Digital Social Hour - The Truth About Psychedelics: Healing Minds, Changing Lives | Zappy Zapolin DSH #1180

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Discover the transformative world of psychedelics in this eye-opening episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🌟 Joined by Zappy Zapolin, a psychedelic concierge with fascinating stories and groundbreaking insights, we uncover how these natural remedies are changing lives. From healing PTSD and breaking addictions to unlocking empathy and mental clarity, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won’t want to miss. 🌿✨ Tune in now to hear how psychedelics like Ibogaine, ketamine, and microdose mushrooms are revolutionizing mental health and offering hope for a better future. 🧠💡 Plus, don’t miss the incredible story of Lamar Odom’s life-changing journey with plant medicine and how it helped him overcome addiction and trauma.  Ready to explore the potential of psychedelics to heal minds and transform lives? Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀💬 Join the conversation and share your thoughts below! 👇 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:30 - Psychedelic Concierge 02:00 - Ibogaine Therapy 04:58 - Specialized Recruiting Group 05:50 - Lamar Odom's Journey 08:25 - Choosing the Right Psychedelic 12:39 - Ketamine Treatment 14:02 - Microdosing Mushrooms 16:52 - The Art of Surrendering 18:29 - Toad Venom Insights 21:32 - Brain Activity on Psychedelics 22:10 - The Suppression of Psychedelics 23:55 - Benefits of Psychedelics for Many 25:37 - KetaVIP Explained 26:58 - Matthew Perry's Experience 29:00 - Microdosing Explained 33:03 - Returning to Nature 36:42 - Timothy Leary's Brain Map 39:50 - Ibogaine Revisited 45:42 - Meeting God Through Psychedelics 51:27 - Unbuzzed Experience 56:07 - Freedom Through Neurogrowth 58:13 - Where to Find Zappy APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Zappy Zapolin https://www.instagram.com/zappyzapolin https://www.youtube.com/@zappyzapolin https://zappydoses.com/   SPONSORS: Specialized Recruiting Group: https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad  #integrativehealth #complementarytherapy #veteranmentalhealth #ptsd #ayahuasca

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So they don't have the empathy that's required to really care and make a change and help other people. And the only way I've seen people get instantly more empathy is to have a near death experience or a major psychedelic breakthrough. All right, guys, we got psychedelic concierge here today. We got Zappi Zappelin here. Let's go and brought some cool product too.

Yes, I got my Zappi doses just in case anybody was concerned that I wouldn't have materials to alter our minds. I love it. It's a micro dose, right? Yeah, absolutely. Are you on one right now? Yes. alter our minds. I love it. It's a micro dose, right? Yeah, absolutely. Are you on one right now? Yes. No, this is amazing because the information that's coming out from the scientists and all these studies, Johns Hopkins, all these incredible institutions are that psychedelics and plant

medicine are not only non-addictive, but they're also incredible for mental health and physical health and things like that. So I think, as we sit here, weeks after the fire in Los Angeles, where I'm based, we've got a situation where I don't think, Sean, anything else can help that city with millions of people having PTSD like psychedelic medicine can. I think

when the dust settles ketamine, which is a psychedelic that is great for grief, PTSD, micro dosing mushrooms like this is gonna put people at ease. And then ultimately there's a plant medicine called Ibogaine that we can talk about where it breaks addictions, any level addiction. So we have these tools, they're brought to us by nature, and we just sort of have to now, with all the knowledge we have, step into that new paradigm. Yeah, that's incredible, man.

What addictions have you seen be broken from Obligaine? I have a movie out with Lamar Odom called Reborn, and with Lamar, I did this psychedelic intervention with him and I wound up, he's sort of a lifelong addict. He had a lot of trauma in his childhood and he couldn't break free from it. So he was abusing all kinds of drugs just to not feel something.

And what happened was I wound up first giving him ketamine treatments with doctors, just to kind of get him comfortable with going inside himself. Once he was comfortable, I told him, you're going to probably have to go down to Mexico to a doctor and do something called Ibogaine. It's from African root called Iboga. And this is capable of breaking any addiction.

Wow. Alcohol, meth, crack, gambling, whatever it is. Lamar took it five years ago and hasn't done any hard drugs since. Holy crap. Just one time he took it or was it a- It's a one time. It's a full reset, mentally, physically.

And in the movie, you see him do it. And he actually called me a couple of days after Kobe Bryant died. And he said to me, Zappi, he's like, I couldn't believe it. But the night Kobe died, I knew as a lifelong addict that I could use that night and everybody would give me a pass on it. But he's like, since the Ibo game that day, I just didn't have the desire to do it. Wow.

I mean, what else do we need? I mean, there's nothing else that's going to break a fentanyl addiction, you know, because this fentanyl, it's not as though people are, you know, just becoming drug addicts. They're actually using, they're having a pain injury or something like that in operation and they wind up on pain meds. Then they get addicted to that. They have to get it on the street because they're still in pain. And now they get fentanyl laced in there and they're addicted to fentanyl.

So we have nothing to combat all these amazing people who are just getting addicted by accident. And Ibogaine is capable of breaking that addiction in a single session. That's incredible. How long has that one been around Ibogaine? Ibogaine has been around for tens of thousands of years. The Bwiti in Africa use it as their ancestral based religion. They use Ibogaine. They commune with their ancestors

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Lamar, there's a physical reset that it does in addition to sort of resetting you to your original frequency, your factory settings, you know, before your parents and these institutions put all this stuff on you, you go back to those, that base frequency and that will allow you to make decisions based on how you feel not reacting to things. And then the physical parts, amazing Lamar, after he did the Aibo game, 48 hours later he said to me and some people that were there, he goes, I feel so good physically.

He's like, I think I can make a comeback in professional basketball. Wow. And we were like, wow. His bodyguard was with us and he was like Lamar, take it easy. He's like, you're 40 years old, you can't be smoking weed. You'd have to work out four hours a day. And Lamar is like, I know what I got to do. I'm doing it. And he just trained himself, nobody motivating him. Six months later, he plays in a professional game in Dubai. Know what?

Yeah. And it was like, there's nothing but the Ibo game that could have got me back here. I'm not the same player that I used to be, but just the fact that I was out here is a incredible rock for me. Yeah, I was at the Zach Bagans Museum. Have you been there?

No, the haunted museum. So there's a bed there. That bed is the bed that Lamar had all his seizures on. I think it was over 15, right? Yeah, I think they said 12 strokes and six heart attacks. Holy crap. That seizure route. What's in the museum?

That's why. Yeah, it's in the museum because they believe that bed was haunted, but still his recovery nevertheless is insane. Yeah, Lamar claims that day, he's very honest. He said, you know, he's like, I'm a professional drug addict. He's like, but that day he's like, I didn't do any drugs. He's like, somebody poisoned me.

Holy crap. There was a lot of negative stuff going on there and he was there for a week and it was just not a good situation. So he's like, when he slipped into that coma, he just like had no idea. And so when he came to me, I was at a movie screening for my first film,

The Reality of Truth with Michelle Rodriguez. And somebody came up to me after the film and they were like, hey, I'm friends with Lamar Odom and he's not in a great place. Would you be willing to talk to him about plant medicine? I just watched the movie, maybe this could help him. And I wound up meeting up with him and his people and was able to convince him that he tried everything else

and maybe this is the solution that he needed. That's incredible, Dun. So each medicine has its purpose. So people come to you and you kind of guide them on which psychedelic to take. Yeah, as a psychedelic concierge, the idea is that like a concierge at a hotel where you say, hey, where should I go to dinner tonight?

They're gonna ask you a series of questions. What kind of food do you like? Do you want music, wine, indoor, outdoor? And they're gonna make a recommendation. So with a psychedelic concierge, I'm asking these people, you know, what kind of, what's your intention for doing this and what kind of trauma are you trying to overcome? And once I know that I can kind of, you know, based on what they need, these different compounds have a different frequency and a different use case for them.

So in Lamar's case, I came up with a formula which was ketamine plus plant medicine plus a daily practice like meditation or breathing would equal his conscious transformation. And the ketamine was there, ketamine is an FDA approved anesthetic. Yeah, Elon Musk is on that one, right? Yeah, Elon Musk is twice a month doing ketamine treatments and it makes a lot of sense because he is

clearly he's in peak performance, which ketamine has been shown to be building new neural pathways in your brain when it metabolizes. So he's getting all that benefit. Plus, I'm sure Sean, it's like pretty annoying when you're like the smartest guy in the room and everybody's asking the same question over and over and you're like, oh my God, I want to kill myself. You know? So I think he really has to, you know, battle some kind of depressive episodes. But meanwhile, every time you do ketamine, it builds these new neural pathways and Lamar as well. He said he thinks he's building back his cognitive ability with the ketamine on a semi-regular basis.

I need to look into that one for myself because I'm all about brain optimization. Yeah, well the reason that they found out it worked, and there are pictures, you can see scans of a brain on different compounds, but when you look at the ketamine compound, 80% of the brain is lit up. It's like the limitless drug,

the real limitless drug that we've all been looking for. And the way they found out that ketamine was effective was they were using it during Vietnam out in the battlefield and they were doing amputations in the battlefield using all kinds of different anesthetics, one of them being ketamine. After the war, they look back and they realized that all the people that had the ketamine anesthetic hadn't committed suicide at the same rate as everybody else. Holy crap. So they realized something's here. They bring it to Yale University. They do a couple thousand person study, which is obviously a big study.

They come up with low dose ketamine, not anesthetic dose, but low dose is 70% effective against treatment resistant depression that nothing else has worked for. Damn. And so we have this opportunity because it's FDA approved, because it's so safe. You know, this is something that they give to children, kids in an emergency room.

It's the number one anesthetic used by oral surgeons on children, because it's so safe and it wears off really quickly. So that laughing gas, is that ketamine? No, that's a little different. That's maybe, I'm going to say that's sort of a surface level version of ketamine because you don't get the metabolization like you get with ketamine. Ketamine is actually a crystal and people think it's made up in a lab somewhere,

but what they're doing is basically taking a salt crystal and people think it's made up in a lab somewhere, but what they're doing is basically taking a salt crystal and they're processing these different salts and what they derive is this ketamine. And it's what's cool about it is all the other psychedelic medicines like mushrooms and things like that, you never really exactly know what you're going to get batch to batch the strength and things. But with the ketamine, because it's a crystal, it's so uniform that you know exactly what's going to happen. It lasts about 35 minutes, the experience. And then 30 minutes later, you walk out, go get something to drink,

eat, whatever it is, go back to your day, almost like it didn't happen. But in the hours after you are metabolizing the ketamine and you're basically building up your neural pathways. I'm definitely gonna look into that one, man. Yeah. I've been offered like guided ketamine sessions or whatever. Yeah, I've been doing these in 2015.

I found out about the effective nature of ketamine in this way and I convinced the doctor down in Florida to give me the treatment, the Yale protocol that they had come up with. And as soon as it hit me, I was like, wow, this is incredible. This is sort of like the best of my plant medicine experiences,

but in a very tight container, there wasn't all kinds of dieting and things you have to do before. And then there wasn't all this integration that you have to do after, because ketamine wasn't all this integration that you have to do after, because ketamine, what it's doing is it's quieting all the chatter in your brain, and it puts you in like this present moment awareness state.

And when you're in present moment awareness, you're there and you're able to look at things from a different perspective. You're able, again, you're using 80% of your brain. So in that sequence, you can clean up all kinds of things in your life, drop fears. And I think, you know, what just happened with the fires in Los Angeles, the only thing that we have, and thank God we have them, are these psychedelic medicines for mental health. And I think ketamine because of its safety and its triage nature and the fact that it's FDA approved, that's going to be the front line because it's amazing for grief, which a lot of these people are going through PTSD of, you know, not knowing what's going to happen next. And then you've got a micro dose mushrooms, which can be used basically to stabilize your nervous

system. And what I usually say, like these are microdose mushrooms. These are actually the only microdoses that are legal right now. This is an Amanita mascara mushroom and it's the red mushroom with the white polka dots that you see all over the place. It turns out that that mushroom, unlike psilocybin magic mushrooms, this one is incredibly good for balancing your nervous system.

And my theory, and I'm not the only one here thinking this, but is that humans, we go around always just trying to balance our nervous system throughout the day. So we'll be like, oh, I need some coffee now. Oh, I should take some alcohol. Oh, I gotta go to sleep. I'll take some Ambien. Just trying to get to that baseline.

So when you microdose mushrooms, you're starting off at baseline and everything's great. And so you don't feel the need to throw anything in there. You're good. And these last, you know, four, five, six hours. Nice. Just having this very nice chill experience. And the idea is that a normal dose of mushrooms

where you'd have this psychedelic experience is around one gram of mushrooms and higher. These are about a 10th of a gram. So when you take a 10th of a gram or a fifth of a gram, a small amount, it's meant to be sub perceptual. And by sub perceptual, meaning you're not experiencing it and having some kind of a trip or realizing it per se. Some people are scared of that, right?

Yeah, I think a lot of people are afraid to let go and surrender. And that's when you see the bad trips. Yeah, usually those are, bad trips are usually about two things. Number one, we have to start testing people because I have a feeling that like a peanut allergy there's certain people are allergic to mushrooms and they just shouldn't have them. Right.

Most of the people never have a bad trip. Sometimes during a journey that you're on, you can face some very emotional things. But if you're in the right, what they call set and setting, which is your mindset before you do it and the setting of who you're with and where you are, you're going to have a fantastic time. That matters a lot because I've had some trips where like my friend will invite someone over while we're tripping and it's like the worst energy. Yeah.

And it just kills the trip. Yeah. It's a tricky thing. It's like we have to train people that these are powerful energies and that, you know, just like a car, you wouldn't give a 16 year old, you know, the car keys and be like, oh, you're 16. Here's the car keys. You have to be trained. You have to be guided in how to, you know, get the most out of it. And I think if you're in the right set and setting with the right people, you will not have a bad trip. And to that point, a lot of times people don't wanna surrender, you know what I mean?

So we're always trying to filter out and prepare for whatever is about to happen. And I'm theorizing that people get bored. They almost know exactly what's gonna happen. Before I reach over here, I know what I'm gonna do. We know that an airplane's not gonna come in. So finally, you get very, you know, almost bored, your mind.

That's why people go to horror movies, because something's gonna happen and thrill them, or they go to a comedy club, because's going to say something they don't expect. Well, psychedelics are the ultimate surrender. So you know going in, you're like, I have to surrender to, this is going to be something that I don't know what's going to happen. But in that excitement, that is where the freedom comes from. That's where the neural growth comes from.

Because if you just stay in this reality right now, where there's so much information and so much technology coming at people, I feel like people are frozen. They don't even know what to do. And these psychedelic medicines, these plants, they're pattern interrupters. They break your normal pattern of, you know, it's not going to work out. I'm a failure, I ruined my life, blah, blah, blah. You get stuck in these patterns. You need a pattern interruption. You don't have to be on them all day, every day. You just need that interruption. And then with a broader perspective, you're able to kind of look at your situation and, you know, see it from a different angle. Yeah, I love that, man. There's a lot of different ones.

There's some intense ones. My friend just did Toad. Yeah. That one was crazy. Have you done that one? I did a plant version of that. It's called 5-MeO DMT. Yeah. And you smoke it.

I did the plant version. I've tried the synthetic and you know, you go right to the white light. It's like, you know's like a near death experience. It's DMT, right? Yeah. And it's releasing DMT. The frog medicine is in a category

that's different than a traditional psychedelic. It's actually a venom. And so what happens with the venoms is you're taking a small amount of venom, your body goes into a death response. It's like, Oh my God, we're dying. We're dying. And then your body basically as a unit says, Hey, cancer cells, get over here. We got to save this guy. Everybody get over here, save it. And then you come out, you know, 15 minutes later, 20 minutes later,

and you're you've reorganized yourself based on, you know, really having to have everything working together. And so there's a lot of benefit, but it is a different experience. It's like a near death experience. And I always say, I believe we're having an empathy crisis right now in this country and the world. And that means that people, they want to care, but they can't really put themselves in each other's shoes. So they don't have the empathy that's required

to really care and make a change and help other people. And the only way I've seen people get instantly more empathy is to have a near death experience or a major psychedelic breakthrough. So I think if in the future we can get enough people in the right set and setting to go inside their own mind and come out with more empathy, we could solve any problems we have as a group because the thinking would be, oh, wow, you know, what about people across

the world or what about water 50 years from now? Wait a minute, let's think about this and raise the empathy level. And I think that's really the solution that we need right now because people are so divided and logic's not gonna work. Yeah, I think raising the consciousness level too, right? Yeah, yeah. Having using more of your brain,

because we as humans, we're sort of a simple filtering mechanism. We're always just scanning for danger constantly. And what you notice is that, let's say you smoke some marijuana, okay, let's say 10 filters come off and you're like, wow, this music sounds really good. Look at those colors and that kind of thing. Mushrooms, maybe a hundred filters come off.

And you're like, wow, there's interdimensional, maybe there's aliens like around and all these different things. And then something like Ibogaine maybe takes all your filters off and you're in the non-physical reality. But you're here and you're having these experiences that are as real as us sitting here right now, but using more of your brain, you're able to tap into that level of awareness and consciousness. Yeah. I just found out yesterday we only use three to four percent of our brains right now. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. I'm going to show you a picture of your brain under psilocybin mushrooms using it, a scan. You can see a little bit of activity in the back of the brain. Then there's LSD. When you take it, using it, a scan, you can see a little bit of activity in the back

of the brain. Then there's LSD. When you take it, there's quite a bit of activity. And then they, I'll show you ketamine and 80% of your brain is active during the ketamine. Wow. Yeah. I can't wait to try it. Honestly, we'll throw up some images on the YouTube episode.

That would be great. Yeah. I mean, this is like, this is something that was suppressed many years ago for all the wrong reasons. And that was that Vietnam was happening in the 1960s. The pharmaceutical companies were bringing out their antidepressants at the time. And so they said, we can't have everybody going around free thinking all the time. We can't have people instantly getting better when they're mental illness.

Let's suppress this. And it turns out Sean, if you follow the money, it was actually the alcohol companies that were behind all this suppression. Yeah. What happened was they realized that this day was going to come, which it's now it's here where people are going to use more cannabis and more psilocybin mushrooms and things than they are going to use more cannabis and more psilocybin, mushrooms and things than there are going to be out drinking. And the alcohol companies knew it and they were like, we got to squash this. So they made up all kinds of things like it puts holes in your brain. You'll jump off the roof. None of that is really the case. These are some of the safest compounds in the world.

And they're also some of the least addictive compounds in the world, which is weird because they're all on schedule one with the DEA. And schedule one, the definition is no medical benefit and high chance for addiction. And so you think about it and you're like, wait a minute, these are not addictive, number one. And number two, we've got a lot of documentation from Stanford and places, Johns Hopkins, that these are actually really good for your health. And so when I talk to people and they hear that, they're like, well, maybe the government's just not ready yet. They don't have enough evidence. And I'm like, okay, well, if the definition is no medical benefit and highly addictive, then why aren't cigarettes on schedule one? They have no benefit. They're killing millions

of people. Why aren't they on there? Obviously, this is just some political game that's being played with people. And before the pandemic, I would have said, not everybody needs psychedelics, just some people. But post pandemic, the amount of PTSD that we have, the amount of technology that's overwhelming people, I almost think that nearly everyone could benefit now from a psychedelic experience in the right set and setting. Yeah, I can agree with that. I've heard a lot of success stories with veterans with PTSD and psychedelics. I'm sure you dealt with that personally too, right? Yeah, I had a charity where we gave away 600 free treatments to veterans using ketamine.

And those stories, we filmed some of them. They're incredible. One guy was a veteran, was on 20 medications in the VA. He was like suicidal, homicidal, trying to get shootouts with cops. So they would just shoot him. And he wound up, his wife insisted that he go to a ketamine clinic in Salt Lake. He went, he said, as soon as it happened, he knew that it was a game changer. And he said he went home that night and he said he hugged his kids for the first time

in 10 years and love. Holy crap. And he's on zero medications. He just does his ketamine boosters, you know, like, like Elon Musk is doing where a couple of times a month, he just goes in there. He builds new neural pathways. He breaks those old patterns. And you know, what else is there that could take you from, you know, 20 plus medications down to zero? Not much, man. Yeah. We gotta embrace this. It's a golden moment for society. Yeah, I think the average person above

either 40 or 50 years old is on five medications right now, right? Yeah, it's really scary, especially in LA because things are happening out of control there right now with the fires. I have a company called KetivIP for ketamine, KetivIP. And we do at home ketamine because you hear about these ketamine clinics,

which are very helpful, but ideally you don't want to go into a clinic and be around other people for something like this. You don't want to have to drive home after be driven home. You want to really do it in your own house. So KETA VIP, we send the medical staff out to your house. They're overseen by a doctor. They stay with you. They create the right set and setting for you. And you have this, you know, 35 minute incredible experience. You build new neural pathways.

And that's something, you know, that basically Elon Musk and people, you know, our celebrity clients and people like that are doing. And... That's pretty quick. Yeah. 35 minutes. Yeah. Psychedelic. It's really fast. It's sort of this incredible thing where, and I think this is part of why I got the FDA approval that it got, is that the half-life is so quick that you can walk

out the door after it's over. It's almost like a lucid dream, but then you feel these new neural pathways almost being built and the next morning you wake up and you're just like, wow, life is beautiful. And I think if somebody were to in Los Angeles, my phone's blown up. And what happened was I actually started this KetivIP because when Matthew Perry passed away, a ketamine related death, which actually they kept on saying acute ketamine was what happened. No, Matthew Perry was a drug addict. Drug addicts do dangerous things and take big time risks. And so he started trying to be his own doctor. So he started giving himself ketamine treatments.

And then he goes into a hot tub when nobody's around. And everybody knows, you know, ketamine is like a muscle relaxer. If he had taken any muscle relaxer and gone in a hot tub, you drown. Wow. So, you know, the death was drowning. And if it had been another muscle relaxer,

they wouldn't have said acute muscle relaxer. But again, there's a lot of people out there, the antidepressant movement, alcohol, these types of things, the psychiatry industry, they don't want people getting cleaned up as quick as ketamine's cleaning people up. But I say to people like, if Elon Musk is doing this twice a month,

and he said on CNN with that Don Lemon interview, he said, my Tesla shareholders and other shareholders should be very happy that I'm doing this because it's supporting me and it's actually making me better. So if we have this limitless drug, I mean, you know, who, who, who are you? Like, do you have more to lose than, you know, Elon Musk and you see people like, uh, Joe Rogan. I saw him on a podcast and he was saying that when they tried to cancel him a couple of years ago, uh, the interviewer said, how'd you get through it? And he goes, mushrooms. And they were like, Oh wow. What'd you micro dose or something? He's like, no, I did about a gram a day and just didn't really think about, you know, the negative stuff.

Wow. And the guy's like, how'd it wind up? And he's like, great. I got like, you know, 2 million more subscribers and, you know, didn't deal with the bullshit. And so that's the opportunity. And I think the best way to start for anybody is a microdose. I mean, you want to work yourself up because every single person is a little bit different. But when you start with a sub perceptual dose, you're not going to have a bad trip.

There's no way. So as you start, you can add and see how that is and add a little bit more. But getting your nervous system clean and balanced every day is important. And these are something that you basically take, you know, every other day. Some people's regimen is to take, you know, five days on and then take the weekend off. And it's a beautiful experience. And what I'm excited about is people like my mom, who's in her 80s, totally resistant to drugs my whole life.

Totally don't smoke marijuana, you'll ruin your brain, all these drugs and stuff. And I was like, mom, I'm following the Grateful Dead around. Like I'm probably definitely going to do some drugs. Thanks anyways. And so years and years later, when cannabis became legal in Massachusetts, my mom was like, she ran out of excuses and she was like, all right, I'm gonna get some edibles, see what this whole thing's about.

And she's like, oh my God, these are amazing for my arthritis and giving me energy. Like they lied to me about this cannabis for 50 years. And so when I approached her with the microdose mushrooms, she didn't even hesitate. She's like, I'm sure they lied about this too, let me try it. And again, good energy,

not being as anxious is what most people need these days. And that's exactly what these microdoses are meant to do. And I'd say specifically, these Zappi doses are engineered around the Amanita mascara mushroom, which is legal because the psychedelic magic mushrooms right now, not federally legal. For now, but we'll see with RFK, right? It's a great moment, right? Because I happen to know he's

had psychedelic experience. He believes in it and he's going to bring that forward with sort of this common sense. Nice. Opportunity that we have. I'm excited for that, man. I'm so excited. A lot of new research coming out. I mean, all the ones I've seen have been really good results. Yeah, Andrew Huberman, I think he was an interesting case

because he was negative on psychedelics, negative, negative, negative. And then a report came out of Stanford that was done by his friends. And he's like, I can't no longer ignore this. And I can no longer say we need more data. The data is clear. Wow.

Yeah. And I thought to him for like changing stance. It really was great. And I think, you know, what happened was they basically showed that ibogaine number one was incredible for veterans in that Stanford study. But the other study that came out in Nature magazine about mushrooms showed that mushrooms were as effective as SSRI antidepressants. So you think, oh, you know, they tried to downplay it like, oh, mushrooms are only as

effective as SSRI antidepressants. It's like, yeah, but they have no side effects. Your stuff, it's like you lose your libido, you gain a bunch of weight, your hair falls out. Yeah, they're the same, but like, I'm going to go with nature. And I think we're in this moment right here, post pandemic, where people are about to start going back to nature. And I believe like 100 hundred years from now, we will be looked back on as the culture at the turn of the millennia, where we went back to nature, where 70 years up until now, we kind of were like, hey, technology can fix everything, we got it, we're smart humans.

And now we're about to go back to nature with our medicine and common sense healthcare. And hopefully rather than being the people who, you know, ruin society with our, you know, technology, we can be thought of as like the people who went back to nature in this time to solve, save ourselves post pandemic. Nature's powerful, man. I haven't cried tears of joy often, but when I was on mushrooms in nature, I remember that vividly. Yeah. Just feeling amazing. Beautiful experience. Beautiful. It's, you know, when you see the connection and I, I was really lucky because

when I was young, I had this psychedelic experience where I had taken a large dose and I looked at my hand and I saw it was like trillions of atoms. Wow. And they were vibrating at this certain frequency. And then I looked at my friend and he was the same atoms, just a slightly different frequency going. I looked at the table. It was like this denser frequency. I was like, Oh my God, everything's atom, the air in between us. And I never could unsee it. And it changed my life. And I was just like, wow, I can't trust my five senses. They're muting out all the things

that are really happening here. And so when I had my spiritual midlife crisis, where I had basically done everything society told me to do, go to school, get a job, make money, have a family, be a philanthropist, you'll be totally fulfilled. I did it. I made millions of dollars and I was sitting there. I was like, I'm not fulfilled. I don't even know what I'm doing here. And so I thought to myself, maybe I have to go back inside, like when I was young and go inside and maybe sit with a shaman, somebody who can guide me to,

you know, figure out what I'm doing here. And that was the impetus for me doing my reality of truth movie. I got Michelle Rodriguez, the actress, to come with me down to Peru and drink Ayahuasca, which is a tea that they brew from a vine. Right. You had to go vegan, right? Yeah. Before that, you're supposed to have all kinds of dietary restrictions. And there's a lot of integration after the, I, the Ayahuasca. But what happened was Michelle Rodriguez is so amazing in that movie. I urge anybody to see it. It's on Amazon prime. It's on YouTube.

It's been seen over 20 million times. And because she's so good, it's said to have caused over a million people to have a psychedelic experience because they watched the movie. Whoa. Yeah. That's incredible, man. Yeah. So it really changed her life.

It really did. You know, even losing her friend, Paul Walker, the actor who died in an accident, she says that she would not have been able to handle that in the same way had she not had her ayahuasca experience. Wow. Same as Lamar, he said that, you know, a lot of the deaths that happened in friends and family in his life, he couldn't process them. And the last time that somebody died after he had had his Ibogaine experience, he was like,

I was able to like, you know, just be strong in my frequency. Where before that, he's like, I wasn't even able to stand up at my, you funeral because I just knew I didn't have anything to offer. I've seen some people never fully recover from death of a loved one. It just eats at them for years afterwards. Yeah. The grief and ketamine, incredible for grief. The thinking, I don't, you know, the thinking is, and the mushroom's incredible for also for PTSD and grief. It's almost like, you know, when you're in anxiety and grief, you just keep playing these things out

over and over. What if I'd done something different? What's gonna happen with this and that? And then, and you play it all the way out to this extreme that's never gonna happen. Most of it's never gonna happen. So with the mushrooms, the micro dosing, it's almost like it's, you know, smoothing the outer edges, those jagged edges.

So you're just sort of like in a realistic place in an okay place, but not with all of this, you know, treacherous anxiety constantly hitting you. Yeah. I used to have nasty anxiety. It was always from overthinking stuff, like you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Planning used to have nasty anxiety. It was always from overthinking stuff like you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Planning out different timelines in my head.

Yeah. Of which, you know, if you can surrender, you know, that's really the ultimate is just to surrender. Like I said, people, they almost never get a chance to surrender. So it feels foreign to them. But if you can get yourself in the right set and setting, and it sounds like you've been in some good set and settings, your psychedelic experience, but that is life transformative. I mean, it's like going outer space.

It's like going to the past. You know, these are powerful agents that, you know, the Ibogaine specifically, that's one that they use to get in touch with their ancestors. And they'll take the ibogaine until they get the question answered by the, by the ancestor. And so we get to use that to go have a conversation with a loved one that passed, go into the past and look at something, go into the future and look. And then once you have that perspective, you're just like,

I'm not scared. Right. You know, I'm good. And you can just resonate in that frequency of being good. I love that. Did you see aliens when you took ayahuasca? I did. I've seen aliens in a number of situations. And I think that that has to do with the frequency vibration because even a mushroom, let's say, it's just a frequency.

It's a bunch of molecules in a certain frequency. So you put that into your frequency and then you synthesize that through. And so when that's happening and you're unlocking aspects of your brain, you're able to tap into things that are happening right here in this room that we're currently filtering out. Some of that may be activity. Some of those experiences may even be alien types working on you in a positive way. And so this stuff happens quite a bit. Timothy Leary, the sort of 60s icon of psychedelics, he says that he has a map of the brain and he says you

have your left brain, that's your survival brain, and you have your right brain, that's your evolutionary brain. And so he says, on this side of the brain, the survival brain, you can trigger it with alcohol as a compound and it'll exacerbate all the fear and all that kind of stuff. He's like, on the right side, your evolutionary, you can hit the fifth one with cannabis, marijuana, you can hit the fifth one with cannabis, marijuana, you'd hit the sixth one with mushrooms,

you hit the seventh one with LSD and ayahuasca, but he's like the eighth area of your brain that unlocks your supercomputer, you release that with ketamine. Wow. And he said that you're basically, many, many reports of people describing alien encounters where people are working on them for their benefit. And Timothy Leary said, it could be that those aliens that you're

perceiving as aliens could be yourself from the future coming back to help yourself. Whoa. That's trippy to think about, right? Yeah. But time isn't real as we know. So that's definitely a possibility. Yeah. No, it's, it's not linear. So cool. Um, I want to tell you, my, um, Ibogaine experience was a, an incredible experience. I did it in 2015. I really believe that as a psychedelic concierge, or if you're going to guide somebody,

you need to have the experience yourself. And so I took it on myself. I'd done all the other psychedelics and I was like, wow, this Ibogaine, I wonder how it could break an addiction, a heroin addiction, 12 hours? Like what does it do? You know, so I got myself prepared and I wound up doing Ibogaine with an expert and I had incredible experience. I went into the past. I went into the future. At one point, the shaman had told me, think of two or three people that you'd like to have a conversation, whether they're dead or alive, and you're going to have a conversation with them at

the soul level. Whoa. And I wound up on the airplane down to Costa Rica where I did it. I wasn't fully prepared of who I was going to see. I was like, my grandfather, Einstein, Buddha, Jesus, like, what do I do? And on the TV screen, on the little screen on the airplane was Beverly Hills Ninja with Chris Farley was on the TV. And I was like, wow, Chris Farley, he'd be a cool guy to meet up with. You know, and I put it, I wrote it in my little journal thing and several hours into my

journey, I wind up meeting Chris Farley and having a full on interaction with him. That was incredible. So is that astral projection? Uh, basically what they're saying is that everything exists in the now and you're able to tap into that. And whether that person's alive or dead or something from the future or the past, you're able using your very sophisticated brain technology and not being limited by your, your senses that you can do almost anything in that state. So I believe I met him at a soul level.

I saw some other things within my own family that I had never seen with my own eyes, but I was able to see my parents when they were very young, having an important conversation I asked about. That's valuable information, right? To see their perspectives. Yeah, and to kind of forgive people. A lot of times people go into the

Ibogaine and they, you know, a lot of times they're drug addicts and they don't really look at what their behavior has done. You know, they can't empathize. They know they did it, but they kind of block it out in the Ibogaine. They see it and they're faced with it and they realize why they're doing these things. But again, ultimately, when you come out of that, it's not even so much the experience itself that is important. But when you come out of that ibogaine and you've done all that neural growth, it's actually said to wipe your prefrontal

cortex. So you have no cravings for anything. So even if you went in smoking two packs of cigarettes or you shot heroin the night before, the ibogaine is going to wipe that and you're not going to crave it. And so I love ibogaine. I think it's the ultimate solution because a lot of the things, you know, ayahuasca and mushrooms and things, you know, if you don't, if you don't want them to work, you may be able to override some of their benefits with the power of your own mind and not wanting to get off drugs or something. But with Ibogaine, I don't care who you are, you are going to have an experience and you're going to transcend your five senses. And so it's really a blessing that we have that in this time where we're up against fentanyl. What are we doing about

it? Nothing. How do you do nothing about it? People can make it in their garage. It doesn't have to be like grown and all these crazy stuff. So how do we fight all these people who are getting addicted, just regular citizens? And the answer is I have a game. And so I think with RFK Jr., I believe this may come out Sean, using the right to try act which is an act where

that's already on the books where if you have some terminal cancer or something and you want to try an experimental drug it's your right to try it but you basically can't sue anybody if it doesn't go well or something like that. Yeah that's what they do with pharma anyways. Yeah. You know. Yeah they test it for like six weeks and they're like, yeah, what's good with vaccines and all that. You can't see

them anyways. So yeah. So under the right to try, I believe we are going to access psychedelic medicine, plant medicine for the first time. And we're going to have an incredible society because if people's consciousnesses are expanded, they have more empathy, and we're collectively trying to help each other, there's no limit to what we can do. And I think it's interesting that psychedelics are coming out in the time of AI as well, because we need something to help us to not destroy ourselves with AI or to just lose the parts of being a human. And so how do you temper that much power?

It's plant medicine. It's this very simple, natural thing. And so I think it's great that it showed up right now in concert with AI. And I say to people, when I die, I don't want to go to the pearly gates and God's there. And God says to me, what are you doing here? And I say, well, I died of this disease or this thing. And God's like, well, what about all the natural things

that I put there, like the mushrooms and stuff? Why didn't you take that stuff? And if I say, well, because some guy in a white coat told me not to do it, God's going to be like, guess what? You're going back a hundred lifetimes more. You're going to have to figure this out. And so that I think is going to be a beautiful thing. And, you know, as a segue, when I went and did Ayahuasca with Michelle Rodriguez in Peru, I had a meeting God experience. And when Ayahuasca lasts several hours, but when I came out of it, all of a sudden I just

started laughing. And I realized that I just got the whole human cosmic joke, which is you think about God in society, it's like this guy with a white beard and Buddha and Jesus, Muhammad, all these men. And I was with God and it was a woman. Whoa. Yeah. That is nuts. It was incredible.

And I thought to myself, wow, God has to at least be 50% feminine. And here I am with this creative energy of God and manifestation. And here we are as humans going, there's a guy with a beard. You know, it's just like the whole entire thing of religion is wrong at the base base level. And I think that's disrupting things quite a bit. And I think if we got more in touch with Mother Nature, things would be a lot better right now. That is fascinating. What did you ask God? Did you have questions for him?

I or her, I guess for her. Yeah, I asked a couple of questions. One I ask in the reality of truth movie that you can see where I ask God, like, why do bad things happen? And when I asked that, I was like basically pulled out to the edge edge of the universe. And I was looking at everything like to the edge edge of the universe and I was looking at everything like God would look at it totally contained and that was the first time God spoke to me in like a voice and was this woman's voice

and it said do you see that it's perfect it's perfectly balanced if something happens over here it'll be made up over here and I was like wow you're right it's perfectly balanced wow incredible and so I had that moment. And then I said, and then God in this female voice basically said, do you know how you're breathing right now? And I thought about it. And I was like, nah, no, I don't know how I'm breathing. Do you know how you're digesting your food? You're doing it. You know how you grow your hair. You're doing it. Like, do you know how?

And I was like, no. And God was like, then what makes you think I need your help? Wow. And I was like, holy shit, like, you're right. I'm off the hook. Like, I can't get upset because these people aren't listening

and these things. It's like, I don't even know how I'm breathing. If I don't do that for two minutes, I die. And like, I don't know that. Like, and God was just like, just enjoy it. And I came out of that and I was like, I'm just going to enjoy it. I'm in a miracle and everything is a miracle. Kind of like that Einstein quote, you either think everything's a miracle or nothing's a miracle. And I realized in that moment, I was like, this is a miracle. The sun is like 93 million miles away so we can have an atmosphere. I'm talking on a phone and zoom, you know, video to China in real time.

I'm like, these are miracles. If I lived 500 years ago and I showed somebody that they'd be like, you're a wizard, you know, burn them at the stake or something like that, you know, they'd be horrified that the power and technology and how miraculous it is, you know, burn them at the stake or something like that. You know, they'd be horrified that the power and technology and how miraculous it is, you would have been thought of God. And so we have all these things and we get jaded because the illusion is so good that it actually looks like there's space in between me and you. I end right here with my skin. There's nothing else going on. And the reality is that there's so much going on that if you just accept you're in a miracle, it's just gonna play out miraculously.

That's beautiful, man. So was that an ego death for you? That was an ego death, yeah. That was the ayahuasca, almost everybody reports this ego death situation that happens. It happened quite a bit earlier than the meeting God experience. It's like in the earlier parts of the ayahuasca, this feminine energy, they call it like Pachamama or the grandmother, gives you this hug, so you're not having a heart attack when you're seeing death. But there was a moment in that

ayahuasca where I was sitting there in the room and I was just sitting there and then all of a sudden I was like, Oh my God, I just died. I could lean into this and die or I could pull myself back out. But like, wow, I looked around and I was like, if this is death, it was so dynamic. It was like everything. And I was like, wow, if this is death, it was so dynamic. It was like everything. And I was like, wow, if this is death, like this is pretty incredible. I don't need to be afraid of this. And when I came out, I had that sort of freedom where I'm like, I don't, I'm not, I'm kind of like, like Michelle Rodriguez was kind of misquoted somewhere, but she did say she was when her friend Paul Walker died, she's like, I was sort of jealous of him that he got there first because of my ayahuasca.

And you know, they took that to be like, oh my God, she doesn't care about life. But the reality was she was saying like, that's nothing to fear. You know, just like, you know, before you came into this world, you were, let's say in your mother's womb, you're like, wow, this is everything. This is wow, it's totality right here. And then you come out, now you're in life and you're like, wow, this is everything, you know, and then you die. And of course, there's another chapter, which is that chapter. And so, you know, in order to break free of that fear of death, I think it's going to take, again, a near-death experience, which takes you out of that, or some major psychedelic experience,

but best to be guided. Because like you said, the set and setting, the energy of who's around you, you want to get as much out of it as possible. And so I think we have to lean into the plants right now. This, this other product I have right here, this thing's called unbuzz. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a breakthrough product that could not have existed before. Now, uh, there are things in here like ketones and things that we really didn't have access to previously, but this product unbuzzed, when you're drinking alcohol and you're drunk, you put this in water and you drink it, five minutes later, you feel sober.

30 minutes later, you can blow a breathalyzer and your blood alcohol level is down something like 50%. And what's happening is, this is causing, these plants are causing your liver to do an excess workout. So it's working really, really hard in that moment and that time. And what's really exciting, we're doing a clinical trial because one of the guys who founded the company, he was going out and drinking every night as a part of his business that he does. And he was going out, his wife was getting really angry

with him. He was coming home like sloppy drunk all the time. So she got fed up. He had access to the unbuzz early and he started drinking it before he went home. And his wife was like, Oh, I really appreciate you taking this serious now and not coming home so drunk. I love that you're, you know, clearer. And he was like, wow, this is amazing. But he goes to his doctor and the doctor says, you've gone from a stage three fatty liver to a totally healthy liver. Whoa, ever you're doing keep doing it. And the guy was like, the only thing I'm doing

is taking this on buzz. The guy was like, well, it's causing your liver to work out and it's getting stronger. And it's, it's resolving. That's incredible, man. Yeah. So these will be in every bar, every restaurant, every, everybody's gonna have them in the glove box because if you drink too much and that can happen to anybody, you just, you know,

take some unbuzz and you, you know, give yourself a little bit of time and let your liver do its thing. Can you fly with those? Yeah, these are 100% legal. There's nothing in these except, you know, plant-based materials. We'll bring those on the next cruise, man. That's a good product.

Yeah, I have some for you and you guys. This is going to be a must-have. And then I want, you know, I'm going to give you guys some of these microdoses because to have a legal microdose right now that puts you in a chill vibe, not a antsy, you know, hyped up, but a more chill vibe. I feel like that's what everybody needs. And so I've wanted to have these Zappi doses out for a while, but I couldn't after the fires and after the pandemic, I was like, you know what? Doctors don't even really know about nutrition, you know, which could solve 80%

of the cases that they're working on. So like, why would I think they know about psychedelics? They don't. They're just repeating what they heard. I can't listen to these people. I'm not going to die or be sick because they don't know. I have to trust nature. I have to trust Johns Hopkins and Yale University and Stanford. Like I'm listening to these types of people. And so I think right now you have to take your health into your own hands. It's not enough to just say, well, let me see what the doctor says.

Let me see if he likes it. They're gonna be wrong and you're gonna potentially have a negative physical outcome when these God- God given things are here on earth to help us through addiction and tapping into spirituality. It seems like a no brainer to me. Yeah, these doctors are going to prescribe you Xanax, five vans, Adderall.

That stuff is whole nother podcast. Talk therapy is not going to work. I mean, then they get you on the antidepressants and these things, anti-psychotic medications. And, you know, to that point, these things are only supposed to really be taken for like six weeks. And people are on these for 10 or 20 years. So here you have these natural mushrooms that are safe and effective. And it's like, how have we been ignoring it?

I think it's just because, you know, as a society, we've gotten more technologically driven and now we've had a couple of major events. And unfortunately humans, they say only do things when it's more painful to do nothing. So I think people may not embrace psychedelic medicine and plant medicine yet. They may need some horrifying thing to happen, which very well might, you know, Putin decides

he's going to nuke us or Kim Jong Un or, you know, some horrifying natural occurrence happens and everybody's rattled and they go, what do we do? We can not go back to what wasn't working before. We have to embrace now these natural cures. All right. So you also have a nonprofit related to this, right? Yeah. I have a nonprofit called Freedom Through Neuro Growth. And Freedom Through Neuro Growth is about taking people who are handicapped, physically,

mentally, people who are on the spectrum, autistic, and giving them a psychedelic experience in the right set and setting and allowing them to transcend their physical body or their brain state. And for me, if I had a relative and they had, you know, cerebral palsy or they've been in an injury where they their spine didn't work or they were on the spectrum to be able to give them a frequency vibration of these compounds and let them transcend their physical body. It's like that's what they need. That's what's going to help them to not just be in that chair all day, every day. They're going to have this place that they can go and access. They're going to have this experience. And we want to do Ibogaine for some

of these people. And that's going to actually grow new neural pathways, do a lot of physical healing. And when people are able to look at the results of these type of people doing Ibogaine, doing ketamine and seeing that neural growth, that data is going to change everything. And so it's all about the data right now. Even these Zappi doses, when you get your Zappi doses, you get to be part of our study. And we're doing an observational study where we show people what's happening with different people and you get to see who's coming off of their meds, who's drinking less alcohol, who's scoring better on their anxiety profiles. So you're really going to be part of this beginning stage here.

And if we bring that data to the medical establishment and say, Hey, here's the opportunity with these compounds. That's what this freedom from neuro growth is all about. So check out freedom from neuro growth.com. Be part of it. Donate. You're going to get somebody who never would have had the chance. These are the last people that are going to get somebody who never would have had the chance. These are the last people that are going to get the opportunity to do a major psychedelic breakthrough. We

want to give it to them now. Absolutely. Zappi, where can people find you and get some stuff from you? You can go to zappi.com. Check it out. That'll take you to where I am. You can go to zappi-doses.com and get your zappydoses. These are like probably the most incredible thing you can have if you're having anxiety or a family member having anxiety. And you can check out Unbuzzed and definitely have some of these in your car, in your jacket pocket, because if you're a drinker,

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