DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Dangerous Music, Great Rock n' Roll, and More Shocking Allegations

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

This week in the After Party, Jake wonders if every disgraceful story covered in Disgraceland is mere child's play when compared to the latest Diddy allegations. We hear from you and get your thoughts on the greatest rock n' roll bands of all time. As we prepare for next week's episode on the cursed film "Poltergeist," we we want to know: Which movies scared the hell out of you when you were a kid? Let Jake know at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 131 - Eazy EEpisode 132 - Jeff BuckleyEpisode 72 - The RamonesEpisode 36 - Rolling Stones in ExileTo hear an extended version of the After Party and to hear more from the DISGRACELAND community, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Check out the new limited edition Halloween merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter) Facebook Fan Group To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show, after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's subject of the disgrace land full

episode, The Cramps, and even more shocking Sean Combs' allegations, some batshit awesome Halloween merchandise from Disgraceland. And of course, we are diving into your voicemails, texts, and more. And as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, real rock and roll is supposed to be dangerous, whether it's the fear of Elvis Presley's swinging hips that are going to result in your teenage sister getting pregnant

or the grimy, dark image of the Rolling Stones, the anti-Beatles at the time asking in newspapers and on billboards if you'd let your daughter marry a Rolling Stone. Of course you wouldn't. Led Zeppelin, the sex pistols, the Ramones, Black Flag. I can go on and on with well-known example after example of rock stars living and behaving dangerously. We all know these stories.

Led Zeppelin and the Mud Shark, Sid and Nancy and the Chelsea, D.D. Ramon and the heroin. We take it all of these stories, of course, a little bit further here in Disgraceland. We make it as much as we can to be specifically about crime. True crime, obviously, Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 13-year-old cousin, it's not dangerous enough. So, you know, we talk about the rock and roll pioneer, allegedly murdering his wife because that happened. So you know the drill.

You know all of this. That's why you're here. The true crime is a part of the danger that is a part of rock and roll. Okay? The danger is integral to rock and roll. It's the true crime is just an unfortunate byproduct of a necessary ingredient that makes rock and roll. compelling, historically speaking anyway. Because right now, in the now, rock and roll is dead. We know this in part because there is no danger in today's rock and roll bands. If you can even find

rock and roll bands today. I'm speaking now specifically about bands in the mainstream, rock and roll bands in the mainstream. When I say if you can even find a rock and roll band today, I mean in the mainstream, I know that there are great rock and roll bands out there on the club circuit out there killing it. But, you know, we're talking about modern culture, okay? Because when we talk about rock and roll as a whole, historically, we're talking about a culture shifting force, not a backbench subgenre. Okay? There are no rock and roll bands on the charts anymore. I say this a lot. I'm never going to stop talking about it. I find it to be a very shitty reality. But the reason I'm talking about it right now today in this bonus episode is because,

because this is what the cramps from this week's full episode were getting at. Okay, the cramps talked a lot about the difference between rock and roll and rock. The cramps were on a mission to save rock and roll. And they could tell back then in the 70s, the 80s and 90s that rock and roll was dying. The cramps, of course, like I alluded to, had a specific definition for what rock and roll was. Dangerous music for teenagers. Okay, dangerous. music that separated the cool kids from the squares.

By that definition, it's hard to think of any consequential rock and roll bands today that are making noise and that are actually dangerous. Again, I know they're out there. I know they're alive and well, but unfortunately they no longer matter. Not to the scale that the artists, the rock and roll artists that I mentioned before mattered when it came to culture. Okay, the rock and roll bands today are no longer appearing on the charts and driving culture like Elvis was.

like the Rolling Stones did, like the Sex Pistols, the Ramones, et cetera. Today, Coldplay, hosier, is that how you say that? Hosier, hosier, and Billy Eilish, these three artists, currently occupy the number one top rock album, the number one rock song, and the hot rock, the number one hot rock alternative song, chart positions on Billboard. It's hard to call any of these artists rock and roll

by any traditional definition. Again, Coldplay, Hozier, and Billy Elish. It's hard to call them rock and roll. It's even harder to claim that they're dangerous. They are about as safe as it gets. And this is how you know. Your parents likely wouldn't be annoyed or threatened if you put a cold play song on when you're out for a ride in the car with your mom.

Or if like me, you are a parent, you're likely not going to be annoyed or threatened if your kid is sitting there and puts on, you know, Billy Elish or Cole player or whatever. You might have a question about their tastes, but whatever. And the reason why, of course, the reason why we aren't threatened or annoyed, particularly, is because these artists are safe. They're not dangerous. Okay.

To the extent that any of these artists are even rebellious is, it's contrived. It's not actual rebellion. Now, I'm not criticizing these artists. whatever, do what you got to do. Okay, I don't care. Make whatever music you want. People clearly love it. I don't, but whatever, it does not matter. I'm not criticizing the artists. I'm not criticizing the people who listen to these artists. I'm simply trying to make a point that the cramps were right, that rock and roll was dying, and now it is dead. And there is a massive difference between the rock artist on the charts on the charts from years past.

But you know what isn't dead? Hip-hop. It's not only the dominant music force that's driving culture, it's also more dangerous than modern rock music in every possible way. And I'm talking about current chart-topping hip-hop stars, too, not just the names from the past that we all know, that we've talked about in disgrace land. Okay, I'm talking about Young Thug.

Okay, Young Thug is on trial currently on a criminal conspiracy beef. Another artist, W.N. Mellie, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, is about to be tried for a second time on a double murder charge. Those charges, criminal conspiracy and murder, they rival the true crimes from the rock and roll artists that we've covered here in disgrace land. And yes, like I said, we've covered plenty of hip-hop artists in the past and in the present where in all cases the danger is front and center.

It's very much a part of the artist's disgraceful behavior. And this is because, as we know, when it comes to rock stars, when it comes to musicians, the danger is baked into the cake, so to speak. And part of the reason we love a lot of these artists is because they behave badly. And that behavior causes us to question many things, including the reasons why we sometimes support

or supported these artists in the first place. These stories about Johnny Paycheck, shooting a guy in a bar, about EZE funding his hip-hop career with drug money, about guns and roses starting a riot. Somehow, these stories incredibly seems safe compared to the stories being alleged by one hip-hop star currently. That, of course, is Sean Diddy Combs.

New allegations were released this week against Combs. And let's consider for a quick second just how fucking nuts and outside the rails the behavior of this hip-hop star actually is. Now, I've gone over everything in the federal world. indictment. And I talked, I think it was last week, perhaps it was the week prior about this attorney from Houston, Tony Busby, and the 100-plus cases complaints, criminal complaints that he's bringing against Diddy outside of the indictment. Now, he's released, I believe, six of these lawsuits this week, okay? So that's new. And these lawsuits are going to be expanded as well. And I'm not going to go

through all of them, but I am just going to tell you that they are completely shocking. I'm going to read you one of the complaints here. I'm not going to read it from the indictment because it would honestly take up, it would take up the entire episode. But I am going to read to you verbatim from Business Insider. This is from October 14th. I'm recording this on October 60th. And I'm reading you it direct from the Business Insider article because I don't want to miss anything. and I don't want to, I don't want anybody to claim that I'm sensationalizing anything. And I want you guys to know that what I'm about to read you is a summarized version of what is in the actual lawsuit, okay, in the legal paperwork, in the complaint. And by that, I mean, it's, I don't want to say it's cleaned.

I mean, yeah, it's cleaned up a little bit. It's not as shocking. Yet it's still super shocking. So it says here, the 19 page, and again, this is one of six. One of six lawsuits, okay? The 19-page lawsuit is one of two filed Monday that names an outside company as a defendant beyond the company's belonging to Combs. It was filed on behalf of a John Doe who now lives in Ohio.

The plaintiff, the John Doe, alleges that he was orally raped by Combs while working in the stockroom of a flagship store. The plaintiff said he worked for Echo, a rival company to Combs' Sean John Brand that was also carried by Macy's. Okay, so here we go. On the day of the attack, Diddy entered into the stockroom with three armed bodyguards. This is what the lawsuit says. One or more of the guards struck the plaintiff.

So it says here he may have been pistol whipped. That's what he's alleging. Causing him to fall to his hands in knees. The plaintiff says in the lawsuit that one or more of the bodyguards threatened to kill him. So let's just take a second. here. Let's move beyond the business insider article here, beyond the legal documentation. And let's try to put ourselves in the moment. You're a dude working in a stock room. You're just having your fucking day, man. You know? And I've worked in stock rooms before when I was younger. I've worked

in factories. I know what it's like. You're off in your own head. You might have headphones on. You're chilling. You're thinking about lunch, that sandwich you packed. You're getting ready to go take a load off for about 45 minutes before you jump back into your day. And all of a sudden, one of the biggest hip-hop stars on the fucking planet walks in with three bodyguards, pistol whips you, pistol whips you at work. And as far as I can tell, for no reason. And then, and then the plaintiff claims, the Combs demands he, blows him, performs oral sex.

The plaintiff goes on to say that Diddy was calling him Echo, because that's the brand he worked for. That's who he was stocking the shelves for. Again, you're sitting there. Sean Combs walks in with three security guards. Pistol whips you. Is calling you Echo, the name of the company you work for, demands that you give him head.

And then orally rapes you, or so you claim, all while you're just waiting to fucking go on your lunch break. Then, and this is the shit that gets me, the specificity, the details in these lawsuits, in these legal documents. Then the lawsuit alleges that after the assault, Combs grabbed armfuls of Sean John merchandise from the stock room, went out onto the retail floor,

and began passing out merchandise to an adoring crowd as if nothing had happened. The plaintiff reported in the same day to company security, but there was no follow-up and he was soon barred from the store the lawsuit alleges. And it should be mentioned that Diddy, through his lawyers, has denied that this or any of the other allegations I mentioned in passing so far have actually happened. Okay, Diddy is claiming that he's innocent. And the same thing that he said about the federal charges, same thing he's saying about these charges. Now, you may say, Jake, you mentioned that the Diddy stuff is shocking.

perhaps more shocking than anything that you've covered in disgrace land. But really, Jake, it's just some rape. It's just some pre-lunch break rape, you know, getting a little rapy before the lunch truck pulls up to the Macy's loading dock. The details. Again, the details and the sheer horror of this action are as bad, sorry, worse than almost anything that I've covered so far. And then when you start to get into some of these other allegations that have come out over the last few weeks that are outside of the federal indictment that involve the now famous 1,000 or 10,000, whatever it was, bottles of lubricant, sexual lubricant that were seized.

And the allegations that that lubricant was dosed with drugs that tranquilize you so that they can, they can, and use it to massage women and get them to pass out and then abuse them sexually. I mean, I can't even wrap my brain around this. And as if the actions weren't bad enough, as if the crimes and the allegations themselves are not horrifying enough. They are particularly horrifying when you take into account that these claims go back, I think almost 30 years, three decades of this behavior. So when I look at it like that, yeah, it is way worse than anything that I've covered.

Okay, all of this goes way beyond anything that we've spoken about here in disgrace. And yes, even the big lurch cannibalism episode. That was one incident, a psychotic reaction to a drug. This, this ditty stuff is a sickening criminal conspiracy, allegedly spanning years, decades. and beyond the federal indictment, there are, of course, these separate lawsuits that I've been talking about where the behavior described in these suits involves the criminal conspiracy, the sex trafficking,

drugging underage men and women to force sex upon them unknowingly. And now, even, now, even the threat of murder. I'm not going to go into the other lawsuits of these new six, but there's one where Diddy threatens one of his victims with murder if they say anything, okay? and of course again Sean Combs denies this saying through his attorneys

on Monday that the lawsuits filed here that I'm speaking about were done so to quote unquote garner publicity and they further say Mr. Combs and his legal team have full confidence in the facts, their legal defenses and the integrity of the judicial process the lawyer said in court they go on to say

in court the truth will prevail the Mr. Combs has never sexually assaulted anyone adult or minor man or woman, unquote. So there you have it. However, if even a portion, if even a portion of this is true,

then this story is as dangerous as it gets. This artist is as dangerous as they come. Part of me doesn't know what to do with all this. You know, it's like, I keep saying this. It's the biggest music and true crime story of all time. and, you know, the music and true crime is what we do. Yet I'm confused as to how to deal with all this. There's so much of it that is so shocking that at a certain point,

it's not shocking. And it makes it seem like what I've been doing is child's play. Suddenly telling the story of Jerry Lee Lewis getting away with murdering his wife feels cute compared to 30 years of this alleged ditty behavior. It's so much. And again, we get the headlines. We get the memes, the notifications. We're becoming desensitized to the whole thing almost,

or at least I am because I'm deep in it. But the details in the ditty criminal complaints, they're more shocking in a lot of ways, again, like I said, than anything that I've seen in my research for disgrace land thus far. And then, of course, where this goes, man. Okay? As I've been saying, there's a question of where does all this go?

and who else was involved beyond Diddy. Now, Tony Busby, who filed those lawsuits this week, who has the 100 plus lawsuits that he's going to file, is doubling down on his claim that there will be names soon that will shock us. We will see. And just, you know, for an update, you should know, he has reached out to those big names, to those people that he has evidence against in these criminal lawsuits

who are involved with Diddy. and he's essentially shopping settlements. I'm not going to pass judgment on the people making these claims. I'm not even going to pass judgment on Tony Busby. Not all criminal attorneys are the stereotype. But I'm just giving you this information so you know. I think there's a slim chance that in the final analysis, we sit back and go, this was a money grab and Diddy was innocent and he walks away.

I think that is a very, there is a very slim chance of that happening. at the same time, are we going to see culture imploding evidence that is going to tear down some of the biggest A-list celebrities on the planet? I don't think it's going to go that far either. I think it'll be somewhere in the middle, perhaps closer to that last scenario that I just mentioned.

I want to update you guys a little bit here on Jay-Z and Beyonce. I think it was in last week's episode, or I was speaking critically of Jay-Z and how he hasn't really defended himself on anything like that. Well, we have new news on that. Piers Morgan, the journalist, had Jaguar Wright on his show. I've told you guys who Jaguar Wright is. Jaguar Wright went off kind of on Jay-Z and Beyonce

with these wild allegations that she's been making on TikTok that are, I just, I'm going to refrain from repeating them here, but they are connected to Diddy, of course. Jay Z and Beyonce, their attorney promptly went after Pierce Morgan. Pierce Morgan had to issue an apology. So that says something. And apparently Jay Z and Beyonce have been issuing cease and desist letters to content creators on TikTok who are repeating some of the allegations that Jaguar Wright is repeating.

So I just wanted to update you there because I made a point of mentioning how they hadn't really, Jay Z and Beyonce hadn't really said anything. I do want to also mention that there's still, you know, even though Jay-Z and Beyonce have spoken up here through their attorney at least, or through their attorney's actions, I should say they've acted through their attorney, not spoken up. I do want to say that it's still kind of crickets from the entertainment industry on the Diddy allegations. So that's telling, I believe. So the Diddy allegations, my larger point, beyond dangerous. Okay. They are legitimately. scary. They're monstrous. So here's a question. Would you leave your kid alone with the guys in Coldplay while you went

off for a pack of smokes? Maybe, probably. Okay, but would you leave your kid alone with Sean Combs? Absolutely not. If these allegations are true, Sean Combs has taken the danger of rock and roll, the danger of hip-hop, obviously way over the friggin' line to a point where, like I said, even I am shocked, which is very hard to do. But still, Sean Combs is not a rock and role star. He's a hip-hop mogul, and rock and roll is dead. Despite the cramps best intentions and Sean Combs, he's in jail attempting for a third time to get on bail before his trial begins on May 5th, 2025. But the judge might just rule that he's too dangerous to be let out. We shall see. If these allegations turn out to be true, then Sean Combs is, like I said, truly a monster

scarier and more dangerous guys than anything. Halloween can serve up than anything in a cramp song, scarier and more dangerous than any horror movie. And speaking of which next week's full episode in your disgrace land feed is on the film, Poultergeist, and the curse connected to that movie. This movie scared the hell out of me when I was a little kid. I don't find it to be as scary now. And I showed it, we showed it last year to my oldest son. I don't think we let our youngest watch it. And he was scared. He was super scared. There's something about Poltergeist where, I don't know, like the sort of like just before puberty years, you know, 10, 11. I don't remember how old I was when I saw it, but it was

the perfect age for me to be freaked out by it. So when you're listening to this next episode, the next episode in the disgrace land feed on Poltergeist, I want you guys to be thinking about what movies scared the hell out of you when you were. kid. Okay, that's going to be the question of the week next week. I'm going to take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, text, DMs, and more. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of the

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All right, we are back. Thanks, guys, for listening to this bonus episode of disgrace land. I want to update you guys on the live stream that we had planned for last week, October 9th. We were, of course, postponed due to Hurricane Milton, which came storming through Florida. Also had a bunch of tornadoes we weren't planning on. Anyways, we are working on a solution to how we're going to bring you this story.

I'll have news on that for you very shortly. So you'll hear that here in the, upcoming bonus episodes, upcoming after-party episodes. I also want to let you guys know, we are fully ensconced in the Halloween season right now in disgrace. And you can tell from our programming, we're going full darkness on you. And I'm loving it. I hope you're loving it as well. We just released our episode on the cramps. We put back into the feed one of the archive episodes on Black Sabbath. We did some Aussie stuff, but back to the cramps in Black Sabbath. We have these two new merch items that I'm really excited about that are inspired by these episodes. We have a Masters of

Reality, Black Sabbath design for Rockarola, which I'm pretty stoked on. And we have a cramps inspired design as well for this other T-shirt that we've got for you guys. We did these in collaboration with a great artist, I named Spencer Alexander. So these merch items, these two new shirts that we have, they're going to be available to you right now as you're hearing this. But here's the thing. This is a drop. It's a merch drop. They're only going to be available for a week starting Thursday. The day that this bonus episode is released Thursday, October 17th. The merch items are going to be available on our website.

Go to the merch page. I'm going to be posting this stuff out through social media, of course. But again, only for one week, seven days, and then they're gone. So check those designs out. I wish I could show them to you here. I can't check out my Instagram X, whatever. We've got the stuff everywhere. And of course, go to the website, disgrace, disgrace,andpod.com.

and go to the merch page and you will see these items there, get them while they last. You're not going to want to sleep on these. They're freaking awesome. I love them. I have to hold myself back from buying them for my family all over the place, but I'm not going to do that. We're going to keep the stock bountiful for you guys. Get in there.

Cop this Halloween disgrace land merch. You're going to love it. All right. Enough for me. Let's hear from you guys. 617-9066638 to send me a text or voicemail, just like this caller from the 619 on the question of the greatest rock and roll band of all time. Hey, Jake, this is Jesse from the 619.

I'm just going to keep it simple and brief, man. For me, it's clean. I'm 47. I can think back to the very first song that I ever heard from them, and here it is all these years later, especially with a resurgence from Bohemian Rhapsody, back with Wayne's World. Thank God for that.

They're just transcendent in everything. I mean, you've got some slow rock, you've got some fast rock. You just got popped through them, too, but they're still one of the best, if not the best rock and roll bands ever. Just my opinion from a young man from San Diego, California. Thank you. Jesse, thanks for the voicemail, my friend.

I appreciate you. My wife will appreciate your message even more, though. She is a massive queen fan, which reminds me, we used to have a framed version of the bicycle race poster. If you're a queen fan, you'll know that came inside of the jazz album. It's an incredible photograph, incredible poster. it's a bunch of, well, fat-bottomed girls on bicycles. And it's great. And now I'm wondering, where the hell, where is that?

I have that somewhere. I kind of got to find it. I want to put it back up. All right, let's check in with the 5-4-0 on the same question. Jake, my brother. All right, so you want to know what the greatest rock and roll band of all time. Okay, so if we're going to, for any user criteria, you set up, I'm going to have to say motorheads. only because it was vastly popular but not commercially popular,

kind of like, you know, the remains, the cramps, so forth. But it had such a wide base of fans, and they were all kids, most kids, who did they just identified with the insane rock. Well, rock and roll, actually. But, yeah, so I'm going to go ahead and say it was most. to me, greatest rock and roll band. Even Lemmy says it himself in concert. He says, we are motorhead.

We play rock and roll. So there you go. Anyway, all right, dude. Right and roll. All right. I agree with you, take 540. Motorhead, great answer. Motorhead, you know, I talked a lot in the previous block

about how when we're framing this question of great rock and roll bands, I like to lean into these bands that are pushing the culture. And even though Motorhead was sub-conciful, they were pushing the culture. Motorhead was a presence in the 1980s and every high school in America. You could find that iconic motorhead logo on a jean jacket of a gearhead somewhere in America on any given day. And I would argue pretty much any high school in the United States. So Motorhead were definitely counterculture, but they were pushing the culture. So I love your take here.

All right. Let's check out the 864. What's happening, Jake? This is Will in 864. First off, I just want to say, I hope you all being safe in Florida. We just got through Helene in South Carolina, and it was wild. We were without power for almost a week. My homie's in Asheville are really going through it, so I hope you're really being safe down there. A couple things.

We connected on Keith Jared through Instagram. I fucking love that. I want to say maybe you should look into Vince Goraldi that was famous for doing. the Charlie Brown music as much as I put him on the map I'm pretty sure he had some back in force with the people doing the cartoon and he wasn't too happy

especially with the vocalized version of Christmas time of here he didn't like those little brass in there with him but to go on people that died too young I'm still going over your entire catalog of episodes but

dude Jeff Buckley like what a fucking tragedy man, what a talent that we really didn't get to see fully blossom. You know, the way he went out was disgraceful and just upsetting and sad, but I mean, I always thought, you know, as much

as everybody was very very taken with what he did, you know, there was a couple of snakes in the grass, you know, really just out for their own trying to push the two. But Jeff Buckley is, like, one of the best albums, and it happened to be one of his only. So, like, I thought that was

a really cool one. I still think he needs to do an episode of Tim Armstrong, given his crazy history with Op Ivy and rancid. But dude, just want to say, I appreciate what you do. Keep fucking doing it, man. We love it, man. We love it. Be safe down here in Florida. Much love.

864, thanks for the call. I hope you guys are doing okay. Post Helene. Love that you're digging on the Keith Jarrett. I remember our DM exchange. Vince Geraldi, I'm definitely familiar with, not just because of Charlie Brown and the Peanuts. Although that was, if I'm being honest, that was what hit me to Vince.

He has a great album that you probably know of called Black Orpheus. If anyone is interested, check that out by Vince Giroldi. Vince Gheraldi is a hip fucking dude, man. Jazz guy. I think he even hung out with the dead early in the early years. I could be wrong about that. I know he died young, but I think there was some San Francisco connection there. 864, I did not know about his beef over the vocalized version of Christmas

time is here. I love that. I love knowing that. I find that to be very interesting because although he apparently was beefing with it, I think that the version of that song on the, from a Charlie Brown Christmas or whatever it's called is is incredible. And I love it. And oh, Jeff Buckley. Yes. Great, great, great answer. And we have a Jeff Buckley episode. I don't know if you've heard it or not. I'll, I'll drop the number and the date later here in the bonus episode so that you can find it in the archive. All right. Ted from Texas called in. And he had a take, kind of controversial take. I'm not going to mention, I'm not going to play the voicemail from Ted,

but Ted, I want to address your voicemail, even though I don't want to play it. Because I don't want to give, I don't want to give too much time to this theory. The theory, your theory, you mentioned that someone else had mentioned on a podcast that Diddy was responsible for killing Tupac. And I don't, I can't go there. If that comes out in this whole Diddy debacle, I'll be shocked. I will really be shocked. I think we will truly be entering into uncharted territory there, very uncharted chilling territory there. And I go back and forth in my thinking historically on who I think killed Tupac and who I think killed Biggie. And all to say, I just don't know. I have had strong opinions at times. I no longer have those strong opinions, but I can also say confidently that I do not believe that that Sean Combs killed Tupac Shakur.

I just, I just, because it was relevant, I wanted to address it here. All right, uh, let's do some texts and DMs. 510 Texan, best rock and roll band of all time, Rolling Stones. It's Keith. He's a lifelong student and fanboy of American music and he did it better than any American rock or exile on Main Street is the press play album. The Stooges and MC5 popped into my head too, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I hate that the best rock and roll band of all time is an English band. I just do. Because rock and roll to me is an American art form. And we gave it to the world. But the stones gave it back to us better than anyone else did. At least for a minute there. Good solid four or five year run, maybe a little longer. I don't know. I haven't mapped it out in my head. Actually, I have. I just can't remember. Pretty sure I mapped it out in my exile on Main Street episode.

on the Rolling Stones. But, you know, and I guess if I'm going number two for greatest rock and roll band of all time, I would go Led Zeppelin, another English band. Maybe the Beatles are up there too. God, I hate that it's not an American band. Who are the great American rock and roll bands? That's a question.

Who are they? Grateful Dead. But still, by the cramps definition of rock and roll, not even close. though the dead were dangerous. They truly were. You know, I've talked about that too. Okay, you really, this is a great text.

You really got me going here, 510. Oh, see what I did there? The kinks, though. Again, English, you really got me. But then Van Halen, maybe Van Halen. I don't know. 641 writes in, since your latest question is about best rock and roll bands, I'm going to say, in history, the answer is Led Zeppelin.

In current times, the answer is low-cut Connie. Great text 641. And I think I agree with you. I just mentioned Led Zeppelin. And I definitely agree with you when it comes to Locke Kani. And break a little news here at 641. I'm going to have Adam on the show next week on the bonus episode. It's a little addendum at the end is a little interview.

Talk about Lo Kukhani's movie, Adam's movie that he is out. So there you go. Anyone knows who Lo Kau Kani is? You're welcome in advance. Anyone who doesn't go find Lo Kau Kani. And again, you're welcome. You will love them. Amazing rock and roll band.

530 writes in The Cramps. Yes, one of the best episodes ever. Well, thank you very much, 530. I appreciate that. 845 writes, hey, I hope I'm not reaching you at a bad time. So polite 845. You're definitely not from Massachusetts. 845 says, my name is Luke, and I'm a disco.

I was listening to your after-party episode from September 26th, I believe, that I was hoping to reach you in order to ask, would it be possible for me to still sign up for the upcoming book club? It is on The Exorcist, right? Yes, it is. Luke, and I was supposed to put this information out on how to sign up. You can sign up if you're an all-access member, but you don't need to be an all-access member. Anyone can join.

And I'm going to get that information out. I'll have more information next week. And I'm in here in the bonus episode. And then, of course, in the socials. That's on the 29th, I believe. Okay. So Luke, thank you. I'm going to make a note.

904 text in. It's Spencer. Texin more about the greatest rock and roll band. A lot of Keith, a lot of Rolling Stones. I mean, Keith is the avatar for a rock and roll star. Spencer's talking about Exxon on Main Street. 856 writes in Rock and Roll question from the after party. I hope I'm not too late. Zizi top, Rio Grande Mud is badass. I came to it way too late, ACDC. It's all straightforward rock and roll. But as a teenager, it was Led Zeppelin for me. Lots of, dare I say, consensus here on the greatest rock and roll band of all time.

Lots of Led Zeppelin, lots of Rolling Stones, ACDC, pulling up the rear, bit in the third. You know, I would go ACDC. I think Bon Scott is probably the greatest rock and roll front man of all time in my estimation, but Brian Johnson is not. I like Brian Johnson a lot. I love him, actually, but he's no Bon Scott. And just there's, you know, I can't, I can't go there with ACDC because there's so much non-Bond Scott. Most people don't even know who Bon Scott is, but that Bon Scott era stuff, particularly powerage, oh my God. Definition. of rock and roll. All right, I said I do some DMs and I'm going to do some DMs. Okay, Hector Gomez on Facebook writes, dude, leave town before you become the subject of your podcast. Well, we didn't leave

town, Hector, but the tornadoes and the hurricanes scared the shit out of us. We are all thankfully okay. I just want to say thanks to everybody, Hector and everyone else who sent me and my family some kindness and some well wishes during what was a very stressful time. And I'm very grateful that things turned out okay for us. Some shit went down fairly close to us, but again, thankful that we did not suffer any damage to our property or to ourselves. At Matosphere over on Instagram, writes in, listen to the cramps episode and the correct answer to your question at the end about the greatest rock and roll band of all time is

the Beatles. I know, I know the stones, right? Nah, especially after Lemmy's remarks on the matter in that dock for a few years ago, I don't know how it couldn't be. Unless the chorus Chuck Berry or maybe the Stoge's honorable men. the Ramones. ACD. This guy's all over the place. Matt Mosphere, I take your point. The Beatles, Beatles were more than a rock and roll band to me. As Paul McCartney tells it, they're just a great little rock and roll band. That's an awful Paul McCartney impersonation. You can keep it in there, Matt.

Okay, but the Beatles just so much more than a rock and roll band. It feels like an insult to call them just a rock and roll band. They changed pop music forever on a grand scale. So, I don't know. I take your point though. At Disgraceland Pot on Facebook on Instagram, over on the Xbox, not the Xbox, on X, you know what I meant. Hit me up on anything. Next week's question of the week is going to be what movie, what horror movie scared the hell out of you guys as kids? Let me know. I'm going to take a quick break. Come back on the other side and read some emails and some reviews. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.

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That's a great fucking idea, actually, man. Apocalypse Now. Sounds Johnny like you've seen Coppola's wife's documentary Hearts of Darkness, which is incredible. And yeah, also, there's a lot of great little tidbits from the making of that movie that are unknown. that would be fun to get into, like how Harvey Kytel was originally cast, to play the role that Martin Sheen played, but didn't get it.

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Gonna have to go with Led Zeppelin for greatest rock and roll band, both the pure awesomeness and for the generations of influence they have. First of all, great answer to the greatest rock and roll band. We talked about that before. Also, love your thinking on Miles Copeland. however, I think I'm going to do a police episode and work the Miles Copeland topic into the subject of the police. I think that's the way I'm going to approach that. Appreciate it.

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I mentioned Jeff Buckley. That's episode number 132, released on June 6, 2023. I mentioned EZE, which coincidentally was released as episode number 131. And that release date was just before Buckley. that was May 30th, 2020. I mentioned the Ramones. You got to go back all the way to episode 72 in the archive, okay?

From February 16th, 2021 for our Ramones episode. And Mets fans, being sons and daughters of Queens, you should listen to the Ramones episode, okay? Get that spirit going for your Mets in the playoffs right now, all right? We, of course, mentioned the Rolling Stones when talking about the greatest rock and roll bands

of all time. A lot of people brought up exile on Main Street as an example of that Rolling Stones Exile on Main Street's specific episode that we have for you. It was episode number 36 released back on July 23rd, 2019. Guys, we're up to over 200 episodes right now. 200 episodes. I didn't even blink an eye.

I didn't even think to celebrate that. 200. It's a big fucking deal. I guess I'm going to have to do it at 250. We did it at 100. I'll do something special for 250. 200 episodes. Lots of episodes in the archive is my point.

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Get in here with us. I'm going to put out some details on how you can join the book club. Number five, remember, no one cares about great storytelling more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of this week's episode subject to cramps, me reading to you, the billboard charts from June 13th, 1978, the day the cramps played a live set at a mental institution in northern California. Number one, shadow dancing, Andy Gibb. Last week, two, peak position, one, weeks on chur, 10. Number two, you're the one that I want, John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John. Last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chur, 12.

Number three, Baker Street, Jerry Rafferty. Last week, five, peak position, three, weeks on chur. Number five, number four, it's a heartache. Bonnie Tyler. Last week, six. Peak position, nine. Weeks on Cher, 13. Number five, too much, too late.

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