DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: A New Kurt Cobain Cause of Death Report and Artists Gone Too Soon

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

What can we take away from the new report on Kurt Cobain’s cause of death? And which rockstars gone too soon mattered to you the most? All this and more in the After Party. To learn more about list...ener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode.
Starting point is 00:00:43 A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are discussing Mia Zapata of the Gits. We're also talking about the new report on Kurt Cobain's cause of death. My Super Bowl hangover that won't go away and we get into your emails, comments,
Starting point is 00:01:09 DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed. The outsiders, the independent dickers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. Mia Zapata, lead singer for the Seattle band, The Gitts, died on July 7, 1993 at 27 years old, just shy of her 28th birthday.
Starting point is 00:01:53 She was murdered, tragically. And it's hard to imagine had Mia lived how her music in life might have evolved. Mia was both inspired and inspiring in part of a growing scene. and born of a generation steeped in rebellion. Whatever road she might have pursued creatively or personally, I'm sure it would have been compelling for us as music fans. Her friend, Kurt Cobain, would be dead less than a year later on April 5, 1994, from a self-inflicted shotgun wound.
Starting point is 00:02:30 But it's hard not to attribute the musician's debilitating heroin addiction as a cause of his demise as well. In 2002, Grunge Avatar, Lane Staley from Allison Chains, he fell victim to his own heroin addiction on the exact same day as Kurt, April 5th. His cause of death officially was an overdose of heroin and cocaine, a deadly combination commonly referred to on the street as a speedball. Lane frequently shot speedballs with Seattle vocalist and poet Mark Lanigan of the screaming Trees. Mark was the last person Kurt Cobain called before he died. Mark's band Screaming Trees
Starting point is 00:03:13 recorded a song in 1996 referencing Mia Zapatah called Dying Days. Mike McCready, Seattle guitarist from Pearl Jam, he guests on the song Dying Days, the Mia Zapata tribute by Screaming Trees, and McCready handles the tune's guitar solo. Now, Mike McCready's playing on that tune and on basically everything that he's ever recorded is heavily influenced by the greatest rock and roll guitarist of all time and fellow Seattle native Jimmy Hendricks. Jimmy died back in 1970. Now had he been born in a later generation, Mike McCready's temple of the dog bandmate and sound garden frontman Chris Cornell thinks that Jimmy Hendricks would have been too heady a guitar player to break through and to make it in the modern music industry.
Starting point is 00:04:05 All right, that's understandable, I guess. Chris Cornell was speaking about the music industry in 2011, which was firmly on its downward spiral by then. But what if Jimmy Hendricks had lived? What if Lane Staley or even Mark Landigan, as hard as that is to believe? What did these dudes live? What kind of music would they be making today? What if Chris Cornell lived or Kirk Cobain?
Starting point is 00:04:32 What would music even be like if they, these monumental voices were still making it. Where would Kurt Cobain's music and voice fit into today's modern culture? That's a super interesting question to think about. For me, anyways, it's hard. You know, I think about, you know, would Kurt still be in Nirvana? That's hard for me to believe. I believe that Kurt wasn't long for the band no matter what.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Or at the very least that he was going to make big changes with Nirvana, either in sound, lineup, production, or all three. And a lot of people ask, what would Kurt think of Foo Fighters? What would you think of Dave Grohl? Modern-day Dave Grohl? Not to dunk on Dave, who's had a rough couple years by rock star standards, but I think Foo Fighters would nauseate Kurt Covain. And yes, I'm aware of what Dave has said about Kurt's positive reaction to some of his early demos that ended up becoming fully produced songs
Starting point is 00:05:27 on the Foo Fighters' first album. I'm speaking less about the music here and more about the, hammy, super comfortable, normy, mainstream place that Dave Grohl occupies in the music industry. I cannot see Kurt Cobain viving with that at all. But it's hard, almost impossible to predict what these artists who were taken too soon would be like had they lived. I'm just guessing. That's all I'm doing. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:05:57 I'm basing it on, you know, the research I've done on Kirk Cobain and what I know his personality to be. I don't know that he would be into Dave Grohl and food fighters. I don't think anybody knows. One thing I do think I know about Kirk Cobain is that he was entirely unpredictable. Of all these artists that I've mentioned, I think that Kirk Cobain, similarly to John Lennon, had he lived, I think that Kurt would be most surprising comparatively to their peers, to Kirk Cobain and John Lennon's peers. Both of these artists were fiercely independent.
Starting point is 00:06:30 both were a true iconoclast, both were extremely hypocritical, and both were wildly impulsive. I don't know what to think about Kurt's life or music had he survived himself, except that whatever I think, Kurt probably would have done something different. He was rare in that way, again, like John Lennon. You're going to hear a lot about Kurt Cobain in the coming days. The British newspaper, of the British tabloid, I should say, the Daily Mail, this week published a so-called peer-reviewed report on Kirk Cobain's death that supposedly refutes the suicide cause of death and argues that the evidence surrounding Kurt's suicide,
Starting point is 00:07:13 supposed suicide, as they would put it, they say this report says that the evidence supports a staged suicide, that it wasn't suicide, that it was in fact homicide. Now, why this report was published, I have no idea. I can't even understand why the Daily Mail and others like Newsweek are covering this report. It's researchers, Brian Burnett and Michelle Wilkins, among others. This report, their report, I should say, was sent to us back in December through what appears to be a publicist posing as a rando. I'm not exactly sure. We here at Double Elvis examined the report. I didn't do it personally. Matt Bowden did, much to his credit. the details in this report are, they're just, they're, they're, I don't even, I can't even find the word for it.
Starting point is 00:08:02 They're tough, I'll put it that way. Visuals, it's not just text, it's awful. So anyways, again, I didn't look at it, but Matt looked at it and I trust Matt completely. And Mac concluded that the information that this report provides does not disrupt what the King County Medical Examiner ruled back in 1994 that Kirk Cobin's death was a result of suicide from a fatal gunshot to the head. And the report, the original report, the King County report, also noted the suicide note and the high level of heroin in Kirk Covey system. But even without this report, if one carefully reads the Daily Mail or the Newsweek articles about the new report, you can discern pretty quickly that the evidence that these researchers lay out is flimsy at best. Now, it's all wrapped up in the trappings, in the look and feel of an official report.
Starting point is 00:08:54 a quote-unquote peer-reviewed report. The report cites the positioning of Cobain's body, claiming that it was staged to look like a suicide. The report cites the fact that Cobain had a receipt for bullets in his pocket as proof of this staging. This makes no sense. The report also cites a condition of Cobain's works, what he used to shoot his drugs and the capped needles,
Starting point is 00:09:18 and the toxicology report that indicates the state of Kurt's body from heroin use. and there's a whole lot more in here, but none of it holds up. This conspiracy theory that Kurt was killed, that he didn't commit suicide, that Kurt was murdered, okay? The researchers here, the authors of this report, they do not claim knowledge of who might have killed Kirk Cobain. But we all know what the conspiracy theory is. it's that his wife at the time Courtney Love had him killed and this conspiracy theory it's it reminds me a lot of the lady Gaga Illuminati theory it just will not go away it just will not die again you want to hear that Gaga conspiracy theory all the conspiracy theories related to lady Gaga
Starting point is 00:10:09 including that she had her her friend lina morgana killed and stole her whole musical identity you can listen to last two episodes of disgracing couple episodes back. Now, in the eight years of making disgrace land, the group of music fans that I've pissed off the most are the ones who believe that Kurt was murdered by Courtney. But I am, I was going to say, I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. The evidence just isn't there. If it was, you know, I would be the first to shout it out. I am not afraid of digging into conspiracy theories. There are no sacred cows. I'll look into anything. And I'm going to tell you, straight up that the evidence supports it. I'll even admit when I was wrong about things,
Starting point is 00:10:53 and I have been wrong, as we all are. None of us are perfect, and I'm not afraid to say so. Listen, if I believe Courtney Love had anything to do with the death of Kirk Cobain, I would not only say so just to be honest. It would make my job way more interesting. Not that it's not interesting already, but you get the point. But in defense of the Kurt and Courtney conspiracy theorists, there are some facts that don't make sense. like the handwriting on the suicide note. But if I put some thought into it, I can quickly come up with numerous explanations.
Starting point is 00:11:26 So no, Kurt wasn't murdered. Despite what this new report says, he, like Jimmy Hendrix and Mark Lanigan and Chris Cornell, Lane Staley, and Mia Zapata, was just one of many Seattle rock stars who died too young. Speaking of Kurt and Courtney, there's a Courtney Love documentary that's coming out this year,
Starting point is 00:11:45 I believe, although there's no date of release yet that I can find. I'm very excited to see this. I believe it debuted at Sundance. And apparently Courtney addresses all of these bad shit crazy conspiracy theories, which I got to say is pretty impressive. Zeth and I are going to address these theories more fully in the exclusive section of this after party.
Starting point is 00:12:06 We're going to dive into what the conspiracy theorists think, what they say. I'm going to strawman this argument a bit. And I've talked to Zeth about this in advance, and I want him to come to the table and to defend the point of view of the conspiracy theorists. Now, as much as I don't believe in the conspiracy theories here, as I've indicated just now, there is some compelling evidence, okay? And we're going to get into the note. We're going to get a little bit into El Ducche and some other elements to sort of break this down.
Starting point is 00:12:33 And who knows, maybe you'll learn something. Maybe I'll learn something. All right? I don't know. We'll see. Anyways, that's in the exclusive section of this after party coming up. Go to disgracehandpod.com to sign up for five bucks a month. Grab this exclusive content and add free content as well.
Starting point is 00:12:47 All right, again, speaking of artists shooting themselves. Next week in Disgrace, Ian, we've got a treat for you. We are releasing into the wide feed for everybody to hear our previously exclusive episode on Hunter S. Thompson. Now, not a musician, but definitely a rock star in his own right. And an artist that I know has a lot of crossover in the world of rock and roll into the world of music history. And with music fans and counterculture fans, this is going to be the last time we do this, I think. that being release an episode on a non-musician in the disgrace land feed. We produced this Hunter S. Thompson episode a year or so ago, mainly because we're massive fans
Starting point is 00:13:25 and we wanted to apply our storytelling to our research on this incredible writer and cultural figure. So that episode is coming next week. And when you're listening to the Hunter S. Thompson episode in disgrace, I'm being about who your favorite writers are. Is it Hunter Thompson? Is it, I don't know, Charles Bukes? Is it William S. Burroughs? Is it someone more modern? Is it, I don't know, Harlan Coben? I can go on and on and on. There's a million great writers out there. When you're listening to this Hunter episode, be thinking about who your favorite writers are and get at me with your recommendations. I'm particularly interested in autobiographies by musicians that you guys have read. I mentioned Mark Lannigan before, his autobiography, sing backwards and weep. It's a great example of what I'm talking about. Lots of you guys recommended the
Starting point is 00:14:15 book to me and it led to us creating the Mark Lannigan episode of Disgraceland. Now, whatever musician biographies you're into, let me know, recommend them to me, recommend to me in honor of Hunter S. Thompson, any other writers in general that are just kind of like rock and roll writers. Whatever, they don't have to rock. They can be any writers at all. I know that's broad, but I'm always looking for new recommendations. Hit me up, 67-906-66-6-3638 voicemail and text to let me know.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Now, coincidentally, Hunter S. Thompson's death was recently re-investigated years after he died. And a good year after we produced our previously exclusive episode. So we're going to get into this recent probe and next week's after party as a follow-up to our Hunter episode. All right. Back to this week. Coming up tomorrow, right after this episode, in the rewind slot. Our episode on You Got It, Lane Staley. And then, like I said, we hit you next week.
Starting point is 00:15:13 with Hunter S. Thompson. I'll be back after this with your voicemails, texts and emails where we're going to discuss, among other things, your thoughts on musicians who, like me as a potta, we're taking too soon, the ones that impacted you the most.
Starting point is 00:15:28 We're also going to be discussing your childhood music experiences. We dipped into that last week in the exclusive section of the after party. Lots of you guys responded. A lot of you on Patreon. We're going to get into that as well. We'll be back right after this.
Starting point is 00:15:59 All right, guys, 617-906-66-6-6-3-8. You want to send me a voicemail? You want to leave me a text. You want to connect in any way about the question of the week, or just anything in general. That's how you do it. 617-906-66-3-8.
Starting point is 00:16:13 We asked the question last week. We asked the question this week in relation to Mia Zapato, which artists that impacted you were taken too young? Let's check in with the 3-3-4. Hello, Mr. Jim featured on Hollywood Land with Mr. Zett a few times, but hoping this might be the first. time on Disgraced Land.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Calling in response to the question about artists who died before they got their due. Trying to keep this as short as possible, but I've got three for you. Number one for my generation, which is anyone who's an 80s baby grew up on this group
Starting point is 00:16:49 and others like it. Sublime and Bradley Noel, that guy, he was gone before what we now know as Sublime became what it is. Number two, would be Otis Redding. He passed away right before his hit sitting on the dock of the bay came out.
Starting point is 00:17:09 And I think the biggest one overall from all of my life, and probably in general when it comes to music as an American, would be Ricky Valens, dude. He wasn't even 18 years old. He wasn't even a full-grown adult and, you know, gone. And today, 70-plus years later, La Bamba and his name, his music still is searched and widely, widely loved around the world. So I think above all of the others that I know of, Richie Valens has to be the top one who was gone before he got his due.
Starting point is 00:17:50 He never even got to see adulthood, much less the impact that he had on this musical world. Thank you again. Rockerola. Love what you guys do, and I'm looking for. forward to some more scripted episodes. Take it easy, guys. 3-34, great call. Thanks for reaching out. Happy to get you on disgrace in here for the first time. Thanks for checking out Hollywoodland. Appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Yeah, some great choices here. Sublime, Bradley Noel. Really interesting. What a great voice that guy had. Just incredible. It would have been awesome to hear how he would have matured as a singer and a musician. You also mentioned Otis Redding. That's a big one. That's a huge one.
Starting point is 00:18:31 You know, what would the trajectory of Otis Redding have been? What do you have sort of like blasted through the rest of the 60s and the 70s and just kind of, well, you did he die? Did he die in 1970? Hold on, I got to figure this out. Nope, 1967. What do you have just kind of blasted through those years and spun out in a way that a lot of the sort of R&B and soul singers did? Even some of the bigger ones like James Brown.
Starting point is 00:18:58 or perhaps would he have cemented himself as a true kind of legacy artist like Ray Charles or Aretha Franklin and have just kind of ascended into this sort of upper echelon of musicians from his day? I think probably the latter. I think it would have been the Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles wrote. You also mentioned Richie Valens. and thank you for reminding me, we still haven't produced a Richie Valens episode
Starting point is 00:19:31 or Buddy Holly or the day the music died. I've never been able to figure out like, do I want to do it about all of them? You know, all this comes up in the Wayland Jennings episode. Do I want to do it about all of them
Starting point is 00:19:42 or do I want to do it about each of them? I think I want to do it about each of them because I'm just, at least when it comes to Buddy Holly and it comes to Richie Valens. I'm just completely interested in both of them as musicians. I think it would be limiting to do one story on all three artists,
Starting point is 00:19:58 including the big bopper in here as well. I saw La Bamba in the theaters as a kid when it came out, and it just blew me away. Everything about it, the performances were incredible. God, I can still remember the fascination I had with that Stratocaster that is featured in the film. But I think the reason that that movie has stayed with me for so long is those songs, those Richard Valens.
Starting point is 00:20:24 songs are just undeniable. They're incredible. Great call 334. Appreciate you. Let's check this recommendation from the 317. Jake, man, you really have to do an episode on the cranberries. And Dolores, you were asking about the best Irish punk band, everything. It is easily the cranberries. Well, not a super fan, but Dolores was magical. Her voice was nominated as one of the best Best voices ever. So please, please. If you have it in your heart, I think it's a great story.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Her death is tragic, but please look up the cranberries. All right, 317, you've got it. We've got an episode on Dolores from the cranberries coming sometime soon. I don't know when, but this is one of those, like the Mia Zapata, the Gits, this is one of those subjects that just keeps getting recommended to me.
Starting point is 00:21:21 I've been hesitant to get into it just because it's so damn sad. Maybe I can convince Seth to write this one, so I don't have to have my head in it. We shall see. But yes, we're going to get to Dolores 317. Appreciate you. See you guys? Text, call. Leave a voicemail. And, you know, your recommendations.
Starting point is 00:21:38 They'll turn into granted wishes, okay? Now, one of the other questions we were talking about last week, one of the other topics I should say we were discussing was the crazy childhood experiences we had with live music. Crazy live music experiences we had
Starting point is 00:21:53 as teenagers. A lot of that stemming back to the 90s because that's when a lot of us were, you know, out there getting after it for the first time, but can be from any era. We talked a lot about this in the exclusive section of last week's after party. Seth and I, let's dip into this voicemail from the 801 on this topic. Hey, Jake. I love the show. Just wanted to be able to say that like craziest concerts and best concerts ever been to, first time I saw the roots as a little hip-hop kid in early 90s, seeing all of those live music performances doing hip-hop was mind-blowing, so the roots were definitely
Starting point is 00:22:33 the best live show I saw. But the craziest was growing up in the town where was real life Footloose, that's where Footloose was filmed in Utah, seeing like, Rage Against Machine come in September of 96 and having all of the religious folks like telling the parents, don't let your kids just,
Starting point is 00:22:53 go, businesses shuttered up town, like this little farm town and a rodeo ground and having rage against the machine come there. No real issues happened at the concert itself. It was a really good show, pretty crazy, but awesome to see like the real life situation of religion being terrified of rock and roll music was pretty awesome. So it might be something you want to check out. Just Rage Against the Machine, Spanish Fork, Utah in like September of 96. Love the show. Rock and roll. 801, thanks for the call. Appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Man, I wish I saw the roots back in the day. Never saw them. I'd love to see them now, I guess. I did share a stage at a festival when I brought Disgraceland to the stage in San Francisco with Black Thought. That was a lot of fun. Rage Against the Machine in 96.
Starting point is 00:23:46 So you would have caught them in that tiny little town you're from. I guess at kind of their peak, 96. I'm pretty sure they were on Lollapalooza at that point or just about to be. I'd seen them a little bit earlier. I saw them in, I think, 92 or 93. I definitely saw their first Boston show in a tiny club, the ICA and the South End.
Starting point is 00:24:15 And I saw them. Where else did I see, Rage? I think I definitely saw them at Avalon, when it was called Avalon. saw them on all the pluse as well vastly different experience in boston than it was in your footloose town but hey at least you got that crazy experience let's do one more voicemail this one from the 201 jake jep jep jr from 201 i just want to say i finally caught up i've been listening to your podcast for i guess close to a year but i started at the beginning so now like i'm all caught up and i'm pretty happy about that to address your current question which rock stars or figures of rock and
Starting point is 00:24:50 all fizzled out or died way too young right on the precipice of success. I would say that it's tied between two, both having happened in the late 90s, I would have to say Shannon Hoon with Blind Melon was kind of hurtful. I thought their music was terrific. They were just about to blow up. They were highly successful at Woodstock. And again, you know, drugs. And I would say that after that it was probably Brad Newell from Sublime.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Same thing. They had a seminal album that was absolutely phenomenal and groundbreaking, and I guess he celebrated a little too hard and died. But those two affected me. I don't know. For some reason, they both had a certain vulnerable. Both of the singers had a certain vulnerability to them that was really kind of sad. You know, it's really a shame because I think if both of them had lived,
Starting point is 00:25:43 their bands would have been wildly successful, probably sublime more so than blind men. But I kind of think they both would have wildly crazy success. And it's really a shame. Love the show. And I'll look forward to talking to you again. Thank you. Jeff, thanks so much for the call.
Starting point is 00:26:00 I hear you, man. Both, there is a similarity between Shannon, Shannon Houn from Blind Melon and Brad from Sublime. And that tie, that vulnerability tie that you mentioned. I think you're on to something there. I think it's a big part of, it's subtle, but it's there. and their persona. And I also think perhaps more importantly, it's part of what attracted music listeners to them. It's part of what made them relatable as rock stars. And I also agree with you that I think of the two, I think, I don't know if I think that Sublime and Brad, Bradley, you know, it would have
Starting point is 00:26:40 had a more successful career, but at least it would have been, I think it's one that I'm more more interested in having seen progress. And again, I just think that guy was a really, really great singer, not a great singer, but just had a great voice. And it would have been super cool to just hear what became of that, especially because the scene he came from that Southern California kind of punk scene. Just kind of a compelling dude. Appreciate the call. Thanks for calling. Glad you're all caught up with disgrace land. It's a lot of episodes. 617-906-66-6-638 voicemail on text. Jason writes in, hey, I submitted my iced tea Montreal encounter through the portal plus two codas. Sorry, it's so long. I could shorten it, but then it would only be an anecdote.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Feel free to edit if you use it. Thanks for making this interactive rockerola. Jason and the 416 is a Patreon subscriber. And Jason, I know, had some weird run-in with ice tea as a teenager, I believe. And he teased it out on Patreon, said it was too rough and Rowdy to share there and he was going to hit me up. 617-90666-6-6-3-8 and he hit me up. But now it's looking like he, I guess, he said he sent it through the portal plus two codas. This is a long tease, Jason.
Starting point is 00:27:55 I imagine you're talking about emailing. I'm going to check that out. Lauren Griffin writes in through the email portal, I guess. I'm in the email portal, Jason. I can't find anything, dude. Anyways, Lauren here writes, hey Jake, my name is Lauren, and I started listening to disgrace land in November, 24 when I was living in Vancouver, Canada. Since then, I have traveled the world, moved back home to Ireland, and
Starting point is 00:28:15 and even gotten engaged. Congratulations, Lauren, on your engagement. That's pretty awesome. Lauren goes on to say, I'm so happy to say I finally caught up, and I'm finally up to speed with the latest episodes. You were my most listened to podcast last year, it'll probably be the most listened to this year,
Starting point is 00:28:29 or maybe it'll be Hollywood land because I'm moving on to that next. Anyways, just wanted to say, keep doing what you're doing, and hello from the Emerald Island love Lauren. P.S., my fiancé, I lived in Boston for a year, and is obsessed with the place that it's sports teams. He loves the New England Patriots
Starting point is 00:28:44 is staying up until 4 a.m. tonight, tomorrow, to watch the Super Bowl. Go Pats. Lauren, appreciate this. Thanks for the message all the way from Ireland. Happy you're a listener. Happy you're engaged as well. Enjoy the engagement. Enjoy the nuptials. Hit us back. Let us know how it went. And hey, you know, I've officiated some weddings in my day. Just throwing that out there for you, Lauren. All right, let's move on. 617-9066638. Voicemail and text. You guys want to get at me about anything at all. You can also hit me up on Patreon.
Starting point is 00:29:18 We're going to get into some of your responses on Patreon regarding your childhood experiences with live music. We'll also hit up some reviews. And I have got a big pile of crow to eat regarding my New England Patriots coming up right after this. I don't know if you heard that. I just, I just spilled water all over my desk, wiping it off with the sleeve of my flannel shirt right now. This is the second spilled water of the day. Also, I have myself a flat tire this morning, so I'm dealing with that.
Starting point is 00:30:18 It's been a morning, guys. It's been a morning. But you know what? I don't care. I'm grateful. I got nothing but gratitude because this here is the greatest music community on the internet. and off the internet, if I do say so myself. Now, some of you may know, or all of you may know,
Starting point is 00:30:37 I'm not sure that we offer exclusive content to our All Access members, like the All Access section of this after party, where Zeth and I will be discussing Kirk Cobain's suicide and the theory that he was murdered, and we're going to poke some holes in that theory. But last week we were talking about wild concerts from our childhood. That was brought on by our coverage of Jane's Addiction. Got a ton of comments on Patreon on this topic.
Starting point is 00:31:09 And that's the best part about Patreon guys is the community aspect of it. Okay. If you've been on the fence about joining Patreon, I'm not going to make this some big sell. I'm just going to tell you I love engaging with the listeners over there. It's the best getting to know you guys. I love how you guys engage with each other. That's pretty incredible. there's talk circulating about a meetup this year for all of us.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Not sure what we're going to do or where, but I love that. And I just love that we've got this community over there. And right now, the topic of discussion is all of your wild experiences as kids with live music back in the 90s. Some of the 80s, some of the 70s. Roxanne M. writes, craziest experience in a word, guar. Okay, I get it. I get that, Roxanne. I get it.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Kimberly Harris writes, got dragged to a kid. Kiss concert, one of maybe three people at this whole show. My friend, three people. I don't think she means three people. She says, my friend Kelly had been part of Kiss Nation since she was four. I did move when spewed blood on by Gene, and I definitely moved. I went backstage to meet them, and Kelly and her sister lost it, half naked and naked women everywhere. And I am the only black person, all caps. So I definitely was out of my element in the music in the crowd, but the band was super nice. And I was asked by Gene Simmons playfully how the hell it was that I was at this concert, let alone backstage. And my response was that I was dragged along for a girl's night out.
Starting point is 00:32:35 I had a good time. But my friend Kelly and her sister had to be pulled together repeatedly. Kelly's sister did get her, all right, we're going to get into that part. Kimberly's got the best stories. Appreciate you. Becky Johnson writes, hey, I did get kicked in the face at a Rollins band show. I learned quick that if I was standing in front of the stage to grab the stage diver by the ankles and help them over my face.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Were you even alive in the 90s if you were not kicked in the face with a combat boot at a Henry Rollins show, a Rollins band show. Jason Ramsey teases out his iced tea experience. Still looking for that email through the portal, Jason. I'll report back once I get it. Guys, get on the Patreon chat. You don't need to sign up for five bucks to be part of the chat. You can sign up for a dollar to be part of the chat, okay?
Starting point is 00:33:16 Just the buck and you get access to the disgrace lane community. Get in on that action. And if you can't support financially, we get it. you can always support by leaving a review. Oftentimes, I will read some of the reviews back here to you guys on the show. And when I do, that's a signal to you to get in touch. 617-90666-6-638 voicemail and text. And let me know that you heard your review.
Starting point is 00:33:40 And at that point, I will ask you a couple questions and I'll get you some merch as a nice little thank you. It's a nice little token of my appreciation. Now, I can't say exactly what that merch might be, but I'm looking at some stickers here in my desk and some pins. I've got some shirts. I got a whole bunch of stuff that was just on earth. I know I was supposed to mail this stuff out last week. I did not do that. I ended up going to New England for the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:34:02 And I am delayed. What can I say? Like I said, I'm having myself a little bit of a day here. I had a couple water and coffee malfunctions. And I got a flat tire waiting on a tow truck. Come by my house. Pick up my car, bring it to the dealership. But I will get merch out shortly to the winners.
Starting point is 00:34:21 If you yourself want to be a winner, I encourage you to go to Apple Podcasts or to Spotify and to leave a review for disgrace. And it helps with Discovery of the show and we are super appreciative of it. Disgraceful. M. Smith 9579 on Apple Podcasts writes, hey, thanks for all the great content and stories.
Starting point is 00:34:39 I'm really appreciative of the music that I have been exposed to because of your platform. I'll go to Apple Music and look up artists that have been subject matter on the show. I've gotten into more punk and hardcore and I've always been a thrash metal guy and this just adds to my life. Keep it coming.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Thank you. M. Smith, 9579. I love that. Happy you're getting exposed to new music because of disgrace land. Check out Mia Zapat and the Gits if you have not already. Anne XTian, AnnixT on Spotify, writes, I just want to say how much I love this podcast. I'm such a music girl. And as much as I think I know about artists and their stories, you always give me some cool new info. I love sharing with my friends. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You know what? That's what it's all about. Getting this new information, new story. having something to talk about with our fellow music obsessives,
Starting point is 00:35:26 whether it's in the Patreon chat, whether it's at the barbecue, whether it's at your next dinner party, whether it's wherever you're standing on the side of the soccer field, talking to a mom or dad, and I don't know, maybe they're wearing a sublime shirt. You want to tell them a little bit about your knowledge of Bradley Noel
Starting point is 00:35:41 that you heard here on disgrace land. We like to say that this is the podcast that'll make you dangerous at dinner parties. I got to call this out. February 13th, that's this week. That was the date back in 2018, however, February 13th, 2018, that we released our first ever episode of disgrace land. That means this podcast is eight years old this week.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Eight years old. I cannot believe that. I was talking to somebody in the podcast industry a couple weeks ago, and she referred to me as a veteran of the podcast industry, a veteran. I didn't like it, to be honest with it. I don't feel like a veteran. I mean, I don't feel like I've been in this for that long.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Everything still feels new to me. Honestly, it all feels like it's growing. I'm still finding ways to be inspired. I'm still finding stories that inspire me that make me want to crack the books, get under the hood. Zeth, Matt, myself, we're still totally compelled
Starting point is 00:36:43 to find unique ways to tell these stories, to do so with audio, to do so with music, scoring, with sound design. and the more of you that come into the space that are new, the more of you that may be listening and decide, hey, I'm going to get involved with the disgracing community, with the discos, I'm going to just, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:02 just going to go in there, share a little bit about myself, ask some questions on the Patreon or on Instagram or wherever. The more of that happens, it just, it's fuel, and it makes everything feel fresh and new and exciting. And it's the greatest job in the world. I was born to do this. So was Zeth. So was Matt.
Starting point is 00:37:19 They're both uniquely talented to bring. bring something special and incredible to disgrace and to what we do here to the storytelling. And it is a new year. And we've got some awesome stuff in the works for you in 2020. Really going to push everything further than we ever have before creatively. You're going to be very excited. I promise you. Just wanted to say thank you to all you listeners.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Eight years. I can't believe it. I don't even know how many episodes we have. Eight years. That's crazy. We've got to be around 260 episodes at this point. Anyways, much love, much gratitude. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Stop by Patreon. Say hello. Or just give me a call. 617-90666-6-6-6-3-8. Say what's up. Send me a voicemail. Listen, I got to eat some crow here. All right? I got to, um, look, I had all the shit talk in my mouth last week when it came to
Starting point is 00:38:14 the Patriots. Not the Patriots, the Patriots, the Patriots. In the Seattle, Seahawks. My goodness, man. That game kicked my ass. Kick the Patriots ass, actually, if I'm being, for being real about it. So, Matt, before I go any further, let's get this ready, okay? This is the 60-second sports rant
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Starting point is 00:38:49 Matt, give me that buzzer. Look, I got to, I got to just say, Seahawks fans, congratulations. Patriots haters, go F yourself. We will be back. You know what? I can't even go to We'll be back yet. I just got, I got to, again, I talk so much crap about this.
Starting point is 00:39:08 I just have to say, congrats to the Seahawks fans. I was wrong. I thought our coach and our quarterback would overcome what was playing to me as a better team. team that was the Seahawks. But that did not happen. We got our butts handed to us. We were outmanned. We were outplayed. We were outcoached. It was a supreme butt kicking. And you know what? I'm not ashamed to say it because we've lost Super Bowls in the past here in New England. We've probably
Starting point is 00:39:41 lost more Super Bowls than a lot of other franchises have even played in. We're up to six losses now. Okay, and I know we're also six wins. So I know, I know, I know we'll be back. I know we'll be back. And the Pats, I believe, may be playing in Seattle next year. I think the AFC East plays the NFC West next year. I could be wrong. If that's the case, Shea Simpson, I will see you out there
Starting point is 00:40:06 and I will buy you some drinks at whatever your stadium's called. I've always wanted to go to that stadium. I always wanted to. There's a lot of, there's a handful of stadiums I always want to go to. That's one of them. So maybe next year will be the time. and to make up to make up for my my sports sins to my Seattle brethren, specifically Ushay, who I talked some crap about here last week.
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Starting point is 00:40:58 Guys, I got to watch a movie today. I got to watch a movie today in preparation of our new video podcast. This film should be played loud, which is available for all access members on Patreon only. And that movie that I am watching is Boogie Nights. Because that is the soundtrack. Zeth and I are going to get into in the next episode. of this film should be played loud, which you will all be able to watch via Patreon.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Not only we get this film should be played loud, you'll get all those Hollywoodland and disgrace land episodes add free speaking to Hollywoodland. Zethe's bringing to the Hollywoodland vibes weekly. Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland and the Hollywoodland podcast feed. We'll be back right after this. All right, guys, we mentioned a ton of disgrace land subjects in this episode. Sublime.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Lane Staley, Otis Redding, Jimmy Hendricks, Nirvana, Chris Cornell. Matt will grab the episode notes for a handful of these episodes, drop them in the show notes of this after-party to help you more easily navigate to those stories should you want to find them amongst our super vast library of content. But alas, it is time for me to go. So I'm about to take off, but let's recap real quick. Number one, this week, our new episode on Mia Zapata and the Gits is available for you right now. Our rewind episode, that's on Lane Staley from Allison Chains. That's coming up right after this
Starting point is 00:42:33 after party. Number three, next week, a new episode on Hunter S. Thompson. Number four, Zet's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes over in the Hollywoodland podcast, so make sure you're subscribed. Number five, this film should be played loud. That's our new video podcast. We've got a new episode on train spotting that's up right now. We've got another one on Goodfellas, and we're in the process of making a third on Boogie Nights coming your way at the end of this month. Number six, 617-90666-66-6-6-3-8, your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with the answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Number seven, don't forget this goes, this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, Mia Zapata of the Gitz passed away on July 7, 1993. Here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, week by SWV.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 12. Number two, that's the way love goes by Janet Jackson. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 11. Number three, who.
Starting point is 00:43:49 There it is. Tag team. Last week, four. Peak position. Three, weeks on chart, seven. Number four, can help falling in love from sliver. Last week, seven, peak position, four, weeks on chart, nine. Number five, knocking the boots, age down, last week,
Starting point is 00:44:12 peak position, three, weeks on church. Talking and start mixing.

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