DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: JFK, Watergate, and More From Seattle

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

This week in the After Party, Jake shares his thoughts on the recent release of formerly classified JFK files and how they relate to Watergate and this week's episode on Bob Dylan.Next week, we're bringing you a story on Billy Idol, and we want to know: who is the most debaucherous rock star ever? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 64 - PigpenEpisode 85 - PanteraEpisode 86 - Tommy JamesEpisode 108 & 109 - Sex PistolsTo hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter)  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode.

A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Discraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject, Bob Dylan. We also get into Oliver Stone and Val Kilmer's Jim Morrison for a wee bit, as well as a bit of a deeper dive into our Hollywoodland spin-off series. And we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, this goes, let's get into it.

All right, this week's after party is going to be a little bit different. we had a massive news day yesterday, which as I write this, when I say yesterday, I mean Tuesday, a ton of music news and a ton of news news news. I know a lot of you watched the congressional hearing with Oliver Stone and Jefferson Morley on the JFK files. And I know a lot of you are catching up and having yet finished this week's full episode of disgrace land, our part two episode on Bob Dylan, which directly relates to those JFK hearings on Capitol Hill this week. So, if any of you have not heard part two, have not yet heard Bob Dylan part two, not part one, part two of our Bob Dylan's story. I'm going to give you this moment here to fast forward this here after party bonus episode about

10 minutes or so. Go past the first ad break and just start listening from that point on or past the first musical interlude if you're ad free because there will be spoilers. And I'm going to get into spoilers right now. Okay. The spoilers are coming in the next few seconds. So again, if you haven't yet heard part two of the Bob Dylan episode, now is your chance to fast forward past the spoilers. Okay. So for the rest of you who heard this episode, thank you for taking this ride with us.

Thanks for the texts. Thanks for the voicemails. Thanks for the comments on social. If you commented and then didn't see your comment or saw your comment get deleted, I deleted them because I'm trying to preserve the gag here for the rest of the listeners. We haven't done one of these types of episodes

in five years, okay? 2020 was the last one, and I got you good that time, and I got you in 2019 as well. But I needed to take a couple years off because I needed to lull you guys into an unsuspecting content trance before I could come back at you with an episode like this part two,

Bob Dylan episode. Okay, on this episode, it's different than the last two that we did, the one with Jim and the one with John. This one had far less historical fiction, like almost none and way more historical fact, which is the main ingredient really when trying to make these episodes work. In this Dylan episode, part two, like I said at the end of it, nearly everything is true. Nearly all of those outrageous facts are true. Bob Dylan did indeed

say that crazy shit about Lee Harvey Oswald basically supporting who was thought to be JFK's killer two weeks after JFK was murdered. Dylan gave the impression. He indeed gave the impression that he was for the Vietnam War in an interview with Sing Out magazine in the, I believe that was the late 60s, early 70s. And Dylan did beat the piss out of that reporter as depicted in our episode. Dylan did stay at the Watergate Hotel. Dylan's FBI file, or a page from his file anyway, was read verbatim in my episode. That's from the actual Dylan FBI file. And that was the first file I read. the other two that I read in the episode, I made those up for the purposes of the story. Dylan wrote that note to the INS for John and Yoko.

That's true. You can look up the note. The 55 Families bit, that was true as well. Again, look at the book, The Political World of Bob Dylan for that story with the mysterious Illuminati like aristocrat from the 55 families who ended up playing Bob and Bill Graham. Even the bit about me working for Carl Bernstein and how my boss chose to use me to thwart Carl's stupidity. all true, all true, okay? What wasn't true. Now, that's a little bit different. Not as much. Not as much on the not true vine. But Andy, the answer was an invention. I made that up to help set up

the part where Bob unknowingly becomes the ruse that Andy exploits to get into Becca's office. Becca was made up as well. Aside from that, there's not much that I made up. And that's the beauty of these satirical episodes. And again, there's only been three in the entire history. of disgrace land. But as for some historical fiction here, okay, I can't say if the following two supposed conspiracy theories are true or not, but they haven't been proven false. They haven't proven true either. One way or another, they haven't been proven. But the Watergate prostitution ring is a real theory. It was a real conspiracy peddled by G. Gordon Liddy, and it was litigated in court in the early 1980s, I believe. And as far as I can tell, there's no actual evidence that supports the

idea that there was, in fact, a prostitution ring run out of the Watergate Hotel in the early 1970s. So on that one, false. Now, the second so-called conspiracy theory, the idea that Richard Nixon did not orchestrate Watergate, but was instead set up by the CIA to make it look like he orchestrated Watergate, or rather set up by the CIA to orchestrate Watergate so that the CIA would then have a way to peacefully dispose of him. When I first heard this theory a year ago, I gave it no credence up. But now, seriously, after all the dirty shit detailed in the JFK files about the CIA

and about all the lies they've been caught in in the last few weeks and all the ways in which CIA members perjured themselves relative to their testimony on the JFK assassination, I'd say that I'm 50-50 on this Nixon thing and whether or not he was set up by the CIA on this theory. I mean, there's tape. for God's sakes. I played you the tape in the episode. That's real. Now, whether or not the theory is real, I'm not saying one way or another. All I'm saying is that it's not entirely unlikely, given all we know. But it all goes back to Watergate, the place, not the scandal. It was that information about Bob Dylan

staying at the Watergate Hotel that got me thinking about this entire idea. That in the 55 family saying that I read in that book about Bob's politics. The larger point I was trying to make in this episode and a point that I think Bob Dylan would support is that politics are evil and the media is just as corrupt as our government. In that first FBI memo on Bob Dylan that I read to you in the episode, the special agent in charge, and again, this is a real memo,

the special agent in charge recommends that the Bureau call upon its contacts in media to get the word out on Dylan, to basically frame Bob Dylan as anti-American. We've talked about Operation Mockingbird here before. that's the CIA's effort to co-opt and control over 600 journalists at major news outlets in the 1960s and 70s. Nothing has changed. Nothing.

Just this morning. Okay, I'm putting this episode together on Wednesday, April 2nd. Just this morning, in the wake of Tuesday, April 1st, JFK files congressional hearing, the congressional hearing on the JFK assassination that was held on Capitol Hill just this morning, CBS and ABC News are not only miscategorizing Jefferson Morley's testimony on Capitol Hill relative to the JFK files, they're outright lying about his past. And he's calling for an immediate retraction as he should be, and I hope he even sues them. Now, why would CBS and ABC in the year 2025 move so quickly to discredit a man who has done more fact-based research on the JFK assassination, Jefferson Morley?

than any other living journalist, a man who has never once uttered a word of conspiracy, a man who, if you follow him, it's obvious that his statements, his writing, his opinions, are entirely fact-based. What incentive would CBS or ABC have in discrediting this man? Well, I'll tell you what that incentive is. It's because he came out yesterday in public, on record, on Capitol Hill, at the risk of perjuring himself, and said what we have all known to be true for decades that the evidence in no way supports the so-called fact that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. The CIA cannot have this out there because the truth is very dark. If Oswald didn't do it, who did? Okay. I have thoughts on that and I think these files are going to bear them out.

We're going to talk about that more in the coming weeks here and there. Not going to make a big deal out of it. It's going to take a while for all this to get pieced together. But again, why would ABC and CBS come out so quickly to try to discredit this man. It's because the media still does the bidding of their handlers in the CIA and in the FBI. Nothing has changed nothing. All right. Anyway, I hope you dug this episode and I hope you're not too pissed at me for taking you on this hour plus ride. This is the longest episode of disgrace. I believe that we've ever done. Matt Bowden is still pissed off at me for making him mix it though. I don't blame him. It was long, but Matt killed it because the sound design came out great. Anyway, Matt, no more hour-long episodes, I promise.

All right, coming up, on Friday, we are revisiting another giant from music history, the hardest working man in show business, James Brown, ladies and gentlemen, James Brown in our rewind slot on Friday. That's tomorrow. I've got a James Brown part two that I'm thinking about based on this theory that he was murdered. I haven't done a lot of research on it, but just top line. It's pretty interesting and there's a lot there. But that's not for a while, if at all. Then next week on Tuesday, we have a new episode on Billy Idol and holy debauchery Batman. This one's going to leave a mark. When you're listening to this episode and waiting through all the sex drugs and rock and roll,

be thinking about Billy Idol and his debauchery and thinking about which rock star was the most debauchous. Was it Billy Idol, as we're going to explain, or was it someone else? Which artist's stories of excess are so bad, so gross, so over the top that they deserve the crown over Billy Idol? That's going to be the question of the week. Next week, 617-906-66-6-6-36-3-8, leave me a voicemail or a text. I'm going to be back in a flash with your voicemails and texts and DMs

on this week's question of the week. All right, we are back, and just a quick reminder to make sure you Apple podcast listeners have auto-down loads turned on so you're not missing any episodes. All right, 617-906, 6-6-3638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth.

It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone if you want to send me a voicemail or a text. I like that. I like that hanging on a telephone bit. Anyway, I'm going to leave the Dylan voicemails and the Dylan text to next week, as there are a bunch of you who still haven't heard this episode,

and I'd like to have a complete conversation, a complete discussion, if you will, on this story with as many of you as possible, but have no fear, because a ton of you hit me up to continue our conversation from last week on grunge, on Seattle, on Alice and Chains, et cetera. Let's hear from the 7-40.

Hey, Jake, just listen to your grunge top 10. Really glad to hear Bad Motor Finger at number one. Oh, I should have mentioned. and I'm Grayson and the 740. I'm also pretty pumped to hear you talking about Dinosaur Jr., Lemonheads, Pixies, definitely three of my favorite bands ever. And I agree, none of them should really fall into grunge.

Maybe early Lemonheads. Dinosaurs Jr., yeah, that was just too early. I mean, if we're talking about late 80s, early 90s as the start of Grunge, they're just a little early for that. also don't mind having a couple Nirvana's and a couple Sound Gardens in that top ten singles like you said

just absolutely killer album even the bad let's that one cover but phenomenal smashing pumpkins song on there drown birth ritual sound garden amazing

probably got a lot more to say but I'll leave it at that man love the episode Peace. Grayson, we have very similar tastes, and I appreciate the backup on my Lemonheads, Dinosaur, and Pixies take. Grayson, not sure if you saw, but Billy Corgan is hitting the road, not in support of Siamese dream, but to play melancholy in the infinite sadness. Wondering what you think about all that. Hit me back. Let me know, Grayson.

Let's, Matt, let's check out the 270. Hey, Jake. I left a message earlier about Mark Lanigan, 270. I'm new to this calling thing. I've listened to, calling you, that is. I've listened to your show for years now, every episode, I promise. 270 is Bowling Green, Kentucky. I actually live in Nashville.

So sharing information because you share so much with me and us. Mark Lannigan, my recommendation is listen to Bubblegum, the album in its entirety. You can't go wrong with this catalog. all. Listen to that. He was on one then. Great album, loose concept album. And then his work as the gutter twins with Greg Dooley. But once again, you can't go wrong. Listen or read, I would say listen because he narrates the book. Seem backwards and Weep. A book came out a few years ago, a couple years ironically before his untimely death. Once again, Mark Lanigan, for me, it's not even close.

True badass. Just like those outlaw country guys, he was a true badass. Thank you, man. Thank you so much for your content and your show. I love it. See you. All right, I appreciate the Lanigan recommendations. And this is not the first time Greg Dooley has come up.

And I haven't commented on Greg Dooley. Duley, he's incredible. He's incredible gentleman by Afghan wigs. If you guys don't know that record, I'm going to listen to that today. If you don't know that record, oh, man, you're in for it. Put that on today. It's so damn good. Duley's collaboration with Lannigan is another reason that I should get into the Mark Lannigan story. And yes, 270. Total Outlaw. I wonder if Bob Dylan would agree. I think you would. That outlaw spirit is the theme of our recent episode on Bob Dylan, and I see a correlation between Bob and Lanigan. I wonder if you do.

All right, listen, in last week's After Party, we went through a list from Goldmine Magazine, the top 10 grunge albums of all time. And, you know, I gave my thoughts on that list, and then I provided my own list. And one, I think it was in the number 10 spot, was the single soundtrack, which I anticipated would get me some shit from you guys.

We got this text here from the 304. 304 writes and hey thank you for shouting out the singles soundtrack i wouldn't make it my number one but it is a good one but you saying that makes me feel better about claiming some of my more questionable choices well 304 i want those questionable choices you can't leave me hanging like that come on hit me back and i'm happy to hear that you agree with my singles take i didn't have number one by the way i had him number 10 okay 765 writes in hey jake it's amanda from the 765 and i just wanted to thank you for the george michael episode i love george michael and not in a fan girl type of way i was convinced he was gay long before came out, well, we all were, and it didn't matter at all to me. His music spoke to me. I didn't really care for the wham stuff. I was much more impressed by his later stuff, his deeper stuff, the amount of emotion he conjured with that incredible voice gave me chills every time.

I chose him to do a presentation on for my world music class in college. And I learned something new from this episode also. I didn't realize he had a GHB addiction. I knew he did drugs, but I thought he had gotten clean. And it really broke my heart when he died. I mourn the loss of the amazing music yet to come. And I mourn the loss of the amazing music yet to come. I was also hoping he would meet someone else who would make him as happy as in Salmo did. Another quick note on the grunge topic. I've always been a fan of songs rather than albums. A lot of times, I won't even know who performs them, but I know I love Man in the Box and Spoon. Man, I grew up with radio. And if it wasn't on the radio, I probably haven't heard it.

Thanks again for doing such a great job. I've listened to all of the podcast you've done now. Thank you so much, 765. For those of you who don't know, we got a George Michael episode. A couple episodes back in the feed, as you can hear from the 765. It's a banger. Check that out. 765. I appreciate you calling in with your thoughts on George Michael texting in, I should say, and on Man in the Box and Spoon Man. I think both those songs are completely emblematic of the grunge scene in the early 90s.

You couldn't escape those songs. I believe Man in the Box might have been 89 or 90. Not sure. I should know though. 214, text in, hey, Jake, this is Austin from the 214. I've been a fan from the get-go and finally caught up on disgrace land. You've been asking about our favorite Seattle bands. Earlier this month, I was in Seattle for a ski trip and paid tribute to Kirk Cobain.

As I was able to check out the first venue where Nirvana played at, Central Saloon. It's pretty cool seeing some history attached for some visual imagery. And here we have 214. Austin sent in some amazing photos from what looks to be the Central Saloon. Looks like a small little place. And they get some great ephemera on Nirvana. Soundgarden. I'm sure a whole bunch of other bands played there. I may have even been at the Central Saloon. I've been to a lot of clubs in Seattle long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time ago.

Tored up there with the figs back in the early aughts. And this place looks familiar, 214. Looks very familiar. Maybe I was there. Maybe I didn't know the history when I was there. That would have been a shame. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Appreciate you guys. 617-9066638. You want to hang on the telephone with me, voicemail, and or text. All right, you guys want to hit me up at Disgraced Man Pod on Facebook, on Instagram, on X, have at it. Once again, I'll get into all the Dylan stuff in next week's after party, as more people have had a chance to listen to that episode. I'm recording this here after party a day after Dylan Part 2 is released. Okay, over on Facebook at Discreasing Man pod, Scott Simmons writes in, Lenny Bro.

Lenny, B-R-E-A-U, Scott Simmons says, jazz guitarist, ask Pat Mathini or Tommy Emmanuel about him, and they'll have something to say. One of the greatest tragedies in music. I got to say it, some would say a disgrace. It's not often I get a recommendation from you guys, and I have no idea who the hell you're talking about. And I've never heard of this musician. Matt, maybe you have. I just don't, I've never heard of this guy.

And now I'm super intrigued. I'm going to check this out. Thank you. Scott, appreciate it. Carl Glenn Fulma writes, and, hey, have you ever considered doing an episode about the time that the Jamaican military tried to shoot down Jimmy Buffett's flying boat, as he was trying to land.

It's ironic that he was friends with drug smugglers when he lived in Key West. He was flying a plane that a lot of smugglers like to use. And it seems to me, seems to me, Joe Welsh, seems to me you can have a lot of fun with that. You can talk about this history of drug use

in the way he used to party. I love this idea, Carl. I really, truly do. And I'm kind of fascinated with Florida history at the moment, very outlaw. I'm also kind of fascinated with the Keys, which is part of Florida. but it's really not.

I mean, officially it is, but it's a whole other fucking world. And I am not a Jimmy Buffett fan, but I know people who love the dude. Love, love, love him. And his history sounds pretty amazing. This is not the first message I've received on doing a possible Jimmy Buffett episode.

I know the punk rockers in the audience are rolling their eyes right now. But hey, come on, man. Come on. We did Gigi Allen, for God's sakes. We can throw the parrot heads of bone here. 617-9066638 at Disgraceland Pod, Facebook.

X Instagram. Nearly all the messages on Instagram are relative to Bob Dylan part two. You guys are the best. Thank you for playing along. I appreciate you. I'll get into a bunch of these next week. You too, vet Helen over on X at disgrace land pod guys. You want to hit me up on the socials. We're going to take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash with the Hollywoodland Minute as well as some emails and reviews. Okay, we are back and you know what time it is. It's time for the Hollywood Land Minute brought to you by the Hollywoodland podcast. This is the newest. segment of the after party. You don't know what the Hollywoodland podcast is? Well, the Hollywoodland podcast is hosted by yours truly where every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood

and true crime. And right now, there are over 40 episodes waiting for you to binge. Episodes on James Dean, Jane Fonda, Dennis Hopper, and most recently an episode on John Waters. Here's a clip. It was early on the morning of November 3rd, 1968. Everything was quiet except the sound of a church bell, which told softly in the distance, calling the morally upright to Sunday morning services. On the campus of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, few students heeded the call. Most were still in bed, sleeping off their Saturday nights. The coast was completely clear as a young man in a bathrobe stepped out of the woods and up to the side of the road that wound its way through the campus. 30 yards up the road, John Waters stood behind a camera. He looked

through the viewfinder and adjusted the camera lens one final time. John knew they would have to be quick. They'd likely only get one chance at this shot before they would have to make a run for it. All right, guys, make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Next week, we have an episode coming your way on the recently departed David Lynch and the real-life grisly murder that inspired him to create Twin Peaks. And you are not going to want to miss this, okay?

especially if you're a David Lynch fan. Lynch, of course, made great films in addition to Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive, Eraserhead, Lost Highway, Patricia Arquette. Damn, why are you going to be so hot and lost highway, Patricia Arquette? Anyway, David Lynch in Hollywoodland next week, make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland in Hollywood News. Oliver Stone, relative to what we've been talking about here, was on Capitol Hill yesterday as part of the group of folks who were testifying to the facts behind the JFK assassination. Now, Oliver Stone, in addition to making the great film, JFK, which tipped off a lot of this sort of seeking of truth around this matter. Prior to that, Oliver Stone, I believe it was prior to that. Which came first. The doors are JFK? I could look it up, but I'm not going to. I'm trying to stay focus. Anyways, they're back to back, I believe. And they're both fucking great. The doors is great. I've had my problem with the doors in the past. But, But, you know, it's kind of, I mean, there's a lot about it that's sensational, but I don't care. I love that.

There was a lot about Jim Morrison that was sensational. And I think it's a great music biopic. And again, I've been up and down with this film over the years, but I think where I'm landing with it, where I'm ending with it is I fucking love it. And of course, this brings us to the very sad news that Val Kilmer has passed away. This was announced when I woke up this morning. I heard it. And of course, Val Kilmer, just an incredible actor, a great leading man who probably in a previous

generation of Hollywood would have had a much, a much bigger, more impactful career. Not that he didn't have a big impactful career. He most certainly did. But I feel like in the last few decades of his career, Val veered somewhat away from the leading man path. and he did a lot in support of other filmmakers, other actors. And, you know, one of my favorite Val Kilmer roles, he's not the leading man. It's in heat.

It's his character in heat, who I think is just, I think that character is incredible. I think he plays it incredibly. And it's in support of Al Pacino and really in support of Robert De Niro more than anything else. And he just fucking kills it. I was reading this morning, again, relative to what we're talking about. about here about Val Kilmer's relationship with Bob Dylan. And there's this great, this great story that Val Kimmer tweeted out. And of course, Kilmer did that movie with Bob Dylan, but this story

he depicts us before he does Bob's movie. And what she's called, what was Bob's Maston Anonymous? And that's what it was called. Prior to that, Kilmer is in New York City. And somehow Bob Dylan gets in touch with him and wants to come over to his hotel and like meet with them. And I think they're friends by this point, but they haven't quite worked with each other, but they don't know each other that well. And, and of course, Dylan comes over and he's all mysterious Dylan. And he asked Kilmer to start reciting dialogue from his, from his character's role in Tombstone. And Kilmer says to him, okay, sing me blowing in the wind. And Bob didn't like that at all, apparently. But Kilmer then goes on to create, I guess, like a spoof version of his tombstone quotes set to the lyrics of one of Dylan's songs.

I think it was, it's all right, Mom, only bleeding. And he sent it to Dylan, and they, Dylan dug it. And of course, they become friends. And Val does that role for Bob later, which I just loved. I just loved. Also this morning on Val Kilmer, I want to give Val Kimmer a minute here. I saw this tweet from Jennifer Tilly regarding regarding Kilmer and how he got his role

in Oliver Stones, The Doors. So Jennifer Tilly writes on X. A long time ago, I was auditioning for the movie The Doors. It was kind of a cattle call, and they paired together potential gyms with potential Pamelaus. And they were running behind, so we were spilling out of the casting office

and sitting on the porch and the lawn and the driveway. All of a sudden, a 60s' convertible came screeching up, blaring doors music at top volume. And a guy jumped out and strode inside. He had wild hair and he was barefoot, shirtless, and wearing nothing but a pair of tight leather pants. We all looked at each other like, who is this guy? And we were more than a little shook by the sheer audacity of his entrance. Well, of course, it was Val Kilmer. And from that minute on, nobody else stood a chance. Rest in peace, King. I love that. And I love, I love how seriously Val Kilmer took getting that role because nobody could have played that role as well as Val Kilmer did.

He fucking destroyed. He killed it. Killed it. For a huge part of my late teen years in my early adulthood. I couldn't even think of Jim Morrison without thinking of Val Kilmer. That's how good Val Kilmer is in that role. And Val Kilmer was, of course, great in a ton of different roles. And I'll be looking for some of his films tonight and this week and this weekend, as I know you guys will as well. Maybe we'll even do a Doors Val Kilmer episode of Hollywoodland at some point. Rest and peace, Val Kilmer. And thank you Oliver Stone for all the great work you've done over the years. All right. It's that time of the show where we get into your reviews of Disgraceland of Hollywood land. Maybe. Maybe I'll do some Hollywood land ones here. I'm not sure. You guys know the drill reviews help with discovery of the show. They feed the algorithm. Your activity feeds the algo. All right. We need the reviews to keep this show growing. You guys read a review. And I, you know, if I pick your review and I read it here, and you get in touch with me, then we'll get some merch out to you. And I know we're a little overdue here to get some merch out. It's been about a month since the last mailing. We'll get into that this week, next week. If you haven't heard from me, haven't heard back from me, have no feel.

I shall get in touch. This review comes from Pat O on Spotify saying, hey, digging your reference to Goodfellas at the intro. I've been listening to your podcast for quite a few years now. Keep up the good work. You got it. And that Snoop episode was our last rewind episode. That episode went freaking gangbusters in the archive. A lot of people listen to it, which proves my theory that new listeners have no idea about some of the episodes we've covered in the past. Thus, the rewind episodes are. on Friday. And they're perfect for re-listening. So get in there. Got James Brown coming your way tomorrow in the rewind slot. Get into that archive, guys. You're not going to be disappointed. I promise you. Over on Apple podcast, Cindy Who writes in, really? Question mark, exclamation point, one star, one out of five stars. I would turn that around, Cindy who, and to you say, really? One star? Are you fucking kidding me. Cindy goes on to say, none of the stories are finished and she leaves a mean face emoji. Cindy, Cindy, thank you for calling tech support. I appreciate it. I'm going to encourage you to restart your app. Just close the Apple Podcast app and restart it because I don't know what the

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I want to read this email from Johnny Vinyl, who's been a big part of the show lately. Johnny, appreciate you. Johnny is a huge, huge Seattle music fan, huge grunge fan, huge just fan of classic rock. And he has just this good taste. And I followed his account on Instagram for a while. And I like what he writes me because he's usually got something good to say. And he emails in.

He called too. But I'm going to read the email here because it's done really well. He writes saying, hey, Jake, after listening to around 100 podcasts and after parties now, I'm inspired to share my thoughts. First of all, Johnny, what the fuck? We've got over 225 full episodes. of disgrace. So come on, man. Get in here, dude. Anyways, Johnny goes on. I'm inspired to share my thoughts, opinions, ideas with you to either your pleasure or boredom. This is a message of me

firing off various topics that will come off as insane, one-sided banter or thoughtful and inspiring topics worth discussion. Johnny goes on, the reason I'm reading this email, Johnny goes on to give us his top 10 list of so-called grunge albums. In the 10 spot like me, Johnny has singles. Siamese dream. Number eight, dirt. That's Allison Chains. Number seven, super unknown. Six, super fuss, big muff, five, bleach, four, bad motor finger. Three, ten, two, facelift. One, never mind. Great list, Johnny. I like that you have bad motor finger above super unknown. I appreciate that. Johnny also goes on to talk a lot about some of his favorite classic rock and some of his favorite directors. And he mentions here that outside of rock, I'm a huge Miles Davis fan.

And huge, I love it all. As a vocalist, I find Miles's trumpet to be a voice. And I think you're spot on there as well, Johnny. So appreciate the email. Guys, disgrace,empot at gmail.com. You want to get in touch. This episode is nearing its end, but over in the bonus section of this episode,

which is coming up just after this. And you can hear the bonus part of this episode. I'm going to get into my recommendations here. I'm going to talk a little bit about what I'm listening to this week and more excitedly what I'm watching. I'm watching two fantastic shows on TV. I'm really, really inspired. Still watching Kenny Powers.

I'm about to land that plane. But there's two other newest shows that I'm absolutely adoring at the moment. I'm going to talk about both of them, and you guys can hear that just so long as you become a member, an all-access member of Disgraceland. And that's very easy to do.

You just go to disgracelandpod.com and you sign up. It's five bucks a month. You get the bonus section of the after party. you get the extra exclusive episode of disgrace land once a month. We just released an episode on Slipknot that came out last week. That is there for you.

You guys want to sign up. Come on and get some. Get that Slipknot episode. Next month, we get an episode on David Crosby, which is fucked up. I got to tell you, Crosby was an animal. Crosby might be my answer to next week's question of the week on who is more debauchous than Billy Idol. It might be David Crosby.

That guy. Damn. Well, we're going to get into all of that. But the only way you're going to be able to hear it is if you become a member. And that's just five bucks a month. Now you also get ad-free listening of disgrace land. All disgrace land episodes, not just the exclusive episode. All of them, ad-free.

And listen, we're selling ads lately, guys. We teamed up with our partners over at Odyssey, and they're selling the shit out of the show. So there's lots of ads. You might hate the ads. But I got to tell you, I got to pay people. I got to pay myself. I got to produce this awesome content.

It's not free to do. It costs money. But listen, if you're annoyed with the ads, I get it. There's a way around it. Five bucks a month. You're going to get that ad-free listening on every episode. You're going to get that exclusive episode as well. And you're going to get the bonus section of the after party.

Just go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership. All right, guys, we are back. And listen, I'm about to get out of here before I do. I cherry-picked some episodes from our archive for you guys. And I'm doing this because the Snoop Dog Archive episode, came out last week and it did gangbusters in terms of downloads lots of listens this episode came out in 2019 okay and it's getting it's just getting massive new exposure so i love it i love it i love it i love it and i thought um you know we can only release one archive episode a week i should probably uh do a better

job of bringing to light some of these other episodes that are in the archive i know there's a lot of deadheads who listen to the show. And I know that the Grateful Dead episode of disgrace sand has been talked about a lot, but there's a second episode, an episode on Pigpen, an episode on the Grateful Dead's Pig Pen, which really gets in, I kind of treated it as Grateful Dead origin story. It's really kind of like, it's about their come up. It centers around Pigpen, of course, but it's about all the great weird, strange weird Americana that they were into. And I think you're going to dig it. There's also from, you know, all this great sort of crime, true crime, not true crime, crime fiction that I've been absorbing lately and talking

about, I was just talking about a crime show in the bonus section of this after party, got me thinking about the Pantera episode of Disgraceland, which is one of my favorites. And of course, you know, I'm a sucker for a good mob story. I'm actually looking forward, by the way, side note to watching that new Robert De Niro movie where he plays two roles simultaneously opposite one another. I can't think of the name of the film, but it got fucking panned when it came out last week. But I watched the trailer and I'm into it.

And it's a mob story. But anyways, mob stories from disgrace land, the Tommy James episode, Tommy James. Okay? Also, this has relevance with Billy Idol coming up next week. Moni, mooney, okay? Get into that. And you know, I'm mentioning Billy Idol here.

Billy Idol makes me think of the sex pistols because Billy Idol, Generation X, from back in London, back in the day, back part of that first, first generation of UK punk, Billy Idol's band Generation X, and we talk a lot about the Sid Vicious episode of disgrace in, but there are two episodes on the sex pistols that are waiting for you in the archive.

Matt will have all the information on these episodes in the show notes. If you want an easy guide to finding them in our massive archive, check the show notes, he'll have that info there. All right, let's recap. Shall we, number one, my other podcast, Hollywoodland, is live and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you are subscribed and following Hollywood land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast.

Number two, our part two episode on Bob Dylan. Number three coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on James Brown. Number four, merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember no one cares about preserving the true spirit or rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's subject, Bob Dylan, this is me reading you, the phone book

from June 17, 1972. the day of the Watergate break in. Why Watergate and Bob Dylan? Well, you have to listen to Part 2 of the Bob Dylan story. Find out. All right. Here we go. Number one, the Candyman,

Sammy Davis Jr. and the Mike Kerb congregation. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 15. Number two, I'll take you there. The staple singers. Last week.

Two. Peak position. One. Weeks on chart. 11. Number three, song, sun, blue. Neil Diamond, last week, four, peak position, three, weeks on charm, seven. Number five, nice to be with you, gallery, last week, six, peak position, five, weeks on charm, 17.

Number six, out of space, Billy Preston, last week, nine, peak position, six, weeks on chart, nine. Number seven, travel night, can't be. And start mixing! Cut it!