DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Suspicious Deaths, Small-Town Myths, and the Record Store That Helped Make Me

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

This week in the After Party, we’re digging up the stories they didn’t want told. Jake throws back to a formative encounter with a record store burnout who unknowingly set him on the path to Disgraceland. Jake talks AC/DC, Bon Scott, and the rock and roll myths that shaped him (and you)—and tees up a deeper dive in the bonus section into some of the most suspicious musician deaths of all time. From Elliott Smith’s stab wounds to Al Jackson Jr.’s unsolved murder, these are stories too sketchy, too unresolved, and too raw for the wide feed. If you’ve ever felt like the real stories got buried—or that culture doesn’t reflect what you care about anymore—this episode is for you. Because we don’t need CASSM to tell our stories. We’re telling them ourselves. Right here in Disgraceland. Unlock the exclusive bonus, ad-free episodes, and a deeper look at the music myths they tried to silence—at disgracelandpod.com/membership. On Tuesday, we're bringing you an episode on Motorhead, who made a big impression on Jake when he saw them in concert as a youngster. Jake wants to know: What was your first life-changing concert experience? Share your thoughts at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. To listen to an extended version of the After Party, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 186 - Donny Hathaway Episode 93 - Taylor Swift Episode 195 - The NFL and the Mafia To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode. We're talking about this week's full episode subject, part two of our Temptation story in the

Tammy Terrell saga. We're rewinding back to our David Bowie episode, previewing our upcoming story on motorhead and we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

The small town I grew up in had a typical downtown with a lot of different shops. If you needed clothes, hardware, greeting cards, groceries, whatever. you could get it downtown in one of the shops on High Street in Clinton, Massachusetts. This was before big box stores and malls, before malls were as prevalent, but definitely before big box stores. And if you didn't want to go to Boston or, God forbid, Worcester, you went, as we said, downtown to get what you needed. And if you needed something you couldn't buy in stores, you went to the bad end of High Street where Papacolus's market was located. It was a little Greek grocery, where for some reason, all the druggies hung out. About 50 feet to the left of Papps, as

Papacolus was referred to, was City Hall music. Now, this is where we went to get our records, or cassettes, to be more accurate, and to get a little bit of our music history education. Now, much later in the year 2000, when the movie High Fidelity came out, the adaptation of Nick Hornby's excellent novel of the same name starring John Cusack, about a couple of Chicago record store nerds whose musical tastes are unquestionable, but whose ethics have something to be desired, I felt, as I'm sure, a lot of the dudes who I grew up with felt like I knew those record store nerds that were in the movie, because in a way, I grew up with my own small town version, not in a way. I did. I grew up with my own small town version of the record store nerds

in high fidelity downtown at City Hall Music in Clinton Mass. The dudes who worked there were older, stoned, and they didn't care much about selling records. They did care about talking shit and demonstrating their knowledge of music history and occasionally dunking on a heavy metal curious fourth grader and inspiring him at the same time. Now, that's the grade, fourth grade that I was in, I think, I think that's the grade I was in. The first time I visited City Hall back right around the time when it opened. I was with my stepfather who wasn't much older than the dudes who worked there and he was only a little less burnt out. And that's not to say that he related to them in any way.

He didn't. In fact, I can still remember the tension between Joe, my stepdad, and the city hall guys. I was pretty sure that our visit wasn't going to end with me getting the ACDC record that I wanted, but instead with Joe, with Joe put one of those dudes in the hospital, like he nearly did that guy at the Jay Giles concert who popped my balloon with the lid end of his cigarette. But that's another story. There was no violence, just the threat of it.

made tangible by the weird mix of music snobbery in small town testosterone floating in the air. Why do you want back in black? The dude working there asked me. But what his tone really said was, what kind of asshole wants to buy that record? I'm not sure I gave the dude an answer, but I was then asked if I'd heard highway to hell and I had. Well, why didn't I want that record? I don't fucking know, man, because I'm in the fourth grade and I just heard he shook me

all night long and maybe I want to know about fast machines and keeping the motor clean. I didn't say any of that. I probably just looked at the dude with the stupid grin on my face while secretly praying that my stepdad didn't grab him by his t-shirt collar, drag him over the counter and beat the dank smell of pot off of him. But the dude then asked me, and I remember this clearly, he asked me, which ACDC singer I like best? Which singer? The fuck was this dude talking about which singer? There was only one singer. The dude who looked like he worked construction with Joe, my stepdad. Wait a minute. There was another singer in ACDC before the back in black guy.

I'll never forget how shocking this realization was to me, even at that young age. How had I, how had I not known? And hold up. The dude died? The first singer from ACDC died. Tell me more. The record store dude obliged and told me about Bond Scott and his premature death. And I'm certain he hinted at the whispers behind the mystery of Bond's death because the whole story gripped me.

I was in. Give me all the fucking rock and roll stories. Oh, 80s record store sage. The dude must have picked up on my sincere interest because now he was on the other side of the counter personally escorting me to the ACDC section. I didn't want back in black, he told me. And sure, you know better than what I want. You're older. You have a leather jacket with cut off sleeves that you wear over your denim jacket. That's two whole jackets. Well, almost. So you're absolutely the authority here. I was informed that I didn't want highway to hell either. I wanted Let There Be Rock. And hot damn, did I ever want Let There Be Rock?

Of course I want Let There Be Rock, dude. Whatever you say, given to me. At that moment, I'm convinced my stepdad was even closer to wrecking my new stoned Obi-Wan Kenobi record store dude, even more than he was before. Now, out of spite or jealousy or whatever, because I'm sure my stepdad thought that he was bringing me to the record store to bond with me. And here I am bonding with this burnout and not him. And what kind of influence was this burnout going to have on me? An inordinate amount of influence is the answer.

An ACDC-sized riff amount of influence. Nearly all the fucking influence. I basically lived at City Hall music after that. And so did a handful of my friends. It's where I first heard the new record by that guy who, quote, unquote, ripped off Jim Morrison. And that would be the cult's Ian Attsbury on the cult's debut album, Love. It's where I caught my first glimpse of Metallica without Cliff Burton when the garage. large day's EP promo poster went up on the wall at City Hall before the record was even in stock.

I'm pretty sure it's where I bought Brett Easton Ellis's Less Than Zero book, or at least where I borrowed it off of someone. And it's where I most definitely bought the soundtrack for Less than Zero. Slayer and L.L. Cool J on one album, of course, give it to me right now. City Hall Music is literally where I saw my first compact disc. But more important than all of that, City Hall Music is where I caught a whiff of my first. first rock and roll myth, the death of ACDC singer Bond Scott in the whispers of what really happened. I never figured out if Bond died the way they officially said he did in the backseat of a Renault 5 choked to death on his puke after a night of partying with the dudes from UFO, or if it was

something more nefarious, drug dealers, contract killers, frankly, I'm still trying to figure out this story decades later. I'm nearly done writing our second ACDC episode and I'm no closer to a determination on Bond's death than I was before I even started this podcast. But I'm heavily leaning toward the official cause of death on this one, despite the suspicions that have been raised. That said, after two rounds of research on the band, I still haven't done enough research around Bond's death. So maybe a third episode, I don't know. What I do know is that suspicious rock star deaths fascinate me. That was one of the questions we asked last week in light of the Tammy Terrell story that we told in this week's Temptations part two episode,

which musician's death is most suspicious to you? The details and theories around these suspicious deaths are often too controversial to talk about here in the wide feed. And I'm going to use today's exclusive bonus afterparty section to dig a little bit deeper into some of these cases, the super sketchy official narrative around the death of Elliot Smith, and the mystery surrounding the murder of Al Jackson Jr., drummer for Booker T&E, the M.G, the guy who played on all Otis Redding's hits, basically, and a bunch of other incredible music. And maybe I'll even hit on a couple other mysterious tests. Big stars, Chris Bell comes to mind,

rock and roll pioneer Bobby Fuller. I want to figure out which of these will make for great disgrace land episodes, or if in fact they're just too wild and crazy to even get into in the wide feed. Some stories are too strange, too sensitive, too unresolved for a big public forum, like the wide version of this podcast. But they still matter. And like I said, a couple of them are going to be waiting for you in today's exclusive bonus section of this after party. Go to disgraceampod.com slash membership to become an all-access member today and get this type of extra content for just five bucks a month. Less if you sign up for a year. And pro tip, okay? Don't sleep on this. A little birdie at double elvis told me that that $5 a month price, it might be going

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A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves.

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Each week, we dive head first into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities, and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything, and me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move, and he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets, starting May 7th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an act or whatever, my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance like he's about to attack me.

They're like, making karate noises. And his entire the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going, and the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. And I immediately know that I've been asleep walking. David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham.

So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over? Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Tena Monsu. Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more.

Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back. And if you don't know what's up, here's what's happening. and disgrace land this week. We just released our new episode on The Temptations. That's part two, which is really a Tammy Terrell story. Coming up next in your feed, right after this after party episode, we're rewinding to our David Bowie episode where,

if you listen closely, you'll hear me lose my mind in the e-block. And next week, we are hitting all you hell bend for leather rock or rollers with our motorhead episode, okay? But right now, you know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. And I'm hanging on the telephone getting answers to our most pressing questions from music history, like which musician died most mysteriously, most suspiciously.

What do you guys think? Who do you want to talk about? Let's hear from Ricardo in the 510. Hey, Jake. My name is Ricardo. I love your show. Thanks for everything. I've always thought that Donnie Hathaway's death was really suspicious. He was considered the other genius at Atlantic records other than Aretha. And he had history of mental health issues. And and then also going on and off his meds, I think lithium was one of them. And, yeah, he fell out of the 7th, 34 of the Hotel Essex in New York. And, yeah, there's just something that doesn't fit well with me about that. He was definitely a musical genius who found peace in his music.

And he's like my favorite singer, and he died too young. So I love to hear more about that. Take care. Thanks. Yes, Ricardo, you are right. Donnie Hathaway. Absolute genius. Some mystery around his death, but just such a tragedy, man. It's a sad story and a huge talent.

And we do have an episode on Donnie Hathaway. It's back in the archive. You can check that out. Appreciate your call, Ricardo. I hope you're doing okay, man. You sound like you're still grieving the death of Donnie Hathaway. Give us a call back anytime. 617-9066638.

goes for all y'all you want to be part of the show 6179.066638 you can chime in on our question of the week next week's question of the week as we get into the motorhead episode is a little bit different motorhead was one of the first real concerts i saw not the first i saw a handful before but motorhead was one of the first concerts where i felt uh truly in danger even though it's with my dad is motorhead and slayer in 1986 i believe at the orfium in boston and i'm I want to know from you guys, question of the week is going to be, what was the first concert you attended? That's it.

The first one that had, it doesn't have to be that the very first. It just has to be the first one that had a real impact on you. I mentioned the Jay Giles concert I was at earlier, with my stepdad nearly, nearly beat down the dude who popped in my balloon. That was Jake Giles and Zizi Top, I think, and I think it was probably about five years old, Westboro Speedway, perhaps.

I don't remember it. I don't remember it at all. but I remember that Motorhead concert very clearly. So question of the week for next week, what was your first concert that had a huge impact on you? 617-906-66-66-38 in light of our Motorhead story. Hit us up, call us, leave us a voicemail like Ricardo or send us a text. Let's check out this voicemail here from the 678.

Hey, Jake. This is Adrienne as in Rocky, Colin, from the 678. I actually just calling to leave you kind of like a recommendation. One of my favorite bands, all-time favorite bands, which I think you might already be familiar with, but if not, they're from Massachusetts, and they're around in the 90s. And they are, to me, like, top favorite, one of my favorite top favorite bands. And to me, again, they're, like, the epitome of punk rock. And they are the kings of nothing.

So if you're not familiar with them, check them out. I don't think it could be disappointed. All right. Later. Adrian, I am resisting doing my... Sylvester Stallone in person, Adrian. I'm not going to do that for you, okay? It ruins my voice.

I love the recommendations. Thank you very much. Always come at me with whatever you got. And you're going to be very surprised to hear what I'm about to tell you right now, Adrian. not only have I heard of Kings of Nothing, I was in Kings of Nothing. Okay? I was literally in the band.

Here's the story. Prior to being called Kings of Nothing, they were the Boston blackouts. Tor, Liam, Necro, myself, Justin, who I christened Justice, which he didn't like. And a couple others, I don't even remember.

It was a huge fucking guy. band. Anyways, I sang in that band and played guitar. We did two gigs, two shows. They were epic. Guy got knifed and thrown out the window of the causeway for the first show we played. The second show we played was downstairs at the Middle East, I believe, with the Shods. Great, great Boston punk band. Loll, punk band, I should say, to be more accurate. And I quit after those two shows. It was way, way too intense. That's not why I quit. I quit because I wanted to go back to school and I wanted to focus more on that and less on punk rock and rock and roll.

When I quit, Tor moved from upright base to being the front man. And they went on to have a real career. Prior to that, again, we were called the Boston Blackouts. And then they changed the name. And yeah, that's what happened. We never recorded, but we did do those two gigs. And they were, they're insane. I think there was fire involved. I'm not even joking. And again, guy gets stabbed and thrown out the window. Cosway. Chet's last call. That's what was called prior to that. So there you go. Adrian, great call. I often forget about that band. And I shouldn't because it was a real moment in my life. It was wild. I have tons of wild story, so I'm sure you do as well. All right, let's move on here. Let's go do some texts from the 919. Text in, I listen to your pod on the stagnant culture.

This is last week we talked about how culture has sort of stopped resetting every 10 years like it used to do. And I'm not going to go into the whole thing again, but if you want to listen to it, it's there for you in the last after party. And the text you hear 919 says, hey, I listen to your pod on the stagnant culture. And I thought I was just old and out of touch with the culture. Until I moved my son out of his freshman college dorm a year ago, where we were taking down Allison Chains and South Park posters when I realized my son was having the exact same college experience I did.

I attended college from 1992 to 1997, when the last relevant culture shift was happening. My daughter and I love to find good new music and have been saved by bands like Mount Joy, Backseat Lovers, and Big Something. The first time I saw Backseat Lovers Live, I said, this is their generation's Kirk Cobain. And the difference is that these great bands play in front of 2,000 people

and seem to make enough money from streaming to stay together. I like that I can watch these bands in small venues, but they won't be changing culture until music and media corporations deem it profitable to back them. And 919, you're spot on. I would add that it's kind of, yeah, I don't know if it's, I mean, part of it is they're not getting the big mainstream push that certainly Nirvana got back in the day.

But again, for all the reasons I said last week, culture and media are just so different nowadays than they were back then. And yeah, there's a corporate stranglehold that just it de-incentivizes artists to create the way that artists in the past were incentivized to create. That's part of it. There's a lot of stuff going on.

But I wanted to read that text, and I believe this guy emailed this as well. I wanted to read this because 9-19, I just, you really perfectly summed up the whole issue here. You're taking down posters from your son's dorm, and they're the same posters you had in your dorm on the same artists, same TV shows. It's wild, just wild.

All right, let's check out. Same subject, this one from the 724 who writes in, hey, I got to disagree with you, Jake. I think Swift, that'd be Taylor Swift, is changing the culture. You see the way young women are coming up and being social media managers for sports teams and pulling the teen girl longing. I think Taylor speaks to that. She's certainly changing the industry with her wrestling control from the labels and doing

what they can to limit that control. I don't think there's another person who is, but I do think Taylor is having a cultural influence, even if the culture is her harking back to the 90s, when she grew up just in my opinion. Well, I, you know, I don't entirely agree with you here. And I got to say, I'm kind of wrestling with this text and not knowing what to do with it. Like, on the one hand, I like that I'm being challenged. And I want to acknowledge that. I don't want to pretend to you guys that this is just a big chorus of approval here where I say something and you guys just parrot back. What I say, oftentimes people disagree or have different

takes. And I like that. I encourage that. I think that's great. I want to think through these things critically with you. But at the same time, I don't want to sit here and be arguing into the void when this person doesn't have a forum right now to defend their argument. But I'll just say, I don't think Taylor Swift is changing the culture. She's certainly influential when it comes to the business side of it in record sales. I don't see a lot of people beyond her sort of immediate demographic of of young women behaving any differently because of Taylor Swift. And as far as her getting her her songs back from the labels and ownership, that's not anything new.

And it really only happens to major artists, huge artists like this. Bruce Springsteen went through something very similar once he became super successful. but it's not like in Taylor's resting back control of her music that it has created a sort of watershed moment for for other artists to do so. It hasn't. She's able to do it because she's an anomaly. She's an aberration. She's bigger than anyone else. That said, you know, hit me back here, 724. I do take a lot of what you're saying here. I do think she is influential on women coming up, like you say. But I don't have. I don't entirely agree with your point. Any of y'all want to argue with me or just talk about whatever you want to talk about. 617-906-66-6638. Voicemail and text. And, of course, you can always DM me.

I might hit you back on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, at Disgraceland Pod. You can email me, disgracellandpot at gmail.com. Surefire way to get my attention and get a response immediately. Hit me up on Patreon in the chat. Don't direct message me on Patreon. Their messaging app sucks and takes forever. to load and I seldom use it. So if you have messaged me there and I haven't responded, that's why. But just publicly call me out in the chat and ask me whatever you want and I'll get

in there with you. We'll chop it up. All right. Going to chop it up with you on the other side of this break right now. Back in a flash. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games. You get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe.

On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.

And just then, we felt a plain turn in the air. so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything, and me pretending like everything was fine.

He kind of showed me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets, starting May 7th, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When, like, young people come up to me and they want to be an act or whatever,

and my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance like he's about to attack me. Like making karate noises. And his entire the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going.

And the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. I immediately know that I've been asleep walking. David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kimman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear,

not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over? Gaten Moderato from Stranger Things. Tena, Mongeau, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver. And more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, my people's, we are back. Listen, Disgraceland isn't the only place we play every week, okay? We also play over in Hollywoodland. Tons of episodes from the annex of Hollywood and true crime on your favorite actresses and actors and directors. And in addition to the fully scripted episodes that we're releasing over there that are going to feel and sound, a lot like Disgraceland episodes, just with slightly different subject matter. We also do these rap party bonus episodes, but it's not just me on the mic like it is here in the after party. It's me and Zeth Lundy, and people are loving it. We're getting a lot of great feedback. The show is growing every week. Zeth is really crushing it over there.

Zethe is more of a movie head than I am. He knows more about movie history than I do. I think he was a film school nerd. I could be wrong about that. There's a lot of mystery in Zeth's background. I don't ask. You know, things get said, and I just kind of go, hmm, okay. You know, there's some weird run-in with John Mayer from his, you know, you can ask him. I'm not going to, I'm, that's not for me. Anyhow, Matt, let's give the people a little taste of the rap party. Show those who have not yet subscribed to Hollywoodland what they're missing in addition to the full episodes. Like I said, you get these rap party episodes.

And then, guys, after you listen to this clip, I want you to go to Hollywoodland in Apple Podcasts or Spotify or IHHR or the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcast and i want you to subscribe to hollywoodland all right matt give him that clip death lundy here with jake brennan coming at you with the part of the show we call for your consideration this is where jake and i give you music and movie recommendations but the twist is that they are recommendations inspired by the subject from our full episode of hollywood land this week so look i could easily recommend three great harrison four movies right off the top of my head but like what's the point because you've all seen them.

You're just going to nod your heads and be like, yep, that's great, that's great. What I want to recommend and what I want to talk about are three great movies that Harrison Ford turned down, three great roles that he, movies he was not in. And Jake, I want to litigate with you right here in real time whether or not those movies would have been better. Okay.

With Harrison Ford in them, okay? Love this. All right. So number one, JFK, 1991, directed by Oliver Stone. So Harrison Ford was up for the role. of Jim Garrison, which of course went to Kevin Costner. What do you think about this movie with Harrison Ford as Jim Garrison? I can't stop thinking of Harrison Ford in Kevin Bacon's role.

You're a fine-looking piece of meat, Mr. Garrison. Yeah. Damn. I love Kevin Costner in this role. Yeah. It's a defining role for Kevin Costor. Agreed. I think it's his best role, actually.

I think it's better than Field of Dreams, better than the Intouchables. but Harrison Ford, wow. He would have brought a kind of like a meanness to it almost, you know, like a pissiness. Yeah. Yeah. He would have been much more cynical. I think what works for Kevin Costner is there's something so like green and awshucks about him.

You know what I mean? That I think really works as his character is sort of plunged into this world of conspiracies and stuff. And it would have been different with Harrison Ford. I think Harrison Ford would have been too cynical. and it wouldn't have, it wouldn't have scanned right, and it probably wouldn't have had the impact it had. So for that, even though I may have enjoyed Harrison Ford in it more than Kevin Costner, I think the role in the movie is better with Costner.

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Listen, speaking of today, Matt, give me the buzzer. Go ahead. The NFL season is upon us. It's coming. The season opens on September 4th with the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles hosting the Dallas Cowboys. Those of you don't know, Cowboys are my other team. Okay? I'm a Pat's fan. Always been a Cowboys fan as well. But Pat's fan first. Anyways, it doesn't matter. This also means with the start of the NFL season that in the next few weeks, I'll have two fantasy football drafts that I'll have to prepare for. And I had to say, I'm not happy about it. Who else plays fantasy football like I do? Strictly out of social fomo, okay? Who else plays out of fomo? I don't like fantasy football. I love it.

But I also hate it. I don't like playing it until I do. I don't like talking about it unless I'm on a tear that week. And I don't like thinking about it, yet here I am thinking about it and talking to you guys about it. Understand this. I'm a dude who doesn't even like looking at his phone. If it weren't for me making my living in digital media, I would be totally off the grid.

But dude, what pick am I going to get in my snake draft, all right? Fantasy football will eat you alive is what I'm saying. If you're naturally competitive like I am, it'll ruin your fall and your early winter. And I can't let my sisters beat me. And in my other league, I can't let my father-in-law think I'm an ass hat Homer who, yeah, maybe once drafted a Patriots kicker in the third round. I can't lose, man. That's what I'm saying.

Yet I couldn't give a shit either. That's the other part of this. I like the games as they were meant to be played. I don't like watching for fantasy points on Sunday. I like defense over offense. I like pounding ground games in illegal hits that were legal in every decade except for this one. But still, I play fantasy football because I'm a sucker, man. Any other suckers out there?

Who else feels like fantasy football is a blessing and a curse? I don't know. But I do know. I'll be playing this fall for what will be my 13th season in one league and fourth or fifth in the other. I can't even keep track. I started that other league. I don't even want to be in it.

but I can't not be in it. I want to be in it. I don't want to miss anything, okay? What the hell is wrong with you? Matt, how'd I do? Well, Jake, I got to say you didn't make it in under 30 seconds. But I really think we should put that aside. This week's ramp really seemed like a cry for help.

And I think we should put our focus on getting you the help that you need. So maybe we can, you know, sit down with a couple five-hour energies and talk about that after the show. Okay, buddy? I knew I went too long. I knew it. I knew it. I couldn't help myself.

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we're talking about the suspicious deaths of rock stars in the bonus section of the after party, as I mentioned earlier. I'm dipping into Elliot Smith and Al Jackson Jr., two musicians whose deaths are steeped in mystery and conflicting narratives. These are stories I wanted to tell for years, guys, but they've always felt too sketchy, too unresolved, too controversial to fully dive into in the main feed. But here's the thing. We don't need to wait for chasm or whoever the fuck else to give us the studio algorithm approved lame-ass versions of these stories. We can start digging in now because you're as interested in this stuff as I am. You're as interested in separating the noise from the truth as I am. You're obsessed like me. And so this bonus section is for

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the early discos all right all right we are back thanks for joining me on another wild ride here in the after party mentioned a ton of artists in this episode donnie hathaway taylor swift metallic uh not an artist but we mentioned that NFL story we have episodes on all of these stories and Matt is going to provide the episode notes in the show notes section of the after party for you to easily find these stories in our massive archive of over 235 episodes, full episodes. I don't even know how many we have anymore. How's that for crazy? We may have had some weird milestone we passed and I'm not even aware. We just keep making shit for you guys. So let's recap, all right? Number one, this week's full episode, The Temptations part two.

That's available for you right now. Number two, coming up next is our rewind episode on David Bowie and my freak out and a moon age daydream. Oh yeah, number three. Up next week, our episode on Motorhead number four out in Hollywoodland right now is our story on Harrison Ford number 5-617906663638 voicemail and text to get at me.

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a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records in the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, Tammy Terrell featured in this week's part two episode on The Temptations died on March 16th, 1970. Here's what America was listening to that week, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, bridge over troubled water, Simon and Garfunkel. Last week, one. position one weeks on chart six number two traveling band who'll stop the rain credence clear water revival last week two peak position two weeks on chart seven number three the rapper the jaggers last week seven number one peak position three weeks on chart seven number four rainy night in georgia rubber

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