DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode - Suffering Souls, Subversion, and More Great Girl Groups

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

This week in the After Party, Jake is thinking about the connection between psychopathy, artistry, and trauma. So many great artists are also undeniably damaged people. Is their trauma at the root of both their artistry and their disgraceful behavior? Plus, we hear more from you on great girl groups! Next week, we're bringing you the terrifying story of Bjork and an obsessed fan , and Jake wants to know: What is the most wild and deranged story of obsessive fandom in music history? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 12 - ⁠James Brown Episode ⁠155 and ⁠215 - Sean "Diddy" Combs To hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.disgracelandpod.com/merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GET THE NEWSLETTER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (formerly Twitter)  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode,

we are talking about this week's full episode subject on Marilyn Manson. We are previewing the coming Bjork episode talking about the worst bands of the 90s, and we go through your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. So I'm reading this great book called Maidens by Alex Mikalidis. I think that's how you pronounce his name. Apologies, Alex, if I got that wrong. It's one of those modern-day Agatha Christie type who done it books that we've talked about. here, books I love, books I know a bunch of you love as well. And last night I came across this passage that I thought was super relevant to the music in true crime storytelling that we're doing

here. It's short. I'm going to read it to you now. It says, a long time ago, psychopathy used to be called simply evil. People who were evil, who took delight in hunting or killing others, were written about ever since Medea took an axe to her children, and probably long before that. The word psychopath was coined by a German psychiatrist in 1888, the same year Jack the Ripper terrorized London. From the German word, psychopastiche, literally meaning suffering soul. For Mariana, that's the character in the book, for Mariana, this was the clue, the suffering, the sense that these monsters were also in pain. Thinking about them as victims allowed her to be more rational in her approach and more compassionate. Psychopathy or sadism never appeared from nowhere.

It was not a virus infecting someone out of the blue. It had a long prehistory in childhood. And that's the end of the passage. So basically what that quote is telling us and what medical history is telling us is that psychopaths are not born. They're baked in childhood from the suffering that these people experience from their own past trauma. Now in all, almost every episode that we've covered here where we dive into a musician's past, particularly the more psychotic musicians, the ones who have allegedly killed like Jerry Lee Lewis, those who are sexually abusive megalomaniacs like Diddy, the psychotically ambitious, like Madonna, the violently drug crazed like James Brown. And every one of those cases

we find in our research suffering as the quote. quote that I just read to you says. Now, as always, I'm not excusing these quote-unquote suffering souls. I'm simply trying to understand them. And like I've always said, what made James Brown carry a shotgun cross-country police chase and violently abuse women while fueled on crazy amounts of drugs. Okay? What made him do that is the same thing that made one of the greatest musicians in the history of the world. The fact that he was raised in a whorehouse and disciplined as a young boy by being held upside down in a burlap bag and beaten with a wooden stick. Without that trauma, you don't get the drive to become the hardest working man in show business. And you don't get that artistry. And you

don't get the psychotic behavior either. Same goes for the rest of the musicians that I mentioned. Now, for those of you who are new to disgrace to this week, again, we're not trying to excuse the behavior of these musicians, we're just trying to understand it. So to this week's episode subject, Marilyn Manson, that quote that I read you says that before they had the word psychopath, they just called those who willingly hurt others evil. The introduction of the word introduced the concept of suffering and thus the possibility, I guess, of further understanding.

We all understand evil. It's black and white. Psychopathy is a little more gray, a little bit more gray, a little more complicated. Now, do I think Diddy is a psychopath? Yes. Do I let Diddy off the hook for what he's done? No. Do I understand why he did it? Yeah, I kind of do. As you can tell from the two full Sean Combs episodes that we've released, particularly part two that delts into his history and the murder of his father by a notorious Harlem gangster, that trauma, that suffering, it not only allows us to understand what these artists have done, but it also, in some cases, not in all, but in some

cases drives the artists to contrition, to empathy. But what about this week's subject, Marilyn Manson? Was his behavior that we detailed in this episode psychotic? Yes. Was there past suffering in his life? Trauma? Debatable. Now, I was struck when reading Marilyn Manson's autobiography by the fact that there's nearly zero examples of the artist's humanity. Quite the opposite. Inhumanity is one of the goals of the artists. In the one time that the artist, that Marilyn Manson bends toward humanity,

it's for completely selfish reasons, if we're to believe him. Because he believes that being humane will help him with his art. So what does that make Marilyn Manson? Well, it makes him unique amongst all the subjects that we've covered. But does his lack of humanity, does his striving for inhumanity, not only make him a psychopath, but instead make him evil, truly evil? I don't know the answer to that, but I hope the answer is no. I'm always rooting for the comeback, just like Don Covey and a certain Jewish carpenter.

I'm always rooting for mercy. Part of what I think is going on here with Marilyn Manson is, I think, you know, in his autobiography, I think he's a bit of an unreliable narrator. He's trying, I was about to say desperately, but not desperately. He's trying in the autobiography to paint a picture of a different type of artist, and he does a damn good job in doing that. Now, what we think of that artist is a completely different story. There's been a ton of hate and anger directed at Marilyn Manson in our social posts this week, and I get it. I get the anger. But one poster commented that Marilyn Manson, a.k.a. Brian Warner has cleaned himself up.

In my research, I've come across next to no examples of empathy for Marilyn Manson. I hope it exists. I hope it's there. If anyone's a fan, hit me up, let me know. Let me know what I don't know. Okay. If Brian Warner has had some sort of redemption beyond getting just back on the road and filling stadiums and getting his career going again, if he's changed in any demonstrably humane ways, I want to know. So hit me up, 617-90666-6638 on voicemail and text or at Disgrace Landpod on the socials. We'll keep the Marilyn Manson conversation at a low hum.

We'll keep that going, try and figure this out, try and get more into it. Because, you know, love him or hate him, you just can't get around the fact that he's a fascinating individual. All right. Speaking of fascinating individuals like yourselves, this week, for those of you who we're new here, let me break it down for you. Okay, let me break it down for you what we do here, all right? On Tuesdays, we release a new full scripted sound design episode of disgrace land, our bread and butter, so to speak, like we just did this past Tuesday with Marilyn Manson. On Thursdays, we

release these after-party bonus episodes where we discuss the full episode and where I take your calls and texts relative to the full episodes, question of the week, which gets asked the week prior and at the end of the full episodes. On Fridays, we dip into our archive of over 235 full episodes and relaunch a previously released episode. Okay, it's like when that TV show that you used to watch back in the day would air a rerun, okay? We call these rewind episodes. We do this because we have so many damn episodes. All right. It helps expose new listeners to some of our past hits. Occasionally those rewind episodes that we release on Fridays are part of a multi-episode story. And in that case, we released both parts, one and two over the weekend, which is what we are doing this Friday and this Saturday with our rewind episodes on the Rolling Stones at Altamont and the Rolling Stones in exile.

These are two of my favorite episodes on one of my favorite bands of all time. And I cannot wait for you guys to hear them. If you have not already, if you have, I can't wait for you to re-listen and get your deeper insight when we talk again next week. Now, next week on Tuesday is our new episode. Our next new episode. episode on Bjork and the truly psychotic man, not a musician, truly psychotic man who tried to murder her, okay? This is our swing at one of those old school 90s obsession suspense thrillers, all right? That's what we tried to do in this episode. So when you're listening to that episode, guys, be thinking about, is the Bjork story, the wildest story of obsession and deranged fandom in music history? It's pretty fucking deranged.

as you shall hear. But if it's not the most arranged, or if it is, either way, I want to hear your thoughts on it. 617-9-0-6-66-6-6-36-3-8 voicemail and text with your answers. And you might hear yourself on next week's after-party. All right. I'm going to take a quick break. Going to drink some tea. Going to give my voice a rest. I'll be back in a flash, though, with your calls, text, and DMs on last week's question of the week of the most subversive artists of the 1990s back right after this. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl.

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New episodes drop every Monday on the exactly right network. Listen to wicked words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, we are back. And as I say, every week, you know where I'm at. I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I am hanging on the telephone.

617-9066638. You want to get your voicemails into me. You want to get your text into me. 617-90666-6-3-8 real quick before we get into the calls and the text and the emails and all that. Please, Apple podcast listeners, those of you who are new, especially new Apple podcast listeners, make sure you have auto downloads turned on for this show for disgrace. And that way you don't miss an episode ever. All right.

Last week, we released our episode on The Go-Go's. And we followed that up on Friday with a rewind episode. on Madonna. The Go-Go's episode prompted this conversation of the greatest girl groups of all time. And we went through some lists that we found online. And strangely enough, despite having, despite being the only group of female musicians in the history of the world who had a number one album, the Go-Go's were left off a lot of those lists. And you guys clearly were, want to talk about that. and you want to talk about some of the greatest girl groups of all time in addition to the go-goes. And I want to give you guys a little more space here on this subject.

So let's check out this voicemail from Katie in the 414. 414. Yeah, I know it's a 9-20 number, but I'm a transplant. Anyway, I'm late to the game for the best all-female rock bands of all time. But after listening to the after-party, I am so disappointed that Sanny was not even part of the conversation. They were self-taught musicians and wrote all their own music. They were the first all-female band to put out a full-length album on a major label, which was none other than the Beatles label Apple Records.

And they were the first all-female bands to achieve a top 40 hit in 1971. They were one of David Bowie's faker bands. And he said about them, quote, they were one of the finest fucking rock bands of their time. They were extraordinary. They wrote everything. They played like motherfuckers. They were just colossal and wonderful, and nobody ever mentions them.

They're just as important as anybody else who's ever been, and ever it just wasn't their time all that evidence and a boeing endorsement they absolutely deserve a top spot on that greatest of all times list you definitely got to check them out later katie this is why i love discos this is why i love the disgrace sameless series i have never ever even heard of fanny i've never heard of fanny unbelievable i just looked them up while i was listening to your call and i can't wait to listen to them thank you so much Apple Records, so you know it's going to be real. David Bowie endorsement, and for all the reasons you just mentioned. Katie, thank you so much. Everyone else, get into Fannie, give him a spin, get back to us, get back to Katie, let us know what you think. 617-90666-6-6-36-38 voicemail and text.

812 calls in with the following voicemail. Hey, Jake, I'm sorry, trying this one more time because I am awkward on the phone. I just wanted to point out the slips. and that contributed a lot to punk rock specifically. And then the other person I wanted to point out, not an all-girl group, but as a front woman that hasn't been mentioned is polystyrene from the x-ray specs. I feel like they deserve a mention regardless of how awkward I am. And, yeah, that's it.

Thank you so much. 812, not awkward at all. Your voicemails are always welcome here. Thank you. And I have to admit, I think we did, I think someone did mention the slits briefly. Maybe it was on social. Maybe it wasn't in the after party. But I have to admit, I've of course heard of the slits. I'm sure I have heard the slits, but I've never, I've never actively sat down and listened to a slits album. So call back or text back, 617-90666-6-3-8 and tell me where to start. Give me one, one song or preferably one record, one out. for me to start with for the slits. Appreciate the wreck and the call 812. Thank you very much. All right. Moving on to where are we going here. Let's go to Toronto, the 416.

Jake, it is Diana calling from Toronto. I just listened to the Maryland Manson episode. It was incredible. I saw them open for 9-inch nails in 96 in Toronto. It was incredible. They absolutely blew 9-inch nails out of the water. And 9-inch nails threw an amazing show that night. Yeah, they were great.

And, you know, it takes a bunch of madness to create art that good. But my interest in that artist begins and ends with how they treat people consensually. Anyway, you mentioned Al Jorgensen in that episode. Uncle Al. I would love to hear an episode on Al Jorgensen. Such an interesting person. And, yeah, thanks so much. Have a great day.

Diana, appreciate you. Great call. Thank you so much. Al Jorgensen from Ministry is definitely on our list. he has been for a long, long, long while. I know there are a zillion stories out there, but I'm interested in the sort of depravity and the crime, assuming there's some true crime to Al's past.

But I'm also just interested in that scene, that industrial scene and digging more into it. There's a, it's just so rich, and there's going to be a lot of vivid details, I'm sure, that spring from that research. So pumped to get into Uncle Al, as you say. Thanks for the call, Diana up there in Toronto. 617-906-66-66-38.

You guys want to call? Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text. 937 text in. Hey, must say it was genius that the tune used from the Melotron for the Marilyn Manson episode was Winnie Cooper broke my heart. The Wonder Years tie-in did not go unnoticed. Rocka-Rola, Bill from the 937. Bill from the 937, I got to say,

back when I was a little kid, myself and Sean Hastings, up on Birded Hill, we were crushing hard on Winnie Cooper. So obviously the Paul from Winnie Cooper rumor gave us this in. I've mentioned Winnie Cooper prior in episodes in the show. I don't know where back in the past somewhere. If someone hears it right back in, let me know. 678 writes in, hey, Jake, I think you should do a hair metal episode on whoever you dislike the most.

But seriously, I think most influential of their generation is George Michael, John Joni from the 678. Joni, thank you so much. Yikes, who do I dislike the most from the hair metal scene? That's tough. That's tough. It would probably be whoever is sort of the most, whoever has the most lack of humor about themselves. You know what I liked about poison?

Brett Michaels aside, I like that C.C., even though I hated the band, I liked that C.C. DeVille was in on the joke. You know, he kind of had this attitude. Like, I just want to play guitar, man. I don't know why they got me dressed like a fucking cue tip. You know, like he's got the white hair, the white sneakers. I think that dude was genuinely, I could be wrong,

but I think he was genuinely like into New York dolls, into Johnny Thunders, and that's kind of what he wanted to be, but he ended up in that band. And I love that sense of humor. Being able to laugh at yourself about the ridiculousness of yourself and your music. And, I mean, that goes for the great rock and roll bands. All of them are ridiculous in some love. I mean, it's fucking rock and roll.

I mean, after spinal tap, you know, the veil was lifted. We know what's happening. So, I don't know, to Joni's point here, if there are any hair metal bands that just are nodded on the joke that took themselves very seriously, hit me up, let me know. Maybe I'll dig into that. I don't know. I don't like being overly negative, but it is an interesting angle.

Jules from the 425 up in Seattle, Texan, hey, I grew up in L.A. and your show about the go-goes takes me back. I was punk back then and too young for clubs, but a friend of mine knew the doorman at the whiskey. Get to see the police when Sting was still chubby, and they were all sunburned as hell. I don't recall, but I think that night at the mask,

my friend got into a fight with the singer from the Dickies. Good times. Love your shows. Love the personal recollection here, Jules. Appreciate you. 617-9066638. You want to hit me up? 617 text saying, hey, there's no way we didn't cross paths in the pit, or at Pizzeria, Regina, or Newbury Comics, are all three back in the day in Harvard Square.

I was neither a punk or a metalhead so much as a hard rocker who was friends with both. That's kind of like what I was, really. I mean, yeah, really. It goes on to say the most memorable night was this metalhead with crazy long red hair named Kyle, who was first to get his hands on 1987's garage days re-revisited before anyone else and he unwrapped the cassette and threw it in his boombox and we all listened to it for the first time that night and we were blown away i can remember that i wasn't there but i had my own exact experience with garage days i remember it was coming we were all waiting for it down at city hall

music on high street and clinton mass i think they had the poster up before the album was even available at the store and we were just salivating wanted to hear the first taste of Metallica without Cliff Burton. Of course, Jason Neustead. What a great, great, great piece of music garage days. 87. Damn, that was a long time ago. 617-906-66-66-3-8. You guys want to hit me up on voicemail or text on anything. That's how you do it. Going to want to hear next week your answers to the question of the week regarding Bjork and our Bjork episode, which is coming up. And that's going to be, of course, is the Bjork story, the emblematic story of the most obsessed fan in music history.

Taylor Swift fans, if you're listening, you might have something to say about this, but check out that Bjork episode. Get at me. Let me know. 617-90666-6638 on the voicemail and the text machine. You can also DM me at Disgracelam Pod. Active on Instagram, active on X, active on Facebook as well. if that is your chosen form of communication, I am here for it. Justin G on Facebook writes in,

hey, poor old fatty, always getting the bum wrap. Justin's talking about our Hollywoodland episode today on Fatty Arabuck. I'll talk about that a little bit later in the episode. Christopher LaBella writes in, hey, Jake, where's Van Halem? Part 3. I can't find it. Go-Go's were great. Took me right back to 1982, 84 when I was 8 to 10 years old watching them on MTV. Christopher, There is no part three on Van Halen. I think we said all there needs to be said about Van Halen, but Christopher, if you disagree, write us back and let us know. Guys, at Disgraceland Pod on Facebook, on Instagram,

you want to hit me up and let me know anything that's on your mind. I'm around. I'm here for you. I'm here for you every single week. You know that. I don't let you down, unlike some certain sports teams I can name, but I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that in the sports, in the 30-second sports rant.

Matt, give me a little ticking clock. I know you can do it. Give it to me, give it to me, giving me. I'm just going to say right now. the fucking Red Sox. The fuck with the Red Sox, okay? This has been building, you heard it last week. It's at a point where I'm almost fully bailed on the season.

And again, it's the beginning of June. Okay? I bought my son of Mets hat the other day. I know Juan Soto's in a slump. I don't care. I need something to root for in Major League Baseball. And these Red Sox are beyond a disappointment. Okay.

That's it. That's it. That's the sports rant. I'm going to keep it light this week. I don't want to be cynical. I don't want to be negative, but they are forcing me. They are backing me into a fucking quarter.

I'll be back after this with the Hollywood Land Minute. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games. You get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield.

And in this new season of The Girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no.

I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Remember when you'd walk into your local video rental place and there were always those two employees behind the counter arguing about movies? Well, that's us. I'm Millie to Cherico. And I'm Casey O'Brien. And now we're arguing about movies on our podcast, Dear Movies I Love You, from the Exactly Right Network.

Can I say something about the Criterion Clause? Go ahead, dude. They're letting too many people in there. Okay, that's another film grape I got two. Sadly, that rental place doesn't exist anymore. It's probably a store that sells running shoes. Or an ice cream shop with an extra pee and an E at the end. So consider us your slacker movie clerks in podcast form. I would like to establish a timeline of the moment you figured out who Channing Tatum was.

Every Tuesday, we dig into the movies we can't stop obsessing over, from hidden gems to big screen favorites. New episodes drop every week on the exactly right network. Listen to Dear Movies I Love You on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, host of the Wicked Words podcast. Each week I sit down with the true crime writers behind some of the most compelling true crime stories and discuss their years spent investigating and why it still matters. He sees his father coming out of the woods with his hands over his face, and he knows something happened.

His father just grabs him and says she's gone. gone. These are the cases that leave survivors, families, and the journalists who cover them changed forever. Working in national television, it'll push you to your limits and you'll end up doing things you never thought you do. You know, you look back at it and you're like, I can't believe that really happened. Join me and step inside the investigation. New episodes drop every Monday on the exactly right network. Listen to wicked words on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back.

Thank you very much for sticking around with us. Hey, quick shout out to Disco Lainey. Lany's a long time listener of Disgraceland. She's in our Patreon chat. And she let us know, she's a proud mom moment. Let us know that her son, Brandon, congrats Brandon. Brandon is starring in their town's production

of the million dollar quartet. And Brandon is playing Johnny Cash. And I just think that is, Brandon's going to be a real cool motherfucker to play Johnny Cash. So congratulations, Brandon. As Johnny Cash said to Bob Dylan before we took the stage, I say to you, go track some mud on the carpet. All right. I mentioned Patreon. Patreon is where All Access members come to chop it up with me, get a little more conversation going. In addition to that conversation, All Access Disgraceland, All Access Members also get ad free listening of Disgraceland and Hollywood Land.

All right. We just added that feature this week. Plus, all access members get one extra exclusive episode of Disgraceland per month. Our last one was on David Crosby. I'm not sure who the one is on this month. I should know. I should be able to tell you that. Matt, maybe chime in here. Yeah, the next episode is on Shannon Hoon, the lead singer for 90s band Blind Melon. Okay. More on Hollywoodland. Listen. exciting news. All right. First of all, for those of you who are like, what the fuck is Hollywood Land? Who is this guy? Sorry, he's talking about Disgraceland. I was talking about Hollywoodland. For those of you who are new here, Hollywoodland is the other podcast that I host, which is basically just like Disgraceland, but instead of music and true crime, it's Hollywood actors, actresses, directors, et cetera, and their true crime stories. Artists like Jack Nicholson,

David Lynch, John Waters, Drew Barrymore, Marilyn Monroe, and a ton more. This week, we're talking about Roscoe, Fatty Arbuckle in the crime of the century. And guys, here's the news. We just launched our rap party bonus episodes in the Hollywoodland feed, which is me and my guy, Zeth Lundy, who has worked for and with double Elvis for years

as a showrunner and a writer and who wrote most of the Hollywoodland episodes. Rap party is Zeth hosting, and I'm in there as his co-host, and we're cutting up that week's subject. We're getting into our recommendations over there, what we're watching, what we're reading, what we're listening to, all inspired by that week's Hollywoodland episode. Okay. We're also,

also taking your calls and voicemails over in the rap party as well. So now you have a hundred percent more chance of hearing yourself in one of our podcast. Rap party episodes, they're coming out every week, every Wednesday. There's one available right now. Go check it out after this. The rap party episodes come out on Wednesdays after our full Hollywoodland episodes on Monday. If you are not subscribed or following, please search Hollywoodland. We're wherever you get your podcast, like, subscribe, and follow. Here's a clip from our most recent rap party episode. This part of the rap party is all about recommendations, music and movie recommendations, but they are recommendations inspired by the actor, actress, or director,

whoever we're covering this week in our full episode of Hollywoodland. So Faddy Arbuckle being this week's subject and looking ahead the next week's subject, John Belushi, we've got big dudes on the brain. So to that end, Jake, I need some big. big dude music wrecks what do you got john balushi made me think about blues brothers made me think about john lee hooker made me think about the song i'm obsessed with by john lee hooker called grinder man which yes which to me it's uh the sound of violence and you wouldn't know so from the lyrics the lyrics are about a baseball player but it's a double entendre for sex and it just sounds so fucking mean it was recorded for the stacks label which doesn't make a lot of sense for john lee

but somehow it all works. When it comes to movies, I was thinking about big dudes and movies, big funny dudes in movies, which is obviously a long list. John Goodman, who's been in a billion movies, I know, but my John Goodman recommendation is this movie called Barton Fink from 1991,

directed by Joel and Ethan Cohen, two of the greatest to ever do it. Barton Fink is really, it's unlike any other movie. It's strange, it's horrifying, it's funny. And if you're a creative person, if you write or you paint or you make music or whatever, it will hit you hard because it's about this playwright,

named Barton Fink, played by John Chichiro, who moves from New York to Los Angeles in 1941 in order to write scripts for Hollywood. So he's basically taking, he's going from this brainy, arty playwright to being a paid screenwriter in Hollywood to write Schlock, right? And then there's this sweaty, intense as fuck performance by John Goodman, a guy who isn't what he says he is.

And all I've got to say is that once you see this, there's this one scene with him, running down this hallway of a hotel and it's the whole thing is on fire and he's screaming, you will never be able to look at John Goodman the same way twice. All right, I've never seen that. I've never seen Barton Fink. I need to check this out. It's great. I'm going to take your recommendation. All right, guys, like I said, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Next week, we get an episode on the one and only John Belushi. So make sure, like I said, you're subscribed following however they term it in

whatever podcast app you guys use. All right, disgrace 9apod at gmail.com. You want to send me an email on any subject. All right, this email comes from a fellow by the name of Ed Trask subject, the go-go's message. The presentation of the go-go's coming out of West Coast punk rock scene layered in historic drudge and creative prowess, writing their own songs and landing into pop music. History was well done. But I love the idea that there are plenty of all-girl punk rock bands that wrote their own

songs and in their eyes succeeded in changing and influencing punk and rock bands that i toured with were watched and loved examples being l7 bikini kill lunatic chicks seven year bitch babes and toyland pussy riot bratmobile shonen knife to name a few these bands obviously never had the pop cultural impact and success of the go-goes but had plenty of stories of grit will and talent which helped them fight to become successful touring bands the question being what actually is success, especially after the Nirvana major label feeding frenzy. Were you a successful band because you had two records on labels like Discord or Touch and Go? Or were you a success when you sign a major label deal? Cheers. Ed Trask 804. Ed, the answer to your question is the latter,

sorry, the former, you were a success. So yeah, if you were on Discord records or Touch and Go and you had a couple records out and you were out there torn and planning people in different cities who were coming to see you and paying tickets to see you beyond your immediate region, of local fans. I say that's a success. I say, I say success is can you, can you fill a club, a reasonable size club in a bunch of different cities outside of your own and sustain yourself as a musician? That to me is a success. Now, of course, that's going to change for the musician as they get older and as they try to do different things and they have different goals, all that stuff, obviously. I don't think you're saying that I was saying that the go-goes were a success because

They were a major label band and had a number one record. And that's not what I was saying. They were, of course, a success. They were the biggest success with that number one album. That was my point. Number one success of all girl groups with that number one album. The bands you mentioned, a bunch of them, I actually had the opportunity to see and play with back in the 90s.

And they were phenomenal. I saw L7, played with L7 actually, bikini kill, played with the lunatic chicks a couple times. I think I played with seven-year bitch. Saw Babes in Toyland, never saw Pussy Riot or Bratmobile, saw Shonen knife, just incredible bands, incredible time in history for females in music, doing it in the punk world, in the underground. It was, I don't know, I don't know if there'll be another time like it.

Hard for me to put my finger on what made it so special here on the spot, but it's something that I want to delve into. You've compelled me, Ed Trask in the 804. I appreciate the email. Guys, if you haven't heard those bands, lunatics, Shonen Knife, seven-year bitch, babes in Toyland, et cetera, go check them out.

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And if you hear your review here on the podcast, hit me up, email, text, DM, whatever, and I'll get you a little something special in the mail because I appreciate you. And, you know, it's a necessity. The reviews, the reviews help the show grow. They help discovery. They help other people find it. They help the algorithm force it out. Ed Mesa 517 writes, the only reason I listen to podcasts, five stars. What can I say? I've been listening to the disgraceland pod since this beginning. I've turned many friends and anyone that'll listen on to this podcast. The wide variety of artists from many different genres is what makes this podcast a great listen at any time. Rocka Rolla. Ed, thank you so much,

my friend. I appreciate you. Chassity. Danette over on Spotify writes, hey, this is in relation to the Maryland Manson episode. Great episode. Saw Sober Manson perform at Welcome to Rockville last month and it was truly one of the best performances of the entire festival. So there you go. Manson is sober. Thanks for the reviews. get in touch. I'll get you got something in the mail. This episode is nearing its end, everybody, but actually it's not nearing its end for everybody. For those of you who are all access members, you're going to get a little bit more of the bonus episode here. We're going to be talking about, we were talking about the most subversive bands from the 90s. I'm going to talk about some of

the worst bands from the 90s. And again, I don't like to be negative, but I'm looking at some past rock journalism. And I'm going to bring you a list. And we're going to get into it here in the exclusive section of this after party. Worst Bands from the 90s. You guys want to become a member. You want to get in on this conversation. I want to get in on the conversation with me on the Patreon chat.

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All right, we are back. And if you weren't part of that conversation, we just had in the bonus after party section here of this episode. You missed out on some good convoy about the worst bands of the 90s. And I was throwing a heater there. I had a lather worked up. I was into it real quick here.

Let's just dig into a mention, I should say. A couple of the artists from our archive who were discussed in this episode, who we have episodes on, who you guys can go check out. And if you're interested in any of these subjects, just check the show notes. Matt Bowden will have the show and episode information there for you. So you can easily find them in our archive. We talked about Sean Diddy Combs. We've got two episodes on Sean Combs. We will have more in the future. We talked about James Brown. And again, the archive is just stuffed with so many artists, Willie Nelson, Cardi B, the Beatles. We've got nine episodes on the Beatles.

Nipsy Hustle, The Grateful Dead. It's really truly endless. So just dive in, check stuff out. Get at me if you have any questions. 617-9066-6638 voicemail and text at Disgraceland Pod on the socials. I'll get back to you with my answers on those episodes. All right. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, my other podcast, Hollywoodland is alive and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you are subscribed and following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. And check out our recent episode on Faddy Arbuckle. Right now in your disgrace land feed, our episode on Marilyn Manson. Number three, coming to tomorrow and Saturday.

Our rewind episodes on the Stones at Altamont and the Stones in Exile. Next Tuesday, our brand new episode on Bjork, more 90s madness. Bjork, Bjork, Bjork, number four, merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that is a disgrace.

All right, in honor of this week's subject, Marilyn Manson, this is me reading you, the billboard charts of number one songs for the day Manson's album, anti-crice superstar was released in forever redefined what subversion means for pop music that was on October 8th, 1996. Here you go. Number one, macarena. Los del Rio, last week, one, peak position,

one, weeks on chart, 43. Number two, I love you always, forever. Donna Lewis, last week, two, peak position, Two, weeks on charm, 17. Number three, it's all coming back to me now. Selim Dion. Last week, seven, three, peak position, three, weeks on chart, nice. Number four, twisted, key, sweat.

Last week, four, peak position, two, weeks on charm, 17. Number five, where do you go? Number six, last check, and sitting. Talking and start mixing. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. And my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do?

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