DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Backmasking and the Death of the Dangerous Rockstar

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

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Hey, Discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party.

This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about our new story,

backmasking and the death of the dangerous rock star because of our new episode on Judas Priest. We're rewining back to our spooky Robert Johnson tale, previewing next week's episode on The Exorcist, and we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. In 1990, the national news reported on a Judas Priest's court.

case, and the heavy metal band was accused of inciting fans to commit suicide. Specifically, authorities accuse the English group of including hidden messages in their songs that could only be heard by playing vinyl copies of their albums backward. This practice, known as backmasking, wasn't a new concept in 1990. But what was new in 1990 was the idea that many in mainstream America seriously believed that rock stars were due to. dangerous enough to want to cause intentional harm, even death to their fans. The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy Osbourne, each endured backmasking controversies. In the 1960s, the Beatles were accused of including the backward message,

Turn Me On Dead Man in their song, Revolution No. 9, a supposed reference to their supposed dead bass player, Paul McCartney. In the 70s, Led Zeppelin were accused of backmasking the message here's to my sweet Satan, a lyric that one could supposedly decipher by playing the Zeppelin tune Stairway to Heaven backward. In the 80s, in an event that would foreshadow the Judas priest scandal, Ozzy Osbourne was sued for criminal negligence, accused by the parents of a young fan of including subliminal messages in his song, Suicide Solution, and inciting their son to kill himself. The idea that rock stars would go out of their way to design backerner, backward messaging in their recordings with the intent of causing harm to their fans is absurd.

But the point is that in decades past, people believed this to be true. So much so that Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest were forced into court to defend lawsuits brought against them. Now, who would believe that rock stars were this dangerous? Well, lots of people. And it turns out they had good reasons. reason. In 1966, when the Beatles John Lennon said publicly that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ, 91% of Americans identified as Christians compared to today when just 61% of Americans identify as Christians. Naturally, a massive backlash against the Beatles took place after

these comments. Lenin was accused of blasphemy. Beatles records were burned. Their music was banned on certain radio stations throughout the American South, and Lenin was forced to publicly apologize. In 1985, when the Led Zeppelin biography, Hammer of the Gods, was published, news of the group's unspeakable sexual depravity involving a mud shark spread throughout every high school in America. And despite the questionable veracity of the book's author and its sources, many believed this story and still do.

And in 1981, when Ozzy Osbourne shocked CBS Records executives by biting the head off of a live dove in the middle of a business meeting and then repeated the animal abuse on stage a year later by biting the head off of a bat, parents of teenage metalheads across the United States were horrified. Who were these lunatics entertaining American children? Blasphemy, unspeakable acts of depravity, animal abuse. We can question the seriousness of the intent behind all of these controversies, but you can't deny the shocking impact that each event had. These stories and more. Vince Neal from Motley Cruz's drunk driving incident that killed Nicholas Razel Dingley, drummer for Hanoi Rocks. Axel Rose from Guns and Roses inciting a riot at one of the band's shows. Billy Idol compelling hotel management to call the Thai military

to evict him from a Bangkok hotel over his debauchous and violent behavior. These tales of rock and roll excess made national and sometimes international news. Authorities and parents had serious questions about the entertainers their children were being exposed to, dangerous rock stars. This fear and doubt burst into mainstream consciousness in 1985 when the PMRC, the Parents Music Resource Center, a music censorship advocacy group spearheaded by Tipper Gore, wife of then Democrat Senator Al Gore, argued in front of the entire country in a live televised Senate hearing

that popular musicians posed a dangerous threat to young people and specifically accused Led Zeppelin and other groups of backmasking. Senate testimony didn't prove that rock stars were intentionally trying to harm young fans through backmasking. In fact, Frank Zappa, in his testimony against the PMRC's accusations, thoroughly destroyed their arguments saying the whole issue of hidden messages, backward masking and all that. If you play any record backwards long enough, you'll eventually hear what you want to hear. It's the same as looking at clouds.

People see what they want. It is not scientific and it's not serious. And despite the testimony of Frank Zappa, the PMRC did prevail. The RIA, the Recording Industry Association of America, agreed to include a warning sticker on albums deemed offensive. Sacrilegious snark, sex with mud sharks, headless bats, deadly drunk driving incidents, riots, debauchery, in a nationally televised Senate hearing, all contributed to an environment of fear in moral panic, and came to a head in 1990 when the parents of a Judas Priest fan, James Vance, accused the band of backmasking messages intended to compel listeners to kill themselves. Vance was horribly disfigured

in a suicide pack with his friend and fellow Judas Priest fan, Raymond Belknap, who shot and killed himself on December 23, 1985. As ridiculous as this lawsuit sounds, the idea that musicians would exert time, money, and creative energy in the recording studio to design secret messaging with the express purpose of causing harm, even death to their fans, as absurd as this idea is, this is not the point. The point is that in the 1980s, people actually believed that rock stars were dangerous enough to do what they were being accused of. The Judas Priest backmasking case was very real. Ozzy Osborne faced his own lawsuit over the same issue in 1987, and Led Zeppelin's name was smeared all over the floor of the United States Senate.

Rob Halford, a singer in a heavy metal band, was, along with his bandmates, forced into court to testify to his innocence in a lawsuit accusing him of wanting to kill his fans. This would never happen today. Rock stars simply aren't seen as being dangerous enough. Sure, some mainstream rockers play with dark imagery, but not in any serious kind of. kind of way, not in a way that results in lawsuits or accusations of compelling the deaths of fans. The rock star, or the myth of the dangerous rock star, hasn't been eliminated, but it has been domesticated. Today's rock stars by comparison, or at least the perception of today's rock stars,

is safe. And I would argue, for better or worse anyway, that that's boring. These days, Public fear and paranoia is expressed toward hip-hop artists like Travis Scott and Lil Nas X. And if we're to believe certain corners of the internet, it's through these artists that the devil now expresses himself. But as for the myth of the dangerous rock star, it's dead. But I am very much alive. And I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, text, emails, and answers on who you think the greatest heavy metal acts of all time are. More after this. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

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and he knows something happened. His father just grabs him and says she's gone. She's gone. These are the cases that leave survivors, families, and the journalists who cover them changed forever. Working in national television, it'll push you to your limits, and you'll end up doing things you never thought you'd do. You look back at it, and you're like,

I can't believe that. really happened. Join me and step inside the investigation. New episodes drop every Monday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Wicked Words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back and we are dangerous as ever. That entire piece on backmasking that you just heard was obviously inspired by our recent episode on Judas Priest.

The whole subject totally fascinates me. the fact that people actually believed what they believed, the urban myths that backmasking created. If you're of a certain age, you heard all those stories growing up like I did. And I wanted to give the subject a little more time, thus the piece at the top of this episode. Another subject relative to Judas Priest that we didn't cover in our full story, in our full episode, I should say, was the arrest and imprisonment of Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland for abusing a minor with Lerner. learning disabilities. I was shocked to discover a part of this story that I was previously oblivious to regarding the band's thoughts on their drummer's arrest. And what happened after that? Certainly not part of the public narratives surrounding Dave Holland and Judas Priest. You can sort of connect the dots here

and come to a very, very interesting conclusion. Disgracing on All Access members can hear that conclusion and that story in our mini episode this week, available for Patreon and Apple subscribers, five bucks a month to get that content along with ad-free listening and more. Just go to disgrace-lampod.com to sign up before those prices go up at the end of October and know that when you do sign up, you're supporting the show and we really appreciate that. Speaking of myths, were we speaking a myth? I don't know. I feel like we're always doing some sort of myth work here. And in this week's rewind episode on Robert Johnson, we play with the myth that Robert Johnson, we play with the myth that Robert Johnson sold the soul to the devil for success, which to me is kind of wrote, kind of boring.

I've got a different take on Robert Johnson and the devil and you're not going to want to miss it. This episode has some of our best and creepiest sound design perfect for Halloween. So make sure you don't miss it. It's coming up directly after this bonus episode. Next week, all the chills hit when we dive into our exorcist story again on the Halloween tip. do yourself a favor and download that episode. Climb into bed, turn off the lights, put some headphones on, and be prepared to creep out with us on my favorite episodes. When we originally released this story last year, we received a ton of positive feedback from you guys, including some

who are connected to the story, which is really fascinating. We knew we had an instant Halloween classic, so I'm excited to listen again, and I hope you are too. All right? The Exorcist story is indeed creepy and deals with some heavy issues. But it also prompts a really fun question. What is the scariest movie by your estimation? The scariest movie of all time. I don't know how you want to term it. Whatever scares the hell out of you. We talked about this last year and got a boatload of responses. We're still getting responses on it, if I'm being totally honest. So I know it's a subject that still has legs. And I know that some of you guys are constantly watching new horror and watching old horror and updating your, you're, you know, you're, you're, you're, you.

your list of favorite scary movies. So when you're listening to The Exorcist episode next week, be thinking about which movies has scared you the most, which have really freaked you the hell out, whether they're old classics, new ones, things you've seen since last year, and we talked about this last, whatever it is, hit me up, let me know, 617-906-66-6638, leave a voicemail and a text. I love getting hip to horror movies that I haven't seen and reminded of classics that I need to re-watch this year. 617-9066-66-6-38 call. Let me know which scary movies freak you out the most and what we all need to be watching this Halloween. All right. And on the subject of you guys and your voicemails, excuse that chair in the background, sliding across the floor. I moved the studio around a little bit yesterday.

Trying to go for a little, a fresh look here, more of a flat background. You know, and I'm still settling in here. All right. So excuse that rolling chair. There is. again. Anyways, on the subject of you guys in your voicemails and text, let's hear your answers to last week's question of the week on the heavy metal artists that are on your Mount Rushmore of heavy metal. Let's hear from Ben in the 803. Hey, Jay, back in my wheelhouse as a young impressionable guy in the 80s during the heyday of the heavy metal era, if you will, learning to play guitar and naturally gravitated towards Van Halen, Vi, I'm Alamstein, those guys.

But when you're talking about bands, there was just something big and majestic and, well, downright British, obviously, about the two best metal bands of all time, in my opinion. They would be one in one eight, and that would be Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. Those guys just hit different. And, you know, again, when you're going from listening to Van Halen and all this stuff for the river guitars, and then you hear the, you hear, you know, Glenn Tip. and K.K. Downing, those guys, and the way they were doing their dual guitar

melodies and everything else. It was just, everything was a little bit bigger and badder, you know what I mean? And then ultimate concert ever was probably the Iron Maiden Power Slave Tour. I still have nightmares about 80 coming at me. Thanks a lot, Jake. Keep up the great word.

Rock'a Rolla. Ben, I feel the Van Halen love, and I agree with you. Iron Maiden and Judas Priest just hit different. This didn't make it into the Judas Priest episode, but it was one of the things that I found I didn't get to write about it. I didn't know this. I wasn't surprised to read that Iron Maiden opened up for Judas Priest early on in their career.

But what I did find that was surprising was that in KK. Downing's book, he talks about how he basically, he doesn't say he hates Iron Maiden, but he talks, I don't want to say he talks shit, but he's got a very unfavorable opinion. of these guys based on, not on their music, on their attitudes and the way they acted when they were touring together as a young band. And I think he compares them to Def Leopard and just how what great guys Def Leopard were and how easy it was and has similar kind things to say about ACDC from that time period. But Iron Maiden, he's not a fan. And this is something that's come up recently a couple times to me. When Zeth and I were talking a few months ago about Sharon Osborne,

and we came upon this tidbit of information where Iron Maiden did an Ozfest a few years back and had a lot of beef with Sharon. And basically a lot of people on that tour did not like Iron Maiden. So I don't know what this is all about. I mean, I'm not, admittedly, I'm not an Iron Maiden officiato. I like Iron Maiden. I was listening to the Somewhere in Time album the other day a couple days ago, copped out on CD at Armageddon Records in Harvard Square,

when I was up in Boston a couple weeks ago, or Cambridge, I should say, and was listening to that album. Love that album. Stranger to Strangeland. Such a fucking Bruce Dickinson's voice, man. So good. Epic. Epic. Epic. Epic. Epic choruses. And also kind of sounds like these guys might have been epic dicks as well.

Anyways, that came up in the Judas Priest research. All right. Let's go. We got another call here from the 803. 803. 8.03, this is from Eric. The last 803 voicemails from Ben. I wonder if you guys know each other. Just curious. Eric and the 803, let's hear what you got to say. Hey, Jake, it's Eric from the 803. Calling to tell you that my favorite heavy metal band of all time is Judas Priest. I'm an 80s metal kid. Love lots of bands from that era and beyond, but the priests are my favorite. Screaming for Vengeance is probably my favorite album of all time, and Rob is definitely my favorite metal singer. So rock on. Love your show. Talk to you later.

Eric, I agree. Juice Priest stands amongst the greats. You mentioned screaming for vengeance, and I have to mention here, a mistake that I made in the Jews Priest episode that Marty E. emailed me about. I confused the screaming for vengeance in Defenders of the Faith albums. In our story when I was giving a breakdown of record sales by Judas Priest, if you downloaded an early version of that episode, you might have heard that mistake. We've since corrected it and re-uploaded the correct episode, correct information in the episode, excuse me. So if you're downloading a later version, you're just going to get the correct stuff and it doesn't matter. My Bad and Total Brain Fart, well aware of the differences between the albums. My Bad. And

thank you, Marty E. for pointing that out. I appreciate it. All right, we're going to move out of the 803, which I believe is South Carolina. We're going to head back to my neck of the woods in the 9-78. Jay, what's up? Mark, the 978. Greatest metal band of all time. Listen, man, there's a hierarchy here, right? I think just about anybody who's ever owned a battle best would probably agree to this. It's got to be Sabbath.

It's got to be Sabbath. They basically invented the genre, right? But then after Sabbath, sure, that's when you can. start talking about maiden and priests, okay? And then, in my opinion, after that, is like the big four, right? Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax. So it's almost like different groups, right? But Sabbath has to be above all of them, in, I don't know, in my opinion.

Side note, you're absolutely right. Hollow notes is freaking awesome. And, yeah, love what you do. Keep it up. Rock and roll. 978, I like your hierarchy, and I agree. You got to put Black Sabbath at the top of the list. Sorry to say, Priest fans.

Without Black Sabbath, there just wouldn't be Judas Priest. Let's see what's up in the 507. Hey, what up? This is Hammy from the 507. I was just going to go ahead and let you know that that play in with the, he's a bad bad, band. That's the first time I've heard it. It's on the mini episode leading into the Judas Priest. And I mean, I listen to most of y'all's episodes, but that's the first time I heard it.

And I, may I rewind it like six times, dude? Just bouncing. Just bouncing to he's a bad, bad man with the beat. Love what y'all do. Don't ever stop. I love it, five, oh, I love it, man. I love that you're into that. That's my son. When he was four years old, speaking into the mic, he's a bad, bad man. And, uh, I love it. Yeah, you guys become all-access members. You get to cop those mini episodes. You'll hear all about what the 507 is talking about. While I look for this email I want to read to you guys,

I've got Iron Maiden cruising through my head. And Stranger to Strangeland, the first of all, the album art is incredible. And wasted years. That is the song I am thinking about with the epic chorus. if I misspoke earlier. I'm in danger of losing serious metal head cred here with these mistakes. I'm not sure that was one.

And I'm not going to go back and listen and try to correct it. I'm just going to let you know what's swimming through my head here in real time. And I'm resisting the urge to launch into full Bruce Dickinson chorus mode right now. No one wants to hear that, especially not my kids. 775 writes in, hey, I was bummed to hear about the passing of Ace Freely yesterday. He was so much better than Kiss let him be. Talk about a musician hog tied by his band. I bought all of the 1978 solo albums by the guys in Kiss. His was hands down the best. Every song is a straight banger. I agree. I love that record. And I, this is a really good take

about Ace Freely 775. Ace Freely was, as I mentioned this in an Instagram post, he was a great guitar player who was, I believe, wrongly maligned by guitar snobs as not being a great guitar player. Just, what's the word I'm looking for? It's not anything profound. It's just the point is, is so great, so impactful, directly responsible for so many of us picking up the guitars in the first place. And you just cannot deny the guy that. He was fantastic. And rest in peace, Ace. I know you're up there looking down at an incredible legacy. Pour one out for Ace Freely. 775 also goes on to say, I was obsessed with Priest in the early 80s and remember waiting outside the courthouse in my hometown of Reno, Nevada to try to meet them when the suicide case was going on.

Those poor kids were deeply disturbed. Indeed, very disturbed. That's wild that you were there. I wonder what that scene was like. Right us back. 775 or call us. Better yet, leave a voicemail. Tell us what that scene was like at the courthouse back when priest was on trial. Incredible. Appreciate all the voicemails. Appreciate the text. Appreciate the emails, guys. Thank you. Keep them coming. At Disgraceland Pod on the socials. You want to hit me up there as well. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com on email. As always, 617-906-6638 voicemail and text. I'll be back right after this. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck.

I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends.

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Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance like he's about to attack me. Making karate noises. And his entire the Kardashians family over there, everybody's going. And the airman. is trying to grab my arms and screaming.

And I immediately know that I've been at sleepwalk. David O'Yello. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurbin. Being half of a country couple

was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your Way over? Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Tana, Monjou, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a host of the Wicked Words podcast.

Each week I sit down with the true crime writers behind some of the most compelling true crime stories and discuss their years spent investigating and why it still matters. He sees his father coming out of the woods with his hands over his face, and he knows something happened. His father just grabs him and says she's gone. She's gone. These are the cases that leave survivors, families, and the journalists who cover them changed forever.

Working in national television, it'll push you to your limits, and you'll end up doing things you never thought you'd do. You know, you look back at it, and you're like, I can't believe that really happened. Join me and step inside the investigation. New episodes drop every Monday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Wicked Words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've decided that Martin Scorsese, that's Mr. Martin Scorsese, is my favorite filmmaker of all time.

I say decided like this is a new revelation, but I've known it for some time. And it's for many reasons, but the main reason is that Scorsese is that Scorsese is that Scorsese is just the most rock and roll of all the directors in my mind anyway. So that's reason 1A. Reason 1B we get into in the exclusive section of this episode coming up. By we, I mean, me and Dr. Zethelandi from the prestigious Hollywoodland Hospital, excuse me, Hollywoodland podcast. We're talking about this because of the new five-part documentary series on Martin Scorsese

that was released last week. Now, listen, it's called Mr. Scorsese. Everyone who knows him back from the old neighborhood who's in this dock refers to him as Martin Scorsese. Scorsese. Not Scorsese. I've been saying Scorsese my whole life. Now I'm trying to correct myself and say Scorsese. It's like trying to correct myself and say Nevada instead of Nevada.

I can't do it. It's hard. I try. I'm going to fail. I'm letting you know. Anyways, this doc was released last week. I've seen three of the five episodes. It's incredible. Zeth talks about this and a whole lot more in his rap party episode of Hollywoodland, bonus episode of Hollywoodland this week. Here's a taste of what you're missing if you're not subscribed.

What was really great that I watched over the weekend was Apple TV's new documentary series, Mr. Scorsese. This is a five-part series, obviously, about Martin Scorsese, directed by Rebecca Miller. If you like Martin Scorsese or you just like movies, I cannot recommend. I mean, if you like art, If you like getting inside an artist's head and seeing how they do what they do, I cannot recommend this series enough. I don't think there has ever been a portrait, as Rebecca Miller calls it, of a filmmaker that is this personal and this much of a deep dive. And I'm not just talking into his career, into his work, but into his life, okay? The first two episodes were my favorites because they shed so much light on Martin Scorsese's upbringing, his childhood, And a big part of these first two episodes are conversations and interviews with his childhood friends now. And they really bring this whole backstory to life. I knew about his backstory, but I didn't know about it with this much shading, this much color, this much character.

They bring the true crimeiness of it all to the surface. The organized crime has been hanging out in the shadows, these shadowy figures that his father has to deal with. and then how all these things made their way into Scorsese's movies, not only into his movies, but into how he dealt with studios and executives and people who were difficult to deal with and all these lessons that he took from his father and how his father would deal with all these authority figures

in the neighborhood back on the day. All right, that's Dr. Zeth Lundy in the Hollywoodland podcast. Subscribe to Hollywoodland wherever you get your podcast. You know who I felt like when I just read that? I felt like the announcer, the hockey announcer in Slapshot. I don't know why. If anyone's seen Slapshot, maybe you'll know what I'm talking about. It's a wild digression.

I got to reel it in. So that's what I'm going to do. Okay, this past weekend, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. I almost forgot. This 60-second sports rant in under 30 seconds is once again sponsored by five-hour energy's new pumpkin spice flavor, your favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a Pumpkin Spice 5Hour Energy Shot available online at 5hourenergy.com or Amazon. This past weekend, Shohay Otani of the Los Angeles Dodgers did something I'd never seen ever in all my years of watching baseball in a deciding championship series game.

He started the game on the mound, struck out the first three batters of the game in the top of the first inning, then got out to the plate to hit leadoff in the bottom of the first and immediately homered sheer dominance. It was incredible to watch. He then went on to pitch six scoreless innings and Homer two more times. Now, I told my kids they were lucky to be alive during the same time period that this dude is playing baseball. And then next day, Monday, I'm still on this high. My kids are all pumped about it. I'm pumped about it. We're talking about it.

I turn it on Boston Sports Radio. To hear cranky old dudes, of which I definitely am not one, trying to make the case that Shohei Otani is no Babe Ruth. Now hold up. This is apples to donuts. I can almost excuse the case old heads try to make for Ruth over Otani, but I can't excuse the certainty of their argument or the smugness. Come on. Come on, man. Dude plays in a completely different era in a foreign country and a game that is played in a language that he doesn't speak. Babe Ruth played in the dead ball era at a time when the league was segregated and when a big portion of the talent was overseas fighting of war. Okay? You can't compare the two. So just chill and enjoy this magnificent display of dominance, perhaps with a new pumpkin spice flavor five-hour

energy shot. Matt, how do you? 134, Jake, but I got to agree with you on Otani. We're all lucky to see him play. Hey, who's going to win the series? Dodgers and six. That's what I'm saying. That was the sports rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new pumpkin spice flavor. These new pumpkin spice five hour energy shots are fall in a bottle and bring that classic pumpkin spice flavor that we all know and love our favorite fall drink and an energy shot you can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot available online at five hour energy dot com or amazon all right all right all right i promised you guys a scorcese conversation and you're going to get it right now zep landy and i breaking down the five episode doc series called mr scorsese with some surprising

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