Digital Social Hour - Unlock Celebrity Energy: The Hidden Secret You Missed | Whitney Uland DSH #649

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Unlock Celebrity Energy and uncover the hidden secrets you missed! 🤩 Join Sean Kelly on Digital Social Hour for a fascinating conversation with Whitney Uland, the trailblazer in celebrity coaching. Discover how Whitney helps artists and entrepreneurs harness their "it factor" and become magnetic in their fields. From overcoming personal struggles to thriving in the spotlight, Whitney shares her journey of healing and success in Hollywood and beyond. 🏆✨   Don't miss out on this episode packed with valuable insights into mental health, self-growth, and tapping into your own celebrity energy. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and transform your potential into reality today! 🌟   #EmotionalWellbeing #InnerStrengthDevelopment #Neuroplasticity #SelfhealingJourney #CelebrityEnergy   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:55 - Celebrity Energy Coaching Journey 03:15 - Mental Health and High Performance 06:22 - Brain Rewiring and Nervous System Hacks 08:04 - Understanding Celebrity Energy 09:58 - Building Personal Magnetism 12:44 - Fear of Visibility in Our Brains 17:40 - The Negative Perception of Fame 19:26 - Energy Intimidation in Men 22:46 - Divorce Rates in Los Angeles 25:38 - Acting as a Career Goal 27:23 - The Concept of Selling Your Soul 29:15 - Insights on the Me Too Movement 30:23 - TikTok vs Instagram Communication 31:20 - Finding Whitney Online   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Whitney Uland https://www.instagram.com/whitneyuland https://www.tiktok.com/@whitneyuland https://www.howtobefamous.org/   SPONSORS: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/social Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So fun, right? And so that's really what it's about is I teach my clients the tools to do that and I help them do that obviously as well. But essentially it all starts with just believing that you have the power to do that and that you can retrain your brain in order to think differently

and to experience the world in a different way. Yeah, we become so normalized to the patterns we grew up with, right? Exactly. So you got to reprogram and unlearn a lot of stuff. Exactly. All right, guys, we got Whitney Uland here today celebrity coach thanks for coming on thanks so much for having me I appreciate it of course you got really good posture thank you I better right yeah that's something I've been celebrity energy trying to work on and yeah we're gonna dive into

celebrity energy I thought what you coach is actually really unique I've never seen it before I know I'm literally the only person who does it. Every time I'm like working with marketing people, they're like, tell us your competitors. I'm like, I actually don't have any. Yeah. We got to hear how you got into this. Cause I've never seen celebrity energy, celebrity training or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So you know, tell us all this time in terms of the getting into the healing space, I came from a pretty significant amount of abuse and, um, I, of abuse and religious abuse specifically and mind control, things like that. And when I – that combined with then I also am a performer. I have a BFA in musical theater.

And so I have these talents for performing. But after I graduated college, I moved to New York City and I was trying to make it as a Broadway actress, right? And that's really what I wanted to do. But my mental health was really struggling. I was really suffering. And eventually, about six months after I moved there, my dad passed away. And it really just I hit this rock bottom moment of, you know, if you're if your mental health is not in a good space, then you're not going to be able to perform at your peak. Right. But especially as an actor to, to be able to then, you know, perform and a whole, like have good stage presence and things like that. I just couldn't do it. And so, um, it ultimately led me to my own self healing, my own, you know, journey. And I found life coaching and it really just made such an impact in my life and in my mental health. And that's really when I realized that when I prioritize my own healing and my own mental health, that's when really when I realized that when I prioritize my own healing and my own mental health,

that's when my career started to take off. That's when I was able to join the unions, get amazing representation, win awards. I started writing, directing. I made my first feature film. I traveled all over the world with my films. And so it was incredible. And so then my intuition was just like,

you should, you should pursue this coaching thing more. This is like your favorite thing outside of acting. And so I decided to get certified as a coach, which was in 2019. And then with the pandemic, then all of a sudden no actors had jobs. They all needed help with their mental health. And so that's really when my business took off. Wow. Signed my first celebrity client and it kind of built its life on its own. Interesting. So it's been a fantastic journey. And yeah, I really just help artists, creators, and influencers with their mental health and develop the it factor, which is what I call celebrity energy, so that then they can then be magnetic so that they can

create the results that they want in their lives. And, um, you know, it, it now has transcended beyond just actors and entertainers, also, um, entrepreneurs, right. People who want to build a platform, people who want to be a thought leader. Um, that's what I help them do. That's so cool. I think a lot of people put mental health to the side. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's not, I feel like there's such a, it's getting de-stigmatized, but I think for high performers, a lot of the time people don't realize that you actually, that's the foundation, right? It's like, you know, just having conversations with people who are very successful in their business or whatever it is, it's because they've taken a lot of action. But sometimes I like to say, you know, it's like the hardware doesn't match the software. So the software meaning your brain, right? And you've

got to get, if you want to be a high performer, you have to be, you have to have your mind at that high optimized space. And so it's really about taking things to this next level. And so then you can create the results that you want in your life. Right. Yeah. Mental health is huge. So you, you had to hire a coach to kind of guide you through your problems. Yeah, absolutely. So when I was just really struggling, my sister actually sent me this podcast and it had Brooke Castillo on it. She's a life coach. She owns the life coach school. And she basically just taught, you know, the difference between your thoughts, your feelings, your circumstances, and how they all kind of go together and really just helped me see that I had a lot more power. I had a lot more

control over not only my results, but my experience in the world, right? You can hear all the time about how some of the happiest people are people who the world, right? You can hear all the time about how some of the happiest people are people who have nothing, right? And some of the most miserable people are the people with everything. And that's not because, you know, it's not our circumstances that define how we're feeling in the world. It's what we're thinking about them. It's how our brain is operating. It's, you know, letting yourself actually feel good, which sounds like something we all want to do. But our brains are really wired just to survive.

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that survival instinct almost? Yeah, absolutely. So that's what I really help my clients do is to, I call it, you know, you have to rewire your brain and hack your nervous system. So, um, it is something, you know, our brains have what's called neuroplasticity, which means that our brains can learn, they can change. It's kind of like a computer program, but we have our prefrontal cortex and we're able to use that prefrontal cortex to tell our brain how to think, how to act, how to, you know, we're literally able to rewire neurons in our brains. It's so fun. Right. And so that's really what it's about is I teach my clients the tools to do that and I help them do that obviously as

well. Um, but essentially it all starts with just believing that you have the power to do that and that you can retrain your brain in order to think differently and to experience the world in a different way. Yeah. We become so normalized to the patterns we grew up with, right? Exactly. So you got to reprogram and unlearn a lot of stuff. Exactly. And that's really, you know, with me, with my story, it's, you know, I was essentially brainwashed by a religion. And for me, when you've experienced that, you don't even know what's true.

You don't know what's not true. It kind of feels like you're being tumbled around by the waves of the ocean and you don't even know which way is up. But what I found is that we have inside of us are like, we have, you know, whatever you want to call it, your soul, your intuition, your gut, whatever knows truth. And, and what happens though is when we're in this survival mode, we can't access that truth. We're literally, when we're in survival mode, we're looking for threats. We're looking for what's going wrong. We're looking for how do I make sure that I'm safe? How do I make sure I'm alive? That's what our brain is wired to do, not to trust our intuition. And so by removing those fears, that's how you can access it. And that's also how you access the celebrity energy. That's how you

become magnetic is living in that state. Essentially what I call celebrity energy. That's how you become magnetic is living in that state. Essentially what I call celebrity energy. You know, there's this idea as an actor that you never want to do a scene with a dog or a baby because they're going to what's called pull focus, meaning everyone's only going to want to watch them and not you. Now, the reason is not because they're cute. It's because they exist in this hyper present state. So it's this state that it's just magnetic to watch. And it's essentially a state that exists without fear. So there's this great story. Several people have told this, but Marilyn Monroe was an amazing example of this. So her photographer has this story about how they were walking down the streets of New York City and Marilyn turned to them and said, hey, do you want to watch me become Marilyn? They're like, what do you mean? And then they realized no one had stopped them. And then what she did is she kind of transmuted,

she, she shifted, she transcended herself and she turned on the celebrity energy. So she turned on the it factor. And that's when all these people started to then be like, Oh my God, Marilyn, Marilyn. And that's when they started to recognize her. So I believe that that state, that it factor, that celebrity energy is our natural state when we're not like encumbered by fear, when we're not in that survival mode. And so the best actors, artists, creative celebrities, they just know how to get into that flow state and to exist while being perceived by other people. And so it's, it's a skill anyone can learn how to do, which I think is cool because I always thought you had to be born with it.

I could see that. There's certain people that walk in a room, you feel it. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, and that's the thing, like being raised in a religion, I didn't consume a lot. I wasn't really allowed to watch television, read magazines, things like that. And now I live in Los Angeles. And so I don't necessarily, like if I'm in a grocery store, I don't know who celebrities are, but I always know that they are somebody. Wow. Right. It's like, you'll be there and they just, they have this pull. It's this magnetism, right? The same thing you could see like a big CEO or someone who knows how to, um, you know, be really good at public speaking. That's, that's the it factor. That's that magnetism. Yeah. And it's a really good skill to have. Absolutely. I mean, and, and that's the

thing. It's, it's, I would argue it's the most powerful skill to have, right? It's, it's a really good skill to have. Absolutely. I mean, and that's the thing. It's, I would argue it's the most powerful skill to have, right? It's shifting. You're able to shift public opinion. You're able to like be a leader. You're able to be a thought leader. You know, people trust you. People, it's very powerful. Yeah.

And you think men and women can both have it? Oh my God, absolutely. I mean, again, because it's all, this is what I love about it, is because it's something that we all have access to, and yet it's something that can only exist when we're not in a state of fear. Yeah. If you look at our society, and not to get too political or whatever, but the people who this current society is built for are typically men. If we think about patriarchy, capitalism, things like that, this is a state where,

at least that's where we see people with the biggest positions of power. So a lot of the time, even though women have it, they don't necessarily know how to turn it on when they're in a position of power or when they need to be in their authority. So that's why I do see more leaders,

more politicians, things like that, having that magnetism, but it's not because it's a, it's, it's a non-gendered thing, but more men are likely to just be able to fall into it naturally. Yeah. Yeah, it does. I'd be curious what percentage of men are in leadership roles. I don't know the exact numbers. Oh, it's very high. Yeah. Extremely. Probably Hollywood too. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you think about, and that's something also like, like you know if you look at the Hollywood network right now it's and the way that it's built is I believe it's a broken machine at this point it's kind of a relic um but it was I mean Hollywood is all is is run by men predominantly and predominantly straight white men and um that's

kind of the way that it is but it, but it is also a very broken system. And I think that now, because we have social media, instead of the traditional Hollywood route, right? Like when I was acting, it was like I needed an agent. I needed to get in the union. I needed to make friends with casting directors. I needed so many people to say yes to me in order to use my voice.

Now we have social media. All you need is a phone. You literally can just, there is a no cost to entry because everyone already has a phone, right? You literally just need your phone and your voice. And yet so many people are afraid of using social media. It feels cringy. You know, it feels whatever.

It's people blow it off. People say, oh, like influencers, you know, people want to make fun of it or whatever. But it ultimately does take a deep level of self-trust to stand out and say, no, my voice matters and I deserve and my mission matters and I want people to be part of this mission. And to have that level of authority

takes a lot of courage. It does. And to be able to put your voice out there. It took me years to do a podcast, honestly, because I was so scared of being judged. Yeah, I'm sure. And that's the thing. So there's three main reasons

that our brains are afraid of stepping out and building a voice. So the first one is just going to be our brain's primal instinct to stay alive. Okay. So what we have is like, our brains are going to want to avoid anything that it sees as physically threatening or confusing. So if you grew up, you saw a lot of stranger danger, right? You had the 24 hour news cycle on at your house and you learned that the world is scary, then you're not going to want to be perceived by millions of people. Also, if you were to close your eyes and picture a million people, you literally can't, like our brains can't see that. Like the most I can picture is like 80,000 because that's how many, but that's how many are at SoFi stadium when I saw Taylor Swift. Right. And so it's like,

I can picture that. But anything our brain sees as confusing, it's just going to want to avoid because that confusion could be danger, right? And our brain's job, again, just stay alive. Don't upset anyone. So then the second thing is going to be anything that your brain perceives as a separation between you and your community. So this could be like if you know that you have something to say, but your friends and family are going to make fun of you for like trying to be an influencer. It could be, you know, a lot of the artists I work with, they're like, I want to write something, but I

know it's going to upset my mom. Right. Or I don't want to be seen for who I authentically am. Things like that. And then the third thing is just going to be if you've ever had a past negative experience in the spotlight. So this would be, you know, maybe you were the weird theater kid, or you did get in the spotlight and then people were jealous of you, or you try to put yourself out there and you failed, or, you know, you made social media posts and people made fun of it, or it just didn't, you know, pop off the way that you wanted it to. That's going to, that's like a kid touching a hot stove. The kid is never going to touch that stove again because they've seen that it's painful, right? And so that's a third reason that our brains just like the reason that we avoid putting ourselves out there, starting the podcast, starting the platform, building the platform, whatever it is.

It's like your soul might want it, but your brain is going to see it as threatening. And so your brain is going to find these really sneaky ways of sabotaging you. Either you're going to act like your brain's going to say, oh, this is overwhelming or I'm confused or just not even know where to start, right? Those kind of classic self-sabotage or what will happen is your energy field will just shut down. So the best way to describe this is I wasn't like when I lived in New York city, if I was taking the subway home late at night, then if someone came on the subway and they kind of like scared me, then I, which is very common. Right. Um, then I would just kind of like want to blend in, right. I, my energy field,

I would just shrink because I didn't want them to talk to me. That's what art we do if we're afraid of being seen. Right. and so if someone wants to have a platform but their subconscious brain thinks that it's scary thinks it's threatening then even if they do the thing their energy is not going to be available to be perceived and so that's where like i don't know if you've seen but it's a big thing like on tiktok where people want to complain about you know being the algorithm is you know fucking me up or like i'm in low view jail or whatever that's not what's actually happening what's happening is you actually don't feel safe being perceived and so your energy is not magnetic and so people don't want to watch

you i could see that though because when i was in school and i didn't want to raise my hand i would shrink exactly exactly yeah and so things like that like i think it's amazing that you've built this incredible platform because that is something that a lot of people would look at and say, no, like I was the shy kid. Like, how could I, you know, if I raise my hand, I don't want to look like I'm stupid or whatever. And so then people get these stories like, oh, I'm shy or I'm introverted or whatever. I could never be a person with a platform. I think you're an incredible example of someone who has created an incredible, you know, following in spite of that. Yeah. Massive introvert growing up and lack of confidence was huge. And that, that affected business. So I had to change my mindset.

Yeah. I'm sure. How did you do that? Just watching videos, learning from the right people and repetition. You have to go out there and talk to people. So I was a huge introvert. I didn't talk to anyone, but you're not going to grow that way. Yeah. That's cool. That's, I think honestly, a lot of the time people just kind of almost need permission. And like, I think it's cool that's I think honestly a lot of the time people just kind of almost need permission and like I think it's amazing that you're like you know you share that and because I think a lot of people it's like I see this a lot that it almost feels cringy to want to build a platform or they feel like it's embarrassing like one of the big parts of my

mission is to tell people like you're not a bad person because you want to be famous. Like so many people, I'm guessing this was you at some point. It's like, you like, there was something inside of you, some desire you had or whatever to have a voice, to have a platform and to build an audience. And if you hadn't listened to that, then you wouldn't have never created this amazing thing. Right. But I think that so many people, because they're afraid that, you know, I grew up thinking or being told, right. Celebrities are bad. Influencers are self-centered people who have a platform, you know, whatever it is. And that really stops them from taking the action and learning those things, um, to overcome that and to actually build the platform.

Agreed. It is interesting how famous and celebrity and influencer have negative connotations a lot of the times these days. Yeah, absolutely. And I even think to me, like influencers, let's say like predominantly, like when we think of the stereotypical influencer, we typically think of young women. Yeah, we do. And I think that we really like villainize them. And I think that we also really like kind of make fun of them because what they're, but, but the truth is what they're doing is actually pretty radical in that

they're saying in a society that isn't really made for women to make a lot of money and to have a lot of power and have a lot of influence. They're saying, no, this does matter, right? I do matter. And they're stepping out and they're saying,

I am going to have a voice. I am going to have a voice. I am going to have a platform. And to me, I honestly like really commend, like some of the bravest people I know are 25 year old influencers who like, despite having, you know, their family or whatever, everyone thinking when they first start out, you're full of shit.

Who do you think you are? Like, oh, you're just going to be talking to the camera and selling lip gloss, right? and how embarrassing it looks or whatever and they continue to just like blow past that and I think that's been something that's so incredible for me I get an inside peek I get to see what's going on in the minds of artists of creatives of influencers of celebrities all of them like every single person very similar i mean exactly like you have had to do a lot of self-growth self-growth to get to the place that they feel comfortable having a platform and it really is like it's them being brave and it's them stepping out and being like i'm gonna you know put

my fears to the side and and do this because it matters to me i mean yeah look how long it took me 24 years probably you similar right yeah Absolutely. Now I know you were on a dating show. Do you think a lot of men get intimidated by your energy? Oh my God. Yes. I think that's so I'm currently in going through a divorce right now. And yeah, I think in the dating field, it's, it's all about compatibility, right. And finding, um, someone who is on board and sees the value and sees what I do as being and sees how much I've overcome too. And, and, you know, just finding that compatible person or relationship, um, who sees the value in it and isn't, and is confident enough in what they offer and what they do that they're not threatened by

it. Yeah. From a, from a guy point of view for someone to date you i think they need to have their shit in order like absolutely super mentally resilient yes know what they want yes and also it's like i'm a life coach do you know what i mean it's like dating me you're getting a free life coach like you're gonna be in the best shape of your life every single person i've dated i have this joke that it's like they all leave better off than i found them like they're all making more money they dress better like you're gonna get an up level but like you gotta be you have to like be confident enough to be like yes i want that yeah they're doing a lot of studies on like income levels relationships and uh guys struggle dating women that make more than them really why do you think that is i think as a guy you want to be the provider i don't know if it's natural

from biological reasons maybe there's some deep studies that need to be done but yeah i feel like i i get a lot of fulfillment from providing yeah that makes a lot of sense and i think you know for me i grew up in a house where um and in a religion and in a like a society you know in just small town texas that women didn't do that right and so for me i i just i was always taught that I couldn't um you know people always ask me if my parents supported me in being an actor and it's it's kind of a weird thing because I do think my dad really believed in me and was like you know I trust you and if that's what you want then do it but I also kind of think that there's something to it that they kind of I think my family just didn't ever think that I would or could provide financially. And so I don't think that like, you know, I do think if I was a boy and I said I wanted to go into acting, I think they would

have said no. And so I think that in that way, I was kind of underestimated. And so to be to have the success and to be making the money that I'm making now based on where I came from, I think is pretty radical. Like every day I'm, I blow my own mind with, and I feel like I have a really, really amazing support system and they're so incredible and they love celebrating me. And I'm able to just be like, oh my God, look how much money I made this month. Because I still am just amazed by it because I really feel like my life could have been in a completely different state. And I think for me now, being a single mom, I'm so grateful. I'm so fucking grateful that I'm able to provide for my kid, for myself. I mean, there was a time that I'm the fourth generation of women in my family to be divorced.

Wow. But I have really come out on top. And I don't want to speak to any of their experiences. But just to know and to have the business that I have, to have the support that I have, and for that not to be an issue, that's statistically, I think, unlikely for people who grew up the way that I did. Yeah. You're in LA, right? I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah. So the divorce rate there, do you know it? Oh God, what is it? I think it's 60, 60% if I'm not mistaken, which is crazy. It's one of the highest in the country. Why do you think it's so high there? That's an interesting question. Um,

I assume that that, that the divorce rate has increased recently. I've heard, I don't know if this is true, but I've heard that it was higher in 2023 than it ever has been. And people were crediting that to the Barbie movie and to Taylor Swift. But there were so many celebrity divorces too. A lot of my clients were going through it as well. I personally, and this is gonna be a radical thing,

because I was taught like, oh, people don't value the sanctity of marriage. I think that women are just realizing that they deserve to be treated better and that they want something different from their life. That's something that I have seen in, you know, I have no clinical data on this. This is just the personal and the people that I'm seeing and having conversations with. But I do think that a lot of us have been very underestimated and maybe have had partners who didn't feel comfortable with that and didn't feel comfortable with that success. But I also just in general, I mean, here's the thing. I think that it's really almost easy to create results from a rock bottom,

right? If, if someone, this is, this is kind of a terrible thing to say, but if someone, if my ex-husband had been physically, like, violent to me, I would have, like, left. I would like to think, right? I know that I'm not trying to villainize people who don't, but that at least our society sees as, oh, something is really bad. You should definitely make a change. What's harder, I think, is when things are okay and you want something better.

Because society is going to tell you, oh, you want like, oh, you're just selfish. You're just whatever. And that really is the work of becoming a celebrity is transcending yourself. And I like to say creating fame is like a video game. New levels, new devils. And the people who have these meteoric rises, they happen one level at a time. Like every, every overnight success happened 10 years in the making. Right. And so, but it really is, it's, it's creating, it's,

it's not just getting to a place where you're comfortable. It's getting to a place that you're comfortable and then saying, and I want more and I'm willing to risk what I've already created in order to get something better. So, I mean, even my ex and I are on and I'm willing to risk what I've already created in order to get something better. So, I mean, even my ex and I are on good terms now. And I think we both just wanted something different. And we wanted something better in terms of more aligned for us, you know. And so I think that that's something that's super valid and fair. And while I still do believe in monogamy, I don't necessarily think that every, that like being married for life necessarily is the best thing

for everyone biologically it's tough i think yeah yeah probably because men are made to reproduce yeah you know what i mean yeah absolutely that's again something not something i can speak to that makes sense is acting still like a main goal because i know you're blowing up on tiktok getting probably more views there than you were in some of your movies. So is that still like a main thing? I enjoy it. And if it were the right opportunity, I would do it again. But the idea of sitting on set

in someone else's trailer doesn't, it's not appealing to me because now where I'm at is I have my own voice. I can say what I want. I'm not waiting on gatekeepers. I do have scripts that I'm developing and pitching around and I intend to act in those so when like

when I am at like I really do see myself like I feel like when I'm able to write direct act in something that's like when all of the parts of my brain light up it's like I've never done crack but like I assume that's what it feels like like I'm just like on hyper alert or whatever um so with some of my shows I do intend to sell them and be part of of that process um but i'm not really interested in like auditioning for some random procedural and getting on set get on set for eight weeks in a trailer yeah yeah that's not that's not my vibe yeah i got pitched out i was like i'm good yeah yeah five thousand bucks for eight weeks i'm good yeah no no no no well that's the thing it's's like, you know, when, when you have a voice, you start to realize, you know, even like,

I just let go of my commercial, um, um, agents because I was just like, I, this just, you want me to spend a day going to Santa Monica to audition for something for three grand. Like I'm not, no, I can make more money at home doing, doing and saying what I want and not you know just holding this Neutrogena bottle or whatever it is you're more in touch with your purpose now exactly exactly so I think that that's something also just you know Hollywood they do again I think it's a

broken system but it thrives if someone is comfortable being a puppet for someone else that's not something that I'm interested in and you hear that saying right they sell their souls to get to where they are. Do you believe in that? I do. But here's the thing that I like to offer

as a distinction is that in order to create the resource of fame, you do have to sell your consciousness. So your consciousness, who you are, the ideas you have, your creativity, that does have to be open for public consumption. So in that way, if you looked at it, yeah, you're technically selling

your soul but um yeah i mean as far as like the traditional routes like they're and people online right i'm sure you get crazy comments all the time but one of the things that i see a lot of people are like yeah like the people who are truly insane um literally think that people signed some contract and have devil horns and like whatever. And I'm like, OK, that's not real as far as I know. But I do think that there are people who have had to make difficult decisions and had to kind of prioritize their career in order for a paycheck or whatever and maybe have like i i do think a lot of a lot of women that i've worked with have had that experience unfortunately where they had to take roles or i mean i've even had experiences where i i do feel like i was kind of taken advantage of and um taken advantage of on set and i didn't feel like i had the autonomy to say no because it was my job

and as an actor you're so desperate you're in such a vulnerable place you've been working your ass off for years to try and get a role and then when you do and they say oh yeah and you're not going to have your clothes on what are you going to do then wow that happened to you yeah oh my gosh yeah yeah did you see the nickelodeon thing i haven't yeah i honestly think it would probably be a little too much for me yeah yeah for you probably because you were actually in those shoes that's crazy man I mean he was 14 yeah yeah I've I've I've heard that is nuts yeah everyone loved that show and they had no idea he was dealing with that there's probably a lot of other actors are too yeah yeah yeah exactly it's it's uh you know it's

interesting just kind of being on the other side of the me too movement and just seeing kind of how it's all shaking out and I do I will say like the people that I know who work in Hollywood at this point, especially the younger generation are committed to making a change. And some of the junior execs that I know that are going to be the gatekeepers, like they are the best people that I know

and they really want, they're empowered by inclusion and they want diversity and they want like it to be equitable and all of that. So I do have a lot of faith for it. I just think this, it's like they're trying to fix a system that's broken instead of like, you know, with social media, it's just not a broken system. Yeah, absolutely. It's fair to a point. There's certain platforms that will censor certain messaging, but I'd say it's decent. Yeah. And I think what I will say is if you have issues with the way that some of the platforms are censoring or things like that, there are still other ones you can use. So I think in general, it's a positive trend.

Is TikTok your main one right now um lately i feel like i've i feel like i can make more money on instagram so i've been just prioritizing that the last month but yeah my my main base is on tiktok yeah i like instagram the most because of the messaging interesting wait tell me more just because like messaging like that's how i got you on the show like the dms yeah like i feel like no one checks tiktok dms that's true and I actually that's actually something that I kind of struggle with on instagram because my dms are constantly now bombarded whereas on tiktok it didn't feel that way so I do feel like in some ways it's nice because you can actually connect

with people and it does feel like a more real community whereas on tiktok it didn't but as a creator I find it hard to keep up with I feel that yeah you might need to get someone in there for you i already have someone and it's still yeah like i have two vas right now two social media people and it's still it's just like i'm just like what is happening that's celebrity energy man people are just approaching you non-stop it's honestly yeah yeah it's awesome yeah it's awesome uh where can people find more about your coaching and everything yeah so um the place that I mostly live is social media, right? I'm at WhitEveland. And then my website is howtobefamous.org.

Cool. That's a good domain. Thank you. I couldn't get.com. Yeah, I bet that one would cost a lot. I don't know. Some random magician had it. And I would honestly pay him a lot for it.

But he's not responding to my emails. Damn. Well, if you're watching this random magician, hit her up. Yeah, hit me up. Well, thanks for coming on. Thanks for watching, guys. Yeah, hit me up. Well, thanks for coming on. Thanks for watching guys. I will see you tomorrow.