DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode - The Band, Concert Films, and Giving Thanks

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

This week in the After Party, Jake reflects on Thanksgiving and The Last Waltz. Plus, Jake hears from you on your favorite concert films, and it turns out you really like Talking Heads!Next week, we're bringing you a story about John Lennon in the 1970s. We want to know: which Beatle had the best solo output?. Let Jake know at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 5 - Van MorrisonEpisode 185 - Talking HeadsEpisode 178 - Bob DylanTo hear an extended version of the After Party and to hear more from the DISGRACELAND community, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter) Facebook Fan Group To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the disgrace land bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's subject of the disgrace land full

episode, The Band. And we're doing so because it's Thanksgiving. And that means it's the week we celebrate the last waltz. And we're talking to you about the greatest concert films from rock and roll. history. Sean Combs was back in court this week. And of course, we are diving into your voicemails, texts, and more. And as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. My favorite thing about the last waltz, the Scorsese directed concert film depicting the final performance of the band, a subject that we're all now pretty familiar with, just because of our

rock and roll pedigrees. But also, it's the subject of this week's full episode of Disgraceland, a concert that took place on Thanksgiving, 1976. So apropos for this week. My favorite part of The Last Waltz isn't a musical moment. It's a cinematic moment. It's the opening seconds of the film. It's Rick Danko negotiating with that pool table like he's a freaking corporate litigator going in for the attack in a full courtroom. Rick is in total control. He looks as comfortable with that pool cue in that pool hall as he does on stage with his base. To me, in this moment, Rick Danco always looked like a real-life version of Robert De Niro's Johnny Boy character from Mean Streets, just a little worse for wear, a little more knowing.

And then after this, after Rick at the pool table, in comes this sort of burbling crowd noise from Bill Graham's Winterland Ballroom. and Robbie Robertson dazed with a cigarette in his mouth, walks back out onto stage to the applause. That's the next thing we see, the next thing we hear. Robbie's a little confused, confused about what, we're not sure. Where is he? What does the crowd want?

Why are they still there? It doesn't matter. Like his bandmate, Rick Danko, Robbie Robertson is beyond cool in this moment. And I know this moment well. Every rock and roller, every professional musician who's toured, knows the moment here that is being depicted on film. as a guy in a band you live for this moment. The moment when the crowd goes in on the gag with you,

requesting an encore, knowing that you're going to come back out on stage. Maybe there's a 1% chance that you won't, but still the audience can't help but give you the adulation that you deserve for scorching them for the past 90 minutes or however long your set was. So Robbie's putting it on a bit in this bit, really.

I mean, come on. He's not going to do an encore. They're making a fucking movie about, about the band and their live performance. And this whole thing is recognizable. But as a viewer, watching it, I don't care. I'm into the minor show business indulgence here. And, you know, Robbie speaks into the microphone, like he just woke up, you know,

like he's surprised to be there. He's surprised to see anybody there. He's like, oh, you guys are still here? That's what he asked the audience. Of course, they're still there. Who the hell is they going to go? They miss Thanksgiving dinner at home to be with you, Robbie Robertson. families are likely pissed off, wondering why their kids are away from home on the greatest

holiday of the year, while they're at a concert. Who was a concert on Thanksgiving anyways? I always wondered that in the back of my head. God, what did Garth, Garth Hudson tell his parents? This is a dumb shit you think about when you're young and stoned. And then, of course, after Robbie gets on stage in his sweatshirt over his collared shirt with a cool kind of fedora looking hat on in his cigarette after that. Leavon and Rick and a roadie who looks like he missed the electric mayhem tryout is behind him. They all, the three of these dudes come out now they're they're all business. Leavon is all business. Rick is just still all cool. Levin's cool too, but Rick is just fucking cool.

Rick wishes the crowd, happy Thanksgiving. And I guess Garth and Richard Manuel were already stationed at their keyboards because in the cut, in the edit, within seconds, LeVon is on the beat for Marvin Gay's, don't you do it? And in that moment as the orange Scorsese-esque movie font flashes the names of the band, the musicians from the band across the screen, you have no godly idea who Marvin Gay even isn't. anymore. Okay. The song is, I guess, kind of familiar in like the way the deja vu is familiar, right? You get a taste of what the song, but you don't care because this is now the version of the song, okay? This is so thick, this version of the song. I hate this word,

funky, but it's just funk, man. The band, incredible. They sound in this song, they sound and feel and look as great as the movie looks. It's real. It's exciting. It's soulful. And as a music fan, as a rock and roll fan, I watching this just gratitude. Okay? You're watching it and you've never been more grateful to watch anything before on television as you are right now in the moment watching the band's last waltz. Sorry, I get a little lost in that. I got pulled back into where I was when I used to watch this thing over and over. again with my friends. This is my recollection of the last Waltz. It's how I feel about it anyways.

And that's my favorite part of my favorite concert film. It's the beginning. And I don't know if it's because I don't want it to end because this ends up being the end of the band. The song wraps, the first song in the film, and the band exits stage left. Just genius filmmaking by Martin Scorsese. And the band from that moment on, in reality, if not on film, the band is no more. That's the whole point of the last waltz. It's the killing of the band. And I never got over it. I never got it, actually.

That's the better. You know, I do now. I understand now why it was the end. And I understand why people are pissed at Robbie Robertson. But come on, man. In defense of Robbie Robertson, you can't get out there every night and do something that your heart's just not into. Especially if you're afraid you're going to die if you keep doing it. But, you know, like I got, I alluded to a second ago, my friends and I, we watched the shit out of this movie.

Me, Greg Conley, Scott Janowitz. It was like we watched this movie once a week, at least. It was always on, even when we weren't watching it. It was just on in the background while we partied at Greg's house. Epic parties, by the way. But still, I mean, you just get sucked in. The performances, they're arresting. They just stop you in your tracks.

It's just, I don't know. a better word for it than arresting. It's just like, oh my God, I can't believe what I'm watching. But, you know, the dramatic side of the film, the dramatic piece of the film, which is the breakup of the band. It was confounding to me. I never, I never bought the rationale in the moment. Then I do now, like I just said, but in the moment when I was younger watching this, I never bought into why the band was breaking up. It seemed, probably because it was, the breakup anyway, seemed to be solely a Robbie Robertson thing, the need for the band to end. It kind of also seemed that Robbie needed, a plot for the movie that he was making with Scorsese. And this was the perfect,

dramatic conceit. And the other guys in the band, Richard Manuel in particular, they appear to be along for the ride with the premise of the film. Like this is, you know, the band's last performance. They're breaking up after they film this, this set at Bill Graham's ballroom, Winterland Ballroom. But you can tell their hearts aren't into it. Leave on, especially now that I think about it. They just don't seem into it. They don't seem into the rationale for breaking up. They collectively seem to, to me to be like a like a like a 1960s or 70s or 80s, like a mid-20th century politician's wife on the campaign trail, kind of shell-shocked, but along for the ride, hijacked by their husband's

ambition, the husband in this scenario, the politician being Robbie Robertson. You know, I never read Levant's book. I never read Robbie's book. I suppose I will at some point. I didn't write this episode of The Last Walt, so I didn't have to read those books. Zeth Lundy did. And he did an incredible job. writing this as Matt Bowden as well on topic. Just phenomenal job mixing this episode. Both those guys like me have deep affection for the band, but I'm grateful that I didn't have to read these books because I don't want to hate Robbie Robertson. I don't want to feel bad for Leveon Helm or Rick Danco or Richard Manuel any more than I already do or Garth, Garth Hudson. I want to remember the band

the way Martin Scorsese wanted them to be remembered, which is all up there on the screen in the last waltz. These guys are magical. They are musical giants. They are masters of their craft. They are unfuck with the bull on stage. Sadly, especially when you look at Richard and Garth, stage appeared to be the only comfort zone.

And Scorsese knew how to capture that and more. There are so many great moments in this film. Of course, moments ago, beyond the five musicians in the band, right? Okay, there's the Neil Young Coke thing, which we got into in the episode we did. Funny little detail. There's another, one of my favorite moments of all time, not just in this film, but just in music history, is Robbie Robertson smoking Eric Clapton on stage. Clapton, who's the guitar god. And Robbie just toast them. It's one of the greatest burns in rock and roll history. There's muddy waters cementing the concept of masculinity into my post-adolescent consciousness. The guy I spell M-A-N, just amazing. There's Van Morrison with his Elaine Benis kicks, one of the most badass stage exits we've ever seen.

And to bring it fully into disgraceland in 2024, in the last waltz, there's a story from Robbie, Rick, and Richard about playing one of their early gigs in Jack Ruby's club outside Dallas. And we've been doing all this Kennedy assassination stuff because last week was the anniversary of. November 22nd. Jack Ruby, of course, makes a lot of sense here. There's so much that I love about this film. So much, too much, too much to list. And for all these reasons, the last waltz is my favorite concert film. It's hard to even come up with a close second. Maybe give me shelter for kind of the opposite reasons as this, I guess. I don't really know what I mean by that, at least for the wrong reasons. I don't even know what else. Madonna's truth or dare. I'm serious. I love that, but I don't put it even close to the last waltz.

Anyways, I'm excited to hear what you guys think. That was the question of the week. What's the greatest concert film? What's your favorite concert film? Is there, though, another one? Is there a close second? Is there another concert film that demands yearly viewing, as the last waltz does on Thanksgiving? Is there another concert film that causes pilgrimages to Woodstock to try to root down into the band's lore to take that long and windy dirt road into the woods, in search of the big pink house. I don't think there is. And we're going to try to find, though. We're going to try to cope with some answers in this after party.

We're going to dig into your voicemails and your texts on concert films that maybe approach the awesomeness of the last waltz. We're also going to touch on this week's Rewind episode here, a rewind episode on David Bowie. And we're going to tee up next week's John Lennon episode. No, not those John Lennon episodes. This John Lennon episode, John in the early 70s. John the radical, not domestic John, who was shot down by Chapman. We did a two-partner on that.

We did another one fully on John's sort of politics in the early part of the 1970s. Next week is the anniversary of John's death, so we're going to be paying tribute to John all week long, just like we were kind of doing with the band this week for Thanksgiving. And next week's question of the week, when you're listening to that Lenin episode, want you guys to be thinking about just, it's an obvious one. We've talked about this before, but we didn't give it enough time as I think it deserves. when you're listening to the Lennon episode next week, be thinking about solo Beatles,

be thinking about which Beatles solo career you like the most. Is it Johns? Is it Paul's? Is it Georges? Is it Ringoes? There's a lot to dive into here. And I know you guys are passionate about it. So be thinking about that when you're listening to the John Lennon episode.

I want to hear from the George heads especially. Get at me, 617-9066638. But that's next week. All right. in this episode, got a Diddy Update as usual in the, and then in the all-access portion of this episode, I'm going to share with you my story about working with and meeting the band from back when I was a kid.

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It's Thanksgiving. It bears repeating. It needs to be said. I just, I love being able to talk to you every week. I love being able to create stuff, put it out into the world, and just get feedback from you guys on what you think about it. It is truly a gift. and I am truly grateful that you guys allow me to do this and that you're here with me along for this ride.

Some of you have been with me since the beginning, going all the way back to 2018. Can you believe that? That's when we launched Disgraceland. And we're still telling stories. We're not stopping anytime soon. We're finding new ways to bring you music, storytelling, and stories from the dark side of entertainment.

Just really grateful. All you guys who hit me up every week, Instagram, email, in the Patreon, wherever, keep doing it. Thank you. Love being along for the ride with you guys. I hope you all have an awesome Thanksgiving with your families this week. And I'm hoping you're digging this last Waltz episode. I hope you're digging as well how we've been sort of theming our programming weeks, trying to give you things in sort of bunches based on, you know, historical events, world events, whatever. It's like we've been talking about last Walt's week here in disgrace land. And, you know,

we're talking about the greatest concert films, and I don't think there's a close second. Some of you guys do. Some of you guys think there's a better concert film than The Last Waltz. And who am I to disagree? All right, 617-90666-6-6-3. We're going to get into it all right now. You can leave a voicemail, send me a text on anything. You know the question of the week for next week is going to be on the Beatles solo careers.

But for right now, like I said, let's check out Chips in the 303 on the question of the greatest concert film for music history. Yo, this is Chips from the 303, Colorful Colorado, answering your question this week about the greatest concert film of all time. I do believe it's got to be stop making sense, talking heads. A long time ago, I remember walking downstairs while my parents were making dinner. They're mid-jam of Found a Job band, and that shit really locked me in, tucked me in immediately. been into them guys since ever since you know and um yeah the iconic big suit the beautiful lamp dance with naive melody all those songs so touching and watching that shit oh chills man amazing there's no awesome behind the scenes or anything like that nothing crazy just the

concert but i do believe that's got to be a really good contender and personally that's my greatest is all time. That's my goat right there. Thanks a lot. Tootles. Chips, thanks for the call, my man. Yeah, dude, stop making sense. I love it.

It's fantastic. It's great. I understand why you're sucked into it, especially with that experience with your parents and your family. And so much of this is subjective, right? I mean, so much of my loving The Last Waltz is because of the experience I had,

watching it with my friends when I was a young adult, blew my mind. And I get it, but I can't go there with putting it above the last wall. It's not that you necessarily are, but, but, you know, that is the question. And on that question, 732 writes in, and this is, I'm interested in this one because it, uh, it reveals my ignorance. And I like when I'm hip to things, or at least I'm reminded, or at least I'm reminded of things that I should be hip to. 732 writes in, uh, hey Jake, Mark in the 732, checking you in with a great concert documentary, Prince's sign of the Times. From jumping off risers in those high-heeled boots to dancing like James Brown to a sweet version of Little Red Corvette at the piano and well, Sheila E. on drums.

It's Prince at his best. Check it out. I will check it out. I've never seen Sign of the Times. I think I was burned by Purple Rain. I don't love Purple Rain. I'm not going to lie. I mean, do you, honestly, do you really love Purple Rain? I'm not talking about the song or the record. I'm talking about the movie. I mean, seriously, do you repeat, watch Purple Rain? Prince, for all of the talent that that man possessed, was not a good actor at all.

And the story is not great either. Honestly, Morris Day might be the most interesting. Might be the most interesting part of Purple Rain. But I haven't seen Sign of the Times, and I bet it's a lot better because it's prints in his natural habitat, which is performing on stage, not acting under the stage lights. So I'm going to check that out.

I appreciate the text 732. Appreciate it reminding me a sign of the Times. 814 comes at us with, Hey, Jake, my submission for other than the last Waltz, great music concert films are Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs and Englishmen and George Harrison's concert for Bangladesh. I had them as a tie. Both were filmed extremely well with some tricky photography,

both featured Leon Russell as band leader slash musical director. Large number of band members were in both concerts. Bangladesh featured Clapton, Ringo, and Dylan, who also performed in The Last Waltz. I enjoyed the podcast as I do your others. Keep with the great work. John T. John T. From the 814, great text, man.

I have not seen either of those. Either. I guess if I'm going to ask the question, what's the greatest concert film of all time or in music history, I should at least do my homework and watch some more concerts. films but I've never seen Bangladesh and I've read about it. I've read a lot about it. And I've never seen Mad Dogs and Englishmen. I didn't even know it existed. How's that? I have the album. I guess the album is the soundtrack. Is it? I don't know. And I knew of Leon Russell's involvement with both. But I did not have not seen either. And now I will.

They all kind of seem to be of a piece, I guess, right? Those two films with the last waltz. I believe Bangladesh was, was it earlier? I don't know. I need to find out. Maybe I'll be updating my opinion on the greatest concert film. I don't know. We'll see. 904 writes in Jake. Spencer from the 904. I'm not sure if you've seen the HBO series White House Plumbers, but I think this connection should be pointed out given the Woody episode in The Tramp Theory with Woody's dad. In White House Plumbers, Woody plays E. Howard Hunt. The show is hilarious and anyone interested in Watergate should watch. Also, I love the last waltz, but the best concert film, hands down, is stop making sense.

that of course is the Talking Heads content film that Chips mentioned earlier Spencer haven't seen White House plumbers it's right up my alley I should see I should have watched it by now but I have not I think it's because I know that it's kind of comical and I'm just not ready for humor

with this subject I just want I want all the presidents men part two I know that's never coming and I don't know I should probably get over and watch this I love Woody. I really do. And that other dude who's in it, who plays the other dude. What's his name? Josh, the guy with the dogs. Who am I thinking of? Doesn't matter. Let's keep going. 617-9066668. Voicemail and text. You can also DM me at Disgraceland Pod on Instagram, on X. I even respond to Facebook every now and then. On Instagram, Chuck the podcaster writes,

Oh man, I'm so excited to walk my dog this morning, my favorite group from that era and the best concert film hands down. Chuck is of course, talking about the band and last waltz. And Chuck has great taste. It's Chuck from stuff you should know. Let's see. Who else we got here? Asta Nwick writes on Instagram. Thanks.

I'll be thinking of this lore while I'm playing this movie during Thanksgiving dinner. And I read that because how many of you, honestly, put the last waltz on every Thanksgiving? I do. I do at some point. It might be a day late. Might be a couple days before. but it's always a reminder to watch it, and I'm never let down. And I say this only because if you're not watching the last waltz on Thanksgiving,

you should be. It's a great tradition. I invite you to celebrate in it the way that a lot of us are already doing. Okay, so go ahead and check that out. Last waltz. Get on Apple. Probably get it somewhere else for free, but I own it. What can I tell you? All right, let's see. Over on the old X machine, Gemma Leighton writes, hey, I've been listening to this disgracelam pod for a while now. I'm so into it. I reckon some of you would be too. It's great music and true crime. If that's your jive, get on to it. Yeah, Gemma, I don't know you, Gemma.

I haven't seen you before. I appreciate you just pop it up an hour ago and shout into the rooftops about disgrace land. Guys, hit me up on X at Disgraceland Pod. Give us a follow. I wasn't active there for years, but I have been recently. And you can follow me there elsewhere.

I'm talking to people everywhere. I'm an equal opportunity talker, okay? at Disgracelam pod on the socials 617-90666-6-6-6-36-3-8 on the voicemail and text, disgracelam pod at gmail on email. And I will be back in the flash, read some of your emails and give you a little ditty update and talk about some other stuff in just one moment. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl.

You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And Rule 2, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me?

The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, host of the Wicked Words podcast. Each week I sit down with the true crime writers behind some of the most compelling true crime stories and discuss their years spent investigating and why it still matters. He sees his father coming out of the woods with his hands over his face, and he knows something happened. His father just grabs him and says she's gone. She's gone. These are the cases that leave survivors, families,

and the journalists who cover them changed forever. Working in national television, it'll push you to your limits, and you'll end up doing things you never thought you'd do. You know, you look back at it, and you're like, I can't believe that really happened. Join me and step inside the investigation. New episodes drop every Monday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Wicked Words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I thought we were going to get news on whether or not the judge. was granting bail to Diddy. The hearing was on Friday. It's been postponed. And there's been a couple different hearings already this week. And I think there's going to be another one today as of this recording on Wednesday that will decide this, the fate of Sean Combs and his bail. And the fact that this has not been sussed out and was not sussed out quickly in one hearing is telling. And I don't think it's good for the prosecution. So I'm not going to get into all the legal mumble. Jemmo and the drama of it here from the courtroom. It's not that dramatic, actually. You read these accounts and they make it seem like it's law and order or something, and it's not. It's a lot of

just kind of dry legal maneuvering. But there is drama in the fact that there wasn't a ruling, like I said. And there is a question of how authorities handled legal. I should put quotes around that. Legal materials, air quotes, around legal, because there's a question of how authorities handled legal. I should put quotes around legal, question of whether or not they're actually legal documents of how authorities handled did he's legal documents in his cell. So I just want to, I want to say this. I said it before and I don't think this is going to happen, but there is a slight chance that the case gets tossed completely because of this. Again, I don't think that's going to happen. But in the, you know, 10% chance that it does, I want to be on record at least having brought you that possibility. So that's what I'm doing here.

So that's going on. The other thing that's going on, is Diddy's defense is making a really good case on why he should be released. And I would say, beginning of this week, I thought there was a better than 50% chance that Diddy gets released. As of what I have read up to this point today, I would put it back at even odds that he's released on bail, on bail, not that the case is thrown out. There is another very dramatic piece of news this week related to Sean Combs' court case and a couple other sort of just kind of conspiracy, gossipy, big name things that came out, which that's what they call a tease, which I won't tease you for too long on. I'll give you that information.

But the prosecutor from the Southern District of New York, the federal prosecutor who's leading this whole thing resigned this week. now the scuttle butt there is that that has more to do with our president-elect than it has to do with Sean Combs. But still, this is the face of the investigation, and he has now resigned. This is the face of the Sean Combs investigation, and he has now resigned. What that means, I don't know, but it is worth mentioning. Now, so we're going to know, you might know by Thanksgiving when you're listening to this episode if Sean Combs got out or not. But I would say 50, 50, maybe 49, 51 that he doesn't get out.

It's close. We'll see. They're doing a walkthrough of the apartment where he will be living if he is to be released. Sorry, defense attorneys are doing that today for the judge, I believe, at the judge's request. And there's all these stipulations that they're proposing that Combs's attorneys are proposing for if he is released. Security, he won't have access to the internet. he'll be under security locking key basically won't have access to a phone except to talk to his lawyers so it seems like they're kind of making uh they're they're creating a pathway for this to happen

but again we don't know we shall see now in more interesting news uh jamie fox is making some fascinating news lately there's a lot of people like like we've we have talked about this i believe who have attended jami fox's uh taping of his Netflix special, which is coming on December 10th. And they are claiming that Jamie Fox, in the special, discloses information about Sean Combs's treatment of him, specifically, how he was drugged and how he, Jamie Fox, dropped a dime on Combs to the feds,

and that's why Diddy was arrested. Is this true? I do not know, but you have a lot of people saying the same damn thing at the same damn time and putting their credibility on the line doing so. It could be some hoax. It could be completely fake. I do not know. But this shit drops on December 10th and I'm getting my popcorn ready for that Jamie Fox special on Netflix.

And no, this isn't an ad for Netflix. This is just something that's happening in the world and I'm letting you guys know about it because it is music and true crime. Now, the other final thing here on Diddy, and then I'm going to move on. LeBron James was at a L.A. Rams game in his skybox. And the dude, a couple rows in front of him, was just harassing him brutally about LeBron's alleged involvement at the Diddy parties. And just, you know, if you want a quick laugh, if you know, if you know fan of LeBron, go on the old internet and search that up. You won't be let down.

All right, let's do some emails. I'm a little floored at the amount of incoming. emails that we received on the Kennedy assassination. And very little, actually, on concert films. It's rare that the previous subject just keeps going and going and going and going. But that's the case. And there's a lot to get into. You guys love sharing this.

You love sharing your conspiracy theories. And I get it. It's fascinating. I'm trying to keep it here to our corner of the street. And I'm going to read this one from Grayson Schmidt, which is very, very, short, very concise. Grayson goes on to say, hey, nice job talking about Bush and JFK. 1,000% he was involved or had knowledge of the hit. This is some good stuff about him. And then Grayson gives this article, which I'm going to invite you all to check out,

called Idaho Observer Deathbed Confessions Photos Support Claims that George H.W. Bush, and then, you know, you can go check out the rest. I'm not going to read the whole thing. Just Idaho Observer, deathbed confessions. Search that up. Now, on the issue of conspiracy, this is a hell that I'm going to wage this battle on. There's clearly interest here, okay? You guys are clearly interested in talking about this stuff, and I'm interested in talking about it.

And I want to find a way to talk about it. There's no room to talk about it here. There's not just conspiracies as they relate to John F. Kennedy, which is the big enchilada, that's the Super Bowl like we talked about. We talked about this last week where there's, yesterday's conspiracy is today's fact. And there should be a way for us to talk about this that doesn't require tinfoil hats.

Because there are a lot of conspiracies that are connected to a lot of the musicians that we're talking about as well. And I don't mean talking about them, though, in a way that's like, we believe this. It's just objectively, you can be talking about it in a way, it's like, isn't this shit nuts

that people actually believe the earth is flat? Well, flat earthers are fucking, fascinating to me. Not that I want to go down that road, but as those types of conspiracies apply to the subjects that we are discussing weekly, I think is worth getting into. And I'm clearly getting the indication from you guys that you think it's worth it as well. The problem is this episode's already, these episodes here, the after-party episodes are already too long. So I don't know where the hell we're going to do it on social media, on Zoom. I don't know. We'll figure it out. we'll find a way to do it because when you guys talk, I'm trying to listen here and give you case and point.

I think I might have mentioned this last week. I'm fascinated with this theory. Now, you guys, the Britney Murphy episode of Disgraceland is one of the most listened to episodes of 2024. And we can't figure out why. It's not like Brittany Murphy is a beloved musician. Like this upcoming rewind episode, the one you're going to hear, next interview tomorrow is on David Bowie. David Bowie occupies rare air in music history with music fans. He's like Prince, who I mentioned before. He's weird and wonderful and he's beloved. People love

him and they love him in a different way than they love Bob Dylan. They love him in a different way. Then they love Mick Jagger. They love him in a different way that they love Michael Jackson. It's just different. Bowie and Prince are beloved. Brittany Murphy? What the fuck? Why is the Britney Murphy episode, I think it's going to be the most downloaded new episode of ours from 2004, but why? And I think it has something to do with the conspiracy around her death or the thinking around her death, the unsolved mystery of her death, I should say. But to my point, there's a Britney Murphy connection to Sean Combs. And this is how it always happens with me with conspiracies. I see something on the internet and I go, no fucking wait. And I don't pay attention

to it. Then I see it again. And I go, hmm, then I see it. a third time and I click on it. Then I see it a fourth time and I'm stuck in the fucking wormhole four hours later reading about it. The Britney Murphy connection through Ashton Coucher to Sean Combs and Kim Porter is really, really interesting and worth getting into. But it's like a 45-minute conversation, 45 minutes that we don't yet have that we're going to have to try to figure out how to have. That's what I'm getting at. And, you know, the JFK thing I think is teaching me that based on your emails from this week. I'm not going to read all the emails. Again, we would just be here going through conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy but anyhow that's where my thinking's at i'm going off on a

wild tangent here uh but i did get to the point that i wanted to make here uh about boi boi's coming up in the rewind episode of disgrace language is going to hit your feed next check that out it's a very weird episode it's one of the weirdest i think i've ever written i was reading a lot about fourth way at the time and i was reading a lot about death and you know the way that bowie treated his death as almost almost as an art project. It really spoke to me in this deep, deep, deep way. I wrote it in the middle of the lockdown as well, the pandemic. I think that had something to do with the craziness of it. It goes pretty nuts there at the end. And I welcome to you to buy a ticket and come along for the ride with me on it one more time. All right, check that out. It's coming your way. It's coming

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