DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Madonna, The Rolling Stones, and a Critical Double Standard

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

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Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's subject of the disgrace and full episode, Lana Del Rey. We're also talking about rock critics and female artists, college rock from the 1980s, and

of course, we're diving into your voicemails, texts, and more. and as always a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. I made it through the wilderness. Somehow I made it through. Didn't know how lost I was until I found you. I was beat, incomplete, I've been had, I was sad and blue,

but you made me feel, yeah, you made me feel shiny and new, like a virgin. When I'm watching my TV And a man comes on and tells me How white my shirts can be But he can't be a man because he doesn't smoke The same cigarettes as me I can't get no

Oh no no no Hey hey hey That's what I say I can't get no Satisfaction Those are of course the lyrics to Madonna's Like a Virgin released on November 12th 1984

And the Rolling Stones I Can't Get No Satisfaction released 19 years earlier in 1965. In the early to mid-60s and throughout their career, really, the Rolling Stones had their fair share of detractors, of course. But by the early to mid-80s, the rock press had mostly coalesced behind the, well, they were kind of aging rock stars by that point. And the press were mostly concerned not with the Stone's music, which in 1984 was mostly spectacularly bad,

with very few exceptions. Critics are more concerned at the time with the bickering between Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. In 1984, Like a Virgin was the lead single off of the album of the same name by Madonna. It was Madonna's second album, the follow-up to herself titled album from the year prior, an album that sold 5 million copies.

Like a Virgin would go on to double that, and then some. It was a smash right out of the gate. But back to the lyrics of Like a Virgin and satisfaction. touched for the very first time like a virgin when your heart beats next to mine. And I'm trying to make some girl who tells me baby better come back maybe next week because you see I'm on a losing streak. At face value, those two sets of lyrics, if you're objectifying them completely,

if you're separating them from their musical accompaniment, from their cultural significance, from their historical context, from everything, if you're just looking at the words, if you're just considering the poetry of those words, if you're just looking at the lyrics on a piece of paper, those two sets of lyrics do not appear to be that different from one another. Sure, we can't really do that. Okay, we have all that context and knowledge to fuck up this experiment, but imagine for a minute that you're an alien

and you just landed in Cleveland, Ohio, and walked into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and emerged with these two sets of lyrics on two separate pieces of paper. you aren't going to be judging these lyrics all that differently. It's just pop music. One lyric talks about being a virgin. The other talks about being frustrated because you can't sleep with a woman who's on her period or whatever. They're different, sure, but they're a lot alike.

They're risque, but they're kind of tongue and cheek at the same time. Okay? They're knowing they're immature. They're pop music. I don't know how else to say it. yet Madonna's lyrics were critically savaged, as was her singing. Most of the critical acclaim that, like a virgin, did receive back in the day, was heaped upon the song in the album's male producer, Nal Rogers, of Sheik.

Not that he didn't deserve praise, he did, but the vibe of the criticism back then, when we look back at it now, it sure looks like, yeah, Madonna, just a dumb pop sex symbol chick who got lucky with some major pop hit action provided by the adult in the room, or the man in the room. Rogers, the simplicity and overt sexuality of like a virgin that Madonna gets criticized for. Those are the same qualities we've been celebrating about Mick Jagger for years. The two pop stars are a generation apart, but I don't think they're all that different,

and I don't think that the aliens are going to think so either. But the critics, the critics almost always get it wrong in my estimation, especially when it comes to women in rock and roll and in pop music, okay? the go-go's wrote and recorded some of the greatest pop songs of the 1980s. You had a large portion of the reviews about the band from the time, boiled down to the fact that, yeah, they're pretty good band for a bunch of chicks. You know, Poison Ivy of the Cramps. Okay, she should be on any self-respecting music critics list of influential guitar players of all time,

yet seldom is. Meg White, Jack White's inigmatic sister slash wife was regarded with a wink in a nod as basically being lucky to have fumbled into the gig alongside her talented brother slash husband or whatever role Jack White played. But take Meg White's wild and yes, sometimes inconsistent drumming out of the white stripes and what do you do? Replace her with someone like Taylor Hawkins or some of this. That's a better band to you.

Okay? Not that Taylor Hawkins isn't a great drummer. He was, of course. But the foo fighters are their own thing. And the white stripes are their own thing. And Meg White contributed to what the white stripes ended up being to that charm. Same thing with Poison Ivy. The cramps are a singular band in rock and roll.

You know how hard that is to do? to be a singular band in the history of rock and roll, the cramps applied so much of their own authenticity, mainly at the maniacal direction, creative direction of Poison Ivy. They were so authentic to adhering to their own strict definition of what glorious rock and roll music was that they invented an entire subgenre by accident in the process of doing so, Psychobilly.

And that's Poison Ivy. The go-goes are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Put what we get the beat on and tell me you're not in a 1980s mall. Their influence, the go-go's influence on American culture, it has singed all of us of a certain age. And Madonna, Madonna's one of the greatest to ever do it, ever. And the critical treatment of her was kind of ridiculous. Oh, her lyrics are juvenile.

I get it. I get it. I can't get no satisfaction. Okay, what's that? Socrates, Plato. And Madonna isn't a great singer. Joe Strummer wasn't a great singer. Okay?

Madonna, like Joe Strummer, like the go-goes, like Poison Ivy, like Meg White, like McJagger, was pure expression like Lana Del Rey, another woman who has, in my opinion, been unfairly treated by the critics, but for different reasons, as you can hear about in this week's full episode that we just released. I don't like railing at music critics. They're easy targets, especially ones from previous generations. You know, are there even modern-day music critics? I don't know. there certainly isn't any music criticism anymore, not like there was in the 70s, 80s, the 90s, and even the early odds. Music critics have universally almost zero cultural significance these days.

So it feels like I'm ranting and battling against an opponent who's already lost, already lost the war. The issue of why music critics no longer have any significance is a fascinating one, but that's for another time. The issue of why women, Lana Del Rey, in particular, have been held to different standards is today's topic, one that we're going to get into with your voicemails, text, and DMs in just a moment. but I want to talk briefly about next week's episode. Okay? Next week, it's a special week, guys.

Okay? My family and I, we look forward to this every summer. I mean, my whole family, right? My mom and dad and my sisters and my brothers-in-law, and then my mother-in-law, my father-in-law, my other brother-in-law, my other sister-in-law, and if you're like us, if you were an American family, you are probably feeling the same way we are right now in anticipation of next week. It is a big

week. It is the start of the 2024-25 NFL football season. Okay. Now, now, hold up, hold up. Before any of you hear the topic of sports, leave my lips and start to get disinterested, I want to tell you, we have a very special episode coming up next week. And it's a true disgrace land episode, even though it is not about music. It is not about entertainers. It is about the criminal origins of the national Football League, and it is not an episode that you're going to want to miss. This episode, even though, like I said, there are no musicians, there are no Hollywood stars, it is pure disgrace land. Actually, Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci briefly show up in this episode, but regardless, this episode is dark, twisted, and filled with true crime and filled with history that I frankly

did not know existed up until I started researching this a couple months ago. And it blew me away to learn about the criminality and vice that the NFL spawned from. Criminality led to open corruption, led to murder, even the likely murder of an NFL owner in 1979. So not like ancient history, guys. So as we're all getting our fantasy teams together, as we're all getting our bets in with a fan duel or, you know, whatever, if you guys still use a bookie, whatever, as we're getting all this together, we're getting psyched. We're going to be getting the meals together for Sunday, for Monday, for Thursday. It's all happening.

We're all settling into the fall as we move from the summer into the football season. and football starts to unite us all together, I'm going to show up and I'm going to tell you all about the bad, bad, bad shit that was part of the NFL back in the day. And it is bad, okay? We all know about the recent NFL crimes, OJ Simpson, Mike Vic, Aaron Hernandez. So we shouldn't be surprised based on how the NFL was founded and based on who the people were who founded the league

and what they were up to and who they're hanging around with and what happened because of all that. But I'm going to tell you, I was super surprised. I'm excited for you guys to hear the horrors that we detail in the subcontact. coming NFL episode. And as you're listening, I want you to try to think about which athlete, it can be football, but it can be really any sport at all, which athlete, because this is fascinating to me. And we've messed with this a little bit in the past, but I really, really haven't gone into it as fully as I think we can. Which athlete has behaved in the most despicable ways

possible and why? Now, this is a long list, okay? Some of you might remember from when we did the Sportsland series, we got into some of these topics. But a lot of, of you haven't heard any of that. And, you know, this list, like I said, is long and fascinating, and particularly when we think about how these athletes rub up against pop culture. Okay. Very interesting to consider. I want to know from your perspectives which athletes have behaved in the most disgraceful ways. Okay, we can discuss them. And I'm kind of, as you can probably tell, already, low-key considering, you know, who I might do for potential episodes going forward. So as you're listening to the NFL episode, I want you to be thinking about that.

Let me know after you listen to the NFL episode. Remember, you might not have been in, you might not be Lana Del Rey fans, but you still love this Lana Del Rey episode we just released. I know you did. So you might not be football fans or sports fans at all, but you're going to love this NFL episode, okay? I promise because it's a good story and you guys love good storytelling. 617-9066638.

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So to one of the questions last week that spawned out of the Lana Del Rey episode on which female artists were unfairly treated by the critics, we got a ton of response on social, Instagram, Facebook, mainly at this Graceland Pod, on. those platforms. Jones X-15 writes, Janet Jackson with the Super Bowl, how come J.T. didn't get crap, too? This is a great answer, Jones X-15. I remember the Super Bowl, 2003, New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers, Janet Jackson's nipple. Crazy. It's hard to imagine the uproar that came from this stupid incident afterward. And, um, Yeah, this might be an interesting topic to get into. I know that Jones X-15 wasn't suggesting that, but that's where my head is going.

Yeah, crazy to think. That was so long ago. That was more than 20 years ago. Cori Nation 74 writes, Earth a Kit after her comments to Lady Bird Johnson regarding Vietnam at the White House, paid the price with her career for a rather innocuous statement. I don't know what the hell this is in reference to you, but I am very intrigued. Eartha Kit, the singer, sounds like she made some, I'm guessing, anti-war comments to Lyndon Johnson's wife at the White House. And I'm not sure how that would have affected her career.

Like, I mean, I get the implication that the president's wife got pissed off and somehow pushed some buttons. But that seems like a reach, a reach, even for late 60s culture. I want to know what the statement was. Corey Nation 74, hit us back and let us know. Todd Redfern also on Instagram writes Meg White, lots of ridiculous rumors everywhere. Yes, you're right, Todd Redfern. See my earlier comments on Meg White above. Kamamamamamamamamamemiel writes Britney Spears and Amy Winehouse.

Yes, Britney Spears and Amy Winehouse. I feel like Brittany for sure, but I watched that documentary and I feel like we didn't get the whole story. I have late breaking opinions, even though we've released two episodes on Britney Spears. my thoughts on this are evolving. Amy Winehouse for sure. Object Obsessed wrote Machine Gun Kelly. That's pretty funny. Over on Facebook, Nina Cantonese writes Amy Whitehouse.

They built her up and then tore at her during her struggle with addiction. I can't argue with that. That's a big part of our Amy Winehouse episode there, Nina Cantonese. Amy Winehouse comes up almost every week with you guys in some sort of commentary. I know we've been talking a lot about female artists lately. But even beyond that, I feel like just you guys are huge Amy Winehouse fans. Someone was asking about doing an Amy Winehouse t-shirt, the disgrace land, Avi Spivik illustration that we did for the disgrace land episode.

And we were working on that, but then our store got completely taken down from our host platform. There's a new store store that we were building. We still have the old store up, but it does not have that Amy Winehouse T-shirt on it that I was putting together. but don't have no fear we are working we are endeavoring uh behind the scenes here to come up with some more merch options for you even if we don't have that emu win house one all right anyways a lot a lot a lot a lot of negativity guys on instagram and facebook around the subject of which female artists have been maligned by the press unfairly a lot of negative comments from you guys about Yoko Ono.

Okay, now as someone who's made his own, I don't want to say, they were definitely negative comments about Yoko Ono, but they were more snide and more snarky than they were negative about Yoko. I feel like I need to talk about this with a little more depth here than I can do in the comment section

on Instagram and Facebook. In part because it is occurring to me now that perhaps there could be a Yoko Ono episode of disgrace land that could really prove to be divisive. that's not always a bad thing. Here are my thoughts on Yoko On. I've been very critical of her in the past for the same reasons that some of you guys have been in these comments.

But I don't think Yoko Ono was without talent. I mean, we laugh at that footage of her and Chuck Berry. That's because it's hysterical. And there may be an extreme lack of talent in that clip, but there is not an extreme lack of entertainment in that clip. And Yoko Ono was a provocateur. She was part of her own. She was part of her own art movement, not her own.

She was part of a art movement, a very significant art movement that was going on at the time. She was notorious in her own right before meeting John Lennon and had acquired some of her own fame to that point. Now, that is not to say that she wasn't driven by John Lennon's fame in some ways and was not without her faults in their relationship. There is so much there to unpack and there is so much there to criticize. But Yoko Ono is a serious subject in the culture of rock and roll, in the culture of art, just in 20th century culture. And I don't think we can just dismiss her as being either manipulative or untalented. It's a lot more complicated than that. And that's what makes me think there perhaps may be a Yoko Ono episode here in the future sometime for you guys, regardless of how divisive that subject might be.

Anyhow, if you are completely opposed to that idea, 6179. to 66638, leave me a voicemail, send me a text. I might take it under consideration. I might not, but I want to hear you beautiful voices. Here's the second question we asked last week in last week's after party. I went on a bit of a rant about how great the 1990s were and how they were peak life. I asked the question too. Did you guys agree with me? Were the 1990s peak life? I listed all the fantastic movies and records that were released just in the year of 1994. Pretty incredible. The 90s were peak life, okay? You know where I stand on this.

We're talking about movies and music exclusively. I'm not talking about, you know, social commentary or any politics, any of that crap. The 816 texted in on this question. 80s were a far better decade than the 90s. The 80s were a recovery from 70s inflation. Gas lines, socialistic government policies. 80s gave better music, better movies. MTV, better thriving economy, sports with Larry Bird,

Jordan and Magic Johnson, the 85 Chicago Bears, 49ers dynasty, Wayne Gretzky, John Candy, and Canadian humor. Canadian humor. The 90s wouldn't have existed if the 80s hadn't paved the way. Okay, okay, 816. A lot to unpack here. First of all, of course, the 90s wouldn't have existed if the 80s hadn't paved the way. You can say that about every single decade. I do, I just came out at you pretty harsh there, but I do, I admire this take. I think you're completely wrong. I do admire the balls of somebody to text in and say that the 80s of all decades. And you want to come back with the 60s or the 50s or the odds, but the 80s, even the 70s. I can't go there with you on the 80s. The 80s were a recovery from 70s inflation. Who cares? We're talking about music and movies. Now, you mentioned MTV.

I will give you that. MTV was a shock to the culture, okay? But 1990s MTV is better than 90s. 1980s MTV, and you know I'm right. Better thriving economy? Okay, again, but we're talking about music and records. You're talking about Larry Bird, sports, Jordan, and Magic Johnson. Bird Johnson in the 80s, hard to beat. But you know what beats Bird Johnson in the 80s? Michael Jordan in the 90s. And I say this as a Boston Celtics fan, okay? You say the 85 Chicago Bears, the 49ers dynasty. Okay, I'll give you that. Football wins in the 80s. 80s football.

definitely better than 90s football. Wayne Gretzky, nah, it's hockey, man. John Candy and Canadian humor, I'm not even, I mean, come on, come on. 90s, Andrew Dice Clay, all that great SNL that was going on in the 90s. Actually, you know what, 80s standup

might have been better than 90s stand up. That's a good question. Was 80s stand up better than 90s stand up? The 90s wouldn't have existed if the 80s hadn't paved the way. You might be right on that last point. I know you're right. but overall, I can't go there with you.

I don't think you're there. But hey, I love the take. Thank you. Prompted a good little conversation there. The 808 text in, in regard to 94 versus 20204, one thing that's funny to point out is that the crow is in the list of movies for both, though one is obviously superior. To reinforce your view about the quality not being the same,

look over your list again. 94 are all at the time original single standing films, 2004 are mostly franchise slash reboot slash sequels, which is a fancy way of saying they are retreads. Okay, good point. I can't argue with any of that. You're making my point that the 90s were better than the now when it comes to film. Yeah, I didn't, I don't know that I caught that they were the retreads.

I think I'm just so used to it now. I saw this morning the remaking La Bamba, and the writer-director came out and said, why? Why are you remaking La Bamba? And I got to admit, why? It's a good point. Why are they remaking La Bamba? Did they not say something in the original that they want to say now?

Can we find no other stories? Come on, the 7-8-1. Hey, Jake, it's Kel from the 7-8-1 about the 90s being peak life and noticing the drop-off from 94 to 2024. Yes, I have been noticing the last 10 to 15 years. It just isn't any movie that I get excited about going to see, except maybe the second Joker coming in October.

I thought the first one was phenomenal. And the music, I mean, come on, the 90s was absolutely peak life. And I think that's, as Jan Xers, we are so lucky to have grown up in the time that we did. It was a different time. I know that definitely makes me sound old, but it's so true. I don't feel old either. Rock the fuck on, she says. By the way, you've read my text on air before, and that was fucking awesome. I told my daughter, there's a lot of swears here. There's a lot of swears, 7-8-1. I'm editing them out. I told my that we're basically best friends now, and she said, my, you're delusional. That may be true. your daughter is right she signs it talk to you later bestie 7-81 thanks for the text keep

them coming um listen 7-81 i got a little tip for you there i've found these on instagram i love them there are these little uh i produce videos they're nostalgia pieces and they're uh they're they're just fantastic they really drop you right in the middle of the 1990 so if you want your gen x fix seek those out 716 text in hey just getting to the hillsborough episode goosebumps and tears Well, you read all the names and ages. Great decision-making with that choice. 716, thank you very much. I can't take credit for it.

That wasn't my idea. That said, I don't know whose idea it was. I just know that it wasn't mine, but it was pretty effective in the production. And that episode really hit home for a lot of people. I appreciate that text. You guys want to know what I'm talking about? It's the Hillsboro episode on the Hillsborough disaster,

European football, European soccer disaster that happened quite some time ago, a couple decades ago. And we released that recently in the feed, and it's gotten an incredible reaction. And yeah, I like hearing it. All right, let's check out this voicemail from Chad way up in British Columbia. Hey, Jake, it is Chad, Columbia. I don't know if you've given any thought to doing an episode on Randy Blythe

for Desceland, please hear from Lamb of God. I just listened to a pod. It's an interview that goes through like, you know, I saw a life's childhood, his origins, and I think there's an episode in there, too, but maybe on like a different level. This Graceland, the underground. Story of Randy's life. Cool.

And I just saw them live. And holy shit. Probably one of the best I've ever seen. So, okay, take care. Okay, Chad, Lamb of God, here's the deal. I want to do this episode on Lamb of God. People have been suggesting this from the beginning of. of disgrace land.

But I got to tell you, some of it is a supreme bum out. And I don't really know how to treat this episode. But I am going to do it at some time. You mentioned the Bad Brains. I would love to do a Bad Brains episode as well. I just showed my son, my oldest son, the Bad Brains, the CBGB set from, I believe it's New Year's, 1982. His mind was completely blown.

I fucked up, though. I showed him Bad Brains before I showed him Nirvana. You know, I should have, I should have eased into bad brains. Shows you how much I think about this stuff. I don't. It was on a whim, okay? Popped up on YouTube, there it was. I hit play.

All right, don't blame me. 617-906-66-36-3-8 if you want to blame me for anything else. So leave me a voicemail. Send me a text. Also, I can be reached, as you know, at Disgraceland Pod on the socials. And you can also email me, Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. I'll be back in just a flash. I'm going to read some emails from you guys.

There's two golden rules. that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man.

A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought how could this happen to me? me. The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an act.

or whatever. And my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do. Rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb.

And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance. Like he's about to attack me. Like, making karate noises. And his entire, the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going, and the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. And I immediately, know that I've been at sleepwalk.

David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Urban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting.

I like that. Did you practice that on your way over? Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Tena Monsu. Camilla Marone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Remember when you'd walk into your local video rental place and there were always those two employees behind the counter arguing about movies? Well, that's us. I'm Millie de Cherico. And I'm Casey O'Brien. And now we're arguing about movies on our podcast.

Dear Movies I Love You from the Exactly Right Network. Can I say something about the Criterion Clause? Go ahead, dude. They're letting too many people in there. Okay, that's another film, Gripe I got two. Sadly, that rental place doesn't exist anymore. It's probably a store that sells running shoes. Or an ice cream shop with an extra pee and an E at the end.

So consider us your slacker movie clerks in podcast form. I would like to establish a timeline of the moment you figured out who Channing Tatum was. Every Tuesday, we dig into the movies we can't stop obsessing over, from hidden gems to big screen favorites. New episodes drop every week on the exactly right network. Listen to Deer Movies I Love You on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, we are back to Scraiceland Pod at gmail.com. You want to send me an email. You guys like the long form. You like to type. You like to get the letters going, the old school letter writing. I'm here for it Gracelandpod at gmail.com.

This one comes from Miles Fisher's subject. John Coltrane message. Hey man, absolutely love your show, but I must know. When is the John Coltrade episode, episodes coming? I know it will be killing. Also, a Thelonious Monk episode would be great. That was definitely a disgrace, dying in a mental hospital and all. Thanks for your show.

Hey, Miles Fisher, thank you. Here's my thoughts on John Coltrane. of all the music I listen to. In the course of my life, I have probably listened to more John Coltrane than any other artist. I listen to him, I believe, daily still, and have. Every time I get a Spotify,

wrapped, it's John Coltrane at the top of the list. But here's the thing. I know very little about John Coltrane, and I think I do this on purpose to protect myself. I think I don't want to know. I think I like the mystery. I think I like that I have nothing to really go on besides the records that I have. Even though I listen to them on Spotify, I still just listen to the

records that I have the vinyl. That would be Blue Train, Giant Steps, ballads, love Supreme, the record he did with Monk. I'm trying to think of what else I have by Coal Train. I think that's about it. I know more about Miles Davis because we did a Miles Davis episode. We did two episodes on Miles Davis. They are two of my favorite episodes, by the way. Those are available for you in the archive, Miles. If you want to check those out, also, I also got an episode on Billy Holiday. Who else from the Jazz World? A couple others that are escaping me right now.

But, Miles, I didn't know if the Lonese Monk died in a mental hospital. That is some sad shit. So maybe I'll do a monk episode first. And maybe someday I will be inspired to break the seal and do a Coltrane episode. But I like the mystery. I don't want to give it up. Okay? All right.

This email, Mike Nut. That's his name. Mike Nut. Subject possible episode. Hey, message. Love your podcast. I'm a slightly new listener within the last year. I've listened to a lot. I love them all. I love music. I love singing. I have no professional background besides some distant family that was in the opera. However, I feel I have great instincts when it comes to music and voices and I can feel it in my soul. So there are many recommendations in my mind. However, this is a triple threat that could turn into a three-part series. It ties into three episodes, starting with the group Guy. Look, they were brief, but awesome. They started the new Jack Swing Sound in the late 1980s. These guys are responsible for some of the greatest artists in the 80s in the 80s in the 90s. In the 90s, 90s with the likes of Michael and Janet.

There is so much more to say, but you will find out. Number two, bouncing on for that, New Edition, who, Guy competed with, got into a fight with at a concert, but was also influenced by Guy's new Jack Swing Sound. So much more there with Bobby Brown and how the band got screwed over by multiple labels. And three, boys to men, whose name came from New Edition. The crazy stories of them are great, too, with a band member leaving and they're still continuing their legacy. We'd love to hear your feedback on these.

Have a great day. How have I never heard of Guy? G-U-Y. heard of guy being at the start at the uh the the the the the adam splitting at the big bang of new jack swing how do i not i've never heard this name before that's why i love you guys you're turning me on to stuff you're you're keeping me curious when it comes to music and that is not easy to do uh you probably know this maybe you don't mike nut but you probably know that we did a bobby brown episode this year came out a couple episodes ago that's in the archive you can check that out

In the meantime, I will consider this. I'm going to check out guy. You know, I'm going to do it. I'll listen to guy first tonight when I'm picking up, cleaning my room, you know, getting ready to go to bed. I clean before I go to bed. How does that make any sense? I should clean earlier, right?

But I'm going to put guy on. And if it's, you know, if I'm into it, if I'm compelled, I'll get back to you. Get back to me, Disgracecentipot at gmail.com. Just like Jamie Griffiths. I want to do one more email here. Trying to be better about these emails. Jamie Griffiths writes in. suggestions. Hank Williams 3, Queens of the Stone Age, the Bronx, Jesse Dayton, Mark Lanigan,

Tom Waits, Lemmy, and Mike Ness. Okay, I'm going to go in order here. Hank Williams 3. I love this. I love this. I love this. And I should do Hank Williams 2 because I've already done Hank Williams 1. I should do Hank Williams 2, then I should do Hank Williams 3. Queens of the Stone Age. that one feels a little a little uh it feels a little too recent i know you're probably talking about the the nick era i don't know what's there um but for your own entertainment here jamie uh you know josh from queens of the stone age he's plays a pretty significant role in our anthony bourdain episode i invite you to check that out the bronx what are we talking about with the bronx i mean what What crimes are they?

Are there any there at all? Jesse Dayton, same question. I knew Jesse back in the day, played with him before. Mark Lannigan, totally hear you there. Tom Waits, that would be fantastic. I don't know what's there for crime, but I know there is some wild living and just sonically, I know we could do something really cool with it.

Lemmy, we just released an all-access episode of Motorhead. So if you're a Patreon or Apple podcast subscriber, you can hear that Lemmy episode. And Mike Ness, yeah, love social distortion. That's a band I don't listen to enough. A band I really like that I don't listen to enough. I will look into all of these that you've mentioned here,

except the ones that I don't want to look into. And those being the more recent ones, Queens of the Stone Age in particular, and Jesse Dayton. And let's get back to me, Jamie. Get back to me and let me know if there's something I'm missing with those guys. The guys, I appreciate the emails. Keep them coming. DiscreasonnetPod at gmail.com.

That's one way you can support the show is by just, you know, keep keeping me going, man. sending me some info, just like Jamie here, just like Mike Nut, just like Miles Fitcher. I love, I love, love, love the back and forth. I love the input from you guys. I love the engagement. Another way you guys can support the show is you can leave a review. It's that easy.

Apple Podcasts, just hit it up, just go to Disgraceland, leave a review for us. Just like Buddy underscore 555.5. Dollar sign. Very well done, Buddy says. I happened upon this podcast some time ago. I think it's been several months since I heard it for the first time. Bobby Brown, that's the episode I heard, and I've been listening since. It's well-researched and presented.

It's like an edgy version of Inside the Actors Studio. I love that. I love that review, buddy underscore 555-dollar sign. Buddy, hit us up, Disgracelandpot at gmail.com or at Disgracelam Pod on the socials. I'm going to send you a T-shirt. Guys, that's how I support you for supporting us by leaving a review. You get some free merch, whatever we get lying around here, t-shirts, posters, stickers, pins. If I read your name out here, if I call out your review, hit me up and I will hit you back with some free merch.

Hit us up, like I said, on Apple Podcasts, leave a review there or on Spotify. Sarah Hunter leaves a review on Spotify. She writes my favorite podcast. Jake is awesome. Gen X is Rock in 90s. Most definitely were the best era for all things entertainment. I too don't feel my age until my 12-year-old starts talking his lingo to me. How about an episode on The Lost Boys or The Two Corys?

Thanks for getting me through my boring workday. Sarah Hunter, you got it. the lost boys that's interesting but the two corries is more interesting and i think that would be a great episode corey hayman carrie phelman sarah thanks guys sarah get in touch by the way disgrace at disgrace at disgrace lamp pot or you can just hit me up back on spotify uh or 617 9666638 send me a text or email me disgrace lamp pod at gmail dot com and we will work getting some merch out to you sarah guys appreciate all the support all the engagement means a lot all right this episode guys is nearing its end but the Party continues for our All Access members sign up today. You're going to hear an extended

version of the After Party. I'm going to get into some more sort of replacements conversation here. We just released our Replacements All Access episode in the All Access feed. Guys, All Access membership, it not only gets you that extra episode per month, it also gets you ad-free listening. And if you're a Patreon subscriber, I'm in the chat all day, pretty much every day with the fellow discos chopping it up. The whole community in there, it's a good hang. I encourage you guys to join. All you get to do, go to disgrace landpod.com slash membership. All right, back in a flash.

There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man.

A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target.

He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. And my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in.

Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance like he's about to attack me. You're like, making karate noises. And here's the entire the Kardashian family over there. Everybody's going, and the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. And I immediately know that I've been asleep walking.

David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over? Gayton Matarazzo from Stranger Things.

Tena Monsu. Camilla Morone at Carrie Kenny Silver. And more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Remember when you'd walk into your local video rental place and there were always those two employees behind the counter arguing about movies? Well, that's us. I'm Millie de Cherico. And I'm Casey O'Brien. And now we're arguing about movies on our podcast,

Dear Movies I Love You from the Exactly Right Network. Can I say something about the criterion closet? Go ahead, dude. They're letting too many people in there. Okay, that's another film grape I got two. Sadly, that rental place doesn't exist anymore. It's probably a store that sells. running shoes. Or an ice cream shop with an extra pee and an E at the end.

So consider us your slacker movie clerks in podcast form. I would like to establish a timeline of the moment you figured out who Channing Tatum was. Every Tuesday, we dig into the movies we can't stop obsessing over, from hidden gems to big screen favorites. New episodes drop every week on the exactly right network. Listen to Dear Movies I Love You on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back. I'm about to get out of here.

But before I do, before next week's episode on the NFL's criminal origins, there will be a rewind episode from our archive popping up in your feeds. And guys, before that, have you heard the news? I think you have.

Oasis is getting back together. Tickets are about to go on sale for the UK shows. Who is going? Are there going to be U.S. shows announced? What do you think? I'm on the fence. Part of me really, really,

really wants to see them across the pond, but then another part of me doesn't want to do it. dole out the cash, wants to wait for the U.S. dates, but can we be sure that they're even going to be U.S. dates? What do you know? Do you guys know stuff? Do you know things I don't know? Let me know. Of course, my kids want to go now as well, my wife, obviously. So this is likely going to be a family affair. UK listeners, which city do I want to go see Oasis in? All right? I'm okay with not doing London. I've done London a bunch. Been there enough. Let me know at Disgraceland Pod 617-90666338.

where should we go see your oasis if we go at all or do we wait for U.S. dates to be announced. Anyways, rewind episode coming your way next in the feed and you can guess which band from the archive. This is going to be on. I know you can. So speaking of archives, we mentioned a lot, Bobby Brown, a bunch of others from the archive. We also mentioned the Rolling Stones in this episode. We have a ton of Stones. But if we're talking, I can't get no satisfaction, Rolling Stones. And we were talking about the Rolling Stones part one episode of Disgraceland released on June 23rd, 2020. That's episode number 60,

and that episode deals with the Stones in Swinging London, bona fide prison break in some East End Gangsters, Part 2 is episode 61. Obviously, that was released on June 30th. That one gets into the first big bust. I don't know if this is,

no, it wasn't the first bus, but it gets into the big Redlands bus that the Rolling Stones were part of, and Princess Margaret is in this episode, just a jewel heist, all kinds of stuff. Love these episodes. I hope you revisit them. We also talked about the Hank Williams episode.

in the archive as well. Who else we talk about Madonna, Amy Winehouse. We highlighted those archive episodes recently, so I'm not going to give them the info here. You guys know where to find them. Just know, they're there. They're in the archive if you want them. We talk college rock and alternative music in the All Access portion of this episode here. And of course, if those genres didn't unfold the way that they did, we likely wouldn't have had Nirvana. And we, of course, covered Nirvana in episodes 25 and 26 back in March of 2019. So give those episodes a listen if you have not already. All right, that brings us to nearly an end, folks.

So let's recap. Shall we? Number one, right now on your feed, a brand new episode on Lana Del Rey. Number two, coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive. And we are talking about the gangster origins of the NFL next week's episode.

So I want to know from you guys, who is the most disgraceful athlete of all time. And why? What do they do? Let me know. Number three, merch winners. Get in touch. You know who you are.

Number four. Remember, no one cares about great storytelling more than you do. And well, that's a. disgrace. All right, in honor of the subject of our most recent episode, Lana Del Rey, celebrating a birthday recently, we give to you, me reading you, the billboard charts from the day Lana Del Rey was born on June 21, 1985. Number one, heaven, Brian Adams. Last week, two, weeks at number one, one, weeks on chart, 10. Number two, S S Sudio, Phil Collins. Last week.

Last week, six. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, seven. Number three, everybody wants to rule the world. Tears for fears. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on sharp, 15.

Number four, raspberry beret. Prince in the Revolution. Last week, 11. Peak position, four. Weeks on number one, six. Nine. and start mixing. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist,

they take matters into their own hands. I vowed, I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends, trust me, babe, on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark.

When like young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. My first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? You'd rather be disappointed in. Do that. David O'Yello. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Dennis Leary, Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things, Tana Monsu, Camilla Morone,

Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Movies can make you feel, make you dream. Sometimes they even make you appreciate architecture. Is there anybody who's been hotter in a doorway than Elizabeth Taylor?

That's the kind of analysis you'll find every week on Dear Movies I Love You, the new podcast from the Exactly Right Network. Every Tuesday, we break down the films we're crushing on, from blockbusters to deep cuts. Listen to Dear Movies I Love You on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.