Dinner’s on Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson - Golda Rosheuvel – on Finding Her Way Through ‘Bridgerton’ Fame, Love & Anxiety

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

'Bridgerton’ star Golda Rosheuvel joins the show. Over Thai delights, we talk about becoming famous in mid-life after nabbing the role of Queen Charlotte in ‘Bridgerton’ and the way it changed her life. We also get into meeting her wife and how that relationship keeps her grounded, and how she ended up starting a bakery with her family – which has won awards for its sourdough. Plus, how being dyslexic has shaped the way she prepares for roles. This episode was recorded at The Begging Bowl in Peckham, London. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey, it's Jesse. Greetings from London. I thought while I was here, I should probably try and have a meal with an actual queen. So we have Queen Charlotte herself from Bridgeton. It's Golda Rochafel. If they ever kill me off, I'd like it to be all the ton in black. And I'd like, as the coffin goes, flashes of every single wig that I've worn. Yes.

From season one to the end pops up. This is Dinner's On Me, and I'm your host, Jesse. see Tyler Ferguson. Today I'm dining at the Begging Bowl in London. It's in a charming, posh part of the neighborhood Peckham, and it serves a deliciously reliable Thai food in an adorable setting. It's a sun-drenched indoor, outdoor space, so it's nice for this time of year. And so many things are making my mouth water. So Golda should be getting here soon. Let's get to the conversation. Are you going to order now? Well, we can, yeah. Well, why don't you talk us through some things?

Yeah. I mean, you can start with some small dishes. Like a better leaf, it's a small, like a bite. Yes, lovely. I would do the steak and the spring greens. Maybe the salad as well. Yeah, let's do that. Do you want anything else? No, let's start there, yeah.

Yeah, that sounds good. Maybe some rice as well. Yeah, so the rice is coming. Just me need to stick your ice is for sharing. and then it's limitless so we top it up anything off the children's menu Golda children's menu some homemade

maybe actually ice cream sounds very good okay no we're good yeah yeah yeah no I'm fine I'm fine thank you sweetheart looks so good I'm so excited sure yeah we're not thanks

thank you thank you would you say that your first love was theater well I know you also wanted to be an athlete when you were a kid yeah yeah yeah yeah And sport has always been played a, you know, a really important part in it.

You know, people always ask, they'll probably ask you as well, how do you learn your lines? Yes. You know what I mean? How do you, you know, kind of retain all of that stuff? And I explain it through the prism of being an athlete. An athlete trains and trains and trains, whatever muscle is needed for them to execute their particular thing, right? Whether you're a runner, it's your legs, you know, shot put, javelin, whatever, your arms, your shoulder, all that kind of stuff. We had the brain.

Yeah. Which is a muscle. Yeah. Right? So we train and we train and retrain and retrain and retrain and retrain and we train that muscle. Yeah. And that's how we can sustain and by, by, I'm dyslexic. Yes.

Profoundly dyslexic. So there are tools that I need to put in place that I've learned in, you know, my many years of being, being a storyteller that I need, sometimes I use music, sometimes I use visual stuff, sometimes I use a repeat and recall. Colors are really good. Fluorescent pink is my colour. So as you're training the muscle,

you find the tools that you can put in your bag that whenever a script comes along, you go, okay, that tool is great for this, what does that character need? My characters, I always kind of try and ask my characters what they need to be able to enter into my physical form. So, like, Queen Charlotte is music. Yeah.

So whenever I'm learning stuff, and I don't know why music, it just makes my brain do that. But I was doing the drama and the singing and all that kind of stuff alongside. So I was like, Bugsie Malone in Bugsie Malone in my school, you know. production, do you know what I mean, that kind of stuff. Yeah. And my mom played the violin in the Lambeth Orchestra. My dad played the bass, the guitar, the piano, the clarinet, the... So you were raised amongst...

Yeah, all of that stuff. All of that stuff. But music, going to the theatre and opera and classical and all kinds of jazz and reggae, all that kind of stuff was there in my home. Right, like a melting pot of everything. 100%. Was your father involved in the church? Yes, he was a priest, Church of England priest.

Okay, okay. And your parents met... They met singing in a choir in Barbados. Interesting. My mom was over there. My great uncle, so my mom's uncle, actually became Archbishop of Jamaica. Wow.

Yeah, we had religion and teachers in our family. So a lot of my family are priests, yeah, bishops, that kind of stuff. Oh, so interesting. And then my mom was a social worker, and then we had like English teachers and stuff like that one. And so you were born in... I was born in Guyana. Okay.

Yeah, in Georgetown, Guyana. And we moved here in 1975. Okay, so... Well, we got kicked out of the country. Did you? Tell me about that. My father preached against the government. Wow.

And we were told to leave with 20 quid each and the clothes we stood in. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Wow. So, because my mom was English. They thought about going to America But because my mom was English

They decided to Yeah Move here And your mom is white Your dad is black Yes Yes okay Do you remember

What I mean your life before you moved to England Do you Not really, no Are there snapshots at you Yeah real kind of snapshots Of You know

A house on stilts Because of flooding Yeah Right We had a nanny We had a couple of dogs But other than that Yeah, it's

It is just snapshots of Do you remember earlier? And stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom and dad used to tell stories about Because my dad back in Guyana He used to preach to the indigenous people And the indigenous people were in the bush

So they had to hike for days To reach them, to give them communion. So my mom would tell stories of putting me tying me to her back and taking the boat up the river and then hiking through the jungle

to go and give communion to the indigenous Christian. And this journey would take days? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like I can't even fail it, but it sounds like something you read out of a book and you were part of that journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible.

Now for a quick break, but don't go away. When we come back, a Golda opens up about how a chance night out led to meeting the woman who would become her wife, how Bridgerton transformed their lives, and the unexpected challenges that came with sudden fame. Okay, be right back. We've been doing a lot of traveling as a family lately. I just wrapped up my run as King Herod and Jesus Christ Superstar in London. And then afterwards we escaped to the coast of Spain for a few days, which was great. Beckett and Sully have basically become these little beach kids. And, you know,

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Yes, I do. She'll hate it, but I'm going to. Good, let's do it. I'll talk about my husband if you want. First of all, how did you, too, me? We met, there's this, used to be this club, it's not there anymore. God, I can't believe I'm saying that. It was called the Dog Star in Brickston.

The Dogs? The Dog Star. Star, okay. And it was this great club. with loads of different floors. And I had been single for about four years. Okay. I'd had a really bad break up, put myself in therapy, do you know what I mean?

Like really worked on myself, was coming out of that. I was kind of doing the online dating and hating it. And my friend, it was my friend's birthday party. And I thought, oh God, okay, been invited to this thing. It's walking distance, might as well go. as well going, well, we're dancing away, and it's great. And we had this, like, little section for her birthday. And the music was banging, just great music.

Everybody's dancing. And this girl is there, a young girl, like, shaved, you know, the hair, whatever that cut is, is, shaved him with, like, the long. Uh-huh. And we're kind of dancing, you know, and she has such an attitude on her, like, real attitude. Uh-huh. And it's like two o'clock in the morning. I only was going there for like an hour, do you know what I mean?

Two o'clock in the morning, still talking to this girl. And I said, oh gosh, I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. It's way past my bedtime. So she walks me to the top of the road and slams one kiss on my lips. I clasped my pearls. And then she walked back to the thing.

And I was like, okay. Was there a vibe at all? There was a vibe. There was a vibe. I was like freaking out because it was like my first encounter after four years of like, I'm gonna, you know. When you were talking with her,

did you feel like you were flirting? Kind of, yes. I think I'd forgotten how to do it. Do you know what I mean? Being out of the game for a little while. And we swapped numbers. I did do that. so I went off a thing

and then we started kind of texting and we decided we'd go on a date so we arranged this date and I'm late I'm late for this date and I'm on the bus and we were meeting at the South Bank I'm on the bus sorry I'm going to be late and so she says that's fine

I'm going to send you clues and you're going to have to find me so I'm like my interest is per Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I said, okay, fine, great, great. She tends me, I'm at the blah, blah, blah, in the blue thing and the red thing, whatever the thing said. I can't remember.

So I get to the South Bank Center and I go to the box office. Uh-huh. And I say, I'm on a date. I've got this thing. Can you help me? Because I know she's in the building somewhere, like. Anyway, they are like trying to work out, helping me out, blah, blah, blah. And they said, oh, finally they said, oh, we think she's in the building.

bookroom, I said, fine. And they said, bring her back because we want to meet her. So I went up, met her, took her back to the box office and I said, this is my date. Thank you very much. And then we spent the hot, we just walked and walked and walked and walked and walked and walked and walked just talking and went and had dinner, walked again and just spent like hours with each other, which was great. It was a slow burn, a real slow, beautiful burn. Um, which ended up in her asking me out officially, officially asking me to be her girlfriend. Like four months, six months later.

And I said yes. And I remember, I was in Campbellwell, just around the corner from where we live now. And Nev Campbell is a dear, dear friend. Do you know Nev? I know Nev. She's like my best friend in the whole world, my sister, you know. And I remember walking to the bus stop and I called,

her and I was like oh my god this woman has asked me out she's asked me to be her girlfriend what am I going to do la la la and literally never is like talking me down off the ledge and you know you don't have to marry her it's just you know okay okay five five and 13 years later three years married we we live in candlewall wow yeah I love that oh my goodness Thank you. The pickles. Yes.

Which I taught, the chive cakes. Wow, Jessie, look at that. Wow. And this, you can just fold it. Can you eat the leaves? Yeah, so fold it all together and just eat it in one bite. One light. Okay, okay.

And this is the Gatling rice. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. This looks amazing. It does look amazing. Cheers. Cheers.

Cheers. Mmm. Oh, wow. Well, that's delightful. Oh, my God. Right? It's not great. Oh, my God. Wow. I haven't had Thai food in so long. I'm just such a treat. So I was going to ask for Bridgeton, you two had already been together for a while. Oh, yeah, absolutely. For like five, six years, maybe something like that. Maybe a little less. Yeah. Yeah. So it is helpful. that we were together when before it all went crazy. Yeah. Sometimes she still holds onto the old days,

which can be a little difficult. What does she miss about the, like just anonymity? Yes, anonymity, but also, you know, she's very, very good with money and all that kind of stuff, and just really responsible in that way. So it's things like, and, you know, I don't want to sound like a wanker, but it's things like having to travel

in a different seat than you used to, do you know what I mean? And flying to Europe for 400 pounds now rather than 50 pounds. Right, right, right, right. Do you know what I mean? That because, Sadly, sometimes I have anxiety about traveling, about people looking at me because they do.

They do. Unfortunately, being in the public eye now, my senses, I will know when somebody over there, a mile away goes, and I know that they've recognized me. And that anxiety, you know, there are things that have happened. you know, as Bridgeton has been going on and we've been filming, that have not been pleasant. And you've had to deal with it or whatever,

and she's been there on some occasions. Like we were chased in Barcelona by a few girls, and that was really weird and scary. And, you know, we were on holiday. And, yeah, it was just bizarre. And so there's that kind of stuff. and it's, I get it, I really do get it, but it's, you know, it's like, well,

we get paid enough to be able to keep ourselves safe. Yeah. And unfortunately that has to happen. Yeah. It's difficult. That was actually bringing that up. That is a crazy thing about the first year of modern family for me because I wasn't someone who was,

well known and we all were being paid different prices because you know certain people were very famous and certain people were not I was one of the people who was not and um I wasn't getting paid as much as other actors but yeah we were all on this thing together that was this juggernaut and that people were recognizing us from and I found things like having to you know I wasn't always able to afford what I needed to do to keep myself safe in that first year

so when renegotiations came up and I was feeling a little bit guilty about asking for more I was like no I deserve this because what the job is now is requiring different things from me and I need to be able to support that and so

but that was that first year was it's hard to navigate if you are you know, I love riding my bike around. I love going on the bus. I love being in community. Yeah, me too. You know? That's the way we were brought up.

No. It's part of my DNA. So to not be able to do that on some occasions is difficult. It's really, really difficult. But you have to understand that it's part of the job. It's part of that. Do you think you would... Because this moment for you came in your 40s with Bridgetton.

Do you think that experience with life and just having a relationship helps? Or is it harder because you have had so much time to do what you loved doing with the luxury of anonymity? Younger? No, I'd be dead. Because I was wild. I was too wild for my own. good. So I am

the majority of me is really grateful that it came at this time. The only thing that I'm a little bit like, because it's a younger person's game now, it's very much the Instagram, the social media, all that kind of stuff, which I do, love doing, great, it's fun.

There's a lot of pressure on the kids nowadays to have that, to be that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And I wish part of it would have happened younger. Yeah. Knowing what I know now. Being sober now, being, you know, all of that kind of stuff.

Yeah. Having all of that. Yeah. Maybe 10 years earlier would have been good. Because then I think the opportunities, those kind of younger opportunities, when the internet, the social media is starting, blah, blah, blah, that kind of vibe is happening may have, yeah, been, I don't know. I don't know, do you? You don't know.

I mean, yeah, you only know the experience that you're living. Yeah. For sure. But it, no, no, I would have been, ooh. Yeah. I don't, no. I wouldn't have survived it, I don't think. So I'm very grateful it happened now. Now for a quick break, but don't go away.

When we come back, Golda shares how her family's love of food inspired her to open a bakery with her cousin, an award-winning one at that. And she reveals her dream ending for Queen Charlotte on Bridgerton. Okay, be right back. On days off from Jesus Car Superstar in London this past summer, we would head out to the English countryside for a little family reset. The boys were in heaven. They were running around, looking at farm animals, getting as muddy as possible. Justin was, you know, thriving, taking runs in the morning, and I finally had an excuse to sit quietly with my Kendall for a few minutes without feeling guilty. Now, trips like this always remind me that vacations aren't exactly cheap.

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Get started today. And we're back with more dinners on me. I went to Chelsea Flower Show, first time this year. Oh my God. I loved it so much. I went last year. What the hell, man.

Show news. And my mother-in-law, darling, darling. darling, darling mother and more, amazing woman. She said, when all this started, she was like, there's only two things. This is hilarious. There's only two things that I want tickets to, Wimbledon and the Chelsea Ploud.

Yeah. So two years ago, I got tickets, two, three years ago, I got tickets to Wimbledon, and I called her up and I said, we're going. And so then this year, same thing. Got the tickets, I told her. Did you go to that press opening? Yeah.

Yeah, the first day. Oh, pretty great. Just brilliant. But you have to leave early because the royalties are coming. Yeah, yeah. But I wanted to leave, actually. It was as beautiful and lovely and gorgeous as it was. It was a lot of eyes on me.

Yeah. Because you do your press thing. I was invited by one of the gardens, the displays, exhibitions. You do all the thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. And even when my mother-in-law and I were just going around on our own, each place had their own, like, social media person. Yeah. So you're either asked, you know, can we take a picture, la la la la, with the designer?

Absolutely, you know, I know I'm there to work. Yes. I'm very happy to do it. Then there's other times where you're just looking around and you are very aware of the camera, somebody's professional, whatever, the camera's going off, the camera's going. By three o'clock, I said, we need to go.

We need to go. She was staying for a couple of days afterwards. I could not leave the house the next day. And I said to Shereen, I was like, they were going to Battersea, beautiful gardens. I love Battersea, yeah. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Walk around, go to the shops, have a little picnic,

all that. I said, I can't. I'm, my anxiety is too high. I just need to stay home. Yeah. and protect myself. I'm really sorry, but I cannot leave the house today. It really affected you, yeah.

It really did affect me. And, you know, now I have a wonderful home now that allows me the privacy, and I have a garden, and I can just potter around in the garden, and it's very enclosed, and nobody looks over, and I feel very safe there. Yeah. But the one thing that I would stress about anything, anybody coming into this industry,

for ever feeling that kind of thing, is you recognize it. Thank you so much. Delicious, incredible. Thank you. When you recognize it, you must listen. Yeah. Because if you don't listen, it's all hell is going to break loose. And it all add up and add up and add up and add up and add up and add up and add up, you know.

So I think that's the hard thing, isn't it, to kind of go, I've done a lot of therapy. I've done a lot of therapy to be able to recognize when it starts. And I have a lot of tools and a lot of beautiful, kind, supportive family and friends who, you know, can help me. That support system is really, really important. But I think recognises. recognizing and knowing it and knowing that the strongest word you have is no.

I'm not going to do that event or I'm not coming out. I'm really sorry to be able to keep your mental health healthy. Because I think we all have the spectrum, don't we? We all have mental health problems. But it's on whatever level you're at, on the scale of, you know, the line of mental health. Yeah. And I think, you know, not drinking, being sober, all of that kind of stuff really helps.

Yeah. Because I think this industry, it attracts addicts. Yeah. You know, I'm addicted to storytelling, to delving into other people, other characters, emotion, to humanity and all of that kind of stuff. Do you know what I mean? One, because I find it fascinating, but also to understand myself. I want to ask you about your bakery. I'm a bakery.

You have a bakery? I don't have a bakery. But isn't I how you pronounce it? It's called I'm a... Ima. Ima. Ema. Yeah, it means mama in Hebrew.

Got it. Got it. The bakery. The bakery. Yeah. I want to know, first of all, how your love for food started. I assume with your parents. Yeah, 100%.

But, like, what you're most proud of with this? I mean, are you a baker yourself, or is this something that you just... So it kind of happened. So, yes, food has always been big, big, big part of our lives. Mm-hmm. In terms of church festivals, church parties, you know, mum was always on some committee organizing some fundraising. thing and who would be doing the food and all of that kind of stuff.

Right. You know, cut to my family as well. Very, very big kind of foodies, very big on family parties and, you know. And the bakery kind of started around a dinner table, around a lunch table with my cousin. And she is married to a Mexican who's a chef, who was a chef, Michelin Starr, Chef, this, whatever, they were in Mexico. They had a restaurant there called IMA. So ours is in Mexico City.

And so ours is Ima, the bakery. So Tonner and I just started talking four years ago about what we wanted to do, what our interests were. I was always interested in having a little tea shop to do afternoon teas. Yeah. and she was always interested in bread and baking and that kind of stuff. I mean, it was a no-brainer.

She came with all of the, you know, the ideas that she was going to do, the vision for the bakery. It's very sustainable. It's community-based. We're using every ingredient so there's no waste. You know, I was like, yeah, give me all the figures and everything. It's sent to my accountant. This looks great.

Put it on the money, we started, and now four years on, I think it's four years on, we have won Best Sourdough in the UK. We've done a best croissant, we've done another sourdough, she's got Best Baker in the UK. I still want to go if I'm over there. Yeah, do, you do, do, do, do. It's really cute, very, very cute. It's just lame question. Do you watch Bake Off? I do.

Okay. Have you ever thought about doing the celebrity? version. They've asked me a couple of times I imagine they would have. Yeah, it's never kind of worked out. I did. I've been available. Did you? There's an American version. They don't call it bake off. They call it baking show.

Okay. But it's still It was proof. I did. You did? I did. Yes! I love it! I love it! There was only four contestants, so I mean my chances were good, a 25% shot. But it was still Prue and

Paul. Paul. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but we were in the tents. Who was there at Wimbledon? She was. I talked to her. It's so funny, so I went up to her because, you know, I also had her on the podcast.

And she was lovely. She's a great conversationless. And, you know, we know each other a little bit. So I went up and I gave her a hug. And she's, you know, she's very proper. She doesn't really show her cards, even like in personal interactions. And I was like, how are you?

How are you? And she was sitting with Claudia from the traders, from banks. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Winkelman. Yes, who I was also really excited to meet. And so we were all talking.

And Claudia was like, oh, I did an episode of the baked off. And Prue was like, I don't remember that. And Claudia's like, yeah, I didn't do very good. And I was like, I also did that? And Prue looks at me and she was, did you? I was like, yes, I did. And I was a little like, how do you all remember this? It was like the greatest day of my life.

Yeah, yeah. And then she said, you didn't do very well, did you? And I said, Prue, I won. I was, I said, I am. deeply, deeply offended. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She thought that it was semi-humored. She didn't, I don't remember.

And I was like, because I remember when she was on, she didn't remember what I baked. I was like, okay, well, that's fair. You eat a lot of things. Yeah. But then when she said she didn't remember me being on it, then assumed I didn't do well. I was like, this is a nightmare.

This is great. Yeah. Right. No, I definitely heard. No, I'd love to go on it. I'd love to go on. We've started baking in our house. Yeah.

But, no, it's great. I love all that one of home-cooked kind of stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's great. I love it. What's this? Oh, wow. It's a dessert. Oh, my goodness.

What is that, banana? It's dessert. Is this chocolate? What is it? It's about banana fritters. Banana fritters. And this is a chocolate sauce, I assume? He's walking away, I'm going to ask.

It's a salted caramel. This is salted caramel. We may need one more plates. Yes, I'll name one more. Thanks, Angela. Do you like banana? I do like banana. I've never seen it.

Thanks, babe. Are there people's, people ask me this all the time, are there people's careers that you greatly admire that, not that you want to emulate, but like that you're like, oh, they're doing the work that I, like, when we were talking about, like, setting a tone and, like, creating a mission statement for your work, like. Mine goes from Tilda Swinton.

Uh-huh. Do you know people tell me I look like her? There was the show art for True that just came out. Someone was like, that looks like Tilda Swinton, and I feel like that's not the first time I've heard that. When I'm shaved, I kind of look like Tilda Swinton. You kind of look like Tilda Swinton. I agree.

Oh, I'm glad you agree. No, I do agree. No, no, no. It's like, you know, the light eyebrows and like the bone structure and the fair face. And when I shave, I kind of look like, I'm not. I think she's very striking. She's amazing. Okay.

So from Tilda Swinton through to, you know, Viola Davis, like, I love Miriam Margulies. I think she's the queen of all queens. She's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is great, I mean...

I think I'm in my Tilda Swinton era. Yeah. With the kind of stage work that I want to do, especially this, the next one that's coming up. I think I'm kind of in that. But that's that, you know, the artists that I'm drawn to are like Marina Abramovich,

you know what, she's the one who sat in there in a museum and he was... They came and sat in. She came to see 12th night last summer and she stopped me on the street when I was leaving the park and I at the Delicre Theatre and I

and I was like, I think that It's Marina, and I didn't say hello. And then I went and Googled and I was like, yeah, that was definitely her. She was so nice. Yeah, she's lovely. I've worked with her husband. Yeah, she was with her husband. Yeah, we just did a piece called Anark, which was, again, incredible.

I mean, I became aware of her when she did that piece at the MoMA, I think, where she sat in a chair and people lined up and just sat opposite of her. And she... Her ex-partner came. Yes, it's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did a whole piece in the times about it. And people would sometimes sit there.

I think there was messed up with a timeline and how long you could sit opposite. Right, right, right. But some people would come and just stare. Some people would come and weep. And she was just stoic the entire time. She had a dress on, I think I'm getting this right. The chair had, maybe I'm making this up.

I have to go back and look, but I feel like the chair had a toilet. Maybe not? I feel like that, because that was a main question of the article, like, how did she go to the bathroom? She sat there for, like, hours, upon hours upon hours. Maybe I'm conflating with another art piece of similar.

But that would be Marina though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or maybe that was like speculation, like, is there a toilet in the chair in case she has to go to the bathroom? Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, that's for the listener to go in Google.

Tracy Eman. Yeah. You know. Yeah, Tracy Elyman, yeah. That kind of stuff I'm drawn to. Yeah, yeah. You know, because it just shakes things up. It makes things up and makes you think and feel.

Yeah. Even if you don't want to, even if it's not a nice feeling. Right. You know? She held it. I knew it. I knew it. A bit hidden bed-hand.

Can you imagine? Like, just, I don't know. I would be too self-conscious to ever, like, actually use it. Listen, when you've got to go, you've got to go, baby. Correct. However, if there's like a line of 150 people that are there to sit across to me this close, But it's a art. In the name of art.

In the name of art. But then she did hold it. Yeah, she did hold it. My God, you're an air track affection. Anyway, how is it, how many more seasons of Birchton do you know? Where are we now? Maybe four, three. Another four, another three?

Maybe, yeah, something like that. And how do you feel about that? Oh, I'm there. Good. I'm there to the bitter end, babe. Good. They'll be wheeling me out in the coffin. Yeah, yeah.

But I know what my death's. episode is going to be. I'm ready. I've got it written down and I'm ready to press a go on it for Shonda. Yeah. Yeah, I know what that's going to be. If they ever kill me off. Yeah. I'd like it to be all the ton in black

for the whole episode. And I'd like, as the coffin goes, flashes of every single wig that I've worn from season one to the end pops up. So she passes all. all the incarnations of...

I love that, yeah. You heard it here first. Listen, that's a great... That's a great sit and off. It's iconic. Yeah. That's my death episode. I love that.

Listen, Shonda? Yeah. That's what we're expecting. I'm so happy to be, too. I'm so happy you did this. Me too. Thanks for asking. It's been great.

Really, really great. You too, babe. I really am. Boy, oh boy. Oh, my God. What a pleasure. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. Gorgeous. Thank you.

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