DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode - Disgraceful Disclosures, Conspiracies, and 11.22.63

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

This week in the After Party, Jake looks forward to the possibility of 2025 being a year of disgraceful disclosures about JFK, UAPs, Jeffrey Epstein, and Diddy. Plus, Jake gets your takes on the JFK assassination: the CIA, LBJ, UFOs, La Cosa Nostra, MK Ultra, the Secret Service and more. We're through the looking glass here, people!Next week, we're serving up an episode on The Band, Martin Scorcese, and their legendary collaboration on "The Last Waltz," one of the finest concert films ever made. What do you think is the greatest concert film of all time? What are some of your favorites? Let Jake know at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 16 - Frank SinatraEpisode 34 - Jim MorrisonEpisode 166 - Steve McQueenEpisode 175 & 176 - Marilyn MonroeTo hear an extended version of the After Party and to hear more from the DISGRACELAND community, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter) Facebook Fan Group To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's subject of the disgrace land full episode, Woody Harrelson. And of course, that means we're talking about who killed JFK. It's 1122 this week.

Also, plus, we have a dramatic genre. Combs' courtroom turnaround. And of course, we are diving into your voicemails, texts, and more. And as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get it. So, the anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination is Friday, 1122. And we've designed this week's programming around this event, the big event, as James L. Roy called it in his 1995 book, American tabloid. A different James, James Files, who many of you brought to my attention over the last few days, mainly on Instagram, some on X, James Files, the convict who from prison in 1994 admitted to being the grassy-nual shooter, James Files also used the same language, the big event, when describing the Kennedy assassination,

as did E. Howard Hunt, during his deathbed confession in 2007, when he copped to his own involvement in the killing of Kennedy, or to his... involvement in, as he called it, the big event. None of these depictions mentioned Charles Harrelson, the father of this week's full episode subject of disgrace land, Woody Harrelson. That's right, Woody from Cheers, his dad, Charles Harrelson. None of these depictions of 1122-63 mentioned Woody's dad's involvement in the Kennedy murder or his arrest as one of the three tramps out on the grassy knoll on that fateful day in November of 63. There are so many theories involving the murder of Kennedy.

And this is this week's question of the week and received a ton of feedback from you guys, both on social media, email, voicemail, text, everywhere on what you think happened on that day on November 22nd, 1963. This story, it never fails to captivate me. It's like that Godfather trope. I think I'm out and I get pulled back in, you know.

I love thinking about this story and I love talking about it. And it's clear that you guys do as well. Well, I've yet to go through all the voicemails and the text. I'm going to before we get through this recording. But so far, nobody but me has mentioned the conspiracy theory involving George Herbert Walker Bush. Now, I'm not theorizing that George Bush, and to be clear, not talking about George W. Bush. I'm talking about his dad, first president, who was elected president in 1988 and who was vice president for Ronald Reagan before that. Now, I'm not theorizing that Bush killed Kennedy, but I do think he was involved. Also, Most interesting for our purposes here in disgrace land, George H.W. Bush and Woody Harrelson's dad, Charles Harrelson, were not only both in Dallas that day, I believe, but they also lived in the same town, Midland, Texas.

I'm not saying they were going out for coffee and donuts together on Saturday mornings, down in the Midland Town Center and conspiring about how to kill the president, as I do believe Lee Harvey Oswald, Clay Shaw, and David Ferry were doing at parties in New Orleans at that exact same time. But, you know, even if Charles Harrelson and George H.W. Bush didn't know each other, and I don't think they did know each other, the fact that Woody's dad and W.'s dad were both in Dallas that day and involved in the shooting that day and also both from Midland, Texas at that time, it's pretty incredible.

Our episode details Woody's dad's involvement. He was a convicted contract killer, and he admitted to shooting Kennedy. And the photographic evidence from that day does a pretty damn good job implicating Charles Harrelson as being one of the three tramps arrested on that day. The photographic evidence also does a pretty good job, not as good, but still solid, improving the George H.W. Bush was also there, okay? Four presidents were in Dallas on that day, and one of them, JFK, died. And the other three all benefited in some ways by his death.

Bush denies being there. Lyndon Baines Johnson was there for obvious reasons. Richard Nixon was there on a fundraiser, and Bush was there. But Bush denies it. And there's the photo, okay? You can't deny the photo. Now, the photo, it's not conclusive, but when you line that photo up against later photos of George H.W. Bush, you can even tell by the body language, the similarity.

In connection with the reporting around this discovery that Bush was in Dallas, on 11, 22, 63. This came out during Bush's vice presidency in the 80s. And he denied being there to the reporter when he was asked, okay, through a spokesperson, but still he denied it. And then he denied that he was even part of the CIA, an agency that he led for a brief time in the 1970s before he was vice president. But Bush was caught in that lie when a memo from Jay Edgar Hoover was discovered that

names Bush as being part of the CIA going back as far as 1953. And Bush's father, Prescott Bush, was for sure CIA. He was Yale. He was skull and bones. He was OSS. Okay. And then there's the other lie that George H.W. Bush was caught in. The one brought to light by the other FBI memo, the FBI was doing no favors for George

H.W. Bush. By this other FBI memo that came to light that puts Bush in Dallas. us on that day. And like I said, there's the photo of Bush standing outside the Texas Book Depository right after the shooting. So what was he doing there? Well, he wasn't killing John F. Kennedy, but I believe he was part of it. And he likely didn't even know it. The going theory was that he was sent there as a young, friendly ally of the CIA, if not an actual asset, as someone from the area who knew the area and who could do a portion of the CIA's bidding. In this case, that meant disinformation. The theory states,

that Bush was there to sow doubt and confusion after the shooting, to muddy the waters, to make it impossible for us to suss out what actually took place, which is what happened, by the way, because here we are, 61 years later debating what actually went down on that day and who was responsible. Oswald did it alone. Oswald didn't do it alone at all. Oswald didn't do it. James Files did it.

Charles Harrelson was the gunman. E. Howard Hunt was the man who orchestrated it all on the ground. George H.W. Bush is guilty. L.B.J. had Kennedy killed. It was the mafia, the CIA, the Q.A. The anti-Castro-Cubans of all these theories, the one that holds the least sand with me is the LBJ theory that a lot of you have mentioned to me this week on Instagram, on X. And with good reason, I get why you guys think LBJ had Kennedy killed. Clearly stood to benefit, especially when you take into account the theory that LBJ feared that he was never going to get his shot.

Okay, LBJ hated the Kennedy's, even though he was Kennedy's vice president. It was a transactional partnership. Kennedy needed to win Texas. He couldn't do that without LBJ. That's how LBJ became vice president. And Johnson was incredibly career-minded, incredibly aspirational, huge ego as well, saw himself as the president, saw Kennedy as a punk. And he thought that Kennedy was going to run,

Again in 64, and of course he was going to win. So that would have put Johnson on the bench for eight years. And that after Kennedy won, after eight years, Bobby Kennedy, who LBJ hated even more than he hated Jack Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy would then get the nomination from the Democratic Party and run. And then it would be another eight years before LBJ could get anywhere close to the Democrat nomination. I'm not even talking about Ted Kennedy. That's what these people were thinking back then.

Okay. And it's understandable. They were forecasting. They're opportunistic. They're career-minded. They're trying to figure it out. So Jack Kennedy dies, and LBJ certainly stands to benefit from it. And this was also E. Howard Hunt's theory. E. Howard Hunt was CIA. E. Howard Hunt was definitely involved in this. E. Howard Hunt was later involved, came to prominence, came to the public view during the Watergate hearings. He was part of that as well. So when E. Howard Hunt dies, you can, can hear this deathbed confession you can go on youtube and find it's pretty fascinating uh his whole thing is that he was involved yes but lbj was really pulling the strings but i just don't buy it i don't see lbj rolling up his sleeves and putting this plan into action it's just too craven it's too machiavellian even for a texas politician i can see him i can see lbj as vice president getting some sort of notion of what was going on and just simply step stepping out of the way and allowing things to click into place because he sensed or knew overtly that he would benefit from it. But no, I don't believe he was actually pulling the strings.

I do believe that the mafia was behind the nuts and bolts of the assassination and that they worked hand in hand with freelancing CIA assets and associates to pull off the big event, just as they had worked hand in hand with the CIA during the Bay of Pigs. They had the same crew and they just got the band back together a couple years later. It's basically the James Elroy theory. And I believe that the higher-ups at the CIA and higher-ups in the government like LBJ, like I said, were aware, if not directly responsible and that they just let it happen. So under this sort of broad mafia CIA theory, all the theories mentioned above pretty much are still possible. They can all be true. And they likely are, which is the beauty, the,

the absolute beauty of a conspiracy like this. And it's sort of what I hint at, not hint at, I kind of get at it overtly in the Frank Sinatra episode of disgrace, but you have all these interested parties moving in the same direction at once. Okay, Oswald could have been a shooter, if not the single lone shooter. James Files could have been as well. And he very well might not have even known about it. Oswald in the book depository. Same goes for Woody's dad. Charles Harrelson on the grassy

knoll could have been a shooter as well. Could have had no idea that there were two other shooters. There goes the magic bullet theory. And there's your firing squad triangulation, by the way. So bye-bye, bad back jack. Oswald could have been activated by the CIA. James Files, activated by the mafia, as he claims, those two things are not mutually exclusive. E. Howard Hunt, okay, he was CIA to his core. So was George H.W. Bush. Hunt very clearly. knew why he was there, given his stature in the agency. But Bush, George H.W. Bush was young. He was likely there and on a need to know basis. George, we have a problem. We're trying to prevent in Dallas. Go over to Dallas. Spread this misinformation by calling it a false report

to the FBI. And then it happens. And it's, oh shit, George, the president's dead. Well, we tried. Oh, well. And then Bush goes on to live the rest of his days knowing something was very rotten in Denmark. I mean, Dallas. And that he got played into it. But he never actually has the proof. All of these different parts moving at once unknowingly in most cases toward the same end goal is genius-level manipulation, which is what senior members of the mafia in the CIA are and always have been genius-level manipulators. This, the big event, was their Super Bowl, and they won.

But as another of the CIA's victims, Malcolm X, once said, the chickens are coming home to roost. I believe that it's more likely than not that this next Trump administration brings us disclosure on this issue. Trump vowed to release the JFK files during his last term and didn't because CIA director at the time,

Mike Pompeo, talked him out of it, making the case that there were still people alive who would be embarrassed by the truth. First of all, fuck those people. You're embarrassed of what? The murder you took part in? The baked-in elitist establishment attitude underlying this rationale is so gross.

We the people, the people who theoretically run this country, we the people deserve to know what happened, as do the Kennedys. I'm no fan of the Kennedys. I think, you know, even if you're liberal or you're conservative or what, the Kennedys have a lot to answer for. And I'm not talking about Jack or Bobby, who I think were relatively great in what they did back in the day,

but still the family deserves to know if they don't already. And Mike Pompeo is gone and apparently he isn't coming back. And Bobby Kennedy Jr., okay, RFK Jr., Bobby Kennedy's son, Jack Kennedy's nephew, is potentially going to be part of this administration. And I think it's more than likely that we end up getting disclosure on this issue. I hope. I really, really, really hope. Okay.

I also think that we're going to be getting more UFO and UAP disclosure. We got a bunch of it last week, by the way. I don't know if you saw that. I don't want to derail this conversation we're having right now, but holy shit, that congressional hearing. I also think we're going to get more info on Epstein. I think this info, it's going to be overwhelming. I can give you more on my T-Leave reading here on Jeffrey Epstein

in the All-Axas portion of this episode coming up later. Again, I don't want to derail this. But I see this a lot in the last week's months. A lot of people are grouping all this disclosure, the disclosing of, like I said, the JFK files, UFOs, Epstein, they're grouping that with disclosing of the ditty tapes. Okay. Now this, I don't agree with. I don't think this is how it works. Sean Combs is part of an active investigation and soon an active trial. We hope, although I have news on that might not happen. It would be highly dubious if during

this period a trove of sex tapes were somehow released by the administration. I don't think it's going to happen. I just think that's insane. sane. We might get some videos, but we're not going to get it like that. It's not going to be part of the same disclosure. We're already seeing disclosure with UFOs and UAPs. And like I said, I'll talk more about the Epstein thing later in the All Access portion of this. And we just talked about the JFK disclosure. I don't think the ditty thing is part of that. But regardless, it's going to be a very disgraceable 2025. And I personally cannot wait. Okay. It's going to be incredible. All right, on Sean Combs real quick to keep you guys updated. A lot has gone down this

week. It was a very busy week. He was in court again on Tuesday. And there were, of course, also separately more accusations from more victims via Tony Busby. We also learned this week, and this is in part why Sean Combs was in court. We learned that Diddy's cell was raided, okay? And the prosecutors are alleging that Diddy has been trying to coerce witnesses, or influence witnesses, I should say, from jail, allegedly. Based on, this rating of his cell where prison guards came in, they swept the cell, they took a bunch of shit. They found notes. They collected these notes from Diddy's cell where Diddy is apparently making legal plans and it has to do with witnesses and coercing them and influencing them

and potentially bribing them all kinds of crazy stuff. So they take these notes and then there's this, Diddy has to show up in court on Tuesday with his attorneys, presumably to, to discuss, defend, I don't know, but it has to do with these notes. So they're going to court. And then shockingly, the decision on Tuesday that the judge rules is in favor of Sean Combs in his legal team, the judge rules that the notes that were seized in his cell are not admissible in court. Now, Diddy's team is claiming that Sean Combs's case needs to be thrown. out based on the breaking of attorney-client privilege because the notes that were seized from Diddy's Cell were clearly marked legal, or at the very least, the team of prosecutors for the

government needs to be recused based on their part and what is being called or alleged to be widespread institutional failure. I personally am shocked that the judge ruled the way that he did here. No word yet on whether the case will get tossed completely, although, again, that's what Sean Combs' team is asking for. And there's also no word on whether or not the prosecution will be recused. So we will know more on Friday, 1122, there's that infamous date again when Sean Combs goes back into court to hear the judge's decision on his bail, which is why all of this is relevant. The reason that Sean Combs was not granted bail was because the prosecution argued that he was trying too hard to influence the case from the outside to influence potential

witnesses. Now, Combs is arguing that he should be released from jail on bail to await his trial. And personally, until this week, I thought there was no way in hell that the judge was going to let him out. None. I thought that the papers that were seized proved that did he should not be released because they proved that he was indeed trying to influence witnesses on the outside. but now the fact that the judge ruled in favor of Combs and not the prosecution, it has me rethinking everything here, or at least feeling like I have no idea what the hell is going to happen during Diddy's Friday bail hearing. I doubt the case gets tossed completely as Sean Combs' team is requesting, and I doubt the prosecution's legal team gets recused, but maybe, maybe.

By the time we talk next week, Diddy's eating turkey at his Star Island mansion instead of slop in a Brooklyn jail. Next week, Thanksgiving. One of my favorite holidays, we're going to be chilling here at Double Elvis like all of you are. But as far as your podcast feeds go, it will be business as usual. You're getting the regular release of episodes that you get every week on Tuesday. We have a Thanksgiving-themed episode on the band in Martin Scorsese. Why? Okay.

Why do we have a Thanksgiving themed? Why is this episode Thanksgiving themed you might ask? Well, it's because it's about the band's concert film, The Last Waltz, which was filmed directed by Martin Scorsese. It was filmed on Thanksgiving. They even served Thanksgiving dinner to the conference. concertgoers and performers. Neil Young didn't eat though. Pretty sure he had the shits from all the illegal gack. He was hoovering up backstage with Rick Danko. But still, it's a Thanksgiving episode about one of the greatest Thanksgiving concerts ever. And it will beg the question.

Okay, when you're listening to next week's episode, I want to be thinking about what is the greatest concert film of all time? Is it the Martin Scorsese directed Last Waltz? Try to come up with a suggestion for a better concert film than the last waltz. And let me know. Let me know if you can. I know there's some contenders out there. I'm not going to do the work for you. But I know you guys know some contenders as well. I want to know. We'll talk about it in next week's after party. All right. So you're also going to be getting an after party episode on Thursday on Thanksgiving. You can listen to that when you're stuffing your turkey or doing the dishes or driving home from Grandma's house. And of course, while you're stuck at the airport on Friday, there's going to be a rewind episode for you. This week's rewind episode, however, is JFK themed. Okay. We're staying on theme this week. This week's Rewind episode is the John Denver episode. If you want to know more on E. Howard Hunt in his role in the assassination than I invite you to listen. I have more on this later in the show, and I'll be back right after this break with your theories on 1122.62.63 in a moment.

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I know you guys could too. The more I think about it, actually, the more I think we should have a forum for some of the wilder conspiracy theories that are out there as they relate to our episodes and the subjects that we discuss. The problem is that it's hard to talk about this stuff without being labeled a kook. but the reality is a lot of these so-called conspiracies end up being proven to be true. Yesterday's conspiracy in a lot of cases is today's historical fact. That's just the truth. And the Kennedy assassination is a perfect example. I could give you 10 more.

But just it was once considered kooky to not believe the lone gunman theory. But it's now pretty much universally accepted that there was some sort of conspiracy at play. We should be able to talk about these stories and pursue the truth without. the labeling and perhaps for the more wacky theories we should be able to speak about them objectively. The problem is when and where, okay? Even as it pertains to Diddy, for example, do you guys know, do you know the Britney Murphy, Kim Porter, Aston Coucher, Sean Combs theory? It is wild and I don't think it's to be dismissed out of hand. I think there may be something there. And I don't want to come off like some lace curtain, Jaguar Wright, but it would be cool to lay this theory out to you guys

objectively, again, objectively, not saying that, like, I believe in this theory, but it's worth discussing. And then to get your thoughts on it, we can have a conversation about it and see where it fits into the objective, viable facts of the ditty case as they've already come out, as they've come to light, as they're coming to light. I don't know, just a thought. Maybe there's a way to do this in 2025. I've got some ideas percolating. Okay, speaking of your thoughts, let's hear your thoughts on the JFK conspiracy and Woody Harrelson in his contract-killing old man. Hey, Jake, Abby in Colorado, been a follower since the beginning. Huge follower of the JFK conspiracy theory.

It's been a hobby of mine for years. I was lucky enough to visit the Conspiracy Museum in Dallas years ago. The guy was just opening it, and he gave us a private tour. To me, the most compelling piece of evidence is that if you get a close-up picture of the three hobos who were arrested at the grassy knoll, you can clearly see that one of them is Woody Harrelson's dad, which indicates an inside job. Anyway, keep it coming. Thanks for everything. And we know the CIA did it.

Thanks. Abby, thank you for the call in the longtime listenership. I appreciate it. I've been to the grassy knoll, actually. I went up to the fence, as I'm sure you did. And when you're there, you can see clear as day that it was a prime position to get a shot off. Charles Harrelson might have been one of the shooters. Regarding the museum, I didn't know about this,

conspiracy museum, I didn't know about this at all. Sounds like seeing the image firsthand convinced you that Woody's dad was indeed there, which is pretty damn interesting. Thank you for the call. All right, let's check out the 904. Hey, Jake, what's up? It's Patrick from Jacksonville, Florida 904.

You're a question about the JFK, like else we'll ever know. who killed him because I don't think it is a national security issue. Anywho's, the theory that I have heard abandoned about and the one that I really subscribe to is that I do believe Oswald was there. He shot from the book depository. from what information I've heard is it's likely that he first shot missed

the motorcade heard and saw the shot accelerated Oswald shot another bullet which kicked JFK, the so-called magic bullet I suppose that passed through him and into the governor in the front seat and as the motorcade was speeding off, a Secret Service agent and the car following the presidential limousine

stood up, the car accelerated. He fired his weapon accidentally as the car set up and he fell down. And that bullet is the one that struck Kennedy in the head. JSC blown away. What else do I have to say? And there are reports on the ground of people seeing a bright flash from the car behind them, the muzzle flash.

And there are reports of people on the pedestrian overpass there in Gilly Plaza. Smelling gunpowder has a motorcade passed underneath rushing JSCD, the Parkland Hospital there. There's a great documentary on it called I think it's the smoking gun that really covers that theory. But yeah, I don't think we'll ever really know. But that's the one that makes the most sense to me without being a conspiracy nut. I do believe that there's a lot of interest groups, people, slash, et cetera, blah, blah, blah, that wanted him dead and probably had the means motive opportunity.

but the secret service agent whoopsie and cover up thereafter is the one that I subscribe to anyways love the show peace okay this theory is new to me and Patrick you've laid it out beautifully you're also one of many this week who have brought this theory to my attention and that's why that's why I love this this whole JFK subject it's endless it's endless And the thing I like about this theory is that it's simple. It's kind of wild. It's very out there, but it's also simple. It involves an obvious cover-up. And it cuts out, you know, two things can be true at the same time, like the CIA and the mafia and people in government, LBJ, etc. Could have all wanted Kennedy to be dead, could to be shot, right? And it could have just been a crazy

Oswald and then this happenstance being shot by the Secret Service, which would, of course, necessitate the wild cover-up. This is fascinating. And I think it supports the Pompeo thing. It gives the Pompeo thing a little bit more validity, where he's saying, you know, we don't want this to come out now, Mr. President, because it's too embarrassing to people who are still alive. And that could mean secret service agents. It could mean secret service as an institution and not the CIA, because think about it, if it came out tomorrow, officially, that the CIA had their hand in this, we'd all kind of just go, yeah, no shit. Of course they did. You know what I mean? If it came out that it was the Secret Service, I think people would be really shocked. Now,

all that said, do I believe this? I don't know. Not really. It's a little too far-fetched, but I am going to watch this documentary. I'm excited about it. So thanks for the call, Patrick. six, three, eight guys, voicemail and text, just like Chuck in the 337 who writes in, hey, Jake, if you're born in Louisiana, two things are absolutely going to happen. You're given an LSU shirt at birth and told in no uncertain terms that New Orleans mob boss, Carlos Marcello, had Kennedy killed with help from Traficante. Carlos had an intense personal hatred of the Kennedys, and it made them look like jerkoffs during the 1959 Senate hearings,

claiming he was a simple tomato farmer who made wise investments. And Bobby Kennedy more than got even when he had Marcello basically kidnapped without allowing him even a phone call, put on a private plane, and unceremoniously just dumped the mob boss in Guatemala. Jake, this was a major mob boss.

Totally fucked and humiliated by the Kennedys. Jack goes on to talk a lot of Oliver Stone, a lot of Jack Ruby, a lot of all of, And I think, you know, I'm reading this text because we didn't really get into the mafia end of this, mafia end of this as much as we did the CIA angle here. But yes, it's worth mentioning Bobby Kennedy was a ruthless prick when it came to the La Cosa Nostra members here in America. And this Marcello thing was huge and no doubt played a part in the assassination of Bobby's brother. I believe that for sure.

All right, let's check out this text from the 814 who writes in, hey, I've heard lots of theories over the years regarding JFK's death. The Paul Landis theory about Secret Service agent George Warren Hickey Jr. accidentally firing his rifle seems very compelling to me. Now, I'm reading this one to you because it backs up with the voicemail we just heard. And again, I got so much of this on Instagram. And I'm a little embarrassed that I didn't know this theory. And again, I'm going to watch this tonight and happy to get into it.

And keep this conversation going on the Secret Service culpability here with the Kennedy assassination. Lots of comments like I mentioned on Instagram on X at this disgrace and pot. You guys want to hit me up. I want to read a couple of them here. New Dawn Fade 73 writes, A top secret memo supposedly written on 1112.63. The president ordered the CIA director to organize the agency's intelligence files relating to UFOs and to debrief him on all quote unquote unknowns by the following February.

Ten days later, Kennedy was assassinated. this this one really excites me i got to say i've heard mention of this before that kennedy was going to disclose the government's information on roswell and on aliens and i and i i kind of just dismissed it is this like one how many rabbit holes can you actually fall down into but after getting this this message here from uh who's this from new dawn fade 73 i dug into it a little bit on my own and yeah certainly there was a memo dated on 1112, 63, you can find it from Kennedy to the CIA, stating just that, that he wanted the info. What do you got? What do you got on aliens? I know you got something. I want to know what it is

so I can give it to NASA because I don't trust you fuckers in the CIA and I want my people in NASA to be figuring it out. And then, of course, 10 days later, he's shot. Now, was that the reason he was shot? I don't think so. I don't know, but it is fun to think about. Sharon Stavoy writes in, well my conspiracy theory co-worker we call him flat earth that that helps in it with the description thinks it was not other than the beautiful first lady herself he says she was mk ultrad thought he was talking about beer at first said he was mind-controlled for years seems completely impossible to me i always loved her for her elegant she's talking about jackie oh her strength her poise and stoicism uh flat earth sticks to his theory though he again also believes

that we live under a dome strange thing is if you listen to him long enough, dot, dot, dot, dot. Well, Sharon Stavoy and Flat Earth, whoever you are, I don't think Jack E.O. was M.K. Ultrad. I think Jacqueline Kennedy at the time. Jacqueline Bouvier before that was very establishment. And that's not who got M.K. Ultrad. M.K. Ultra, for those of you who don't know, was a secret CIA program that was run in the, I believe, going back to the 50s and throughout the 60s where they would dose unwittingly like Johns, who were looking for prostitutes, hippies, et cetera, and sort of, you know, see what they could get them to do, sort of create these Manchurian candidate test tube babies, so to speak.

I'm not doing a good job explaining it because, frankly, I don't want to do a good job explaining it because we can just go on and on and on and on and on with these conspiracies. But, you know, I thought that was interesting to see how far and wide these theories can go. Jackie O did not kill her husband, did not shoot him. That's not the only time I've seen that. I saw it in a couple other comments as well. At Discred Slant Pod guys, Instagram X, TikTok to get at me on this and anything else that you want to talk about. Oh, man, Jackie O and M.K. Ultra.

Now I've lost my train of thought. Where were we? Question of the week next week is going to be greatest concert film. You can think about that while you're listening to the band in the last Waltz episode. And you can get at me 617-9066638 or at Skritsk. I'm going to take a quick break back in flash. All right, guys, we are back. Disgracellandpot at gmail.com.

You want to hit me up with anything related to JFK, related to the last waltz, related to anything we're discussing here at all. Discracellandpot at gmail.com. This one comes from Bob. Bob Wright said, hey, from what I understand, John Denver was a sniper in a military version of MK. Ultra and shot the president from the freeway overpass. Bob, I, I, I, Bob, man, I appreciate this.

this email. I really do. Bob, just sit tight, okay? Because you listen into this after party bonus episode. And then the next one that's going to hit your feed, the next episode that hits your feed right after this, the rewind episode is on John Denver. And Bob, I hope you listen to it. And for anybody else who has not heard the John Denver episode yet, you might be thinking John Denver, who, what, why? I fucking hate John Devere. I'm like you. I don't like John Denver either. I don't like his music. I never had. I had a girlfriend in high school who loved John Denver. I was like, what the fuck? John Denver? What are we doing? Everyone I know loves John Denver, though, so I should probably shut my mouth hole here.

But John Denver has a lot to do with the JFK assassination. So, so, for those who know, no, okay, you guys know, you know what I'm saying. But for those of you who have not heard this episode yet, check it out, all right? And then I want you to get back at me. Okay, I want you to email me and tell me what you thought. I want you to call me and let me know what you thought. 617-9-66-3638. I want to text me.

Get at me however you want. Instagram on X and just let me know what you thought of this John Denver Rewind episode. Okay, Bob, I'm talking to you, but I'm also talking to all of you have not yet heard it. Okay, it's coming up next. Okay, this one I meant to read last week, but I did not. It comes from Kimberly Whitehead. She writes in, hey, Jake, I guess I'm a little disappointed about the focus on Diddy and no acknowledgement of the death of the almost eight-decade career of Quincy Jones. Producing Thriller was not Quincy's only highlighted accomplishment of his career. I guess I just expected more being that you are a music lover. And Kimberly goes on to say, I'm not sure why there's

such a focus on Diddy. Wendy Williams and others tried to expose him over the years and were repeatedly shut down. I guess for me, Diddy is not the issue for decades. Plenty of men in the industry behaved in this manner. Only women weren't believed entities would fix it and technology wasn't there to catch them. Although Head Hopper, Luella Parsons, and Confidential Magazine knew what line not to cross. I appreciate you taking the time to read my email, Kimberly from the 513 home of Roger Troutman of Zapp. There's so much in this email that I want to get to you. First of all, Kimberly, you're right. I didn't mention Quincy Jones, and I damn well should have in the afterparty. Quincy Jones was a giant. He was an icon. And that word, I feel like it gets thrown around

too much these days and so much so much so that it's lost its meaning. So much of popular music would not sound the way that it sounds right now if it weren't for Quincy Jones. So much of pop culture would not be what it is if it weren't for Quincy Jones. And of course, I'm very very aware that Quincy Jones has a long, long, long, important contribution to the music world that goes far beyond thriller. But thriller might be the apex. And I, so, you know, I didn't mention in the after party, but in my defense, I did talk about it on social media. Now I know that that is a small audience comparatively to how many people listen to this podcast. So you might have missed it. But in my mind, I was sort of checking the box there. And then I should have mentioned in the

episode and I did not and I appreciate you bringing it up. There's more here in your email though, Kimberly, that I want to dive into a little bit because I just think it's great. You talk about the focus on Diddy these days and Wendy Williams. I did not know this. I didn't know this about the Wendy Williams part of the Diddy story. And I know that it goes deeper than what you mentioned here. It's sort of like, it's on a shelf in my brain is something that I'm going to figure out at some point. But just because this was brought to light and like I've been saying all along is that this was an open secret. or people knew that Diddy was up to something. But we didn't know what it was, okay?

And I think if you're being honest, Kimberly, you would say that even you, I'm guessing, did not know the depth of the depravity here that we're hearing when it comes to Diddy. So I think that's why we keep talking about it because this story is going in a gazillion different directions and it's going very deep and it's going to touch a lot of people

in the entertainment industry. And I don't disagree with you that men have been in the entertainment industry have been able to cover this up, this type of behavior up for years. But I do think that Diddy's behavior is in and of itself unique comparatively to most of what we have heard. Okay. When you're talking about drugging women at parties with lubricant in baby oil, and I mean,

it's just, it's so shocking. It's the biggest music and true crime story ever. And we've yet to really scratch the surface, which is why I'm going to keep talking about it. and I hope I can do it in a way that is compelling enough to keep you around, Kimberly. Finally, or not finally, I like how you mentioned head of hopper, L. Hulah Parsons and Confidential Magazine. Very James L. Roy there. I dig that, the old school, Hollywood, gossip, sort of tabloid-y stuff.

Love that. And Roger Troutman and Zapp from your hometown, Kimberly, he deserves his own disgrace, disgrace, episode sooner or later at some point. We got into him in the, I think it was the big lurch episode. We got into Zapp, pretty sure. pretty sure we did. All right, disgrace land pod at gmail.com. Got another email from,

I got another email on this Paul Landis, JFK thing. I'm not going to read it because we've got into it here. This one's from Kirk. Kirk, I appreciate it. Kirk recommends the book, the final witness. And I just want to say,

I appreciate that when it comes to a story that I'm, I consider myself well acquainted with, the JFK story that I love how you guys are bringing, bringing new news to light for me here. I really appreciate that. Thank you. Got a net. I'm laughing at this one. Got a, um, got an email from Mike Rydia who says, oh, let's see here.

Subject. Who told you to speed up the podcast message? Not loving it as a long time listener. The previous time was more mellow. Now I get anxious listening and maybe this is your objective. Well, mission accomplished. You should see what would happen if you roll it at its original speed. Best, Roddy, Nashville.

Roddy, my man. Two things could be happening here. One, you could have your podcast settings set to 1.5 speed, where it sounds like I'm talking really fast like this, and I'm really not. I'm really actually talking like this, but it speeds it up for you. Or I will say the last episode of the after party,

I did happen to listen to it because I wanted to hear my rant there and see if I went overboard. I didn't. But I wanted to listen and I did and I went back and I realized, holy shit, I was talking very, fast. And I did something different in that episode. I usually record these in the afternoon, but I got up super early that day and I drank a bunch of espresso and I recorded that episode, I think around like 8, 9 a.m., something like that, jacked on coffee and espresso. And you can hear

it. You can hear it. And yeah, I'll slow roll it a little bit for you guys here in the after party. Either way, dig the email, disgrace, end pod at gmail.com. Guys, you know the drill. Reviews. Hit us with reviews, the good reviews, help people discover the show. I read a review here. If I read yours, you get in touch, and then I get some merch out to you, okay? I got some pins. I got a clear out of the merch cabinet here. Also got a couple t-shirts. If your size matches up, we can make it work, but no promises. Let's see here. What do we got? All right, the art of storytelling perfected by DJ Chemist goes on to say, Disgraceland is an excellent podcast that I highly recommend. As an art bell enthusiast, I usually listen to Art Bell and Joe Rogan.

Who's Artie Bell? Archie Bell? Not Archie Bell. Who's Art Bell? However, I recently discovered Disgraceland, and it's right up there with Joe Rogan in my all-time favorites right alongside Art Bell. Who the fuck is Art Bell? When it comes to hosts, I go for a one to two mile walk every day and every night, and I usually listen to old episodes of Art Bell.

This is like an Art Bell ad, man. Anyways, listen, DJ Chemist, I love the enthusiasm. He goes on to say some very nice things here. Five stars. I appreciate it. Hit me up, Disgracelandpot, at gmail.com. and I'll get you some merch. Over on Spotify, a user named Lord commented on the Woody Harrelson episode

by just saying simply, well, goddamn. Now, unlike DJ chemist, Lord is a fan of the brevity, and you shall be rewarded for that brevity, Lord. Get in touch. Well, God damn. Appreciate the reviews, guys. I appreciate you guys.

I appreciate you spreading the word. We are an independent podcast. We're bootstrapping it. Trying to get the word out. Promotion don't come cheap and love it when you guys spread the word for us. So thank you very, very much. Listen, for those who want a little extra disgrace-landy vibes this holiday season, we're doing a book club. We're doing it on December 18th at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And the book we've decided on that you guys decided on really is James L. Roy's perfidia.

And John F. Kennedy makes an appearance in this book. And it's kind of Christmassy. So it makes sense. okay if you want more of the kennedy assassination in your disgrace land podcast like i mentioned we got a rewind episode coming up this friday on john denver now listen if you're listening to this bonus episode and you're listening to it in i don't know 2025 we're listening to it well beyond the release date here in late november 2004 here on november 21st when it's being released and you hear uh you hear you know again like i said if you're listening to it later a couple months later and you hear about John Denver coming up next to your feed. It ain't going to be next to your feed. We do these rewind episodes. We pop them in. They're up there for a couple weeks and they go right

back to their order in the archive. Okay. But I'm just letting you guys know there is a kick-ass John Denver episode coming up right after this episode. All right. So check that out. Now, this episode is nearing its end, but the after-party continues for our all-access members. Sign up today. You're going to hear an extended version of the after-party. where we're going to get into, what are we getting into today? A little Jeffrey Epstein talk, which I'm excited about. All-Axcess members, you can sign up. This disgracelandpod.com slash membership if you're not already an all-access member.

And you get, like I said, the extended version of the bonus episode here. You get ad-free listening, extra episode per month. And you can get into the chat with us on Patreon, talk to your fellow discos. Back in a flash. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either.

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Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. And just then, we felt the plain turn in the air, so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive head first into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything and me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off.

And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets, starting May 7th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We are back. Like I said, guys, lots going on in the archive. You know this. So many episodes. If you knew to disgrace, we've got over 200 episodes, full episodes.

I'm not including the bonus episodes here, the after parties. We have over 200 fully scripted, sound designed episodes in our archive on artists, musicians from every genre of music, practically. Music, true crime, and of course, dark stories from the world of entertainment.

We have some episodes on actors, some Hollywood folks, a couple athletes, artists, it's all there. I like to sort of give here in the e-block, while we close out these after parties, a little roadmap to some of these archive episodes based on what we talk about in the bonus episode. Frank Sinatra came up earlier.

That's episode number 16. That's where our release date back in July, July 31st, 2018. I really get into the conspiracy theory there around JFK in that episode. Check that out if you have not heard it. And if you want an hilarious episode on John F. Kennedy, a fantastic episode on Kennedy from before, excuse me, story anecdote on John F. Kennedy from before he was president. Check out the Steve McQueen episode. That's episode one. 66 that was released earlier this year back in March, March 19th, 2004. Of course, Kennedy was involved

the early days of Vietnam and he was not about it. He was going to end our occupation there. And that's in part placed to the theory of why he was killed. If you want to know how Vietnam happened, how it started, uh, in the craziness there and how it connects to Jim Morrison from the doors, Check out episode number 34. That was released back on June 25th, 2019. And of course, it's a Kennedy Bonanza, Bobby Kennedy, Jack Kennedy. Do we get into Ted? No, there's no Ted. Ted could have his own episode, though, Chapo-quittic. But lots of Kennedy, lots of Kennedys in Marilyn Monroe's episodes and disgrace. And episode number 175 released on May 14th, 2012, and episode number 176, released on May 21st, 2024. So check those out, guys. And of course, we got the John DeW.

Denver episode coming up on Friday. Thank you for the calls. Thank you for the voicemails. Thank you for the reviews. I get a jump. But before I do, let's recap. Number one right now on your feed, our episode on Woody Harrelson number two coming tomorrow. Like I said, special rewind episode from our archive on John Denver and his ties to the JFK assassination, remember that if you're listening to this bonus episode weeks after its original release right here where I'm talking to you, there's a chance then that this John Denver rewind episode has popped back into our archive, but that's okay. Just search John Denver, Disgraceland episode in your web browser. You'll get a link

and, of course, all archive episodes and their respective links to where you can listen to them are available at disgracelandpod.com and organized by season. Okay, number three, next week we're talking about the band in Martin Scorsese's last waltz. We're doing that for Thanksgiving. And the question of the week is going to be,

what is the greatest concert film of all time? Number four, merch winners get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about great storytelling more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. Also, I started saying this a couple weeks ago because of the election. I meant to only do it once, but you know what? I like saying it, so I'm not going to stop, okay?

I'm going to keep on going with this message. Love your neighbor. Your neighbor is not your enemy. They might just not agree with you. And that's okay, grace, patience, peace, love and understanding, and rock a roll. All right, in honor of this week's episode on Woody Harrelson and his contract killing dad, the billboard charts from the day Charles Harrelson was arrested outside the Texas Book Depository near the grassy knoll on November 22nd, 1966.

Number one, I'm leaving it up to you, Dale and Grace. Last week, four. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, eight. Number two, Washington Square, the village stoppers. Last week, three, peak position, two, weeks on chart, ten. Number three, deep purple, Nino Tempo and April Stevens. Last week, one.

Peak position, one. Weeks on charm. 11. Number four, Sugar Shack, Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs. Last week. Two. Peak position. One. Weeks on church. Number six.

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