DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Country Music Artists as Dangerous and True Crimey As They Come

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

They were slick, clean cut, conservative compared to the punks, rockers, and metalheads, but they were perhaps more dangerous, more transgressive, more wild, and they sang about infidelity, loss, loneliness, and murder from an incredibly authentic point of view. In many cases, they lived it. I’m talking about hardcore country artists in this bonus episode plus your voicemails, texts, dms, emails and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland Bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show.

party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, that time George Jones met Porter Wagner in the bathroom, and murder, great art, and some amazing album cover Easter eggs. Plus, your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, this goes, let's get into it. All right, welcome

into the after party, everybody. I was in Boston this past weekend. It was a fantastic time to be there. World Cup was in town at Gillette out in Foxborough, but the city was just filled with people who were there for that event and it was just beautiful weather. People were outside rolling around. Everybody was in a good mood. It was great. had an awesome time. Ran into some old friends on the street, took my son to some great music shops, music stores, record stores.

And I visited one of the last great record stores in the city, maybe in the world. Actually, this past weekend, when I was there in Boston, Looney Tunes on Harvard Ave in Austin, Massachusetts. Looney Tunes used to be a Mass Ave between Harvard and Central Squares. Anyways, this type of record store,

it's dark, dingy affair. you know you might you might sprain your ankle on your descent down the stairs into this place uh and once you're inside you're going to find yourself completely overwhelmed by records like they're just everywhere everywhere that's all there is i don't know there might have been CDs there were some uh pat the guy who owns that he had some instruments in the back that he you know kind of fiddles with while he's while he's there at the store i don't know if there were cassettes but just records everywhere, everywhere, and super knowledgeable owner, obviously,

and with knowledge on all kinds of music from all types of genres. And there's, like I said, just again, music and records, vinyl, just it's like it's eating you when you walk into this place. And Pat, the owner, has knowledge that most of us don't have when it comes to music. So it's a very great, very cool experience,

especially for my son. Now when I was there, I couldn't decide even where to look. Never mind what I wanted to buy if I wanted to buy anything at all. I couldn't decide between a Porter Wagoner album, 1968's Carroll County Accident and a very cool-looking misfits reissue 7-inch. It's like a record store day thing that I'd never seen before. I went with the Porter Wagoner album because Porter is on my mind a bunch lately. He's one of the more fascinating characters from country music history. Blonde tall dude, blonde pompadour.

Just a striking image. He wore these like rhinestone nudie suits. Tremendous singer, massive star. One of those celebrities whose stardom and fame has eroded over time. And we just don't understand how big and popular and famous this guy was. And that happens to a number of celebrities over time.

Anyways, Porter Wagoner is the villain in the Dolly Parton story, the story that we just put together for you guys. It's coming out soon in a couple weeks. Porter introduced Dolly Parton to the world on his TV show back in the 1960s. And you're going to hear again, again, you can hear all about that in the Dolly Parton episode that we got coming your way. But Porter Wagoner shows up in the George Jones story as well, not in our episode with George, George that we just released this week. But in the bathroom with George back in the early 1970s at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville during a live televised broadcast of the Grand Ole Aubrey.

Now Porter was in the restroom relieving himself between televised segments. George Jones followed him into the restroom, snuck up behind Porter. George came up behind, again, this just dashing, tall, blonde, rhinestone, clad, Porter Wagoner, and George Jones is drunk, high on diet pills, and he comes up behind Porter Wagoner, who again is standing at the urinal, and George very aggressively grabs Porter by his junk, squeezes, and twists Porter howls in pain in George Jones, howls right back with those golden pipes, and he shouts, I want to see what Tampers. Amie's so proud of.

George Jones was referring to his wife, Tammy Winnet, and to the affair that he believed that Tammy Winnet was having with Porter Wagoner. Porter Wagoner was rumored to be very well endowed. There was a lot of stories about Porter Wagoner in Nashville when it came to women. But there was no affair. According to the research I've done, I don't know, maybe there was. Who knows? But it looks like there actually was no affair here.

It was just George's jealousy getting the best of him. but there was Porter Wagoner now covered his nudie suit, covered his pants, anyways, covered in urine. He's going to go on television in a couple minutes here. So he misses the next segment and Ernest Tubb has to sit in for him. I'm not sure how George Jones spent the rest of his night. This is a story that was that George tells in his book. He's talked about it in interviews in the past. I can't believe some of these interviews with George Jones.

They're completely unhinged. They would never happen today. These interviews that he did later in life in the 1990s, they would never happen today. And they're just out there. Now, if you look at George Jones, again, the subject of our episode this week, that story I just told you about Porter Wagner,

and George Jones is not in our episode. That's why I wanted to give it to you here. But if you look at George Jones, he's a very clean-cut-looking dude, even in the later years. I mean, his hair is a little bit longer by country standards, for sure, still this sort of like hard shell pompadour. And back in the early days, when he was more of a

rockabilly guy for a brief minute there, it was like a wasn't even a pompadour. It's like a crew cut, like a high and tight crew cut. When you look at the image, you know, you listen to George Jones's pristine voice. You look at the images of him. There's little in common with that image between the image and the behavior, the crazed behavior. It's the same for most country artists. Most appear to be clean-cut, conservative, at least by rock and roll and punk rock and heavy metal standards, the rock and roll and punk and heavy metal standards of my youth anyway. But beneath the clean-cut image, country artists were, as we now know, as wild and transgressive as the punks, the metalheads, and the rock and rollers. And I have to admit, and I have to admit,

this is what attracted me to country music when I was a kid. I'm not a kid. When I was, I don't know, uh 19, 20, 21 in that. I can't remember when I first took a real interest in country music, but it was early adulthood. And it was because of this reason. It was because learning that Hank Williams, the guy who sang, my bucket's got a hole in it, the song that I'd heard as a kid that I thought was beyond dumb, that dude was a raving lunatic. Hold on, who he was committed to an asylum him before drinking himself to death in the backseat of a Cadillac. You know, I learned that. I learned that Johnny Cash, the old-looking dude who hung out with Willie Nelson, the other

old-looking dude, that Johnny Cash got blitzed on pills one day and set fire to a national park. And it was an accident that wiped out nearly an entire population of an endangered species. It was the stories about country music. It was the stories that got me, not the music. It was the stories that first interested me, the story that about the spade-cooling murder, string bean, Merle Haggard in prison, shotgun Willie Nelson, Farron, Young, grandparson, Steve Earl. It made the music that much more interesting to me. There was contrast,

tension between the image of these artists and their behavior. You know, how could dudes who sounded so straight live, so dangerous, so crooked? And, you know, I was onto country music, classic country music, I should say, at a fairly early age to the great annoyance. To the great annoyance, of my hardcore bandmates and friends, but I didn't care. And soon, it wasn't just about the artists making the music and their crimes. It was about the crimes inside the stories that these artists were telling in the songs that they were singing. The murder of the Knoxville girl.

The hanging from the long black veil. The red-headed stranger. The night the lights went out in Georgia. Johnny Cash and his cocaine blues. George Jones still doing time. in the fatal crash affair and cover up at the center of Porter Wagoner's Carroll County accident. A great fucking song, by the way. This song is a true crime podcast series in and of itself, the Carroll County accident, which leads me to the here and now, okay? Up to this weekend

where, you know, I'm purchasing that Porter Wagoner album in Looney Tunes in Boston. It's all crime in music. It's always been crime in music. Crime in Music is the most interesting combination. And you probably get more of it in country music than you do in punk, in rock, or in metal. And from an extremely authentic point of view as well, when George Jones wrote about stabbing and killing a friend in life to go, it's believable when you hear it. When Porter Wagoner sings about the affair in the Carroll County accident or in any number of songs on his excellent album, Cold Hard Facts of Life, you believe him because Porter Wagoner kind of looks like a dude who knows a thing or two about an affair or two. That violence,

that infidelity, it spilled out into real life in the bathroom and the Ryman Auditorium back in the early 70s there with these two guys. And it's one of the many stories, just like it from country music's wild history. And it's a history that we've barely scratched the surface of here in Disgraceland, incredibly. I mean, we've got episodes on Johnny Paycheck and Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and Merle Haggard, and now George Jones. but there's so much more to tell. Anyways, check out the George Jones episode. Brace yourselves for the Dolly Parton episode that's coming.

It's going to be a doozy. All right, Dolly Parton isn't coming up for a couple weeks. In the meantime, you got George Jones in your feed, like I said. Then in the rewind slot, coming up right after this here after party, is our episode on Jennifer Hudson and Jennifer Hudson's story, the tragedy there, the triple homicide. That of itself could have been a country song. Just brutal, brutal.

Anyways, that's going to be in your feed right after this after party. And then next week, our brand spanking new episode on Sonic Youth, on Kim and Thurston, on one of the coolest bands of all time, and on the true crime at the center of one of the coolest album covers of all time, Sonic Use Goo. That's right. You know the cover. It's the one with that illustration of the... the couple with the woman smoking, the rim and pedibone illustration, the two, the pair,

they look like a couple of kids who could be on a, hanging out with Velvet Underground or something. Who was that couple in the illustration? That's what I wanted to know on that album cover on goo? And what was up with that incredible quote next to their image? I stole my sister's boyfriend. It was all whirlwind, heat, and flash. Within a week, we killed my parents and hit the road. What the hell was that all about?

Well, it's about one of the most gruesome and unjust true crimes in history and one that features a real rock and roll hero. We're going to tell you that story and the story of Sonic Youth and try to really drill down into what made Kim Gordon so damn cool. You'll get that, like I said, next week. And when you're listening to this episode, which is, like I said, very much about the cover of goo, be thinking about what's the coolest album cover that you've ever seen does it get cooler than goo okay what album just held you transfixed what album just captured your imagination arrested you just you're sitting there you're i don't know you're 15 years old 16 years old you're in your bedroom you know you're just you get your stereo there it's one of those solid state one pieces with the record player and the cd player and the double cassette player and the receiver all in

It's like a small little black box, connects right through the speakers. And you got this album in your hand, and you just can't stop looking at it. You can't stop listening to it. All right? What is that album? What's the coolest album cover that you can think of? Let us know, all right? That's going to be the question of the week next week.

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Seth and I are going to be talking about hidden Easter eggs on album covers, Beastie Boys, Grateful Dead, Iron Maiden, Harry Nelson, and more. That's coming up in the exclusive section of this after party. Go to disgracelandpod.com. Sign up to become a disgrace land, all access member, and unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad-free listening. All right. We're going to take a quick break and we'll get back in just a moment with your voicemails, text, emails, and more. Pride month Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space to celebrate your existence. IHeart Radio is proud to be an official sponsor of Pride Toronto Festival and we won't stop.

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Your body is not what you saw it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. And just then, we felt the plain turn in the air, so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy,

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huge news? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. How do we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. We were talking about a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. All right, guys, I am back. It's super early. You could probably tell you from the sound of my voice. This coffee ain't doing what it's supposed to be doing, man.

I don't know what's up. You ever going to make a coffee in the morning? You put the beans in, get it all ready to grind. you drink your coffee, you drink your second coffee, your third coffee, fourth coffee, suddenly it's lunchtime and you're starving and you eat and then, you know, it's, it's one o'clock, two o'clock, whatever it is after that, and you're just exhausted and you have a blazing headache. You're like, what the hell is going on? And you realize you haven't added any caffeine that day, even though you've had like three

cups of coffee. but you are an idiot if you're like me and you went and you ground up decaf coffee beans and you've been drinking decaf all morning and now you're exhausted and you got a headache and you're in a bad mood can't tell you how many times I've done that not the sharpest tool in the shed sometimes it's early morning you're fumbling about trying to get it going anyways I got the high test stuff this morning but I'm just uh I had some intense quick travel quick turnaround to Boston and back this weekend and a little dragon. Coffee will do its thing, though.

I'm confident. Anyways, I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall hanging on the telephone with you guys. You know where I'm at. Last week's question of the week, we're talking about which singer just arrested you. Just stops you in your tracks,

just grabs you by the neck and makes you listen. The sound of their voice is just so compelling. George Jones does that to me. This one from, I hope I'm saying this correctly, Beto, And where are you, Beto? You are in the 213. Hey, Jake.

This is Beto from L.A. responding to your question about what singers stop me in my tracks. I have to say, Baritha Franklin, Donnie Hathaway, and internationally, Lucidate Farte Al-Ikan, Milto Nacimento, and Salif Keta. That's what's up. That is what's up. Thank you, Beto.

I was, I'm going to talk about Donnie Hathaway here in particular. because it most directly addresses the part of this question that I can't quite articulate the right way, which is just that thing, you know, you know when you hear it, you're just arrested. I said that before. You just hear the voice and it just stops you. It literally happened to me with Donnie Hathaway the other day. I was getting my haircut. I was in the barber's chair and, you know, Juan at El Cid, he's doing his thing and we're talking.

And it's just Donnie Hathaway. Hathaway's singing, jealous guy. And it was just one of those things. I just had to be like, hold up, listen to that. God, this guy can sing. Just fucking incredible. It was the live version from 72, Donnie Hathaway's live album. And I got to admit, for a guy whose voice I find to be completely compelling,

I do not listen to Donnie Hathaway enough. I just forget. I just forget. So, Beto, I'm going to take your voicemail as a reminder. Thank you, buddy. I'm going to be pumping out the Donnie Hathaway today. All right, let's check out the 360. Hey, Jake. Wow, this podcast is amazing. I have learned so many things in the last week. I'm calling to answer your question of the week, quotes that one person with the voice that just takes you there. And for me, it's got to be Miko case 100%. I feel the void. every time she really let's loose.

And I actually wanted to answer an old question, who is not punk, but is punk. And for me, that is the band The Knife. If you haven't, highly recommend. Just give her a listen. It's pretty cool. Okay, thank you. Love you.

Oh, wow. Okay, 360. Yes, Nico Case, 1000%. Deep Red Bells, fantastic. Just everything's kind of fantastic. And speaking of murder ballads and the whole kind of like creepy country thing, she's a great modern version of that. Not a psychopath like George Jones, though.

And someone I have a ton of respect for, great artist. And yes, great singer. Who'd you mention the knife? It's funny you mentioned the knife. I was just thinking of the knife. I heard some song on some dumb TV show. And I was like, this song sucks, but it reminds me of something good.

What is it that it's reminding me of? And it was heartbeats by the knife. Are we talking about the same artists here? I think we are. I think we are. Anyways, I appreciate you, 360. Thanks for calling. Call back anytime.

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seen as we spent adequate time discussing great covers and as i mentioned i'm a massive morrisi fan here you go can't have the killers without morrisi and uh flow sends in the killers version of why don't you find out for yourself the morrissey song you know i don't think about this song that much and it's i don't think about the correlation between the killers and morrisie and i should it's an obvious one and uh it just doesn't i don't know it doesn't register for me. You know, I was talking to the killers the other day with my wife, talking, I said talking to the killers, talking about the killers with my wife the other day. And the killers are interesting because their first album, in our opinion, is their best. Not that their other

albums aren't really good. They are, second one in particular. But which artists, legit, like their first, not albums where they come out and their first album is great and then they just kind of fade away. That happens a lot. But they come out, their first album is just the best. It's the best. You can't fuck with it. It's the, it's like kind of like the strokes. Like, they never really, they make great albums afterward, for sure. They're still making great music, but that first album is the best album. And this isn't a thing where I'm like, oh, yeah, have you heard their early shit? That's not what I'm doing here at all. I just legitimately think that when it comes to the killers and when it comes to the strokes,

that their first albums are the best. And that's a good question. Which other artists, you know, first album was their best? I don't know. Made me think of you guys. I was like, God, that's a question of the week. Hubba from the 314 writes in, Hey, end of the world mix, Tall, Dark Stranger by Buck Owens. Is that a Harlan Howard song? 205, Metallica, Queenswright,

January 14th, 1989, BJCC Arena, Birmingham, Alabama. I was in a massive people waiting to enter. And for some reason, they were late opening the arena entrances. And the section we were waiting in had walls that funneled people towards the set of doors. And the crowd started getting frustrated, and people at the door started chanting angrily. One, two, three, four, open up the fucking door. Five, six, seven, eight, opened up the fucking gate.

A couple of employees almost opened the doors. The peoples at the back started pressing forward, crushing us all together against the arena. None of the groans of pain of people yelling did anything to back off. We were crushed that way for more than ten minutes before the venue finally opened a few of the doors, spaced apart. and I was crushed by the surgeon crowd into one of the closed doors next to an open one. My buddy was at the edge of the open door. We had to work together to drag my body to the open door. Oh, damn, that sounds freaking harrowing and fall into the doorway.

Finally escaping the press of the crowd. I hadn't thought about that part of that night for years, but all the pain and sounds came back while hearing the story of those poor Liverpool fans rushing forward. Patrick at the 205. Patrick, thank you for your text. That sounds horrifying. Patrick guys is referencing the Hillsboro disaster episode that we did in, because we're here in World Cup Week, World Cup weeks, months.

How long is the World Cup? It's like three weeks, right? Something like that. Sounds scary as hell. 302, right, saying, hey, very excited to inform you that I just turned on a new listener as I was walking my dog in the park and wearing my disgrace land t-shirt. A guy came up and commented on it. turns out he's a rock fan and I was able to recommend your podcast. As he was walking away,

he took out his phone to look it up on Spotify. And as I was passing him again, he told me he was starting with the Anthony Bourdain episode. So I just want to say hi there, a friend, friend in Delaware who just got turned on to Disgraceland. I hope you're really enjoying it. I am 302. Thank you. I appreciate that. Very cool of you to be extending the sort of disgrace land community here. Love that. 860 writes in, hey Jake, it's Tripp from the 860. I sent a text about a month ago concerning the upcoming Jim Morrison Doors episode, but I had surgery two days before, so I don't know how can, so I don't know how coherent it was. I commented on Robbie from the Doors, this recent book, and why in my opinion it was the best

Doors book, Robbie separated the myth from the band and from Jim in general in a way that hasn't been done before. He talked about Jim possibly dying from heroin and explains about his own smack addiction in the 1980s anyway looking forward to the doors episode piece from the northeast 860 appreciate you man yeah i i don't want to spoil it here but i will tell you that uh robbie's some of robbie's information from that book makes it into the episode and makes the argument that i'm making um that much more compelling i'll say that okay 617 90666 63638 you guys want to hit me up talk about anything voicemail and text that's how you do it you can also email me disgrace land pod at gmail.com.

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I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. And just then, we felt the plain turn in the air, so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything, and me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move, and he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and

drove off, and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to Season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Anna Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Anna Navarro. I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now, we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. Every week I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. The Justice Department through, we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.

Listen to Bleep with Anna Navarro on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, guys, we are back to disgracehand pod at gmail.com. I appreciate the thoughtful emails. I appreciate talking to you guys, connecting with you guys. every week. This one comes from Rob McDonald's subject Hillsborough message. Hey Jake, just wanted to say congratulations on

your episode covering the Hillsborough disaster. It's a difficult subject matter and you handled it with real care, clarity, and respect. As a Liverpool fan, I really appreciate the tone and the way you gave space to both the human impact and the wider context. A great song about the wider issue

is Billy Bragg Scowsers Never Buy the Sun. Is a Scouser or Scoozer? I always pronounce it incorrectly. I apologize. It means it's a Liverpool thing, right? Yeah. However happy I made you with the Hillsboro episode, I'm upsetting you now, Rob, I am sure of it. And I apologize.

Anyways, Rob goes on to say, hey, he released it after the phone hacking scandal investigations into News Corp in 2011, a protest against the broader issues around tabloid media. Thanks again for your thoughtful episode. You got it, Rob. Thank you for the email. appreciate you. I don't know this Billy Bragg song. Billy Bragg, a lot like what I was saying with Donnie Hathaway, someone who I absolutely love and somebody who I just do not listen to enough. I never think to listen to him. I wish I had a little mental note in my head that I could just,

you know, I open up the Spotify app or whatever. I go to my, my shelves to pull a record. I'm what do I want to listen to? And, you know, we're all the same. We all end up going back to the same shit. I got Billy Bragg albums in my collection, Donnie Hathaway. I just don't listen to him enough, and I need to. And I appreciate the recommendation, Rob. Thank you very much. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. You guys want to send me an email about anything.

Recommendations. You want to hear recommendations from me, music recommendations. You can get that in the Hollywoodland feed over in the rap party episodes that Zeth does. I'm in there every week giving you music recommendations alongside Zeth's movie recommendations. See how that works? At Disgraceland Pot on the socials. You want to hit me up on Instagram, Facebook. even X once in a while. Once in a while, I'll open the X app. I'm making a habit of it because I like my sanity.

I could say the same about all the platforms, though. It's a love-hate relationship. No, it's not love. And I don't like to hate anything, but, you know, it's tough. Anyways, in response to our Marilyn Manson episode, e. Dot Shosted on Discreasing and writes, hey, I saw Marilyn Manson at a Dave and Busters a few years ago. That's why I wanted to read this. Just the idea of Marilyn Manson out of Dave and Busters is hysterical to me. And he looked like he was over his own gimmick 25 years ago. To be in your mid-50s, but role-playing 1999 forever, too much even for him.

Which brings me to this thing I've been thinking about, how some artists just get, they get stuck in that caricature of themselves that they created years ago. I was watching this Liza Minnelli documentary over the weekend. And she talked about it where she was the sequin girl. She had to be that girl whenever she was out in public, even socially with people who were not just extremely close with her. But even like acquaintances, that's who she had to be. And, you know, I think she transcended that in a lot of ways.

But it must suck for people. Well, actually, I don't give a shit about Marilyn Manson, but you know what I'm saying? Like, it just must suck as an artist. to be stuck in that thing forever. And I think certain artists find ways to transcend it and move beyond it and to grow and to not get stuck. And I don't know, I don't know the trick.

I don't know what the trick is. I don't know how they do it. I haven't really thought about it enough, but it's interesting. And I know it's applicable to some of the stories we're telling here. So I'll probably get into this concept a little bit more. More artists spotted out in the public in response to our Jim Sullivan disappearance story. we had on Instagram, J underscore Shinobi writes, Hey, just seen him yesterday at Walgreens.

That's interesting, man. I go to Walgreens all the time. I've never seen missing folk artists roaming the aisles, but I'll take your word for it. Mark Bernworth sent us a message on Instagram about Tommy James, about how he's an underrated singer, how the Chondelles were an underrated band. And, you know, Mark is not wrong about either of those things.

And if you want to hear exactly what I'm talking about, plus the mafia connection to Tommy James, which is the top. Tommy James mob story might be the greatest mob story in music history. And that is saying something because it has nothing to do with Frank Sinatra. It has nothing to do with a bunch of the other sort of cliche mob music industry stories that you've heard. It's its own thing. The fact that this is not a Martin Scorsese movie is, it's shocking to me, actually.

It's incredible. And I love the episode that we put together on Tommy James. It's one of my favorites. Check that out. Melissa Gayhaden writes in, Hey, Jacob, I'm wanting to share this with you for some time, and I have no excuse because no one is busier than you. That's not true. Anyway, this profile belongs to Andy Spear, and Melissa sends this Instagram profile on Andrew Spear. She says, I didn't know him well, but we did graduate high school together.

And as you can see, Andy is an extremely talented artist specializing in murals, but he's also a music head and has done work for several hard rock locations. And I got to say, Andy's stuff is pretty great. Check out Spear Life, Andrew Speer, via Melissa Gay-Haden on Instagram. You won't be disappointed. Benjamin Nelson writes in, hey, big fan of the show. Have you ever considered doing an episode on Fishbone? That's been crazy shit going on, cults, kidnappings, and the like. Stay cool. That's Ben Nelson, 72 on Instagram. I have considered a Fishbone episode. I've seen Fishbone a couple times back in the day. I love True. truth and soul. That album, it's incredible. And I really regret not buying the vinyl version of it. When I was, what record store was at? I was in the West Village about three years ago.

And it wasn't even that expensive. It was maybe, I don't know, it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't that expensive. I just didn't want to carry it back on the plane. And I regret it. I should have done it. I should have done it. Yeah, we're going to do an episode on a fish boat at some point. Too crazy of a story not to. At Disgrace Lam Pot on the the social as you guys want to hit us up. This grace and pod at gmail.com on the email machine. 617-90666-6638 voicemail and text. You want my recommendations on music and the like.

You can get those in the Hollywoodland feed where I'm talking to Zeth and the rap party bonus episodes every week. You can also get our classic archive stories from Hollywood in true crime. You get to subscribe to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, the IHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcast. even more music content. You can cop the video podcast of Zeth and I produce every month called This Film Should Be Played Loud. Our new episode on Dazed and Confused, that's what we got for you in June.

Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up so you can watch that. And you can also check out our episodes on The Royal Tenant Bombs, Goodfellas. I'm reading right now, Wise Guy, by the way, Nicholas Pileggie's book that inspired Goodfellas, or that Goodfellas is based on, I should say. And it's pretty incredible. It's pretty incredible. I was like, I've seen Goodfellas so many damn times. There's no reason I should read this book.

But you know what? It doesn't matter how many times you've seen Goodfellas. You should read this book. It gives you context that you're just, it's like every book compared to the movie. You're going to get this context that is completely just so much deeper and richer. And it's going to make you appreciate this movie even more than you probably already. I've actually already read a book about the making of Goodfellows.

I just never read the book that Goodfellows was based on. And I got to say, I'm enjoying the shit out of it. But for more movie talk, music and movie talk, I should say. You get to check out this film. Should be played loud with Zeth and I. Go to disgraceandpod.com to become an all-access member. You're going to get content like that. Plus, you're going to get ad-free content.

Plus, you're going to get the conversation that Zeth and I have coming up right now in the exclusive section of this after-party bonus episode where we're discussing some of the crazier, more interesting Easter eggs from album art for music history's past. That's coming up right now. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up if you haven't already. All right, we are back. Let's recap.

We mentioned Donnie Hathaway in this episode. Yeah, there you go. Also, Tommy James. Two great episodes from the Disgraceland Archive. A bunch of other artists as well. But Matt's going to pull the information on those two stories. And he'll put that info in the show notes section of this after party so that you can easily find your way to either the Tommy James episode.

or the Donny Hothaway episode of Disgraceland in our massive archive. All right, let's recap, shall we? This week, number one, number one, this week, George Jones, available in your feed. Rewind episode coming up right after this after party. We've got our episode on Jennifer Hudson. Then next week, our episode, our brand new episode, I should say, on Sonic Youth. Number four, Zeth is going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed, so make sure that you are subscribed to Hollywoodland wherever you get your

podcast. You're going to get my music recommendations over in the rap party. in the Hollywoodland feed as well. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our video podcast, our newest one on Dazed and Confused. That is, I don't know, is that available right now? I think it is. Is it? No, it's not. It's coming up. End of the month. End of June. 617-906-66-6-6-3-8. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or to whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the

obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records and the crime. and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, George Jones died on April 26, 2013. And that night I drove into my driveway in Arlington, Massachusetts, my headlights shown on, you got it, a possum right there in my driveway. I shit you not. The same night, George Jones died. April 26, 2013, this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, just give me a reason. Pink, featuring Nate Ruse.

Last week, three, peak position, one, weeks on chart, nine. Number two, thrift shop, Malcolmor, and Ryan Lewis featuring Wayne's. Last week, two, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 28. Number three, when I was your man, Bruno Mars. Last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 17. Number four, stay, react, featuring Mickey Echo. Last week, four, peak position, three, mix on church, 10. Number five, and stop mixing.

Cut it! Five, City Hall building. How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that. A shocking public murder. This was one of the most dramatic events that really ever happened in New York City politics. I scream, get down, get down, those are shots. A tragedy that's now forgotten and a mystery

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