DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Purple Rain, Tupac investigation developments, and New versus Nü Metal

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

This week's re-release of the second part of the Notorious BIG episode comes along with somenew developments in Tupac's murder case - and maybe related to BIG's murder. Who do you think killed BIG? What about Tupac? Jake also talks Prince's acting career, nü metal, new metal, and non-biopic music movies. Drop Jake a line about these topics at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod, and come join the After Party. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode

of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this episode, we are talking, among other things, once again, about the notorious BIG, some disgraceful new metal, Ricky Powell, Biz Marquis, and of course, your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more, and as always a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get it. All right, in this week's re-release of part two of the notorious BIG story, we get further into the infamous East Coast, West Coast beef, but also into Biggie's life after Tupac, his inspiration as an artist and the mystery behind his still unsolved murder.

Still unsolved! Can you believe this? This is 26 years ago. But recently, there was some news related to Tupac's cure his murder. The Nevada home of Keith D., one of the two living eyewitnesses to Tupac's murder. His home was recently raided. And now, at the time of the taping of this after-party episode, the Sun, the newspaper in the UK, is reporting that Keith D is facing, quote-unquote, imminent charges related to Tupac's murder. Not sure how credible the Sun is.

Just throwing that out there. But add to that, one of the four. former detectives who worked on Biggie's case is saying that whatever evidence they're collecting from Keith D may actually help solve Biggie's murder as well. So what do you think? Are they on to something here? They're getting warmer? It feels like every couple months or, sorry, years or whatever.

Something pops up that teases us and lets us think that we're finally going to get to the finally going to get to the end of this. I almost feel like if we were to know who actually killed Biggie or Tupac, would we even pay attention to it in today's media landscape? Would it even cut through? I mean, I know it would cut through immediately, but I almost feel like the mystery around their death is way bigger than any potential solving of the case could be.

You can hear at the end of this notorious BIG episode, the Part 2 episode that we just released, you can hear where I'm coming from with my feelings on who killed him and what the motivation could have been. So because of that, because of my thoughts on this, it's easy for me to see why one of the former detectives who worked on the case, like I just mentioned,

would say that whatever evidence is found on Keith D might actually help authorities find out who killed BIG. The big, the big one, the notorious big one. This topic, still 26 years later, is a hot one, and I don't mean popular one, I mean dangerous one. The killers are still out there. I believe that. I believe that at least in the case of Tupac,

the killer still holds influence and is still dangerous and still capable of killing. And I think that that is very much why no one will actually say who they think killed Tupac. If you watch interviews with people who were involved, I mean friends of his, other artists in the music industry,

same thing goes for when they talk about who killed Biggie. You can kind of see a pattern develop and how they answer questions in what they don't say. And I use that as a guide post for me on writing these BIG episodes. And again,

you know, what I just said about Tupac's killer being out there, the same holds for Biggie's killer. Not only is he still out there, I believe that the forces that brought down Big are bigger and more dangerous than the forces that brought down Tupac Shakur. So, you know, there's a question I ask

at the end of this episode, the Part 2 episode on Biggie. The question is, who stood to gain from the death of the notorious BIG? Lots of potential people stood to gain. Was that his record label, his manager, the LAPD, Tupac supporters? There's a long, long list. So who?

Who stood to gain from, Biggie Small's dying. 617-906-66-6638. The question this week is simple. Who do you think killed the notorious B-I-G? Leave me a voicemail or send me a text just like the 859 chiming in here on their way to work.

To Merle and White, Scarca, 1969. At the time, I was bitter about it. We're friends with a lot of people, you know, they wonder why the podcast, what you're doing, and rocker-roll it. All right, Sean, I had no idea. idea about this Merle Haggard and Wayland Jennings dust up. See, that's the thing. That's why this thing of ours, this quote-unquote thing of ours works. I share info with you guys. You guys hit

me to classic country beefs and have no fear. We will get to a Waylon Jennings episode, Paging, Zeth Lundy sometime in the near future. But in the meantime, like I said, previously, you can check out the video we have on Waylon on our YouTube channel. That's YouTube.com slash at disgracelam pod. But back to the voicemails. Judy, Judy from the 309. Sounds like a clash song, doesn't it? Judy from the 309. All right, Judy, what do you got? Hey, Jake.

I'm calling from 309, and I was listening to a bonus episode. Not sure which one, but you asked about non-biopic music movies or something to that extent. And I don't think this is a bio. I think it's just an amalgamation of different stories that are similar to maybe musicians. well definitely similar to musicians that have lived. But I don't think it's about anyone in particular. It's American Pop. It's an animated movie.

I love it. It is my favorite. It is so just layered when you really get into it and watch it. The animation is crude and raw with the music. It's just a great experience. So I suggest that. I didn't mention my name. Judy, again, calling from the 309.

Have a great day. Baccarolla. Judy, thank you. I've never seen American pop. I don't think. That's not this. No, I'm thinking of heavy metal. That's the one from the 70s.

When is American pop from? 2000s. What? I got to figure this out. I'll look into American pop, Judy. Thank you. I appreciate the voicemail. Let's check out this one from Terry

all the way out in Idaho in the two. Hey, Jake, it's Terry from way out in Idaho again, the 208. Music movies. I'm going to have to say I am a huge Prince fan, so Purple Rain. I know that probably won't go down on a lot of people's list, but it's one of my favorites. Bohemian Rhapsody is up there. I also have to say I'm a Motley crew fan, so I loved the dirt.

and 8 Mile was a good one with Eminem. So really love that. Anyway, keep up the great work and rockerola. Terry, thank you for the call. I love Purple Rain because I love Prince, but I'm going to say something that I don't think is controversial, but who knows? Prince is not a good actor.

We love Prince, and because we love him, I feel like that compensates in Purple Rain, at least, for his lack of acting chops. Yeah, I still love the movie. His shitty acting doesn't really affect it for me. He just looks good on a motorcycle. What can I say? What else did you talk about here?

The dirt was good, especially Tony Cavalero, is Ozzy Osbourne in that scene with the ants. But it's hard to compete with that book. I don't know if you've read the dirt, the Neil Strauss book, but it is incredible. I think it's the only book I've ever read in one sitting where I just started reading it and I stopped everything I was doing and I could not stop reading it until I was done.

I remember exactly where I was. I was on the Upper East Side in my friend Julie Duffy's apartment back when she lived in New York and would go out on tour managing John Cougar Mellon Camp and Justin Timberlake and let me crash at her place when she was gone. Awesome of you, Julie. Still thanking you after all these years. But I remember she had a copy of the dirt on her bookshelf when I got to her place. And I mustn't have had anything to do. that day and night because I just planted my ass down in one of Julie's chairs,

and I just read and read and read and read. And all these years later, it's a Netflix thing, and we're still talking about it. But that's because the book is so damn good. So, Terry, check out the book, The Dirt by Neil Strauss, if you haven't already. And thanks for your Badlands answers as well. I'll get back to you separately on your movie stuff over in the rap party. All right, let's check in with Billy for the 210. Jake, you got Billy here from the 210 and Senate.

Tonyo, Texas, and I'm calling in reference to one of your previous after-party questions, so I just wanted to let you know what I've been listening to lately in reference to what you first mentioned. I've been revisiting a lot of old school. Well, really, I mean, just 1980s stuff like talking heads, the Pesh mode, the nine-inch snails. But, man, you were talking about this, you know, I can't believe that. that you've never seen National War on Killers

or you didn't like it the first time when you saw it because it's crazy. Oliver Stone, he directed that flick. And then he hired Trent Reznor from Nine-inch Snails, of Nine-E-Nish Nails, is Nine-Inch Nails, to produce the soundtrack for the film. So I don't know if you've re-watched it, but you might like it the second time around much more.

Because, in my personal opinion, I don't know which is better, the film or the soundtrack. So you might want to challenge yourself on that one, friend. I think it'll be thoroughly surprised. But keep on, keeping on, man, keep doing the best work that everybody implores you to continue doing. And I'm a huge fan of yours. Yeah, you're an inspiration, brother.

Be good. Take care. Billy, I did not know about the Resner angle with Natural Born Killers, but I'll indeed get back into it and check it out. I love having a reason to rewatch movies and challenge my initial opinions about things, and your timing is great. Just heard a Resner piece from the Social Network soundtrack and popped up on my shelf while I was blown away by Jimon Atticus Fitch. Am I saying that right? But yeah, I'll check out Natural Born Killers for no other reason, like you said, just for the soundtrack. And it's been decades since I've seen that movie.

Kind of excited to have a reason to dive back into it, even though I was just reading Tarantino's comments about how much he still dislikes that movie. All right, guys, 617-906-6638. If you want to leave me a voicemail on anything that we're discussing here in disgrace land, I love loving these recommendations from you guys on best non-music biopic music movies.

That's a mouthful. But this week's question, you know, keep those answers coming if you got them. But this week's question is, who killed the notorious BIG? Doesn't get more true crimey and more music, true crime than that. Check out the latest re-release of the two Biggie episodes we did. Part 2 just hit. It's at the top of your feeds. You can check that out to refresh your memory.

Hit me back with your theories on who killed Biggie Smalls. We'll take theories on who killed Tupac as well. Whatever. Whatever other questions you have. Voice mails, text, 617-906-66-36-36-36-38. I'm going to take a quick break. Be back after this with some answers. to your texts, some DMs, and more.

There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, oh my God, this is the same man. a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves.

Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Remember when you'd walk into your local video rental place and there were always those two employees behind the counter arguing about movies? Well, that's us. I'm Millie de Cherico. And I'm Casey O'Brien. And now we're arguing about movies on our podcast, Dear Movies I Love You, from the Exactly Right Network.

Can I say something about the Criterion Clause? Go ahead, dude. They're letting too many people in there. Okay, that's another film grape I got to. Sadly, that rental place doesn't exist anymore. It's probably a store that sells running shoes. Or an ice cream shop with an extra pee and an E at the end. So consider us your slacker movie clerks in podcast form.

I would like to establish a timeline of the moment you figured out who Channing Tatum was. Every Tuesday, we dig into the movies we can't stop obsessing over, from hidden gems to big screen favorites. New episodes drop every week on the exactly right network. Listen to Dear Movies I Love You on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, yes, we are back, so let's dive into some of your texts. You can text me as you know, 617-906. 66638. Got this one here from the 814. Hi, Jake. My name is Chad, and I'm from the 814 area of Pennsylvania, and I have been listening to you since you started work on disgrace land and badlands.

While at work, while I cut the grass at home, I work in a manufacturing plant that makes fuel-related items like sump pumps and LCD screens for gas stations and depots all over the world. My family and I recently took a trip to Virginia Beach, and I introduced him to your podcast during the drive. They loved your writing and storytelling abilities. Keep up the great work, and thank you for all your hard work. I would love to hear something about the early few between Roger Waters and David Gilmore someday, if you could.

Much love. Thanks for the text, Chad. Appreciate it. Love that you're spreading the disgrace land to your family. You must have some older kids, I hope. But yeah, Roger Waters and David Gilmore. We're going to do a Pink Floyd part two at some point,

and I believe we'll get into that. All right, this one comes in from the 518, hot on the conspiracy line. Hey, Jake, Chuck and the 518 again. Heard you talking about Mark David Chapman on the pod today. Are familiar with the theory? Are you familiar with the theory that John Lennon was assassinated, but not necessarily by Chapman?

I don't know what to make of it. Maybe it's similar to your John Denver pod. Anyway, attaching a link to the pod. I am familiar with it, and I don't put any stock in that. But hey, man, free country. You can believe what you want to believe. But everything I've read leads me to believe that Chapman was the guy.

Not even a question. All right. All right. This one comes from the 678. Hey, Jake. This is Erica from the 678 ATL. I'm a new listener to your podcast, and I love it. Shout out to my coworker Steve,

who introduced me to this Graceland podcast. Then I saw you have one about movie stars, and I said to myself, this is amazing. I'm a big, huge movie person. So thank you for the podcast. You got it. This is going into Badlands direction, but I'm going to keep rolling with it.

With that being said, I was on my way of work, looking for an episode, to and found one about Carrie Fisher. And as I'm listening to, I got on the highway, and this black jetto was in front of me. And I noticed their license plate. It immediately said, OMG, the license plate

were at OB-1 Canobi. I couldn't believe it. I don't know what this means. But it was interesting enough. I had to reach out to tell you about it. And this won't be the last time you hear from me. I got a lot of catching up to do. Well, all right.

And then she sends in, Erica sends in the picture of the OB-1-Kinobi-Lisance plate from the Jeddah. I got a little, it was a little Badlands text there. I thought it was going to be an after-party disgrace land tax but hey we'll keep it let's see what else we got from the four six nine subject music industry beefs jake what about david crosbie and stephen stills crosbie said something offensive about still's girlfriend and they never got past it is that really what it was that's fucked up if that was that's fucked up for many different reasons uh one why are you saying something offensive

about your bandmates girl i mean come on and number two Guys, get over it. It's ridiculous. Will Crosby's dead, so there's no getting over it now if it never got over. All right, let's go. What else we got here? 7-2-4 says, hey, Jake, it's Anthony. You asked in disgrace land about music feuds, especially country. I know Toby Keith and the chicks got deep into it, including Keith showing picks of the chicks with Sodom.

Sodom Hussein. It got heated. Well, that's interesting, man. That's fucking interesting. I didn't know anything about that. I'm going to look that up. I'm down for some early odds. Country beef. What else we got here?

From the 424. Went to the O.C. Fair last weekend, and they have an exhibit called Art of Music. And for some reason, I went in and remembered disgrace land. Here are some picks. And then there's a bunch of picks, just general picks, Prince, the Beatles. I like that you're just, you're seeing music stuff and you're thinking of me. Thank you. All right, got this one from the 302.

Jake, Tina from the 302 here. Happy Friday. No, you're probably top, probably on top of this being a mass hole. like so many of these fellows, but I had to send it your way anyway. Such a banger, really stoked for the full album in a couple months, and hopefully none of them will make it onto your podcast

due to the misadventures, but maybe merely for being so fucking rad. Anyone who have a spectacular weekend, Heart XTX, that is from Tina in the 302. And what she's referring to, she sends a link here to Spotify, and it is to the new single by the Defiant single called Dead Language.

Defiant punk band with all these punk vets, including the infamous Dickie Barrett. I say infamous, but he's not infamous. He's a great fucking guy, former singer of the mighty, mighty boss tones. And Tina's right. This song is fucking great, and I look forward to the full album from The Defiant. What else we got? From the 705, I'm going to wrap it here on this beef's conversation because it's pretty damn good. And I got to move on, though.

This one coming from the 705 saying three of the biggest beefs, Dean Martin, Jerry Lee Lewis, Don and Phil Everly, Don Felder, and Glenn Fry. Yeah, we didn't really get into the Don Felder, Glenn Frye, Beef in the Eagles. Kind of touched on it. I think I don't really remember. Don and Phil Everley, though, that's huge, and that could necessitate an Everly Brothers episode, which I'd never really thought of before until now. So thank you, 705.

And then, of course, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. You know, there's going to be a rap pack episode at some point. But the more I think about this, the more. I'm becoming hip to the fact that there's probably many rap pack episodes that we could get into here. So thanks for the 705. Appreciate it. Guys, you want to send me some voicemails? 617-906-66-66-36-38.

You want to send me some text? Same thing. 617-906-6638. You want to DM me about any of these topics we're discussing. You can do that at Disgraceland Pot. Let's get into that right now, some DMs. All right, from Leo X Fury on Instagram. Leo writes, man, your episode on Ariana.

Grande is mind-blowing, and I was listening to the after party right after that one about the top hip-hop groups, and you said something really important. You need a big L episode. It's my fave rapper of all time. All right, Leo, get into that big L at some point. It's on the list, man, and it's been on the list from the beginning, and I keep finding reasons not to do it. It's one of those things that I really want to get into it, and I'm kind of afraid of the amount of time that I'm going to have to spend. But we will get into it at some point, I promise. Ian Standish sends us a story of himself drinking a rock a roll. Thanks, Ian Stanish. Appreciate that. That's also on Instagram. Zach Ahern writes in on Instagram, hey, could even get through a minute of Fidlar. I think he meant to write couldn't even get through a minute of Fidlar. Well, that's just like your opinion, man.

And you're missing out. It's a great fucking band. I stand by it. Austin James Music writes in, something about her. how awesome, notorious BIG is. A little story there. I missed it. Saw it for a second.

Let's keep moving here with a couple more DMs. Let's go over to Facebook. Sue Hendrickson writes in on Facebook. Hey, Jake, Sue from 612, did you recommend reinventing Elvis recently? I'm 53 years old. Thanks to my mom, who is a full-on Elvis fanatic.

I've been listening to Elvis since before I was born. The day Elvis died is severed in my soul. I was seven. My mom and I were inconsolable. She's been gone for 15 years now, watching the show brings her spirit close, his talent, grace, sense of humor, and that unmistakable it factor, it's breathtaking.

Love your show, love the ongoing conversations you have with your listeners. Thanks for hours of great entertainment. You got it, Sue. I did not recommend reinventing Elvis, but I'm going to watch it, and sorry about the loss of your mom. You definitely sound like you're missing her

and that you keep her close in your heart. And Elvis is a good way to do that. So I'm going to check that out. Thank you. Aaron Nicole writes in, I am in landscaping. So while I'm weeding beds and pruning, I have you as my work buddy all day. We live in the roller coaster capital of the world, Sandusky, Ohio.

Let me know what you think of F is for family. I will, Aaron, when I get into it. Thanks for introducing yourself. Appreciate you. Appreciate all you guys. You want to get in touch. It's at Disgrace Lamppod, all right? You can do that on Facebook.

You can do that on Instagram. You can do that on Twitter. You can do that on TikTok if that's your thing. It's actually not Twitter anymore. Excuse me. It's X. All right. I'm easy to get in touch with, okay?

And I respond. Well, I try to respond anyways. Doug in Groon writes, hey disgrace land, this is on X. Hey, disgrace land pod, this reminds me of the intro to the recommendations portion of the after party. And it's this amazing picture of Thin Lizzie, a band I love and have forever loved and will forever loved. And I don't understand where people get off thinking I don't like Thin Lizzie or where that came from. At Dean Arnold writes in on X at Disgracelam Pot. Oh, this is a good one on Beefs.

Ira and Charlie Lovin hated each other. Country beef. Yeah, Lovin Brothers. Hot damn. I get to write that episode. That'll be fun. All right, again, at Disgraceland Pod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, get in touch. We're talking everything.

We're talking beefs, country beefs, music beefs, whatever beefs. We're talking about best non-music, biopic music movies. We're talking about who killed Biggie Smalls, who might have killed Tupac. Let me know, 617-90666-663-8 at Disgracelam Pod. I'm going to take a quick break back with some recommendations in just a bit. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.

And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriend. I'm Anna Sinfield and in this new season of the Girlfriends Oh my God, this is the same man A group of women discover They've all dated the same prolific con artist I felt like I got hit by a truck

I thought how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care So they take matters into their own hands I said, oh hell no I vowed I will be his last target He's gonna get what he deserves Listen to the Girlfriends Trust me babe

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I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance, like he's about to attack me, like, making karate noises. And his entire, the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going, and the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. I immediately know that I've been asleep walking. David O'Yello. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction

or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over? Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The recommendations part. This is the recommendation. The part, we recommend the things that need recommending the recommendations part. All right, all right, all right. I'm writing this thing that hopefully you guys will hear about soon. I can't talk about it. But someday, hopefully I can.

It's a story that's set in the early odds. It's set in 2001 to be specific. So as I'm writing this thing, I've been mining rock music from 2009 for inspiration. Not from 2001, because again, the story takes place in early 2001. And also the thing that I've noticed is 2001, this thing happens in music that changes the course that we're on. 2001 is when we start to get, you know, we get the strokes, white stripes start to break through. And then the sort of floodgates open, the hives, the vines, all the the the the bands, for lack of a better term. And mainstream rock music takes a turn for the better, for sure.

in my opinion. But I'm focused on for the worst here in 2000 and what was going on in 2000 in 1999. And as I'm writing this thing and I'm immersed in this world and I'm listening to what was on the charts at the time for rock music, I find myself having a brand new appreciation

for what I can only describe as ridiculous new metal. music I fucking hated I didn't care about it I thought it I not only hated it I like actively it just repelled me I'm talking about these songs in particular

are the ones I've been listening to and these are the bands that I'm talking about here okay last resort by Papa Roach American badass by Kid Rock Drive by Incubis down with the sickness by disturbed, sleep now in the fire

by rage against the machine. I was pretty much out on rage after their first album, so by 2001 I wasn't paying attention, or 2000, I wasn't paying attention, I should say. And as for Papa Roach, kid rock, and incubus, and disturbed, I was thoroughly disinterested.

But again, hearing these songs now, almost as artifacts from another time, with this new objectivity. I hear them as kind of a new classic rock, and I cannot believe I'm saying this, but I'm open to it. Like, I, again, again, again, this music repelled me. And now I'm like, you know,

I'm turning up Last Resort by Papa Roach, which, by the way, the lyrics are so fucking dark. I can't believe that was like a radio hit. But I don't. I don't know. I mean, I realize I'm flushing all my quote-unquote cool guy crad down the toilet here, but what can I say? This is true. There's something that happens with time where you can bring objectivity to a piece of music and you can hear it in the context of nostalgia or something that makes you feel like it's not that it gives you permission because I don't give a shit about that. I don't care what people think about what I listen to or what they think about me because I listen to something or another. Clearly, I'm telling you right now that I can appreciate disturbed for God's sakes. But there's some about just having distance from it, and I've experienced this with other types of music, too, that make it listenable to me, make me, not listenable, make me almost want to just want to like it. It's weird. It's fucking weird. And all this, of course, listening to this bad new metal

from 1999 and 2000 has forced me into listening to newer heavy music, hardcore music, new metal, not new and you metal, but new as in modern metal. mostly when I'm working out. So I'm listening to Incendiary. I'm listening to Madball. Leeway, that's old, I get it, but still, I'm back listening to a power trip, kind of new, but not really.

Turn style. So I just got to ask, what heavy music are you guys listening to? Because I'm in that mindset right now. And, yeah, if you want to convince me that these new metal bands are actually better than I thought they were, and I just missed something, and now I'm finally catching up to it,

convince me why I shouldn't hate Papa Roach or disturbed, is what I'm saying. And again, hit me up some, any modern hardcore or modern metal you guys are digging on. 617-906-66-6638. I'm in a heavy music phase currently and I'm digging it. So hit me up with those recommendations. Also listening to Death Valley girls, band from L.A.,

going to see them in a couple weeks at Bumblefest. Anyone else going to Bumblefest? Maybe I'll see you there. Caught up on, as for music-related video content, caught up on a couple music docs since we last spoke. Showtime keeps playing the Ricky Popper. The Individualist documentary from 2020. And I've seen this before.

I saw it when it came out. Of course, I'm interested in Ricky Powell just because of his affiliation with the Beastie Boys, but also just being part of that whole downtown New York thing in the 80s and 90s. Just that's my lane, man, as it is for a lot of you guys, too. I know. I see any of that content.

I'm just like sucked right in. And this documentary is really great. And Ricky Powell was a great artist, who's a photographer. He was more than that. He was a personality. He had his own thing. I know a lot of you know who he is.

I'm obviously speaking right now to those who don't. But if you're all interested in downtown New York, if you're at all interested in early hip-hop, early Def Jam, or The Beastie Boys, of course, anything like that. Check out Ricky Powell, the individualist. This documentary is not new. It's from 2020, but it is worth, like I said, I saw it then, and it's on.

And every time I catch it on, I just re-watch it. It's just, it's really fucking great. Also, there's a new, I think this is on Showtime as well. Showtime does a lot of music content, which is awesome. I appreciate that. Thanks, Mr. Mimus at Showtime. But they've got this new Biz Marquis documentary called All Up in the Biz, which is pretty damn good. I haven't seen all of it.

I like the Ricky Powell thing. It pops up and I'm just like sucked into it. I'll watch it all before the next time we speak, just because I really started to get into it last night. And it dawned on me, you know, there's this, you know, I don't know if the programming here from Showtime with Bismarkey and the Rookie Powell thing is because we're, we're circling, we're still circling this 50 years of hip-hop anniversary thing or not. But it dawned on me in watching these docs, especially the Bismarkey one, that I just think it's so great that we are, these docs come out and a lot of them tell the same stories.

or they tell different versions of anecdotes from hip-hop history, which I think is very important because we've been beaten over the heads, or I have at least, in people my age, with the sort of punk rock and classic rock music history lore. And we know all these stories

about the Ramones getting together, all the stories about the stones and Led Zeppelin or the sex pistols or Nirvana or whatever. This stuff is like, It's well-worn road. It's been gone over in so many different ways. And I'm guilty of going over this stuff more than once as well.

Hip-hop, because it's a newer medium, it's a newer form of music, and its history is newer, has not had this happen. And there are all these sort of, I hate this phrase, but these untold stories. Just a story about Marley Marl and the Juice crew and how these guys, Big Daddy Kane, Biz Marquis, Eric B and Rakeem, how these guys are these guys. all kind of were in the same orbit, how they were jockeying to get on these tracks, and how this history took shape. I mean, this stuff is very compelling. These stories are super interesting, and they're part of hip-hop lore, and they deserve to be as prevalent in sort of the historical

rear view as our stories about punk rock and classic rock are. Maybe, though, the problem isn't one of disseminating this information. Maybe the problem is my lens in how I look through it and sort of where where it takes me or where it has taken me. But all this is to say that all this hip hop content that's being released right now, I think it's great. I love it. I'm here for it and I'm happy to add our own content from disgrace land onto this pile as well. You guys are going to hear more about that next week and I'm very excited for it. What are you guys watching? What are you listening to? You're reading anything good? Let me know, 617-90666-6-36-3-8 with your recommendations.

I'm going to take a quick break. I'm drinking coffee, not to you this morning because I'm up early doing this. I'm going to drink a little more coffee. I'll be back after this. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, part two of the notorious BIG re-release is the latest episode of our Disgraceland series. That's in your feeds right now.

Number two, over in the Badlands Feed, we've got a brand new episode on Joan Crawford. Number three, next week in the Disgracedland Feed, we're dropping the trailer for Season 13, which not only ties into the 50th anniversary of hip hop, but is our first serialized season of Disgraceland ever. Ten episodes on one artist, and it's a massive artist. It's huge, okay? You're going to want to check this out. You're not going to want to miss this.

Number four, my number is 617-906666638. Call me on the telephone or text me. All right, my moment of bliss, me reading you, the phone book from Los Angeles, circa 1975, with a familiar your name that's relevant to this week's episode. Let's go. Wallace, York, 2032, east 120th, 636-5960. Wallace, Yvonne, 8100 Avalon, 7-51-47-67. Wallace Zorn, photos, 1432 Wilcox, 461-1219.

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