Digital Social Hour - Uncovering the Dark Side of the Music Industry with Charleston White | Digital Social Hour #75

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Hey there, podcast listeners! I've got an episode that's going to blow your mind. In this latest installment of our podcast, we have the incredible Charleston White joining us on the Digital Social Hour. Let me tell you, this conversation is wild from start to finish! From the moment Charleston reveals that people mistake him for an FBI agent to his experiences dealing with online threats, this episode is filled with intense moments. But it's not all just drama - Charleston dives deep into important topics like the impact of gang culture in the black community and the damaging messaging in hip hop. Charleston doesn't hold back his opinions either. He takes aim at rappers and calls out the glorification of crime in music. He questions why we celebrate individuals involved in criminal activities instead of supporting the victims' families. It's a thought-provoking discussion that challenges the status quo. But it's not all heavy topics. Charleston also shares personal stories, like his encounters with rap artists and his experience as a comedian on a nationwide tour. You'll be on the edge of your seat as he drops surprise after surprise. So what are you waiting for? Don't miss out on this eye-opening episode. Tune in now to join us on the Digital Social Hour with Charleston White. Trust me, you won't want to miss a minute of this incredible conversation. Hit that play button and prepare to have your mind blown! BUSINESS INQUIRIES: [e-mail] APPLY TO BE ON THE POD: https://forms.gle/qXvENTeurx7Xn8Ci9 SPONSORS: AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Learn more and subscribe today over at LorePodcast.com. folklore, ghost tales, and local legends that deliver the chills you're looking for. Learn more and subscribe today over at lorepodcast.com. Yeah, you see that a lot. Do you not like Asians? I don't like Asian. And that's where all this come from. You don't like the Asian? They don't mind calling me a n***a. Oh, okay. And I can't call them a racist name. Okay. You ain't no n***a.

But you gonna talk to me like me. Y'all mad. I'm a n***a. And I feel like, man, how y'all... So you wasn't mad at all Asians. I don't know all Asians. I'm mad at Asians. I'm good, guys.

So, so, so... I don't know why I'm mad. I'm mad at Asia. I'm good, guys. Welcome to the Digital Social Hour. I'm your host, Sean Kelly. Here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis. What up, what up? And our guest today, Charleston White. What's up with it, man? Professional. Yeah, I thought I was being kidnapped and attacked last time, so I ran out. Ran out the parking lot, but I was in the wrong place, so I'm glad to be in the right place today.

I would never set you up, man. I got you. Yeah, I didn't know. You get all kind of warnings. You got a security with him. Yo, he roll with security, y'all. Yeah, yeah. Y'all know right now. He hostile. Ain't sweet. And so, you know, everybody tell me, man, when you go to the West Coast, they're going to get you.

Don't go to L.A. Don't go to Vegas. I mean, but you got to understand why, though. I do. You done talked a lot about Nip. I do. And did all that. I do.

I've actually had some people try to get me to uh uh you know sit down uh with nip brother but he ain't happy he don't want to have it and i understand uh but but for the most part those who understand the the message uh in the in the unorthodox way that i'm trying to relay it yeah they also get it too right uh because it i didn't get it until i went to nip's funeral you know i'm saying because prior to nip's issue uh most people really didn't know much about him other than his music his music and then that was his fans who loved his music right outside of his fans we had very little knowledge uh in depth of who he was as a man. And so I went to the funeral saying, man, well, who is this guy? Why is everybody in my city, in my state celebrating?

So when I went to try to find out who Nipsey Hussle was, I found out about a guy by the name of Earmus. And so throughout that whole funeral, 90% to 95% of what I heard was a guy by the name of Earmus. So I walked away with a whole different perspective. Yeah. So have you ever apologized? Yeah, I came out of character and made it known that I've never spoke ill and will of the man. And I want to uplift the name Earmus.

If we stay stuck on Nip, then Nip will never go in the history books. He'll stay attached to the hip-hop culture. I've met people from his country and from his land. They honor his name because his name has a meaning. So are you apologizing?

Is this an apology? For the first time? Wait, what does his name mean? It means of god right yeah or uh something that'll have to do with god so he's a retrain yeah etrian um from the nationality from from that country so uh that that that those people have have a lot of pride right uh in who he is and what he represented outside of rap and rolling 60s uh if we get stuck on nip we get stuck on the 60s right because nip overall was ultimately rolling 60s but you but you're basically saying uh nip didn't define actual character he wasn't

it was a character but you actually learned about the personality so himself. He read about astrology. He was super smart. But we don't know that. So that's why he was able to deliver the type of message he was giving in his lyrics. And even his community would. So after the funeral, I met

I went to the funeral with the 60s. So I rode back in the sprinter van with the 60s. So I rode back in the sprinter van with the 60s. So I got to meet the founders and the leaders and some of the ones who started that game. And one in particular was a guy by the name of Syke, Raymond Washington's best friend. He was the godfather of Raymond Washington's daughter Ray Ray so he gave me

a ride back back to where I was staying in LA so I was standing in in the Denver lane off of Imperial in Vermont that's where I was standing at the time when I had moved back to Texas and came back to the funeral so he had told me a story in a scenario about when when when Earmus was 12 years old before he got into the game and he asked one of the big homies big homie why you gang bang and he said that he gang bang he told nip that he gang banged because he was born to it and he said this 11 12 year old kid named earmiss uh who grew up to beat nipsey said big homie when i grew up i'm going gonna take care of the hood and that was 11 and 12 year old kid who grew up and took care of the hood so i got to learn something different outside his music after that

i started listening to his music right you see i'm saying so uh i got to learn him backwards so in in your case you're basically saying that it's easy to say the character not the man you were misunderstood oh well i'm trying i'm trying to but are you do you feel like you're commonly misunderstood oh yeah oh well well let me just stick to this yeah imagery is is what controls us in the culture now whether it's a gangster image and so uh nip didn't have a gangster image, but what he was associated with and how he died represents gangsterism, right? But if we uplive him as a man, homie, the man is what was able for him to bring the Mexicans,

the blacks, the Crips, the blue, all of that came together, homie, after the funeral in their neighborhood. Yeah, so it wasn't a gangster nip that did it it was the man so I'm saying okay homie at some point we can say C-Nut that was my little gang name because it's the character

we can say the rapper and not the man the man is who we want to associate with and not the rapper and what's happening now we're getting stuck on the rapper and not the man. I got you. The man is who we want to associate with and not the rapper. And what's happening now, we're getting stuck on the rapper and we never get to know who he is

as a man, as a father, as a son. And ultimately, we boxed them in to never be able to come out their character. So they got to stay gangster all the time. And so I was trying to attack the character and the image that's portrayed into the culture. Not so I was trying to attack the character and the image that portrayed into the culture. Not the actual person.

Not the actual person itself. It was risky because. Well, why not just say that versus allowing it to just kind of linger and get so much backlash. Because it takes away from the power of it. Anytime you come out and explain it, explain what you're doing, that's a sign of weakness. Let it be effective. No, because sometimes you have to explain so people can have a better understanding

of how they articulate the stuff that you're saying. It's not for everybody to understand. Those who understand it, understood it already. Yeah, but most people don't. But I'm not for everybody. What, the majority? Well, I'm not trying to say the word. I only have, my words are for those that hear.

And those that have ears will hear. Everybody's not going to hear. Everybody's just blind, period. They're not going to get it no matter what. I'm only here for those that can use it. You can't please everybody. That's where I'm at with it. So it's like when an author writes a book.

He cannot write a book with the listeners in mind he just got to write the book according to how you want to tell the story whoever don't get it just don't get it so why do you feel like most of the culture or rap industry like beef with you or they don't like you oh well it's because of your delivery well i i hadn't seen it homie because everywhere i meet the rappers uh i get love wow backstage from kevin gates uh home i get love uh so is it just an online thing it's just an online thing so they don't like you online but in person it's what's up yeah yeah it's respect yeah so what what what person hates you online but loves you in person i've never i've never had no nobody directly other other than those who love gangbanger other other than those who support black people other than that i don't have no problem with nothing in life uh i only

hire security when i'm on the road uh so so so the who are with me can have a peace of mind. But I flew here by myself. I fly around the country mostly by myself. It's only online that the backlash is because you got my analytical data is from 18 down

to 65 up. That's a wide range. You got kids on there trolling. But in person, I get all the love yeah yeah so uh it's it's uh the internet is confusing deceptive and misleading yeah it'll make you think the world hates people when they really don't have it'll make you think it loves people when they really don't love nobody uh It's just likes and shares. So I figured out how to play on the internet because most people on the internet to me are dumb and stupid.

That's why you don't see business people and intellectual people on the internet commenting, liking, and sharing. So I play on the fact that these are the most uninformed people. So you're like the ultimate troll. Yeah.

I wake up and I get off to it. I get off to it. I ain't even got to get a like or a share. It's just 10% of the troll. So the thing with you and Whack 100, what was that? Is that real? Yeah, that's real.

So y'all don't... I hate Whack 100 with every fiber and bean of my body. Yeah, yeah, I hate everything about Whack 100. I hate the way he look. I think he's a horribly ugly man. I think he's probably the most cowardice guy in the industry because he hides behind on power. At some point as a man, my word just got to be my word it ain't no power

it's not enforced by on god i ain't got to swear on nothing uh i just said it because i'm a man because at the end of the day a man is only as good as his word right so when i listen to whack 100 i say what what does he bring uh on clubhouse everyday argument so i made a statement one time and just i got his attention that uh i do a lot of research homie and and so when you look at uh some of the research on on these rappers uh homie they got some allegations in in court cases on them uh that says yeah they may be good rappers but they're not good men. They're not good people. And the game is in particular,

he's lost some publishing rights for some he done done to some kids or a girl that was supposed to be under age. Those are court documents and court cases on there. The game? The game, you can Google it right now. Wow. So when I said that, uh whack 100 tried to attack

me and then he lied and said i was a preacher let me just say this man uh a pastor yeah a pastor like a man yeah man that had been in prison for 30 years who let the be in prison for 30 years and come pastor a church what congregation he he going to have? So, he just be saying some shit, homie. Oh, then one minute, I got, he got paperwork on me.

At this point. Well, is there paperwork out there? Let me just say that. You work directly with the police? No. Let me just say this, homie. They got,

they done showed y'all paperwork on body. Yeah, there is. They got documents on Tupac. So, let me just say this. At some, at this point, wouldn't theyall paperwork on body yeah there is they've got documents on two pot so let me just send it as some at this point wouldn't they have paperwork on me wouldn't it be a saying look right here this charleston man out of disrespect and said something everything if i was a punk wouldn't a punk been told say this wouldn't hey listen me and him if i was buying crack the sell me n***a,

the n***a that answer the door go say, hey, you know he be coming over here. Or the n***a who sell me the n***a go tell his girl, man, n***a gonna be smoking that n***a. She go go to the beauty shop and say it. If a n***a was sticking a deal door in my... At this point where I'm at, won't nobody hold my secrets. That's a fact, that's a fact.

Come on, man. So you've never snitched on nobody? Listen to me, homie. Why hadn't nobody even showed my arrest record think about this nobody had even pulled up my arrest record to show what i've been arrested for but they showing mug shots why won't nobody even show my arrest record home i ain't been in trouble with the law i caught a case as a kid in 1991 at the age of 14, I went into a juvenile system. So you f***ed somebody.

I ain't f***ed nobody. I went in at 14. I came out at 21. So why did they keep you that long if you didn't do nothing? Because f***ed. So you f***ed them. I didn't f*** nobody. Listen, if me and you, if all three of us going somewhere and f***ed somebody, when we come out together, we f***ed somebody according to the law.

I got you. No, I ain't no a law say y'all done this if one person going and rob and come out and get in the car and we drive off y'all robbed right but but but let's look at this when when one in the gang kill somebody don't the whole gang claim that we like they done this yeah everybody yeah we slid on them so come on now so take responsibility when the law come that's what you be saying no that ain't what i've been saying that's that's that's that's what that's what happened homie if you participate in something you're just as guilty yeah yeah yeah and in texas they don't have no accomplishments they don't you

don't ain't no accessories all y'all did in Texas. Everybody chowed with capital That was there. Everybody that knows, if you're there before the crime and you go and you're there after the crime, you done committed that crime. So I got out at 21. My record was

sealed. I don't have no felony convictions. My juvenile record was sealed. So there's no felony convictions my juvenile record was sealed so there's no history of this crime being committed so so when you say paperwork i get out at 21 i haven't been in no trouble as an actor little weed case here a little pistol case here oh yeah so so you don't work with the police at all You're not a paid informant or anything like that? No. I wish I could be. I swear to God, I wish I could be.

So those rumors and speculations, those aren't true? No, man. They say I'm an FBI agent. Yeah, you see that a lot. Yeah. Well, most niggas who are FBI agents are confidential informants so if I was an FBI agent and I worked with the police

how good could I be being identified as working with the police how good can a police be hey y'all he the police how can I get anybody well because you brag about getting people locked up. Oh, well, I brag about getting people locked up as a law-abiding citizen who's being threatened by gangsters online.

So you're basically like, it's me, you. No, it's not me, you. If you threaten me, why would it not you? You threaten me. Right. I don't know you. Why are you online threatening me because I'm talking? Why are you online threatening me, asking for my location, wanting to harm me?

I don't know you. You don't know me. You know what I look like. I don't know what you look like, but you typing threats. Why wouldn't I say hey this guy's threatening me I'm a law-abiding citizen if you think I'm the police why are you threatening me so if I'm rid of the police why are all these guys threatening me why are all these guys making videos about if they really believe I'm the police well boosie said he stayed away from me like oh

well if i'm really the police why even talk about it why even say i'm staying away from it if they really believe i'm the police think about that so that's what i'm trying to teach kids homie these the rappers you're talking about because why would they if they really think i'm the police why would they bring my name up why would they even why would they even come toward me i don't put the police so we turn away from the police if i don't watch gay and i'm not watching gay it's just so if you don't with the police why are you online watching it you don't with the police so if they really believe i'm the police. Why are you online watching it? You don't f*** with the police. So if they really believe I'm the police, how can I have a billion views on TikTok?

I'm surpassing me and Say Cheese TV alone when they got a billion views. So they really think I'm the police. How can I garner this much attention? They can't believe I'm the police. That's just the narrative that motherfuckers hide behind in this culture because everybody's playing street. If I'm not a street person, why do I give a fuck about a snitch or the police? Why do I give a fuck about snitching if I'm not a street person?

I go to work every day. Why wouldn't I like a snitch? If a mother break in my house, I want somebody. Hey, who saw this mother go in my house? I'm about to tell. When my mama gets shot and killed i want somebody to tell so you mean to tell me don't want nobody to tell at all it don't make no sense right yeah it doesn't you mean to tell don't believe the police is good in no situation right come on man we got to we got to kill that yeah So that's what I showed up to do. I showed up to be the Robin Hood for good, a law-abiding citizen. Neighborhood crime watching.

Kids, tell. Tell if you see something in school. Yeah, man. It's all right to tell. If four motherfuckers riding in a car and you can't fight and you scared to go to jail, tell. Tell to get out of jail. Stop wasting jail tell tell to get out of jail stop wasting money tell to get out of jail it's a new day it's a new day oh man tell to get out of jail yeah that's my motto put that on a shirt yeah get out of jail yeah okay do you think any of these rappers are snitching or their informants yeah i think a lot of them really oh can you can you name a few uh

i think all of them oh yeah i think all of them all of them because for one they're snitching in their lyrics that's the fact yeah that's the number one fact but sometimes there's no buts but lyrics are lyrics to me. No, no, no, no. Lyrics aren't lyrics. Lyrics used to be lyrics when we had studio gangsters. Eazy-E and Ice Cube, them, was studio gangsters. Those was lyrics.

Tupac was the first one to start trying to live it out, the lyrics, with the hit-em-up. That's when they start. When Tupac started going with the hit-em-up and going, that's when they start when they when Tupac started going with the hit em up and going that's when they start living that that's when they start trying to really live according to what they were saying prior to that it was studio gangsters that's why Tupac them were shaming MC Hammer for being a pop culture right so now we making rappers have to live up to their lyrics now these niggas is rapping real shit because if they were just rapping lyrics

we wouldn't have never knew about Smoke and Tuca is that what you feel about Dirk you feel like that Dirk says is real we wouldn't have never knew about Smoke and Tuca if it wasn't real the FBI would have never been able to saw FBG Dirk's shit if they wasn't real lyrics

if they wasn't real lyrics. So they're snitching on themselves. If they wasn't real lyrics, then we wouldn't know about something that King Von was s*** about and what he was talking about. He made a whole song about s*** somebody he s***. Five of the witnesses came up dead in his s*** cases. That's the only way he got out of jail.

The one kid that's fighting the case right now. I talked to one of the victim's aunts years's fighting the case right now. Come on, homie. Y-W-N-O-B-O. I talked to one of the victim's aunts, homie, years prior to the case. Do you think he's guilty? I know he's guilty. Science says he's guilty. Science?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, because they're definitely pulling off some s**t. Yeah, science says he's guilty. Logic and reason says he's guilty. Two of your friends show up dead, and you don't have no explanation. You can't get no identification, nothing. And you a shooter. You a.

How you saying your lyric? You don't see nothing. And don't nobody come up dead for it? Yeah, nah, homie. I'm part of the culture. I'm from homie. I'm part of the culture. I'm from the culture. I once lived in the culture. I once submerged myself

in this culture and believed in my heart that what they said in those lyrics is what we should live by as if it was biblical terms. Yeah, I was a kid that was in...

I used to live by those words only to realize we was tricked. We're being tricked, homie. Played on with them rap lyrics. Listening and believing. From the way we get high and do, we don't know what to use until them start telling us.

We didn't know shit about Percocets until they started rapping about it. We didn't know what this opioid was until they introduced us to it. Now they got us on fentanyl all right codec codec black said i knew the they got the babies on it because we grown we we have logic and reason we have a developed brain but we're not listening to this with an undeveloped brain our babies are me and you ain't shooting right now the babies are

when me and you were growing up 10 and 12 year old wasn't drilling they 10 and 12 year old now they don't they're on the fentanyl they popping the pill even though i know it's fake i still i still ate it they they the gremlins now wow so they telling us what how can we ignore it so i can't ignore it i've been working with kids for too long. So what I did, I came and holed up a mirror to the court. F*** you, bitch ass. F*** you, suck my d***. F*** you, crack. So that's how they talk to one another.

And if you don't talk like that, then nobody listen to you. Wow. So you think the messaging in hip-hop is damaging? Yeah, very damaging. No, it is. It's programming. It's programming. It's almost propaganda like the Germans use.

It's the same propaganda that Hitler used to create this fear and this hatred toward the Jews. It's almost the exact same thing in the cartoons and the messaging, except we're doing it to one another. We can't blame the the music industry right because they don't write the lyrics they don't they don't do you feel like they're pushing homosexuality on kids too uh yeah i i think i think i think children are being fed what adults are fed uh there was a time in this country when everybody knew on Saturday mornings that there would be no advertising played during the commercial times when children were watching TV. The minds and the ears and the eyes of children were off limits to advertisers. Now,

because of social media and technology, advertisers have full access to our children's minds. Television have full access to their souls, their minds, their will, and their emotions. We can't censor what our kids see anymore. So I don't think they're just pushing homosexuality. I just think they're pushing adult reality, life off on children, and leaving it for them to have to process and filter everything. Or to the adults. And because if you're poor, it's hard to filter what your children see. Wow.

Yeah. That's deep. Yeah, their innocence is being taken away at a young age. Yeah, yeah. As early as they can start to understand, stop, don't, yes, and no. Because what's one of the first things we give a child once they start walking and stop sticking their a** in the plug?

We give them a phone to look at. Yeah. And they start hitting the phone, hitting the phone, hitting the phone. Well, it's convenient for a single mother because it keeps the kid busy. It keeps them out of trouble. It keeps us more time for us to look at our phones. When they get

through looking at the phone, what do they pick up? A f***ing joystick. Now they on the game. So they never and from what I see, they're interacting with adults on the phone and then you look up they got them goddamn headphones on arguing with another grown shooting bullets on the call of duty across the world

uh so i heard tk kirkland say this morning uh social media have now allowed children to sit at the table with adults and have a conversation. That's why the respect is going as far as the authority goes. They talk back to the teachers, police officers. Because they'll get online with me believing I'm a 53, 60 year old man and insult it out of me. Say some of the most horrible things. I'm like, man, you think I'm

old? And they say they'll kick your ass. You think I'm old? And you'll kick your ass. So that means you'll kick your uncle's ass. That means if you catch the drunk uncle at the family reunion talking, you'll kick his ass even though you know he's 60-something years old. So that's the generation of young guys we got today. The old dope fiend in the neighborhood, you give him a pass. The old drunk on the corner saying,

I'll fuck you up even if he swing at you. You give him a pass. He's old on the corner says, fuck you, I'll fuck you up. Even if he's swinging at you, you give him a pass. He's old, man. Come on, homie. The old woman coming, you give passes. This is the generation, they ain't giving passes to nobody.

So, at some point, we have to define what's right and what's wrong to this new era and new generation. We think it's okay.

Because we say, you don't, but the culture do. Because if we didn't, we wouldn't say free the c**k up. If we didn't think c**k up was okay, there would be no way King Von would have a mural in Chicago when there's documentation from the government and state and local authorities that killed over five or six people so if he was still alive he'd have been in jail anyway this is what i'm saying he has a mural and this culture celebrates him our children love him those are seeds who think and it's okay and nobody in this culture have ever came out and denounced and spoke out against him.

You have celebrities who go take pictures alongside of that mural, play basketball with the kids. So I'm saying, come on, homie, we embrace in this. So, so I once,

I once put together an event with Tuka's mother, FBG Duck's mother, and I called the event, change me. So I got Tuka's mother, FBG Duck's mother. I got Lil Snoop's mother. Man, who else's mom was there? And Mothri's mom. Also, I got a criminal court judge who oversees all the juvenile murder cases in Tarrant County.

Then I got the head prosecutor of the Homicide Division of Dallas County who oversees all the young cases. And I got them on stage. And then I went and got four guys who committed when they was children. And I wanted to recreate what a trial would look like in the form of a town hall meeting and I called change me and and I posed the question uh for the panelists what does look like today in the black community so I want to hear what the prosecutor says it looked like what the judge says it looked like what these mothers who have buried their kids says look like

and then what they say it looked like after they done done who have buried their kids said it looked like, and then what the people have said it looked like after they done done time, and now they reform, right? So the question is, what does it look like in a black community when every time a n***a get c***, you got his people saying free my n***a, free the n***a, free wife. No, he done

c*** somebody. Bootsy, going to this trial, on the other side, you got the victim's family saying long live my family. Where do we stand at? You know he done killed somebody. Nah homie let him go pay his dues.

Won't we pay homage to the victim? You ain't seen now rapper pay homage to no victim of a crime yet homie. But soon as a rapper get they get all this love soon as a rapper catch a case and kill somebody they get all this support

so I'm saying homie what about these mothers what about I've spoken with Doe B's mother homie she's suffering and struggling I've spoken with that dude from Dallas right? no no Doe B is the one out of Alabama the T.I. had with the patch on that's Mo with two from Dallas right no no no be the one out of Alabama the tea I had with the patch on oh that's mode three from Dallas I've spoken with with with with Soldier Slim family

or or or what about dog he spoke with no no I went to Memphis the day of the funeral and spoke at Sherwood Elementary Elementary School the day after the funeral and saw how somber it was. The children are the victims because what it looked like homie is just as prestigious as NBA players in the black

community. Wow. They're praised. They're admired and they're honored. And the industry honors them as well, homie. So even- They promote them. They allow them to-

Why do they do that? Just because the black community itself, bro, we have no leadership. So a leader is anyone who takes on that role. So usually, they're scary. You know what I'm saying? We got bosses. People respect them. So what a leader does, a leader- In certain You know what I'm saying? We got bosses. People respect them. So what a leader does, a leader.

In certain neighborhoods is what he's saying. Homie, listen. I come from an era where when gangbanging came, the old b**** is in the neighborhood. What? N***a gang. That's an old cow. F*** that s***. Won't nobody say that today.

Won't nobody stand up and say gang members are cowards. Go look at every gang member that's telling the story he had a part he don't own nothing his woman help him get his credit together he that he don't know he don't own no sheets in the house he can't fix nothing but we honor these oh gee so and so man so so when you hear whack 100 and all these guys uplifting this on Piru they make it seem that this is as if Piru as if Crip

as if Blood as if GD and BD is something honorable and it's not they ain't shot a gun at a white clansman they ain't headbutted no white or bandito when they go to jail they get along with one another so the Mexicans don't run over.

So the same enthusiasm that y'all use in jail to get along and eat from each other bowls and spreads, why y'all can't do that at home? So the Crips been around and Bloods been around 50 years. Rap music been around just as long. When you look at it, they have called just as much destruction and detriment as slavery in the klu klux klan they running side to side with each other trying to see who go win and right now gangbanging to surpass slavery he's speaking facts yeah south i'd like yeah because they have a huge influence you gotta understand he's saying that it's it was just as detrimental as slavery because

it's the influence and it's the constant influence every time you turn on the song anytime you go to a hood it's being pushed up on you so that in turns push some of the kids into criminal activity it gets them incarcerated so it's kind of slavery in itself but this is in a programming more sophisticated way so now what are you hear ice cube saying ice cube is saying now these guys who own these record labels also now have some ownership in prisons we thought that was a myth at one point in time and they have life insurance on the rappers come on wow they own the prisons now they have they have some kind of stake in them and they have life insurance on their artists it's like they're taking over every single well yeah because it's a domino effect

but it's not yeah when they look at it they see our strategy tragedy and and and our detriment uh it's it's a profit for them right it's a number yes it's a profit now we know at this point in history and in time black people know everything we know every goddamn thing we know we the first jews we can tell you about jesus feet was black we know everything except how to build together we know everything except how to manufacture something how to create something strictly for us how to produce something right we argue and debate everything we know everything we know how the white man tricked us back when this we know okay so we know all these tricks and traps why we can't avoid them now we live in an

information age where okay our ancestors didn't know we say they didn't know this so we got all this knowledge we got all this information why can't we build like the people before us who could build with very little information but the slaves built wall street 1920 of slocum texas rosewood or detroit michigan man you can go to atlanta la watch what them people did in the field why we can't recreate that with all this knowledge and information that we have now and nothing can be hidden because we live in an information age. We live in an information age where at this point in time we can find out about anything. We can learn how to

do anything while we can't come together and do it since we know so much. It's the culture of the music. The music is at one point in time. You don't believe it's the divide though you don't believe that black people can't work together because we don't want to work together i i i believe we would never work together yeah because we don't want to work together oh i believe i

believe we don't want to work yeah we don't want to work together so it's not the fact that we can't do it it's because we don't want to do it i think it starts in the home um i think how you work together is based on how you work together within your home or black people no longer sit down at the table and eat together for one there used to be a time in america and particularly in southern black homes where you had supper time and everybody tried to make it home by supper time and if you didn to make it home by suppertime. And if you didn't make it home by suppertime, you had a reason why you wasn't at the dinner table to eat with your family. Making it home by suppertime and sitting down and eating with your family allowed you to bond and repair.

As a father, as a mother, you can look at your son, boy, why your eyes red? What's wrong with you? You can look at your daughter, hey, what's that on your neck? So now you get to examine as well as hey mom can you pass me the P now y'all breaking bread we tell hey can you share me the macaroni hey can you pass me the bread Oh psychologically home of that that that instills something oh so you begin to feel guilty when you miss

suppertime oh mom I'm. I got to do this. Now, homie, we get our plates. We put it in the microwave. You go that way. I go that way. I go in the room. Or we go to a restaurant. And we're in the restaurant.

We're not engaging. We're looking down at the phones. Yeah, we're not engaging. Going to a restaurant used to be a treat, a family treat or not a family trip, which you do regularly. Right. Right. Oh, that's how you build and bond with the family cooking and eating at home. Oh, that's why the elders always brought everybody together at some point in time. That's why we all eat together as a family. It seemed like it'd be the best time of the life. Now we got to do this again. Everybody. Oh, we got to do it. Yeah.

Yeah. So, uh uh we've gotten away from that culture right uh now this subculture which was the hip-hop culture is what 40 50 years old uh it's our primary culture homie there's no more ll cool j's there's no more because who make music just for the ladies there's no more public make music just for the ladies. There's no more public enemies. The conscience, everything is gangster. Gangster. So that's the complete culture now. It's drill and drugs.

And drugs. It's drill and trap. And then there's, I mean, there's drill, trap, and then there's Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick, which I feel like they're set apart. Then there's LaRussell, too. I f*** with LaRussell. I've never even heard his music. LaRussell?

Yeah. He's the new bass out of the bay he's independent oh what's in the ears of the youth because that's how you check the temperature of a country you you check the temperature of the country by engaging the youth and what they listen to and what they sing well most of them listen in the dirt young boy um that's pretty much that's all i'd be pretty much in dirt you know boy I hear a king Vaughn I don't hear you on them oh yeah I see it every day yeah well every day all day on in the comments oh do you feel like Doug is

gonna get out nah like he's done oh no I don't think he's done uh but you don't feel like he's getting out uh 90 95 percent of people return back to the community but i believe he's going to prison they they've caused so much damage and destruction between those two entities uh thug and yfn lucy a little crew uh how much a lot of people died behind that and what they were doing uh i don't think gunner snitched uh well when gunner when they asked gunner was he a part of a gang and was ysl the gang and he said yeah then he he snitched do you feel like that snitching yeah uh he is a part of it though oh yeah Yeah, I feel like they're snitching. So he was supposed to say no?

He wasn't supposed to talk period. Oh, he's supposed to say nothing. He's supposed to go to trial. And you feel like he would have got out anyway? I don't feel like what he should have done. I don't feel like none of them would have got out. Because everybody's snitching, homie. There's no solid crews. I don't feel like none of them would have got out because everybody's snitching on me. There's no solid crews.

The mafia broke. Sammy the Bull won the coldest. They **** people, Sammy the Bull. He individually **** people. These guys are snitching in lyrics. How do you think they're all arrested? They got over 300 phone conversations. Yeah, but they couldn't use none of them. Oh, well, it don't matter if they can use it.

That's how they made the rest. And even if they can't use it, they still got at least 10 or 12 of them to plea bargain 10-year probation, 5-year probation. Because they know they're going to violate. Not only that, by them saying I'm guilty with this, it also says he's guilty remember this is a state rico it can always go over to the feds if it don't go right with the state and the feds got a 98 percent it can always go because

because the state might might fall and well the fed to come in and we're we're gonna get it right if y'all won't they did it with boosie boosie got out boosie didn't get out boosie was pleading guilty that day and they and the feds say okay drop it we're gonna pick it up they don't just nah the feds tell the state to drop it so they can pick it up because you can't double jeff oh okay i see what you're saying you can't double jeopardy. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. You can't double jeopardy now. So the state said, but if you know what he did, Boosie was going to go plead guilty.

He wasn't going to fight that. And when you look at, when you look at the level, homie, and the extent that they went to make an arrest for a pistol case and a rapper. There's more to it than that. Well, there's not more to it than that.

If we were smart, we'd know that these a**holes is dumb. They've been telling us about the rap police for how long? Forever. They've been telling us the feds watching the rap police. Either they bullsh**ting us or they some stupid a**hole. They've been telling us the rap police watching, the feds watching. Okay. You with real gang members.'re in a real gang neighborhood

man you supposed to be a boss or a king why are you moving down here with these peasants like this man i got higher security man with a real company i see and then out la yeah so you know what you got to do in california to get your gun license to be able to meet the requirements to have what they have and they box us then the ball with crawford wow box so no man i wouldn't got professional i ain't get no toting gun playing security yeah leaving the gun out the bag so who's your top five rappers uh uh young jesus myeezy. My top five is Tupac. Okay. You see what I got on my shirt. Never ignorant, getting goals accomplished.

Tupac, Pimp C, T.I., Jeezy. Lil Boosie used to be one. I shit out Lil Boosie. Yeah, you fuck with each other. Well, Lil Boosie, he lost his mystique when he started getting on the internet. Yeah, he lost his mystique. He should have stayed off the internet. He ain't, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He lost his mystique. And then Kanye. Kanye. But no, man, Andre 3000. That's a good one. Yeah, f*** with Andre 3000. That's a good one. Yeah, with Andre 3000. That's a good list. But doesn't Tupac contradict your statement of promoting violence?

Well, I don't promote violence. I promote self-defense. Tupac broke my heart, homie. Tupac is the reason my mind started shifting away from gangbanging. Because as a kid, you're just trying to find an identity. 13, 14, 15, 16, your uncle a pimp, you think you want to be a pimp cause he indoctrinated you. Then, you know, you got the dancing part of the culture,

MC Hammer, Big Daddy Kane. So we dancing at one point in time, we go from dancing to all of a sudden the polly man that was a big shift so now you got colors you got so as a kid you're adapting to the culture right you don't have no traditions to keep you black people don't have no traditions to keep us grounded and our values and our morals and our principles. Right? Why do you think that is? Because we're not upholding the traditions of our elders. Dr. King said, let's go join them.

And in the process of going to go join them, we abandoned us. We used to know how to grow our own food. Too many of us today don't know how to go put no seed in the ground and grow a fucking thing. We used to know how to fish. We used to know how to grow our own food don't not too many today don't know how to go put no seed in the ground thing we used to know how to fish we used to know how to hunt if the car broke down we used to fix the carburetor we used to fix the alternator don't even know how to fix their bikes now little boys bikes get on flat that mother they quit riding he don't even know how to fix the tube no more we used to know how to take the towel get the glue put fine the hole put in we don't know how to take the motherfucking towel, get the glue, put fine hole, put it. We don't know how to do that no more. We used to know how to hook up our own stereo system, our own boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, put on our own tent. We're not skilled with our hands no more.

We think we know how to shoot guns. That's why we got the Draco. We don't know how to shoot. We don't go to the gun range. We don't hunt. We don't do nothing, homie. What tradition do we have other than watching our mamas get dressed and go to work? Learning how to cook because mama done left us at home by herself.

So we don't have none. So while we're at home sitting in the house learning how to cook, we're turning on the television. And the television telling us what we should become. We're putting on our headphones. The headphones are propagating and glorifying what we ought to be. And so when we come outside, see the like him look like the guy on television got all the girl look like the guy across the street getting up going to work dirty every day he they laughing

at him so that's why homie so the culture went from us dancing on stage. Big Daddy Kane was the coolest, smoothest dancing rapper we had. MC Hammer came. They started shaming him for wanting to go pop. They started dissing him for wanting to go pop. So as a kid with your young and impressionable mind, you're forming these these opinions and thoughts about what you want to be

with this undeveloped brain. You don't even have logic and reason why you listen to this. That's why they have those three monkeys that has see no evil, hear no evil, spook no evil. Those are supposed to be the babies so as parents we supposed to be saying man what you listening to man let me hear that what the you listen to

and then try to help them understand do you think he's really doing this so nobody's nobody's breaking down and uh it's like debriefing a who've been held hostage somewhere nobody's debriefing these kids on this and we know it's you know we know it's being wrapped to these kids and us and nobody's attacking that's why you attack it well those are my convictions now i didn't plan to do it that wasn't my plan i just came to the internet talking about my neighborhood these bulls that crippling blood my neighborhood right and the other heard me online saying it and felt i mean you can't say that about crippling i don't even know y'all i'm talking to these in my city uh and so uh i started with my local rapper the go yayos and the bugatti casinos and

the mo three i was on trap boy and them fred and them when they were doing all with mo three I started with my local rappers, the Go Yayos and the Bugatti Casinos and the Mo3. I was on Trap Boy and them Fred and them when they were doing all that shit with Mo3 and them. So I started with my local rappers before I started. So it's just, man, I didn't plan this shit. Those were just my convictions from working in the community and seeing what's destroying this shit. was destroying and as a black man that lives amongst other black people with black children and got white friends, the problem

ain't with our white counterparts. It ain't with our Mexican counterparts. We causing more trouble than anything in America. For nothing. Yeah, just for nothing. And it's not in your neighborhood it's just amongst us when we get in your neighborhood we act like we can mine like a mother yo are you do you not like asians oh i don't like asians

oh you don't like asians and say asian and that's where all this come from calling me okay and i can't call them a racist name. You ain't no but you gonna talk to me like y'all mad to my and I feel like man how y'all So you wasn't mad at all Asians. I don't know all Asians. I'm mad at Asians.

I'm good guys. So then when I find out they got Asian crips that's black people I said oh you can't go join no Asian gang and call me Asian. them and I find out they got Asian crips that's black people. I said, oh, you can't go join no Asian gang in Asia. I grew up with, I'm Dr. King's dream.

I started going to school with whites, Asians, and Mexicans in the 80s. The Civil Rights Legislation Act was in 1964. So, in the 70s, black people really go to school. That segregation mark hadn't really started happening until the 80s. So I'm first generation of integration.

I don't come from a hateful household. The judge who I had on my panel, Judge Alex Kim, all the black people in Tarrant County swear to God he racist. Homeless is my partner judge Alex Kim sat on that panel with those black mothers on that change me event and they saw he was racist cuz he said he was a judge he can't get any more motion so when people say I hate Asian now man I hate talking Asian online it's always some kind of misunderstanding when it when it when misunderstanding when it comes to you

so what's the beef with you and J Prince about or is that even a thing J Prince have never said one word yeah yeah nah ain't no beef with him so the internet painted that too and I didn't have no event in Houston homie

yeah cause they were saying that you had an event in the police i got i got i got i got invited i got invited to speak at a youth mentoring summit uh with with this lady called miss pap and she has an organization called parents against predators so i was i was scheduled to speak so it's right after quavo's or take out what's take off i'll say take off there yeah so it right after take off that was that was What was it, takeoff? Takeoff's there. Yeah. So it was right after takeoff's there. That was a crazy thing. Yeah, so this was right after takeoff's there. So because the internet, right? So when I posted the event,

there was a lot of people on the internet that done called the FBI on me and said, hey, man, he f***ing people. And he's threatening. So they make a lot of calls on me. So they was calling the city of Houston mayor's office and was saying all type of things about me. He's going to cause this.

So all the thing the mayor's office knows, man, we got a bunch of calls. I mean, this guy bringing a bad look. So rather than bringing a bad look to the event, I withdrawn. But the city of Houston said, hey, man, maybe he shouldn't come if he's gonna but they don't know i'm gonna get people from the internet calling because we got the information posted so you don't have no beef with jay prince no no no i ain't got no beef with nobody homie oh i've never robbed nobody

i've never shot at nobody i've never broken nobody's house i ain't jumped on nobody's sister yeah but you talk a lot oh but it's some people a lot of people and i ain't got and who am i talking to the internet yeah but your platform is bigger than a lot but who am i talking to so this is what i want to know who's sitting around and they feeling as a man listening to another man worried about what another man you know how sensitive, you're not sensitive to the world. Then come die about it, is what I say. Yeah, yeah, if you got a problem with what I say, come hit me in my mouth. Other than that, you ain't really got no problem.

Because how can you have a problem with what a man's saying online that you don't know? For one, if you got a woman. Number two, if you got to feed kids. If you got to pay bills. Only people mad at me is broke b******s online, weak a** b****** in their feelings, people who ain't got nothing else better to do

in life but to listen to what another man saying because I don't send out invitation to be heard. You can't find one video where I say, hey y'all like share or subscribe. I don't never do that. I don't post my cash out and say hey y'all hit my cash out. You got to get online and talk without a script and all of my conversation is based off what's written in the comments

yeah you better not come to new york oh new york oh he's this new york man you better uh uh king von behind your fucking von so that's all my that's all my conversation is They say you never get hate from people Doing better than you It's always from below Yeah well T.I. He gets hate from all over They tried to shut me down They made funny Marco take the video down They made revolt on big facts take it down

T.I. did this? You said he's in your top 5 Yeah he's still in my top 5 And I still wear cool clothing So wait T.I. don't f*** with you? I don't know who don't f*** with me. You know who don't f*** with you. I don't know him, homie.

You don't know T.I.? I don't know T.I. Oh. I ain't no celebrity s***. No, I know. I mean, I figured that y'all have some kind of relationship. Nah, homie. I don't know none of them.

Soulja Boy, none of them. He just got maced for nothing. So how y'all be running into each other? I'm out in public. I'm a normal guy that's still a part of the culture. I still listen to rap music even though I know they bulls**t. I'm grown with an

adult brain that can process this music. I listen to Luther Vandross even though he might be gay. I listen to Freddie Jackson even though he might be gay. I still can rhyme. Yeah, so I can decipher. Yeah, yeah, nah, man. So I'm still a part of the culture.

I still love the culture. I still love my people, even though I hate some of my people and their actions. I can still embrace it. So I'm going to see these people. I'm going to bump into them. I'm going to bump into them, homie. I'm going to bump me and Kevin Gates, Fredo Bain. Man, I done seen all of them, homie.

What's the one out of D.C.? T. Grizzly? T. Grizzly from Detroit. What's the one out of T. Real? T. Real out of? I don't know him. Man, I don't know him. Man, I don't know that man. Fat Trail?

Fat Trail, that's his name. Fat Trail from D.C. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I done been in... Yeah, man, Fat Trail. How many... I see them all. Dope.

What's next for you and what are you trying to promote, man? Man, well, you know, I'm Live Nation Comedy Tour now. Oh, you on Live Nation? Yeah, I'm on Live Nation. He's got a show tomorrow, right? Yeah, tonight.

Or tonight. Tonight and tomorrow. Mandalay Bay, man. House of Blues. I'm hosting TK Kirkland's Grown Folks Talking Tour, man. Sponsored by Live Nation. Wow. 56 cities, 4 countries. So your summer's

over. You working? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. From October to now. October, BET weekend in Atlanta was my first comedy show. I sold out at the Uptown Comedy Corner. I've done 30 shows since then. I've sold out 28 shows. I just come off doing five shows in Jacksonville in three days.

Show in Tampa. Two shows in Orlando. Now I'm here to do a show in Vegas tonight. I'll be in San Diego tomorrow. So I got the podcast. I got my own podcast, the game-related podcast. And then they just sent a contract

this morning, man, for me to fight Fly Soldier with the Island Boys. Let's go. I'm going to watch that one. He thinks he can kick my a**. How much is a purse? I don't know. I'll tell y'all, Cam. That's a big one. Lane?

This interview was different. I was expecting a different point of view, but now I got an understanding of you. You're not really a villain. He's painted as one. When I came to the internet,

I had been working with children for over 10 years by way of a non-profit that I had created with formerly incarcerated guys by the name of my organization called Hyped About Hype. Hype was an acronym for helping young people excel. I created a youth development program youth engagement program anti-gang cognitive interventions uh all type of 16 uh 16 week curriculum for the texas state juvenile justice

department my organization was highly recommended to all 254 counties throughout the state of texas wow um i've done trainings for the United States Department of Homeland Security, Human Traffic Indivision. Wow. Or North Texas Crime Commission at Eastfield Police Training Academy in Mesquite, Texas, by way of a special agent, Keith Owens. And that's because he met me while I was studying to become a lawyer at Texas Western University.

So I was a pre-law student at Texas Western University. Most people don't even know shit about you. No. So I was 83. This is the first time you're saying this. No, I say it all the time. For real? Yeah, and if you Google it, homie, you just got to get past the bullshits at first.

So most of the time when you Google something, don't pick up everything on the first page. Right. Go to the second page. So not only that, man, I worked uh with a national organization called campaign fair sentencing for youth out of washington dc and i became a part of a organization called i can which is incarcerated children's advocacy network and we worked on on different laws and legislation in america and ultimately we got juvenile life without parole abolished in this country in 2016 up until then only three countries had that law North Korea Sudan and America and so we got that

abolished homie so we had to I went to the Supreme Court uh I've been on the front page of the American Bar Association Journal uh so so I showed up to the internet with all of that background and experience, and I had just dropped out of college. I was two semesters away from applying to law school. So I showed up a frustrated community activist who was a single father at the time as well. My baby mama had just went to jail. She had been on the run. So my life had transitioned to wrong choices in life just got me to the point, homie,

where I just said, man, I don't want to do wrong no more. I just want to do right and I want to be right. I just want to be a good person. And so when I showed up to the Internet, that was my mindset. So the Internet was ugly. I wasn't. I came trying to uplift, but what I saw is too much negativity pushed in the algorithms for a guy like Eric Thomas' message to be heard every morning.

You know what I'm saying? So I actually worked in L.A. at Diamonddale Adolescent Group Home. So I was working with the kids that were coming out of youth authority, going back into the hoods. I worked at nighttime. They loved me. And in the mornings, I woke them up listening to Eric Thomas with a positive message. So I brought something new to the juvenile aspect in L.A. before I came to the Internet. But I didn't come to the Internet to do that, right?

I wanted to monetize. How can i get paid well i'm not a struggling community activist begging for financial help yeah that doesn't pay the bills no not at all so and then when i realized that content creation can make you rich i started studying how to become more effective on the internet and that's where the shock jock and satire but comedy come in so that's why you're a seal switch and me playing a villain. Yeah. That makes sense.

I saw what worked. Yeah, that makes sense. All right, guys. Powerful. Thanks for watching. See you next time. Peace.