DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode - Great Girl Groups au Go Go

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

This week in the After Party, Jake ponders the greatest girl groups of all time and wonders about our AI-driven future if AI doesn't even have the Go-Gos on its radar as one of the all time great girl groups. Next week, we're presenting our episode on Marilyn Manson, and Jake wants to know: Who was the most subversive artist of the 1990s? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 93 - Taylor Swift Episode 105 and 106 - Britney Spears Episode 40 - Motown Records To hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.disgracelandpod.com/merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GET THE NEWSLETTER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (formerly Twitter)  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show, after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's episode subject, the go-goes. We're previewing the coming Marilyn Manson episode, getting into some recommendations and some

subversive 90s talk, and we go through your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, the go-goes, this week's full episode, subject of disgrace, they did something that no one has ever done before. They were the first group of all female musicians to have a number one album of songs that they wrote themselves, and that's noteworthy. as we discussed in the episode because in the beginning of their career, they were told by music industry insiders, namely record executives, that they couldn't expect to write their own songs

and have a hit album. But that's exactly what they did. So the obvious question then is, are the go-goes the greatest group of female musicians in pop music history? Now, I both love and hate these big, dumb questions. I love them because as dumb as they are, they force us to have a conversation about, things. I dislike them immensely because they're they're so basic and they are so limiting.

They eliminate any nuance and that can be a drag. But hey, we do the nuance thing in the full episode. For these after parties, let's just get the, let's get the conversation going. To do that, we need to say the obvious thing here, which is that there are plenty of women who have had number one albums. Okay, Taylor Swift has 14 number one albums for God's sake. But there's also Madonna, Barbara Streisand. There's others. Now, Taylor and Madonna relied on co-writers for the songs on their number one albums. Okay, I'm not saying that Taylor Swift doesn't write her own songs.

Don't hear this the wrong way. She does write her own songs. She just writes them with Jack Antonoff and other people, okay? Other people have a hand in it. That wasn't the case with the go-goes. They wrote their own songs as the band members of their band. Okay. Madonna, same thing.

First album, I don't think she wrote anything on it. Then if she got some success, she co-wrote with other musicians, True Blue in particular, a huge album for her, number one. I think they're all co-writes on that. Barbara Streisand, to my knowledge, didn't write any of the songs on her number ones. I did a little bit of research into this. And Brittany, Beyonce, Janet Jackson,

it's not like they were holed up in a dingy rehearsal space writing their own tunes. They had writers and or co-writers crafting their hits as well. And again, there are zero-girl groups. Everyone I just talked about was a solo artist. There are zero-girl groups with number one albums. Who wrote their own songs? Diana Ross and the Supremes, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, Dixie Chicks or the Chicks. I'm sorry, Spice Girls, TLC, Danity Kane, Black Pink. None of you did what the go-goes did to achieve your number. number one albums, and that is write your own tunes. All right? It's such a singular achievement that I can't even find a proper list from Rolling Stone, the magazine of record when it comes to stupid lists. I can't even find a real list of greatest girl groups of all time from freaking Rolling Stone. So Billboard has a list, but it's paywalled, and I'm not paying for it. U.S. Weekly has a list, but it isn't ranked, which doesn't do as much good. So let's see what the

have to say, all right? Google's AI, their Gemini product, when prompted with the question, who are the greatest girl groups of all time? Gemini answers with the following. The Supremes, Spice Girls, Destiny's Child are widely considered the greatest girl groups of all time. Now, when I ask ChatGBT, GBT, T gives me the following answer and ranked list. So here's the answer. Again, the question is, who are the greatest girl groups of all time? Chat GPT, the artificial intelligence says the best girl groups of all time can vary depending on criteria like commercial success, cultural impact, critical acclaim, or fan-based devotion. Here's a comprehensive list that includes influential and successful girl groups from various genres and eras. All right, so here's the

ranked list in reverse order from chat GPT. Number 10, Brownstone, I've never heard of them. Number nine, the Ronnettes. All right, I get that. Eight and Vogue. I get that. The Supremes are at seven. Yep. Six is Little Mix, a group I've never heard of. Five, girls generation. That's K-pop that I've never heard of. Black Pink is at number four. I believe Black Pink is the woman from White Lotus. Three, Destiny's Child. Two, TLC. And number one, Spice Girls. That is a tough list for a number of reasons. I'm not even going to get into it. I mean, Ron, that's way too low. That's all I'll say. Okay. So the chat GPT robot included other lists as well, unprompted because chat GPT does right by me, okay?

I guess. Let's see. Chat GPT, the good little robot gave me, what are the, okay, critically acclaimed and culturally important. Okay? So that's this list here. For the groups on that list. I'm sorry, four of the groups on the critically-inclaimed

and culturally important list are groups that I just, that were in the top 10. So I'm not going to get into that. It then gives me a list of underrated and cult favorites. And when I saw that as the heading, as the headline, I thought, okay, here we go. This is where the go-goes are going to end up. So here's the list.

Number five, on the list of best underrated and cult-favored girl groups. Number five, the Bengals. Number four, SWV. Number three, All Saints. Number two, sugar babes, and number one, Dan and E. Kane. The go-goes are nowhere to be found on any of these lists, which makes zero sense. Zero.

The go-goes were not the runaways. The go-goes were not even the freaking bangles. They were so much more. It's beyond discouraging that AI, two different AI applications, mind you. It's beyond discouraging that AI doesn't recognize this band. It's alarming, actually. Now, you might be shaking your head saying, well, it's just AI and who gives a shit about AI?

And I would say, yeah, okay, but artificial intelligence is a reflection of the actual intelligence that is currently on the internet, okay? Or I would say the lack of intelligence that is currently on the internet. How the girl group that wrote their own songs and had the first and the only number one record in history of pop music that were not one hit wonders, who had follow-up hits, a significant career, significant post careers for its members, was just recently inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and is still performing on relevant bills with other relevant artists.

How they're not number one on this list, never mind just completely excluded from these lists is beyond me. It's like the go-goes have descended back into subterranean punk rock obscurity as it concerns the mainstream, the masses. This should not be taken lightly. AI may not take my job as a guy who writes about music, but it's going to be the first veil of history. It's going to be the source that most people in the future reference first

when they're looking for quick facts and quick views into the past. And the fact that the go-goes aren't even mentioned is a freaking disgrace. Okay? I feel like Belinda Carlisle pissed off some robots or something. I have no idea what's going on here. It makes no sense. Maybe I'm in the minority. Maybe the go-goes weren't that good. Maybe the go-goes weren't that significant. Maybe because they come from punk rock, I elevate them somewhat in my mind for some reason. But I don't think so. I mean, those songs were ubiquitous. They were everywhere. They were stone cold hits.

They're still being played. I just cannot get with the fact that they're not recognized here. It doesn't make any sense. And if you want a deeper look into why I feel this way, obviously check out this week's full episode. We just released it a couple days ago. And we're going to find out where you guys stand on this and what you guys think and who you think the greatest girl groups are of all time when we get into your voicemails and your text and your DMs in a bit. But before that, I got to tell you, I got to tell you guys about the upcoming rewind episode

that's hitting your feeds after this one. That episode is on Madonna. And it's freaking awesome. And in it, I discuss some of the wilder moments in Madonna's career, of course. But I also talk about one of my favorite songs of all time, a Madonna's song, but a song Madonna did not write, a song called Borderline, and it features one of the coolest music cues that we've ever created in Disgrace Sand. So check that episode out. It's coming your way next in your feed for some throwback disgrace and vibes. Then next week on Tuesday,

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Jake, what's happening, brother? It's Tony from the 206. I know it's been a minute since I've talked to you. To answer your question on who's the greatest girl group is, the go-goes, I definitely say the go-goes, but I also say the Bengals. I always thought the two of them would make for an interesting versus battle, if you remember the versus from the lockdown era. I always thought the two of them going head-to-head

but who had the better songs would be interesting. So much love from the 206, and I'll holl you later. Peace. Tony and the 206, thanks for the call, my man. I get the Bengals love. I do. I don't, I just don't rank them as high as the go-goes. And for various reasons, I don't want to beat a dead horse,

but mainly it's just the hits. The hits are stronger. And the go-goes came first as well. You've got to give them some credit for that. Johnny Vinyl from the 617. What's up, brother? Let's hear what Johnny's got to say. Hey, what's up, Jake?

It's Johnny Vinyl answering the question. of the week who's the best all-girl band. So I have to say the runaway over the go-goes and then the go-goes set the stage for the Bengals. So I would say it goes in that order. Throw in there for Honorable Mention Vixen. Absolutely for the 90s, you have to pick L-7. And another honorable mention is the band Veruca Salt, where two out of the four members

were the lead singers, guitarists, and wrote all songs. and they were amazing in the 90s. So that's your line up right there. You know I can't stick to just one, but great episode of the go-goes, had me laughing with the whole situation of Ozzie kicking. Forget what her name is, but kicking her out of the hotel room.

You have to be pretty fucked up to have Ozzy kick you out. Anyway, brother, have a good one. Johnny, appreciate the voicemail, as always. Great list, and you're kind of throwing what I just said back in my face. You're putting the runaways at number one, because they came before the go-goes. And yeah, I get how you can do that. They did not have the hits that the go-go's had, obviously,

and neither did they write their own songs. I don't believe. I think it was all Kim Fowley, right? But I get it. And I love how you mentioned to L7. No one's brought them up yet to me. Actually, someone on Instagram did, but I love that we got it in voicemail form here.

And Varucasol as well. Huge. Great call. Appreciate you, my man. 617-906-6638. you guys want to send me a voicemail. Next week's question of the week is going to be on the 90s artists who were the most subversive. Is it Marilyn Manson? Is it somebody else? It was a G.G. Allen died in 1993. So I don't know that we can say that. But the 617 here writes in, hey, G.G. Allen episode,

you mentioned the pit in Harvard Square. It's gone now, which pisses me off. But it hadn't been the same since the early 2000s. However, it was a special place for me from about 1987 to 1992. You and me both. I didn't have any friends in the pit because I wasn't from Boston, but I was hanging out there on weekends. My dad lived in the city. I was from the burbs from my mom. And I would come in. I'd go to Newbury Comics. I'd get some pizza in the mall there.

Forget the name of that place. I could still smell that pizza though. And yeah, I'd go hang out in the pit. And, you know, I'd hope to not get beat up by the skinheads. And I'd just sort of gaze upon the punk rockers and think, you know, what the hell are these fucking gutter punk kids all about as well? It was a whole thing, man. And 617, we probably cross paths. 828 text saying, hey, just finishing up the sign of the Times bonus episode and thought I

throw you some PNC Park picks. I got to love Pittsburgh sports fans. I got to cut this text or off for a minute here. You know, I mentioned a Pittsburgh Pirates hat once, maybe twice, and the Pittsburgh fans come out of the woodwork. It's, I can't tell you how many, how many texts I've got, and voicemails from Pittsburgh and Instagram messages. Just Pittsburgh. sports fans, maybe pirates fans, just looking to talk. You know what reminds me? It reminds me of my dog Dusty who like, you know, someone says the word walk and she comes out. She says, someone say walk? Someone say walk? You know, it's like you mention the pirates. It's like pirates? You guys want to talk

about the pirates? That's the Pittsburgh fans. I love it. And this one sends in these, I'll read the rest of the text. These pictures are probably mostly from Yankees visits since I'm a transplanted Connecticut native. Lee, I appreciate the text. And you have a beautiful ballpark there in Pittsburgh. gorgeous someday i hope to visit thank you 303 writes in hey if you need research help with hair bands that's my jam i read circus and hit parader magazines cover to cover every month for almost a decade starting in the 80s listen 303 appreciate you i might take you up on your offer at some point i just found out that

the singer for warrant died is that true is that true and if you guys could have one episode on one hairband who would it be let's let's let's make a quick look little, a quick little run down here. Poison. I'm thinking, these are all bands I despise, by the way, okay? No, no shade if you like them. I get it. You know, I guess the older I get, a poison song comes on. I have some nostalgia for it. But let's just go, I'm excluding Motley crew. Let's just go five hair bands. You can get one episode on them. Poison, Skid Row, warrant, winger, and then, I don't know, dealer's choice for number five. I don't know if it's faster pussycat, Cinderella, who are we talking about? I can do one. Now, don't just be selfish and be like, I like that band, therefore it's number one. Come at me. Voicemail, 617-90-66-66-638, text. Come at me with what you think will make the best hair metal episode, okay? Which, now, to your point, 303, I was not, I was reading Hiparader and Circus, but I was skipping those articles. And I definitely,

wasn't putting Janie Lane up on my wall. No shade if you were. But you know, some of you know, way better than I, the history of these bands, these hair metal bands. So I want the one, I want the, I want the ones with the most criminality in their background. Is it Skid Row? Is it? Is it? I don't think it is. Is it poison? I don't think it is. Again, Motley Crew does not count. We have a new episode on Nikki Six coming your way. And we, of course, have an episode on Motley crew. So we're going to have two. So there you go. But get at me. Hair metal fans, let me know. 302 writes in as a teenager in the 80s and the 90s, he grew up with a mom that was hyper concerned about what neighbors thought this banger was so important to me. And that banger is

Salt and Peppa's none of your business. And this is on the heels of the Sign of the Times episode that we did on Prince, who we were talking about which artists best represented their generation. And the 302 wrote in ahead of that text. I'm so mad at myself for not mentioning TLC and Salt and Peppa in The Sign of the Times conversation. Both bands were huge in making a statement about feminism and safe sex during the AIDS epidemic. And you're absolutely right. They were and they were females. So it's apropos of our conversation right now this week as well as our conversation last week. Thank you 302 for tying it all together. You guys are the best listeners. Appreciate you. 617-9066638 voicemail and text. You want to get at me at Disgraceland

Pod on the socials. You want to hit me there. Paul over the UK on Facebook writes, hey, it's Paul from the plus four fours. That's the UK in case that's lost in translation. Working my way back through your amazing back catalog and am still stuck in the past somewhere in 2023 when you're asking for recommendations. Don't worry, Paul. We were asking for recommendations last week as well. We do it from time to time. Recommendations on stories to cover and I thought to cast an eye to the future and see if you've covered Wales's very own Manick Street preachers and was surprised to see that you hadn't. Definitely something there regarding Richie's disappearance. Shirley, no worries, if not. I'll still continue to enjoy what you do offer.

Many thanks, my good sir, cheerio and tutel pip. Paul, he really did write Cheerio and Tuttle Pip. Paul, Richie Edwards, disappearance, singer of Manick Street Preachers. I looked into this pretty significantly a bunch of years ago. It was the subject that Payne Lindsay and I were going to cover before we get into the Dead and Gone podcast. And we just could not come up with enough information. There's really not a lot of information out there. So it's a tough subject to cover. But that doesn't stop me in the past. I think we could do one episode for sure. And Paul, we will probably get into that sometime in the near future. Okay. So by the time you catch up, hopefully that'll be sitting in your RSS feed. Thanks, Paul. At Disgraceland Pod on Facebook, X,

and on Twitter, you guys want to get at me about. any subject, that's where you can do it. It can be anything music related. It can be anything podcast related. It can be anything related to the books that we discuss here. It can be anything related to the sports that we sometimes very seldomly discuss in these little 30 second sports rants that I've been doing. And I have to just say here to all my pirates fans out there, I feel you. I feel like we're becoming one of you as Boston fans. We are melding. I say that because the Red Sox, it's not even June and the Red Sox are dead. We need to lay the Red Sox out, lay them out down to McNally's funeral home,

head over to the old timers for a shot of Jameson, a pine of Guinness, because the Red Sox are dead as a doorknail. They're what, two, three games under 500 at this point, seven-ish games out of first in a not-so-great division. It's time for me, I think, to put my Mets hat on and hope for a subway series in October and come at the Yankees that way.

This is embarrassing. They shouldn't be this bad, the Red Sox. They should not be this. bad. I don't care the Bregman's hurt. I don't care the castes is hurt. They have the horses. They're not playing them. And the ones they are playing are sucking. There, I don't know what's up. It's just management, coaching, playing. It's everything. It's fucking awful. Okay. I can't stand it. I can't stand that we have a payroll as high as we have and we are not in contention. I can't stand that we have an iconic team, an iconic ballpark, the best fans in sports, and we are out of contention. It's not. It's not. It's not. acceptable. I'll be back in a flash with your emails in the Hollywoodland minute. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of the

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The illusion that it was all real was part of it. And so was the way a group of wrestlers would burn storm a region for a few weeks before moving on. A wrestler couldn't be seen at the diner with the guy who was going to knock the shit out of that night. The good guy, aka the face, didn't pal around with the bad guy, aka the heel. For Peter Maivia, it was more than that. Guys in the business had problems. drinking, drugs, violence. He was no saint himself.

Normal folks didn't get into wrestling. So there weren't many wrestlers that were normal, therefore there weren't many wrestlers that Peter Mivea wanted to hang around with. And there certainly weren't many he wanted hanging around his daughter. So when Rocky Johnson started flirting with Peter Mivea's daughter, Peter did his best to shut it down.

Unfortunately, this match was scripted. They fell in love and ran off to get married without Mivea's blessing. Two years later, in time to meet his grandson, little Dwayne, Peter Maivia admitted defeat. His daughter had married a wrestler. All right, guys, make sure you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Next week, we've got an episode on Fatty Arabuckle, one of the biggest scandals and trials in Hollywood history, the crime of the century before O.J. Simpson, before Sean Diddy Combs. Sean Diddy Combs, why are you handing out XC shaped like Barack Obama?

What's up with that? Disgraceland Pod at gmail.com. You want to get at me in the email format? I unleashed a dragon last week when I brought up fish. The fish fans are real. The fish fans are plentiful. And the fish fans are full-throated. Now, there will be a fish episode.

And I will bring love and intention to the creation of that episode. And it will come within this calendar year. Fish fans, I have heard you see. speak, I have heard you roar. This email comes from Lacey McNary, and I'm reading it because it is just apropos of what we're doing right now. Subject, Fish, message, hey Jake, it's Lacey from the 502. Just heard your bonus episode where you talked about fish and how you love the who. You may be interested to know that Fish covered the whole Quadrophina album at their Halloween show in Chicago back of the day. I was there and I had a blast. Here's a link. Lacey, appreciate the email. I did not

know that. And I believe I said that I, you know, I love the Who now. It was a long road getting to love the Who. I didn't grow up loving the Who like I didn't grow up loving the fish. And I like that the fish, I'm going to call them the fish from now on, I hope you don't mind. I like that the fish covered quadrophenia. I think that's an incredible achievement. And I'd actually be interested in seeing what that looks like. So perhaps I'll watch it, appreciate it. And maybe that'll end up in the episode. The episode on Fish, excuse me, on The Fish that we are going to produce. It's way more criminal than I could have hoped for.

I'm pretty stoked about it. And I say all this because we just, and I read this email in particular because just yesterday, I recorded a new episode on the Who on the riverfront called Seam Tragedy from the early 80s where 11 people died at a Who concert. And it's a pretty harrowing story. And I can't wait for you guys to hear it.

and it's coming up in a couple weeks, so you have that to look forward to. In addition to The Fish, the Fish episode, do I say that right? Okay, reviews, I often get asked, hey, how can I support the show? I'm beating the dead horse when I tell you, because you already know,

leave a review on Apple Podcasts, leave a review on Spotify, let the world know how much you love disgrace land, and that'll help the algorithm feed disgrace land to other potential listeners. And every week, I go on these apps and I pull up your reviews and I read them here, and if you hear yours read, hit me, and I will respond in time,

and I will get in touch, and I'll get you some free merch, okay? Only for the reviews that I read here. I read two a week, one on Apple, one on Spotify. This one from C. Jove on Apple Podcast five stars, title, Jake Never Misses. I've been listening since 2020, and I enjoy every episode, even once, which I do not care for the artist, just finished the David Crosby episode. I never cared for his music until after he passed away. I took a deep dive into his catalog, and I really enjoyed it.

and man truly was an outlawed musician who made great music. My only complaint about the show is that I usually listen during my long work commute, and I often think that the sirens and the screeching tires and the episodes are real. Just kidding. Keep up the good work. Now, thank you so much, see, Jove. You all might be going to yourself, saying yourself right now, what David Crosby episode?

What were you talking about? There's no David Crosby episode of disgracing. You're looking at your Apple podcast feed right now, your Spotify feed, your whatever feed. You don't see David Crosby in there. And the reason you don't is because the David Crosby episode is only available to our exclusive all access members of disgrace land where every month they get a extra episode. Okay. C. Jove is talking about that extra episode on David Crosby from Crosby, Stills, Nash, and whoever the fuck, as a wise man once called them. And the reason that we covered David Crosby is because his story is insane.

It's nuts. This guy was off the fucking rails in the worst way. Anyhow, you want to hear that episode, you've got to become a member. It's only five bucks a month that you can do so at disgracelandpod.com slash membership. Get that cross-action like Melissa Etheridge. All right. But for much cheaper.

Okay. This episode is coming to an end, but not for All-Axcess members. The All-Access members I just mentioned, they also. get a little bit more of the bonus episodes too. And they get ad free listening. Go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership to become a member for just $5. All right, we are back. Everybody going to get out of here in a minute.

I want to talk about some episodes that we mentioned here, some subjects, some artists that we mentioned here that we have episodes in the vault in the archive. That's Taylor Swift. We brought up Taylor Swift. And we have a two-part episode on Britney Spears, who we talked about a little bit here. We did not, we don't have an episode on the Supremes. We do have a Motown episode. And of course, you can't talk about Motown without talking about the Supremes.

TLC came up, TLC. We've got a TLC episode in the archive. And Shania Twain, did I talk about Shania Twain? I don't know that I talked about Shania Twain. But we do have an ACDC episode. Now, how is Shania Twain related to ACDC? Well, Mutt Lang was married to Shania Twain. And Mutt Lang produced those massive Shania Twain records.

He also produced Back in Black, amongst other massive death leper, just huge. ACDC episode, check that out. Def Leppard will get to at some point. But not before we get out of here, unfortunately. Got a recap right now. Number one, my other podcast, Hollywoodland, is alive and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you're subscribed and following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever

you get your podcast. And check out our recent episode on Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Number two, right now your disgrace land feed has a brand new Go-Go's episode. You know all about that because we spent the first half of this episode talking about it. Number three, coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on Madonna and next Tuesday, our brand new episode on Marilyn Manson, number four, merch winners, get in touch, you know who you are. Number five, remember though, that no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace.

All right, in honor this week's subject, the Go-Go's, this is me reading you, the billboard charts of number one songs from the day that the Go-Go's debut album went to number one on March 6, 1982. Number one, centerfold, the Jay Giles Band. Last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 18. Number two, open arms, journey. Last week, two, peak position, two. Weeks on chart, eight. Number three, I love rock and roll, Joan Jett and the Black Hearts. Last week, nine, people. Peak position. Three. Weeks on churn.

Five. Number four. Shake it up. The cars. Last week, four. Peak position. Four. Weeks on churn.

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Do that. David O'Yello. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Dennis Leary, Gaten Moderato from Stranger Things, Tena Monjou, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. at your podcasts. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was.

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