Digital Social Hour - Unlock Social Currency: Networking Secrets That Work | Chip Hopper DSH #1232

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Unlock the power of Social Currency and discover Networking Secrets That Work! 🌟 In this episode of the Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly sits down with the incredible Chip Hopper to explore how building meaningful connections can transform your personal and professional life. 💼✨   Ever wondered how to leverage your network for success? Chip shares his insider tips on social currency, relationship capital, and why your next big opportunity might just be "one connection away." 🤝 Plus, they dive deep into creativity, the evolving role of AI, and how to stand out in a world shaped by alien intelligence. 🤖🌍   From ghostwriting stories that change lives to expanding networks in unique spaces like Sundance and Vegas, Chip’s journey is packed with valuable insights you don’t want to miss. 🚀 Whether you're a networking pro or just starting to build your connections, this episode is for you!   🎧 Tune in now and join the conversation! Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🌟🔥   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:35 - Networking Strategies 04:08 - Effective Book Selection Process 04:59 - Specialized Recruiting Group Insights 08:05 - AI Capabilities and Future Potential 12:35 - Understanding Alien Intelligence 14:42 - Seeking Recognition and Validation 18:10 - Your Son's Book Writing Journey 19:20 - Behind the Scenes Experiences 21:09 - Government Control and Creative Freedom 23:53 - Public School Impact on Creativity 26:05 - ADHD and Dyslexia as Superpowers 29:14 - Future Plans for Chip 29:50 - Finding Chip Online   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Chip Hopper https://www.instagram.com/chiphopper/ https://chiphopper.com/   SPONSORS: SPECIALIZED RECRUITING GROUP: https://www.srgpros.com/   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/   Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #adventure   #aitools #artsandculturenews #technologyimpactsinyourdailylife #machinelearning #aicollaboration   #socialmediamarketing #howtonetwork #successsummit #networkingevent #selfimprovement

And now we have AI and other systems that can track us more than we've ever been tracked before. And where is that power going to end up? Right now there's this huge issue with TikTok, right? And who controls that data? And are we giving this data to another country that might not have our best interests in mind? Right. that might not have our best interest in mind. All right, guys, we got Chip Hopper here today out till 9 a.m. and joining me. So I appreciate you, you know, giving up some sleep to be here. Yeah. Happy to do it.

Is that a common thing for you to be out late? No, no. It's either Sundance or Vegas. That's right. And Vegas will do that to you. Oh, my gosh. What's your favorite? That's why I can't live in Vegas. What's where I ended up staying. Vegas will do that to you. Oh my gosh. What's your favorite? That's why I can't live in Vegas. What's your favorite activity in Vegas to do? Just going out to the clubs, you know,

just hanging with friends. Good old access, souk. Yep, yep. Vegas does have some good clubs, man. Yeah, yeah, I love music. I love connecting with people. So those are like my two favorite things. You've done a great job of building a network.

Yeah, I love, to me networks are one of the most important things you can have connection and how you're connected and who you're connected with Right. They call it social currency these days. Yeah. Yeah, because even though you might not have a liquid amount You can leverage your network to make that in a certain amount of time, right? Right every it's all it's all about currencies that you that you manage and that you grow and relationships and relationship capital or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. I'm glad I came to Sundance because I've expanded my network in a new space that I'm not really familiar with between the film space and the biohacking space. And I've added more connections in those spaces. So it was worth it.

Yeah. That's my love-hate relationship with Sundance. It's like, I don't typically stay out till 8 a.m. but when you're out and you're just with these amazing people that have come in from all over the world working on film creatives or you know others that are just everyone you meet knows people that you want to meet. Right. So my belief is that for you to get to your next level you're one away, right? And that one away is most likely in your phone. And then if they're not in your phone, they're in the phone of somebody in your phone. I love that. That's a great way of thinking about it. Yeah, but you're right.

I met people from Columbia, met a couple from Australia, all around the world, not just US. I love that. Cause sometimes you get in this echo chamber of just our little local city or local county, or even our local country Yeah, absolutely. And you know Tim Ferriss said this years ago that one of the best ways to

Well, I don't know if he put it exactly this way But in essence he was saying one of the best ways to gain empathy is to go to more than one country Right and that the things you learn from living in a different space or even just being in that space, the different way you see the world is really significant and changing the way you perceive things. Yeah, and I think someone in the creative space like you, who by the way, for people watching this, you're a ghostwriter, traveling gives you important perspectives when you're writing, right? Yeah, absolutely. To me, I tell people that if they want to improve their connection, the two main things they can do are read and travel, right? And obviously then, to me, I tell people that if they want to improve their connection, the two main things they

can do are read and travel. Right. And, and obviously then, you know, talk with people as well, but putting yourself in someone else's shoes, one of the fastest ways to do that is through reading. I agree. And, uh, the second is travel, in my opinion.

Yeah. Reading or audio books or podcasts. Yeah. Great ways to learn fast. Just a little thing for me, I call it reading. Like if you're, if you're consuming the knowledge, I don't care if you're doing audible. I don't care if you're sitting down with a

print book. I don't care if it's a Kindle, right? Like to me, it's all learning and bringing that knowledge in. Yeah. Um, for me, reading is, is super valuable and what you read makes the difference. Certain things are more curated, like podcasts, for example, are less

curated often because they're just stream of consciousness. Right. As you talk, uh, books are often more curated, not as much now, but the best books, um, a lot of those authors have taken decades of knowledge and curated into a single book. So taking in knowledge is much easier and quicker when you have the consolidated content. Agreed.

What's your book selection process? Cause there's so many books, right? And you only have a certain amount of time. Yeah. So I have, I've read a book a week for over 25 years. Damn. And it's been an interesting journey and it really shifts you. And I, you know, as I've read, you realize more

and more that just because it's information doesn't make it true and doesn't make it valuable. So I love your question of how do you find the best books? And one of the ways that I do it is I listen to those that I trust. And I try and find people like Ray Dalio says, find people that you trust that don't agree with you because then you can balance your opinions with other people that you see as having studied and thought out answers. And for me, when I can find books

those people resonate with, that is where I start to pull those books. All right, shout out to today's sponsor, Specialized Recruiting Group. Navigating the professional job search is hard. You know the perfect job is out there, Alright, shout out to today's sponsor Meet Specialized Recruiting Group, offering a tailored approach to find your next role. Go to srgpros.com, srgpros.com and get on the right course. Your local Specialized Recruiting Group team knows which businesses are hiring and can offer you a path to contract and full-time roles.

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One before they can start another one. Yeah to, you're always in a different state of mind. So pick up what's working with you right at that time, whether you're listening or reading. And if the book's no longer resonating or no longer serving you, then put it down. I love that. There's a great site. I forget the name, but if you Google anyone and

then after their names type in book recommendations, they'll show you what books they've recommended, like all the top entrepreneurs and stuff. So I'll do that. I'll see what they recommended. I'll look at multiple intelligent people have recommended that book. And then I'll summarize that book on chat GBT. If I like the summary, then I'll get the book on audible to X speed while I'm in the car. And that's my process. That is perfect. That's a great way to bring it in. I use an app called Goodreads. That's a good app. And I love that app because you can see

what other people are reading in your friend group, if you will. It's a it's a social group of people that are reading and you see what books they're reading and you can see the books that they've rated highly compared to the books you've rated highly. So you can start to see, okay, maybe these books will resonate with me because they have similar tastes and ratings. That's cool. Years ago, I wanted to create an app that, that did that with movies where it's like, if you like this movie, you might like this movie because your

friends also like this movie because the funny part of it was you would have friends that you always were the inverse of, right? If they loved a movie, you knew you were not going to like it. So it's like, if you can know what other people are liking and which ones think like you or resonate with you. I mean, that's needed because let's be honest, movie critic reviews are so paid for it's obvious. Like I can't trust those. So I'd rather have ordinary people give me their opinion on movies. Yeah, absolutely. And people, people you know, and people you trust. And that's probably one of the biggest concerns with with the rise of AI right now is that I think it is degrading

trust, because you don't know if you're really speaking to a person or anymore, or even listening to a person, even with the videos that are coming out now, they're getting better and better at you just not knowing. They're so good. They're almost to the point that they can fool me. I like physically pay attention to see if it's AI. But to the average person, I've seen Joe Rogan AI videos that those are definitely working on people. Yeah, absolutely.

And people will send me they're like, what do you think of what Joe Rogan said here? I'm like, I don't think he said it. Yeah, but it's going to get to the point where even, even we can't tell. Right. I mean, I just made my digital twin the other day and it's pretty accurate. Yeah. Yeah. One of the, one of the ways that they're still being able to distinguish right

now is the iris print. You're like your eye print is, is hard to replicate. Wow. But eventually they'll probably figure that out. Right. You know, to me it's AI is going to be able to figure out anything that is able to be figured out AI will be able to do it. I'm already preparing for it because I Similar to writing I think AI is gonna take over podcasting. There's already pot AI podcast company starting up I've seen a Joe Rogan podcast where it's just him interviewing dead people with AI

Yeah, so it'd be like him and Steve Jobs stuff like that and neither one of them were speaking right? I mean, it's just yeah, and they have a, they're laughing, they're breathing, they're doing all that. It sounds pretty, pretty similar to the real podcast. So I'm already preparing, thinking of ways on how I can kind of differentiate myself from AI. I'm sure you're doing the same. Yeah, very much so in the creative space. You know, people used to think that creative space was one of the spaces that would be the last to be overtaken by by AI and we're finding that AI is able to like take creativity and and match it to the point where it's almost indistinguishable from from humans right now. Wow, that's gonna be scary for movie writers too.

Yeah, I mean, when I look at movies, like for me storytelling is about connecting. And one of the reasons I enjoy going to a movie is because I could go watch a movie that you watched or watch it with you and like have that same experience. Right. But we're entering a state where you could actually put on a headset, watch a movie made for you on the fly based on your brain patterns and feed you scenes that move your brain in certain ways. Holy crap. And so that's, that's all in the realm of what's starting to be here and we'll be here. You'll be here soon.

But when I think of that, I'm like, does that bring you connected or does that pull you away from connection? Right. Because if I see a movie with you and you and I talk about it, then we're connecting on a certain level or we read the same book we can talk about. And then it gives us a similar shared experience. If we're in our own worlds, watching our own movies, we're in a world where we're connecting on a certain level or we read the same book we can talk about. And then it gives us a similar shared experience. If we're in our own worlds watching our own movies, what does that do for connection?

Right. It's almost like that movie Ready Player One. Yeah. Like people are living in their headsets. They don't care about their physical body. That's a possibility, right? I mean, all the movies, The Matrix, Ready Player One, all those have elements of things that could happen. James Cameron, who did Terminator and many of those other movies, he was in an interview recently and he's like,

it's getting harder to write science fiction because we're actually doing all of the things. What do you decide is science fiction when it's all becoming? Right, because Star Trek is cool now, but will it be cool when those things actually exist? They'll just be normal life. I mean, you know, Star Trek is a great one to bring up because, and I love to ask this question of people, I'm like, are you a Star Trek or a Star Wars fan? Right. I'm a Star Trek fan. Because, and I'll give you my analysis of that, which is

Star Trek is based on science, meaning when they want something to happen in the Star Trek universe, they say, how with science could this work? Right. And they develop these things that have many times ultimately become reality. Right. The flip phone was the communicator in Star Trek.

Right. And many of those technologies actually end up happening because they build it around science and where Star Wars is built more on, hey, we want this to happen. So woo woo and some mythological force half of the four, you know, right? So it's more of a world that's built on like, you know, it's the spectrum of science to woo woo. So that's where if people are like Star Trek, I'm like, oh, you're science-based. If you're Star Wars, you're more on the woo woo side.

Yeah, I mean, I definitely like both, but I definitely see that. I like both, yeah. I definitely see that though. Yeah, I would say I'm more logical though when it comes to science, yeah. So you don't call AI artificial intelligence, you call it alien intelligence.

Yeah, I like the term alien intelligence and that's actually a term that Yuval Harari uses as well. Yuval Harari is one of my favorite authors. His book Nexus was my top book for 2024 and I highly recommend everyone read it. He's able to write these books. Sapiens was a fantastic book on kind of the evolution of humans to get to where we are. Nexus is kind of about connection and networks and all of those things that are really the future of what's going on.

But he talks about it as alien intelligence, which I've seen it that way as well and I agree with. And when you look at it, it is an intelligence and it's an intelligence that is not human. So it's an intelligence that we're is not human so it's an alien intelligence and if you look at it that way rather than artificial you can start to see okay how do I interact with this intelligence that maybe learns differently than I do processes differently than I do and how can I be symbiotic or synergize with this alien intelligence.

So you think there's a possibility it could develop some conscious mind, conscious thoughts? Yeah, I mean, consciousness is one of those things that we don't fully understand, right? And as humans, we believe we have intelligence and consciousness. And right now, AI is an intelligence that we, for now we say it doesn't have a conscience, right? But my personal opinion is that AI is going to challenge the way we believe about what life is, the way we believe or how we find meaning and purpose. Because when AI can do all of the things that you do, when you combine the convergence of robotics and AI and all these other things, and you have a robot that goes around

and does most of the things you do, and you have robots that do all the jobs, where do you find meaning? Where do you find value? So I do see those things as questions we should be addressing. Absolutely. Where are you at on your journey of purpose and meaning?

You know, that's a constant evolution, right? Yeah. And, you know, I found that the people that learn or spend a lot of time continually trying to grow and learn have that movement and it's constantly evolving of where they are in that space. For me, one of the quotes that has always driven me is Thoreau said, most men lead lives of quiet desperation and die with their song still inside. And I've always felt this pull or this calling to help people sing their songs while they're still alive. I love that. And that's part of why I help people go straight their stories. And Book Jedi, the name of my company, actually is an acronym. So Jedi stands for a book's journey of evolution,

disruption, and impact. And what I found without exception is that when someone writes their story, it changes them more than it changes anybody that reads it. Really? It helps them find clarity in their life. It helps them move their life in directions that they never would have done had they not taken on the exercise of writing the book. Do you ever want the recognition from the success of the stories?

You know, it's one of those interesting things, right? Like I often ask people, I'm like, if you're building your career, would you rather be Oz or Elvis? And what that means is Oz is behind the curtain making things happen, but he's still a big influence, right? Where Elvis is on stage and a big influence. So there's a lot of influence in both. And when I was young, I very much made the conscious decision that I wanted no fame. I wanted to make a lot of money and have no fame

because both of those things gave me freedom. The more fame I saw it as the more fame you had, the less freedom you had. Right. Yeah. It was definitely a trade off. Yeah. And, but I found I've always had income and impact directly correlated, right? The more income you make, the more impact you can have, the more impact you make, the more income you'll make. And I've realized over the last few years that I was holding myself back from, uh, helping more people because I was pulling back from that influence space, which is kind of that third eye of bringing in that, that recognition and that fame. So you

could actually move even more. Right. Um, I've been asked to be on some super big podcasts over the years and turn them down and, and turn down other opportunities because I was like, you know, I'm cool being the guy doing the ghost in the background. And a lot of me still loves part of that, right? There's a lot of freedom in going out and playing in that ghost space. And, you know, I've had many people that I've written books for compare me to people like Michael Jordan and things like this. And it's and the Michael Jordan of ghost, right? And whatever else they say, right? But it's interesting because it's like, I've rarely put foot on a public court and to have a brand like that is a real interesting dynamic, right? Because then you do put your foot on a real court and it's like, okay, well, what's going to happen? Like if everybody's

expecting Jordan to come out, get like yeah a little anxious about Looking at react to it. Yeah, cuz you've held off for so long. Yeah, it's been a long time Yeah, cuz you started writing how long ago so I started writing actually in high school, which was It was like mid 80s late 80s damn and I've always loved writing. I guess it's a little bit in my genes. My dad was an English professor for a while. My son who is 15 has written about 350 pages of his first novel.

Holy crap. And he wants to get it published before he's 16. So there'll be another little Hopper author out there. That's impressive, man. He might actually beat me with having his name on a book because I've only ghost written to this point and haven't put my name on the cover of any book. You're gonna need a memoir one of these days or a biography or something. And so I'm like there's a little bit of like do I let my son publish before I publish my own first one? Yeah we'll see.

Yeah hats off to guys like you behind the scenes that don't want the spotlight because I feel like that's rare these days You know, I feel like a lot of people because of social media. It's easy to compare yourself. So you kind of want the spotlight It's kind of natural right? Yeah, and it's it's definitely been an interesting dynamic for me Which I think all of us are right we you know Not to go too far on a tangent But I love the new direction of like Marvel movies where there's not like this hero and this villain. We all have these dynamics within us that move back and forth in that range.

And I've realized through assessments, which I love assessments. There's one called wealth dynamics where I actually come out of wealth dynamics as a star, which is an interesting opposition to being behind the scenes. Yeah, it's ironic, right? And as I've allowed myself to step into that space of being in front of the spotlight, more often it really creates a space of potential beauty, right? And so it is interesting to have been behind the scenes for so long and have that shifting for sure.

I like Hormozi's take on this. He saw Kim Kardashian, a bunch of people start brands and make a lot of money. Cause he was behind the scenes for a while, Alex Hormozi. And that's why he sort of came on the scene. And he just said the pros outweigh the cons basically. Yeah. Cause Because there are cons. I mean your privacy is gone, you gotta look over your shoulder, people are coming at you trying to scam you and stuff. And here's the thing about privacy though, it's gone anyway. It's gone for everyone right? I mean we are going to be analyzed

on everything we do and a lot of it is going to be driven by an alien intelligence that we don't really understand why it's even selecting some of the things it's selecting. So yeah, if you're wanting a private life, that's not a good reason to not be on stage anymore. Yeah, I look at these black mirror episodes and how many of them have come true already. It's only been a few years since it came out and the social credit score one is always like in my brain.

Yeah, I mean, it's very much a thing that's coming in, right. And how we apply that how we look at it is going to be really interesting. We look at government types and totalitarian governments often ruled by the amount of information they could know about people and one of the most effective ways they could know information about their people was to create this environment where people reported on each other. And now we have AI and other systems

that can track us more than we've ever been tracked before. And where is that power going to end up? Right now, there's this huge issue with tick tock, right? And who controls that data? And are we giving this data to another country that might not have our best interest in mind? And I look at that and I'm like, but what are we doing? Are we creating ourselves as a hero when we might actually be using that data worse than, you know, China might be being and I'm not, I'm not saying one way or the other that we are. It's just data worse than, you know, China might be being,

and I'm not saying one way or the other that we are, it's just, I love to ask questions. Like better questions lead to better lives and the way that we see things. But I look at it, I'm like, you know, Trump made a proposal that someone buy TikTok and then give half to the US government. And to me, I'm like, okay, so you're going to strong arm a company by saying

that they're worthless unless they comply with the US by giving the US half of the value of the company. I'm like, that's a dangerous precedent. And it starts to put a lot of data in the hands of the government and the more data they have, the more potential they have to control our choices and how we move, which for me is probably one of the most concerning things for me as it comes to creativity. Yeah, because I believe creatives color outside the lines and the reason we had people like Steve jobs and others like him is because they pushed the barriers and they

were outside of the range. If they had been constantly monitored on what they were doing, I don't know that they would have made the same choices, right? There's a part in your mind that if you know, there's always cameras on, you know, for a while, it really changes your behavior. And some of that behavior sticks. Ultimately, you forget a lot that cameras are on. But there's a part that always stays there, especially if your actions are being either rewarded

or punished. You'll drive a car differently if you know that there's a monitor on the car tied to your insurance. Tesla has that now. And so it's all those things. It's like, are we going to weed out creativity out of the system if we go down that path? Yeah, reminds me of public school,

how you got punished for being creative. Yeah, public school is a great example of a system that was built because we needed workers in factories, right? A lot of people forget that school as it is now basically started in the industrial age when we needed people that knew well enough how to take instructions. The model was, you know, 15 to 45 kids in front of one person who tells them what to do. And there's no like dynamic interaction or discussion. It's like, here's

the rules. Here's how you do it. The whole school system is set up like an industrial model. Yeah, it's scary. And they've done studies that show it breeds out creativity. There was one major study that was done on this where they found they took track kids through a young age up in through high school. And the percentage of creative geniuses that

were in the group went from something in the 90s to something in like 5% holy crap and and they the study concluded that the main factor was the education system that's super concerning you'll have to find out a link in the video yeah and as a writer that must have been frustrating in English class because they teach you how to write in a certain way it's got to be this amount of sentences and paragraphs. Yeah, it's like cookie cutter, right? Yeah, and I mean I Did okay in English, but it like grammar is not my thing In fact, I'm about as dyslexic as anyone I know and even very simple words can be hard for me to like air spell But I can look at a paper and I can see

kind of where it's off. So it's funny to be a writer and even an editor and have these kind of a different approach than most do. Like I'm blessed because I grew up in a family where like my father was very good with grammar. So I know what feels right, even if I don't necessarily know why it's right. Yeah. Um, but, but yeah, when it comes to spelling and things like that, like, I didn't, I didn't get great scores in, in English before I knew other languages. And now, you know, speaking Spanish, especially it's like very challenging to like spell in the first place, but.

It's fascinating how many successful people I know that have dyslexia or ADHD or autism. And I actually see them as superpowers, right? I believe every great military leader had ADHD in all of history, right? Because it allows your brain to focus on more things at once and in the battlefield, that's a huge asset. And they paint you as like disabled when you get labeled with those conditions

and then they medicate it. So it's like they're suppressing these abilities. Yeah, I went through that with my own kids and almost lost my first one because we were trying to move him into the system, medicate him into the system. And I have now shifted where I'm like, look, I am not going to medicate my kids to fit the system.

I'm gonna build what works for my kids. And I homeschool my youngest and it's not a traditional model of homeschooling, right? He's, he's 15 and his focus is right now, or he's writing his book, right? But I'm not sitting him down to do English grammar. He's just taken on this process of writing and we sit down and we go, we go over it. He watches, he loves to watch shows, and he'll deconstruct those shows as like he'll write them as a, as a story. So he'll take an episode and write that story. Like The Walking Dead is one of his favorite shows and he would take an episode and he would just write the whole thing as a narrative.

And then that's cool actually. Yeah, I mean it was super cool, but he can't he like he doesn't like to sit down and read a book yet. He would that's something he enjoyed was how to bring that out and when he would do that he would He started to get into the fan fiction side where he's like, I want to write some things for fan fiction And then after a while he was like I feel so constricted living in their universe He's like I want to start to write something in my own universe And that's what was kind of the catalyst for the book that he's doing now. Right. Yeah. So he's he's doing great

things with that book. He runs a business of breeding Bernadoodle puppies. And so he's creating value and monetary value for himself at school, but it wouldn't necessarily fit that traditional school model. Right. So it's like, how do we create a space where children can still find and grow and develop into their creative genius, rather than a system? And don't get me wrong, I love education, I fully support us trying to become better and grow and develop. I would like to see

it, you know, as to continue to ask those questions of how can we make it better? 100%. And got to realize not everyone has the same learning style, right? Your son doesn't like to read, but in school, they make you read five books a year. And not every kid wants to do that. Two of my kids loved that. Like two of my kids were, they fit the system really, really well. And two of them didn't, right? I've got four kids. My oldest and my youngest just did not fit in the system and my two middle ones Excelled in it. So it's you know, it's that same thing of everything. It's a spectrum. It depends on what what fits Yeah, that's super cool man. Well, uh chip. What are you working on next work of people keep in touch with you, man

Yeah working on a number of books right now for that are really exciting Working on a number of books right now that are really exciting. I've got some film projects that we're working on. I'm moving more out of being in that go space to actually putting my name on a few things. I kind of have that as something that feels like it's calling to me and I'm allowing that now. The best places to find me would be ChipHopper.com or ChipHop pretty much any platform out there but we'll see we'll see where those social media platforms go with AI who knows yeah we'll see man well we'll link it below check out his work guys and I'll see you next time