Digital Social Hour - The Untold Truth About Digital Control 🌐 I Ian Carroll DSH # 1261

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

Get ready for a deep dive into the untold truth about digital control with Ian Carroll on this must-watch episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! Join the conversation as our guest unpacks the hidden forces shaping media, government influence, and the ever-evolving digital landscape. From explosive insights on debates and media manipulation to uncovering the darker side of global power dynamics, this episode is packed with eye-opening revelations you won’t want to miss!   How are intelligence agencies, media, and tech giants controlling the narrative? What about your freedom in a world of centralized digital currencies and surveillance? The answers might shock you. Plus, hear real stories about navigating censorship, standing up to powerful institutions, and bringing facts to the forefront.   Tune in now to uncover the facts they don’t want you to hear! Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more groundbreaking conversations on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! Your journey into the truth starts here.    CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:26 - Ian's Joe Rogan Experience 01:53 - Ian's Alex Jones Experience 03:35 - Ian's Elon Musk Experience 06:00 - How Often is Ian Wrong 06:38 - Life, Death, Taxes 08:59 - Trump and the Budget 10:55 - Anna Paulina Luna 12:47 - Twitter Insights 14:01 - Weaponization of Government Agencies 17:40 - CIA History and Inception 20:50 - Opioid Epidemic Discussion 21:54 - RIP Jamie White Tribute 23:19 - Decline of the Daily Wire 28:43 - Political Debates Analysis 33:00 - Understanding the Deep State 34:05 - Is There a Fix? 36:50 - Interest Alignment in Politics 39:34 - Depopulation Agenda Theories 42:24 - Pandemic Impact 43:51 - Cyber Pandemic Risks 46:12 - False Flag Attacks Explained 49:50 - All Wars Are Bankers' Wars 51:20 - World War II Overview 55:30 - Current Global Issues 57:44 - Economic Collapse Predictions 1:00:54 - Living in a Black Mirror Episode 1:04:54 - The Blacklist Insights 1:05:25 - Where to Find Ian 1:05:49 - First In Boston Event Update   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Ian Carroll https://www.instagram.com/oldstatesaloon   SPONSORS: SPECIALIZED RECRUITING GROUP: https://www.srgpros.com/   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/   #trump #donaldtrump #foxnews #turningpointusa #jre

And realistically, like I've had people ask like, Hey, would you debate like Nick Fuentes or would you debate like whoever the it's like, no, I'd probably sit down and ask them a whole bunch of questions because I think that understanding is more important than like debating. Debating is for once we actually like you have two experts that really have elaborated their points and understand their points and like are going to engage in debate. to engage in debate. All right guys, Ian Carroll here fresh off of Rogan. A lot of interesting feedback on my one. Yeah, dude. It was a firestorm. It was fun. I'm really proud of how it went.

I thought it was really great conversation. Tons of fun. Were you shocked with some of the feedback? No, not, not in the least. I was, I was not shocked about like the Israel pushback, even though that was not even like, that was only like maybe 30 minutes of the podcast directly. Um, I was a little taken off guard by how much like controlled opposition. Like he's, it's all he's, they're all in on this plan to control the media

kind of like from sort of our side of things, but I shouldn't have been shocked by that, like obviously. Um, so, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. You're in an interesting spot because a lot of people go against Israel and they have a business and then, you know, it starts getting attacked, right? You know, they start losing money, they start losing sponsors, but you're new to this space and you're just coming up.

So, and I personally kept myself, I have like, no, I mean, now I am starting to build out more of like a network of people I'm working with and products I'm on and I was just launching this event and kind of that turned into a whole thing Like, no, I mean, now I am starting to build out more of like a network of people I'm working with and products I'm on. And I was just launching this event and kind of that turned into a whole thing just now, um, but mostly it's like, I have no reliance on donors and no reliance on any of that kind of stuff that you can come after. And so I was kind of immune to, like, I still am kind of immune to all that censorship and I was intentional because good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this space, if you're going to talk about controversial shit, you better have your sources of income like protected and diversified and ready for that kind of. Criticism. Absolutely. You also went on Alex Jones recently too, right?

Yeah, I've been doing a fair bit on info wars. I just really enjoy the whole crew there. I especially like, I've got a huge amount of respect for, um, chase and for Harrison for Owen, for the whole like team there. And obviously Alex, like for being in the game since I was not even born yet. Um, yeah. And so when he, when he called me up, right. Like everyone's been kind of talking shit about Alex for not talking about Israel. Which I totally understand with the amount of heat he's got on every other aspect.

And like, just seeing the amount of heat I got after the Rogan podcast. It's like I get it that he's like a There's way more things wrong in this world than just Israel and be like he doesn't need that heat So when I posted when the Rogan clip came out, he immediately was like yes Jeffrey Epstein clearly was working with Israel in some regard and Alex was clearly ready to go in on that So I was like, let's go dude dude, let's fucking break this down. It's cool. It's cool. So, yeah, this all started from ratioing Elon Musk. I had more or less.

Yeah. I mean, I've been talking about it since October 7th, but, uh, but ratioing Elon Musk was a funny moment. And still when I look at my analytics on Twitter, it's like, everything looks like really tiny because there's this one day where it just spikes insanely high. I think that was the ratio record world record. I probably was. I mean, it kind of it's weird, but it might go down in like X history at

least for a while until the next, till the next big thing, but I couldn't, how many likes did that tweet get? I don't know, dude. Several million likes. Same. Yeah. It was tweet reply to get several million. Yeah.

And it was like a whole thread of tweet replies too. And it was just like, cause Elon was replying and then I was replying. So it was like deep in there and it just caught like fire, which says so much about how America feels and how America wants open discussion about information, not like political talking points. Well, you came with receipts. That's the difference between you and these conspiracy theorists. You have facts and data.

And I led that way intentionally from the very start on TikTok. I, I knew that just from kind of like thinking about how this works and how the space works, like when you're a nobody, no one gives a shit about your opinion and you're not going to grow. And so I knew that instead of focusing on me and what I think about the world, I'll just focus on information. And that's why I've always put sources in my videos, partly because that's how you grow on social media, but also because that's how journalism works. That's how like the scientific method works.

If you don't have a source, it's just your opinion. And so I'm way more fond of just showing sources and getting people talking and thinking for themselves rather than saying that I'm because I'm not always right. I'm often not. And when I'm not because I focus on sources, I have no problem being like, oh, I fucking misunderstood that, changed my opinion. No harm, no foul. Like there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. We need more of that in this world today. What percentage would you say you're right versus wrong so far? Oh, I don't know.

I mean, that'd be an impossible thing to say. I think it's like over 90% right. Oh yeah. That's, I mean, that's how I feel about it. And I'm sure that's debatable. People would dispute that, but there it's also really hard to say because I don't see the world as black and white or simple in any way. Almost none of the things I talk about are.

And so in some regards, it's like hard to even judge if someone is right or wrong unless they take a really hard, clear stance on something. And I generally tend to make my stances more of like, like, Searching for the perfect job can be overwhelming. You know, it's out there. You just don't know how to find it. The good news? You don't have to do it alone. Shout out to today's sponsor, Specialized Recruiting Group. Specialized Recruiting Group is here to help.

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Um, and so I don't really focus on how much I get right, how much I get wrong. I focus on like, am I on the right path and am I staying humble and open to criticism because for me, that's the sort of ongoing metric of like, are you getting locked into this paradigm of I know everything, which is an obvious dead end, or am I continually learning and change? Because the point is to learn, not to like gain followers for me anyways. That famous quote, right? The only thing that's certain is life, death and taxes.

Shingo. Yeah. And man, hopefully we can get rid of the taxes part. I mean, Elon's investigation into how these governments are spending the money is mind blowing if these are true. Like, I don't know if they're true what he's tweeting, but the ones that I've looked into are, I mean, that's why that's the other thing I try to do is like a lot of the stuff I got started on was there's all these conspiracy

theories online, you usually see like an Instagram reel with no sources. But so it's like, I'll just look up to the sources. Like, can I find the information to back this up? And so a lot of the Doge stuff, I started digging through the publicly available government sources and it's like, I mean, I found a whole bunch of shit right in line with what he's talking about checks out. Oh yeah, absolutely. I didn't find all the like transgender mice stuff and everything.

Cause there's so many receipts online already, but I don't doubt a single one of them, but I also am kind of disheartened by the fact that like they uncover all this Doge shit and then we have this vote on continuing the budget and Massey is the only one standing on principles saying, no, fuck this budget. This budget funds all the things that you're speaking out against and trying to get rid of with Doge and you're about to fund all of it all over again. And now Trump is coming out attacking Massey as though it's like, what's primary Massey like that feels such a misstep in my mind.

And I didn't see that. All of Twitter this morning is just raging against Trump on it. Even Trump supporters, like I'm really proud of the sort of Republican side of politics right now, especially on X because they're standing on principle, at least at the moment, not on party. And this is a clear call out. It's like, it feels like a war from, um, Chris Lassi, Lassi Vita. Um, and it's just ridiculous.

It's like, fuck you guys. We stand with Massey. We stand with America first. It does feel different. I feel like 16 Trump, his supporters would just support everything. Yeah. And now it feels like there's actually intellectual conversations going on. But also 16 Trump, I mean, we didn't have four years of him kind of failing to

deliver on a lot of promises yet. And 16 Trump, he, I mean, like the famous quote from the debate stage against Jeb Bush of like, I don't want your money. I don't need your money. Right. And that's why they're all clapp, that's why they're all booing me right now. And man, I wish we had that guy in office right now. And I do love a lot of the things that Trump has done more.

I love the things he said he would do. Um, I think a lot of us are starting to get a little disappointed about how many things we're not getting done that we said we'd get done. Yeah. I thought the files would be published by now. I don't know if that's on him or whatever, but I mean, so a clip came out just yesterday from Tucker Carlson talking to Cuomo on Carlson's podcast, where they were getting into why aren't the files out yet? And Carlson said that he had inside information on someone

that had someone in Congress that had pressured, you know, these people not to release files. And then Chris Cuomo was like, why don't you expose them? You know who they are. Like say your names. It's like, yeah, yeah, it's Tom Cotton. And so that is just one great example of how inside of Congress, there are forces working against, even if cash and Pam Bondi actually want the files released, which I'm not convinced they do at this point, especially Pam, there's strong forces inside pushing against them. And we, and it's important to remember that we don't know if that's because they're blackmailed or if that's because they're trying to use the blackmail on

the people that are blackmailed and there's more complicated plans going on here. Um, it like, I understand that there's complexities here and that there's certain amount of transparency that might actually be harmful to national security. But at the same time, like don't promise things you can't deliver on. And what we're seeing, regardless of how they're playing it, it's clearly not America first. Yeah. Um, so.

How is Tom so influential that one person could be that? That's a good question. He's on one of the important committees in Congress that, uh, I forget exactly which one it is, whether it's the house intelligence committee or what it is, but he's on one of those committees and that's how Congress kind of gets stratified where not every Congress person is made equal and some of them have way outsized amounts of power and influence because it's not just having a seat, it's having the right seats within those seats, like as in all those different committees, but then it's also having all of the political capital,

all of the wheeling and dealing capital. And that's the, that's the rat race that ultimately like is that power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts, like our absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And Tom Cotton feels like the like quintessential shill in my mind. Anyways, have you looked into Annapolina Luna? She's been on. I have actually. Um, and it was because of another of these kinds of like conspiracy

theory blowups is when she made this task force. Yeah. Um, about the Epstein files and all the files. Um, X really blew up on her, like the sort of like anti-Israel and like anti-Jews side of X really blew up on her of like, she used to be a strapper and she's like, she's Jewish and all this shit. I was like, well, let's look into the details here. And, and so I don't have a opinion of like knowing one way or the other. Cause I try not to judge people that I don't know. And I try to watch actions. Um, but I contacted a source that knows her well that I trust very deeply and all

of my audience trusts very deeply. I don't want to name the source, but that source said that they trust Annapolina Luna deeply and that she's the real deal. And so I was like, good, that's a point, a point in her favor. And then when I dug into Annapolina Luna's history, it turns out that that the whole stripper allegation thing, I mean, yeah, she did like, you know, sexy content, but when you know the context, my understanding of the context is that her husband was fighting in, was fighting in the military and he got shot and they

suddenly couldn't pay their bills and he had all these medical bills. And so it's like, you like just there's more to those kinds of stories. So you have to kind of, you have to kind of dig a little deeper. And I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with her decisions on any of that stuff, but I'm ready to reserve judgment. The Jewish thing, for example, they're like, oh, she's Jewish. It's like, they kind of, but like she wasn't raised by the Jewish side of her family at all, as far as I can tell. And she, it does not appear to be Jewish at all. Like, like it's easy to run away with conspiracies when the bait is there. Um, and maybe it's true.

Maybe Annapolina Luna is not all she's cracked up to be, but I, that was for me, that's like this constant experience of pump the brakes and check the sources and make sure that you really want to stand on the hill you're about to stand on and shout, um, whatever it is you're going to shout. So do you feel yourself getting pulled in so many directions? Cause Twitter's just, oh yeah, dude, especially because Twitter, I mean, it's not just the conspiracies. I'm kind of used to that because that's kind of why I got under the game is like double check all the conspiracies, but on, on X it's like news and information

flows so fast that it's really easy to get caught up in that, that time warp of get out there first and get the light, get the views. And that is so detrimental to good journalism and so detrimental to like just learning. Because if you're going to learn something, you need to spend more than three hours on it. And you can't, if you're going to follow the X news cycle. And so I have partly like, I'm so new, I have, you know, years worth of catching up to do to understand this world that I really try to like stay out of that

rapid fire cycle and like do a project learning about this CIA operation, do a project learning about the history of that president so that way, cause history is not what we were told. And if you don't understand history, the real way it played out, you don't understand today. So I try to stay focused on like, yeah, keep your eyes on that news cycle. But, but really like make sure you're doing projects, make sure you're spending the time to actually learn the real depth of what's going on and don't just

get caught up in views and clicks and. Smart. Yeah, exactly. The weapon is weaponization of government agencies was a big selling point this election. Did you look into that? Yeah, I mean, that sort of accidentally became my whole shtick in some ways. Like the way that Elon and Doge and the current administration are taking it is like

only one angle of it, as in they're going after wasted money through these corrupt programs, which is huge. But it's part of this whole picture that is sort of the intelligence agency, like the deep state, like blob that's been hiding behind the show that is Congress and like American politics. Right. And I thought I was going to be starting my channel to like talk about financial crimes, like the GameStop world, all these things. But in researching how like our government works, how money works and everything,

I just realized that that blob, that intelligence agency, organized crime network, deep state, that is so important to understanding how the world works that I just naturally, that's what I kind of always have been reporting on. And that it's all tied together because USAID is just a bunch of shell companies for laundering money into like either black budget programs or corporate programs or like just straight up fraudulent programs to enrich wealthy people. Yeah. Um, so it's, it's a huge piece of that same puzzle that is this bigger kind

of deep state issue that we have all around the world right now. Dude, it's really fascinating. Cause I've had mafia guys on the podcast. Yeah. I say the government is a criminal organization. A hundred percent. I mean, one of the biggest like red pills for me was just learning the history of intelligence agencies and how right from the very founding of the

CIA, before we even founded the CIA, we were already in bed with the mob and the mafia during World War II. And right from the beginning, the whole point of intelligence agencies, really, not stated, but realistically it was to access organized crime as a conduit for government operations. Wow. And they, and really intelligence agencies function in order to set up those was to access organized crime as a conduit for government operations. Wow. And really intelligence agencies function

in order to set up those sort of like obscure shell companies and corporate networks that allow you to access corporate and criminal networks so that you can do things you're not supposed to be doing. Because if you're allowed to be doing it, you would just send the military or send like a government asset or send a diplomat, whatever, right? The whole point of covert operations is that if your operation gets

found out, it doesn't trace back to your government. And that's always been the point. And they've always done that through these networks of like weird NGOs and weird shell companies. And when you learn about the history of the CIA and all other intelligence agencies too, you learn that, oh, there's so much precedent for this. Like their entire history is the same pattern. So we shouldn't be surprised when we discover it now. We should be expecting it. That's so interesting. So from inception, they had this kind of plan.

I was under the assumption they kind of got hijacked. No, yeah, a lot of people are. So the brief version is that Truman, the president that signed the CIA into reality right after World War two, he wanted it to be like a newspaper. He wanted it to be like just my information briefing, but the founder of the CIA, Alan Dulles and all the people around him, they thought that intelligence gathering was like peasant work and they, they thought it was retarded.

And they were just utilizing that to get Truman on the hook because they wanted covert operations because they were all corporate lawyers. And really what founding the CIA was, was corporations being like, fuck yeah, we can get the government to sanction violence on our behalf. And so one of the first operations we did that's really famous is we overthrew the government

of Guatemala on behalf of United Fruit because Guatemala was fucking with United Fruit's land over there. And the Alan Dulles, who's like the godfather of the CIA, he was a lawyer for this law firm that represented that fruit company. And so it's right from the start, it's been the CIA acting on behalf of their corporate interests, on behalf of organized crime interests, on behalf of the people that are at the top of their networks, whatever their personal interests are.

It's, it's been a real shit show right from the start. And Guatemala is just one of numerous examples. Like we bought the government of Italy right after World War II by just passing bags of cash to the mafia because we were afraid that communists would take over. We bought the government of Japan out all throughout the 50s, more or less, 50s and 60s. And it's just a pattern that repeats over and over and over. Those are the black budgets you're referencing, right?

Exactly. And the problem is that early on, so Truman signs the CIA into law and he, the CIA always had funding problems first because they, no one really knew their authority or what their mission was because it wasn't what they were saying it was. And so they never had enough money. And so really early on, and this is sort of where this is like the missing link that most people don't realize is that the CIA needed a shitload more money than they were getting for operations they weren't supposed to be doing, but was their real goal was these covert operations.

And so they realized, well, we can fund covert operations with covert operations. And what that quickly turned into was drug smuggling. And so the CIA in Vietnam was, was helping to cultivate the heroin in the poppy fields in Laos and Vietnam, um, and they were smuggling poppy fields in Laos and Vietnam. And they were smuggling that and getting black budget money from that. They were doing the Iran-Contra scandal, which was cocaine trafficking, which has largely

been exposed now from Central and South America. And it's not really been fully exposed yet, but Afghanistan was the exact same operation where we go in and over, like the Taliban comes in and takes over Afghanistan and they outlaw opium cultivation and they burn all the fields down and they, they destroy 90 to 95% of opium production in Afghanistan. And at the time Afghanistan was the world's top opiate producer. And so that's like big pharma hates that the drug smugglers hate that the CIA hates that and all of a sudden we go to war in Afghanistan and then we have

us special forces guarding the poppy fields. And on the Joe Rogan show, he actually showed the clip of, uh, man, I forget the reporter's name, total clown going and interviewing a Marine about like, so how does it feel to be guarding opium fields? This is like, we have to do this out of respect for their culture because it's like the most ridiculous interview ever because it was right in front of all of our faces and right then the opioid epidemic kicked off. Why? And totally annihilated my whole generation. Like our generation is full of people that we lost to heroin.

Oh, yeah. And that was through legal opioid prescriptions as well as illegal heroin. And there's, when you do the math, like more than 95% of the world's heroin supply and opiate supply is coming from Afghanistan, from those poppy fields. So that just implies mathematically

that both the illegal heroin supplies and the legal opioid supplies are all coming supplies coming from Afghanistan from those poppy fields. So that just implies mathematically that both the illegal heroin supplies and the legal opioid supplies are all coming from those same suppliers. So like how separate are they really? It's the same pattern over and over and over is sell drugs and traffic humans and traffic guns and do all these things in the shadows that you can kind of explain is for like national interest but needs to be kind of black operations. But those funds are getting funneled into black bank accounts that are then funding more operations. And you get this just like compartmentalization on compartmentalization

on compartmentalization, where even most of the CIA doesn't know what they're up to, most of the special forces don't know what they were up to, um, because it's need to know and you just like, it only takes one guy at the top to sort of like pull a lot of strings to help his buddies out and suddenly the deep state gets out of color hole Oh, yeah, and I thought I was gonna fucking research GameStop and suddenly I'm like suddenly I'm like, okay So our government has been in bed with the human traffickers and organized crime like drug smugglers from the start Like there's there's a whole set of files and reports on the one in Vietnam, where we were smuggling heroin for the first time, kind of realizing how lucrative that could be and George HW Bush, uh, Bush's dad, he was one of the

primary culprits in that, in that whole organization. That's the time when he said he wasn't involved in the CIA, but he was. Um, they were not just smuggling heroin out of Laos to sell around the world. The allegations in the official FBI documents that I see and I have are literally that they were selling them to the Vietnam, the soldiers, the American soldiers in Vietnam in order to make money. And that's why so many Vietnam veterans came home addicted to heroin is because we were the supply and we were making money off of it.

And that's one that like, they were pretty slick about that. So it didn't really come out in the same way that Iran Contra came out. Cause the guy in charge of Iran Contra was a giant retard. Yeah. Um, but yeah, those guys pretty much got away with that whole operation and now, uh, most of them are dead. This is crazy. Yeah.

Elon literally said on Rogan, if he exposes some of the stuff, like Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, I'm carrying right now, like, like out of way. Yeah. After what happened to, uh, to, um, Jamie White, it's like rest in peace. And I don't think that that was necessarily intentional, but rest in peace to him.

And like such a tragedy for the whole info wars crew and for, and if anyone doesn't know it's that this writer for info wars was murdered, uh, two nights ago. And we don't have any answers yet. We don't know what the story is. Um, he was on a list that enemies of Ukraine, like list, whatever it is. Are you almost, We don't know what the story is. He was on a list, the enemies of Ukraine, like list, whatever it is. Are you on a list? I don't know. If I'm not, I'll probably get there soon. I'm on the ADL's list now, so you know, it's just, you know, one list at a time. You can only get so many awards in one week. So, did you win anti-Semite other year yet? Probably, even despite not being... So I made an edit

from the Rogan podcast of all the times I said it's not being, so I made an edit from, um, from the Rogan podcast. Of all the times I said, it's not all Jews and I don't, I do not hate Jewish people and Jewish people are regular people because like I said that over and over and over on that podcast. And it's just such a glaring like representation of what's going on here that that the news tried to smear me as being anti-Semitic despite all the times that I said that this is a deep state government problem. And Israel is just as vulnerable to this government problem as every other government. And, and it's very telling that when you try to criticize that corrupt

government concept, you get smeared as an anti-Semite instead of addressing the problem. Yeah. So I think people are catching on. You're seeing it with the decline of daily wire. A hundred percent, dude, the daily wire is in big trouble. And I'm, I have a lot of sources in the daily wire at this point, and even around the daily wire, people that have left the daily wire, like, like people in my

Instagram con like when I did the reporting on, I think it was Brett Cooper. So Candace Owens, when she got kicked out, I reported a little bit on that. And I got a few sources in there and that then when Brett Cooper started to get pushed out, I kind of got the scoop on like what was really going on there. And in my Instagram comments about Brett Cooper, I had ex daily wire employees being like, Hey, I'll tell you more. I hate the daily wire and I didn't click the money or sign the NDAs. And so it's like the daily wire is like a fucking colander.

There is more holes in that ship than I've ever seen. And, and the, actually there is a story that's going to break before too long about them because it's just like, I mean, everyone in the daily wire kind of knows there's something wrong and people all around the daily wire know there's something wrong and it's yeah. Um, Jeremy's on a bit of a. He's been commenting on my Jake Shields clips. Yeah. Um, Jeremy's on a bit of a. He's been commenting on my Jake Shields clips. Yeah.

Jerry, Jeremy's having a public meltdown and it's not because of. Israel it's because of other things. Really? There's a, I mean, there's trouble in paradise there. Jeremy, I mean, Jeremy is. He, he always had dream and this is public. You can just look up like his history and look up like articles about him is like he was his dream was to be in LA and to make it in movies and to make it in film

and so the Daily Wire was his like big break yeah and and I don't know the story of what money started the Daily Wire and how he got that break or anything like that and I'm not speculating on that but once he made it with the Daily Wire he immediately tried to turn it into a Hollywood film studio and the difference between running a podcast and making a blockbuster movie is like the difference between like farming on earth and flying to Pluto to like terraform it. And so he's trying to do this multiple gigantic budget films that they don't have the money for and they never did.

And having the Brett Cooper thing break in the middle of that was just a whole extra chip and like icing on that cake. Yeah. And, and so, yeah, I don't, I'm not sure the pen dragon cycle is ever going to come out. Yeah. She was probably a large percentage of the revenue. Do you, what was the exact story?

You said you knew what really happened with her? No, I don't know what, I don't know the exact for real, everything that really happened with her. I mean, I've still to this day never talked to her directly. I might've shared past one message with her after it all broke. I forget, but, um, but I have a lot of sources all around and inside the daily wire. And like the story that eventually came out is basically the story. Like, and anything just like the stuff about Reagan taking over and them kind

of like training Reagan to take over them them trying to take her tick tock. I mean, what's in the public square is basically the whole story and everything that's not in the public square that I know I don't want to share because I want to respect breath privacy and it's not my job to share anymore. I just, I just didn't want them to get away with litigating her in secret court and having her under NDAs and trying to keep her silent while they took everything that she had built for them. That was just atrocious, what they tried to do to her. And now what they're, they're doing more, it's more will come out and it's not my

place to break more about Brett specifically. Um, but there, there is a story that I've, I've heard the rumblings of that we'll be breaking before long, I think it's already kind of broken. So, Wow. Stay tuned for that. Yeah. Cause I didn I think it's already kind of broken. So, Wow. Staying for that. Yeah. Cause I didn't believe what daily wire was saying personally.

No, no, no. And, and it was interesting too, is I wasn't paying attention back when Crowder kind of had his spat with them. But once you go back and look at what Crowder said about their contracts and you look at what they did to Brett Cooper, it's like a one-to-one match. Wow. And, and you, Jeremy was on record like back then saying like they have to wage slave and work their way up and earn their place.

And it's like, bitch, Brett Cooper is your place. Like you already kicked out Candice Owens. Now you're kicked out Brett Cooper in the worst possible ways imaginable. I can only imagine what Matt Walsh is feeling right now. Um, especially when you look at the kind of things he's posting online versus the kind of things that his overlords post online and without them, they are nothing. Like the daily wire is just jettisoning all their top talent because they think they're invincible.

And that's like, you can't replace Brett Cooper's show with a different person. It's, that's not how media works, right? Like you can't replace me with a different person. You can't replace you with a different person. That's the way we, this whole industry operates on relationships. And so when you try to burn down a relationship and just slide in another personality, not only does that not work, but it actually works against you because we all see how fake that is.

And that is just, I think that's the global perspective on the day that wire at this point is anyone that doesn't feel that way is not paying attention. Yeah. Wow. So Crowder might get vindicated on this. Yeah. I mean, he sure feels vindicated to me and I don't agree with all the Crowder's shit by any means.

I don't know all the drama around, around him, but- He got super canceled a few years ago. Yeah, for real. I mean, he was instrumental in me kind of waking up and red pilling. I don't, I don't watch much of his stuff anymore, but at the first it was the 2020 election and I was watching their, their coverage of the training 20 election. All the debates back in the day.

Yeah. I mean, and you know, that's the thing that I love about this industry is that love people or hate them. It's like, some people just are smart and are good at arguing their points. And even if I ultimately disagree, I still like love that spirit of America of like, of just debate and just like, you know, the best idea should win. Not the biggest checkbook. Yeah.

Are you going to start getting into debates? No, I really don't think so. And I've had, like, Pierce Morgan invited me onto his show to debate Rabbi Shmueli after the Rogan episode, and it's like, bro, how long is this grift gonna go? Like, why would you be propping up Rabbi Shmueli as a representative of Israel or Judaism

or whatever the fuck that represents? That's a horrible representation. They don't even like them, right? No, I mean, like who would like Rabbi Shmueli? If I was Jewish, I would definitely not. And I'm not, but like, I wouldn't want Rabbi Shmueli representing my perspective. That is like a horrible grift.

And so, and like the thing about debates is that I, like, experts should be debating and I'm an expert on very, very few things. And realistically, like I've had people ask like, Hey, would you debate like Nick Fuentes or would you debate like whoever the, it's like, no, I'd probably sit down and ask them a whole bunch of questions because I think that understanding is more important than like debating, debating is for once we actually like, you have two experts that really have elaborated their points and understand their points and like, are going to engage in debate.

Whereas 99% of people that are talking about debates online, they should be trying to understand the other side because they don't. And until you understand all sides of an argument, you're not qualified to debate. I don't view pure shell as a debate. I see it as not one bit. It's entertainment and clicks and views. And that's why he keeps on trying to push rabbi Schmuel around. Like it'd be way more productive to have someone confident and intelligent on there to represent the

Israeli viewpoint to actually have a conversation. Yeah. Rogan's held some good debates. So I liked the Flint Dibble one with Graham Hancock. Yeah. I mean, it was a good debate, but I couldn't watch the whole thing because Flint Dibble was just so cringy and so controlled that it was just like,

this is not real, dude. And also the other thing is that in a debate format, especially these days, evidence is so important and miss it, like misrepresentation and misinformation about evidence is rampant, like wildfire. And so if I were to debate someone like Flint Dibble, what would need to happen is I would need to be like, tell me your sources for your claims, show me all your sources and I'll go research them for a week, because you have to research.

Like you have to understand sources You have to actually like dig into the information You can't just claim something and not have anything to back it up And if someone makes a claim you can't unless you already are familiar with that exact source, which maybe you are That's why you should be an expert to debate things Otherwise you need to go look it up. You need to read it. Otherwise, how are you gonna debate that source? Yeah, cuz a lot of these debates they link an article They found on Google as a source.

Bingo. And maybe the article is legit. Maybe it is, but maybe it's paid for by the person that you're promoting. Maybe it's actually just total bullshit and there's no truth to it at all. And Google is one of the most controlled, like controlled opposition, uh, elements of the system today. It's funded by the CIA. It is clearly, I mean, if, oh yeah, a hundred percent.

Google is one of the biggest CIA contractors there is. We think of them as just a humble little search engine, but Google is deeply tied into the intelligence state, deeply tied into the Israeli question, like deeply tied into all of these power systems in the world, and that's how they became so powerful. I mean, like our technology infrastructure is not an accident. It was grown out of money by money. technology infrastructure is not an accident. It was grown out of money by money. From Google to Apple to Microsoft is a great example with Bill Gates. Holy shit, that dude.

Straight up to our social media too. So the CIA has a lot more power than people think. Yeah, and I mean, to be clear, I use the CIA as kind of the catch-all term for all intelligence agencies because for the average person, they don't know like all the other names of like all 35, whatever. I don't even know how many intelligence agencies we have and I bet we have ones we aren't told about. I don't know, but I just say the CIA is in our intelligence state, whether it's NSA or DOD or CIA or whatever it is. And a lot of it is CIA, a lot of it is FBI, you know. And a lot of it I think that they wouldn't even be able to identify exactly who is who because that's the whole point is that it's very gray area so that it can kind of get covered up and swept under the rug.

I mean, a lot of it is done by non-government organizations like USAID, this whole USAID scandal, specifically so that when something gets found out, it's like, oh, that was just some private company making decisions on their own. Like we didn't, it's like, oh, Facebook was censoring you until Facebook shows the, you know, the records that show that actually the government was pressuring us, which should not exempt Facebook from liability for censoring Americans over facts. But it certainly also passes blame onto the government that pressured them to do so. So crazy. I remember when deep state was a conspiracy theory. I know, right?

And I, the term deep state is almost a little tired because it was so conspiratorial for so long, but it's a really like effective term for it. Um, deep politics, deep state, the unelected government, whatever you want to call it. I think now every American left and right has had enough examples of that affecting their side and their issues that I hope that Americans en masse are waking up to the fact that it's not lefts versus rights. Like, we are, that's two wings of the same bird, and both are manipulated.

And there's this growing center mass of center left and center right libertarians and rational liberals that all understand that like, yeah, we disagree on policies, but we are all on the exact same team of we're all on the bottom and outside of this club, you know, trying to, trying to free our country from these monetary influences. And our enemy is these people on top. Like, and I'm not saying our enemy is rich people.

Like we need rich people on our team. Our enemy is corrupt people, right? People that are getting rich and fat on this corrupt deep state system. That is what we need to need to take on. So I wonder if there's a fix for this. Cause I'd imagine if it's happening here, it's happening almost every government, right? Absolutely.

And that was the point I was trying to make on Rogan is that like Israel is just as vulnerable to this as every other country. Sudan is just as vulnerable as every other country. I mean, some countries are certainly more vulnerable, like the more impoverished, the more corrupt, the more histories of power struggles. Certainly you're more vulnerable to it, but like we don't live in a nationalist world anymore. Like the moment that you had steam engines and ships sailing across the world, we were globalized, and that's been going on for hundreds of years. And at this point, this whole oligarchical class of billionaires, of corporate executives,

of like intelligence operatives, all of those things are operating on a international scale. They are not tied to any one nation. And I think that's why there's so much push back against nationalism and they try to smear nationalism as like, oh, so you're a Nazi. It's like, no, that is a completely different thing. Nationalism is pride in America in this sense, or if you were French, it'd be pride in France.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Because if you don't have nationalism, you have one homogenous soup of people that have no cultural differences that have no, like diversity is only our strength if we keep it diverse and you only keep it diverse. If you keep that culture to being that culture and that culture being that culture and like, yeah, we should mingle and we should be friends, but we want British nationalism, we want American nationalism,

we want like Lebanese nationalism. And as long as it's not violent and as long as, well, sometimes it super is, but as long as it's not violent and as long as it's not, you know, harming others, it's like the golden rule applies to individuals and the golden rule applies to nations. And hopefully we are starting to wake up to the fact that like, we just need to be calling out the violence. We need to be calling out the extremists because often we're learning those extremists are actually fucking plants put there by the deep state. Like often, whether it's a political protest that there's feds inside of trying to instigate violence to discredit that movement, get people arrested.

Or whether it's entire countries like Ukraine, where there's an entire opposition party being funded and then they coup the country in 2014 when the Maidan revolution, that's funded by the CIA. We funded that overthrow. Same with Bashar al-Assad in Syria right now. It's just breaking that Syria is just like totally just Muslim extremism, murdering Christians in the streets. And Candice Owens, like last year said, Hey, if we overthrow Bashar al-Assad, he's not great, but he's been protecting the religious diversity in this country.

And if we overthrow him, we are going to see Christians massacred in the streets. And lo and behold, now we are seeing Christians massacre brutally in the streets. And that coup was on behalf of us and Israel, the Western nations interests in overthrowing that strong leader that was holding that country down. And now it's back into chaos again. Wow.

So all of this is just orchestrated. I mean, yeah, it's, I don't mean to imply that there's like six shadowy dudes around a table with the Illuminati sign in the center. That is not at all what I'm implying, but it is orchestrated in the sense that like, imagine all the giant piles of money that these various groups and people have. Like Bill Gates has his pile of money, the world economic forum and their friends have their piles of money. Blackrock has their piles of money that these various groups and people have, like Bill Gates has his pile of money, the World Economic Forum and their friends have their piles of money, BlackRock has their pile of money,

all these different people and there's governments involved in that too. And all those piles of money represent massive amounts of leverage and influence. And most of them tend to align on most things. Like most of them do not want a strong, educated, intelligent American populace. Because it doesn't benefit any of them. Most of them do not want healthy strong, educated, intelligent American populace. Right. Because it doesn't benefit any of them. Most of them do not want healthy young Americans that are fit and capable and having strong marriages and strong families. Because that doesn't benefit any of them.

It's like, so on a lot of these issues that feel like some grand conspiracy, you don't need a grand conspiracy because incentives are all aligned. Every one of them makes money if we're all fat and sick and depressed. Whether it's because they're selling us drugs or it's because they're selling us advertising, or it's because they just need us to stay the fuck out of their political process. Yeah. So they can run their show the way they want. That makes sense.

Yeah. So it's just interest alignment. Like the world is what? 8 billion people. So there's 8 billion different people at the table that are influencing the world, but most of us are just regular people that only have one person's worth of influence, and then you get the Bill Gates's of this world that represent like billions of dollars worth of interest.

Who's like, I'm going to vaccinate all of Africa with these experimental drugs that just so happened to sterilize millions of people against their consent. Or I'm going to test out remdesivir in Africa and it's going to, it killed remdesivir, the COVID drug that he pushed on us. It killed more than 50% of the people in this trials. Holy crap. It's crazy, dude. The story of Remdesivir's trials in 2019, I'm pretty

sure it was maybe 2018. It's crazy what happened in the Remdesivir trials in Africa, and I'm pretty sure they were testing it on Ebola, trying to see if it would help for Ebola. And it was so bad that they had to shut the trials down after a couple of months because it was just clearly killing people. And then it became our wonder drug for COVID

because they could make a shit load of money off of it. And because it was a treatment after you're so sick, you're in the hospital rather than a preventative that would stop them from having their emergency youth authorization. And that information is all sourced and cited in RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci. Everyone should read that book.

That is nuts. Yeah. I know he's buying up farmland. He's trying to do fake meat companies. Yeah. Bill Gates is a mad man. And, and I more and more suspect that it is not just like him being naive and just doing billionaire things.

I more and more suspect that it is some sort of, I hesitate to say agenda, but kind of an agenda. And I don't understand what it is, but it's fucking evil. It's not good. I mean, there's that wild theory of the depopulation agenda. Well, that lets, I mean, yes, because that is this eugenicist trend in science that's been, always been around. This idea that if you really get scientific enough about it, some people suck and some people rock. And if we really wanted to be really fucking evil about it,

it's true that the world would be better off with all the good people and none of the bad people. And so there's always been this problem with scientific minds, men especially, where if you get rational enough, you can justify killing off all the bad people. And so there's always been this problem with, with scientific minds, men especially, where if you get rational enough, you can justify killing off all the bad people, whether that's extermination camps or whether that's depopulation or sterilization. Eugenics has always been a problem. And Bill Gates is openly a eugenicist and he openly talks about overpopulation as this

massive problem. And when you actually look at his solutions, it basically comes down to their implementing population reduction by making it so that poor people die and rich people live. And whether that's through vaccinating poor countries and it happens to sterilize a bunch of people on accident, or whether it's through just quality of

living is so bad that poor people can't afford to have kids or poor people are killing each other in the streets or starving to death. Those kinds of things are eugenicist policies, whether intended or not, because they're killing off what they see as undesirables. Cause if you can't make it in this modern capitalist world, you're not good enough. And we're the, you know, we're the ones that understand the system. So we deserve to have 19 kids or whatever the fuck it is, 13 kids.

Um, so it really is sinister. And when you dig into history of groups, like the club of Rome, the world economic forum, they have very clear roots in straight up eugenics and a lot of their founding members and people who've been involved in those sort of globalist groups, you can find speeches of them on record, talking about how the world would be a better place if we had more desirables and shit like that. That is so wild. Cause yeah, some of the most successful people I know come from

impoverished households. Exactly, poor upbringings. Exactly. And some of the like, you never know. So I worked in teaching as a younger person, my parents were teachers. And the number one thing you learn when you actually work with young people is that you never know what kind of gifts a young person has and especially young people that come from struggle, that come from poverty, they often overcomes, like they become the strongest people, so often.

And, and if you had a system that was truly trying to elevate young people, teach them well, and to give them what they needed to thrive, we would have such a better world, but instead we have the system that intentionally does not educate young people and puts them at every disadvantage and tries to actively take them away from their parents so that the state has control over their education so that we can educate a bunch of mindless little drones that will just go along with the mask mandate, that will go along with vaccines that aren't tested because the more of that institutionalized prison-like education you give to American

kids when they're young, the more they're going to accept that institutionalized prison-like condition when they're adults. Right. Was the pandemic one of the first ones you looked into? Yeah. Well, the pandemic was what really woke me up is like, I had a lot of these tendencies in my personality before I started doing this research, but I grew up a liberal and like I grew up in Washington state, just totally not paying

attention and I didn't, I wasn't engaged with it. I just was uninformed. Yeah. And I was like out in the woods running and doing rock climbing and snowboarding and shit like I didn't care. And then the pandemic hit and it woods running and doing rock climbing and snowboarding and shit. Like I didn't care. And then the pandemic hit and it's in all of our homes and all of our faces. And they're like taking away our liberties.

And I'm like literally running multiple ultra marathons a week as a running guide, and they're telling me that I need to take an experimental medication because I can't survive what is essentially a cold. When I've already had it once and I have natural immunity, it's like the questions just did not add up. And then I'm a younger brother. And when someone starts to like, like try to control me and hold me down, it's like,

fuck you, I will fucking die over this shit. Like the more you try to take away my free speech, the more free speech I'm gonna do. The more you try to take away my liberties, the more I will rebel. And so I just didn't go anywhere. Like my whole town everywhere wanted vaccine passports. Like, fuck you. I won't give you my business.

I'll go to the gym that lets me in and I'll work out every fucking day and get bigger and stronger. I will stay at home and do research and learn and get smarter. And I'll just do that until the world opens back up. You don't fucking get my money. And I never went to any of those businesses again. The ones that required vaccine passports, fuck them. I'm not giving you my business. Yeah.

Like, sorry. I wonder if they'll attempt something like that again. Oh, certainly. I suspect it's a cyber pandemic. So the pandemic, they were warning us about the pandemic. They were running scenarios about the pandemic. There was this whole industry, if you noticed it, which most people did not, but a few smart ones did like Mickey Willis, who made the planet dynamic films.

He interviewed a lot of doctors that were starting to blow the whistle on this. That there's an industry, not only around vaccines that it's been growing for a decade or more, multiple decades, but there's actually an industry around the COVID virus itself, around the creation of coronaviruses. And that is actually like a biological weapons program

that the U.S. was funding. And that's why the bio labs weren't always in Ukraine. They used to be, we used to be doing that research here in the United States. But then eventually it got a little hot because we're not supposed to be doing that and it's obvious why. And so they moved it all to Ukraine and then to China because that way they keep it off the books. And, and so there was so much money to be made off of patents on coronavirus

technologies, not just vaccines, but actually the viruses. Um, and I'm not saying that like, I'm not saying that the whole conspiracy is true. I'm saying watch plan, Demiq two indoctrination, dig into sources for yourself, like read for yourself, think carefully, but it's just, uh, that is this world where they prepare to make money off of a crisis. And it's really easy to cloak the response to the crisis or like the preparation is like we were supposed, of course we should be preparing for pandemics and how would we know as regular citizens looking at it of like,

were you just trying to prepare for the crisis or were you getting into position to make money off the crisis? And right now they're all talking about the potential dangers of a cyber pandemic and all these things. And we're being warned, there's going to be a cyber attack and a cyber pandemic, EMPs and yeah, that's real. That's absolutely something we should be concerned about, but we should be concerned about who is actually going to fucking start it and who's actually going to make money off of

it and who stands to benefit. And in the case of if there's a cyber pandemic in the next year or two, it's pretty clear that the people that stand to benefit are the ones trying to control us because we are breaking out of all of our chains using the internet right now. And it's the internet that's allowing all of our communication. The internet is allowing all this free flow of ideas and they don't, there's no way for them to stop it. Like the way that, that just my platform has worked, like I'm a regular dude that just

wanted to get involved and now I'm ratioing Elon Musk for Israel and like starting all these fucking controversies like that is, there's no answer to that except to shut it down and then to try to do something while it's shut down. So I'm, I'm worried. And I'm not saying I know it's going to happen. I'm just, one of the things I'm most worried about is false flag attacks on America that they blame on Iran and pull us into world war three and cyber pandemics, cyber attacks, EMP attacks. And those could be the exact same thing.

You know, if they do cyber attack us, it will light, it's very likely they'll blame it on Muslim terrorists or on Russian terrorists or whatever, just so they can start a war because every fucking war they start with false flag attacks, they start with whether it's Gulf of Tonkin or nine 11, and I'm not saying that all the nine 11 conspiracies are true, but I am saying that we did not have sufficient evidence or reasoning from 9-11 to go not only to war in Afghanistan in the way we did, but especially to war in Iraq. Wow.

Like the war in Iraq is the perfect example of a manufactured conflict for totally nefarious reasons that had nothing to do with 9-11. And they actually, they realized as they were starting in Iraq war, they realized that, you know, we don't really actually have enough to link this. And then all of a sudden this anthrax scare happens because they were trying to say like they have weapons of mass destruction, they have biological weapons. And then suddenly anthrax gets mailed out to all the people in Congress, not all, but like a bunch of these guys in Congress that are against the Iraq war.

They all get all these anthrax letters and a couple of them get sick. I think one or two of them died. And then a couple of fake anthrax letters go out to people that are in support of the Iraq war, they all get all these anthrax letters and a couple of them get sick. I think one or two of them died. And then a couple of fake anthrax letters go out to people that are in support of the Iraq war. Um, well, and then when they actually tested that anthrax, anthrax is such a specific biological agent that it only is manufactured in a few places in the world. And the spores in those anthrax letters came from a CIA lab. And we didn't know that at the time, but it took a little bit of time for them to do that analysis and realize that there's literally only one lab in the world that

can make this type of anthrax and it is a CIA lab. And that was 100% a deep state operation intended to be like, look, Saddam is sending anthrax to us. He's trying to kill us and just stoke all this fear so they could convince Colin Powell to go out and tow the line so that Condoleezza Rice could go out and tow the line and say, we need to get those fucking Iraqis when they had nothing to do with it. And Iraq has been in turmoil ever since. Like we do this over and over in the Middle East.

You messed up a whole country for our. Well, for Israel's gain too, because there was a report called the clean break report written by a whole bunch of neocons and Zionists years before, even before 9 11. And they were saying that we need in order to reshape the Middle East in the interest of Israel, we need to go to war with these seven countries. And I never remember the whole list, but it was like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, I think, maybe, maybe I forget. And to this day, we have gone to war with basically every single one of them. And it was one after the other, after the other, after the other. And it was explicitly stated that this is, this is the clean break report

was explicitly stated that this is how we need to reshape the Middle East and Israel's and America's interest in order to, you know, basically control the geopolitical nature of the Middle East. Um, and 9-11 just seemed to play directly into the hands of that whole Neo-Con like agenda that was the heart of the George Bush presidency. Like not just the Richard Pearls of this world that most people have never heard of that were kind of under the administration, but like the Dick Cheneys and Donald Rumsfelds that were right at the top of that administration. That's not to mention that George Bush is from

the Skull and Bones secret society. He's the son of this long line of very sketchy motherfuckers. Like clearly that whole presidency was a carefully orchestrated, like not coup of the American government because we were already fucked, but it was that, that was not like, Oh no, a terrorist attacked our buildings. Now we'll respond by going to Afghanistan and Iraq. It was, we want to go to war with these guys over here. Oh, look, a terrorist attacked our buildings. We're going to war over there.

Right. It's so messed up because I have a lot of veterans on the show and some of them are waking up now and they were using pawns basically. It's so tragic to watch because like respect to them for fighting for their country and for serving to protect American values, but it's so sad how many of the veterans that come home later have to realize that they were lied to and that they weren't actually protecting American values.

And so I've got all the respect in the world for veterans, but man, all the condemnation I could ever level against the politicians and corrupt oligarchical class that are manipulating these conflicts for their financial gain. I always come back to the phrase, all wars are bankers wars. And the more you learn about history, the more that is true over and over

and over with every war that you could possibly research. Yeah. I've heard back in the day, um, certain banks would fund both sides, right? Oh, absolutely. Still to this day, we, we fund both sides 100%. And, and like, and sometimes that's funding both sides. I mean, like, for example, all these wars against terrorists, we fucking founded those terrorists. We funded those terrorists, like we founded the Mujahideen,

which later morphed into Al-Qaeda. The Taliban, we've been funding the Taliban. Like ISIS, we funded ISIS. All of those things, we built them up. And we built them up as rebel groups to fight against communism, or rebel groups to fight against that evil guy, or that evil guy.

And then we fund them until it's like, Oh, we need an enemy. They're the enemy now that they're, they become the scapegoat to take us to war. And that's true now with these terrorist groups, but it was true all the way back in the day and like the Vietnam conflicts, the Korea conflicts, like, especially in the world war II, it's like a whole wild rabbit hole, like the world war II one is going to break open in a huge way, I think in the next year, because yeah, there's like all this Holocaust questioning that people get into, which I don't really give a shit to get into. Um, because it's just so muddied and convoluted and there's so much hatred

around it and like, certainly the Holocaust did happen, like certainly it was atrocious and it was fucking evil and it's well documented, not just in ways that you can disprove, but, but like to avoid that, we funded the German miracle. Like after world war one, the treaty of Versailles was designed to destroy the German economy. It was designed to after world war one, make Germany pay like trillions of marks of reparations. They could have never paid off.

And that turned into this Weimar Republic that just cratered all of Germany and destroyed their economy. And then Western industrialists from around the world came in and bought it up for pennies on the dollar and rebuilt Germany. Germany didn't just like magically invent money that just suddenly came out of nowhere. Money flowed in from investors. And that's why when World War II started, like our CIA, Alan Dulles,

the founder of the CIA, he was a lawyer at this company that represented all these other companies, like IG Farben, the company that was manufacturing the Zyklon B. He was, he worked for them. Like he was friends with all of them. American industrialists helped build that German economy. Like I haven't been able to like source it a hundred percent yet, but there's lots of evidence and accusations that American and Western corporations helped to maintain and run the concentration camps.

Like, that's crazy. Yeah. And like, that's a very complicated one because there's so much propaganda around it. But like there, there is evidence out there that is starting to be dug up. And, and I'm certainly not saying that the Nazis were good.

I'm not saying Hitler was a good guy. He was a fucking psychopath. Um, especially by the end of the war and all that meth. But it's not as simple as like we're the good guys and they're the bad guys. It's like the are mostly normal people tend to be the good guys unless they get Psyop by a crazy political class that turns them into fucking bloodthirsty monsters. Which you can see several examples of now around the world and in the past around the world. And I certainly would include Muslim extremists in those categories.

They can get fucking crazy and horrible, but like it's the rich motherfuckers on top that are funding all of these conflicts and making money and investments into everything, like first fund the conflict that destroys something, then fund the rebuilding and you're making money on every single piece of these systems, not to mention the inflation that comes out of printing all this money. It's just, it's such a scandal. It's so, I mean, it can be a real black bill if you, if you forget about all the good in this world.

Well, a lot of people in history class growing up were taught about the war. So they're so programmed to think it was good versus evil. Bingo. The more you, the more you learn about like what's really going on out here, the more you realize that everything in mainstream public education is essentially paid programming because who publishes those books? I'm not going to say it. Y'all can look it up.

Like who writes those history, who funds the historians, who funds the colleges where the historians are getting their degrees, and it's a very complex system. I'm not saying it's as simple as like, I paid you to tell them all lies. It's like, it's a complex network of censorship and of grant funding and knowing like, I'm not going to get my study funded if it, if I don't, you know, support this donor's interest or whatever it is, there's a super complex, but we're seeing it more and more like COVID is such a great example because it exposed so many people to how you can purchase science and how you can purchase mainstream

education, you can purchase the Ivy League institutions. And we saw that they have over the last many, many decades. And when you start to realize that that is not just about science in the vaccine field or in the medical fields, but it's about science in the history fields, it's about science in all these other fields. Um, and it's really like the veil is coming down. And so it feels like the world is so shitty right now, cause we're learning all these things.

But I would argue that that's the step towards the light is first you shine the light on all the evil that was already going on our whole lives. Like when I was born, our president had come to power by helping smuggle drugs at the ran contra situation. You'd been smuggling cocaine through me and Arkansas. And then he was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, raping kids on an Island allegedly. Um, and so like, it seemed hunky dory.

It's like the nineties, everything's great. No one even realizes. So fucking good. Like bill Clinton rocks, whatever. Um, but then you shine a light back on it. You're like, Oh fuck, that's super dark. Yeah. But that's how we expose it and get to a better world.

Yeah. Cause Epstein was the guy back in the day. Yeah. Every one. Yeah. And it's pretty crazy. So like we just got a new prime minister of Canada up North, who's like a fucking ultra Uber banker, super sketchy technocratic banker, just appointed him like two days ago, and then it comes out, there's a photo of him hanging

out with Ghislaine Maxwell. Wow. It's like, God damn it. Every single time. I thought Justin resigned. Is he still? Yeah, he resigned. I don't know what the, I don't know how fucking Canadian politics work.

He resigned a long time ago and it's like pending finding a suitable replacement. And so they have found a suitable replacement and that suitable replacement just so happens to have managed the bank of Canada, if I remember correctly, during the 08 financial collapse, like after it. And then he became the, uh, top seat at the bank of England, which is like, that's fucking sketchy. He's in this, he's in this thing called the group of 30, the G 30, which is essentially a group of 30 of the most powerful financial overlords of our world

that get together and have, I'm sure really great conversations about how to make the world better for all our regular people. No Soros is not, but I'm sure he's friends with all of them. It's like, it's like people that are at the top of like the bank of international settlements and the bank of England and our federal reserve. It's like literally the banker elite. look up group of 30, read their Wikipedia page and then go look for other articles. It's fucking crazy.

Um, yeah. And so he's this guy that just got put in, in Canada, just north of us. And he's been openly against Trump. He's openly pushing for, we need to have, what was it called? He called it, uh, global hedge. He's like, we need to replace the US dollar supremacy around the world with this, a new digital currency. And the term they use on his Wikipedia page that I haven't had time to dig into

yet is something like a global hegemonic currency, a digital hegemonic. They literally use the word hegemonic, which is like hegemony is, I mean, it's, it's a complicated word and I don't actually like have a really great definition, but hegemony is like when your overlords rule you, it's like when the, the, the rich and powerful rule over everything. It's not, it's not good. Um, it's a very weird choice of words to, uh, to use. So it's not looking better.

No, no, no. Can't, I mean, it's really looking like he's, he's getting put, I mean, I hate to get optimistic about Trump because he's been fucking up so much, but it kind of looks like they're putting in a guy who's super competent and liberal and evil in Canada to kind of try to fight back against Trump and to fight Trump's like economic policies and the terror of war. And hopefully like, because we're about to have a dollar collapse. Our economy is about to completely explode. Oh yeah, it's been, I mean, the dollar has, whether it happens this year or in four years

or in eight years, it's coming. We are at the end of the dollar cycle and every economist knows that everyone has been talking about it. And the account, like the stock market is at this crazy fucking bubble of fake made up like Nvidia value right now that is not real. Tesla's been cracked.

It's crazy. And it could crash at any moment and they have the power to pop that bubble. All these, like during COVID, they printed what, like a quarter to two thirds, a third of all the dollars that are in circulation. I forget the stat. All that money, they got it during COVID and they like, they can just, they didn't just put it into us and they invested it into all these companies. That's why Nvidia stock went fucking crazy. That's why NVIDIA stock went fucking crazy.

That's why all these stocks bubbled up during COVID like that. And they have the ability to pull that out and to pop it anytime. And so it really is looking like we're prepared. They are preparing. We're fucked in that regard. They're preparing to hopefully, I think in their eyes is you've got this bubble and you're ready to pop it. You're ready to crash the economy.

And suddenly here's the solution. We've got these brand new digital currencies, central bank digital currencies that have solved all the problems. We'll fix all the debt. And that is like the road straight to technocratic servitude. Like that's the road straight to hell. If we accept a centralized digital currency where they can turn it off. If you say the wrong things, they can take your bank accounts.

They can limit what you can buy. They can say like, if that's the road that leads to, oh, I'm sorry, you're only allowed to drive five miles today because your, your words on that podcast the other day were not sufficiently in line with government government policy. Like that is literally how China does it. Canada is already talking about things that are very reminiscent of that. They did that to the truckers, despite it being actual banking infrastructure that they took down.

Like we are in a, we are in a fight for control of our own lives. And we need people to wake up to the fact that like the world is happening all around us, like whether you like it or not, it's all going on. And, and whether you think that, like, whether you care about how the rest of the world works or not, there are enough extremely rich and powerful people in this world that think they're going to like, think they are gods, I think they can fucking know better for everyone that they're doing things like manufacturing coronaviruses and laboratories that just don't happen to get out.

They're doing things like mandating. You take experimental vaccines that they have no things like manufacturing coronaviruses in laboratories that just don't happen to get out. They're doing things like mandating you take experimental vaccines that they have no data. Well, they have bad data on that shows it's not safe, and then they're fucking tricking you and lying to you through their teeth to tell you to take it, which can, you know, harm your children, harm yourself, harm your family members.

So like we are past the point of people being able to sit back and be like, it doesn't affect me, it fucking affects all of us. And if we don't do something about it, if we don't like get educated about it and stand up, our kids are not going to be living in the same world that we are. That's scary. Yeah. We are living in a black mirror episode. Oh yeah.

And robots are just getting started. Like our children are going to have to make the choice. Do I want a girlfriend or do I want a lifelike sex robot that can fulfill my every need and be anything I want it to be and can actually change its skin to be different looks at any time. And that choice is going to decimate young people. If we don't start strengthening young people against it, if we don't start educating about religion and faith, start educating about family values,

start rebuilding our culture around like just basic humanity, because you can already see how porn is ravaging our generations. And it's not a simple question because like loneliness sucks and like the world is hard and people are disconnected. And a lot of these things actively prey on whether it's like the drugs in our food that get us addicted to food, or whether it's the drugs in our screens that get us addicted to our screens. Like all of these things are, they're designed to make money off of us and they're designed

to exploit our weaknesses. And so I totally have sympathy for everyone that falls into all these traps. I understand it. I mean, I fall into lots of traps too, but it's, I think as a culture, we really got to start talking about how do we strengthen ourselves and our families and our communities sympathy for everyone that falls into all these traps. I understand it. I mean, I fall into lots of traps too, but it's, I think as a culture, we really got to start talking about how do we strengthen ourselves and our families and our communities?

Because a lot of the choices that our children are going to have to make, we can't even begin to understand, like, do you want a brain chip or not? Right. How do you even like approach that question? Like, yeah, the benefits are going to be amazing until you say the wrong thing. And then shut you off. Yeah.

Fucking whatever it is. I don't know. I don't trust these self-driving cars to be honest. Dude, I get sketched out by them, but there it's a perfect example. Check this out. Self-driving cars are obviously getting to the point where give them 10 years. They're never going to crash. They will not crash once.

And it will be so easy for politicians to explain. We're outlawing humans driving cars because last year in 2029, 500,000 people died from car crashes. Yeah. Every single one of those car crashes, the car was piloted by human self driving cars didn't cause a single crash. They avoided crashes. So in the interest of safety, we're going to outlaw humans driving cars. Would we accept that policy?

Because obviously it's true. And we know it's going to be true that we would be except that it would be safer if robots were driving all of our cars, but do you sacrifice sovereignty for safety, because if you do, where does that end, right? Because we would be safer if you stayed in that fucking bubble and got fed through a tube and they just put you in a nice video game your whole life. And you never even opened your eyes into the real world. and suddenly you live in the matrix because it is safer. And so it sounds retarded and it sounds dystopian, but like we are literally

confronting those exact dystopian questions as we go. And I would urge every American to realize that you do not want safety over sovereignty, you do not want comfort over fulfillment. You do not want these solutions that sound so nice when they take away what it means to be a human at the most basic level. Right. Right. It means risk is a part of being a human, like, you know, experiencing love

and joy and passion and all these things, that's part of being human. And so like, no, I would not take a sex robot that is perfect in every way. Because I want the whole human experience, not some fucking fake ass made up bullshit that can play to all of my weakest parts. And basically just put me into this like infinite addiction to ease and simplicity and pleasure. So I feel like- A little soulless. Exactly. I mean, it is, that's the definition of soulless.

Did you see that movie with Megan Fox and the AI robot? No, I avoid anything that Megan Fox touches like the plague, but she's a great one to play an AI robot. I mean, does she have three trans kids in the movie too? Because holy shit, that's messed up. I bet you don't watch any modern Hollywood films. I avoid most of them. I watch some of the ones that like... Like when I watch film and TV, it's always so that I can use it as a vessel

to get my mind thinking about how the world really works. So I'm not really thinking about the movie as much as I am thinking about. Like my own research and shit and using it as like a creative way to kind of rearrange ideas, thinking about the program and going on in a little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. It's fun.

I do. I've rewatched the series called blacklist like three times blacklistlist is written and directed by a guy named Boz, who is a expert on human trafficking. He's an ex CIA guy that goes after human trafficking. And he, that show is like his magnum opus of like, what if like the criminal world, like, what if I told the story of the criminal world from being a guy that fights it and was like, Oh, I understand why I love this show so much. It's a fun show.

It was super cool. Yeah. And it's been really fun, man. I can't wait to see what you do next. Where can people find you? Um, if I'm on X at Ian Carroll show, and I'm just launching a new website with a new partner that is going to help me actually not be like a poor retarded solo guy, uh, actually professionalized.

It's a cancel Ian Carroll.com. Um, which is very timely as I've just been canceled. And so that's where for now, there's just a couple of quick shirts and products on there, but there's, we'll have resource and updates on it. Cancelingcarol.com too. I showed first in Boston is your event, right? No, my event got canceled because of what I did on the Joe Rogan experience. Cause of what I said, who knows why they started getting all kinds of threats.

I put out a video about it the other day. It was a real, real bummer, but ultimately like, I don't blame the family of the venue had to cancel and I do not blame them at all. Like totally not their responsibility to deal with hate and harassment. And so we have postponed and we're actually like the flood of support was overwhelming. And I got, I spent all day on the phone yesterday with people just like fighting for like, Ian, we've got a venue for you.

No one wants you to do it here. No, we want you to do it here. And I've got like three different meetings scheduled this week. And I'm so stoked because we're going to do it even bigger and even better. And I'm like, and realistically it was a huge blessing in disguise.

So it's not June 1st, but the website is still up bottomupboston.com and we'll eventually be redirecting that to the new website when we change locations from Boston, but it's going to be sick. We're probably going to bring it to Austin. Wow. Is what I love. I'll be there, man. Thanks for helping out.

See you next time guys.