo person.
Wow.
But even if I have like a decent partner,
we'll usually win that round.
Damn. Yes.
So you're that good.
I'm pretty decent at it.
Dude, I need to see some game play.
So are you just, have you always been good at like
deceiving, lying, stuff like that? Okay, well, you put it. Dude, I need to see some gameplay. So are you, have you always been good at like deceiving,
lying, stuff like that?
Okay, well, you put it like that, it looks bad.
I've played a lot of deception games
throughout my entire life, whether it be like,
there's a lot of different starts with,
so like you can have a game called Trouble in Terror Town,
which was a game really popular back in like 2011,
which is all about essentially Among Us, but with guns. And then I got good at Mafia, which is like Werewolf, when I ultimate werewolf.
There's other social deception games like that that I've just played in like, I guess higher skill
groups for years and then like Among Us comes out so it kind of fits all that.
Oh, so you were playing this style before Among Us.
Oh, I have more than like 15 years of experience in deception games.
Oh damn, okay. So when you put it like that, no wonder you're one of the best.
Oh yeah, it's just like my skill set naturally built up for this.
Right, because I feel like Among Us was a lot of people's first deception game they
tried out, right?
Yeah, I'd say it's like their introduction to the genre itself.
Right, how has the game been evolving recently?
I haven't watched it in a couple years.
It's evolved where there's a lot of mods to the game now, so like people kind of got bored
of the base game of Among Us, and they introduced introduced like I don't know like hundreds of different roles
It's all like new maps and new roles custom maps new roles that you can do to kind of like spice it up and keep
It like so no one's just feeling bored like oh, I got crewmate again. Guess I'll just do whatever and try
I will say the test did feel repetitive at a certain point. Yeah, I mean doing it for four years
What's your favorite mode right now? Favorite mode?
I think it's more, not so much modes,
more so like lobbies and groups of people.
Cause like the dynamic of the game changes
depending on like the group you play with.
Right. Yeah.
So do you like a skill-based group or more just casual?
I like a group that knows how to entertain themselves
while still being high skilled.
Got it. That makes sense.
Yeah. So like toast group, right?
Yeah, essentially.
Yeah. Cause they were all really good, but they would just mess around a little bit. That was how to keep it while still being high skilled. Got it. Yeah, so like toast group, right? Yeah, essentially. Yeah, because they were all really good,
but they would just mess around a little bit.
That was how to keep it fun and lighthearted,
but also like they're still there to win.
Right, right.
So you were also a brown belt in martial arts?
Oh wow, you know that.
I did some research.
Wow, you did some research.
I was a, the one step below black belt.
Brown, right?
I think.
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I think it was red-black.
Red-black, okay.
Yeah, and there's like like there's different black.
I think it was karate or it was one of the two.
Yeah, but they have different systems for it.
Yeah. So I was the stuff right below it.
And what made you want to stop before you got to black?
I didn't like fighting people.
Yeah.
To be that was like kind of the correct.
So like the higher level you got,
the more is like sparring and going to tournaments and whatnot.
And that just didn't really interest me.
I didn't really find enjoyment from it.
I more like the forms and the, I guess,
methodology behind everything.
So after I evolved into that, I just lost interest.
Interesting.
Yeah, that fact interests me when I saw that,
because I know you're a gamer and gamers aren't fighters.
No.
So the fact that you got that far
is pretty impressive though, dude.
Thank you.
Good job.
I only made it to blue, I think.
Oh, what made you stop?
I didn't like the training, dude.
Oh, yeah? It was boring.
Like, you know.
That's fair, that's fair.
As a kid, you're just like wanting to have fun
and I feel like karate's like,
you don't look forward to that.
Mm, it was exciting for me because you have the,
I guess you can see your improvement, I guess,
like visual.
Fair.
I don't know, like breaking through the wooden board, right?
That's like not even in the scale of like how hard that is to break through.
It goes from like white to like, I don't know, I think black itself.
And then that would be like the wooden board would be like a third out of 10.
Right.
So that makes sense.
Good to see all the progress.
How tough was it convincing your parents you wanted to do this profession?
Like streaming in like this?
Yeah.
Honestly, not hard at all.
I kind of lived my life where
they couldn't really control me.
I was rebellious in the sense of
yeah, I don't have interest in something. I'm not going to do that.
I have interest in this. I'm going to do this no matter what.
And they just like, okay, whatever.
We're confident in him. He's confident himself.
And so they kind of just took a chance on it.
Wow. Because usually you hear that from parents.
They kind of rebel against the video games. Oh, yeah, no
I'm I was very very very I had a lot of leeway and whatever I did which is on it
Were you really skilled in other aspects in life too? Um, I'm
hmm
Like academics like well, so I was skilled at what I wanted to be skilled at
Like I said when it comes to realize, if there's something that interests me,
I'll do it, if there's something you're not.
So like in school, there's a lot of things
I just didn't care about, so I didn't try in it.
But the subjects that I did excel in,
it was the ones I was interested in.
So it kind of goes for like every little thing
is just pick up a new hobby or nuance thing
and then I'll become really proficient
at that specific thing itself.
So that makes sense where your parents
just kind of let you do it then.
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, look how it paid off. You got almost a million on Twitch now, right? Yeah, really really close
I think like 70k off dude. That's crazy. That's one of the highest I've heard on Twitch. Oh, yeah
No, it's uh, it's a pretty you
Daunting number to be on yeah, I don't think many have hit that on Twitch
I wonder what the data is on that actually no compared to like YouTube twitch is like hitting a millions a big number
Yeah, well on YouTube. I know this cuz I'm at a million on YouTube
I'm ranked I think like a thousand,
somewhere around there in the whole world.
Oh, is it?
Or it might be US, I don't know, but.
I was gonna say, that seems like for now,
maybe in like 20, in the tens or something,
that makes sense.
Yeah.
I feel like there's a lot of people that know.
It might be US, yeah, don't quote me on that, but.
That makes sense.
But for Instagram, I'm at 11 million
and I'm ranked like 2000. Yeah. But Twitch, if you have a million, you're quote me on that. But for Instagram, I'm at 11 million and I'm ranked like 2000.
Yeah, but Twitch, if you have a million, you're probably like top 100.
Yeah, I would imagine top 500 as like the max, I think.
Yeah, and for Among Us, you're probably the number one, right?
Um, I think for competitive Among Us stuff, I am.
Got it.
Yeah, so there's like, because Among Us has different genres itself within it.
Like you could do the, at the end of the day, it's also like for kids too.
So there's a lot of kids channel that just like thrive off
of Among Us itself also right are there actual competitions for money with Among
Us um there was every now and there have been and that was like hosted by either
like twitch or FaZe or whatnot there hasn't been one in a long time okay but
they were trying to figure out a way to make it kind of competitive and so there
was cash prizes every now and then so it's kind of like a fortnight fortnight
kind of fell off too with the money.
Yeah, but Fortnite also had major organizations backing everything and trying to host tournaments
itself and the creators of Fortnite itself also.
Where Among Us is just this tiny little studio of three people.
Have you met the creators of Among Us?
I haven't met them in person but I do talk to them every now and then.
Oh yeah?
Nice.
So they're still working on the game?
They're right now working as a
Production company I guess for other games because they're like they had their big blow up and they're excited about that
So now they wanted to give that feeling to other people, right?
So they must have made a ton off among us. Oh, I mean think about like how many okay?
So you play a mobile game or whatnot you see an ad
Yeah
Among us was the number one game for like three years or something like hold like there was more than hundreds of millions of people
Playing that dude. Yeah, so just the ad plus the merch one game for like three years or something like that. Like there was more than hundreds of millions of people playing that. Dude.
Yeah.
So just the ads plus the merch.
Yeah, ads, merch, and then like on Steam itself,
it actually costs money instead of being free.
Oh, I didn't know that.
So yeah, everyone that plays off of online,
that's like what?
I don't know how much people, but it's a lot of people.
And when you have kids as your audience,
the parents are buying the merch and toys and all this stuff.
They're pretty set.
They're pretty killing it.
Because I know a lot of kids played that game, right?
Oh yeah. I mean, it was like the most popular game I think for a solid year, globally.
I mean, Jimmy Fallon did a segment on it for his show.
Do you ever go and just random lobby and troll people?
Um, no.
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Too easy.
I mean, you either have to go undercover,
but like people just recognize my voice,
even if I was to try and do that.
Ah. Yeah.
So you need a voice changer.
Yeah, I need a voice changer,
and then I need a different play style,
but then I feel like, what am I really doing there?
Right, yeah, that would take away from your brand, right?
Exactly, exactly.
Do you have your eye on any other games
or you're pretty set with this one for now?
I'm, I mean, I was looking out for new games,
just like the deception game genre itself
is one of the hardest genres to make games for itself.
I don't think there'll ever be a boom
like Among Us ever again.
So I kind of look more for different competitive games.
Like there's a new one just came out called Deadlock, which
was by Valve.
It's a MOBA, so like League, I guess,
but the newest one in that genre.
Wow, Valve launched a new game?
Yeah, like soft launch.
It just became public, I guess I can say.
I used to love Valve, dude.
Oh, yeah, you should check this game out then.
I feel like they haven't launched
a really good game in a while.
This game's pretty good.
It's the biggest thing since like apex or
Valorant. Oh wow. Yeah, did you ever get into first-person shooter games? Um casually I did it was never something
I was like actually just insane at and it's kind of hard to play the game when you're like you have to dedicate hours upon hours
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to build that hand-eye coordination takes time. You play chess. I dabbled in chess once upon a time
Okay. Yeah, it was on a chess team in school
So that's why I was like, okay, you know what? I'll compete again for a little bit. Why not?
I did a thing with Nima who's also compete. Yeah. Yeah, she's nice. Yeah, so we became good friends
She helped coach me in chess a little bit every now and then and I did a competition
I got think fourth place nice a bunch of twitch streamers overall. Okay, so like still compared to like actual chess players. Yeah. What's your elo? Do you know your rank? I think my
peak was 1400. Oh, we're similar. Right now nowhere like I'm like a 1k player max right now.
Okay. Yeah. If you get back into it, hit me up. Okay. I'm a 1450. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm decent. But
Nemo is god damn. Oh, she's a WGM. Holy crap. What is she like a 2000 something? Something like that.
She's insane. Dude, that's nice. And she won the poke tournament last time. Yeah, she's a WGF. Holy crap, what is she like a 2000 something? Something like that, she's insane.
Dude, that's nice.
And she won the poke tournament last time.
Yeah, she was at my table initially.
Oh, you played last time?
Yeah, she won the first one.
Oh, the first one.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, she was at my table last time.
Oh, okay, how'd you do?
I got wrecked.
Dude, you should have seen my table.
I had her, Rampage, Mariano.
Oh, okay, so you lost, lost.
And Mariano and Rampage were right before me,
so they were just raising every hand,
so I had to play kinda tight.
I feel for you, that sounds painful.
Yeah, it was rough, dude.
You play poker a lot?
When I'm not busy.
It's a nice thing to just kind of,
not turn your brain off,
because it's very much an active thing.
It's like exercising a different muscle, I guess.
So whenever I have free time, I'll go and try and play.
Got it.
Did you ever realize the money would be insane like this
with streaming?
Yes and no.
I mean, I never streamed for the money itself.
I actually got peer pressured into streaming.
Really?
So you didn't even want to stream?
No, it was just something that kind of happened.
Wow.
How did that happen?
Yeah, I was just friends with a lot of,
I guess, YouTubers or streamers within the scene itself.
And then when Among Us came out,
they heavily peer-pushed me like,
yo, everyone's asking who is this guy, who is this guy?
And I was like, okay, sure.
And they were like, you need to stream this now.
I'm like, oh, okay, sorry, I guess.
So I turned it on and then it was kind of an instant blow up.
So I'm like, okay, I know how to run a business.
So might as well just get everything kind of kickstarted
and just instantly did that.
Got it, where did you learn how to run a business?
My mom runs her own graphic design business.
So just kind of self-taught from like specialists, I guess,
of just seeing the nuances from home.
Nice.
AI has changed that space, right?
Oh yeah, it's bad to be honest for that.
Yeah, all those artists got wrecked.
Yeah, it's a lot of people in the design space itself
are like, big corporations don't realize that like,
there's a nuance
to everything and people can tell if something's soulless
or not, but a lot of them's soulless,
we're cutting corners saving money,
and then a lot of their product just looks kind of mediocre
or bad, where they can just spend a little bit more
and then they have way ahead of everyone else
because it's just not AI.
Right, yeah, certain AI you could tell it's generated
and it's not human.
Well, even if it looks good, a lot of it just kind of looks the same, right? So
everyone now all of a sudden is just a duplicate of themselves with a different
color or a different font. That's a good point. Yeah, I don't think it's at the level
yet where it can fully replace talented artists. No, I don't think it will get to
that. Well, it'll get to that point but not in the sense of originality, I guess.
Right. Yeah, there'll always be style. Because it's a prompt.
It's prompted to do a certain thing.
Yeah, and it's based off of art pieces
that it's taken itself.
Right.
Were you very artistic growing up?
Yeah, full of art, like artist family.
Oh yeah, so all your family's into graphic design, art?
Yeah, whether it's like traditional,
watercolor or graphic design.
Wow.
Yeah, so art photography.
So they're feeling the full effects of AI.
Yes.
Dang. Yeah, it's gonna wipe So they're feeling the full effects of AI. Yes. Dang.
Yeah, it's gonna wipe out a lot of industries, I think.
Yeah, but I mean, I guess when industries get wiped out,
there's always like a resurgence in a different way,
just by nature of it.
All right.
The easiest example was like,
people always say like a carriage,
like horse drawn carriages.
I thought that was a huge thing back when it,
like there was no cars,
but now there's cars replaced,. I knew the street's dead.
Now it's like a nuanced thing.
So there's always going to be fields that kind of replace it
and things will come up.
Yeah. Yeah, that is true.
But even when I go to grocery stores now, it's a screen.
Oh yeah.
Like you don't check out with people.
I think those kind of jobs are going to be gone.
Yeah.
It'll be something that'll be regulated,
but I'm curious what happens with it.
Yeah.
So are you kind of pro AI, anti, or in the middle?
I'm not pro AI.
I think there is uses for it.
I think there's ways to get inspiration from it
without like going into the scummy side of it.
Yeah, so similar to Elon, that's his view.
Is that his view?
Yeah, he's suing OpenAI.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, because they, he was one of the founders,
and then he started it not to make profit.
But then something happened where
they wanted to start making money, and he didn't like that.
Oh, interesting.
I didn't know that.
That's a big supporter of it.
Yeah.
Oh, you're a big supporter?
No, I thought he was.
Oh, no.
No, he's not part of it anymore.
Interesting.
But now he has his own with Twitter.
I forget the name of his.
I think Gronk or something.
Gronk, yeah.
I haven't used it yet, but.
It's just another chat GVTS thing. Yeah, I got some trust issues with what kind's like Gronk or something. Gronk, yeah. I haven't used it yet, but. It's just another like chat GVTS thing.
Yeah, I got some trust issues
with what kind of data I'm giving certain companies.
Ah, you know, very fair, very smart.
You know what I mean?
I know, definitely.
The AI is so good now, they can replicate your voice,
replicate your face, and make videos.
Oh, that's the biggest scare.
I mean, there's the whole voice actor thing
of like people are just stealing their voice.
There's tons of games now
where voice actors can sign anything,
and they're just using AI
to replicate their voice in the game.
What?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
That was a huge thing recently.
That's why it's like a big strike also for voice actors too.
Damn.
Yeah, cause now AI can just use anyone's voice.
You see fake Joe Rogan ads all the time.
Oh, Mr. Beast ads Joe Rogan ads so much.
Oh my gosh, that's scary.
I wonder if there's a way to combat that
if you're a public figure. I don't think there's gonna be a way to combat that, if you're a public figure.
I don't think there's gonna be a way to combat that
other than trademark protection on your image,
but even then it's like, any 14 year old,
just with their own computer can just,
yep, here's a replication of now Mr. Beast doing
da-da-da-da-da.
Right, because you can't trademark your voice.
Yeah, so what are you gonna do to protect it?
Right, people are making Drake songs,
and he's getting pissed.
Yeah, there's nothing you can really do,
so it'll be regulation based on the country or whatnot. real. So what's typical day like for you right now?
You playing all day a typical day is
Yeah, kind of streaming a lot
Was doing a big project over like do you know anything about VTubers or whatnot VTubers VTubers? It's kind of like a virtual avatar
No, I had to explain this imagine Imagine instead of me being in person,
now there's I guess a art design image of me.
That's not a 3D model, but it's a 2D model,
but it moves like it's 3D.
Interesting.
And it's a big scene that was blowing up in the past two
years that I'm doubling in.
OK.
So what's the plan for that?
The plan for that now is my design is finished.
So I have that launched.
But now it's kind of like going to the different design
and I guess shows that I can run with that now.
Interesting, so you'll be everywhere at once.
Yeah, you can be anywhere, you can do collaborations
with a bunch of other people that are also in the scene
or even not in the scene itself.
Wow, that's cool.
Do you ever, like the public spotlight being in that scene,
does it ever get to you?
So I've always tried to stay as grounded as possible. I don't like to be too much in the public eye itself
So like every now and then I'll go on stuff like this or I'll do a poker show like this
But I try to keep it like how I was before I was even a streamer and whatnot. Hmm pretty low-key
Yeah laid back. Yeah, I like just meeting people and having fun rather than like all the celebrity lifestyle
Yeah, so that never attracted you the attention now use like hanging out with celebrities
No, I mean it's fun hanging out with fun people but that's for the sake of being like having fun rather than like oh
I'm in like this prestigious area. Yeah, that's a mature take man. I noticed a lot of gamers are pretty logical actually. Yeah
Stay home and play video games to be honest. Yeah, who yeah. Yeah. Who would have thought, though, that would turn into a career?
Right?
I got ridiculed going up.
It's still growing here also.
In Europe, for example, it's just a completely normalized thing here.
There's still not as much as there used to be,
but there was a big stigma before.
Yeah.
But even now, people are like, wait a second.
You can earn money doing this.
And now I ask any kid, oh, I want to be a gamer.
I want to be a YouTuber. Yeah. You think it's a Now I ask any kid, oh, I wanna be a gamer, I wanna be a YouTuber.
Yeah, you think it's like a feasible path
for most people though?
Absolutely not.
That's what I think too.
Yeah, it's, I'm sure you get this also,
like parents like, oh, my kid wants to do this.
Like, do you have any advice for them
that are starting this now?
And you're like, well, good luck.
Yeah, I think it's important to be honest
and just look at the statistics.
How many people play video games and how many of them actually make a livable income?
Yeah, it's not high. No, it's
Compared to like the thousands of thousands of people want to do it. It's not no not at all
I mean it probably took you oh you blew up pretty quick
I feel like but for most gamers probably took a while, right?
Yeah
I mean you can be one of the best in your field and you can still not have any
Popularity with that and be able to make money just because it is at the end of the day
It's also like luck and personality right because among us took off at the right time for you
Yeah, where you could just blow up
But like you said you were playing games for ten years before that and they probably didn't have the same eyeballs as among us
Oh nothing at all. Yeah among us was the I mean it realistically besides like Minecraft was the biggest game
Oh and fortnight was like the biggest game in the public eye for just like normal casual people. Absolutely. Yeah. I wonder if Fortnite or Among Us had more players actually.
I think at its all time peak, I think Among Us actually had more.
Whoa.
I'm pretty sure.
That's crazy.
Because of mobile.
That's true. Fortnite got removed from the App Store.
Yeah. The whole App Store is really funny to be honest.
I don't know what happened. It's still gone.
Yeah. I think they didn't want to pay Apple
the price for skins.
30%.
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah.
It got taken off because they just refused.
And then they made a joke, Apple skin in game.
Yeah, but now they're both losing.
Yeah.
So I don't know if that worked out.
I mean, Fortnite's still huge.
They're still huge.
I mean, but still, they're both losing out
on probably tens of millions.
Yeah, probably.
But I mean, at that point, what is tens of millions to them? Good point. Good point. It's all perspective. Would you ever launch your own game?
Yes, I would if I had the correct circumstance for it there was a I was actually making a game
Oh, it ended up getting boxed sadly. Oh too expensive. Uh
Yeah, there was some complication with
One person that was gonna to fund us that didn't
end up funding us.
But it's something I still want to do.
I enjoy the production side of things itself and kind of project directing our direction
of it.
And I think I have a good eye of what will get popular and what makes the game popular.
They do seem very expensive to make a good game.
It's yeah, I mean you have to have a lot of people, because you're going to either have to have millions of dollars
or you're going to have to underpay your staff,
or you have to strike a deal with them
to get a bunch of talented people to make a game itself
without any initial funding.
And for a first time game maker, that's impossible.
Yeah, I had all the devs.
It was the art side that ended up halting it.
Really?
You're an artist, though. Well, OK, I'm an artist.
But making a whole game with all the 3D assets and all the music.
If you think of a game, right, this is that random tree.
You have to make that random tree.
There's so much that goes into it.
Wow.
Yeah, that made me think of RuneScape.
I used to be a woodcutter.
Spend hours chopping trees.
Hours.
I never got to 99, though, man. Spend hours chopping trees. Hours. I never got to 99 though, man.
Did you?
You weren't dedicated then.
I got to maybe 90 on one of them,
but some people had maxed out accounts.
I'm like, how?
Oh yeah, that was my brother.
Your brother did that?
Yeah, he was a pretty well-known RuneScape player.
Oh yeah? Who was he?
I don't... honestly I don't remember.
Was it Zemmah or whatever?
Oh no, but I do know that guy.
He tried to play Among Us every now and then.
Oh really? Oh wow. I didn't know he was still Us every now and then. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah.
Oh, wow.
I didn't know he was still around in the gaming world.
Yeah, he still doubles in RuneScape,
and he's also a big league player.
Wow.
People still play RuneScape?
Oh, RuneScape is huge.
What?
Yeah, you didn't know?
No, I thought it died off, because they changed it
or whatever.
What happened was they made the newer RuneScape RuneScape.
Yeah, I didn't like the new one.
Everyone hated it.
It's like, OK, we'll just relaunch the old one.
And then it's like
Explosion isn't it funny how games do that. Fortnite does that with their original map every year. Yeah people like nostalgia It's a very powerful thing. That is crazy. No, I mean what is there to do once you're maxed out though? Um,
That's an excellent question. I don't really I mean go for challenges I guess go for like I guess collect gold
Yeah, I was never like a max max out the player. a few skills in 99. What was your skill of choice?
I was in once again to the deception stuff. I was a big scammer in RuneScape. Oh you were yeah
It was I mean I was like a 12 year old playing that game was like
Oh, this is captivating deceiving people to give them money Wow. Yeah, how did the scam work?
There's a bunch of different ways to do it
I guess whether it's just be convincing people
to follow you into a place where you can kill them
and get their stuff.
Or like, I was part of a scamming guild, which was a scamming
guild.
There's a few scamming guilds.
I was part of one of the larger ones.
Wow.
And we knew a lot of the glitches in the game, I guess,
to just, yeah, I mean, flat out making it,
forcing people to drop items that they don't know they're dropping.
And then like you remove them from that area
or like unpickable,
or like make them drop something in an area
where you can't pick it up no matter what.
You have to use a spell to pick it up.
Wow.
Yeah, there's just a ton of-
I would never know how to do that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's by word of mouth for sure.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that was back then
when you probably couldn't even look up
these scams on Google, right?
Oh no, I mean, some of them were public,
some of them weren't.
Yeah, that's cool.
Obviously the good ones weren't.
I remember getting PK'd, it ruined my whole week.
Oh man, the first time you get PK'd.
Yeah, imagine if you're on the other end.
RuneScape, good memories.
I feel like that was the first game for me.
Yeah, I think that was probably my first game also,
like actually online first game.
Yeah, it was fun.
I used to do the Clan Wars too.
Ooh, yeah, that's always fun too. Yeah, those were fun. I used to do the Clan Wars too. Oh, yeah, that's always fun too.
Yeah, those were fun.
Did you have the membership, the paid one?
Oh, yeah, I mean, you're dedicating that much time
to RuneScape.
Did you ever get into MapleStory?
I did not get into MapleStory.
No, I feel like it was always like either RuneScape or MapleStory.
It's never both for people.
True.
I got in that.
I was scamming in that one for sure.
Mm.
Yeah, with the trades, because all the scrolls look the same.
So you could just replace it with a shittier scroll.
Yeah, people are trying to convince me to play MapleStory back in the day because the
scamming was going on too.
There was a lot of scamming.
And hacking.
That's true also.
Yeah.
Was there hacking in RuneScape?
Um, I don't, there wasn't so much as hacking, it was more just like botting.
Botting, yeah.
That was a big one.
Yeah, everyone's just getting like, they don't want to chop wood for a year of their life,
so like, I bought to it. I could never figure it out how to set it up.
I mean, it's just auto clicker.
You had one, didn't you?
I had a person level other things for me, but like,
you can have full on programs like run pathing for you.
Pathing, wow.
Did you get into FLIF?
No. Really?
What is that?
Flyif, FLYFF.
I don't think I know what that is, no.
Oh, okay. It's like a maple store
I don't think what else team fortress. Oh, yeah huge team fortress for I mean any type of game that you have like trading in
Yeah, whether it's like items or like I guess and tf2s hats and weapons and whatnot usually I'm playing that type of thing
So you played for tonight too, then I did play a little bit of fortnight. I was actually you can't trade
You can't you can't trade in fortnight, but um, it was like an okay game wasn't really my style. Yeah Yeah, yeah, you can't trade team Fortnite, but it was like an okay game. It wasn't really my style.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't trade. Team Fortress though was so fun. Team Fortress, CSGO.
What was your class in Team Fortress?
Spy.
I shouldn't have even asked that.
Yeah, it's kinda obvious, but I like that, huh?
So you like those movies where people are undercover?
Oh, yeah, any type of like, you have to outsmart people I guess is a fun way to think about what I like.
Have you ever done an IQ test?
I don't think I've taken an official IQ test. I've taken one of those like ADHD facility kind of
testing all around things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was the results of that?
The results of that, I came back as an anomaly.
Really?
Yeah, it was inconclusive in some aspects.
I didn't even know that was possible.
Yeah, I didn't either. It's kind of bad to be honest.
No, what they ended up doing was there was a few tests that was based off of doing things in the fewest moves possible.
A lot of like if you've done one of those tests before is very similar to an IQ test.
You have like puzzles in front of you or like logic deduction things or memory based things.
And a lot of the tests they held a stopwatch in front of me and they're like, I looked, I'm like, oh, is this timed?
And they're like, no, don't worry about the time at all.
I'm like, but there's a stopwatch in front of me.
So I ended up doing everything extremely quickly,
but not as accurate as I could be,
but I still ended up doing it quick.
But they weren't even running the stopwatch?
They were running the stopwatch.
Oh, they were?
Yeah, it was based on, it was based on accuracy
and I didn't know that.
I thought it was gonna be based on time.
Got it. So that's where a lot of things kind of came back in conclusive, but I was also in accuracy and I didn't know that. I thought it was gonna be based on time. Got it.
So that's where a lot of things kind of came back
in conclusive, but I was also in the place I tested
was the first person to get 100% on a memory section.
Damn. Yeah.
Do you have photographic memory you think?
Not, I don't want to say photographic memory,
but like I'm, I have like memory based on relation
to things, I guess.
There must be a word for that.
Cause I know there's photographic, audiographic,
and then there's one for touch,
kinesiology or something.
Yeah, it's very hard to describe how my memory works.
It's very much, once I can associate something
to something, I won't forget it.
Wow. Yeah.
That is interesting.
So you just tie it to an object or a thing and-
I tie it to an object or a place or a feeling.
Wow. That's impressive.
Cause there's a lot of humans just forget everything.
I mean, I don't get to choose often when I get to do that.
It's just something I naturally will remember it.
So you've got some bad memories, too, then,
that are still with you.
Yeah.
All the bad memories are also how I'll just,
there's something important, and I'll just forget it,
because I just don't deem it as important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
How close are you with your brother?
They talk every now and then.
Not too close. OK. I'm fairly into I mean
I guess my entire family is fairly independent as is all introverted kind of yeah introverted or like just kind of staying in there
Only doing their own thing. That's how my dad's side is all PC gamers all introverted
Just lock them in a closet for a year and you wouldn't notice. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's interesting
Well, dude, it's been funny. fun getting to know your side of the world.
What do you got going on next,
and what are your predictions for tonight's game?
Kind of going into stuff.
I'm getting a lot more into cooking overall,
and then cooking and poker are my two endeavors,
kind of just interested in overall.
I guess for today, I think, I mean, Wolfgang, My Table.
Ooh, that's tough.
Yeah, pretty decent shot at winning.
I think any of the people that just like
actually play poker a lot, so like obviously Nimo also.
Yeah.
Big advantage, but there's like,
I mean by nature of poker and how,
especially how quick this tournament is.
It's anyone's game really, to be honest.
Yeah, we'll see what happens, man.
Thanks for coming on.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Yeah, thanks for watching as always guys.
See you next time.