Dinner’s on Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson - Side Dish: More Shoshana Bean

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

More of my interview with Broadway legend Shoshana Bean. Shoshana tells me more about embracing the role of Elphaba in ‘Wicked’ after getting it in such a crazy way. Plus, we hear about the odd jobs she did to pay the bills and how we deal with opening night jitters. This episode was recorded at Miriam on the Upper West Side, NYC.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is not a complete list of risks. Hey, it's Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Here's a little side dish from this week's episode of Dinner's On Me. This week's guest to Shoshana Bean, and you know her from Broadway hits like Wicked, Hairspray and Waitress, as well as her powerhouse solo music career. We met up at Miriams on the Upper West Side to catch up over brunch, specifically some Turkish eggs. and Bereka's, and swap stories from the early days of auditioning and hustling in the theater world. Along the way, Shoshana shares what it was like stepping into one of Broadway's most iconic roles under unexpected circumstances and how those moments shaped the artist she is today.

Now, to get back into the conversation, you're joining us, just as Shoshana talks about stepping into the role of Alphaba in Wicked. And I just remember feeling like, yeah. Yeah. Don't make this in any way about me. I wanted her to have that moment. And it was almost like in baseball, you have a designated hitter, you know, and someone else runs. Yeah.

Well, when I was in softball. Well, so I don't want to miss represent baseball. But sometimes someone just hits and someone else runs. And I was like, I'm just the runner. Like, she's the hitter. If that makes it, you'll edit that and make me sound halfway. No, we're going to keep it. exactly as it is.

Fuck you. And we're going to have little like diagrams. Here's what she actually meant. Nope, that was wrong. Please.

I love us trying to do sports analogies. I'm usually better at it. I usually am. I'm just like smiling. I love watching sports documentaries and I love sports for that reason because what we do is so under

appreciated and so underestimated in terms of like our athleticism and what we endure. And so I love watching it because I'm like that is what we and so I love the mentality and the psychology of sports. and it's just very helpful for me.

So anyway, that was wicked. Bing. But, but, I mean, just to like make you talk a little bit more about it, I mean, because this was your first time. Nope, no, we like all the sounds. We're in New York. Embrace it. But how is it for you to then, like, you know, embrace being a leading lady and being the leader of the show? I mean.

it. Embracing being the leader of the show was easy for me because I had watched, I had just come from Harrispray watching Harvey and Marissa do that. Yes. So I felt like I observed, I absorbed, I knew what to do. So that, and I also, you know, that weekend gifted me an immediate opportunity to like step up and be the backbone. I didn't get, wasn't going to take the luxury of like being emotional and freaking out. Like I had a job to do. Right. Um, and not and it wasn't about me it was this was one of those moments where like you are the quarterback you run the place sorry yeah yeah here we go you are a cog this is a good one though you're doing good about this one just run it yeah call it and run it and and so it was a great

opportunity to practice sort of like not being emotional not making it about you and just doing the job and then so being that was easy I think stepping into the power of what I was gifted was harder for me for a number of reasons. One, I knew I wasn't their first choice and I knew that. So that was hard for me to reconcile being number two and feeling like I could own it and step into it. I thought like, I'm just their placeholder until Eden, until I run out my year and Eden can be here for after she's done with Brooklyn. Which was the show she was wearing at the time. Yeah, which is why she couldn't step in. Eden was Adina's original standby. And also originated the role before Dina stepped in, right?

No, that was Stephanie. Stephanie Blonde. Oh, my God. The community of Alfa Buzz. So many. So many of them. So, yeah, they had initially been, like, had officially passed on me taking over and let us know that.

And then we're, like, auditioning people above me. I could hear them from my standby dressing room. So in my mind, I had already left the building. And I don't know if I had let it go. It was pretty painful because I wanted. it really bad. And I was like, okay, I'll just give my, you know, four weeks notice or whatever it's supposed to be. You know, I've done my time as a standby. I'm good. And then something very interesting happens when you no longer give a fuck. You sort of liberate yourself to be your fullest self

sometimes. Uh-huh. And something happened and Adina was out randomly one night and I went on and I wasn't trying to prove anything to anybody anymore. I knew it wasn't my job. And I went on and just was free. You thought a little like, like, just free to do what you did. Irreverin. We'll go back to irreverence. I just was liberated

because I wasn't trying to get anything. And, um, uh, Mark Platt was in the house that night. And apparently he called the team and was like, what the fuck are we doing? We have her right here. And the next day, or a day or two later, I got

the offer. Oh, that's incredible. Which is a beautiful way that it all happened, and I, and I know that they felt certain about their choice at that point, but I couldn't get it out of my mind that I wasn't that you weren't the first choice. Yeah. And so I really just decided that I was simply a replacement. That I wasn't, that I couldn't really step in fully and like own the power of that. So then like six months in, and I never worked with Joe. We were put in by stage managers and, and associate director and um he came in about six months into my run when megan had also taken over for um jennifer so Megan was a month or two into her run and i was about six months into mine and he was kind of like what are you doing what is this and what i didn't want to say was like i'm just

sort of barfing up of my version of what i saw this is joe mantella came in and said the director of the show was like what are you doing what is this like what Oh, interesting. Basically, like, what I thought was my version of what Adina was. Which was not justified. It was just like, I'm a replacement. Right. I'm just supposed to emulate, like, you know, do my interpretation of what I saw.

And he was like, none of this. What was he not seeing? Like. He just was like, what are you doing with your arms? And I want to be like, that's the choreography, isn't it? Like, the wizard. But mine was not informed. And hers obviously had been built for months and months of, like, mine was just not informed.

It was simply, so at that point, and he only was with us for like a day or two, and I felt really like, oh, God, I'm failing at this. I'm terrible, I'm terrible. But what I took away from it was like, I think I just have to really just let this be mine now. Yeah. And that's what I did. But it took me a long time because I just didn't feel like ultimately I diminished what my gig was. I was like, I'm a replacement. Not I am now the new Elfabah.

Right. I'm just a replacement. I go, I wake up every day saying I am the new alphabet. You too. That's how I wake up every day. God, it's like you're like, it's my motto. It's like you're lying. It's my mantra.

I can't stand you. I am the new alphabet. I am the new alphabet. So yeah, it took me a second. But then I, then I had more fun and then I got to do the tour and I really had more fun. And yeah, it's a beast of a role. Now for a quick break, but don't go. When we come back, Shoshana tells me about her role in the new musical The Lost Boys on Broadway,

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One of the fucking kids, the kid who plays my son. Yeah. We're sitting on the stage. one day in tech. So you sit around a lot, right? Yeah, yeah. And he, I said, have you, have you walked down the Judy Garland staircase? And he's like, yeah, I do. And every time I do, I like sing Judy or whatever. And I was like, uh.

And he's like, did you ever meet her? Oh, no. Oh, no. How old do you think I am? I have so many questions about it. But yeah, I was like, well, you're dead to me. Spiritually, you might meet her tonight as she haunts your dressing room. That's right.

Our 15-year-old, the kid who plays my youngest son, 15 tomorrow, Benjamin Payjack, he said when we were doing an interview last week, and he said, I think everyone's going to come and everyone's going to be able to see themselves in one character or another. And I was like, it was such a profound, simple yet profound statement because I really do think that, to your point, like that everyone is going to get what they need to see and what they need to get from this. And weirdly, I think it's very timely, even though the story is older. It's really timely and it's beautiful. And it is about belonging and finding your people and finding your family and finding your community.

And whether that's outside of the four walls of your home or not. And I think to your point, anyone who's been othered, which doesn't leave many people out, you know, we'll find that and feel that. and it's, there's this other moment that isn't like that, but it is like a levitation of sorts. And my son kept trying to explain to me how, the show. Yeah. You didn't have a child.

No, I don't have a kid. My kid in the show, L.J., was trying to explain to me how it happens. And it just didn't make any sense to me. And then after he finished that day of tech, the stage manager sends out this email that's like, great day. Like, here's a picture of LJ doing this thing attached. And it's me as Elfaba.

the photo is attacked. I was like, is this a joke? And he's like Shoshana, he's actually on, am I allowed to say this? He's on an actual alpha-bajib that has been reconstructed, but we got it from like the Korean production of Wicked.

And I'm like, what? That is so funny. You've been trying to explain the thing to me and basically I'm very intimate with this equipment. And I did not know Judy Garland. Oh my God. Kids these days.

these days. I'm officially... Yeah. Granny. Listen. I'm officially... You're officially granny. I do love that you're in the palace,

and I think that Judy Garland's spirit is going to be with you in the most beautiful ways. Just blessing you in this process. Tell her I said hi. Okay. I will. I will.

And the new palace theater. Come see us. Come see it. Lots boys. So by the time this comes out, you will almost be opening or opened. Yeah.

In these, like, precious few days, like, before you shared it with an audience, like, what are you most excited for? What are you most, like, nervous about? Like, what do you hope for with the response? I've seen, now, listen, it's interesting that you're, like, having a little anxiety about because this moment that you're in right now is my absolute favorite of the process. I do love having an audience, but there's that moment, like, where you know what you're doing and you're feeling itchy, like, you need more.

people in the room, but yet, like, no one's giving you their opinion about it yet. And it feels so sacred still. Yeah. And this show in particular is the most sacred because, A, it's never had a mounting of a production anywhere. And also our team has done this really interesting job of just keeping a lid on everything that's happening behind those doors. Nobody knows what we're doing. They hear rumors and cryptic talk about what's happening, but they don't know. So it really is. And the minute that preview audience happened. The whole world. I know.

Because there's these chat boards now. That's what's tough. So I think that's why I'm nauseous. It's like we live in a very different world now where previews used to be a time for. We're working. You kind of got to come out the gate swinging. So I'm a little nervous about that because the show is massive. It's so massive.

So I think that I'm in this weird phase of like wanting to speed up to that moment when we can finally feel an exchange and get a sense of what we have. Yeah. But I'm also, to your point, know that this moment is still, it's still ours, it's still sacred, it's still untouched,

and it's never going to happen again. We're never going to be intact together again. And I know, I mean, I was saying this to them, feels like yesterday in the rehearsal room, like guys, I'm the eldest in the room,

I've been doing this a long time, I know when something feels special. This is special, you're not crazy, don't miss a single second of this. And we're already getting ready to open previews. And I feel like I just said that. So I am aware of how precious every phase of the process is.

And yet I still, it must be like childbirth. Like I still forget that it is nauseate. It is a roller coaster. It's terrifying. You're so right that you do forget. It's terrifying. I'm experiencing that now with my play. Just anxiety after a show of things even go up.

I saw someone sleeping. Like, you know, through your child. God, and they're right there for you. They're right there! How dare they? My gosh, Shonda, the other day. Serve coffee. The thing is, it's a very warm room

because it's an old house. Crank the AC. Come on, guys. There's no AC. And we've been opening windows because it's been so cold out, although now it's warming up a little bit. But we have this table where some people sit and they're basically on the set.

That's where I want to be when I come up. Oh, do you? Yeah. Put me in the set. Are you interact with me? Are you going to like Daniel Radcliffe me? Am I going to be in it? Basically.

but there was a woman who was, you know, a little older and she was sort of like, you know, just listening with her eyes closed. Maybe. I'm just going to stop my side. And I was like, honey, like in my head, I'm like, everyone, you're on the set. Like, you can't, you know. And so I'd walk by her at one point.

Yeah. I just sort of put my hand on her shoulder. Stop! Stop! Just rub her back. Like, I see you. Did she wake up? Oh, yeah. She did not fall back asleep.

And I'd say... Jesse, that is legend. Yeah. Well, I mean. You, fuck, absolutely. She was on the set. Ma'am, you're in the show. Yeah.

Not the gentle. I know. Just, just a shh. Papa's here. Did people laugh? No, they didn't even notice, actually. I think I was the only person that noticed. I have to do my research, because I don't know much about him, but I know that my parents had the book.

Yeah. On the book shelf. No, wasn't it just called Capote? Wasn't there a book? Well, there was a movie Capote that spoke from Hoffman did. Maybe his name was just huge on the spine. Yeah, probably. Because it's like emblazoned in my mind.

Yeah, yeah. No, Capote, like, I mean, he's written several great books, but in true, in cold blood, in cold blood is his, like, yeah. That's when I had to read in high school. I want to come knowing more than I do. I mean, I'm embarrassed. You can watch Thorpe Seymarhoffin play him in the film that he went an Oscar for, and he's incredible.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what I would watch. Okay. Breakfast 10th,0. Oh. Yeah. Well, you're not.

Now for a quick break, but don't go away. When we come back, Shoshana and I talk about our early days in New York, and Shoshana tells me about a few of the day jobs she took on before getting her big break on Broadway, including checking in theater legends at Equinox. Okay, be right back. Welcome aboard via rail. Please sit and enjoy. Please sit and sip.

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When you were in school, and since I did you, how did you find, like, were you able to find, like, kind of a pocket in the musical theater world? Like, what were you, what type of songs were you seeing? What were you, like,

I just, I can't imagine you doing, like, musical theater class. I'm going to say that. You can't? No. Well, you're probably, spot on because I was so resistant. So resistant. I must have

been just impossible. Must have been. I think that I, again, irreverence. Like I just wanted to be different. So I dug so deep to find things that no one was doing. No one had heard of. Like I remember finding this song called Sweet

Time, maybe from Raisin the musical. Like, right, Raisin? Like, I would dig and dig. Because back then you had to go to the library check out a maximum of 10 CDs or, you know, five libretta, what are they called? Scores, yeah, yeah. And, yeah, and I would just pour over these things and just dig to find things that no one was going to do or had done

in an effort to just not be like anybody else and to find the most soulful stuff I could find. Right, right, right. Yeah. And then when you came to New York, I mean, it's not lost on me that the first thing you did. Was Godspell? Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, I just, I mean, listen, anyone can go find this recording on Spotify or iTunes. I mean, right? I don't know where it is actually. Oh, I think it's definitely available. I think it is. I think it's on YouTube, but I don't know that it's a streamer. You just got to like Google Shoshana being God'spell. It was, was it, bless my soul.

Was that your song? Bless the Lord. Bless the Lord. They let me riff. I mean, they sure did. I was to say exactly what probably was holding you back. They were like, okay, man, you just felt like you were. bursting out of the gate like a bowl bursting into the pen.

I mean, it sounds like it when you listen to it. You're like, whoa, did you have to put everything in there? Yes, yes, I did. Everything. But it does sort of feel like, okay, like I'm in the show. It's musical theater and I'm going to like, I've been hired to do what I do and you've laid it all out. But I do feel like that marked your territory in New York.

I mean, because people noticed. I mean, it was. Did we meet during that? Did you come to that? I didn't see it. I never saw it. I just remember hearing about it and then like listening to recordings of it. I'm like, oh my God.

Like that's something that could be done in musical theater. Like I'd never heard anything like that. No, question mark. Well, it was, but it was. They were, I mean, that whole thing was, I keep using the word of wherever. That was peak or right. We were in an office building. Like, so when you talk about turning.

Where was it at? Oh, I couldn't tell you. It was like learn English. Like, it was on 34th Street. like across from that Victoria's Secret that used to be there forever on the corner. Like on this fifth floor of an office building where you could learn English.

And yeah, we all shared an, like a meeting room as a dressing room. People would put up curtains for us to change. We'd have to take them down because the next business day they would be, like it was, it was so bad. Oh, I didn't know it was that. We would walk by file cabinet,

baby. Yeah. Really? Yeah. two jobs to, I worked at a restaurant and at Equinox to be able to afford my off-Broadway cake. Atlas. Oh yeah, I remember Atlas. Do you remember it on Central Park South?

I do, yeah. And at Equinox, the gym. Yeah, 91st and Broadway. You were a trainer. No, I worked the front desk. I worked the front desk at the fitness desk. He did. He did, yeah.

Checking people in. And that's where I, like, met Marcoudish, fell in love with Markudish. I had the biggest crush on Markudish. Who else went there that was like from the Broaddus? Broadway world. So many people. Mandy worked out there. Patinkin. Mandy Patinkin. Who else? A million people. I'm blanking right now. It's so funny. Justin, when he worked at Equinox, he worked with the one in West Hollywood. And he, oh God, what is his name?

That's like a different breed of Equinox. It's its own thing. But people would come in, like Queen Latifah would come in. And he would just, yeah, he would. It's a gig. Yeah. If you're moving to the city and you need a game. Pick the right equinox. Oh, yeah. Okay, so you were working those two jobs and then doing God's building on the fifth floor.

That's right. Near Penn Station. Yeah, then we moved uptown to the York Theater. Because that's what I did know it went to the York theater. And that's what life really changed. No, nothing changed. The York Theater, which is basically in the basement of a church. That's right.

You went from the fifth floor of an office to the basement of a church. That's right. Okay. Right, right, right. So by moving up, I meant down. Yeah, you meant down. But uptown. We had a great time, though.

How's your husband? I miss him. I never hear from him. Oh, my God, that's so funny. The coasts have finally come between us. No. It's never been an issue, and now it's like... He said, he wanted to make sure that I gave you his love.

How are the boys? Our children are good. They look huge. You posted something of them from behind. We got to stop watering them. God. Tell me the funniest thing that Beckett has said recently, please. Oh, my God.

Because that kid's brain is like... Well, the other day, he woke up. You know, I'm doing this play and I'm tired and I'm just trying to sleep and he woke me up at 4.30 in the morning. And I was like, you've got to go back to bed. Like, you just have to go back to bed. He's like, how could I possibly go back to bed when I'm so excited about the day? I'm like, can you imagine being that just like excited to live another day? It's so great.

It's beautiful. And then I was thinking he was like, is something happening today that I don't know about? It's just a day. It's just a day. Oh, my God. That's why they hate going to bed. they don't want to miss out. I have to literally say,

like, we're all going to bed. Everyone's sleeping. You're not missing out in anything. I freaking love that game. I used to be like that, where I was like, I don't want to miss out. I'm phomo. Like, I'm having phomo.

And now I'm like, put me to sleep. Please, can I miss out? Yeah. I know. I know. I do feel that feeling when we're starting a new show again, though. Like when we start our rehearsals, I like, I get so excited.

Me too. Me too, yeah. So we do still, we're not dead yet. And we're not dead inside. No, we're not dead inside. and you're going to feel this in a few days when you have your first audience, but yeah, it's a few days, get ready.

I don't know if you're the same way. I mean, when I have my first show in front of an audience after you've been rehearsing in a room and in like sort of a sacred space for a while and you finally bring those people in, that exchange of energy, maybe you're not feeling the same way because your shit base is saying it's...

I'm really nervous. Exiety. But I have the most insane rush of energy. Like, I can't fall asleep to like two in the morning. It's crazy. No, it's a big...

And it wears down after a while. Like, I get used to it, but like that first time in front of an audience... It's gonna be like that for a minute with the show, I think. I think it's gonna... I think I'm just... They keep posting world premiere, world premiere,

and I realized, like, it never got an out-of-town tryout. Right. Like, and I haven't done anything like that. Like, Mr. Saturday Night got an out-of-town try-out. Not with me, but they knew what they had. Hell's Kitchen we ran off Broadway for three months before we transferred the Broadway.

So we knew what we had in a smaller space. And what about hairspray? Was that done? We did Seattle for months. Yeah. We've been talking about that a lot lately because this show feels a lot like hairspray in that way. Just like a magical curation and alchemy of people. Just like really special from top to bottom.

God, that show is so special. Yeah. I mean, that must have been, that was kind of the first thing that like, you know, that was your first original musical. That was the first... What was yours? Well, on the town was my first show I got paid to do. I got my equity card.

Oh, my God. And weren't you like a principal? Yeah. You got your card being a principal. You're so fancy. I know. Yeah. It is pretty fancy. I'm not going to lie about it.

You shouldn't. No more lies. No more lies. That was more from my conversation with Shoshana Bean. If you haven't heard our full conversation yet, make sure to check it out on Dinners on Me. This episode of Dinner's On Me was recorded at Miriams on Manhattan's Upper West Side. Next week on Dinners On Me, you might know him from The Killing.

He's also on two amazing shows right now for all mankind on Apple TV Plus and Netflix's Detective Hole. It's Joel Kinneman. We'll dive into acting in Swedish for the first time in over a decade, what it's like to age 40 years on screen, and why he's especially excited about what's next in his ever-evolving career. Dinner's On Me is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and a kid named Beckett Productions. It's hosted by me, Jesse Tyler Ferguson.

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