DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Sanitized Biopics, California Wildfires, and Underrated Rock Stars

Episode Date: July 31, 2025

This week in the After Party, Jake looks further into the CASSM (Corporate Algorithmic Studio Storytelling Machine) and explores the reasons behind the sanitized versions of music history that are served up everywhere but in Disgraceland. Plus, an update on the developments in the California wildfire benefit story, and your voicemails and DMs! On Tuesday, we're bringing you part 2 of our story on hip hop legends Run-DMC and Jake wants to know: Who is the most influential rap group of all time? Share your thoughts at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. To listen to an extended version of the After Party and hear Jake's thoughts on the truth behind Bob Dylan's motorcycle accident, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 178- ⁠Bob Dylan pt 1 Episode 227 Bob Dylan pt 2 Episode 209 - Martin Scorsese and the Band To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the disgrace land bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show. The party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about this week's full episode subject on Mark Lanigan.

We're rewinding back to our Jay-Z episode, previewing our upcoming episode on Run DMC, part two on Run DMC, where we dive deep, into the death of Jammaster Jay. We get into your voicemails, texts, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history

is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told the kind you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. Okay, a couple of weeks ago, we talked about the problem that we as music obsessives face, the problem of not being able to get our hands

on the real stories from music history. I jokingly refer to the villain that prevents us from getting these stories as chasm, the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. And wouldn't you know, just five, six days ago, the New York Times Magazine ran a story called, here's the title, called Rocks Legends Were Messy.

You'd never know that from today's movies. Subtitle, people used to eat up salacious stories of rock and roll excess. Now they're the last things filmmakers want to touch. The article then goes on to make our point about chasm in great detail. It posits it because there's now so much money tied to the publishing of artists songs. You heard about Dylan's selling his catalog for $250 million, Springsteen for $300 million, I think, because there's so much money tied to the publishing of these

artists songs that the labels, the big publishers now own, the biopics now serve as the engines that drive the streams and the sale of the music that in a lot of cases, like I just said, is now owned again by the publisher slash record labels. The point being, what is someone more likely to watch? A cookie cutter story about an artist following a predictable path to stardom, then crashing, then overcoming whatever challenge is brought on that crash, usually some combination of past childhood, trauma, drug, and or alcohol abuse and forbidden love to make a comeback, to thrive, and to live happily ever after.

Or, perhaps, is the following. more interesting. A story that gets into all the nasty little bits to make up more of a complete picture of the artists. Not just the drug use, but the dark reality of the drug use. The consequences on a human, emotional level, and the dirty and often fascinating and incongruent details that dot the lives of artists and help explain why their music is so compelling in the first place. The latter example is indeed messier as the writer of this New York Times magazine article points out, but I would argue, and I know you guys agree with me because why else would you be here, that the latter example, the messier option, is the more interesting option.

But the filmmakers, they treat us like children, like we can only handle the safe story, and they're wrong. And actually, as someone who's been brought into pitches with streamers for the past five years to get them to buy real stories for music history, I can tell you firsthand, this isn't ultimately the problem of the filmmakers. Sure, they're making these stories, but they only tell the stories that the studios will allow them to tell. Again, Kazim, the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. In the New York Times magazine article, the writer kind of puts the blame on you guys, the music fans, and sort of makes the point that music fans don't want the real stories because the stories are too messy, like he says.

He makes the false equivalence of the messy story being something akin to the salaciousness of behind the music, but that's bullshit. You can tell you. tell stories about messy human beings and not be salacious at the same time. And sure, I've been salacious with our stories in the past, but when you're talking about Motley Crew, you really don't have another option. When you're talking about Bob Dylan or Brian Wilson, on the other hand, you can get down with the dirty details and present them in a human way and in an upmarket way without being salacious. And if I can do this, as I've demonstrated over and over again in hundreds of podcast episodes, and modern day filmmakers can do this too. We know because there are great

music biopics, whether it's the emotional rawness of coal miner's daughter or the fantastic fever dream creativity of Gainsburg or heroic life, these films are fantastic. And they're about messy artists, and they don't shy away from those messes. And then there's Oliver Stones, the doors, which manages to be both salacious and poetic. Admittedly poetic in a 10th grade poetry class kind of way, but still, that's who Jim Morrison was. He was salacious and he was poetic in a kind of adolescent way. In the New York Times Magazine article, the writer says, of the Bob Dylan biopic, a complete unknown. He says, a complete unknown, for instance, skirts the speedy, druggy side of Dylan's early work. Now, in the bonus section of this episode right

here, we're going to talk about the quote unquote, speedy, druggy side of Bob Dylan that was left out of a complete unknown. And we're going to get into my thoughts on whether or not Bob Dylan actually got into that famous motorcycle accident that sidelined his career in the 1960s. And whether or not that story about the motorcycle crash is yet another rock and roll myth that needs busting. This isn't solely about whether Dylan wrecked his bike. It's about who gets to control the narrative of one of the greatest American artists of all time. Is it chasm or is it us? This is why we dig into these stories. Okay. That's coming up later in the show for our all access members. Go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership now to become a member for less than the

cost of a cup of bad coffee and unlock more storytelling from disgrace. And also, you're going to get ad-free listening. Access to your fellow discos and myself and the Patreon community chat, a whole bunch of stuff, just five bucks. All right. Switching gears. An update on the LA Fire Aid, California Wildfires charity concert scandal, quote-unquote scandal that we discussed last week.

Of course, this has become political in the last week with a California congressman and even the president tweeting about this issue, calling it a scam, et cetera. Now, is this the scam they're claiming it to be? No. Is this all on the up and up? No. As usual, the truth is nuanced. The politics aside, in response to us, to you guys actually, to the discos and others online

who were onto this story before the politicians, Fire Aid, the organization responsible for dispersing the money raised by that charity concert we talked about last week, Fire Aid has now on its website and in an L. LA Times article provided information on where some of the money has gone. Again, $700 million was raised. $75 million has been doled out to nonprofits. Very little of that has gone directly to the people impacted by the LA wildfires. Okay. Now, fire aid has come out, again, like I said, on their website and in an LA Times article, and they provided information on where

some of the money has gone. They don't talk specifically about how much, but they do, As I mentioned in an Instagram post earlier this week, some $1,000 payments, some $15,000 payments. And as far as I can tell, of the numerous nonprofits responsible for doling out the $75 million, only a small handful, two by my account, have actually given money directly to the victims. Now, I might have read the website wrong. I might have read the LA Times article wrong. I don't think I did. Okay?

So what we have here is an organization came and came out and said, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. We're not totally guilty of what you're saying. we're guilty of. Here's some proof that we did, we did give some direct pay. They don't say how much. They say a $15,000 payment to this person, these people, excuse me, a thousand dollar payments to these people, but they don't come out and say of the $75 million, you know, $70 million has been given directly to victims or even $40 million or whatever. They don't do that. Yet it's all, it's all presented as if everything's on the up and up. Now, obviously, there's a ton more information. need so that we can figure out how this money has been dispersed. And of course, the fact that the

organizers are playing this all off as quote unquote misinformation, that's what they call it, that does not bode well. All right, we know how to read and we know you're not telling the whole truth. Now, my gut has been that over the coming days and weeks, these other nonprofits who are responsible for dispersing the money will get their act together and start being transparent about where the money has gone or is going and start making an honest effort to directly get the funds to the victims if they have not gotten there. I mean, it could turn out where they just all of a sudden show up tomorrow and they're like, bam, here's an accounting where all the money went and you guys just haven't had the information. But I don't think that's going to happen. And I just did a quick Google as I was putting the show notes together for this episode to see if I missed anything on this story from the last time I checked in on it.

And about 15 hours ago, Billboard reported that Fire Aid has hired lawyers to review the distribution of this money from the nonprofit. So there you go. They're covering their ass in a good way.

This is a good thing. Fire Aid should want an accounting of the money. This is good news. And hopefully the majority of the money raised from the concert gets to the people. That's the important part here, okay?

And for the record, I don't think this money would have moved without public pressure from citizens like yourselves, turning the heat up online on fire aid. So if you tweeted about it, if you shared my Instagram video or you were one of the many who commented on it and tagged your local representatives, then great job. Look at that. We're activists all of a sudden.

Not really. I want no part of that racket. All I want to be an activist for is good storytelling, good music storytelling. The kind of storytelling is so true that they want to keep it buried. The kinds of stories you want to tell three chords in the truth, as Joe Strummer said, after he stole that line from Harlan Howard. All right. When we come back, I'm going to give you an update on our stories. disgrace land and get into this week's question of the week with your voicemails text dms and more

there's two golden rules that any man should live by rule one never mess with a country girl you play stupid games you get stupid prizes and rule two never mess with her friends either we always say that trust your girlfriends i'm anna sinfield and in this new season of the girlfriends oh my god this is the same man a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care.

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All right. All right. Is our new episode on Mark Landigan. You need to listen to that episode. If you want to know about the singer-songwriter who not only procured drugs for Kurt Cobain, but who influenced Kurt's songwriting as well. Lanigan, one of the most underrated rock stars in the 90s, and we're doing our best to keep his story alive.

So check that episode out. Even if you've never heard Mark Landigan, or you've never heard the screaming trees. It doesn't matter. It's a great rock and roll story. You're going to love it. All right, coming up next to your feed, we're rewinding to our Jay-Z episode.

I wanted to get this one a spin in the rewind slot this week because it's a nice dip into what hip-hop became in the wake of that first or first-slash-second generation run DMC. Jay-Z is at the top of the mountain of hip-hop stars that he has been since the early 2000s. You're going to hear about not only his rise to the top, but also the violent incident that almost derailed his career, a career that is incomparable and was no doubt inconceivable to someone like Jamaster Jay from Run DMC back when he was a Queens B-Boy starting out.

And Jay, the other Jay, Jay Z, like I said, is at the top of his game in the early 2000s when it all fell apart for Jam Master Jay. We get into where Jam Master Jay was and his career. and who was encircling him when he was murdered, all in our new part two episode on Run DMC that's coming on Tuesday, okay? When you're listening to that new Run DMC episode, be thinking about who's the most influential hip-hop group

of all time? Was it Run DMC? That's going to be next week's question of the week. Lots to choose from. And again, group, hip-hop group. Don't come back with L.L. Cool J. Public enemy? Sure.

Don't say Chuck D. Okay? Say Public enemy. if that's who you think. It could be the Beastie Boys. I don't know. I don't know who you think of. Most influential hip-hop group of all time.

That's going to be the question of the week next week. All right. But back to this week's question in our episode on Mark Lannigan. Mark is no longer with us, but I am. However, and I am alone. I'm, you know, I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone waiting for your answers on this week's question of the week

on relative to Mark Lannigan, of course, your thoughts on who the most underrated rock stars are, the most underrated singer-songwriters. Yeah, really rock stars. Okay, like I said, we talked about the replacement, so I'm not looking for groups who didn't make it as far as we thought they should have. I'm talking about rock stars.

It's different. Lanigan was born a rock star. Whether he ever made music, that dude was a rock star, okay? Let's check out this voicemail on that question from the 540. Actually, Mr. Brennan and Mr. Wendy, I have kind of a combo for you guys. All right, we wanted to talk about,

Let's go ahead and just talk about Jerry Reed. I mean, obviously, just a massive, massive musical, if you will. I mean, we're talking, he found a down, the legend, guitar man, which, by the way, Elvis Presley covered. And, and couldn't get the guitar sound right. Finally looked at somebody and said, man, I can't get it to sound like that. Jerry Reed, guys.

used to get Jerry Reed to play on it. Says who played on the Elth Specially record for him. Huh. But anyway, no one given him credit for being a great songwriter. Also, we've got a connection to. It is, he's also a great bogey star. Exactly. Smoking the band, obviously.

One and two and three. Three subs, but that's okay. And I believe it's White Lightning, which was the trilogy with Burr-Burno Gator and he played Famo McCall and that was one of the most genius bad guys in the whole world. I mean, he nailed that. That was great. He also made a movie where he played another bad guy, except this one had Walter Mathout

and Robin Williams in it. And I believe it's called The Survivors. And he, like the beginning of the movie, Jerry Reed Robbs a store or something, I don't know, but, Walter Matthew and Rob Williams, they see him, and they can identify him trying to kill. But there you go. Like I said, we've got both covered, you know, musically and in the movies. But, yeah, Jerry Reid, very underrated. Damn, all right, 540, you know, as I'm listening to that voicemail, I'm thinking only a disgrace

I'm listening would be able to go from Mark Lanigan to Jerry Reed. I love this answer. And you know why? because I underrate Jerry Reed, and I know he's underrated. We all know Jerry Reed as The Snowman, right? That's his character's name from Smoking the Bandit. But as the 540 points out, that dude was a great songwriter and an absolute assassin on the guitar,

wrote the great Eastbound and Down, not the television series, which is also great, but the song Eastbound and Down, which my friends in Midland do a great cover of, by the way. 540, call me back, tell me which Jerry Reed album to start with. I've heard the hits, but if you can recommend one album, which would it be? All right, let's check out the 518, who is indirectly connecting a topic from a caller last week with this week's question of the week about underrated singer-songwriters,

underrated rock stars. Play the 5-18. Hey, Jake, David, the 5-18 fellow James L-Write fan. You're talking about Root Boy Slim, and unless you lived through Root Boy Slim shows, you ain't saying nothing. That guy. That was phenomenal. I mean, he had the worst voice in the world, but the songs were awesome. The persona was awesome. Just unbelievable. I would suggest any one of his three, I think I've got three, maybe four of his albums,

great songs like Boogie Tea of Huke was like his first kind of minor regional hit, a lot of people got. But songs like World War III, Inflatable Doll about his love affair with his, you know, Miss Pollyethylene, unbelievable musicians that would be. They were just all incredible, overshadowed by the one big personality the Roo Boy was. Love your show. Rock and roll. All right, Boogie to you puke. I'll take your word for it and check out Rube Boy Slim.

This is all news to me. I don't know how I miss this entire Rubey Slim thing. No clue, but I thank you for it. I got a feeling I'm going to get dirty when I dive into this. I got a feeling it's going to be a rabbit hole. It's going to be hard to climb out of. I got a feeling we're going to have some Rubey Slim content coming your way at some point in the near future. Thank you, 518. Appreciate you digging in. Let's check in north of the border,

play the 705. Hey, it's Derek McLean calling from Canada, a 705 area. And I just wanted to put in my two cents worth for a very underrated singer-songwriter, Matthew Sweet, rocking it out, wrote some great songs, also played so many instruments in the studio on a couple of his albums. he was on bass, he was on drums, he was on guitar. Just some incredible songwriting. So shout out to Matthew Sweet, and you're doing a great job. I love every episode. Cheers.

Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that the Canadians love Matthew Sweet or A Canadian loves Matthew Sweet, that album cover, that woman in that big fur coat or whatever she's wearing, girlfriend, great record. Also, sick of myself. Another great song. I don't think it's on that album, though. I'm guessing 705 that if you're a Matthew Sweet fan, you're a Fridi Johnson fan as well. Get back. Let me know.

617-906-66-66-3-8. You want to send me a voicemail. You want to send me a text. You want to get in on any of our questions of the week. That's how you do it. You want to tell me about a story. I don't know. You got something. You get a line on something. You've been digging into the music history research. You got something you want to share with me. An artist, we should cover a story I should know about, like this Rubeboy Slim thing we've been talking about. Hit me up. Let me know. It might turn into a disgrace in an episode. 617-906-66-36-38 voicemail and text 318. 318 gets in here with, Hey, Jake, the Lanigan episode really hit home with me.

Mark's voice was the embodiment of late nights, empty bottles of bourbon and overflowing ashtrays. And he used to create, as you say, great music. As for underrated rock stars, I have to go with someone who is actually mentioned on the Lanigan episode, Greg Dooley of the Afghan Whigs, as an intensely personal songwriter with the howl of a lonely Ali-cat. He was the most combustible figure to arise from the 90s alt-rock scene.

The Afghan Wig's Gentleman album has been on regular rotation with me since its release, and I still maintain it's the most under-recognized classic of that era. Anyway, the Lannigan episode was a top-notch production from beginning to end. All the best in Rocka-Rola, Jim from the 318. Jim from the 3-18, I could not agree with you more. Gentlemen is incredible. No skips. Instant classic. Great fucking record. And Dooley could sing his ass off. So good. So good. It's also got a great bar in L.A. I wonder if it's still there. I think it was called The Shortstop. Had a good night there once. All right. What else we got here? We got a text here from Lainey, one of our favorite longtime discos texting in some cool videos of her son,

portraying Johnny Cash on stage in a local production from Lany's neck of the woods. Lainey's son is killing it. You're going to have to take my word for it. And we would expect nothing less from the son of a disco portraying none other than the badass Johnny Cash. Nice work, Lainey. way to raise them up right. 910, text in, hey, this is Brian of the 910 area code, was just wanting to answer your question about what artist is underrated and I have to say the artist's name is Tori Amos.

She was at the peak of her fame during the early 90s and didn't get played enough in my honest opinion. And what do you know about her? Thanks. Well, I don't know much about Tori Amos, except that I love the song, Cornflake Girl. Great song. I want to listen to that right now.

I want to listen to Cornflake Girl. I want to listen to Sick of Myself by Matthew Sweet. I want to listen to gentlemen by Afghan Whigs. You guys got a good little 90s vibe rocking these texts and voicemails. I appreciate you. 910. If you have any info on Toriamos, if you know something, I don't know, get on back at us. 617-90666-6-6-36-3-8 for the rest of you too.

If you want to be part of the show next week, get in touch with your answers to next week's question of the week. Who's the greatest hip-hop group of all time? And, Ann, I want your recommendations on what stories we should cover. Is it, rude boy? slim is it somebody else what stories have been buried that need telling dig all right your voice helps uncover what got buried and your takes as you know propel me into the dark corners of music history so keep them coming like we said a couple weeks ago i'm gonna keep saying it dig baby dig all right 617 906 666 638 get in touch i'll be back in a flash there's two golden rules that any man

should live by rule one never mess with a country girl you play You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And Rule 2, never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck.

I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe.

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I'd rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance. Like he's about to attack me. Like making karate noises. And the entire the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going,

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A little too verbose on that. one. Better luck next time. All right, that was the sports rant sponsored by five-hour energy's new transfusion flavor with as much caffeine as a premium cup of coffee with zero sugar and a compact bottle. Five-hour energy is ready when and where you are, even if you're not a golfer like me. So grab your crew, get your energy, and tee off with five-hour energy's new transfusion flavor, available in stores or online at www.5hourenergy.com. Now, I started watching what I think is going to be a great series last night on the old Netflix machine. And I wanted to tell you guys about it, American Prime Evil, created by Peter Berg, who wrote the opening episode, directed it.

I imagine he's directed a bunch and written a bunch. I love Peterberg, loved episode one of this new series. And I'm watching Set in the 1800s in Utah. And given that I just got back from Montana, this is hitting me perfectly. What a beautiful part of the country, guys. A unique part of the country, too. I'm reading, I think I mentioned this last week, I'm reading Tom McGuane's Nobody's Angel, which is set in Montana. And I don't know if I love the story. I love the pros or parts of it, but oftentimes the best part of it is the pros about Montana. But sometimes the pros is just overwhelming the story. Now, I'm not sure, like I said, how good this book is, but, you know, I am sure about how great that part of the country is Montana, Utah, just gorgeous.

And yeah, I don't know. That's where I'm at on the reading front. And on the listening front, we're still in the midst of our turnstile summer here in the Brennan household with every family member walking around the house randomly shouting, never enough. And, you know, hoping to go see him in a couple weeks. They're playing close by. Going to hopefully bring the family, the whole wife, kids, the whole shebang. And now, you know, like I said, when we were just in Montana, we're taking the chairlift up to the top of the mountain, a big sky and taking in that incredible view. And we were rocking that song as we were doing it. my kids love it.

Very cool moment. And I don't know, man. You know, turnstile, not anything new for people in the hardcore scene, but this record is transcendent. And if you've never dipped into this genre before, check it out. You might find yourself as a new fan. All right, I'm babbling.

I started this block talking about Peter Berg's new TV show, thinking it would give me an occasion to talk about Peter Berg in Copeland, which is a great movie, one of my favorites, which would then allow me an easy transition into some movie talk so I could pimp out our other podcast, Hollywoodland, where, just like in Disgraceland, we on earth hard to find stories, but they're about Hollywood icons, not musicians. And they're, of course, mixed up in all kinds of true crime antics. And that show is available in the Hollywood land feed with episodes on Robert Downey Jr., Jane Mansfield, Jack Nicholson, Sharon,

and a ton more. And myself and Zeth Lundy, whose show runs Hollywoodland. Every week, we do a bonus episode called Rap Party. We get in all kinds of Hollywood-inspired movie and music wrecks. Go to the Hollywoodland feed on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast and subscribe. Okay, disgrace land, as you know, is for the obsessed, the overlooked, the outsiders. If that's you, then you're already one of us. And if you want more storytelling, the buried stuff, the stories of chasm and the powers of beer are too scared to tell. If you want revelation, if you want reckoning, if you want reclamation, then disgrace land

all access is for you. It's just five bucks a month. So for less than the cost of a cup of bag coffee, you get the episodes that we couldn't fit into the main feed. the Dylan motorcycle crash myth that we're diving into next in the exclusive section of the after party. You're also going to get ad-free disgrace land and Hollywood land. An exclusive full episode every month. Access to me and your fellow discos in the private community chat. So if you're obsessed and you know you are, go to www.discuracelessland.com slash membership and join the all-access disco crew today because this isn't

just content people. It's a community and you belong here. I will see you in the Patreon chat. All right, guys. We are back. About to close. up the shop here in the after party. We talked, as we always do every week, about a bunch of different musicians who came up in this story. Robbie Robertson, Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Kirk Cobain, Serge Gainsberg, Motley Crew. We mentioned all of them. Matt will have the episode information in the show notes of this here, Bonus Up, so you can easily find the Rob, the band episode, the two Dylan episodes, Johnny Cash, Kirk Cobain, Serge Gainsberg, Motley Creek, you can easily find those stories if you're so interested. All right, let's recap. And then I

got to get out of here. I got to go eat. Number one, this week's full episode on Mark Landigan. That's live right now. Number two, next up in your feed, we're rewinding our JayZ episode. Number three, next week, our part two episode on Run DMC, our Jam MasterJ episode. We get into the death of Jam MasterJ. Number four on Hollywoodland.

Right now, our episode on Robert Downey Jr., number five, 617-9066638. Voicemail and text. DM me at DiscracelandPod on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and X, DisgracelandPod at gmail.com to email. Listen to your voice helps uncover. Listen to your voice helps uncover what gets buried. Your takes propel me into the dark corners of music history. So keep them coming. Dig baby dig now that the night is over. Number six, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace.

All right. This week's new episode subject, Mark Lannigan, passed away back on February 22nd, 2022. Here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, we don't talk about Bruno, Carolina Gaten, Mara Castillo. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, seven. Number two, do we have a problem? Nicky Minaj and Lil Baby. Last week, non-applicable. Peak position, two, weeks on chart, one. Number three, easy arms. Adel. Last week, two.

Peak position. One. Weeks on chart. 18. Number four. Heat waves. Last week. Three.

Peak position. Three. Weeks on charm. 56. Number five. Stay. The kid Leroy and Justin B. Last week.

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