Digital Social Hour - Why Your Oxygen Therapy Might Be Holding You Back | Steven Scott DSH #1058

Episode Date: January 4, 2025

🔬 Discover why your oxygen therapy might be holding you back! 😮 In this eye-opening episode of Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly sits down with carbon dioxide expert Steven Scott to uncover the surprising truth about oxygen and CO2 therapy. 🧪   Learn how CO2 therapy could be the key to better health, faster recovery, and even longevity! 🏃‍♂️💪 From professional athletes to everyday wellness seekers, find out why this groundbreaking approach is gaining traction in the biohacking world.   🔥 Hot topics include: - The unexpected dangers of oxygen therapy - How CO2 therapy compares to traditional methods - The science behind naked mole rats' incredible lifespan - Potential benefits for bone healing, fat loss, and more!   Don't miss out on this game-changing conversation that could revolutionize your approach to health and wellness! 🚀 Hit that play button now and prepare to have your mind blown by the power of CO2. 🤯   Subscribe for more cutting-edge health insights and join the Digital Social Hour community! 🔔 Your journey to optimal wellness starts here. 💯   #drjasonsonners #selfimprovement #breathoffire #joerogan #carbondioxideforhealth   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:26 - How CO2 Affects Breathing 02:21 - CO2 Therapy vs Oxygen Therapy 06:25 - Breathing Techniques and Hyperventilation 08:18 - Wim Hof Method 10:41 - CO2 Therapy Benefits 15:34 - CO2 Sauna Benefits 17:33 - Pro Athletes Using CO2 Products 20:05 - CO2 Therapy Applications 23:57 - Bone Density Improvement 25:50 - NFL Teams and CO2 Therapy 27:23 - Fat Loss Strategies 29:35 - Managing Anxiety with CO2 29:50 - CO2 as an Amplifier 29:59 - CO2 in Cancer Therapy 30:46 - Where to Find CO2 Products 31:08 - Closing Remarks   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Steven Scott https://www.instagram.com/steve_scottinc https://www.instagram.com/carbogenetics https://carbogenetics.com/   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/

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Like the chance of them dying at 30 years old is the same as them dying at two years old. Really? Five years old because yeah, like most, most for most animals and humans, the older we get, the greater chance we have of dying from disease and whatnot. So they don't have that.

They don't have that. Holy crap. They don't, basically they don't age. This needs to be talked about on Joe Rogan. Yeah. Naked mole rats. I did not know they lived that long. Carbondioxide expert here today, Steven Scott. Thanks for coming on.

Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah, I just I just tried the machine and it was an interesting experience. Yeah, yeah. To say the least. What was your experience? Definitely tough breathing in there. I was trying not to hyperventilate, honestly. Yeah, yeah. So it's a bit of a mental game because we were also conversing while I was doing it. Yeah, it's hard to talk. But it probably gets easier, I assume, over time, right? It does. You build up your CO2 tolerance, which

makes it easier to breathe. So I can breathe like, I think you were like 3% or 4%. For me, because I've been doing it for a while, that'd be pretty easy. So I could hold the conversation, basically. But even for my mom, she's 75 years old, and she does the 1% or 2% and she's breathing really fast. Cause a lot of it has to do with their CO2 tolerance

cause CO2 actually is the stimulus for breathing even more than oxygen, even more than the lack of oxygen. I just say so like hypoxia is less of a stimulus to breathe than CO2. So CO2 causes you to breathe faster. Like when you exercise, you're getting more CO2 in your system. Right. I noticed that when I put it on.

I was like, why am I breathing faster? I was like, what the hell? But that makes sense. And as we get older, your oxygen levels go down, right? I wouldn't say you're act. I mean, if you look at a pulse oximeter, someone that's older, your hemoglobin saturation of oxygen should still be, when you're older, it's still going to be close to like 96 to 100,

which means all of your red blood cells are on the hemoglobin. It's holding all of the oxygen that it can hold. But potentially, like, the amount of red blood cells you have. And also, like, as you age, you have more capillary senescence. So you have less tissue perfusion to the cells. Your capillaries are kind of deteriorating as you age and you're getting less blood flow to all of your tissues and cells and whatnot.

So would this help kind of mitigate that? It would actually, yeah. There was a study done showing that the one of the things that exercise does is that it increases your capillary density and it restores capillaries that have become senescent, like become damaged and not functioning as well. And CO2 therapy is actually more effective

than oxygen according to these studies. Wow. And increasing your capillary density and also increasing your mitochondria. So it's like, CO2 itself is like a signal to create more mitochondria and create better mitochondria quality and everything. That's very interesting to me that it's more effective because I would say oxygen therapy is more mainstream.

It is, yeah. Not many people really know about CO2 therapy. It's been around like for people who are doing CO2 therapy for probably like hundreds of, I mean, centuries actually. Really? Yeah. Wow. I mean, if you look at natural springs,

like in ancient Greek times, biblical times, people built cities around these natural springs and people would go there to receive healing and they would sit in these baths and they were found to be naturally high and very high in carbon dioxide. Interesting, so they just didn't know the science behind it. They didn't know the science,

but they noticed the effect of it and they would actually literally build cities around these springs. Holy crap, so warm springs have high amounts of carbon dioxide in them? Yeah, certain ones do, yeah. Okay, that's good to know. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Go on. Yeah, there's also, historically, there's in the 1700s, there was actually, they started, even at the very beginning when they first started to understand carbon dioxide and what it is. There was a book written in 1792 where they had two women with ulcerated breast tumors.

And they built some contraption where they would put like 100% CO2 on the tumor. And it actually, for one of the women, it actually caused the tumor to completely reverse. Whoa. And for the other woman, it never cured the cancer for that woman, but for both of them, it significantly reduced the pain, because there was a lot of pain associated with this ulcerated breast tumor coming out of their skin and whatnot.

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credibility is James Nestor. I've heard of him, actually. Yeah, he wrote Breath. Right. And he talks about breathing in a certain way where you retain more carbon dioxide. And he talks a little bit about carbon dioxide in his book, but not in depth.

Yeah, because certain breathwork techniques, I'm assuming, kind of follow this principle, right? Certain ones do, like, especially Buteyko. Like, Buteyko method is you breathe very gently and slowly. So you're breathing in a certain way to retain more carbon dioxide. And he was a Russian physician back in the 1950s. And he discovered that

his chronically ill patients, they would tend to hyperventilate. So the more chronically ill they were, the more they tended to hyperventilate. And so he thought, what if I slow my breathing down? And he did, and he himself, he had very high blood pressure, he had heart problems, he tried everything to like resolve those and just by slowing down his breath

and retaining more CO2 he was able to overcome his high blood pressure it became normalized and he overcame a lot of his health issues and he um he basically coordinated him became almost superhuman he like required less sleep he had more energy was able to more resilient to stress and everything like that and yeah breath work is powerful man I've seen some interesting techniques. I've seen one where you only have, you breathe once a minute. Oh, once a minute, okay. You do that for, I think, 30 to 60 minutes.

Yeah, that's like an extreme version of, like, we take a breathing. Okay. So that way you're retaining more carbon dioxide. You're building up your CO2 tolerance. Yeah, yeah, people have reported like hallucinations on that method. Pretty crazy, right? Yeah, I mean, hallucinations on that method.

Pretty crazy, right? Yeah, I mean, that method, it might be, do the hallucinations might be more from lack of oxygen, potentially, if you're using up all of your oxygen and then you're getting less oxygen to your tissues. Have you seen that breath work where you like, they do it for trauma work like that, and hypoventilating, like breathing really fast. Box breathing, right?

Box breathing, that's more like you breathe in for four seconds, you breathe out for four seconds. Yeah. You do, there's like some certain like trauma work where you go to these workshops and you go like. Oh yeah, I've seen clips of that. Yeah, yeah. So is that good or no?

For some people it can cause a seizure potentially. Holy crap. So you're actually getting more oxygen when you do that. You would think you're like, oh, I'm getting more oxygen, I'm getting more oxygen to my cells, but actually the opposite is happening. You're getting less oxygen to your cells.

Like oxygen by itself will create vasoconstriction. So it means you're getting, all of your arterial system is restricting. So you're getting less oxygen to your tissues. And if you do it for a long period of time, your fingers will start curling up and some people could have a seizure. Holy crap.

And I think it partially releases trauma from cutting off circulation to the frontal cortex of your brain. So you're opening up some of the areas of your brain that you were suppressing before, some of the more primal areas of the brain. So you're like opening up like some of the areas of your brain that you were suppressing before, some of the more primal areas of the brain. And so some of those like, those memories and feelings aren't being suppressed by your frontal cortex,

like your consciousness. That's interesting. What do you think of the Wim Hof method? Some people use that method, they hold their breath for like five minutes. Is that good, do you think? Yeah, I think it's pretty effective. And I think the Wim Hof method also

has to do with intermittent hypoxia. So you're also kind of hyperventilating that too a little bit. And so you're creating this hypoxia in the body from breathing more. But sometimes that's good because when you do hypoxia intermittently, you're killing off some of the weak mitochondria, you could say. So the effects of doing that type of breathing or if you do intermittent hypoxia, what you're

doing is you're killing off some of the weak mitochondria, which seems to be beneficial. And hypoxia itself will also help build more capillary density. It will create angiogenesis. Like hypoxia itself will also help build more capillary density. It will create angiogenesis. So you're basically creating more vasculature to the tissues and everything. So it can be beneficial, but for some people, it could be dangerous, especially elderly people.

If you look at, this happens in anesthesia sometimes. I have a friend, Louis Coleman, he wrote a book called 50 Years Loss of Medical Advance. And he has a method of anesthesia where he, he actually builds up people's CO2 levels. And most of the time in anesthesia, you're like, you're giving the patient oxygen, you're kind of hyperventilating them.

So they're actually getting less oxygen to their tissues. And then for older people, you're basically, like our body tends to store CO2. Like the average person has like 130 liters of CO2 in their body at any time. And oxygen, we don't store oxygen, even though it's so essential to life. You don't store any oxygen because it's toxic.

Interesting. I didn't know that. So oxygen is toxic. It is, yeah. Because when people think of oxygen, they assume life, like you're breathing in life. Right. It's toxic. It creates free radicals, reactive oxygen species.

Whoa. If you just think about like rusting. So if you stayed in a hyperbaric chamber long term, it'd be bad for you? Yeah. I mean, it does have some good effects. But some people, especially with chronic fatigue syndrome and other things like that, they tend not

to do well with hyperbaric oxygen therapy. So hyperbaric oxygen therapy, compared to CO2 therapy, it's more of a forceful method of pushing oxygen into your blood plasma and into your tissues. And then CO2 therapy, what it's doing, it's increasing, so oxygen creates vasoconstriction, what I talked about before,

so it's like closing up the vasculature, you're getting less blood flow to your tissues, and CO2 actually opens that up, so you're getting more blood flow to your tissues, and CO2 is causing the oxygen from the hemoglobin to be released into the tissues, and CO2 also, it's a Lewis acid, so it slightly withdraws electrons

from proteins in the cells, and so it slightly acidifies the proteins in the cells. So it actually makes cells more hungry for oxygen, so it's actually pulling oxygen into the cells. Wow. And so it's doing it in a way, and CO2 has also been found to be probably one of the greatest antioxidants.

So it's protective against the toxicity of oxygen. It's protective against the free radicals and the reactive oxygen species and whatnot. Interesting. I mean, there can be some, like, reactive oxygen species as a signaling molecule. So there's some benefits to it. But an over amount of them is, like,

probably a big reason for aging and whatnot. Sounds like there's a lot of benefits to this, man. No, no, there really is. Crazy. Have you seen any adverse effects, any of your clients, or anything? Some people, if they overdo it, they could get a headache, potentially.

It's definitely something you don't want to overdo. It could create respiratory acidosis. So it's something you want to do like five or 10 minutes here or there, even 20 minutes. But I wouldn't do it for a long period of time. We've done some research where we've taken some mice and we've exposed them to, we've had them at like 10% CO2 for extended periods of time

and they tend to adapt to that, but it's, I mean, your body is always producing carbon dioxide. So it's not a toxin. It's something that your body can use. Got it. But you can overdo it and you can kind of feel the symptoms of it coming on when you're starting to overdo it.

Yeah, 10%, cause you had me at 4%, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 10, oh my gosh, that would have been tough. It is tough, yeah, yeah. What are you at? I can do 8% pretty easily. Damn. So you did double what I just did, that's crazy.

I won't say it's easy, like when I do it, I breathe pretty rapidly, which is beneficial in itself, because there was a, when you breathe deeply like that, you're breathing is deeply like that, your breathing is actually like a, I learned this from Steven Elliott. Yeah. So breathing is a circulatory, is a cardiovascular function.

So it's basically when you're breathing in deeply, when you're breathing in, you're creating this like vacuum, and it's pulling in the venous blood and it's creating a lymphatic action so you're actually just helping to pull the toxins away from the cellular environment and then when you're exhaling it's actually pushing the blood so it's so in addition to the heartbeat there's also this the Stephen Elliott calls it a Valsava wave so in addition to the heartbeat, there's also this, there's this Valsava wave that follows the breathing pattern. When you're shallow breathing, you're not creating this.

There's no Valsava wave at all. So CO2 causes you're breathing deeply through this thoracic pump almost, you're doubling the speed of the blood through the tissues. So you're getting more tissue perfusion and oxygenation to the cells. And that's one of the benefits of exercise is getting that you're getting more waste products removed. And one aspect of disease is that in diabetes or cancer, there is this pH gradient.

Normally the pH gradient is the cells, inside of the cell it's more acidic. In the outside of the cell environment it's more alkaline. And when you get towards like diabetes and then more so towards cancer, that pH gradient flips, so the inside of your cell is becoming more alkaline and the outside of your cell is becoming more acidic. And I think that one of the reasons that happens, I mean, there's many reasons why that happens, but one thing that contributes to it is

your blood becomes more stagnant, you're not exercising, you're not breathing faster, so you're not getting like this good blood flow through your system. So the breathing can actually cause this blood flow and the waste products aren't, one of the causes of the acidity around the cell is the waste products build up,

like the lactic acid and whatnot. And when you're breathing deeply, it helps to remove the waste products from the extracellular environment from outside. Yeah. That's good to know. What about sauna when you're in there? Does that remove any waste products?

It does. Yeah, it does it in a different way though. Yeah. Different way? From sweating, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm a fan of sauna, man. Yeah, yeah.

I do it like five days a week. I feel great after. No, I love sauna too. Do you do the red light or do you do the regular one? I do the red light. I do it like five days a week. I feel great after. No, I love sauna too. Do you do the red light or do you do the regular one? I do the red light. I do the far infrared. I actually have a device I developed that's gonna be released soon that I've been using it,

but it actually, you're surrounded by infrared panels. Your head is out of it, but it fills up with 100% CO2. Wow. It's like a CO2 bath, but you're also getting the benefits of the infrared. And you're also getting the additional benefit that when you heat up your skin and when you create sweat, it actually causes greater absorption of CO2 transdermally.

So it's like you're getting all the benefits of the heat, the light and everything, and also the CO2. I haven't heard of anything like that. The sun's unique. Yeah, it doesn't exist. You might have to get a patent on that one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the biohacking space, you never

know what's a trend and what's going to last. Yeah. Like CBD was a trend. Like it didn't last. Right, yeah. One of the trends that has been lasting longer than I thought it would is the cold water therapy. Cold plunge?

Yeah, I mean, because it's so uncomfortable that's. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that one. Yeah, I'm not a fan either. I've heard it reduces your ability to build muscle and stuff like that. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow, I just, yeah, it's not worth it.

The risk to reward isn't there for me on that one. Yeah, yeah. You know? I mean, the benefits to me are more the mental benefits of building up the resilience to be able to handle a difficult situation. So it might help you in your daily life to handle other difficult situations.

I could see that. Yeah, mentally it definitely helps. But yeah, these companies are charging $5,000 to $10,000 for a cold plunge these days. It's nuts. It's crazy. If I'm going to do it, I'll just hop in my pool or hop in the cold shower.

Yeah, exactly. $10,000 on a cold plunge? Come on now. I'd rather they do something fun, like go in the lake or ocean and do like surfing or something and yeah Water is cold, but you're having fun though for real any pro athletes using this the stuff that you know Yeah, I've got some professional football players. I actually had a I know in Vegas a couple weeks ago. You had a The Olympia bodybuilding show. Yeah, and I had someone, he asked me if he could use the products. He mostly used my suit, which is a suit you go into

and use it transdermally. And he used that, and then I gave him the breathing machine like a couple weeks before the show, or like two or three weeks before the show, and he won the whole thing. He won the whole thing. Holy crap. So you could take partial credit for that. I mean, he's been working on it for 17 years,

but he said it did play a big role for him because after his workouts, he would do the bath and he said it reduced inflammation throughout his whole body. Whoa. He felt better the next day, so he could work out harder the next day and everything like that. So it's that quick.

It's that quick, yeah. I had this cancer researcher in Italy. She had an injury in her arm, and she has an ultrasound machine. And she did the ultrasound on her injury, and she saw all this inflammation and all that. And she did the CO2 bath. And right afterwards, immediately, she

looked at it, and the inflammation was like, great. No way. So it's that quick, because there's a lot of stuff that takes time. It does. This has. So it's that quick, because there's a lot of stuff that takes time. It does. This has immediate benefits of reduction in inflammation, like getting more oxygen into your cells. But it also has long-term effects

of creating more capillary density and more mitochondria. Changes like, depending on how you're working out, it'll help you build, change your like muscle fiber types like fast twitch versus like slow twitch based on what you're doing and stuff like that. Yeah because I was a distance runner so we relied on slow twitch but sprinters are fast twitch right? So this helps with both of those? It does yeah. Wow so it could be all sorts of athletes can use this type of stuff then not just one sport. Oh yeah definitely and a lot of athletes that tend to be like very,

they have a different, they're like stimulated all the time, so they have trouble relaxing. And the suit, it's like, it's so relaxing. And you just like, I've had people go in there, like we're at a big convention or something, and there's like noise all around, and they're like, they're like out. They knock out?

In minutes, yeah. Dang, I can't wait to use it. I got one at the house now. But they use it for relaxing and stuff like that. So it's more like a recovery thing, use it after you work out? Yeah, more recovery and then it does help like, yeah, I'd say more recovery.

Some people do the breathing while they're working out and it helps them like do like more weights and stuff like that and more reps. Really? Holy crap, I'm excited. How'd you stumble across this stuff? It's not like a conventional route. do more weights and stuff like that and more reps. Holy crap, I'm excited. How'd you stumble across this stuff? It's not like a conventional route. Yeah, actually I talked about it before, Konstantin Buteyko, who developed the Buteyko breathing method.

So I started reading his work and he had such amazing effects with the CO2 and then I started reading about CO2 therapy and medicine and it's been like around historically. While there's actually a book written in 1905, it was called Carbondyxide in Medicine and it talked about the use of carbon dioxide in the early 1900s and 1800s. And they would use CO2 for all kinds of things like for PMS, for asthma, for heart issues and all that.

And they had one, they talked about one case of a rheumatic patient, which is like inflammation of the joints and connective tissue. And he couldn't walk for, he couldn't use any of his limbs for like two or three years, it said in the book. And after the 15th bath, they had him do the CO2 baths. And after the 15th bath, he was able to start walking again. What?

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Holy crap. I'm not promising anything like that. It's... Yeah, I know. He could have done other stuff too, potentially, but... Yeah, no, that's still nuts. I wonder why this hasn't taken off yet.

I wonder if guys like Dave Asprey and Brian Johnson have seen this thing or Huberman. Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of interesting because it's, to me it's one of the greatest, I know like Dave Asprey, Brian Johnson, they're into longevity. And to me, CO2 is probably the most powerful therapy

that there is for longevity. If you look at like the naked mole rats, for example, they live like 35 years compared to like a regular mouse lives like one and a half to two years. So they're living like 16, 17 times longer than the regular mouse. And one unique thing about their environment is they have very high CO2 levels like from five to like 13% CO2. Why is it so high in their environment? Because they live underground and they breathe off CO2

as a metabolic byproduct. And they, it just builds up in those environments. Interesting. So animals that live underground, I'd love to see a study on animals that live underground compared to animals above ground. Yeah, I haven't really looked into all animals that live underground, but I know these,

for some reason their environment is particularly high in CO2. I'm not sure if that's the case for all animals that live underground. They basically don't age they don't get they don't get cancer like the chance of them dying at 30 years old the same as them dying at two years old really five years old because Yeah, like most most for most animals and humans the older we get the greater chance We have of dying for a disease and what not and so they don't have that they don't have that. Holy crap They don't basically don't age this needs to be talked about on Joe Rogan. Yeah Morats I did not know they lived that long Yeah, are those the ones without eyes?

um Honestly, I'm not sure. Yeah, I think I'd know it's like I think they think skin and stuff. Yeah, they're like they're pretty They're pretty ugly. Yeah. Yeah, they're super ugly. My fiance. They're huge fear of them. Oh, she does massive really? Yeah, that's interesting rats in general people aren't like fans of fans of. Yeah, they don't tend to live around this area, I don't think. No, I've never seen one. They're more in Africa, but. Oh, they're in Africa. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Yeah, scientists need to study those instead of regular rats. Yeah, yeah. For sure. They need to get those in the lab. Yeah, there's other animals too, like certain bats that live in caves, which have high CO2 levels. It's the same thing.

They live a really long time. Holy crap. So there's a direct correlation between. There is. They also have less oxygen in there too. So there's that aspect as well. So you're not getting as much of the oxidative damage from having too much oxygen. So it's a combination of the CO2.

So CO2 has the benefits of its own. And I think there's probably something to the lower levels of oxygen as well, potentially, and the adaptions that happen to them because of that. Crazy. What if someone broke a bone? Would this help them recover quicker?

Oh, yeah. It's huge. It's actually there's quite a lot of studies showing that happens in fracture repair and bone healing. And CO2 is actually, when you have more CO2 than you need, it's actually stored in the bone. It helps build bone strength and whatnot.

Wow. There's actually a group of people bone, it helps build bone strength and whatnot. There's actually a group of people called something, Petrosa, I forget what it's called, but it's called marble bone disease. And it's people that retain very high levels of carbon dioxide, and their bones become super hard. It's called marble bone disease because their bones become super hard like marble, basically. So CO2 levels will help increase your bone density. So someone has like, getting older,

and they're afraid of osteoporosis and stuff. I think that CO2 could be very beneficial for that. Oh, for sure. Even myself. I don't know if it's, I've never done a, have you done a DEXA scan before? I've done a DEXA scan. Yeah.

I've done a lot of them recently, because I was trying to lose some weight, and I was making sure that I wasn't losing muscle mass when I was losing the weight. And my bone density is off the charts. Really? It's like the, I can't think of the name of the score right now, but it's like, like 0 is normal,

and mine was like 2 is in the 99th percentile or something. Wow. I don't know if it was like that before doing CO2 therapy, or if it's from the CO2 therapy, I can't say that, but. Yeah, that would have been interesting to see if it helped raise it, right? Yeah, yeah. But some people have really fragile bones.

Like I know people that have broken their bones like 10 times. So something like this might help them, right? Yeah, no, it definitely helps them because it helps build bone strength and it also helps create more blood flow to the bones, more microvasculature to the bones, like taking everything. So is gonna be very beneficial. You gotta hit up some NFL teams. Yeah Those guys need this. Yeah, I've got one guy right now. He just bought a couple weeks ago

He's on the Seattle Seahawks. Oh nice. He's using it and he loves it Yeah, cuz I feel like recovery also prevention in a way if it's helping the bones get stronger Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're less likely to get a fracture in the first place. Yeah, that's massive. And these guys are making a lot of money. So if they get a bad injury, they're out for the whole season. This could help them a lot. Oh yeah, it's huge.

Yeah. I mean, I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan. Like some of our favorite players are always getting injured every year. So even the NBA, it could be huge too. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Bucks got a good team. They do. This year, they're not doing it. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Bucks got a good team. They do.

This year they're not doing it. Slow start this year. Slow start. What happened, you think? They have the same roster, so it doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I don't know what's happening. It's a good question. Hopefully they'll pull it around.

Yeah, I'm wondering if other teams got better. Because they have the same team. Right, pretty much the same team, yeah. It's not the same team that they won the championship with, but it's a lot of the similar same players, but it's... They lost to Pat Conantin, right? Yeah, they lost to Pat Conantin. I'm a Notre Dame fan, so he was one of my favorite players.

Yeah, yeah. But injuries have plagued him, like Middleton, every year he's getting injured. Middleton. I'll try to hit him up for you to get him one of these. He should, yeah. He's getting older now though. He is, yeah.

Late 30s, I feel like that's tough to compete with these 20 year olds. I think this could help extend the life of an athlete too. They could play into later years. Absolutely. You said you were trying to lose fat loss. Was this helping out with that too? It does actually help speed up your metabolic rate. So it definitely helps speed up fat loss. There's another method called carboxy therapy where they inject CO2 into your skin and it helps

with wrinkles and stuff like that and like stretch lines. Stretch marks. Stretch marks. And they did a study for fat loss too. They injected it into people's stomachs and their thighs and they lost four centimeters compared to the control group just from the CO2 injections. Just from CO2. Yeah, yeah, because it increases the metabolic rate. Increasing blood flow and increasing the vasculature of the area and everything like that,

because the fat tissue is very hypoxic. It's very little blood flow, less blood flow than other areas. Damn. This is like nature's miracle. It is. I mean, I like that it's natural. Like I'd rather take this in a pill. Oh yeah, definitely.

Yeah, it's natural. It's something your body produces. To me, it's the closest thing there is to exercise in a bottle, essentially, because it doesn't have all the benefits of exercise, but it has very, it has some of the benefits of exercise. And you can do it multiple times per day, where exercise, so it's helping getting rid of waste products and whatnot, and helping the blood flow through the system.

And you're doing that without building up additional waste products. With exercise, you're getting the same thing, but you that without building up additional waste products. With exercise you're getting the same thing but you're also building up additional waste products. You're building up more lactic acid, more of the other waste products from exercising. But this is creating that removal of waste from the cellular environment without building up additional waste products.

And you can do it like, like I said, I do it like, for me I do it two to four times a day. You could do it once per day and get benefit. I'm not saying you should replace it like, like I said, I do like, for me, I do it two to four times a day. You could, you can do it once per day and get benefit. I'm not saying you should like replace it with exercise. People exercise by itself is like super healthy and important and has other benefits outside of this. But this does have some of the benefits of exercise. That's cool.

I love exercise for stress release. Oh yeah, definitely. So I play in a couple of basketball leagues and I just feel amazing after, especially hitting the sauna after the games. Yeah, it just, I don't know if this would help with stress, but exercise with stress has been great for me. Yeah, yeah.

I have someone using it that he said it basically eliminated his anxiety. What? Oh my gosh. How many things does this stuff do? Well, it's gonna, I mean, it's to help any other therapy you're going to do. It's going to help it work better. And so it's like an amplifier.

It's like an amplifier, yeah. OK. I mean, it has its own benefits in and of itself, but it's also an amplifier of other things too. And actually, in cancer therapy, sometimes people use it with chemotherapy or radiation therapy. Oh, wow. It improves the benefits.

It improves the effectiveness of those therapies quite a lot. Because chemo is really intense. It is. Yeah, it's super intense. Like it's super taxing on the body. Right. So potentially using this with chemo or radiate. I'm not prescribing this for anyone.

Yeah. Or going back to the doctor. But potentially, because it increases the effectiveness, potentially you could use less chemotherapy. Oh, nice. Yeah, because some people are on it for months, right? And that's super damaging to the body. Right, yeah, yeah, it's very damaging to the body.

I'm not a, if I had cancer, I don't know if I'd try to, try to do natural first, but. Same. No, I would try to do natural. Chemo would be like a last resort for me. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because it's killing all your good cells too, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's killing your good cells,

your cancer cells and everything. Yeah, well dude, where can people find cells, your cancer cells, and everything. Yeah. Well, dude, where can people find this product and keep in touch with you? Yeah, if they go to Carbogenetics.com. Or I'm also on Instagram, Carbogenetics. Search for that. Perfect.

Yeah, if you want, I could put a discount code out there too. Yeah, we'll put a link in the description. OK, cool. Yeah, and the YouTube video, and on Spotify. Check out the link, guys. Anything, and the YouTube video and on Spotify, check out the link guys. Anything else you want to close off with? No, I just say, I would encourage people just to study this therapy more

and maybe go to my websites, check out some of the articles, do some research. Cause I think it'd be a very powerful therapy and maybe talk with your doctor or whatever and maybe incorporate it into what you're doing. Yeah, it'd be cool if they can try it out somewhere wherever they live first before they commit to spending money. Hopefully there's spots that do that.

Yeah, yeah, someday we'll maybe we'll have like centers in different areas like how they have like oxygen therapy places and stuff like that. Yeah, those are popping up for sure. I'll try to get you in the wellness center here. Yeah, that would be amazing. Perfect, I'll line that up. Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, no, appreciate it. It was fun. Thanks for watching guys. Check out the links below. See you next time.

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