DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: RIP David Johansen and Gene Hackman

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

This week, Jake reflects on the recent passing of two legends: David Johansen and Gene Hackman. Plus, we hear from you on rock n' roll actors, great guitarists, and day drinking with punk legends in a strip club.Next week, we're bringing you a story about Thin Lizzy. In honor of Thin Lizzy and of Saint Patrick's day, we want to know: Who is your favorite Irish band? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 76 - New York DollsEpisode 108 and 109 - Sex PistolsEpisode 151 - U2Episode 71 - David BowieTo hear an extended version of the After Party and gain access to our recent exclusive episode on guitar legend Stevie Ray Vaughan, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter)  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's episode subject, Dennis Hopper. We are also discussing two cultural giants that we lost last week, David Johansson and Gene Hackman. And we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy.

All right, discos, let's get into it. So since the last time we talked, which was during last week's after party, we lost two giants. I think we can use that word, giants from the world of entertainment, David Johansen and Gene Hackman. Two men, two artists of immense influence, David Johansen, of course, as a New York doll. He was the last living New York doll as well, a band that he led, a band that directly influenced so many others, a band as exciting and thrilling and dangerous as the city that it represented, a band largely reflective of David Johansson's unique style and personality, which was tough, witty, funny, iconoclastic. If David Johansson never created the New York Dolls, it's doubtful,

like I really truly mean this. This isn't hyperbole. It's doubtful that we would have had bands like the Stooges, the Ramones. And if we didn't have the Ramones, then we wouldn't have had the clash or the sex pistols and we definitely wouldn't have had, you know, without the New York Dolls, we definitely wouldn't have had Kiss or Motley Crew. At the very, at the very least, Motley Crew would have been a hell of a different band if the New York Dolls never made it into Nikki Six's record collection. I didn't grow up in New York Dolls fan. They were before my time. I came to them late. I came to them actually through Johnny Thunder's solo stuff. So I wasn't there, obviously, when they started, it was before I was born. But in the research I've done,

both on the New York Dolls and on bands like Blondie, in reading, especially in reading Legs McNeil's book, Please Kill Me, you really get a sense of the stir, the unique stir, the unique energy that the New York dolls, the excitement that the New York dolls created in New York City at their spark, at their beginning, specifically around the early 70 shows and the Mercer Arts Center shows that were depicted in,

Oh, God, it was that movie, no, TV show on HBO Vinyl. These shows were the coolest of the coolest shows by every estimation. This whole scene that the New York Dolls had kind of built and that it sprung up around them, around the creation of their band. It was felt all over the city. I mean, from a young Jeffrey Ross Hyman, aka Joey Ramon, to Bet Midler, I've even read accounts of John Lennon, if not, you know, being a fan of the New York Dolls, at least being interested or aware of what was going on at the time. Like I said, Bet Midler was hanging out down there.

I read, it wasn't true. I checked it this morning. I read that Hendricks was at a New York doll show, but I checked that out. And he died, I believe the year before they came to be. So if you read that, that's not true. But of course, Joey Ramon, Bet Midler, a host of others who went on to become famous, Debbie Harry, too many to mention. The dolls were the hottest thing in New York, unquestionably. And they were one of those bands that, of course, didn't sell a lot of records, but whose influence is still being felt in our culture 50 years later, even beyond music with style, with filmmaking. I'm actually, I have a film on the background right now. It's called Smithereens. It's just playing on Criterion Channel. It's set in the 80s, early 80s,

I believe, in Manhattan. And just from the look of it and the feel of it and the sound of it and all of it, you can feel the influence of the New York Dolls in this little indie movie. David Johansson was a was a star for sure despite the band not selling a bunch of records so even as a star though it's hard to even explain the type of the type of star that David Johansson was in the New York dolls

I mean he's he's an every man tough guy but he's in lipstick and high heels and he's got this androgynous image that he's projecting while he's fronting the New York dolls but he's still like I said tough fast talking the scrappy New York cab driver. All that worked in contrast with his band personas somehow.

And it just all added up to this certain brand of icon. David Johansen was the best type of rock star. He was many things at once, just like New York City. Okay? I've said that about New York City in the past. It's obvious. But David Johansson was more than just the front man of the New York Dolls. Of course, he was the Buster Poindexter character,

that monster hit from the 80s, hot, hot, hot. He was an actor, most notably as the Ghost of Christmas Past and Bill Murray Scrooge. And I'm sure there's a host of other roles that I'm not thinking of right now that are more indicative of just how awesome David Johansson was. I had a brief, a brief, very brief personal exchange with David Johansson about five years ago. And, you know, I was fully aware of the legend that he is. and I found him just in that moment to be gentle and kind and he just projected this ease about him that was just beyond cool. That's how I would describe it.

So rest in peace, David Johansen, there's been a gazillion obits about him and tributes and a lot more eloquent than what I just laid out to you. And I just tried to give it to you raw and sort of semi off the cuff of how I felt, how I feel, I should say, about David Johansson's place in rock and roll history. And I think if you asked, you asked all the greats, they'd give you something similar to what I just gave you.

David Johansson was a one-of-a-kind artist who broke the mold and he will forever, ever be missed. We also lost Gene Hackman. And, you know, like David Johansson, Gene Hackman was immensely influential, though in ways that are harder to qualify, I think. where Johansson was sort of over the top and burst into our cultural consciousness and these brief impactful moments, leaving a loud mark on music and film. Gene Hackman, to me anyway, was so good and so consistent that it's almost,

it's almost like we took him for granted. Yet there he was. He's in all these great roles year after year. I throw up my childhood, you know, from before my childhood, you know, into my adulthood. Gene Hackman just kind of always there, always pumping out great role after roll, after until he suddenly wasn't. And when he stopped making movies and retired from the public eye about, I guess what, a decade ago, two decades ago, how many of us even really noticed? I know I didn't. I'm ashamed to say. And I say this because a couple of months ago is when I realized this,

when these paparazzi photos of a gaunt-looking Gene Hackman in his 90s were released, He doesn't look anything like we remember him as. And it was at that moment that I realized that he was still around. And I don't know what that's about. Talk about fading away instead of burning out. But again, there's something really interesting there to me about an artist who's just so good and so consistent and so prolific that we take them for granted. and we don't really give ourselves the time and the moments to celebrate them and to really dig in and shout about them and geek out on them and Gene Hackman was just always there.

His filmography is as impressive as almost any other great 20th century actor. I mean, these movies are incredible. French connection, Hoosiers, Bonnie and Clyde, Royal Tenenbaum's, the firm. The firm's great. I know there's going to be cinephiles out there who are like the firm. What are you talking with? The firm's fucking awesome. And he is tremendous and unforgiven.

Even Superman, Mississippi burning, young Frankenstein. And of course, the conversation. Hackman is so good. So, so consistent and so Gene Hackmanee. And all these films, like I said, we take him for granted. At least I do. That's my take. I don't know if you guys feel that way.

And there's just something to be said about that greatness that is so steady. that it goes unnoticed. And that's what I believe Gene Hackman had. And I believe that he had a career that most actors in Hollywood would die for. And that's actually something we need to talk about is how Gene Hackman himself died. We're still figuring it out.

David Johansen died from cancer. Gene Hackman's death alongside his wife, Betsy Arakawa, is still very much under investigation. If you're unaware of what happened, their bodies were found in different parts of their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Autopsy and toxicology reports are still pending. There were pills scattered around the body of Hackman's wife, but not around Gene Hackman himself. Both are believed to have been deceased for as long as a week, possibly a little bit longer,

before they were discovered. When this happened last week, the fact that their dog was found to be dead as well, let everyone to believe that, or to speculate, I should say that this was carbon monoxide poisoning and that's what was to be blamed. But apparently that's been ruled out. There are no signs of trauma to their bodies if we're to believe what's been reported. There's no signs of foul play. But both these deaths are strange. Hackman was 95. Okay, obviously no spring chicken. His wife, though, was 65. How did they both die at the same time in different parts of the house? and what's up with their dog being dead?

12-year-old dog found dead on the scene as well. Anyways, we'll find out, and we'll do something a little more fully on Gene Hackman in the future. And of course, we have a New York Dolls episode that gets into, you know, obviously David Johansson in front of that band, so we do a lot on David Johansson there. But I think there could actually be some sort of David Johansen tribute episode in the future.

There's more to that guy's career than we obviously get into in the New York Dolls episode. and I'm just frankly fascinated by the guy, so I'd love to stick my head in that wormhole for a couple weeks and come out the other side with something cool for you guys to listen to. So maybe we'll do that in the future. And yeah, Hackman, David Johansson, two deaths in the past week.

Heavy stuff. One death mysterious, one death rather uneventful, both sad, but two lives well lived with massive contributions to our culture. Both men will be missed by millions, including, of course, those of us here in disgrace land. Speaking of disgrace about Sean Combs and that lawyer who quit, the TikTok rumor, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, uh, the, the rumor mill

will not quit and, uh, what's being bandied about as the reason why Diddy's attorney bailed. It's, uh, so disgusting. It's so grotesque. I can't repeat it here in the space, but if you want to know my thoughts on it, you can hit me up in the Patreon chat. We can talk about it over there in private, like proper degenerates behind closed doors, privacy of our own digital, digital home. Um, related news to Diddy. Jay-Z is suing the accused. who brought a lawsuit against him through Tony Busby, Jay-Z, suing that accuser for defamation. And as I say, if you go for the king, you better not miss. They missed. And here comes Jay-Z. Speaking of Kings, we got some Dennis Hopper. We got some Stevie Ray Vaughn. Dennis Hopper, of course,

this week's full episode of disgrace, and Stevie Rayvon last week's exclusive episode for our All-Axcess members. We're going to be talking about those guys in this year after party. Before we get to that, I want to talk about what's coming up in disgrace. Next in your feed are our rewerewerewere episodes on Tupac Shakur, and these have particular relevance right now because of Sean Combs as we get ready to go into the Sean Diddy Combs trial in two months? It's right. Two months. May 5th, still on the books.

Okay? So we got a bone up. Got a bone up on our 90s hip-hop true crime. There's really five episodes on the whole Tupac and Biggie saga. When I've started disgraced on the first season, there's a joint episode on Tupac and Biggie, 30 minutes. And then about two years after that, I released two, two-part episodes, one on Tupac himself and one on The Notorious BIG that bookended a season of disgrace land. I think they did. I think they book-ended it. Anyways, they all came out around early 2020. But this Tupac episode, if you have not

heard it, this two-part Tupac episode, you are in for a treat. And like I said, if you have heard it, time to listen again, time to bone up, get ready for this trial. It's coming on Sean Combs in a couple months. And plus, you know, with everything that we've learned about Sean Combs and about Tupac's murder in the last few years. I want to know what you guys think about Tupac's murder. I want to know what you guys think about how I depict it in these episodes. And what else is happening? Oh yeah. Next Tuesday, St. Patty's Day. I know people hate when I say St. Patty's Day, but I don't care. I grew up in Clinton, Massachusetts. You could not be more Irish. You could not be more Catholic. And I know, I know there's purists out there who say that

the Irish, the true Catholics don't say St. Patty's Day. Well, I grew up amongst I'm Catholic myself. I grew up amongst Catholics and we said it, so I'm not going to stop it. Okay? I'm not. St. Patrick's Day there. I said it for you. For St. Patrick's Day, also known as St. Patty's Day. We have a Thin Lizzie episode that's coming up.

That's on Tuesday. That's for you guys to hear. When you're listening to this Thin Lizzie episode, I want you to be thinking about the greatest Irish bands of all time. Okay? You can tell me Dropkick Murfews and I'll take it. All right. I'll accept it. They're great.

I love them. They're amazing. But you're going to get bonus points. for Irish bands, okay? There ain't that many of them. Speaking of Catholics, my priest went to high school with some of the guys from you too.

How cool is that? So I know what his answer is, but I want to know yours. Who is it? Let me know. Be thinking about that when that thin lizzie episode pops next week. I'll be back in a flash right after this with your voicemails, your text, your DMs, emails, and more.

All right, we are back. Just a quick reminder to the Apple podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on so that you're not missing out on any episodes. All right. 617-906-66-36-3-8 to leave me a voicemail and send me a text. Last week's Marilyn Monroe episodes being reround in your feed, we asked the question of, do you think that the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn Monroe's death?

And here is an answer from, who's this from? This is from the 619. Hey, Jake, this is Jesse from the 619. No, it's easy to say that the Kennedys have something to do with Marilyn Monroe's death. I think us as human beings just automatically assume that just because someone was affiliated with someone in a powerful position that, oh, we had to go ahead and take this person out. No, I don't think that was it. I just think that circumstances may have contributed to her death, but me personally, I just don't think it was the Kennedys. Thanks to everything you do for the show

and for getting all this created stuff for us to listen to, man. Thanks. 619. Jesse, I agree with you 100%. I know that's not that interesting. I know the big juicy conspiracy theory is more interesting. But, you know, I think the Kennedy's in a lot of ways we're shits and they did some pretty awful stuff. But I think on balance, especially Bobby Kennedy, I think he was a good dude. And yeah, he may have been in love with Merrill Monroe. But I mean, hey, can you fucking blame the guy? I mean, come on. Does that mean he killed her? I don't think so. I agree 100%. With you take on this, Jesse. We also, you know, we released the Stevie Rayvon episode in our All-A-V-A-Von episode in our All-Axcess members. If you didn't get it in the feed, it's because you're not a member of, you don't have a membership for the All-A-Scess part of Disgracceland. Five bucks a month, by the way. So, a lot of talk about Steve Ravon, which was last month's exclusive episode. I always stumble over how to say that, that went to our All-A-Scess members. And we got this call here regarding Steve Rayvon from Curtis in the 513.

Hey, Jake, this is Curtis from 513. That's Middletown, Ohio. You asked a question about artists who found themselves in a supporting role to another artist. Well, to have a continuation on Stevie Ray Vaughn's story, what I heard a few months ago was that when Stevie Ray left David Bowie's tour, David Bowie went and found another guitarist who happened to be kind of down on his luck at the time and it happened to be Peter Frampton. Research that, but that's what I heard on something.

I forget what it was, but that's a big thing too. Later. Curtis, I never heard that before. I'm not surprised Peter Frampton backing up David Bowie. I could see Bowie throwing Frampton a bone there and bringing him on tour. Sure. But you know, Curtis, I actually have a lot of research I'm already doing. So I'm not, I'm not going to research that as you, as you so politely told me to do. But if anyone else wants to check that out and get back to Curtis and I hear, we will gladly take your hard work and

try to figure this out. Did Peter Frampton support David Bowie after Stevie Ray Vaughan split from Bowie's band? If you want to hear more about how Stevie Rayvon split, what it was like playing with Bowie, all that stuff, you can listen, like I said, to the All Access episode on Steve revan we got to become a member. All right, regarding David Johansson, this voicemail comes from the 415. Easy for you to say, Jake. Hey there, Michael Lane he's calling from San Francisco on a cloudy Saturday afternoon. Just got the news about the passing of David Johansson and I am listening to your dolls episode in sort of humble tribute. to him. People say that

when somebody passes somebody's, oh, a bit of my childhood just passed, and I really feel that way today. I mean, I was one of a handful of people in my high school who does the dolls. I even wrote about it in my school newspaper. And, you know, they were just,

you know, know them, no pistols, no Ramones, no Green Day, you know, none of that. He was a gentleman and a spiritual scholar and a scholar. And a dollar rather um you know i really feel lucky to have seen them at the uh the film or here in san francisco in 2005 six well as the man himself would say let's just dance and uh thanks for what

you guys do keep that Crenshaw's Facebookie going all right four one five michael lane he thank you so much for the for the call yeah you nailed it um uh i said pretty much the same thing at the top of the show i mean i share your sentiments 100 percent on david johansen and the influence that the New York dolls had, specifically that David had himself. He was, I believe, the spark, not to take anything away from the other guys in the band, Johnny Thunders in particular. But I appreciate your sentiment. I appreciate your call. Appreciate the emotion. We're all a little bit raw after the death of David Johansson. 617-90666-36-3-8. You guys want to call me about anything. You want to vent about anything going on in the world. You want to commiserate with our grief over the passing of a

couple legends. We can do that as well. You can hit me on text. You can hit me on voicemail like Michael here and the others. You know, with the David Johansen and Gene Hackman passing, I've talked very little in the last few days. Even in this podcast already, I've talked very little about Dennis Hopper in the episode that we have. So let's go to this voicemail here. This one coming from the 7-8-1 back in Massachusetts. Jake, what up? It's Ish. Hope all as well. Regarding your question of the week, who is the most rock and roll actor in Hollywood? I wouldn't say this person is the most, but he's definitely a bit rock and roll. I'm going to go with Mickey Rourke.

I don't know. Something about him just screams rock and roll. Yeah, that's all I got. Hope all as well. Just go. Ish, appreciate you, man. As always, thanks for the call. I wonder what Dennis Hopper thought of Mickey Rourke.

I think he would share your sentiment there for sure. Mickey Rourke is fantastic. Just what a force. What a force. Pope of Greenwich Village, please tell me you've all seen that. I kind of want to rewatch that right now. Yeah, I do.

Ish, thanks for reminding me. Mickey Rourke, Dennis Hopper, 617-906-66-36-3-8, David Johansson. Wow, Gene Hackman, all the greats are coming out to play today in this after party. Barry from the 904,

in reference to our recent Scorsese episode. Hey, my favorite filmmaker. And this one is tough, but I've got to say Eastwood, same dude who directed Unforgiven, and also with Gene Hackman. Barry, thank you for the text. Guys, I'm going to rapid fire a bunch of these. I might not read the entire text, but I want to get to a bunch of stuff that I haven't gotten to in a while. Jake, this is James from the 318. Stevie Ravon episode was the very definition

of exquisite storytelling. Thanks, James. Appreciate that. James goes on to say as my favorite guitarist, I have two. First, Paul Gilbert, not only is he a shredder of the highest level, but the joy on his face as he burns up and down the fretboard reminds me of why I love music in the first place. I love that. Second, is the recently passed Jordy Walker from the British Post Punk Act killing joke. 318, thanks for the text. Appreciate you, 706. Right saying, hey there, disgrace and folks,

seems like I can't get a break from grief these last few years. It started a few years back by the loss of my father, and I had your podcast to prop up my mind from going to that darker place that we go to and grieving. And this time, it's a little different, but it hurts just the same. My pet of almost 12 years succumb to lymphoma, and that we've been fighting since around my birthday in October. And all I have to say after that is fuck cancer. and anyone who openly opposes any and all forms of treatment to possibly get a cure for it.

Love you guys. Please keep it rolling. 706. I'm sorry for your loss. That sucks. I hope you doing as well as you can be doing with that news. I hope you're enjoying connecting here with the rest of the disco community here in the after party. Hit us up elsewhere if you like.

We're on Instagram at disgrace. We're on X and we are on Facebook. Also, I don't know if you're in the Patreon chat. Hit us up there too. 302 wearing the disgrace and rockerola shirt looks great looking good keep it up this one comes from the 319 hey jake it's jeremy from the 319 have you thought about making an app with all your shows like ashley flowers has that would be cool in an easy way for people who miss badlands when you start it back up keep up the great work 319 appreciate the tip um yeah we've thought about it but we've got something

else cooking that I'm going to talk to you about very shortly. Okay, so just keep an ear glued to the after party. All right, 319, you're going to like what we have to talk about. Lots of best director texts. We got 248 coming in hot with Michael Mann, 805, Scorsese, Kubrick, Kubrick, Kubrick, Kubrick, we should do a Stanley Kubrick episode. That'd be great. 818, writes in Jake, this is a little late, but I wanted to tell you great work on the Scorsese Part 2 episode. and your impression of Marty talking about taking out the producer in the style that he was talking to Travis Bickle while on the cab was pretty fresh.

Since I'm here, I'll just say that along with some of the obvious ones like Scorsese, I've got to put Spike Lee and Guy Ritchie on the fave directors list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love Spike Lee's movies. I really, really truly do.

Guy Ritchie, not as much, but I just haven't spent enough time with them. I will at some point. Something to look forward to. One more here, 808, in regard to the question of the greatest guitarist, I'll answer my personal favorite, is Nuno Betancourt. Nuno from Hudson, Massachusetts, my old neck of the woods. All right, guys, 617-906-66-68 voicemail and text. G.R. Twardowski writes on Instagram, good afternoon. I heard a conspiracy theory this morning that Mindy McCready didn't commit suicide, but that she and her husband were murdered due to

excessive debt. Have you ever heard that? No, I have not. And I am, I don't know, should I be embarrassed to say that I don't know who Mindy McCready is? When you said Mindy McCready, I instantly thought of Mike McCready from Pearl Jam, but Mike McCready, last I checked, is still very much alive. I don't know who you're talking about. If anyone knows who this is or what this is about, and if it's worth looking into, let me know. I am in no way supporting this so-called conspiracy theory. I am in no way saying that I think it's even a conspiracy theory or that there's any validity to it at all.

It's just something that just popped up immediately here in my feed. sorry in my DMs and I'm asking you guys if you know anything about it. So hit me up. At Disgraceland Pod on Instagram. At Disgraceland Pod on X. At Disgraceland Pod on Facebook. Follow us everywhere. Get all of our content.

I communicate all over the place. Paul G. Bateman on Facebook writes, Hey, Jake, it's me, PGB from the 843. Your friendly neighborhood sports therapist and personal trainer. I just watched the documentary on Sly Stone. And I have to say it was the perfect compliment to your episode. Between the two, I feel like I have a better look at the whole picture. Thanks for the hard work.

As always, you asked me about the difference in Hot Tub and Sona, and they are huge. I'm not going to go into the rest here, but let me just say, Paul, I appreciate the info on hot tubs and sauna. Okay, 617-90666-6638 at Disgraceland Pod. Next week's question of the week, who is your favorite Irish band? Your favorite band from Ireland. I want to know 617-906668. VoiceBelt and text at Disgraceland Pod on the socials. I'll be back in a flash.

All right. Welcome back. Disgraceland's story of the week can be any story from your rock and roll past or from rock and roll history in general that you think best represents the rock and roll spirit. And then you want to share with us and then we share it on the internet. Okay, we've been posting these on Instagram, doing these little carousel stories, sort of celebrate you guys and all the rock and roll animalism that you've gotten up to in the past. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com is how to get your story of the week to us. You can also call or send a text. but email seems to be the right medium for this. This week's story of the week comes from Mr. Joe Cromley. Joe writes, and hey, this story is secondhand told to me by the late Mr. Kim Davis,

high school friend of my former wife. He sadly died of a lifestyle-related disease. I have attempted to contact two of the other parties in the story for verification and have not heard back. Here goes. In January, 1977, Kim Davis was day-drinking at an Atlanta strip club named Tattletail, which is still open. There was hardly anyone in the place

and a group of very loud, oddly dressed people came in. Kim ended up speaking with some of them who were clearly British. Kim, y'all from England, Guy. Yes, we've never been to America. We've never really been anywhere. We just got here. Kim, so what are you doing here?

Guy. Well, we're in a band and we're playing a show tonight. Kim, really? What's your band called? Guy? We're called the Sex Pistols. The band played their first U.S. show at a venue called the Great Southeast Music Hall, which was in a strip center next to a bowling alley and a Kmart just up the street from the Tattletail on Piedmont Avenue. And they were staying in a two-story motel called Squire Inn, more or less across the parking lot from the tattletail. And they were killing time before the show

at the nearest bar and the girls there are still hot. Told to me by Kim, I wish I could verify it. If you know how to reach John Leiden or Steve Jones, I'd love to have it corroborated. Thanks, Joe, Atlanta. Joe, appreciate it. And you know, I often say the story of the week is to support the The preservation of the rock and roll animal, the spirit of the rock and roll animal. And I got to say, killing time at a strip club in the afternoon on tour for a rock and roll band is about as rock and roll as it gets. So without the verification, I'm already believing this just based on the details that you've provided here. But hey, if we get a Steve Jones or John Liden, and I've talked to John Liden in the past, and I was actually pitched on having Glenn Matlock on the show a while back. and I just never followed up.

I feel bad about that now that I think about it. But if I ever talk to a sex pistol, I'll be sure to bring up the tattletail. So thank you so much, Joe. Guys, hit me with your story of the week. Email, all right, disgracelandpod at gmail.com and you might get it read here on air.

Appreciate it. And then, like I said, Joe, keep an eye on Instagram tomorrow. We'll have something up and we'll be name checking you and the tattletail. All right. If you want to help the show out,

you can do so by leaving a review on Apple Podcast and or Spotify. As you know, the reviews help the show with Discovery. And every week, I read a review. and if I read your review and you get in touch with me, we'll send you some merch. So this one comes from Pure Sarah Sue. Pure Sarah Sue, show you how diplomatic I am.

This is not a good review. Pier Sarah Sue writes in, all the stories are about dudes. No bad girls allowed, I guess. Pure Sarah Sue is understandably upset about this. Pure Sarah Sue, I've said this before, and I'll say it again, there just isn't all that much true crime from women in the world of music. we've covered a lot as much as I think we can. There's still more we can do.

And I say this, I read this review on purpose today because I'm in the middle of researching the go-go's for a go-go's episode that'll be out in a couple months. So, Pierre-Sar-Soo, if you're listening, if you're still with us, get pumped. Get pumped for that go-go's episode, all right? And I think to all the women out there, it says something about you that you haven't behaved

throughout the past in music history, like as badly as men. I just, I think that's a positive. It may result in a less well-rounded podcast, but I think, you know, on, you know, on balance for humanity's sake anyways, it's a good thing. Over on Spotify, Nackers,

this isn't a review, but Nackers, I still want you to hit me up because I like how you're doing this over here on the comments section in Spotify. Nackers is answering the question of, we prompted from the Dennis Hopper episode, which is who is the most rock and roll actor from Hollywood. And Nackers writes in, Charlie Sheen, end the discussion. You know, hard to argue with

that one. Hard to argue with that behavior. I don't even know if I, the only way you can argue that is to argue, was that behavior even rock and roll or is it just so freaking over the top? We can't even categorize it. Charlie Sheen, still alive. I think he's got a new series coming out, or it's out or something. 617-906-66-3-8. Send a voicemail, leave me a text. You can leave a review for the show on Apple Podcasts and or Spotify. We really appreciate it. This episode, guys, it's coming to an end. But the after party, it's going to continue for the All Access members, okay? Remember earlier I was talking about that Stevie Rayvon episode. You might have me sneak in there that you also, in addition to getting that extra bonus episode per month, like Steve Rayvon episode, you also get a little bit more

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We are back. We mentioned a couple different archive episodes in this here, bonus up. Talked obviously about David Johansson, so New York Dolls. Talked about the Ramones. Talked about you two. Who am I forgetting? I'm not sure. But for those three episodes, Matt's going to have the archive.

information, the episode information, excuse me, on these archive episodes in the show notes for this here, bonus app. So if you guys want to find those, you'll be able to find them. All right, I want your story. Call me. I want your story of the week. Okay, text me. Call me 617-90666-3638 or text me, leave me a voicemail. Hit me up at Disgraceland Pod. Give me your story of rock and roll animalism, either something you heard or something you experienced firsthand. And your story might be the story of the week. That is number one on our recap. Number two on our recap is right now in our feed, our episode on Dennis Hopper number three coming tomorrow, our rewind episodes on Tupac Shakur. And coming next Tuesday, our brand new episode on Thin Lizzie, number four,

merch winners get in touch, you know who you are, number five. Remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do in that well. That's just a disgrace, all right? This week's episode subject, Dennis Hopper died on May 29th, 2010, and in honor of the man they called Hop, this is the Billboard top 10 from the day he died. Number one, OMG, Usher, featuring Will I Am. Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, seven.

Number two, California girls. Katie Perry featuring Snoop Dog. Last week, non-applicable. Peak position, two, weeks on chart, one. Number three, airplanes, B-O-B featuring Haley Williams. Last week, five. Peak position, three, weeks on chart, five. Number four, nothing on chart.

On you, B-O-B featuring No Mars. Last week, three. Peak position. One. Weeks on chart. 16. Number five. Break your house.

Tail crews featuring Lincris. Last week. Talking and start mixing. Kunt!