DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Aussie Rock, Trailblazing Individualists, and a Boomer Blunder

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

This week Jake talks the trailer and upcoming subjects in DISGRACELAND's Icons series, this week's REWIND episode on Run DMC, plus answers your DMs, texts, voicemails, emails, and Insta Live questions. Who do you want to see an episode on? Thoughts on the Jam Master Jay killing and current trial? Get in touch at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod, and come join the After Party. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends.

Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. My first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in. Do that.

David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Dennis Leary, Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things, Tana Monsu, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Movies can make you feel, make you dream. Sometimes they even make you appreciate architecture. Is there anybody who's been hotter in a doorway than Elizabeth Taylor? That's the kind of analysis you'll find every week on Dear Movies I Love You, the new podcast from the Exactly Right Network. Every Tuesday, we break down the films we're crushing on, from blockbusters to deep cuts. Listen to Dear Movies I Love You on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, guys, thanks for checking out this bonus episode. Before we get into it, I wanted to fill you in on all the great content we've got for you this week.

Here in Disgraceland, we just dropped the trailer for what we've got coming this year, 2004. for our icon series, as we're calling it. Over in the Badlands Feed, check out a rewind episode on Spider-Savich, the great downhill skier who has connections to both Hunter S. Thompson and the Rolling Stones. We've also got another new episode on our show for kids and families' music land stories.

You can find that over in the show's feed. All right, let's get into it, shall we? Hey, Discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party.

Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this episode, we are talking about, among other things, the disgraceland icon series, The Run DMC Rewind episode, and of course, your voicemails, text, DMs and more, and as always, a whole lot of rosy.

All right, discos, let's get into it. This week in Disgraceland, dig, if you will, the trailer, not for the new season of the show, but for the new phase, the whole damn year. That's right. Meet the new boss not quite the same as the old boss, because, as you know, having put that trailer in your ears already, I'm sure, is that in 2024, we are casting a, wider net here in disgrace land. Insane stories about musicians getting away with murder and behaving very badly. Yes, of course, that is our bread and butter. But this year, we are expanding beyond the world of music to talk about icons, no matter if they make music, they make art, they make films, they make food. If they are iconic figures who possess dangerously compelling rock and roll hearts,

we are digging in. I said it in the trailer. I'm going to repeat it. again here. These are the subjects that we got lined up for you in the new 2004 disgraceland icon series. Anthony Bourdain, Andy Warhol, Hunter S. Thompson, Peter Tosh, Steve McQueen, Van Halen, Lane Staley of Allison Chains, Kobe Bryant, Public Enemy, Basquiat, Garth Brooks, William S. Burroughs, Chris Cornell, Bob Dylan, R. Kelly, Jose Konseco, Bobby Brown, Waylon Jennings, and that is just some of what we've got planned for you in the first half of this year. Lots of other stuff happening real soon as well.

Trust me, you're going to be the first ones to hear about it right here in the RSS feed, so stay tuned. All right, I almost forgot. We're kicking off this icon series in a few weeks mid-February with the Anthony Bourdain episode. But before that, we've got two more brand new episodes of disgrace land coming at you next week, a new episode on Scott Weiland from Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet Revolver. This is one of those artists that's been requested since. day one of disgrace land. I'm really happy to be bringing it to you guys. I think you're going to

dig it. That's coming up. Let's see, a couple days, Tuesday that'll be in your feeds. Then the week after that, an episode that is near and dear to my heart, and that I am stoked to tell you about, and that I am stoked to tell you the story of. That is the story of the clash, all about their legendary stand at Bond International Casino and Times Square back in the early 1980s when hip-hop was just starting to really take off. In The Clash, we're one of the first rock bands to really gravitate towards that whole scene. So you're going to dig this, I promise. Speaking of hip-hop tomorrow in your disgrace land feed, we've got a new Rewind episode. I know that's kind of an oxymoron. We've got a rewind episode from our archive on Run DMC, 617-906-66-6638.

Call me, leave me a voicemail. Let me know what you think of that Run DMC episode. Let me know how excited you are to hear this Clash episode, the new icon series, anything. I'll talk to you about anything you want to talk about. Got text as well. Got that option, 617-90666-66-3-8. And of course, Disgrace-Lam Pod on the socials, particularly at Disgracelam pod on Instagram. Not sure if you guys have been checking out

what we've been doing over there, but we've been doing these little one-minute reels. They're like micro versions of the stories that we do here in the podcast, and I've been releasing them now for some time, but in the past two, three weeks, I've really kicked it up. we've upped the quality of the edit we got our friend danny helping us out on the edit and uh these have been

rolling out pretty regularly almost daily and created uh a little bit of a moment for us over on instagram i know we i say this because i know we have a lot of new followers uh not only over there in instagram but also hopefully here in the rss feed for the podcast so if you're new and you're hearing this podcast for the first time know that this is not the podcast. This is the podcast after the podcast. This is the bonus episode that comes after the full episode that is on the artist. So as you're scrolling through the feed, you see all those artist names, you know the ones I'm talking about, the ones that say Prince and the Rolling Stones and Iggy Pop and David Bowie and blah, blah, blah, the podcast episodes that are titled

by the artist name. Those are the full episodes. The Real Deal, that's what you want to start with if you're new here in disgrace land. These are just bonus episodes. We call them the after party. This is me commenting on the episode that we just released. It's teeing up the episode that's coming next week and doing a little engagement with the listeners here on voicemail, on text. Again, 617-90666-638. If you're new, you want to give me a call, go ahead. You can leave me a text as well. And this is where all that engagement happens right here. All right? So now, we get the lay of the land. I mentioned the voicemail. I mentioned the text. I mentioned Instagram and the other social channels.

We also do emails, disgracelam pod at gmail.com. We're going to do an email right now, right here. All right, let's do this email from Doug Jacobs' subject, dime, message says, Jake, just listen to the rewind on dime bag darrell from

Pantera. The writing was impeccable. The ending tragic. As a long-time metalhead and guitarist, the story of Eddie Van Halen, burying his guitar with dime bag, is one of legend. One that I have retold dozens of times. But your words and your delivery brought tears to my eyes. Keep up the awesome work. And thank you for bringing the show to everyone everywhere, Van Fucking Halen. You got it, Doug Jacobs.

I appreciate that, man. I really, really do. You know, I didn't know that story about Eddie Van Halen and Dynbag Daryl when, before I got into the research to write the Pantera, or I should say the Dimebag Daryl episode. And, you know, it's just completely just, just, just, cuts you. It's just, it's so heart-wrenching. And there was so much love for that guy. And to see what Eddie Van Halen did there at the end for his friend was just, it was incredible. And I wanted to bring it to the episode. So I'm very happy to hear that you liked how we landed it there. Thank you, Doug. I appreciate the email. Let's do this email here from awe. Who are we from here? Linnell O'Brien, subject, Aussie Rock, question mark. Hey, guys, I'm an Aussie, and I love your

podcasts. I listen most days whilst working. If you can do more Aussie bands, that would be awesome. Silver chair, the divinels, ACDC, and may not be so well known, Grinspoon, spider bait, Frenzel Rome. Thanks guys. Maybe Steve Miller band. They should get more praise if you ask me. Smiley face from Lonell O'Brien. Linell, you'll be happy to know that there is an ACDC episode. All right. It's there. It's waiting for you. It's in the art. archive right now. You can go listen to it. Nothing is stopping you. Okay. If you have trouble and I'll hit me back. I'll help you find it. But it should be pretty easy to find. The divinals, I did not know they were in Australian band. So that's interesting. I wonder if there's any sort of

crime or scandal there. Silver chair? I don't know. That would make my wife, my wife happy. I think she thinks that dude's hot. Grinspoon, never heard of them, but I'll check these other bands out. Appreciate it. All right, you guys can email me, disgrace landpod at gmail.com, and I will answer your questions. Also, if you're listening on the podcast, I'm recording this live on Instagram

on Wednesday afternoon. We get some questions there. I're going to answer those, too, as we go through the recording of this bonus episode. Rick Jacobson 80 says, What shocked you on the new season? Rick is, of course, referring to the new icons season

that we are ready to launch that I've been talking about for most of this episode already. And I'll tell you, Rick Jacobson, 80, what has shocked me from this new season. It took me about three days to dig out of the Anthony Bourdain fog once I got done researching and writing that episode, which I spent more time than I usually do, putting an episode together, putting a story together.

And what I found to be shocking was how do I say this? without being insulting or sound like I'm trying to be mean because I'm not. But I guess I was shocked. For somebody who was such a trailblazing individualist like Anthony Bourdain, I was really shocked at how he subverted his own personality in the end. From somebody who was so damn subversive, and that was part of what was so appealing about him, to see him do it to himself really shocked me.

I don't want to go into too much detail here. You're going to hear all about it in a couple weeks. But when you ask me what's shocking me about this season, that's what strikes me. Let's take this question here from Schmeli. Says, I think you're going to do these live events more often. And I would say, yeah, I think so. I usually record these episodes on Wednesdays. Sean, who puts them together, would really like it if I would do them earlier in the day.

I tend to get to them much later. because I get sidetracked, and I apologize, Sean, here publicly to you. But yeah, I think I am going to try to record these around noon this time every week. So if you want to pop in, this is where I will be. And you can always email me to disgrace. Atgeline pot at gmail.com. All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break back in a flash with your voicemails and your texts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games. You get stupid problems. And Rule 2, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends.

Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When, like, young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. My first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary.

I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance. Like he's about to attack me. Like making karate noises. And his entire the Kardashians family over there, everybody's going. And the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. And I immediately know that I've been asleep walking. David O'Yellowo.

I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religious. or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that.

Did you practice that on your way over? Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Tena, Monjou, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Child on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back. Let's do some voicemails and some texts. Well, good, Jake.

This is you mad T. Martin T. Mack in the building. This is Terry St. from the D. Man, hey, I love this show. I would love you to do something with some black comedians, specifically Bernie Mac, Red Fox, Nipsey Russell, and especially Dick Gregory, the true first black president. If you get this brother, I hope you can get it on. Love the show. Rock and roll up.

All right, that is T-Mack calling in with a great suggestion. And T-Mack, I got a hat I'm going to wear for you in the live next week. If you're on Instagram, jump in the live while I record the bonus episode, I got a special hat. I'm going to wear just for you, just for this recommendation. Paging Zeth Lundy, our head of editorial. some great, great, great, great recommendations here. Dick Gregory, Red Fox, Nipsey Russell. Of course, we did a Nipsey Hustle.

I know that's vastly different episode, but I love the idea of doing some of these comedians. So thank you for the recommendation. Team Mac. Appreciate it. All right, let's do another voicemail here. Hey, Jake, this is Curtis from a 513. I was listening to your bonus episode

and I do recommend it that you do a segment or an episode on Andy Kaufman. I agree, but just to help you out, there is an episode of Dark Side of the Ring with the Story of Andy Kaufman. You need to watch that for some research. There's a lot of good shit in that, man. Peace. All right, Curtis, appreciate it, man. Andy Kaufman, that's the second week in a row we received a request for an Andy Kaufman episode.

I think we're going to get into that, and I think we're going to get into it on the sooner side. And I appreciate the research tip as well. 617-906-66-66-38. Hit me up. Voicemail and text. Those of you in the live that don't know that we do this. Now you know. Now you got no excuse. All right. You got no excuse. Here we go. What else we got? What else we got? Let's do this one from the 559. All right. Appreciate that. Yeah, that guy goes into a long rant, but I appreciate it. We rock because of the help of the double Elvis folks here on the production side. You guys can see my grimy as fuck studio here on the live behind me.

I'm in the closet. Let's do some texts. What do we got here? This one. I'm going to bang through these texts as quick as I can. I got a lot of text. All right, this one from the 214. Hey, Jake, David from the 214, originally the 618.

I know it's a little late, but I think you could definitely find some stuff on Stephen King's pass to produce an episode with. I've been listening since day one, and I'll keep listening to the end of the Elvis episodes. Rocka-Rola. Stephen King, man, that's interesting. What is there? I don't know. But it would be cool to do something on Stephen King and to kind of go all horror with it. I like that.

I mean, I know there's that time you get hit by the car. That's pretty messed up. The 207 sends in a request, The Toxic Twins, Stephen Tyler and Joe fucking Perry, 207. Listen, man, no need to curse, I kid. But we did do a, we did an Arrowsmith episode. It's in the archive. Go get it, okay?

It's there for you. 703 writes, and, hey, have you done anything about Little Feet? I hate to think that I missed it if you did. I'm a boomer, but I love what you do. Thanks for your deep dives. Oh, by the way, I'm Denise from the DMV. that's DC, Maryland, Virginia, where Little Feet had their biggest fan base.

You know, I love the boomers. I went on a rant about the boomers a couple of these bonus episodes back. And it wasn't about boomers in general, okay? It was about a specific type of boomer, the Yon Wenner, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, narcissistic as all fuck type of boomer. Did not mean for it to apply to everybody

who was born, you know, in the wake of World War II, pre-Vietnam. Okay? So for those of you that I offended, I am deeply sorry, truly did not mean to offend you. Glad to see that we got a boomer sticking around here in the form of Denise. And because of that, I might just look into the little feet for her and see what we can come up with. Let's see, this one from the 305 writes, and sometimes I get caught up on some of the music you use in the background of both your shows. It's all really interesting and I like it a lot, but sometimes I can hear something recognizable. Is the song playing in the background of the Paul Newman episode

right after he gets torn apart inside the actor's studio by Jackie Trehorne, inspired by Be Stiff by Devo? I don't know, I don't know. Who knows where inspiration comes from? Could be, but I don't remember that or know that we talked about that, talked about taking care of Devo, inspirationally there with Paul Newman. But I like the grab, I really do.

630 writes in, Hey, thanks for the mention on the bonus episode, May My Day. episode suggestion, Lita Ford. I love Lita Ford, okay? You can't be my age and not love Lita Ford. All right. Speaking of which, I should write about Lita Ford. We're doing these nostalgia videos on Instagram and on TikTok at Disgraceland Pot.

And they're basically like me. I'm not in the videos, but I narrate them. And what I'm trying to do is bring you into my bedroom when I was a teenager, an older teenager. Lusely speaking, excuse me, via the number one song in America, via MTV, via whatever crime was happening

during that time, via the culture, the magazines, the records I was consuming, the TV shows I was watching, the movies I was going to see. And I'm doing this all in these 15, 20-second clips. So I think I have an idea for Rita Ford. Dr. Cabo here from,

where are you from? 630. Check that out at Graceland Pot, all right? Let's see. Get another Andy Kaufman request here on text 61790666-6638. Thurston Moore? No, Houston Moore, not Thurston Moore. Text me, let me know what you want to hear. Let me know what you think of these episodes. I'm going to take a quick break back in a flash. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games. You get stupid prizes. And rule two, Never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends.

Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When, like, young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. My first thing is always,

can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance like he's about to attack me. Like, making karate noises. And the entire the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going,

and the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. I immediately know that I've been asleep walking. David O'Yellow-O. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kimman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear,

not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over? Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Tena Monsu. Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver. And more.

Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the Iheart Radio app, podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back from the break. Welcome back to the bonus after party episode. You know, you guys, if you're new and you're hearing the bonus episode here in the podcast feed for the first time, or if you're on the live and you're new to disgrace land and you don't yet know the lay of the land, how we produce these shows, how we release these shows, specifically.

Here's how your week goes in disgrace land. All right? on Tuesdays, you get the full episode that I was talking about before. Okay, the episodes that are on the artists, all right? As I said before, you scroll through, you see Jay-Z, you see Run DMC, you see Taylor Swift, you see Frank Sinatra. Those are the full episodes that are titled by the artist's name. Those come out on Tuesdays.

On Thursdays, you get these episodes, the after-party bonus episodes. These are chat episodes. These are episodes where I talk to the audience. They call me, they leave me voice. You call me, you leave me voicemails, you send me text, and I answered them like I did in that last segment, okay? On Fridays, we re-release an old archive episode, and that is because we now have over 140 full episodes, possibly more, I don't even know, too many to account, and as you can see from

earlier when I was taking voicemails and taking text, sometimes people request episodes that we've already created, and they have no idea that they already exist because they're buried in the friggin' archive. So on Fridays, we resurface one of those episodes. This Friday, you're going to hear the Run DMC episode, okay? It's coming out again, all right? And we're doing it this week because the trial for the 2002 murder of Jammaster Jay finally began. Two men are on trial for killing Run DMC's DJ in his New York recording studio.

Prosecutors say that Jamester Jay's godson and a childhood friend carried out the murder. But both men have pleaded not guilty. Jamester Jay was only 37 years old when he was shot. That's fucking incredible, and it's very sad. We described this episode as follows when it originally came out back in, oh, damn, when did it come out? April 2020, part of Season 5, I'm reading right here. We described it as such. Run DMC is directly responsible for elevating hip-hop to previously unimagined heights.

They took rap music into an entirely different direction, helped mainstream the genre. They were beloved as musicians, innovators, and people. none more than their DJ Jason Jam Master Jay Mizzle. Mizzle. How do you say that? I should know. I apologize. Which makes understanding a senseless murder near impossible.

Who killed Jamaster J and why? And why are there literally zero suspects when there were numerous eyewitnesses? Well, it sounds like we got some suspects now, doesn't it? I didn't write that description. I would have added to that description had I written it that one of Run DMC's primary contributions to hip-hop culture was not only their incredible, music, of course, but they're incredible style. And we get into this in the episode. Okay, Run DMC was the first hip hop group really of note to make it big that wasn't trying to dress

like, I don't know, they're part of some fucking funk talent show or something. They dressed in street clothes, be boy style, jeans, t-shirts, sweatshirts, and just like fucking Adidas, maybe a Kangle. It was that simple. And no one had really done that before. And it was revolutionary when they brought it and people said it wasn't going to work and it did work and i love those types of stories disgrace land is one of those types of stories actually if i could be so bold to say so so that run dmc episode is coming it's coming on friday check it out have you seen the run dmc uh the television show is that out yet i think it's coming next week or it's coming very shortly on a peacock i believe so uh let's watch that and let's uh let's talk about it here all right 617 906 666 638 voicemail and text

at Disgracelampod on Instagram, on TikTok, on YouTube, on Facebook, on X, everywhere. Hit me up. I'm taking a quick break back in a flash. All right, we are back. We are back here in the bonus episode of the After Party. Welcome back. We're going to recap real quick. Again, 617-90666-6638.

Call me on voicemail. Call me on the telephone. Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text. You can hit me up on Instagram at Disgraceland Pod on X at Discracelam pod on Facebook, on YouTube as well. All right. I'm everywhere. TikTok. Did I say TikTok? I'm there too. I should be there more. I'm not there enough, but I am there. I promise you.

All right now in your feed, the trailer for this year's disgrace land icon series, all the episodes we're doing and all the context we can fit in a trailer. Check that out. Number two, coming tomorrow, a rewind episode on Run DMC. Number three, over in the Badlands Feed, we've got a new rewind episode on Spider-Savich. You want to check that out. Number four next week in the Disgraceland feed. A brand new episode on Scott Weiland. Number five, my number, six one seven, nine. No 6663638. Call me on the telephone or text me. Six, remember, no one cares about the music you love more than you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, for my moment of bliss in honor of this week's Rewind episode,

me reading you, the directory from Queens, New York, from winter 1939 to 1940. Burnmaster, M.E. Gumman 3-1-558. Bernard M. Mass. Ranger 4-0-4-6. Burnash Thomas C.L. 3-8179. Vernel, Benjamin, Virginia, 7-55. Burns, Winiford, Public, 9-7961.

Burnett, Independence, 3-3986. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. They take matters into their own hands. I vowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends.

Trust me, babe. On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. your podcast. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. My first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in.

Do that. David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Dennis Leary, Gaten Moderato from Stranger Things, Tana Monjou, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sometimes a suspect is found guilty before a verdict is ever read in court. On the Wicked Words podcast, I talk with the writers who dig deep into the cases that changed history, including Marsha Clark, who went from prosecuting one of the most famous murder cases to writing crime fiction.

It doesn't matter that you didn't take part in the murder. If you were at the scene at all, you're guilty of murder. Every week, the real story is revealed. Join us every Monday for new episodes of Wicked Words. Listen to Wicked Words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.